Can idiots stop bitching about the Pau Gasol trade now?

[Nick Young]

Both teams benefited. Both teams got exactly what they wanted and needed.

Lakers became immediate contenders, Grizz got capspace to sign zach randolph, draft picks, and Marc Gasol their current franchise center and DPoTY.


At the time of the Pau trade idiots were saying it was a Stern manufactured trade for the Lakers. Some idiot fans are still saying that.

Many idiots say "No one knew Marc Gasol would be this good, so it's still a shit trade".

Grizzlies scouts apparently knew, Marc Gasol played highschool ball in memphis, grew up around the organization, loved the city of Memphis, and was having an MVP year in the Spanish league as a 20 year old at the time of the trade. He was 7'1 and 250 pounds. Any idiot could guess that a 20 year old giant 7 footer with an elite post game and passing and dominating professionals in the best league in Europe was going to be good in the NBA as well.

Get over it. Both teams won in this trade. It is probably one of the best two sided trades ever if you think about it. What other trades can you think of where both teams got exactly what they wanted?

Don't let the pathetic hatred of others cloud your judgement. To all anti-Lakers sinners, repent for your sins.

Stern proved that he doesn't favor the Lakers when he vetoed the CP3 trade.

[Theoo]

Both teams benefited. Both teams got exactly what they wanted and needed.

Lakers became immediate contenders, Grizz got capspace to sign zach randolph, draft picks, and Marc Gasol their current franchise center and DPoTY.


At the time of the Pau trade idiots were saying it was a Stern manufactured trade for the Lakers. Some idiot fans are still saying that.

Many idiots say "No one knew Marc Gasol would be this good, so it's still a shit trade".

Grizzlies scouts apparently knew, Marc Gasol played highschool ball in memphis, grew up around the organization, loved the city of Memphis, and was having an MVP year in the Spanish league as a 20 year old at the time of the trade. He was 7'1 and 250 pounds. Any idiot could guess that a 20 year old giant 7 footer with an elite post game and passing and dominating professionals in the best league in Europe was going to be good in the NBA as well.

Get over it. Both teams won in this trade. It is probably one of the best two sided trades of the entire decade if you think about it.

Don't let the pathetic hatred of others cloud your judgement. To all anti-Lakers sinners, repent for your sins.

Stern proved that he doesn't favor the Lakers when he vetoed the CP3 trade.
yes dont not forget marc gasol also win JBTOY

[Haymaker]

In hindsight, yes it was good for Grizzlies. Let's not forget Marc wasn't considered to have too much upside. Plus, Pau won 2 titles with LA, I doubt they would've won two with a young Marc.

[NBASTATMAN]

Both teams benefited. Both teams got exactly what they wanted and needed.

Lakers became immediate contenders, Grizz got capspace to sign zach randolph, draft picks, and Marc Gasol their current franchise center and DPoTY.


At the time of the Pau trade idiots were saying it was a Stern manufactured trade for the Lakers. Some idiot fans are still saying that.

Many idiots say "No one knew Marc Gasol would be this good, so it's still a shit trade".

Grizzlies scouts apparently knew, Marc Gasol played highschool ball in memphis, grew up around the organization, loved the city of Memphis, and was having an MVP year in the Spanish league as a 20 year old at the time of the trade. He was 7'1 and 250 pounds. Any idiot could guess that a 20 year old giant 7 footer with an elite post game and passing and dominating professionals in the best league in Europe was going to be good in the NBA as well.

Get over it. Both teams won in this trade. It is probably one of the best two sided trades ever if you think about it. What other trades can you think of where both teams got exactly what they wanted?

Don't let the pathetic hatred of others cloud your judgement. To all anti-Lakers sinners, repent for your sins.

Stern proved that he doesn't favor the Lakers when he vetoed the CP3 trade.



Stern got The Lakers in the playoffs !!!!!! :wtf:


The Pau Gasol trade was great by the Lakers.. Whether or not people like it the Lakers make some great arse moves... Give management credit..IMO Jerry West did have something to do with it...

[STATUTORY]

the whole pretense that stern favors the lakers is a farce, the new CBA, vetoing of Paul trade and no love shown to Kobe by the refs all indicate that stern, who works for the collective interest of the owners (vast majority does not like the lakers) does not make it easy for the lakers to succeed.

