LeBron wasn't this good at 14 years old (Seventh Woods mixtape)

[HardwoodLegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7Hrcf04Dw&feature=youtu.be

Wow, unreal.

[chosen_wun]

That shit was fcking ridiculous ... he looks better than some NBA players..

then again, the opponents are 14.

[razzredazzre]

It's ridiculous at age 14?!
But then again if you're that good at 14, there's no competition.
We'll see how he develops.

[Trollsmasher]

If he learns how to dribble without carrying everytime, he might become really good.

[imnew09]

another thread? ISH has become a repost forum

[Shade8780]

another thread? ISH has become a repost forum
He's that good

[SAKOTXA]

If he learns how to dribble without carrying everytime, he might become really good.
Don't act like half the NBA doesn't carry. :oldlol:

[HardwoodLegend]

LMAO @ fan in the front row (2:02)

Kid knows how to put on a show.

[Djahjaga]

I'd rather watch this guy than the last two years' dunk contests.




But Lebron was still better in high school. Haven't seen anything of him at 14, but by 16/17, he was miles ahead of this kid. We'll see how he improves, though. I'd love it if he panned out.

[toooo]

BRB, 360 dunk during game.

[Ancient Legend]

How many of his passes hit his teammates in their faces :roll:

[nightprowler10]

Wow, ridiculous. Just a highlight reel, but his ball handling seems developed. Anybody here actually watched this kid play a game? Might have zero IQ for all we know.

BTW, was he a seventh child or something?

[fragokota]

the kid is athletic as f*** and has great body control for that age,we shall wait and see if he develops to be a nba player

[clayton]

Darius Morris talent.

[Droid101]

That double block thing was ridiculous. I've never seen that, ever.

Dis kid gon' be gud.

[joeysms55]

Lebron was winning state title in his HS in about the same age

[INDI]

He lives in my area

[midatlantic09]

OP, Lebron was 6'5 as a freshman in high school and was ranked the top freshman in the country so he was probably as good if not better than this guy (at 14).

[midatlantic09]

On second thought, I honestly think this guy could start for one of the crappy NBA teams right now and average 12-15 ppg on something like 40-42% shooting. He's kind of a mix of AI and D Rose.

Also, no, he's not playing against other 14 yr olds....he's clearly playing varsity ball.

[dbk123]

And not a single jumpshot was seen...

[dbk123]

On second thought, I honestly think this guy could start for one of the crappy NBA teams right now and average 12-15 ppg on something like 40-42% shooting. He's kind of a mix of AI and D Rose.

Also, no, he's not playing against other 14 yr olds....he's clearly playing varsity ball.
Not sure if srs

[LoneyROY7]

On second thought, I honestly think this guy could start for one of the crappy NBA teams right now and average 12-15 ppg on something like 40-42% shooting. He's kind of a mix of AI and D Rose.

Also, no, he's not playing against other 14 yr olds....he's clearly playing varsity ball.

:facepalm

[eurobum]

If he learns how to dribble without carrying everytime, he might become really good.

Why would he learn to do that? Is he gonna hop on dat DeLorean and get drafted into pre 2000 NBA?

[IGotACoolStory]

He's not even the best player in his class.

From some people I know at the EYBL this past weekend, I heard he's looked just OK.

[lilgodfather1]

The last kid that young to actually pan out might have been LeBron. It's about time we have another once in a generation talent. Jordan-Kobe-LeBron-Seventh. His parents named him to sell jerseys.

That said, I doubt he will. Anyone remember how highly touted Barnes was? What about Drummond? Yeah...

Although I love Drummond.

[BrickingStar]

OP you actually think lebron didn't do the same at his age when he was 6'5?

[HardwoodLegend]

OP you actually think lebron didn't do the same at his age when he was 6'5?

LeBron doesn't even have that type of body control NOW.

That's not to say LeBron's style isn't effective, but this kid obviously has more dynamic manuevers than LeBron had at that age.

And, the thread title is hyperbole anyway. I didn't see LeBron at 14. I'm sure he was dominant, but I'm surmising he mostly overpowered defenders and didn't have the array of skills and agility Seventh displays.

