Does Lebron really deserve the MVP this year?

[TheReal Kendall]

I don't know if this thread has been done already but sorry if it has. I'm taking anything away from Lebron cause the guy has really been balling this season. The thing is that his team is so much better than all the other teams. The Heat are really stacked. If you take Lebron off of the Heat they will still win the East. I just feel like the MVP should be given to a person on a winning team that if you take them off that team they wouldn't have a winning record and wouldn't make the playoffs imo. I feel like Lebron isn't that important to the Heat. Again I'm not trying to take anything away from Lebron. This is all my opinion and how I view the MVP award.

[LongLiveTheKing]

I don't know if this thread has been done already but sorry if it has. I'm taking anything away from Lebron cause the guy has really been balling this season. The thing is that his team is so much better than all the other teams. The Heat are really stacked. If you take Lebron off of the Heat they will still win the East. I just feel like the MVP should be given to a person on a winning team that if you take them off that team they wouldn't have a winning record and wouldn't make the playoffs imo. I feel like Lebron isn't that important to the Heat. Again I'm not trying to take anything away from Lebron. This is all my opinion and how I view the MVP award.
So basically nobody should be MVP.


Heat are championship favorites because they have LeBron.

[DatAsh]

Without a doubt, and more-so than the almost all the previous MVPs in recent years.

[Mr Exlax]

He's not just the best player on the best team. He's the best player on the best team leading them in damn near every catagory. It's not good to me, but that's why he's the clear cut MVP to me.

[All Net]

yes and it isn't even close...

[arifgokcen]

If you are gonna question this years MVP pick,i really dont know who in history deserved it.




I feel like Lebron isn't that important to the Heat.
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[DMAVS41]

April 2013

[RoundMoundOfReb]

elevating a good team to a potentially historic team >>> elevating a mediocre team to a good team

[Ancient Legend]

Well he's only the best player on a 65 win team, and with insane stats.

- 27 game win streak (with couple of game winners by LeBron)
- Swept the Thunder, Spurs & Nuggets (& Lakers).
- Averaged 6 consecutive games of 30 pts 60% fg
- He controls the flow of games like no one else, except maybe Chris Paul.
- The most versatile (maybe not best) defender.
- His assists totals not-withstanding, his passing skills are insane.

[WayOfWade]

Does LeBron James deserve MVP this year?
Harder question, is the sky blue?

[Kingwillball]

Does the Pope Pray ?

[daj0264]

No. KD deserves it.

[EnoughSaid]

LeBron James is just on a completely different level from everyone else. Yes, he deserves it. If you think he doesn't, then I don't know how you can make a case for anyone else.

[BlackVVaves]

I don't know if this thread has been done already but sorry if it has. I'm taking anything away from Lebron cause the guy has really been balling this season. The thing is that his team is so much better than all the other teams. The Heat are really stacked. If you take Lebron off of the Heat they will still win the East. I just feel like the MVP should be given to a person on a winning team that if you take them off that team they wouldn't have a winning record and wouldn't make the playoffs imo. I feel like Lebron isn't that important to the Heat. Again I'm not trying to take anything away from Lebron. This is all my opinion and how I view the MVP award.

What's up with you April 2013 posters?

Is Lebron the best player in the league?

Who do you think should be MVP over Lebron, Harden? Kobe? John Wall?

Do you see how stupid your argument sounds once you ask yourself to compare those players who fit your criteria to Lebron?

Answer this too, was MJ underserving of HIS MVPs? After all, the Bulls made the playoffs both years he was out (were on the verge of making the playoffs without him in 1995).

Do you see how incredibly stupid your premise is?

[arifgokcen]

What's up with you April 2013 posters?

Is Lebron the best player in the league?

Who do you think should be MVP over Lebron, Harden? Kobe? John Wall?

Do you see how stupid your argument sounds once you ask yourself to compare those players who fit your criteria to Lebron?

Answer this too, was MJ underserving of HIS MVPs? After all, the Bulls made the playoffs both years he was out (were on the verge of making the playoffs without him in 1995).

Do you see how incredibly stupid your premise is?

Indeed i was gonna say the same thing.Whats up with these new posters.

I am guessing they are second or third accounts of somebody we know.

[BlackVVaves]

April 2013

They (most of them) are making resident trolls around here sound like competent contributors. :facepalm

You know what's funny? Didn't one of the April 2013 posters in one of his first posts indicate that we should "beware the upcoming wave of posters," because they had already flooded ESPN and trolled the **** out of their forums, and that they were setting their eyes on ISH?

What type of apocalyptic, zombie crap is this, I thought. Go figure, that Nostradamus kid was right :facepalm

[DaSeba5]

Yes and it's not close

[willds09]

yea he dont deserve it, look at his team:facepalm

[Kurosawa0]

Most deserving season since Shaq in 2000 or MJ in 1992.

[BlackVVaves]

Most deserving season since Shaq in 2001 or MJ in 1992.

Pretty sure you mean Shaq in 2000?

[willds09]

Most deserving season since Shaq in 2001 or MJ in 1992.
:roll:

[Kurosawa0]

Pretty sure you mean Shaq in 2000?

Yes absolutely. Changed it

[mrpibb]

yea he dont deserve it, look at his team:facepalm

Have you always been such a shitty poster? Do any of your 3,000 posts have any substance whatsoever?

[TheReal Kendall]

So basically nobody should be MVP.


Heat are championship favorites because they have LeBron.

Like I said the Heat would be favorites to win without Lebron

[LongLiveTheKing]

Like I said the Heat would be favorites to win without Lebron
For in the East depending on Wade's health but they wouldn't be favorite tow in the title without Lebron.

[TheReal Kendall]

LeBron James is just on a completely different level from everyone else. Yes, he deserves it. If you think he doesn't, then I don't know how you can make a case for anyone else.

I'm not saying he hasn't been playing his butt off but he's on a stacked team. I don't feel like he deserves it more than other players that don't have 2 other superstars

[EnoughSaid]

I'm not saying he hasn't been playing his butt off but he's on a stacked team. I don't feel like he deserves it more than other players that don't have 2 other superstars

The MVP should go to the best player on the best team as long as his contributions are MONUMENTAL. And that sums up LeBreezy.

[che guevara]

This logic that Lebron's team is too good without him is so stupid. As other posters have pointed out, MJ didn't deserve the '91, '92, or '96 MVPs by this logic. Bird never deserved one (played with McHale, Parish, DJ, etc.), and certainly not Magic before 1990, or Moses Malone in '83, or Kareem in '80, etc.

