Kawhi Leonard already the 4th best SF

[unbreakable]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KawhiSS.jpg

1 Lebron
2 KD
3 Melo
4 Kawhi

However Kawhi the 2nd best defender after bron and 2nd best rebounder after bron!... and Kawhi has to battle 2 7 footers for boards.. Lebron is bigger than Bosh

Kawhi Leonard future NBA Hall of Famer :bowdown:
Spurs prove again they are the greatest basketball franchise of modern era

:bowdown:

[IncarceratedBob]

Bron
Melo
KD
George
Gay
Granger
Pierce
Barnes
MKG


All are better than Leonard

[dannywpt]

Bron
Melo
KD
George
Gay
Granger
Pierce
Barnes
MKG


All are better than Leonard

The 2 last are a bit of a stretch...

[Xsatyr]

Parsons.

[unbreakable]

George volume shooter, not elite defender, not elite rebounder, low ball iq
Gay BLACKHOLE BLACK HOL BLACK HOLE BLACK HOLE
Granger health issues, hasnt really proven anything yet, not elite
Pierce my main ni66a love pierce you may be right but hes getting old.. cant go wrong either way this season
Barnes :oldlol:
MKG :oldlol:

clown

[TheReal Kendall]

Bron
Melo
KD
George
Gay
Granger
Pierce
Barnes:facepalm
MKG


All are better than Leonard

Barnes ain't better than Kawhi

[IncarceratedBob]

The 2 last are a bit of a stretch...
Deng and Clark then

[Johnny Jones]

March 2009:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[unbreakable]

Parsons.

love parsons but hes nowhere near the defender or rebounder that kawhi is

[unbreakable]

http://shootingbricks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Kawhi-Leonard-Dunks-on-Udonis-Haslem-610x300.png

the banners in the background :bowdown:

[Xsatyr]

love parsons but hes nowhere near the defender or rebounder that kawhi is

He is the better overall player right now.

[Mass Debator]

Where's the all-star in Luol Deng?

[leMVP]

He's good, but he's benefiting from pop's system.

[DuMa]

no one mentions josh smith.

[Just2McFly]

Josh Smith is mostly a PF though. Leonard is MAYBE a top 10 SF. I'd take Jeff Green over Leonard......
Jeff green is a SF?

[Jailblazers7]

He's good, but he's benefiting from pop's system.

Yeah, Pop really knows how to maximize the talent he is given. Kawhi is an awesome player and he is clearly talented but there is no doubt that he benefits from playing with the best coach in the league in a great system.

At this point in his career, he is too much of a roleplayer to be considered top 5 at his position. I mean a guy like Pierce is 35 and still averaging 18/5/6 while be the focal point of the offense after Rondo went down.

Jeff Green is starting to look very good too. I think he wasn't given enough latitude after coming back. It takes a while to shake of the rust from missing a full season and rehabbing from open heart surgery.

[steve franchise]

He isn't even better than Chandler Parsons aka 'The Chandler Parsons Project'.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Leonard isnt even better than Wilson Chandler...

[DuMa]

Josh Smith is mostly a PF though. Leonard is MAYBE a top 10 SF. I'd take Jeff Green over Leonard......

I'm willing to bet that Melo and Lebron played more PF this year than Smoove did.

[Xsatyr]

He isn't even better than Chandler Parsons aka 'The Chandler Parsons Project'.

He prob has a higher ceiling though.

[steve franchise]

He prob has a higher ceiling though.

So does McGee. Potential is overrated.

[Xsatyr]

So does McGee. Potential is overrated.

Don't even try to compare McGee to Leonard. Kawhi Leonard's worth ethic is vastly superior.

[All Net]

Bron
Melo
KD
George
Gay
Granger
Pierce
Barnes
MKG


All are better than Leonard

Barnes and Granger? no.

[HarryCallahan]

Bron
Melo
KD
George
Gay
Granger
Pierce
Barnes
MKG


All are better than Leonard

:roll: ... No.

I love Kawhi, but calling him top 5 is a stretch. He has played better than Gay, Deng etc. but he isn't asked to do the kind of things they are. Kawhi's role is very simple and he does very well within that role, but put him on a team like Sacramento and watch his fg% drop.

