Report: Marc Gasol wins DPOY

[DuMa]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22116327/report-marc-gasol-to-be-named-defensive-player-of-the-year

The first white guy to win it since Mark Eaton in 1989!

[Mass Debator]

The other DPOY is on the same team :applause:

[IncarceratedBob]

more successful than his brother

[selrahc]

imagine if the lakers never traded him for pau. we would be unstoppable

[KyleKong]

The first white guy to win it since Mark Eaton in 1989!

Hahahahaha

[chosen_one6]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22116327/report-marc-gasol-to-be-named-defensive-player-of-the-year

The first white guy to win it since Mark Eaton in 1989!

Are Spaniards considered white?

[KyleKong]

imagine if the lakers never traded him for pau. we would be unstoppable

Imagine if Lakers fans remembered how Pau was the real reason the Lakers won the 2010 playoffs.

[jcsrplumply]

imagine if the lakers never traded him for pau. we would be unstoppable
Stop discrediting Pau.. Without him the lakers would have not won that 2 championships.

[1987_Lakers]

Well deserved. I would have been fine with either him or Noah winning it.

[1987_Lakers]

Yes? What else?

Spanish?

[KyleKong]

Yes? What else?

Iberians and Basques is what they would call themselves, but their DNA is closest resembled to French, Greeks, Italians, and British, so yes they are white.

[fpliii]

Congrats to Marc. :applause:

A lot of posters here have somehow inexplicably convinced themselves that this was a down year for the award and as such a wide open race, but IMO that certainly was not the case. Gasol, Noah, and Duncan really separated themselves as the class of the league defensively (and Garnett + Sanders, among others had a strong season).

[Nick Young]

Stop discrediting Pau.. Without him the lakers would have not won that 2 championships.
With Marc Gasol we would be a dynasty right now.

Bynum-Marc Gasol, unstoppable:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Theoo]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: he also win ajumpballtip of year http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=297118

[Nick Young]

Spanish is a language not a nationality and if a Spaniard is white then he is considered white the question is stupid.
Maybe he has moorish ancestry so is actually mixed race

[lpublic_enemyl]

imagine if the lakers never traded him for pau. we would be unstoppable
iight send those two titles back too then :facepalm Kobe fans and lakers fans can never be happy. Pau is a player who help u will back to back titles and u take him for granted.

[Deleterious]

Maybe he has moorish ancestry so is actually mixed race

He was asking about Spaniards in general and last I checked there wasn't a lot of Moors left in Spain.

[Iceberg Slim]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22116327/report-marc-gasol-to-be-named-defensive-player-of-the-year

The first white guy to win it since Mark Eaton in 1989!

he doesn't count as a "white guy"

[316MIA]

Wow congrats, I guess. I thought Noah or Sanders was going to win this award....

It's a shame that Timmy will retire without one...

[Ne 1]

Spanish?

Spaniards are White Europeans, just like Italians/Greeks. Just not of Indegenous Anglo-Saxon descent, but rather of European Mediterranean.

[fpliii]

Wow congrats, I guess. I thought Noah or Sanders was going to win this award....

Sanders was great this year, but do you think he was on the same level as Gasol/Noah/Duncan?

[All Net]

Shows there was no standout guy...

[fpliii]

He was very good this year, Bucks defensive ppp has been very impressive with him on the floor but Larry doesn't deserve it for the sole reason of him not playing enough minutes next year I think we have one of the best defensive anchors in the league.

I found this article very interesting, take a look!

http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/4/17/4225116/larry-sanders-2013-nba-defensive-player-of-the-year

Thanks, I'll take a look.

Interestingly, Sanders already seems to be what I thought Ibaka could become. Though Serge has become one of the best PnR defenders in the league, he's not quite the interior presence of Sanders, who very well could become the next great defensive anchor in the league.

[Magic 32]

Imagine if Lakers fans remembered how Pau was the real reason the Lakers won the 2010 playoffs.

Oh god they never learn about that series. Fantasy land.

Kobe was the only reason they won. Period.