If Lebron's team is really THAT stacked, and yet somehow he's so freaking good he STILL leads this super stacked team in points, rebounds, assists, and FG%, how could he possibly NOT be MVP?

[EnoughSaid]

So this is going to be his 4th. At this rate LeBron can win 2-3 more. :lol

[TheReal Kendall]

What's up with you April 2013 posters?

Is Lebron the best player in the league?

Who do you think should be MVP over Lebron, Harden? Kobe? John Wall?

Do you see how stupid your argument sounds once you ask yourself to compare those players who fit your criteria to Lebron?

Answer this too, was MJ underserving of HIS MVPs? After all, the Bulls made the playoffs both years he was out (were on the verge of making the playoffs without him in 1995).

Do you see how incredibly stupid your premise is?


Huh? Mj didn't have 2 other superstars and potential starters coming off the bench. It's hard to say who should be MVP but I just feel like the Heat are stacked and without Lebron they would still be favored to win it all and have 60+ wins. Why do people get so heated over an opinion? Every question you asked me can be debated. This MVP thing can be debated also so it's really not stupid.

[che guevara]

Huh? Mj didn't have 2 other superstars and potential starters coming off the bench. It's hard to say who should be MVP but I just feel like the Heat are stacked and without Lebron they would still be favored to win it all and have 60+ wins. Why do people get so heated over an opinion? Every question you asked me can be debated. This MVP thing can be debated also so it's really not stupid.
:oldlol: They would win 60+ without Lebron, even though the last 2 years they won 57 and 58 (adjusting to an 82 game season)? Is that what you're saying? It's not a coincidence that the major improvement this season coincided with a big jump from Lebron.

And prime Pippen and Grant are nothing to sneeze at, at all. They won 55 games without Jordan. If you consider Bosh a superstar, then Pippen was easily one.

[TheReal Kendall]

For in the East depending on Wade's health but they wouldn't be favorite tow in the title without Lebron.

Why wouldn't they? Look at the team and how they play. The only thing that would hinder them would be Wade's health

[Nash]

If you are gonna question this years MVP pick,i really dont know who in history deserved it.




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Wait, so does that mean that the "super duper stacked" Heat is -5 when Lebron is on the bench?

Guess there goes that argument.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Huh? Mj didn't have 2 other superstars and potential starters coming off the bench. It's hard to say who should be MVP but I just feel like the Heat are stacked and without Lebron they would still be favored to win it all and have 60+ wins. Why do people get so heated over an opinion? Every question you asked me can be debated. This MVP thing can be debated also so it's really not stupid.
They would not win 60+ games.

[TheReal Kendall]

They (most of them) are making resident trolls around here sound like competent contributors. :facepalm

You know what's funny? Didn't one of the April 2013 posters in one of his first posts indicate that we should "beware the upcoming wave of posters," because they had already flooded ESPN and trolled the **** out of their forums, and that they were setting their eyes on ISH?

What type of apocalyptic, zombie crap is this, I thought. Go figure, that Nostradamus kid was right :facepalm

I'm not trolling. This is a basketball forum where we discuss basketball. Not everybody has the same opinion or views things as you do. You want everyone to follow the masses and be sheep and believe everything espn and first take tell them?

[Nash]

I'm not trolling. This is a basketball forum where we discuss basketball. Not everybody has the same opinion or views things as you do. You want everyone to follow the masses and be sheep and believe everything espn and first take tell them?
Some things don't need to be discussed. If Lebron is the MVP or not is one of them.

[coin24]

Huh? Mj didn't have 2 other superstars and potential starters coming off the bench. It's hard to say who should be MVP but I just feel like the Heat are stacked and without Lebron they would still be favored to win it all and have 60+ wins. Why do people get so heated over an opinion? Every question you asked me can be debated. This MVP thing can be debated also so it's really not stupid.


Obviously bron is going to win it this year, even though he has been beasting I agree with the argument. You take Lebron off that team and they win 60 games still. I thought that was the criteria, most valuable to your teams success, not best player in the league or best stats etc..

Take away melo, westbrook etc and those teams are garbage.

[Jolokia]

He deserves it more than last year and that is saying a lot.

[TheReal Kendall]

:oldlol: They would win 60+ without Lebron, even though the last 2 years they won 57 and 58 (adjusting to an 82 game season)? Is that what you're saying? It's not a coincidence that the major improvement this season coincided with a big jump from Lebron.

And prime Pippen and Grant are nothing to sneeze at, at all. They won 55 games without Jordan. If you consider Bosh a superstar, then Pippen was easily one.

2 superstars > 1 superstar

[tazb]

His 30+ pts on 60%+ shooting clinched it. Plus 2-0 against the second best player in the league.

[TheReal Kendall]

Wait, so does that mean that the "super duper stacked" Heat is -5 when Lebron is on the bench?

Guess there goes that argument.

Get outta here with that. Stats don't tell the game

[tazb]

If you are gonna question this years MVP pick,i really dont know who in history deserved it.




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+4.3 with Durant off the court. :roll:

[TheReal Kendall]

Some things don't need to be discussed. If Lebron is the MVP or not is one of them.

Why it's not? All these retarded threads that people most just praising a or hating a guy and you say a legit MVP discussion can't be debated :coleman:

[Bandito]

I'm not saying he hasn't been playing his butt off but he's on a stacked team. I don't feel like he deserves it more than other players that don't have 2 other superstars
Dude don't bother. I don't think you're a troll but if you make threads like these you're going to get crucified by the Lebron's lovers.

In my opinion, I see your point. But you have to see, he's been playing like he wants to be the MVP, even better than 08 and last year's version (by a lil bit mind you but still noticeable). If he wins it he deserves it in my book.

[EnoughSaid]

If you are gonna question this years MVP pick,i really dont know who in history deserved it.




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It's crazy how Wade and LeBron have the biggest impact out of all of them. :bowdown:

[TheReal Kendall]

Obviously bron is going to win it this year, even though he has been beasting I agree with the argument. You take Lebron off that team and they win 60 games still. I thought that was the criteria, most valuable to your teams success, not best player in the league or best stats etc..

Take away melo, westbrook etc and those teams are garbage.

Exactly! :applause: Finally somebody gets it!