[Nick Young]

In hindsight, yes it was good for Grizzlies. Let's not forget Marc wasn't considered to have too much upside. Plus, Pau won 2 titles with LA, I doubt they would've won two with a young Marc.
Obviously the Grizzlies knew about his upside. They knew the player better than any other team and were scouting him since before his highschool days. Just because other scouts were wrong about Marc doesn't mean it's a bad trade. it just means other team scouts and coaches were foolish. It is also foolish to call a 20 year old 7'1 250 pound monster in the middle of an MVP year in Spain a player with no upside.

No one rated Manu enough to take him in the first round, that doesn't mean it was a bad draft pick, it just means the Spurs scouting had one up on every other NBA scout in the business.

LA might not have two titles but they'd currently have their franchise center sorted out for the next decade. And Memphis might still have been stuck with Pau who didn't want to be there. Neither team would have got what they wanted.

Also there's no point in talking about what might have happened. All we can do is look at what did happen.

Best two-way beneficial trade ever.

[luckylucy]

yes dont not forget marc gasol also win JBTOY

how do anyones forgot the GOAT award of the awards? :facepalm

[LBJFTW]

What other trades have been veto'd by the commish?

[Nick Young]

[/B]



Stern got The Lakers in the playoffs !!!!!! :wtf:


The Pau Gasol trade was great by the Lakers.. Whether or not people like it the Lakers make some great arse moves... Give management credit..IMO Jerry West did have something to do with it...
Jerry West wanted to rebuild and he did a damn fine job of it, the Pau trade allowed him to do so much, and got him a franchise center.

Not just a franchise center, but a player who loves the city of Memphis and has committed his future to it, which is really hard to find in the NBA for a small market team.

[chosen_wun]

Stern owned the team Chris Paul was playing for ...he wanted value, any other time the trade would have gone through.

[Nick Young]

Stern owned the team Chris Paul was playing for ...he wanted value, any other time the trade would have gone through.
If CP3 was going to Lebron's team the trade would have gone through

[luckylucy]

In hindsight, yes it was good for Grizzlies. Let's not forget Marc wasn't considered to have too much upside. Plus, Pau won 2 titles with LA, I doubt they would've won two with a young Marc.

Marc was having a hell of a season in Spain, breaking the record of MVPs of the month held by Sabonis with ease. I mean, I think he won all of them.

I remember watching one game and the commentators where saying that Marc was scoring at least one 3 pointer every game, while the year before he couldn't even make a free throw. It's stupid to think that NBA scouts didn't know about this.

[chosen_wun]

If CP3 was going to Lebron's team the trade would have gone through
Incorrect.

It would have been vetoed even faster. Again, Stern needed to sell the Hornets, he needed value like a Eric Gordon type asset coming back.

[Rose'sACL]

the whole pretense that stern favors the lakers is a farce, the new CBA, vetoing of Paul trade and no love shown to Kobe by the refs all indicate that stern, who works for the collective interest of the owners (vast majority does not like the lakers) does not make it easy for the lakers to succeed.
i guess being number 4 in free throws attempts and being above carmelo and lebron in free throws attempts clearly shows how much refs hate kobe.
are you going to tell me that kobe scores more in paint than lebron?

[BigDipper13]

It looks much better now.

[AintNoSunshine]

Lakers still got gifted 2 championships, without pau you think you would win? stop lying to yourself

I don't care tho, LA is a big market and they have a natural advantage. nothing wrong with it, but the only one bitching are lakers fan. after pau helping you win 2 championships you treat him like he's some scrub. you're an ungrateful bunch

[Nick Young]

i guess being number 4 in free throws attempts and being above carmelo and lebron in free throws attempts clearly shows how much refs hate kobe.
are you going to tell me that kobe scores more in paint than lebron?
No but he's a better shooter, a smarter player and better at getting his defender to bite on pump fakes.