[LLK21]

He will become a superstar.

[dbk123]

LeBron doesn't even have that type of body control NOW.

That's not to say LeBron's style isn't effective, but this kid obviously has more dynamic manuevers than LeBron had at that age.

And, the thread title is hyperbole anyway. I didn't see LeBron at 14. I'm sure he was dominant, but I'm surmising he mostly overpowered defenders and didn't have the array of skills and agility Seventh displays.
at 14 lebron was skinnier than this dude. And i dont see what skills you see in this guy. All i see are dunks and a couple passes. Isnt he a point guard? He should have more highlight passes than dunks. not to mention the lack of a jump shot....

[theBIGjabroni]

no single jumper i. that video

[lefthook00]

Sure, LeBron was not as athletic or coordinated @ 14 years old.

But we all know what happened when LeBron grew into his body. LeBron was a better passer, shooter, rebounder, defender, shot blocker, higher bball IQ, and more upside. This kid will be 6'4" max imo.

[DonDadda59]

At the same age, Lebron would've taken this kid's lunch money :lol

[pauk]

Freakishly athletic for that age... yes...... but nothing else he does is out of the ordinary for a 14 year old....

[HardwoodLegend]

Freakishly athletic for that age... yes...... but nothing else he does is out of the ordinary for a 14 year old....

He's comin for ya boy's throne.

King Seventh VII

[Mrofir]

I would like to know if this kid has 6 siblings

[HardwoodLegend]

Seventh probably has religious connotations.

Like a girl named Sunday. It's a synonym for the Sabbath. His day of rest.

[b0bab0i]

It's ridiculous at age 14?!
But then again if you're that good at 14, there's no competition.
We'll see how he develops.
This!

Most NBA players ruled their City/County leagues in high school, but look at them now. A lot of them just sit on the bench.

[bob]

I would like to know if this kid has 6 siblings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htGSQr62peM

[NuggetsFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htGSQr62peM

North Carolina came to see him and he hasn't even played a HS game yet.

If I'm this kids dad, brother or anybody that wants to see him succeed I get him to take like 1000 jump shots a day. I know you can't make a person be a good shooter, but with that kinda of athletic ability it certainly couldn't hurt. Said he was the youngest player at the USA basketball camp, maybe dude is the next big thing.

I have no idea about the other parts of his game but that is like ELITE athletic ability at 14, craaaazy. His body control and ups are out of this world, better than the majority of NBA PG's. Never know if the skill will catch up, 4 years from now he could just be that guy with crazy dunks at the YMCA :lol

[AintNoSunshine]

talent is only half the story, kid better keep his mind straight and body healthy

[SamuraiSWISH]

If he learns how to dribble without carrying everytime, he might become really good.
Seriously, and I'm not even one to harp on that ... I enjoy new school handles. If your palm isn't UNDER the ball it's all legal.

But that crossover? Lol ... RIDICULOUS carry. You can't dribble above your shoulder, otherwise it is an automatic carry.

[RedMax]

Really impressive. Highlights can make anyone look real good though. But he has nice handles.Nice hops too.

[LosBulls]

Wow, ridiculous. Just a highlight reel, but his ball handling seems developed. Anybody here actually watched this kid play a game? Might have zero IQ for all we know.

BTW, was he a seventh child or something?
His parents are Christian and god created the earth in 7 days so they named him "Seventh".

[AngelEyes]

It would be more impressive if he didn't travel on every damn play. And he's better than LeBron at 14, why? Who here even has video of LeBron at 14? He was probably as big as this kid. Anybody looks like a god in a mixtape like this.

[BlitzForce]

BRB, 360 dunk during game.

Stefan Moody did it at 5'9" :bowdown:

[HardwoodLegend]

at 14 lebron was skinnier than this dude. And i dont see what skills you see in this guy. All i see are dunks and a couple passes. Isnt he a point guard? He should have more highlight passes than dunks. not to mention the lack of a jump shot....

The dribbling manuever at 0:28 - 0:30.

You can harp on the carries, but the kid is only 14. His handle will get tighter as he matures. But, he clearly shows a knack for breaking defenders down and weaving through traffic already.