Kawhi is better than Chandler Parsons though.

[unbreakable]

LMAO Kawhi a benefit of Pops system?

If anything Kawhi is being HELD BACK. Those who follow the Spurs know that Pops system is pass first, where everyone gets touches..

If Kawhi given more touches he'd be an all star.. he should be in next year tho as he continues to mature.

[Xsatyr]

LMAO Kawhi a benefit of Pops system?

If anything Kawhi is being HELD BACK. Those who follow the Spurs know that Pops system is pass first, where everyone gets touches..

If Kawhi given more touches he'd be an all star.. he should be in next year tho as he continues to mature.

Be realistic, he will not be an all star next year. It's going to take a couple years.

[steve franchise]

Don't even try to compare McGee to Leonard. Kawhi Leonard's worth ethic is vastly superior.

Potential is still overrated. Chandler Parsons > Leonard.

[HarryCallahan]

LMAO Kawhi a benefit of Pops system?

If anything Kawhi is being HELD BACK. Those who follow the Spurs know that Pops system is pass first, where everyone gets touches..

If Kawhi given more touches he'd be an all star.. he should be in next year tho as he continues to mature.

C'mon dude get off his cawk. Playing with TD, TP and Manu, under Pop isn't holding anyone back.

[Xsatyr]

Potential is still overrated. Chandler Parsons > Leonard.

It's not overrated when you have players who work hard. Leonard is already a much better defender than Parsons who has regressed this year. But If I had to chose between the two I would still take Parsons bc his overall game. It is worth noting their age difference too.

[LamarOdom]

lol no one mentioning Batum

[steve franchise]

It's not overrated when you have players who work hard. Leonard is already a much better defender than Parsons who has regressed this year. But If I had to chose between the two I would still take Parsons bc his overall game. It is worth noting their age difference too.

No. Potential is still overrated regardless of work ethic.

[unbreakable]

Parsons hasnt played defense since the 3rd grade

[Xsatyr]

Parsons hasnt played defense since the 3rd grade

You have no idea what you're talking about. He is an above defender and was even better last year.



No. Potential is still overrated regardless of work ethic.

Solid argument, way to rep Houston's fan-base.

[Element]

Nope

CLEARLY better:

LeBron
KD
Melo
Pierce
Deng
George
Parsons
Batum

[steve franchise]

You have no idea what you're talking about. He is an above defender and was even better last year.




Solid argument, way to rep Houston's fan-base.


Your initial "argument" was garbage in the first place. A counter-argument wasn't needed.

[Xsatyr]

Your initial "argument" was garbage in the first place. A counter-argument wasn't needed.

Incorrect bc my argument was that potential has significant meaning. You're argument about potential being overrated is fundamentally flawed. Most of the top players are drafted in the first round based off potential. So clearly potential is not overrated.

[HarryCallahan]

Nope

CLEARLY better:

LeBron
KD
Melo
Pierce
Deng
George
Parsons
Batum

I really don't understand where this argument comes from.

Leonard: (31.2 mpg) (ppg 11.9) (rpg 6) (fg%494%) (3p% 374) (FT% 825)
Parsons: (mpg 36.3) (ppg 15.5) (rpg 5.3) (fg% 486%) (3p% 385%) (ft 729%)

Leornard is a MUCH better defender, and three years younger.

[Xsatyr]

I really don't understand where this argument comes from.

Leonard: (31.2 mpg) (ppg 11.9) (rpg 6) (fg%494%) (3p% 374) (FT% 825)
Parsons: (mpg 36.3) (ppg 15.5) (rpg 5.3) (fg% 486%) (3p% 385%) (ft 729%)

Leornard is a MUCH better defender, and three years younger.

You're intentionally leaving out assist but I agree to an extent.

[steve franchise]

Incorrect bc my argument was that potential has significant meaning. You're argument about potential being overrated is fundamentally flawed.

Worthless response.


Most of the top players are drafted in the first round based off potential. So clearly potential is not overrated.

Now you're changing your argument. Your initial argument was silly.

[Xsatyr]

Worthless response.



Now you're changing your argument. Your initial argument was silly.

Evasion.

[steve franchise]

Evasion.

It was.

[HarryCallahan]

You're intentionally leaving out assist but I agree to an extent.