[STATUTORY]

i guess being number 4 in free throws attempts and being above carmelo and lebron in free throws attempts clearly shows how much refs hate kobe.
are you going to tell me that kobe scores more in paint than lebron?

needs to look at fts/fga not raw ft numbers

[Rose'sACL]

No but he's a better shooter, a smarter player and better at getting his defender to bite on pump fakes.
how is he a smarter player? just because you said so? you are pretty sad. lebron even scores more efficiently and has more assists not just now but even in his Cleveland days.if you are going to make a statement, back it up.I can just write that i am smarter than you and end the debate without any facts. kobe is a better shooter than lebron, lebron is better in every other aspect of the game.

needs to look at fts/fga not raw ft numbers
are you going to tell me that points in paint don't mean anything but fts/fga mean a lot when he shoots so much from outside? you guys are making older members look bad.

[Nick Young]

how is he a smarter player? just because you said so? you are pretty sad. lebron even scores more efficiently and has more assists not just now but even in his Cleveland days.if you are going to make a statement, back it up.I can just write that i am smarter than you and end the debate without any facts. kobe is a better shooter than lebron, lebron is better in every other aspect of the game.

are you going to tell me that points in paint don't mean anything but fts/fga mean a lot when he shoots so much from outside? you guys are making older members look bad.
Lebron cares more about protecting his personal percentages and averages then he does about winning. He is not a smarter player then Kobe. He plays to protect his percentages, Kobe plays to win.

[Rose'sACL]

Lebron cares more about protecting his personal percentages and averages then he does about winning. He is not a smarter player then Kobe. He plays to protect his percentages, Kobe plays to win.
if you can say that then i can say that kobe cares about his shots more than winning. how is that wrong? it is not like lebron is only winning on heat, he won on cavs. made cavs a way better team than it was even when he was a rookie. i guess you really hate lebron for some reason and have no stats so you make statements like they are facts.another fact : I am smarter than you. there, i just made a statement like you . i don't have to prove it just like you.

[chosen_wun]

:lol

I see this guy above is a troll by looking at his rep, but I will just say that LeBron doesn't protect his FG. It's that high because he's scoring in the paint at will.

[SsKSpurs21]

the whole pretense that stern favors the lakers is a farce, the new CBA, vetoing of Paul trade and no love shown to Kobe by the refs all indicate that stern, who works for the collective interest of the owners (vast majority does not like the lakers) does not make it easy for the lakers to succeed.

everyone was onto Sterns game. he had to change direction to get the heat off him. "My fantasy NBA Finals would be Lakers vs Lakers." - David Stern :D

[Nick Young]

everyone was onto Sterns game. he had to change direction to get the heat off him. "My fantasy NBA Finals would be Lakers vs Lakers." - David Stern :D
So what?
Every true basketball fan would want to see Lakers vs Lakers. Two Kobes, the world would explode, it would be like Space Jam in real life.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rose'sACL]

So what?
Every true basketball fan would want to see Lakers vs Lakers. Two Kobes, the world would explode, it would be like Space Jam in real life.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
you clearly aren't a true basketball fan. I would like to see spurs vs spurs or spurs vs heat or even heat vs heat .
and people say april 2013 members are bad. there are more trolls with join dates before 2013 and you're a great example. you don't even like basketball judging by your comments.

[gasolina]

You seem to forget that grizz fans had to endure 2-3 years of utter garbage before we got respectable again. When the trade happened, me and like 2 other grizzly fans here were staring at seasons with Darko as the starting center and Gay and Mike Miller as primary options.

[Solefade]

Stern sure hates the Lakers: http://youtu.be/cxTjOPImyts

2002 will always be the reason why I hate the Lakers and Laker fans for thinking that they actually deserved this championship. They get calls all the time--even to this day and they have the nerve to say that other teams like Heat are more favored by the refs especially when they lead the league in free throws this season.

This video makes me angry.


Yea, I'm salty.

[chazzy]

Stern sure hates the Lakers: http://youtu.be/cxTjOPImyts

2002 will always be the reason why I hate the Lakers and Laker fans for thinking that they actually deserved this championship. They get calls all the time--even to this day and they have the nerve to say that other teams like Heat are more favored by the refs especially when they lead the league in free throws this season.

This video makes me angry.


Yea, I'm salty.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233197

[HorryIsMyMVP]

LA traded KWAME BROWN. Still most lopsided trade in NBA history.