And, there are a few jumpshots in the video. How many do you want them to show? Even if it showed 15-20 shots made, that wouldn't prove he has a jumpshot anyway. The vid's purpose was to showcase his athleticism.

[HardwoodLegend]

It would be more impressive if he didn't travel on every damn play. And he's better than LeBron at 14, why? Who here even has video of LeBron at 14? He was probably as big as this kid. Anybody looks like a god in a mixtape like this.

Thread title is being taken too seriously. It was meant to be outlandish to draw an audience.

I've seen 2 and a half minutes of Seventh Woods and 0 minutes of LeBron at 14, so of course I can't definitively say either way.

But, Seventh makes agile moves with superb coordination I've never seen LeBron make at 18 years old through present time, so I was just exaggerating off that fact.

[HardwoodLegend]

Kid has a younger brother named 'Spooky'.

Heard he's a nightmare out there on the elementary school playground court.

[dbk123]

Thread title is being taken too seriously. It was meant to be outlandish to draw an audience.

I've seen 2 and a half minutes of Seventh Woods and 0 minutes of LeBron at 14, so of course I can't definitively say either way.

But, Seventh makes agile moves with superb coordination I've never seen LeBron make at 18 years old through present time, so I was just exaggerating off that fact.
Maybe because 18 yr old lebron was 6'8 and woods is 6'1/6'2

[HardwoodLegend]

Maybe because 18 yr old lebron was 6'8 and woods is 6'1/6'2

No excuse.

T-Mac made moves I haven't seen LeBron make at 6'8. Hell, even Kevin Durant has more agile manueverability at damn near 7'0.

[dbk123]

No excuse.

T-Mac made moves I haven't seen LeBron make at 6'8. Hell, even Kevin Durant has more agile manueverability at damn near 7'0.
And look where that got t Mac :roll:

[HardwoodLegend]

And look where that got t Mac :roll:

His higher degree of agility and more dynamic array of skills is not what T-Mac's problem was.

I was expecting a clownface response though. :rolleyes:

[dbk123]

His higher degree of agility and more dynamic array of skills is not what T-Mac's problem was.

I was expecting a clownface response though. :rolleyes:
You fail dude. So you expect a dude like wade or kobe to have the same skill and agility as Chris Paul? Gtfo man

[HardwoodLegend]

You fail dude. So you expect a dude like wade or kobe to have the same skill and agility as Chris Paul? Gtfo man

No.

Not denying LeBron's greatness of course. But I wish he had some side-to-side elements to his game. At least a semblance of a crossover. Does he still have time to add it to his repertoire?

[abuC]

Thread title is being taken too seriously. It was meant to be outlandish to draw an audience.

I've seen 2 and a half minutes of Seventh Woods and 0 minutes of LeBron at 14, so of course I can't definitively say either way.

But, Seventh makes agile moves with superb coordination I've never seen LeBron make at 18 years old through present time, so I was just exaggerating off that fact.


18 year old LeBron outweighed this kid by about 80 pounds.


Expecting point guard agility from someone as big as LeBron is a joke, also LeBron was 6"3 as a freshman.

[Solefade]

No excuse.

T-Mac made moves I haven't seen LeBron make at 6'8. Hell, even Kevin Durant has more agile manueverability at damn near 7'0.

LeBron doesn't really have "ankle breaking" moves like this kid. He takes pretty direct routes into the paint, but he maneuvers well when it's crowded in the paint with an occasional spin move. Pretty similar dribbles/moves to Carmelo.

[Lebron23]

Where can I find his HS $tat$??? Here are his measurements


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Seventh-Woods-7226/stats/

6'0" (without shoes), 6'1" in shoes

[triangleoffense]

inb4 blown knees before 18

[Cocaine80s]

Ranked 27th in his class now
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/171065/seventh-woods

Dude fell off.

[KungFuJoe]

Too small. Too slow. No court vision.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

He's been injured playing with a broken wrist. Finally sat to get healthy and only now getting back to form.