[#number6ix#]

It's no way miami would be a 60 win team without lebron, we wouldn't be bottom feeders but not a 60 win team... Plus the addition burden on wade would add even more wear and tear on his body

[LeBird]

Although the Heat have arguably the best team...their team is built in a way that is too reliant on Lebron. That's why those stats favour him so much. If they didn't have Lebron, they could manoeuvre to make that team better-rounded and it'd get better results.

All that said, that is what makes a team - a superstar. Lebron deserves his MVP, clearly

[diamenz]

i don't like the neanderthal, but he more than deserves it.

[che guevara]

Exactly! :applause: Finally somebody gets it!
You really substantiated your argument with facts and evidence there, it was worth the read. Totally convincing.

[TheReal Kendall]

Dude don't bother. I don't think you're a troll but if you make threads like these you're going to get crucified by the Lebron's lovers.

In my opinion, I see your point. But you have to see, he's been playing like he wants to be the MVP, even better than 08 and last year's version (by a lil bit mind you but still noticeable). If he wins it he deserves it in my book.

I mean people acting like I said he been playing like trash. If he win oh well :confusedshrug: Heck it don't matter to me. All I'm saying is that I feel like the MVP means that if you take x player off of x team the team wouldn't be contenders. That's all. I don't care bout MJ, Kobe, Shaq, etc. That's the past. I'm talking bout this season and this team

[All Net]

Kendall might be best to let the thread die to save face.

[daj0264]

It's no way miami would be a 60 win team without lebron, we wouldn't be bottom feeders but not a 60 win team... Plus the addition burden on wade would add even more wear and tear on his body

miami wouold win more than they have if they replaced lebron with durant. okc would barely make it to the playoffs wiht lebron instead of durant.

[Fudge]

miami wouold win more than they have if they replaced lebron with durant. okc would barely make it to the playoffs wiht lebron instead of durant.
I'm a Thunder fan but :biggums: :wtf:

We'd EASILY be championship favorites.

[TheReal Kendall]

It's no way miami would be a 60 win team without lebron, we wouldn't be bottom feeders but not a 60 win team... Plus the addition burden on wade would add even more wear and tear on his body

:biggums:

Geez! Are you serious? Do you watch them play? Are you a true fan of the Heat? Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers, Lewis, Birdman, Miller, and haslem you telling me they can't win 60+ games and come out the East with this roster? You act like Wade and Bosh has never lead a team. Wade won a championship alone basically.

[imdaman99]

heat win 58-60 games without him, and 65+ with him.
i dont think they play as dominating against the west without him

[Bandito]

I mean people acting like I said he been playing like trash. If he win oh well :confusedshrug: Heck it don't matter to me. All I'm saying is that I feel like the MVP means that if you take x player off of x team the team wouldn't be contenders. That's all. I don't care bout MJ, Kobe, Shaq, etc. That's the past. I'm talking bout this season and this team
I know what you're saying and it makes complete sense. But from a statistics POV he's been dominating and from a basketball POV he's been dominating. So that's pretty much the reason he might win it and deservedly so. Even though his team is stacked doesn't take from him being the best.

[TheReal Kendall]

Although the Heat have arguably the best team...their team is built in a way that is too reliant on Lebron. That's why those stats favour him so much. If they didn't have Lebron, they could manoeuvre to make that team better-rounded and it'd get better results.

All that said, that is what makes a team - a superstar. Lebron deserves his MVP, clearly

:oldlol: Lebron and Wade are almost the same. Only difference is Lebron height. Wade can do everything Lebron can. Like I said Take Lebron off the team and the Heat still come out the East.

[TylerOO]

April 2013
this

[Bandito]

:biggums:

Geez! Are you serious? Do you watch them play? Are you a true fan of the Heat? Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers, Lewis, Birdman, Miller, and haslem you telling me they can't win 60+ games and come out the East with this roster? You act like Wade and Bosh has never lead a team. Wade won a championship alone basically.
Again Lebron lovers such as him only see what they want to see. Please do you stans think Wade won't come back to his 25+ 5+ 5+ stats and Bosh won't be the 25 9 player they were before? Puhlease...

[TheReal Kendall]

Kendall might be best to let the thread die to save face.

:roll: I'm going down with the ship!

[BlackVVaves]

Huh? Mj didn't have 2 other superstars and potential starters coming off the bench. It's hard to say who should be MVP but I just feel like the Heat are stacked and without Lebron they would still be favored to win it all and have 60+ wins. Why do people get so heated over an opinion? Every question you asked me can be debated. This MVP thing can be debated also so it's really not stupid.

What's more important to you, the status of a player as a "superstar," or the production a player provides?

Why does it matter that Wade and Bosh are perceived "superstars" when comparing to Pippen and Armstrong? Is not one of them a HoFer? Did Armstrong not make the All Star team in 94 in Jordan's absence? Did they not come 5 games close to having a 60 game season? Did they not get to the Eastern Semis without Jordan?

Maybe you're not a troll, I haven't determined that yet. But, your logic is flawed. The Bulls in 1994 had the same number of All Stars on their team without Jordan as the Heat would without Lebron this year. So, did Jordan not deserve the MVPs he was awarded?

[TheReal Kendall]

I'm a Thunder fan but :biggums: :wtf:

We'd EASILY be championship favorites.

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Lebron and westbrook wouldn't be able to coexist

[#number6ix#]

:biggums:

Geez! Are you serious? Do you watch them play? Are you a true fan of the Heat? Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Chalmers, Lewis, Birdman, Miller, and haslem you telling me they can't win 60+ games and come out the East with this roster? You act like Wade and Bosh has never lead a team. Wade won a championship alone basically.
Yes I'm a true fan I'm not delusional we have a very solid team but without lebron we would not win 60 games without him, but enough with the hypotheticals we have Lebron we won 60+ games with him leading the team no need for make believe... he's the MVP deal with it as best you can:cheers:

[daj0264]

:roll:

Lebron and westbrook wouldn't be able to coexist


exctly you think he takes shots of durant, lebron wouldnt even take 5 fgas a game

[TheReal Kendall]

I know what you're saying and it makes complete sense. But from a statistics POV he's been dominating and from a basketball POV he's been dominating. So that's pretty much the reason he might win it and deservedly so. Even though his team is stacked doesn't take from him being the best.

He has been balling. From a basketball pov his team stacked. I know he gonna win it.