[Element]

Ibaka great? That dude jumps at every pump fake and frequently helps the wrong player

[chosen_one6]

Yes? What else?

Well, I was thinking they were more Hispanic than anything else (the area was deemed "Hispania" by the Romans) but calling someone that here in the US will get you various responses because of the convoluted perception of the term "Hispanic."

I understand there are white people in Spain but I wouldn't necessarily refer to all of them as white.

I'd really love to ask Pau and Marc what they think of themselves.

[Electric Slide]

It should have went to Lebron.

[Doctor Rivers]

It should have went to Lebron.

change your avatar

[Element]

It should have went to Lebron.

Why do you have a Celtics avatar? The only thing you rep is LeBron's c.ock.

[BlackVVaves]

Thanks, I'll take a look.

Interestingly, Sanders already seems to be what I thought Ibaka could become. Though Serge has become one of the best PnR defenders in the league, he's not quite the interior presence of Sanders, who very well could become the next great defensive anchor in the league.

This. Too often fans and media pundits misconceive adept shot-blocking or pick-pocketing as indicators of great defense.

Yeah, those elements certainly help, but elite defense goes beyond statistical value. Ibaka is a great weak-side helper and improved in pick and roll coverage. But, he is so overrated as a man to man defender.

He should be better than he is as a defensive anchor for his team.

[(e)]

Well, I was thinking they were more Hispanic than anything else (the area was deemed "Hispania" by the Romans) but calling someone that here in the US will get you various responses because of the convoluted perception of the term "Hispanic."

I understand there are white people in Spain but I wouldn't necessarily refer to all of them as white.

I'd really love to ask Pau and Marc what they think of themselves.

http://damelin.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pau-marc-gasol-300x189.jpg

Look white to me...

[WilliamsCollege]

:facepalm Tim Duncan robbed. Again.

[mattvNJ]

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Congrats to the big guy, hes had a real good season, really stepped up. Hope it translates into this next play off game =/

[daj0264]

but he white:coleman: :coleman: :coleman:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Omg But Da Lakers Rippped Off Da Grizzzzzzzz, Omg Lakers Steal Anoder Talent

[Golden Grizz]

Very happy for Marc to get the credit he deserves. Amazing how good he's gotten and how quickly he passed up Rudy Gay and Z-Bo as the center piece of the Grizzlies.

[LLK21]

:applause:

[SCdac]

Congrats to Marc.

I gotta say though, with Tyson Chandler and now Marc Gasol winning DPOY's, it's crazy Tim Duncan never won a single one.

[KyleKong]

Oh god they never learn about that series. Fantasy land.

Kobe was the only reason they won. Period.

Tell me more about Gasol's 12 offensive rebounds in game 7.

[All Net]

Congrats to Marc.

I gotta say though, with Tyson Chandler and now Marc Gasol winning DPOY's, it's crazy Tim Duncan never won a single one.

Yeah quite disgraceful really.

[Crafty]

Congrats to Marc.

I gotta say though, with Tyson Chandler and now Marc Gasol winning DPOY's, it's crazy Tim Duncan never won a single one.
I know, this was probably his last chance.

[NumberSix]

Spanish is a language not a nationality and if a Spaniard is white then he is considered white the question is stupid.
2013 posters :facepalm

[KyleKong]

2013 posters :facepalm

I refuse to be put in the same group with someone that retarded. :banghead:

[Reverend Hoops]

Shows there was no standout guy...

Shows the award means nothing.

[daj0264]

2013 posters :facepalm


because the date he joined shows how stupid he is

[K Xerxes]

Timmy is not going to win a DPOY in his entire career? That's just not right.

Marc Gasol was worthy this year though. I wouldn't have minded it going to Gasol, Duncan or Noah, but I gave Duncan the edge overall.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Would have been nice to see Timmy get one but i can't say this isn't well deserved.

[Deleterious]

2013 posters :facepalm

Yeah made a mistake thought it was their language and their demonym was Spaniards, both can be used from what someone told me.

But from what I have seen in this forum you're not the smartest man around so you are not exactly entitled to go around and use this 2013 poster.