Recent game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp3OsF0-Te4

Opposing team has PJ Dozier. 6-6 PG, top 25 recruit (#15 in the vid).

[ralph_i_el]

Dribbles too high

[Lebron23]

Ranked 27th in his class now
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/171065/seventh-woods

Dude fell off.


That's why it's pretty idiotic to overrate kids when they are 14 or younger because of some mix tapes/highlights against lesser competitions.

He's not even top 50 in his class.

[Clifton]

He looks like Russell Westbrook but with height and length.

... which adds up to one of the most dangerous talents of all time, if he is as good as he looks in that video. (Big "if" of course. But normally these videos are just ho-hum to me. Tall athletic guy jumps high, blocks shots of clueless 6' HS players.)

There is this extra "turbo boost" you kind of see with in his drives and his shakes that I don't quite see even with John Wall. More like Derrick Rose, just as smooth, but nastier.

I want to see a full game though.

[Clifton]

Just watched the game highlights posted above. He does indeed seem like a high-order 2-way talent... and that jumper looks real confident.

I don't get Lebron James-type certainty of being a future star, but he looks real good. How will he do in a more spread-out format like the NBA? Can't totally tell if he has Rose-like blow-by ability in this video.

[Lebron23]

Just watched the game highlights posted above. He does indeed seem like a high-order 2-way talent... and that jumper looks real confident.

I don't get Lebron James-type certainty of being a future star, but he looks real good. How will he do in a more spread-out format like the NBA? Can't totally tell if he has Rose-like blow-by ability in this video.


His stocks went down. He's not even putting up eye popping stats in high school.

He's a much better player at 14 than 17. He's going to turn 18 in January. I heard he had wrist injury that's why his numbers declined, but at 6'0" without shoes he needs to improve his shooting, and passing if he wants to be an NBA Player.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/seventh-woods/clErqvTwEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

[KG215]

He looks like Russell Westbrook but with height and length.

... which adds up to one of the most dangerous talents of all time, if he is as good as he looks in that video. (Big "if" of course. But normally these videos are just ho-hum to me. Tall athletic guy jumps high, blocks shots of clueless 6' HS players.)

There is this extra "turbo boost" you kind of see with in his drives and his shakes that I don't quite see even with John Wall. More like Derrick Rose, just as smooth, but nastier.

I want to see a full game though.
He's listed at 6'1".

[Lebron23]

He's listed at 6'1".


In the first video that was posted he was measured at 5'11.5" back when he was 14.

He was measured at 6'0.25" at the 2015 UA All-American Camp.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Seventh-Woods-7226/

[FreezingTsmoove]

That's why it's pretty idiotic to overrate kids when they are 14 or younger because of some mix tapes/highlights against lesser competitions.

He's not even top 50 in his class.

Cause hes had a ton of injuries!!!! Knee injuries

At his peak he was balling for team usa

So get that BS out of here

[ArbitraryWater]

On second thought, I honestly think this guy could start for one of the crappy NBA teams right now and average 12-15 ppg on something like 40-42% shooting. He's kind of a mix of AI and D Rose.

Also, no, he's not playing against other 14 yr olds....he's clearly playing varsity ball.

LMAO


At the same age, Lebron would've taken this kid's lunch money :lol

true

[DonDadda59]

Good thing no one on this site is a scout, or at least I hope not. :oldlol:

Dudes here probably annointed James White the future GOAT after seeing his youtube highlights.

[Rake2204]

He's been injured playing with a broken wrist. Finally sat to get healthy and only now getting back to form.

Recent game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp3OsF0-Te4

Opposing team has PJ Dozier. 6-6 PG, top 25 recruit (#15 in the vid).Interesting clip. I hadn't really kept tabs on Woods since that famous mixtape (now with over 13 million views) but I was curious to see if he could possibly live up to the hype he accidentally created thanks to some wild hops he acquired in middle school.

He still looks good, but likely not what most of those 13 million who watched his tape would have expected by now. I'm a bit surprised he didn't grow more, it's almost as if his primary growth spurt ended in eighth grade.