[selrahc]

no

[#number6ix#]

:roll:

Lebron and westbrook wouldn't be able to coexist
:coleman:
That's hearsay... I've never heard one report about lebron being difficult to play with or coach

[daj0264]

:coleman:
That's hearsay... I've never heard one report about lebron being difficult to play with or coach


durant cant take the ball off westbrook and lebron is alot weaker than durant so he would barely take a shot. probably have to be 6th man

[TheReal Kendall]

What's more important to you, the status of a player as a "superstar," or the production a player provides?

Why does it matter that Wade and Bosh are perceived "superstars" when comparing to Pippen and Armstrong? Is not one of them a HoFer? Did Armstrong not make the All Star team in 94 in Jordan's absence? Did they not come 5 games close to having a 60 game season? Did they not get to the Eastern Semis without Jordan?

Maybe you're not a troll, I haven't determined that yet. But, your logic is flawed. The Bulls in 1994 had the same number of All Stars on their team without Jordan as the Heat would without Lebron this year. So, did Jordan not deserve the MVPs he was awarded?

Wade and Bosh had their on team and put up numbers. Their game suffers now. Grant isn't better than Bosh. So my logic isn't flawed you're just overrated Grant to make it seem so

[TheReal Kendall]

Yes I'm a true fan I'm not delusional we have a very solid team but without lebron we would not win 60 games without him, but enough with the hypotheticals we have Lebron we won 60+ games with him leading the team no need for make believe... he's the MVP deal with it as best you can:cheers:

:oldlol:

I've already dealt with it. I knew he would be mvp when the season begun. Frankly I don't care. Life goes on :D

[#number6ix#]

durant cant take the ball off westbrook and lebron is alot weaker than durant so he would barely take a shot. probably have to be 6th man
Whatever helps you sleep at night... Westbrooks constant chucking is durants problem not lebrons

[TheReal Kendall]

:coleman:
That's hearsay... I've never heard one report about lebron being difficult to play with or coach

:lol It's not Lebron that's difficult to play with it's Goatbrook. His only friend his the ball and he doesn't like sharing.

[#number6ix#]

:oldlol:

I've already dealt with it. I knew he would be mvp when the season begun. Frankly I don't care. Life goes on :D
Yes life does go on:cheers:

[#number6ix#]

:lol It's not Lebron that's difficult to play with it's Goatbrook. His only friend his the ball and he doesn't like sharing.
:applause: You're right about that... I like his intensity on the court tho and him and lebron and ibaka on same team would be a hell of a defensive unit

[daj0264]

:applause: You're right about that... I like his intensity on the court tho and him and lebron and ibaka on same team would be a hell of a defensive unit


lebron dont paly defense

[D.J.]

This year is the one he deserves the most. '09 is the only one I feel someone deserved more than him.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Lebron doesn't deserve MVP in fact, if it weren't for Wade and bosh he wouldn't be having such a great season. Lebron is truly overrated but Lebrick dickriders can't see it so what he puts up like 2 more assist and rebounds than some other MVP candidates, that doesn't mean shit. People gotta stop ******ging Lebron, the true MVP this season is Kobe but then again, lebron is the poster boy of the NBA so of course he's gonna win it.

[Orlando Magic]

Yes, he does deserve it. He's going to deserve it next year too.

Here, I'll sum this up folks really quickly...

If there isn't a single player in the league that people wouldn't trade in order to get you, you are the MVP.

That "you" is LeBron James.

There is not a single solitary player that a team wouldn't give up for LeBron in a heartbeat. Regardless of position. MVP.

[TheReal Kendall]

lebron dont paly defense

:roll: He really don't.

[TheReal Kendall]

Lebron doesn't deserve MVP in fact, if it weren't for Wade and bosh he wouldn't be having such a great season. Lebron is truly overrated but Lebrick dickriders can't see it so what he puts up like 2 more assist and rebounds than some other MVP candidates, that doesn't mean shit. People gotta stop ******ging Lebron, the true MVP this season is Kobe but then again, lebron is the poster boy of the NBA so of course he's gonna win it.


:roll: You was doing so good until you mentioned Kobe :facepalm

[#number6ix#]

lebron dont paly defense
ISH already has enough trolls try being original and post some quality comments:pimp:

[daj0264]

ISH already has enough trolls try being original and post some quality comments:pimp:


he dont though its just the media trying to make another mj. picking lebron was stupid though beacuse mj played both sides of the court

[#number6ix#]

he dont though its just the media trying to make another mj. picking lebron was stupid though beacuse mj played both sides of the court
I'm not gonna act like he's the best defender in the league... He's a average on ball defender but his help defense is elite

[BlackVVaves]

Wade and Bosh had their on team and put up numbers. Their game suffers now. Grant isn't better than Bosh. So my logic isn't flawed you're just overrated Grant to make it seem so

Please pinpoint where I mentioned Horace Grant in my post.

I'll wait.

[TheReal Kendall]

I'm not gonna act like he's the best defender in the league... He's a average on ball defender but his help defense is elite


The Jet ate his lunch in the finals

[#number6ix#]

The Jet ate his lunch in the finals
True but the mavs ate everybody's lunch during their championship run... Greedy mother****as:rant

[BlackVVaves]

You know the validity of your posts is porous when only trolls and stans of other players are agreeing with you.

[TheReal Kendall]

Please pinpoint where I mentioned Horace Grant in my post.

I'll wait.

My bad you said Armstrong but he isn't better than Wade or Bosh so you would have been better off mentioning Grant

[TheReal Kendall]

You know the validity of your posts is porous when only trolls and stans of other players are agreeing with you.

:no:

[ripthekik]

He doesn't deserve it.

Basically any player, if you replace them with lebron, and they have better stats than wade and bosh, they are mvp.

It's simple as that, because the heat are so stacked. Lebron's mvp is basically given by wade and bosh.

[wfb]

Troll thread.

If Lebron doesn't deserve the MVP nobody in the NBA should get it.

[LongLiveTheKing]

He doesn't deserve it.

Basically any player, if you replace them with lebron, and they have better stats than wade and bosh, they are mvp.

It's simple as that, because the heat are so stacked. Lebron's mvp is basically given by wade and bosh.
Replace Kobe with any other player with Prime Shaq and they still 3-peat or even win more. :oldlol:

[Fox]

Of course he deserves it. He's the best player in the league and raised the game of his teammates. A true competitor that has been the main catalyst for the Heat's 66 wins.

Only idiotic Kobetards and other LeBron haters think otherwise.

[TheReal Kendall]

Troll thread.

If Lebron doesn't deserve the MVP nobody in the NBA should get it.