[Bandito]

Well, I was thinking they were more Hispanic than anything else (the area was deemed "Hispania" by the Romans) but calling someone that here in the US will get you various responses because of the convoluted perception of the term "Hispanic."

I understand there are white people in Spain but I wouldn't necessarily refer to all of them as white.

I'd really love to ask Pau and Marc what they think of themselves.
I am hispanic because i was born in America (well the caribbean) Anything that was not born here (Spanish people) are considered europeans.

Also if you're white you are going to be called white anywhere (except the US for some reason). So they will call themselves white.

Even though I am white by a random american guy standards I wasn't white but "light skinned".

[Bandito]

Spanish is a language not a nationality and if a Spaniard is white then he is considered white the question is stupid.
Spanish is language but it is also considered people from Spain.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Spanish:facepalm


I refuse to be put in the same group with someone that retarded. :lol

[Bandito]

because the date he joined shows how stupid he is
it is because the majority 2013 posters have been showed to be either alts or just stupid.

[Human Error]

Well deserved and I am glad that Larry Sanders/Serge Ibaka did not win. Some voters are very dumb that they do not realize there is more than blocked shots in defense.

[chosen_wun]

Where is Tim Duncan's life time achievement DPOY award ?

[PJR]

Perhaps it's just me, but I just don't defensive stalwart when I Marc Gasol. *shrugs*.

[TheReturn]

Had Noah stayed healthy, I probable would've said he deserves it more, but I guess this is fair now.

[AussieG]

Great to see Marc getting some recognition for the awesome player that he is. He's not a shot blocking machine either.. he's just very smart and very solid in all aspects of the game.

[lilblingy]

I personally think that it should have gone to Duncan but i guess Mark's not a bad choice.

[Dro]

Perhaps it's just me, but I just don't defensive stalwart when I Marc Gasol. *shrugs*.
I agree, can someone show some stats?

[secund2nun]

:facepalm Tim Duncan robbed. Again.

+1

Yet another disgrace.

[Shepseskaf]

No disrespect to Marc, but this is obviously no standout year for DPOY.

[Graviton]

Yea we saw his DPOY worthy defense against the Clippers. :oldlol: It was a layup/dunk party in there. And he is pretty mediocre rebounder for size, really soft like Pau. Not even in double digits in rebounding after 2 damn games, wtf.

Noah and Duncan deserved it more.

[BlackVVaves]

I think Noah is truly the more dynamic defender. I think it should go to him.

[andremiller07]

Whoever got it this year would have been lucky and there would have been lots of agrument about it since it could have gone like 5-6 ways. Gasol is a solid choice none the less.

[AintNoSunshine]

imagine if the lakers never traded him for pau. we would be unstoppable

ungrateful b!tch if th lakers never traded him for pau, your boy kobe will retire with only the 3 rings shaq gave him as a gift for riding on his coattail

[Big#50]

Don't really get to see much of him. Every time I do I don't think he is that great.

[willds09]

marc gasol dont deserve it:facepalm

[willds09]

ungrateful b!tch if th lakers never traded him for pau, your boy kobe will retire with only the 3 rings shaq gave him as a gift for riding on his coattail
shaq would only have 1 ring, if it wasnt for kobe:no:

[aj1987]

marc gasol dont deserve it:facepalm
Then who does deserve it?

[willds09]

Then who does deserve it?
not marc gasol:lol

[Harison]

Noah should have won it, or Duncan (as a life-time achievement reward). Marc doesnt really cut it, but oh well.

[wally_world]

Should've been Duncan imo

First European to win DPOY? :oldlol:

[BigDipper13]

He had a great year, I'm ok with it.

[fpliii]

marc gasol dont deserve it:facepalm


shaq would only have 1 ring, if it wasnt for kobe:no:

Huh? You have some explaining to do if you intend to convince anyone of either statement. Please don't respond with a one-liner followed by an emoticon.

[nightprowler10]

Damn, was really hoping Noah would get more votes, but it's tough argue with that choice. Well deserved.

[NuggetsFan]

Don't really disagree with it. Feels like you could make an argument for a bunch of players this year. Wouldn't have argued against a few players winning it.