Kawhi doesn't get to hold the ball as much as Parsons so it's hard to compare them in that respect.

[andremiller07]

Gallo and Batum on top of the some of the guys already said imo are also better at this point in time.

[retaxis]

Bron
Melo
KD
George
Gay
Granger
Pierce
Barnes
MKG


All are better than Leonard
scrub out barnes and MKG and add Igoudala, Gallanari, Chandler, Josh Smith etc

[Xsatyr]

Kawhi doesn't get to hold the ball as much as Parsons so it's hard to compare them in that respect.

He still has not displayed the same skill-set as Parsons.

[AngelEyes]

How good can this guy eventually be? I see a little bit of him but I don't have a grasp of what his full potential is.

[midatlantic09]

LOL ....4th best SF??? LOL

Lebron
KD
Melo
Pierce
Josh Smith
Rudy Gay
Granger
Paul George
Deng
Ryan Anderson (i consider him a SF, not a PF despite him being 6'10)
Batum
Chandler Parsons

...all of the guys I listed are better than Leonard.

[Quintilianus]

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KawhiSS.jpg

1 Lebron
2 KD
3 Melo
4 Kawhi

However Kawhi the 2nd best defender after bron and 2nd best rebounder after bron!... and Kawhi has to battle 2 7 footers for boards.. Lebron is bigger than Bosh

Kawhi Leonard future NBA Hall of Famer :bowdown:
Spurs prove again they are the greatest basketball franchise of modern era

:bowdown:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
LeBron is not top 5 in SF's measuring only by defense

[dunksby]

Kawhi is very good but saying he is the 4th best is an insult to veterans who have established themselves in the league already.
1- LeBron
2- KD
3- Melo
4- Pierce
5- Gallo
6- Iggy
7- Deng
8- Kawhi
9- Parsons
10- Granger

[DG#8]

Kawhi is very good but saying he is the 4th best is an insult to veterans who have established themselves in the league already.
1- LeBron
2- KD
3- Melo
4- Pierce
5- Gallo
6- Iggy
7- Deng
8- Kawhi
9- Parsons
10- Granger

throw in Batum somewhere between 6-10 and that's a good list

[chosen_wun]

LOL ....4th best SF??? LOL

Lebron
KD
Melo
Pierce
Josh Smith
Rudy Gay
Granger
Paul George
Deng
Ryan Anderson (i consider him a SF, not a PF despite him being 6'10)
Batum
Chandler Parsons

...all of the guys I listed are better than Leonard.^ This
:dancin

[dunksby]

throw in Batum somewhere between 6-10 and that's a good list
You are right, somehow I forgot about him.

[unbreakable]

Kawhi is very good but saying he is the 4th best is an insult to veterans who have established themselves in the league already.
1- LeBron
2- KD
3- Melo
4- Pierce
5- Gallo
6- Iggy
7- Deng
8- Kawhi
9- Parsons
10- Granger

half your list dont play ANY defensive effort at all.. based on rebounding and defense alone kawhi better than parsons, granger,and gallo.. u hatin bad

[dunksby]

half your list dont play ANY defensive effort at all.. based on rebounding and defense alone kawhi better than parsons, granger,and gallo.. u hatin bad
Well I have only Gallo over him? And that's because he is a better player right now.

[unbreakable]

Well I have only Gallo over him? And that's because he is a better player right now.

gallo is a black hole, who doesnt play d and doesnt rebound, who hits the occasional big three i dont understand what you can possibly see him to even have him top 15 let alone top 5

[Burgz V2]

he benefits from not having to be a two way player at a physically demanding position.

he is already an elite defender/rebounder at the 3 but he has a ways to go on offense before you can rank him that high

and lol at people leaving Green and Deng out of this discussion

[unbreakable]

he benefits from not having to be a two way player at a physically demanding position.

he is already an elite defender/rebounder at the 3 but he has a ways to go on offense before you can rank him that high

and lol at people leaving Green and Deng out of this discussion

Kawhi CAN BE a 2 way player if he wasnt locked down in Pops system..

I agree about Green I have him about equal with Kawhi.. Green much better offensively but nowhere near as physically dominating

[Flush]

March 2009:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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