:facepalm

Stop with this "troll" crap! People think everybody is a troll because they don't agree with the masses.

[leMVP]

no, neither is jordan, wilt, kareem, russel, bird and others

[TheReal Kendall]

Of course he deserves it. He's the best player in the league and raised the game of his teammates. A true competitor that has been the main catalyst for the Heat's 66 wins.

Only idiotic Kobetards and other LeBron haters think otherwise.

:facepalm :roll:

I'm neither of these things you named.Who's game did he raise? He's a true competitor but quit on the Cavs and couldn't produce in the finals against the Mavs.

[Fox]

:facepalm :roll:

I'm neither of these things you named.Who's game did he raise? He's a true competitor but quit on the Cavs and couldn't produce in the finals against the Mavs.Yeah, because this year's LeBron is not different from the version on the Cavs and the one against Dallas. He's clearly the same now :facepalm If you can't see and admit what everyone else sees and admits, which is that he's the best player in the league and creates so much for his teammates being the main catalyst, then that makes you look stupid. LeBron hater confirmed.

[wfb]

:facepalm

Stop with this "troll" crap! People think everybody is a troll because they don't agree with the masses.

So you're a contrarian who lacks attention. Its not enough that this topic has been discussed ad nauseam you just have to make another thread to feed your narcissistic need for attention? Ok.

[TheReal Kendall]

Yeah, because this year's LeBron is not different. If you can't see and admit what everyone else sees and admits, which is that he's the best player in the league and creates so much for his teammates, then that makes you look stupid. LeBron hater confirmed.

:facepalm You obviously didn't read the other posts. I've already stated that he's been playing better but I feel as though he is on a stacked team. If you take Lebron off the heat they will still be favored to win the championship and be a 60+ team with their roster. That is all.:rolleyes:

[TheReal Kendall]

So you're a contrarian who lacks attention. Its not enough that this topic has been discussed ad nauseam you just have to make another thread to feed your narcissistic need for attention? Ok.

:roll: Lacks attention? No. I just have a brain and I can think for myself. I didn't make another thread about this. I just stated that I'm tired of people saying troll. It's the equivalent of people saying swag all the time. Like it's some type of hipster stuff.

[che guevara]

:facepalm

Stop with this "troll" crap! People think everybody is a troll because they don't agree with the masses.
No, people are calling you a troll because you haven't provided a single shred of evidence for any of your opinions. All you've done is make ridiculous assertions, like saying the Heat would win 60+ without Lebron, and then done absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. If you truly aren't a troll, you better start backing up your opinions, because so far all of your posts have been garbage.

[Fox]

:facepalm You obviously didn't read the other posts. I've already stated that he's been playing better but I feel as though he is on a stacked team. If you take Lebron off the heat they will still be favored to win the championship and be a 60+ team with their roster. That is all.:rolleyes::facepalm
I did, but the thing you dont get is that the MVP is not really the MVP, it's a best play in the League. It's the basketball version of Balon d'Or (soccer). It's often given to the player on the best team who ALSO has the stats to back it up. Not the most valuable. Your whole premise is wrong. Get it now?

[ripthekik]

:facepalm You obviously didn't read the other posts. I've already stated that he's been playing better but I feel as though he is on a stacked team. If you take Lebron off the heat they will still be favored to win the championship and be a 60+ team with their roster. That is all.:rolleyes:
:applause: true.

[Fox]

:applause: true.:facepalm another one who doesn't get it.

[wfb]

:roll: Lacks attention? No. I just have a brain and I can think for myself. I didn't make another thread about this. I just stated that I'm tired of people saying troll. It's the equivalent of people saying swag all the time. Like it's some type of hipster stuff.

Are you sure? Because all the arguments you stated in this thread, I've read a thousand times in the same forum. If you're going to start a thread how about posting something original? That way this doesn't feel like deja vu, groundhog day & redundant all rolled into one.

[pauk]

No he doesnt.... he doesnt deserve anything... replace Lebron with ANYBODY and they will be Best Player/FMVP/Champion/MVP/DPOY and average 30-10-10..... most overrated player in NFL/NHL/MLB/NBA/ChampionsLeague/CricketLeague/CPL/NCAA/FIBA/D-League history

[ripthekik]

Are you sure? Because all the arguments you stated in this thread, I've read a thousand times in the same forum. If you're going to start a thread how about posting something original? That way this doesn't feel like deja vu, groundhog day & redundant all rolled into one.
Don't you think it's posted over a thousand times for some reason? And maybe you're the one who doesn't get it? :rolleyes:

[inclinerator]

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[pauk]

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[BlackVVaves]

My bad you said Armstrong but he isn't better than Wade or Bosh so you would have been better off mentioning Grant

I'm not sure if you are purposely missing my points or are just that dense, but the emphasis is on the fact that those two players (Pippen and Armstrong) led a Jordan-less team to the playoffs, and were named All Stars based on their productivity, not reputation as stars.

You keep dealing in hypotheticals (Miami would win 60 games without Lebron), yet refuse to address a reality that actually occurred (the best player in the league leaves team, team still wins 55 games, boasts two All Stars, get to second round of playoffs).

So again, Kendall, for the third time, did Michael Jordan not deserve his MVPs?

[pauk]

I'm not sure if you are purposely missing my points or are just that dense, but the emphasis is on the fact that those two players (Pippen and Armstrong) led a Jordan-less team to the playoffs, and were named All Stars based on their productivity, not reputation as stars.

You keep dealing in hypotheticals (Miami would win 60 games without Lebron), yet refuse to address a reality that actually occurred (the best player in the league leaves team, team still wins 55 games, boasts two All Stars, get to second round of playoffs).

So again, Kendall, for the third time, did Michael Jordan not deserve his MVPs?

No he didnt, Jordan sux to, Steve Kerr should had it, he bailed out Jordans choking nature

its fun to sound like ripthekik lol

[TheReal Kendall]

:facepalm
I did, but the thing you dont get is that the MVP is not really the MVP, it's a best play in the League. It's the basketball version of Balon d'Or (soccer). It's often given to the player on the best team who ALSO has the stats to back it up. Not the most valuable. Your whole premise is wrong. Get it now?

F soccer! The MVP is the Most Valuable Player. Meaning the team can't survive without that player.