Few years ago never would have guessed it. To think a few years back he was just a small piece in the Lakers getting his brother.

[Trollsmasher]

Marc Gasol wins Def Player of Year, w/212 points, beating LeBron (149), Ibaka (122) and Noah (107).

[fpliii]

Marc Gasol wins Def Player of Year, w/212 points, beating LeBron (149), Ibaka (122) and Noah (107).

:facepalm

Duncan outside of the top 5 is a disgrace.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Gasol is overrated imo. He isn't even better than Noah. I can't believe for the life of me there were people that said he was better than Howard.

[kaiteng]

Gasol is overrated imo. He isn't even better than Noah. I can't believe for the life of me there were people that said he was better than Howard.
Somewhat true. But when you have the best defensive team in the league, you have to pick the best one of the bunch for the award, right?

Marc deserves it at the end.

[B-Easy8]

Ibaka?

I guess they just completely disregard his post D due to the fact that he can block shots.

By that logic Sanders should be in there as well.

[nosfan773]

:facepalm

Duncan outside of the top 5 is a disgrace.

Seriously, who votes on this? Whether you give him the nod as a 'lifetime achievement award' or not, how is he not in the consensus top 5?

[Trollsmasher]

Seriously, who votes on this? Whether you give him the nod as a 'lifetime achievement award' or not, how is he not in the consensus top 5?

What I don't understand is how they put IBAKA instead of him there. Seriously?

LeBron is also higher than he should be, he has been coasting on defense for half of the season.

[AussieG]

30 first place votes to 18 for LeBron..

[chazzy]

The voting order is kinda ridiculous. Lebron shouldn't be that much higher than bigs like Noah and Duncan, and there's no reason why CP3 has more first place votes than Dwight at 14th place.

[Fudge]

LeBron in 2nd place? :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron in 2nd place? :roll:

Are you trying to give KingWillBall a stroke? :oldlol:

[Big#50]

Marc Gasol wins Def Player of Year, w/212 points, beating LeBron (149), Ibaka (122) and Noah (107).
Ibaka is not very good defensively.

[Stern]

What are Lebron and Ibaka doing in the top 3?

Lebron has been pretty much coasting on defense while Ibaka is nothing more than an average defender.

[I.R.Beast]

It should have went to Lebron.
why?...

[Lebron23]

37 yrs.old Tim Duncan and Joakim Noah are far superior defenders than Marc Gasol. I am going to LMAO if he beats Al Horford and Old man Duncan in THE All NBA First Team. Gasol is just an average rebounder at the Center Position.

[Graviton]

What are Lebron and Ibaka doing in the top 3?

Lebron has been pretty much coasting on defense while Ibaka is nothing more than an average defender.
Because something something OH LOOK AT DEM CHASEDOWN BLOCKS! Ibaka is a mediocre defender with very low IQ, Bosh is a much better defender than him.

Funny thing is Lebron gets overrated for his chasedown ability and overpraised as the best chasedown blocker in the league, yet he doesn't even average block a game. But Wade averages that for his career. Just strange how the "most athletic player in history of NBA" can't even get a block a game, that just tells you what you need to know about his defense. He doesn't contest shots heavily, he doesn't challenge shots in the paint, he tries not to pick up fouls and is too careful at times. Especially this year he has been coasting too much, contesting late, letting scrubs blow by him and not challenging in the post when they do. But as long as he gets a pretty chasedown every 5 games and provides his usual help D he gets lot of DPOY votes.

[Lebron23]

18/19 yrs.old Nerlens Noel will win the NBA Defensive Player of the Year next year if the media and coaches still hates Dwight Howard. I am sure he's going to put up better overall numbers than Prime Marc Gasol despite being almost a decade younger.

[SilkkTheShocker]

18/19 yrs.old Nerlens Noel will win the NBA Defensive Player of the Year next year if the media and coaches still hates Dwight Howard. I am sure he's going to put up better overall numbers than Prime Marc Gasol despite being almost a decade younger.

Absolutely no chance. Noel might not even be ready at the start of the season.