[Solefade]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233197

The links to your clips don't work, but the fact that you have to take two to three looks under a microscope and knit-pick every little thing to make it seem like maybe they were just really bad calls rather than blatantly rigged calls is ridiculous and a waste of time. Regardless if these are bad or rigged calls, the refs gave the Kings NO breaks, no "make-up" calls. Scott Pollard, Vlade, and Webber all fouled out was retarded.

There's also been a lot of "really bad calls" this season that went against teams Lakers were playing against towards the end of the season as they were making their push into the playoffs that have been compiled into videos on YouTube.

[Nick Young]

You seem to forget that grizz fans had to endure 2-3 years of utter garbage before we got respectable again. When the trade happened, me and like 2 other grizzly fans here were staring at seasons with Darko as the starting center and Gay and Mike Miller as primary options.
Um, that's what happens to all teams that try to rebuild:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:.

Grizzlies were utter garbage for 2-3 years BEFORE the trade happened anyways so what are you complaining about? Did you expect to be able to trade 18 PPG never won in the playoffs Pau Gasol and instantly become title contenders?:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

None of what you have now would be remotely possible if this trade wasn't made and Marc Gasol would be a Laker:rockon:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Um, that's what happens to all teams that try to rebuild:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:.

Grizzlies were utter garbage for 2-3 years BEFORE the trade happened anyways so what are you complaining about? Did you expect to be able to trade 18 PPG never won in the playoffs Pau Gasol and instantly become title contenders?:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

None of what you have now would be remotely possible if this trade wasn't made and Marc Gasol would be a Laker:rockon:
The Lakers would have improved their roster if they didn't get Pau and just got rid of Kwame :oldlol:

[bluechox2]

lets see, those complaining about chris paul trade...hindesight, that was a terrible trade

washed up gasol and mentally challenged odom vs young gordon (asset), draft picks

[Cali Syndicate]

A rookie Marc gasol would never have been able to carry the load pau did in 09 and 10. and even with both Marc and Bynum, lakers probably still lose to Dallas and okc respectively in the following seasons. Just sayin

[Rose'sACL]

The links to your clips don't work, but the fact that you have to take two to three looks under a microscope and knit-pick every little thing to make it seem like maybe they were just really bad calls rather than blatantly rigged calls is ridiculous and a waste of time. Regardless if these are bad or rigged calls, the refs gave the Kings NO breaks, no "make-up" calls. Scott Pollard, Vlade, and Webber all fouled out was retarded.

There's also been a lot of "really bad calls" this season that went against teams Lakers were playing against towards the end of the season as they were making their push into the playoffs that have been compiled into videos on YouTube.
only a lakers fan would even debate that game 6 wasn't fixed. these guys are first lakers fans and then basketball fans. some of these are not even basketball fans at all.

[All Net]

It's good for Memphis now yeah.

[wakencdukest]

Jerry West wanted to rebuild and he did a damn fine job of it, the Pau trade allowed him to do so much, and got him a franchise center.

Not just a franchise center, but a player who loves the city of Memphis and has committed his future to it, which is really hard to find in the NBA for a small market team.


Jerry West was retired when that trade happened. That still won't stop the conspiracy theorist's from bitching. They can win 5 straight with Mark Gasol and it won't stop people from bitching about the Lakers. If the Lakers lost for the next 20 years people will still say Stern favors them, even though he was dead for ten.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Lakers would have improved their roster if they didn't get Pau and just got rid of Kwame :oldlol:

Chris Mihm? :roll:

[gasolina]

Um, that's what happens to all teams that try to rebuild:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:.

Grizzlies were utter garbage for 2-3 years BEFORE the trade happened anyways so what are you complaining about? Did you expect to be able to trade 18 PPG never won in the playoffs Pau Gasol and instantly become title contenders?:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

None of what you have now would be remotely possible if this trade wasn't made and Marc Gasol would be a Laker:rockon:
You're an idiot. 2-3 years before the trade the grizzlies were a decent team with who won 50 games. And by your logic, other teams shouldn't aspire to be better, and be content to mediocrity.