[TheReal Kendall]

No, people are calling you a troll because you haven't provided a single shred of evidence for any of your opinions. All you've done is make ridiculous assertions, like saying the Heat would win 60+ without Lebron, and then done absolutely nothing to back up your opinion. If you truly aren't a troll, you better start backing up your opinions, because so far all of your posts have been garbage.

Dude I've already stated that Wade won a championship alone and Bosh was the man on his team before joining them. You really gonna argue that the Heat without Lebron can't win 60+ games? I bet if I said take Wade off the team you would think they would win 70+ games. You act as though the Heat are trash without Lebron. This isn't the Lebron Cavs we are talking about here. Being that this is a basketball forum you would think people would have enough knowledge of the game to see that the Heat would win 60+ without Lebron. I shouldn't have to have stats. Heck the Heat have been winning lately without the big 3. The proof is in the pudding!:oldlol:

[TheMan]

LBJ deserves it but let's be honest, the league is the weakest it's been since I started watching in the mid to late 80s...

[TheReal Kendall]

Are you sure? Because all the arguments you stated in this thread, I've read a thousand times in the same forum. If you're going to start a thread how about posting something original? That way this doesn't feel like deja vu, groundhog day & redundant all rolled into one.

Are you serious? 95% of the stuff on this forum have been said before. I see the same threads over and over. Why even post in here if its the same stuff? The title is pretty straight forward.:facepalm

[peejay89]

Not only the MVP of the nba, but he's the best player in the world.
And I'm a bulls fan so no bias here.

Just because you can post threads doesn't mean you should.

[che guevara]

Dude I've already stated that Wade won a championship alone and Bosh was the man on his team before joining them.
Yeah, no shit. This is completely meaningless - can you explain why the Heat the last 2 seasons only won 57 and 58 games WITH Lebron/Wade/Bosh? Is it mere coincidence that their first 60+ season happened to be the year Lebron made a huge improvement?


You really gonna argue that the Heat without Lebron can't win 60+ games? I bet if I said take Wade off the team you would think they would win 70+ games.
What the ****? So apparently I think the Heat are better without Wade?


You act as though the Heat are trash without Lebron. This isn't the Lebron Cavs we are talking about here. Being that this is a basketball forum you would think people would have enough knowledge of the game to see that the Heat would win 60+ without Lebron. I shouldn't have to have stats. Heck the Heat have been winning lately without the big 3. The proof is in the pudding!:oldlol:
:oldlol: So thinking the Heat wouldn't win 60 games without Lebron means I think they're trash? You're an idiot.

You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence, other than "LOL they have Wade and Bosh, they'd win 60 without Lebron". And yes, they've been beating lottery teams without the big 3 lately. Incredible.


F soccer! The MVP is the Most Valuable Player. Meaning the team can't survive without that player.
So you're saying MJ didn't deserve any of his MVPs in the 90s?

[Sumter15]

Don't you think it's posted over a thousand times for some reason? And maybe you're the one who doesn't get it? :rolleyes:

999 of them are by you. You gonna act like the majority don't think he deserves it? You ever think that you're the one who doesn't get it?

[wfb]

Are you serious? 95% of the stuff on this forum have been said before. I see the same threads over and over. Why even post in here if its the same stuff? The title is pretty straight forward.:facepalm

Since your name is new I thought I would read something original, don't worry I would not be reading any of your future threads since it would only contains rehash of everything posted in this forum.

[TheReal Kendall]

I'm not sure if you are purposely missing my points or are just that dense, but the emphasis is on the fact that those two players (Pippen and Armstrong) led a Jordan-less team to the playoffs, and were named All Stars based on their productivity, not reputation as stars.

You keep dealing in hypotheticals (Miami would win 60 games without Lebron), yet refuse to address a reality that actually occurred (the best player in the league leaves team, team still wins 55 games, boasts two All Stars, get to second round of playoffs).

So again, Kendall, for the third time, did Michael Jordan not deserve his MVPs?

Dude I already stated that I give no f***s about the past. I also stated that Jordan didn't play with two other players that had their own team. Did Armstrong have his own team? No. Was he the man on his own team? No. Armstrong is not better than Wade or Bosh. They are superstars. There is a difference in superstars and allstars. To answer your question I don't think Mj deserved it.

[Fox]

F soccer! The MVP is the Most Valuable Player. Meaning the team can't survive without that player.Wrong again. Your premise is wrong, thus your argument doesn't hold up. MVP is not given to the most Valuable, but the best player. It's the same as the Balon d'Or. Deal with it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LBJ deserves it but let's be honest, the league is the weakest it's been since I started watching in the mid to late 80s...
1999 - 2007 takes the cake as the weakest.

2008 - now has actually been pretty strong, to be honest.

[pauk]

F soccer! The MVP is the Most Valuable Player. Meaning the team can't survive without that player.

Nope, MVP is the player who does the most for his team, whos presence translate to most team success.....

If Lebrons team is so good he wouldnt need to drop 27-8-7 @ 57-41-75 in order for his team to have the best record in the NBA or keep the 27 game winning streak alive..... hell, only a small hint of Lebron underperforming this season in some games like in those last second gamewinning shots (3), gametying shots (1, which was a win in OT thanks to Lebrons 13 pts there) and gamewinning assists (3) he was accountable for this season would result in 7 losses without Lebrons presence or him failing there and no winning streak record.... only that would result all of the sudden in OKC having the best record in the NBA right now and Durant probably getting the MVP instead... and now you are asking for Lebron to not play, entire season....

[wfb]

Don't you think it's posted over a thousand times for some reason? And maybe you're the one who doesn't get it? :rolleyes:

You kept on repeating it because you thought you might change the minds of other posters here, sorry it would take a better poster than you or the thread starter to do that.

[TheReal Kendall]

Since your name is new I thought I would read something original, don't worry I would not be reading any of your future threads since it would only contains rehash of everything posted in this forum.

:cry: I'm only on here when I'm at work so I could careless.

[Sumter15]

I don't really get the argument for MVP being "the person who does the most for his team". I mean, I do, I just don't agree completely. Not that it shouldn't be taken into the equation, but MVP isn't simply "Most Valuable Player for Their Team." It's simply "Most Valuable Player." And I'd say being the best player is a good part of being valuable to the league...

[TheReal Kendall]

:roll: :roll:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s2wOeb0Z5lM/TsnTn7gzreI/AAAAAAAAFvI/pfcNp0ihSqI/s787/bday-24.jpg
Yo! I'm done! He's the greatest ever! Y'all win!:hammerhead: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[TheMan]

1999 - 2007 takes the cake as the weakest.