[TaLvsCuaL]

I find it funny to read people arguing that Marc Gasol is not a good defender because He is bad/average rebounder.

He is a really good rebounder, but simply does not compete for rebounds with teammates. You can notice it if you can actually watch the games, but many people here seem to only look at the scoreboard.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Because something something OH LOOK AT DEM CHASEDOWN BLOCKS! Ibaka is a mediocre defender with very low IQ, Bosh is a much better defender than him.

Funny thing is Lebron gets overrated for his chasedown ability and overpraised as the best chasedown blocker in the league, yet he doesn't even average block a game. But Wade averages that for his career. Just strange how the "most athletic player in history of NBA" can't even get a block a game, that just tells you what you need to know about his defense. He doesn't contest shots heavily, he doesn't challenge shots in the paint, he tries not to pick up fouls and is too careful at times. Especially this year he has been coasting too much, contesting late, letting scrubs blow by him and not challenging in the post when they do. But as long as he gets a pretty chasedown every 5 games and provides his usual help D he gets lot of DPOY votes.

LeBron is the best chasedown shotblocker in NBA history.

[Graviton]

18/19 yrs.old Nerlens Noel will win the NBA Defensive Player of the Year next year if the media and coaches still hates Dwight Howard. I am sure he's going to put up better overall numbers than Prime Marc Gasol despite being almost a decade younger.
After coming back from an ACL injury? That toothpick will win DPOY in his rookie year playing against bigger stronger players and the best athletes on the planet? A 19 year old kid will be a force down low against actual MEN?

Wonder how many times that has happened in NBA history, a rookie winning DPOY, much less a 19 year old 220 pound rookie.

[Graviton]

LeBron is the best chasedown shotblocker in NBA history.
Josh Smith is just as good if not better, he was doing chasedown blocks before Lebron made it "his thing". Lebron only really embarasses little PGs that are so scared of him they **** it up, like Rondo. But there are also other players who don't give a shit about him behind them and fake him out and make the easy basket.

Too bad they don't make chasedown block statistics to actually compare his block to fail ratio.

[Graviton]

I find it funny to read people arguing that Marc Gasol is not a good defender because He is bad/average rebounder.

He is a really good rebounder, but simply does not compete for rebounds with teammates. You can notice it if you can actually watch the games, but many people here seem to only look at the scoreboard.
Yea that's why Clippers raped his whole team in past 2 games rebounding wise, because Marc Gasol is a good rebounder but "just lets his teammates get them".:oldlol:

He doesn't even have double digit rebounds after 2 games, a 7 foot 270 pound Center. He is just as soft and passive as his bro Pow! Gasoft.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Josh Smith is just as good if not better, he was doing chasedown blocks before Lebron made it "his thing". Lebron only really embarasses little PGs that are so scared of him they **** it up, like Rondo. But there are also other players who don't give a shit about him behind them and fake him out and make the easy basket.

Too bad they don't make chasedown block statistics to actually compare his block to fail ratio.


Still salty about last year? Get over it.

[Stern]

Because something something OH LOOK AT DEM CHASEDOWN BLOCKS! Ibaka is a mediocre defender with very low IQ, Bosh is a much better defender than him.

Funny thing is Lebron gets overrated for his chasedown ability and overpraised as the best chasedown blocker in the league, yet he doesn't even average block a game. But Wade averages that for his career. Just strange how the "most athletic player in history of NBA" can't even get a block a game, that just tells you what you need to know about his defense. He doesn't contest shots heavily, he doesn't challenge shots in the paint, he tries not to pick up fouls and is too careful at times. Especially this year he has been coasting too much, contesting late, letting scrubs blow by him and not challenging in the post when they do. But as long as he gets a pretty chasedown every 5 games and provides his usual help D he gets lot of DPOY votes.

If voters are only going to consider amount of blocked shots then why not give it to Larry Sanders. He is a legit interior defender unlike Ibaka who just goes up for blocks. Ibaka isnt even a top 3 defender on his team, I consider Westbrook, Sefolosha and Collision better and more impactful.