[chazzy]

And by your logic, other teams shouldn't aspire to be better, and be content to mediocrity.
Well, there's a fine line.. by bottoming out, they shed salary to take on Zbo's contract and had legit chances at great players in the draft, but blew it on OJ Mayo and Thabeet. They didn't have much upside keeping Pau or trading him for Ben Gordon etc

[alec613]

[/B]



Stern got The Lakers in the playoffs !!!!!! :wtf:


He got them to the playoffs just so he can milk some $$$$

If he wants to help the Lakers, he would've made the Lakers miss the playoffs, so that they can fire D'Antoni fast :D

[selrahc]

Marc Gasol was a throw in to the deal. The Memphis GM was obviously still friendly with Jerry West to agree to such a trade.

It gift wrapped LA with a franchise bigman in his prime for essentially Kwame Brown. LAL went to the Finals for the first 3 years with Gasol as Gasol made them by far the most talented team in the league during that stretch. The only team that could rival them was a healthy Boston team which proved it by destroying them in the 2008 Finals, but in the next two years they were too banged up and it was obvious no team had the talent on their roster to compete. The Lakers in those years were like the 2013 Miami Heat with the seperation between them and the rest of the league glaring. It was obvious they'd win the conference and the only question mark would be if Boston was healthy.

Are you really that dumb?

They did not trade Gasol for Kwame Brown. They traded Gasol for Kwame Brown's $9 million dollar expiring contract. Marc Gasol and the two first round draft picks were throw ins. To say that Gasol was "gifted" to the Lakers only shows your ignorance in the financial aspects of the NBA. The Grizzlies were going no where with Pau, and so they made a trade that gave them financial flexibility (which allowed them to sign Zach Randolph), 2 first round draft picks, and the rights to Marc.

The Hawks traded Joe Johnson to the Nets for Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Anthony Morrow, Jordan Williams and Deshawn Stevenson. An all star for a bunch of scrubs 3 of whom aren't even on the current Hawks roster. Are you going to claim that the Hawks owner is friends with the Nets owner and they gifted Johnson to the Nets? No, because it gave the Hawks financial flexibility to potentially sign Dwight Howard or some other free agent this summer.

[monkeypox]

The complaining is just idiotic. People act like Marc was a total unknown. The guy used to train at the Grizz facilities when he was in high school. He was a local star high school star in Memphis and fan favorite. He won awards as a highschool bball player and went on to win awards in Europe. Pau was telling everyone that Marc was going to be better than him. The Lakers FO was excited about nabbing him because he seemed like a better version of Pau Gasol with a better body for a big man.

Every team had a chance to get Pau but none of them did the work. They saw that the Grizz were weak and tried to low ball them and make them eat bad contracts. The team was in the middle of trying to sell so they wanted to decrease their contract load.

So who had a better contract than: 2nd largest expiring contract in the league, beloved local high school star and big man prospect from europe, and a young and cheap pg prospect that had been scouted by Jerry West. People that still complain about this are idiots.

[gasolina]

Joe Johnson
Are you really comparing a 7 foot power forward about to enter his prime with a shooting guard who's just went over the hill?

Also, sick and tired of people bringing up Zbo when NOBODY wanted him then. You could even say that the grizzlies getting good was just dumb luck. Nobody thought Marcand Zbo would be this good.

[selrahc]

Are you really comparing a 7 foot power forward about to enter his prime with a shooting guard who's just went over the hill?

Also, sick and tired of people bringing up Zbo when NOBODY wanted him then. You could even say that the grizzlies getting good was just dumb luck. Nobody thought Marcand Zbo would be this good.

Pau was about to enter his prime? He was in his 7th season averaging lowest stats of the past 3 seasons. He couldnt even lead his team to the playoffs for the past two years...

And that isnt the point about Zbo dipshit. They had the financial flexibility to sign whoever they wanted. They just happened to decide on Zbo.

[chazzy]

Isn't the end result what really matters?

[Nick Young]

Marc Gasol was a throw in to the deal. The Memphis GM was obviously still friendly with Jerry West to agree to such a trade.