2008 - now has actually been pretty strong, to be honest.
1999 -2007 features prime Shaq, KG, Duncan, Iverson, Kobe, Wade, Dirk etc

2008 to especially recently has most of those players I mentioned either declining or hurt. Once you get past KD, pickings get very slim. This is not a slight on LBJ but if you stuck him in the 6 year span between 86-92, he wouldn't be racking up the MVPs if he were going up against prime Bird, Magic, MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, DRobinson, Malone, Ewing etc.

It's not LBJ's fault but he's racking up MVPs in a weak era relative to other eras.

[BlackVVaves]

Dude I already stated that I give no f***s about the past. I also stated that Jordan didn't play with two other players that had their own team. Did Armstrong have his own team? No. Was he the man on his own team? No. Armstrong is not better than Wade or Bosh. They are superstars. There is a difference in superstars and allstars. To answer your question I don't think Mj deserved it.

That's all I needed to know about your thought processes.

And by the way, I agree that the Heat are stacked to the brim, and that they and Lebron greatly benefit from it. He has shooters surrounding him at all times, slashers, defenders. Miami is a complete team sans a traditional big man to get you points in the paint, rebound, and block shots. However, not only does Birdman do a well enough job, but Lebron plays enough in the post to compensate for a lack of a big man posted on the block.

So, I'm not refuting Miami is stacked. They certainly are. But, Lebron is still the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. And the MVP should go to the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE.

Now. If you want to argue that it always hasn't, I would be on your side. The MVP has too often swayed from consistency. The award should only be given to that year's best player. If it always had been, then Shaq would have 3 MVPS. Kobe would have 2, maybe 3 MVPs. Nash would only have 1, Dwight would have 1. And that's just recent history, because going back, Jordan (who you think didn't deserve all five MVPs) should have 7-9 MVPs.

The award should given to a player independent of extracurricular season story lines, or anything of the like. Just because it hasn't always, doesn't mean that trend should continue. Lebron has been lucky because in the seasons he's been the best player in the league, the media rewarded him. Other great players have been unfortunately robbed of that honor in the past. Hopefully, the pundits will allow Bron to help strengthen their criteria on who should be the season's MVP: only, ONLY, the best individual player in the league.

[red1]

mvp is honestly a no-brainer this year

[Lebron23]

4x NBA MVP. Best player on the best team in the NBA.

[UnbiasedGuy]

That's all I needed to know about your thought processes.

And by the way, I agree that the Heat are stacked to the brim, and that they and Lebron greatly benefit from it. He has shooters surrounding him at all times, slashers, defenders. Miami is a complete team sans a traditional big man to get you points in the paint, rebound, and block shots. However, not only does Birdman do a well enough job, but Lebron plays enough in the post to compensate for a lack of a big man posted on the block.

So, I'm not refuting Miami is stacked. They certainly are. But, Lebron is still the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. And the MVP should go to the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE.

Now. If you want to argue that it always hasn't, I would be on your side. The MVP has too often swayed from consistency. The award should only be given to that year's best player. If it always had been, then Shaq would have 3 MVPS. Kobe would have 2, maybe 3 MVPs. Nash would only have 1, Dwight would have 1. And that's just recent history, because going back, Jordan (who you think didn't deserve all five MVPs) should have 7-9 MVPs.

The award should given to a player independent of extracurricular season story lines, or anything of the like. Just because it hasn't always, doesn't mean that trend should continue. Lebron has been lucky because in the seasons he's been the best player in the league, the media rewarded him. Other great players have been unfortunately robbed of that honor in the past. Hopefully, the pundits will allow Bron to help strengthen their criteria on who should be the season's MVP: only, ONLY, the best individual player in the league.
:applause: :cheers:

[lpublic_enemyl]

who are we kidding, if he doesn't win it i'll be shocked:cheers:

[LikeABosh]

Lebron is the best player on the best team, the best player overall, makes most statistical impact. He deserves the MVP and will win it. Deal with it

[alleykat]

If its not given to him, then u have to question the credibility of the NBA...
Should be an easy choice. Not complicated this year at all

[NumberSix]

Looks at OP's location....... Alabama.

[CAstill]

At this time and moment and the way the season has concluded
Lebron does deserve the MVP.

[Breezy]

There are no definitive criteria for MVP. "Value" is to subjective a word. If it were It would be more like the scoring title. A hard number that no one can argue with.

Accept no other definitions of the MVP than this one.

MVP = An amalgamation of several people's opinions into one non descript award.

That said... Are you crazy? Lebron has lapped the field. He is head and shoulders above everybody else.

[longtime lurker]

OP you are correct in your point but tell me who's been playing better than Lebron? Who's been playing better than the Heat? Sure the Heat would still win 60 games without him but he's more than earned the MVP. Stats check, team record check, record setting streak check. Until someone can show a more deserving MVP than Lebron it absolutely belongs to him.

[d.bball.guy]

Steve Blake does

[Crafty]

You could asked this last year when the Heat weren't even the best in the East.
But this year?
27 game winning streak, the 2nd largest in the history.
Won every game against Spurs, OKC and Denver (top 3 in the West)
Won at least once agains every team in the league ...
Leads the team in points, rebounds, assiste and FG(i think).
Best player on the best team, clinched HCA trough the playoffs almost 2 weeks ago.
MVP, and it's not even close

[knicksman]

if you consider the true meaning of mvp then he doesnt but we all knew how the stupid the media is..

duncan= 4 rings for 2 mvp
shaq= 4 for 1 mvp
nash=0 ring for 2 mvp
lebron= 0.5 ring for 3 mvps

[knicksman]

Of course he deserves it. He's the best player in the league and raised the game of his teammates. A true competitor that has been the main catalyst for the Heat's 66 wins.

Only idiotic Kobetards and other LeBron haters think otherwise.


Lmao at competitor, no competitor would ever join his rivals.

[TaLvsCuaL]

undoubtedly

[Bigsmoke]

:facepalm You obviously didn't read the other posts. I've already stated that he's been playing better but I feel as though he is on a stacked team. If you take Lebron off the heat they will still be favored to win the championship and be a 60+ team with their roster. That is all.:rolleyes:

you're WAY to simple minded to see the fact.