[Graviton]

Still salty about last year? Get over it.
Great rebuttal, as always you provide thought provoking analysis and intelligent counter arguments. :applause:

[Graviton]

If voters are only going to consider amount of blocked shots then why not give it to Larry Sanders. He is a legit interior defender unlike Ibaka who just goes up for blocks. Ibaka isnt even a top 3 defender on his team, I consider Westbrook, Sefolosha and Collision better and more impactful.
Because Sanders isn't a nice guy, he had problems with techs and refs don't like him, so the media has the same attitude. And playing for Bucks don't help either, doubt these voters even saw 3 Bucks games whole season.:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

After coming back from an ACL injury? That toothpick will win DPOY in his rookie year playing against bigger stronger players and the best athletes on the planet? A 19 year old kid will be a force down low against actual MEN?

Wonder how many times that has happened in NBA history, a rookie winning DPOY, much less a 19 year old 220 pound rookie.


He's quickly recovering from his ACL injury. I hope the Phoenix Suns draft Nerlens Noel.

http://www.whas11.com/sports/university-of-kentucky/Nerlens-Noel-recovery-progresses-just-in-time-for-NBA-draft-203579431.html

[NBASTATMAN]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22116327/report-marc-gasol-to-be-named-defensive-player-of-the-year

The first white guy to win it since Mark Eaton in 1989!


Larry Sanders deserved it more than he did..

[Facades]

Larry Sanders deserved it more than he did..
Blocked shots aren't everything. Marc Gasol anchors that defense and does a great job of it. Well deserving winner of the award.

[bdreason]

I don't really see it. He's a solid defender on a team with the best perimeter defense in the NBA. Better then LeBron winning it I guess.

[fpliii]

Gasol's stingy defense earns award

Since the 1982-83 season, when the first Defensive Player of the Year award was given, a power forward or a center has won it 22 of the 30 times.

Marc Gasol will be the 23rd this season as he accepts the award for the first time in his career, becoming the second first-time winner in as many years. Last season New York Knicks center Tyson Chandler was the recipient of the award for the first time.

Since 1996-97, Gasol is tied for the fourth-highest defensive efficiency among Defensive Player of the Year award winners.


Defensive efficiency
By Defensive Player of the Year winners
Player Def Eff
1998-99 Alonzo Mourning 92.9
2003-04 Ron Artest 93.7
2007-08 Kevin Garnett 94.4
2012-13 Marc Gasol 95.4
2000-01 Dikembe Mutombo 95.4


Gasol averaged 1.7 blocks and 1.0 steals for Memphis, which allowed 97.4 points per 100 possessions this season, second only to the Indiana Pacers (96.6 points per 100 possessions).

The Grizzlies’ defensive efficiency was 95.4 with Gasol on the court. However, with him on the bench, that number jumped to 102.2.

The anchor

With Gasol on the court, teams turned the ball over against the Grizzlies 17.3 percent of the time, a rate that would have led the NBA (the Clippers' 17.2 percent led the league this season). However, with him off the court, that percentage dropped to 15.8 percent, which would've ranked 12th.

His impact on the defensive end extends to turning turnovers into points, as well. With Gasol on the court, Memphis averaged 18 points per game off turnovers, which would've ranked fourth in the NBA. But with him off the court, the team averaged 15.5 points, which would've rank 20th.

Defense wins games

According to basketball-reference.com, Gasol had 5.4 defensive win shares this season, which was second in the NBA behind Paul George. Defensive win shares are an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense.

Gasol’s defensive efficiency of 95.4 points per 100 possessions allowed was third in the NBA (minimum 2,000 minutes, 126 players). Teammates Tony Allen (94.3) and Mike Conley (95.1) were first and second, respectively.

The second half of the season was when Gasol really earned the honor. Gasol’s defensive efficiency after the All-Star break was 92.1, which was best in the NBA.

On the ball

As an on-ball defender, Gasol led the NBA with his 0.76 points per play allowed per game (minimum 800 plays, 55 players). Players turned the ball over an average of 14.5 times per game when covered by Gasol, sixth best in the league.



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[d.bball.guy]

Congrats :applause: