Did Prime T-Mac have the most unguardable jumper?

[jack612blue]

Sure he missed alot of shots, but there was no way you could challenge the shot.

-6'8"
-Long wingspan
-Rises up over you like nothing


Even Shane Battier couldn't stick a hand in his face like he could to Kobe.

[PieceOfFelt]

Great talent, but didn't have the work ethic to be a true great.

- Felt

[bdreason]

His jumper was ridiculous. Not only was he 6'8", with long arms, and a high release... but he also had great elevation. He also covered a ton of ground with his step-back jumper.

[SyRyanYang]

Great talent, but didn't have the work ethic to be a true great.

- Felt
Is this guy seriously dumb or just another alt account/troll?
First you gave the most uncreative opinion of all time that is complete irrelevant to the thread. Then you pulled a smak wannabe signature. Really?:facepalm

[LosScandalous]

KD's ball release point is defiantly higher than tmacs but nobody is ****ing with his jumper either

[SyRyanYang]

KD's release point is defiantly higher than tmacs but nobody is ****ing with his jumper either

You wanna bet?

[LosScandalous]

You wanna bet?

yeah

[PieceOfFelt]

KD's release point is defiantly higher than tmacs but nobody is ****ing with his jumper either

KD is a better defender, distributor and has a much better NBA body. The thing with McGrady was his lack of dedication in the offseason. Everybody always brings up his injuries and this was the reason. The man never worked his ass off in the off season like Kobe or KG or Duncan.

- Felt

[SyRyanYang]

yeah

It's hard to prove but my money's on Tmac

[LosScandalous]

KD is a better defender, distributor and has a much better NBA body. The thing with McGrady was his lack of dedication in the offseason. Everybody always brings up his injuries and this was the reason. The man never worked his ass off in the off season like Kobe or KG or Duncan.

- Felt

i hope your a troll :facepalm

[PieceOfFelt]

It's hard to prove but my money's on Tmac

KD is taller, with longer arms and his vertical is at least as good.

- Felt

[unbreakable]

kds release is nowhere near as high as tmacs WTF u smoking?

[TrueRob]

Sure he missed alot of shots, but there was no way you could challenge the shot.

-6'8"
-Long wingspan
-Rises up over you like nothing


Even Shane Battier couldn't stick a hand in his face like he could to Kobe.

Yeah, T-Mac's jumper was amazing. Prime KG had a pretty insane jumper as well. No one could bother his shot back in the day.

[PieceOfFelt]

i hope your a troll :facepalm

When did McGrady become such a god in people's minds? Terrific player but he had some deficiencies and Durant is a revamped version of him.

- Felt

[TrueRob]

When did McGrady become such a god in people's minds? Terrific player but he had some deficiencies and Durant is a revamped version of him.

- Felt

Durant doesn't have the dominant iso skills of prime T-Mac. Durant is basically a super-sized version of prime Ray Allen.

[PieceOfFelt]

A view McGrady similarly to Barkley. Incredible talents who got by on natural ability but didn't necessarily put the work in to get better.

- Felt

[PieceOfFelt]

Durant doesn't have the dominant iso skills of prime T-Mac. Durant is basically a super-sized version of prime Ray Allen.

Durant is the superior shooter and is even more unstoppable going to the basket.

- Felt

[Element]

Felt are you retarded?

Durant is a turnover machine and relies on off-ball play much moreso than other wing superstats to get his points. He's more of a god-level Ray Allen in terms of scoring. His efficiency is also greatly boosted by the phantom calls he gets all the time, resulting in less missed FGA and more FTM. Him trying to facilitate usually ends up in like 8 ast/5 TO games, while Tmac AVERAGED 7ast/3TO and had much better court vision (it's not even close). Orlando Tmac was also a more explosive scorer, while Durant is more consistent. And athletically, it's not even close. Pre-injury Tracy McGrady had the fluidity and body control of Kobe, the vertical of Vince, a ridiculous wingspan, Jordan-esque hands and was as quick as they come.

He's NOTHING like Tmac except that he scores a ton of points and is a long ass motherfcker.

[PieceOfFelt]

Felt are you retarded?

Durant is a turnover machine and relies on off-ball play much moreso than other wing superstats to get his points. He's more of a god-level Ray Allen in terms of scoring. His efficiency is also greatly boosted by the phantom calls he gets all the time, resulting in less missed FGA and more FTM. Him trying to facilitate usually ends up in like 8 ast/5 TO games, while Tmac AVERAGED 7ast/3TO and had much better court vision (it's not even close). Orlando Tmac was also a more explosive scorer, while Durant is more consistent. And athletically, it's not even close. Pre-injury Tracy McGrady had the fluidity and body control of Kobe, the vertical of Vince, a ridiculous wingspan, Jordan-esque hands and was as quick as they come.

He's NOTHING like Tmac except that he scores a ton of points and is a long ass motherfcker.

They're both silky smooth and have very high releases. Durant at 6'10", McGrady at 6'8". They're tall guards who are adept at shooting and driving.

- Felt

[SyRyanYang]

This felt guy is apparently retarded 11th grade. Stop feeding him you morons:facepalm

[Element]

KD silky smooth? I feel bad for you, have you missed the early-mid 2000's? Do you even Carmelo?

KD's jumper is as close to robot as it gets. Stiff and mechanical. Quick and sharp release, no fluidity.

And all scorers are adept a driving and shooting. That's like saying "well Shaq is pretty much a taller and bigger Charles Barkley. Both were sort of fat and adept at backing down and scoring"

[PieceOfFelt]

This felt guy is apparently retarded 11th grade. Stop feeding him you morons:facepalm

It's a difference of opinions, no need to get nasty.

- Felt

[MMM]

dirk???
kg???

[PieceOfFelt]

dirk???
kg???

I would agree with KG. 7 footer with that vertical, no one is blocking that.

- Felt

[coin24]

This felt guy is apparently retarded 11th grade. Stop feeding him you morons:facepalm

This. He's not even close to being a funny troll. Just a loser with too much time on his hands..:lol :facepalm

[MiguelSanchez]

Most unstoppable jumper would be Dirk.

[raprap]

05-08 Kobe and Dirk for me. Never saw Larry Bird and Michael play live so.

[Electric Slide]

Dirk and then Durant.

[raprap]

Also Melo's J this season. :bowdown:

[AngelEyes]

There are dozens of players who have unguardable jumpers. There's no way to quantify whose is the most unguardable.

[SyRyanYang]

There are dozens of players who have unguardable jumpers. There's no way to quantify whose is the most unguardable.

dozens? Really?
No way to quantify? How about shooting percentage.

[AngelEyes]

dozens? Really?
No way to quantify? How about shooting percentage.

All time? Yes. Wilt, Jordan, Kobe, Durant, McGrady, Kareem, Walton, Durant and several others have basically unguardable shots. Dozens is hyperbole but there are many. By "unguardable", based on the op's description of T-Mac, I was assuming he was talking about unblockable shots. If that's the case all the players I listed above have shots which were essentially unblockable.

[jcsrplumply]

In his prime days, I think so.

And stick to the question guys.

[AngelEyes]

In his prime days, I think so.

And stick to the question guys.

His shot was definitely unguardable, perhaps the most unguardable for his era. People compare Durant to Gervin but I always thought McGrady was an appropriate comparison. He was too tall, too athletic, too skilled, and too long to be guarded. Absolutely unstoppable in his prime.

[AngelEyes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zweBwcQCWqA

Here is McGrady at his absolute apex. Nothing you can do about him. His ball handling is ridiculous as well. Miss these days.

[TrueRob]

I've always been impressed with players who can shoot jumpshots (especially 3-pointers) with a tall defender right in their face. That was something T-Mac was able to do, it's an elite ability to have.

[SyRyanYang]

All time? Yes. Wilt, Jordan, Kobe, Durant, McGrady, Kareem, Walton, Durant and several others have basically unguardable shots. Dozens is hyperbole but there are many. By "unguardable", based on the op's description of T-Mac, I was assuming he was talking about unblockable shots. If that's the case all the players I listed above have shots which were essentially unblockable.

Which part of "jumper" you don't understand?
English you speak?

[AngelEyes]

Which part of "jumper" you don't understand?
English you speak?

I understood it perfectly well you little prick. They all have unblockable, unguardable jumpers, Wilt, Kareem and Walton included. Hard to say whose was the most unguardable, shit for brains.

[SyRyanYang]

I understood it perfectly well you little prick. They all have unblockable, unguardable jumpers, Wilt, Kareem and Walton included. Hard to say whose was the most unguardable, shit for brains.

Wilt didn't have a unguardable jumper. He had a nice turn-around banker which was unblockable at the time but it wasn't too accurate, hence disqualified for "unguardable". Kareem's unguardable shot is his sky-hook which isn't a jumper. Don't get me started with Walton.

[AngelEyes]

Wilt didn't have a unguardable jumper. He had a nice turn-around banker which was unblockable at the time but it wasn't too accurate, hence disqualified for "unguardable". Kareem's unguardable shot is his sky-hook which isn't a jumper. Don't get me started with Walton.

Walton was absolutely unguardable. He had a terrific jumper and was a legit 7 footer. No one was stopping him or blocking his shots. McAdoo's shot was also unguardable, no one in the NBA could deal with that dude. You can throw in Elvin Hayes with his turnaround. Jordan's mid range in the early 90's was the most unguardable I've seen. He'd use that shot all game and no one could do a ****ing thing about it. He had a game against the Nuggets in 92' where he got 50 and almost exclusively uses the mid range jumper.

[SyRyanYang]

Walton was absolutely unguardable. He had a terrific jumper and was a legit 7 footer. No one was stopping him or blocking his shots. McAdoo's shot was also unguardable, no one in the NBA could deal with that dude. You can throw in Elvin Hayes with his turnaround. Jordan's mid range in the early 90's was the most unguardable I've seen. He'd use that shot all game and no one could do a ****ing thing about it. He had a game against the Nuggets in 92' where he got 50 and almost exclusively uses the mid range jumper.

Walton had a terrific jumper FOR a 7 footer. He was unguardable because he was so versatile, he had so many moves and was a all-time great passer, not because his jumper.
I'm gonna be honest with you I haven't watched too much of McAdoo nor Hayes.
100% agree with Jordan. One doesn't become THE GOAT is he's guardable.

[deja vu]

Prime McGrady was a beast. I can't forget his 13 in 30 game. That was one of the sickest individual scoring outbursts I've ever seen. :bowdown:

Though I think his former teammate Yao has a more unguardable jumper. :lol

[BoNafidde]

KG is the only person I have seen consistently guard his jump shot.

[Mr Exlax]

Sure he missed alot of shots, but there was no way you could challenge the shot.

-6'8"
-Long wingspan
-Rises up over you like nothing


Even Shane Battier couldn't stick a hand in his face like he could to Kobe.

You had to see it in person bro. It always looked like the defenders were sorta/kinda close to contesting it. Seeing it live from the floor level was insane. It looked unfair. It was effortless.

[code green]

I'd also give the nod to Dirk. KG, McGrady, Hakeem, and Durant would round put my top 5 off the top of my head.

[Clifton]

Tmac's jumper was the only thing that made him guardable. His shot selection was awful.

With his ballhandling, quickness, and passing, he could have been a way better Pippen than even Pippen was. Instead, all he ever really managed to be was a taller Kobe without the winning.

[Element]

A taller Kobe? How so, if the only thing Tmac was better at was his facilitating (and that's a minimal advantage at best, considering Kobe played within the triangle). Scoring-wise, his best season (03) was worse than Kobe's 2 best seasons (06 and 07 when he got healthy) and otherwise he only really has one other season (04) where he was close to scoring as well as 01-10 Kobe.

Don't even get me started on defense or intangibles. If people thought Kobe in 2010 was massively overrated defensively (only great stretch being the 10 playoffs) I'm guessing they don't even want to hear the tales of post 05 Tmac...

[steve franchise]

Tmac's jumper was the only thing that made him guardable. His shot selection was awful.

With his ballhandling, quickness, and passing, he could have been a way better Pippen than even Pippen was. Instead, all he ever really managed to be was a taller Kobe without the winning.

You read my mind. His shot selection was his biggest weakness.

[steve franchise]

A taller Kobe? How so, if the only thing Tmac was better at was his facilitating (and that's a minimal advantage at best, considering Kobe played within the triangle). Scoring-wise, his best season (03) was worse than Kobe's 2 best seasons (06 and 07 when he got healthy) and otherwise he only really has one other season (04) where he was close to scoring as well as 01-10 Kobe.

Don't even get me started on defense or intangibles. If people thought Kobe in 2010 was massively overrated defensively (only great stretch being the 10 playoffs) I'm guessing they don't even want to hear the tales of post 05 Tmac...

How many all defensive teams did post 05 T-Mac make? How many all defensive teams has Kobe made in recent years?

No one ever said Houston T-Mac was a great defender. Why are you even bringing it up? lol

[pauk]

Not even close.

[Jolokia]

I thought Dirk already has that title?

[Nuff Said]

Melo?:confusedshrug:

[ProfessorMurder]

Alex English.

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