I definitely expected more explosion in terms of elevation. But it sounds like injuries may have been an issue. Still fun to watch that clip, since it looks like a pretty regular high school atmosphere and I can relate to that kind of environment (as opposed to those highlight clips taken at private NBA-feeder schools). He clearly stands out amongst his competition - but it appears there's question how good that competition really is (and how he'd fare against the next echelon).

Still pretty cool to him get an open lane and elevate though, especially those last two clips.

[miles berg]

Every couple of decades. Jordan in the 80s, LeBron in the 00s, now Woods in the 20s.

Happy for the NBA to be getting its not superstar right about he time LeBron will be taking a step down for sure to a lower level.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Good thing no one on this site is a scout, or at least I hope not. :oldlol:

Dudes here probably annointed James White the future GOAT after seeing his youtube highlights.
Seriously. Check Ronnie Field highlights before injures ... everyone looks like the GOAT when athletic and playing run of the mill physically inferior HS players. Check Dajuan Wagner in the early 2000s and his 100 point game.

It's like Wilt during the 60s. Just so physically superior that it isn't impressive.

OP is right though. LeBron at age 14 wasn't this good.

He was clearly better.

More poised. Refined. Smarter. And with a passing ability that hadn't been seen since healthy Penny or J Kidd in the League.

[90sgoat]

This AAU and Youtube mix tape culture is ruining the game.

Scouts should be looking for good fundamentals, ability to play in a team setting and mental maturity and intelligence.

Instead we get these JR Smith players.

[Dbrog]

I'd rather watch this guy than the last two years' dunk contests.


It hurts my heart how much truth there is in this sentence :(

On topic, this kid definitely has elite athleticism. However, I see a lot of people forget that pretty much everyone in the NBA was THE BEST in their their area when they were in HS or even college. A nba lifetime scrub player will still be able to beat basically anyone in the world. They are that good. I remember a dude on here one time discussing Sonny Weems (they played div 1 ball together). Said the dude was straight Jordan out there...not even exaggerating. Yet in the nba he struggled to average double digit pts.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This AAU and Youtube mix tape culture is ruining the game.

Scouts should be looking for good fundamentals, ability to play in a team setting and mental maturity and intelligence.

Instead we get these JR Smith players.
Yes and yes. Mixtapes, every play is a highlight. No fundamentals. No context. No intangibles.

[CTbasketball92]

Seriously. Check Ronnie Field highlights before injures ... everyone looks like the GOAT when athletic and playing run of the mill physically inferior HS players. Check Dajuan Wagner in the early 2000s and his 100 point game.

It's like Wilt during the 60s. Just so physically superior that it isn't impressive.

OP is right though. LeBron at age 14 wasn't this good.

He was clearly better.

More poised. Refined. Smarter. And with a passing ability that hadn't been seen since healthy Penny or J Kidd in the League.

This. People just don't have a real concept of how great LeBron was from an early age. Right after his freshman year (he was 15, but still) he dominated the 5 star camp and played as an allstar in the upperclassmen game too. He was considered a top 5 player in the nation when he was barely 6'1" and well before he got his one of a kind athleticism. In the Five Star camp profile or some report, the writer made it a point to say that LeBron wasn't a Vince Carter sort of athlete, but had a rare feel for the game.

Watching games with other phenoms wasn't the same as watching LeBron, and people should really stop the comparisons. LeBron stood out as the best player even during bad games, doing things no one else could do.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Nah, he's held static around 35-40ish on any reputable service. After about 15-25 or so (depends on the depth of the class), you're really throwing darts on the difference between the 35th rank kid and the 55th. He's not really dropping anymore. Some kids have gotten better as expected and got the bump in the rankings. Been following the Woods and the knock on him is that he hasn't developed into a PG. He has some of the skills, but it's not clicking for him as far as running a team goes. Which is obviously a big concern because he's going to have to play PG if he makes it to the league.

Also got to remember this high school class is STACKED. Way better than 2015 and 2014. Probably the best top talent since 2007.