The heat without Lebron= the Heat shooters wouldn't be as wide open and Wade will have to play more minutes even with his advanced age.

u can say "well, they would use the money to get other players instead" not knowing the fact that some of these players took less money to join the Heat because they want to play with LeBron. The Heat has been a team with crappy players build around Wade for 3 or 4 years pior LeBron joining the Heat so what made u think the Heat can add more pieces that would improve them to be a title continder?

[RagaZ]

Im not that impressed by his season.

He doesnt have many of those "Wow"-performances.

[Bigsmoke]

if you consider the true meaning of mvp then he doesnt but we all knew how the stupid the media is..

duncan= 4 rings for 2 mvp
shaq= 4 for 1 mvp
nash=0 ring for 2 mvp
lebron= 0.5 ring for 3 mvps


so Duncan's 50 game season in 1999 counted as 1 ring for him but LeBron only gets a half of ring for playing in a 66 game season :rolleyes:

[2swift4u]

if you consider the true meaning of mvp then he doesnt but we all knew how the stupid the media is..

duncan= 4 rings for 2 mvp
shaq= 4 for 1 mvp
nash=0 ring for 2 mvp
lebron= 0.5 ring for 3 mvps

:facepalm

[knicksman]

so Duncan's 50 game season in 1999 counted as 1 ring for him but LeBron only gets a half of ring for playing in a 66 game season :rolleyes:


im treating lebrons ring as equal to kobe during shaqs years coz wade and bosh>>>>>>shaq dumbass

[raprap]

if you consider the true meaning of mvp then he doesnt but we all knew how the stupid the media is..

duncan= 4 rings for 2 mvp
shaq= 4 for 1 mvp
nash=0 ring for 2 mvp
lebron= 0.5 ring for 3 mvps
Your mom is a whore.

[Bigsmoke]

im treating lebrons ring as equal to kobe during shaqs years coz wade and bosh>>>>>>shaq dumbass

u are very confusing....

I noticed that u gave Duncan full credit in 1999 even tho it was a 50 game season and not give LeBron the same respect when he even played more games in his championship run.

what does Kobe have to do with anything?

LeBron actually won the MVP and Finals MVP with Wade and Bosh... Kobe didn't so....

[dunksby]

If anything LeBron's 2013 MVP will be the most deserving out of his last 3. Not saying he didn't deserve the rest.

[knicksman]

u are very confusing....

I noticed that u gave Duncan full credit in 1999 even tho it was a 50 game season and not give LeBron the same respect when he even played more games in his championship run.

what does Kobe have to do with anything?

LeBron actually won the MVP and Finals MVP with Wade and Bosh... Kobe didn't so....

If he had won in cleveland despite the lockout I would have credited him the 1 ring. But since lebron fanboys likes to discredit kobes ring because he was a sidekick to shaq then I would do the same to lebron. Coz having wade and bosh is better than having shaq.

[Flush]

Yes, he deserves a MVP. His shot selection this season was better than Durant's and Carmelo's, his assist totals and rebounding are also way up in there, and also he was a big impact to a 2nd longest winstreak in the history. Next season is going to be Anthony's.

[deja vu]

MVP is not necessarily the best player of the season. Otherwise, MJ would have won it every single year from 1987-1993 and 1996-1998. There are so many factors being put into what makes an MVP, so people will always be debating who is the real MVP on some seasons where there's no clear runaway winner.

That said, LeBron is this season's clear runaway MVP award winner. I won't be surprised though if he doesn't get the unanimous vote. Some voters will be sick and tired of voting him as MVP every year. :lol

Leading the Heat to a historic 27-win streak and a 66-win season as the clear best player, so he's the MVP no doubt.

[chosen_wun]

At the risk of sounding like a homer, if he doesn't deserve this year then who in the history of the NBA does ? MIA +11 with him on, -5 with him out...leads the team in every major statistical category ... he even fits the criteria for best player on best team if you wanna go down the Rose/Nash route...

He checks off on everything you ask of an MVP, to say he doesn't deserve it automatically makes you unqualified to talk basketball. The MVP is not even an opinion based selection this year...its clear cut.

[To4]

well if you look at the league, who are others actually more deserving than lebron?, he owns in every aspects in the game.. stats and intangibles

i understand that some people are sick of having lebron as MVP for this year AGAIN, but yeah, he deserves it for what he does in the court, for his team..

but if not lebron... actually its tough, ima lean towards Kobe? Durant?, either way, its clear cut lebron still deserves MVP..

[Hoopz2332]

If you are gonna question this years MVP pick,i really dont know who in history deserved it.




:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Ether

[chips93]

Ether

so david west is the 7th best player in the league?

[kshutts1]

I don't know if this thread has been done already but sorry if it has. I'm taking anything away from Lebron cause the guy has really been balling this season. The thing is that his team is so much better than all the other teams. The Heat are really stacked. If you take Lebron off of the Heat they will still win the East. I just feel like the MVP should be given to a person on a winning team that if you take them off that team they wouldn't have a winning record and wouldn't make the playoffs imo. I feel like Lebron isn't that important to the Heat. Again I'm not trying to take anything away from Lebron. This is all my opinion and how I view the MVP award.

John Wall. That is my MVP.

James does not deserve MVP; he has two other top 10 players to fall back on if need be. Durant does not deserve it as he has another top 5 player on his team. How valuable can one player really be, when another is almost as good, if not better?

[kshutts1]

If you are gonna question this years MVP pick,i really dont know who in history deserved it.




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http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3945/adszktc.jpg

Thank you for highlighting my argument.

Please note TWO Miami players in the top 5. Therefore, how valuable is just one of them, really? Great players? Yes. But most valuable, taking into account team composition? No.

[Hoopz2332]

so david west is the 7th best player in the league?

context:coleman:

[retaxis]

According to these kobe lovers who would trade their mothers for a touch of Kobe of course Kobe is their MVP, their imaginary lover, BFF, BF, role model etc which i find pretty sickening tbh but of course Lebron 4th MVP.

Let the Playoffs Begin!!!. the situation is set...fo fo fo fo

[Goldrush25]

How is anyone able to quantify exactly what a team would or wouldn't do without a particular player? OP's premise is silly.

[knicksman]

Your mom is a whore.

says the guy who fcuks his own mother

[KOBE143]

Since Kobe was injured, he might rob it again from Kobe for the 4th time around.. :(

[Crafty]

Since Kobe was injured, he might rob it again from Kobe for the 4th time around.. :(
He locked the MVP when he went to Oklahoma to shit on Durant.

[clutch18]

He locked the MVP when he went to Oklahoma to shit on Durant.

This.