Jumper has really improved, all around skills have improved, he's finally realizing he can become an absolute monster on defense. Kid can check any guard in the class fullcourt. You want to see an elite, freak athlete, PG, check out Junior Smith (NC State commit). Best in his class. Crazy athlete, good feel for the game. Reminds me a lot of a taller Steve Francis. And, yet, when you watch him paired against Woods, Woods's athleticism still stands out. It's not the leaping either. He's arguably the fastest player in high school, incredible body control, super agile, plays through contact. All around athlete. That's why you have so many clinging on to the hope that the feel for the game eventually clicks.

Too bad he's UA tho. Some talent there, but the real talent is always at Peach and all the Nike events. Hard to gauge when he's not consistently up against other top high school players. His SC high school comp isn't that great either. Heard he's super low key. Sparingly does interviews, quiet, real close with his family. So I doubt he transfers to a bigger high school and there's a decent possibility he stays home to play for the Cocks.

[Cocaine80s]

6'1 with a 6'4 wingspan and cant even play point

[egokiller]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Iverson3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7Hrcf04Dw&feature=youtu.be

Wow, unreal.

He had the best high school mixtape of all time. But never lived up to his hype. He's only averaging 1.5 ppg in college.

[Shooter]

He had the best high school mixtape of all time. But never lived up to his hype. He's only averaging 1.5 ppg in college.

Nobody ever lives up to their hype.

LeBron exceeded his.

[FireDavidKahn]

Can someone update?

Is he better then LeGOAT?

[Shooter]

He had the best high school mixtape of all time. But never lived up to his hype. He's only averaging 1.5 ppg in college.

Was this how MJ looked in the 90s? :lol

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7Hrcf04Dw

[TheGoatest]

These bumps are legit hilarious. :lol
Wasn't there also another high-school prospect supposedly on his way to becoming better than LeBron, who averages 12 ppg on 38% or something in college these days? :oldlol:
The alts are getting too desperate with these comparisons. :roll:

[CTbasketball92]

This thread was so wild even at the time. I feel like people just didn't watch LeBron as a freshman and sophomore in high school.

Through the years, I've come to find that mobility/quickness/size and nuanced/polished skills and dominance are the best indicators, not just dunks and blocks and highlights. LeBron had amazing touch around the basket at an early age. He was crazy fast and clearly had a build that was just going to continue getting bigger. Wiggins had the size and athleticism, but i never saw him make a floater. I never saw great passes, i never saw an off-hand. He dominated high school, but really only nominally. He would disappear for large stretches of time.

[8Ball]

This thread was so wild even at the time. I feel like people just didn't watch LeBron as a freshman and sophomore in high school.

Through the years, I've come to find that mobility/quickness/size and nuanced/polished skills and dominance are the best indicators, not just dunks and blocks and highlights. LeBron had amazing touch around the basket at an early age. He was crazy fast and clearly had a build that was just going to continue getting bigger. Wiggins had the size and athleticism, but i never saw him make a floater. I never saw great passes, i never saw an off-hand. He dominated high school, but really only nominally. He would disappear for large stretches of time.

Bron is only the way he is, goat, because of basketball IQ. We saw that early with Bron. It was natural.

This is also why Luka is regarded as best player in NBA today.

[Lebron23]

Hopefully Mikey Williams won't end up as the next Seventh Woods when he plays in College.

[bison]

Bro really peaked at age 14 :cry:

[Lebron23]

Bro really peaked at age 14 :cry:

We might see an ESPN 30/30 about him 5 years from now.

[Full Court]

If he learns how to dribble without carrying everytime, he might become really good.

The current NBA superstar made a career out of carrying. I think he'll be fine.

[Lebron23]

because LeBron was better.

[3ba11]

because LeBron was better.


Similarly, MJ was possibly a worse 16-year old than bron. but he ended up a far better player, so your logic applies to MJ over Lebron - the historical record always shows that MJ is superior

[Lebron23]

Similarly, MJ was possibly a worse 16-year old than bron. but he ended up a far better player, so your logic applies to MJ over Lebron - the historical record always shows that MJ is superior

LeBron beat better teams than Jordan in the nba finals. If LeBron and Jordan switch places in 2002 and 2003 LeBron is capable of leading that wizards team in the playoffs in the leastern conference.