It gift wrapped LA with a franchise bigman in his prime for essentially Kwame Brown. LAL went to the Finals for the first 3 years with Gasol as Gasol made them by far the most talented team in the league during that stretch. The only team that could rival them was a healthy Boston team which proved it by destroying them in the 2008 Finals, but in the next two years they were too banged up and it was obvious no team had the talent on their roster to compete. The Lakers in those years were like the 2013 Miami Heat with the seperation between them and the rest of the league glaring. It was obvious they'd win the conference and the only question mark would be if Boston was healthy.
To you, an outsider who knew nothing of spanish basketball, yes Marc Gasol was a throw in.

To people familiar with Spanish basketball, like the Memphis scouts for example, it was clear that a 20 year old 7'1 monster related to the greatest Spanish basketball player of all time dominating grown men professionals was going to become something great.

[selrahc]

Joe Johnson is far from Pau Gasol. During 08-10 Gasol was the best bigman in the NBA along with Dwight Howard and Dirk. A real difference maker. He had the best low post offensive game in the entire league. He was also in his 20s and was approaching his prime which made him even more valuable. A hall of Famer IN HIS PRIME. not some over the hill washed up dude that noone wants.

he was the best low post offensive game in the entire league and a real difference maker.... averaging 18 points and 8 rebounds and unable to get his team to the playoffs for 2 consecutive years... right

[Nick Young]

You're an idiot. 2-3 years before the trade the grizzlies were a decent team with who won 50 games. And by your logic, other teams shouldn't aspire to be better, and be content to mediocrity.
50 wins, swept in the playoffs over and over=decent to you?

[gasolina]

[QUOTE=selrahc]Pau was about to enter his prime? He was in his 7th season averaging lowest stats of the past 3 seasons. He couldnt even lead his team to the playoffs for the past two years...[QUOTE]
Lol did you really just type that? Same guy who averaged 19, 10, 3 and 1 his next 3 years as Laker? At least the 2nd biggest reason the Lakers got two more hardware?

Back to topic. Here are three articles (two of them from the Memphis Commercial Appeal) back in 2008. Marc Gasol couldn't even get a few lines in there to pacify angry fans.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/01/gasol-traded-lakers/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/02/gasol-for-what/
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heisleygasol060308

And these were the times the grizzly brass were trying to save face from that trade. Not one of them said "don't lose faith in us! We go his little brother, he's quite good too".

[Nick Young]

The complaining is just idiotic. People act like Marc was a total unknown. The guy used to train at the Grizz facilities when he was in high school. He was a local star high school star in Memphis and fan favorite. He won awards as a highschool bball player and went on to win awards in Europe. Pau was telling everyone that Marc was going to be better than him. The Lakers FO was excited about nabbing him because he seemed like a better version of Pau Gasol with a better body for a big man.

Every team had a chance to get Pau but none of them did the work. They saw that the Grizz were weak and tried to low ball them and make them eat bad contracts. The team was in the middle of trying to sell so they wanted to decrease their contract load.

So who had a better contract than: 2nd largest expiring contract in the league, beloved local high school star and big man prospect from europe, and a young and cheap pg prospect that had been scouted by Jerry West. People that still complain about this are idiots.
exactly.

[gasolina]

50 wins, swept in the playoffs over and over=decent to you?
As opposed to "utter garbage"?

[Nick Young]

I have a hard time imaging there being no better offer than Kwame Browns contract and throw in late round picks for a hall of famer yet to hit their prime.

Joe Johnson is far from Pau Gasol. During 08-10 Gasol was the best bigman in the NBA along with Dwight Howard and Dirk. A real difference maker. He had the best low post offensive game in the entire league. He was also in his 20s and was approaching his prime which made him even more valuable. A hall of Famer IN HIS PRIME. not some over the hill washed up dude that noone wants.

NOBODY knew Marc Gasol would be an all-star DPOY, I don't care if he "practiced at their facility". He was still raw and they wouldn't have been able to see anything special since his displays were public for all to see. Him turning into an all-star/DPOY is pure luck.
Stop rewriting history. DO YOU KNOW WHO TIM DUNCAN IS?:banghead:

[Kblaze8855]

There was nobody talking about Marc Gasol at the time and I mean laker fans and everyone else. He was a throw in. He ended up a good player. Doesnt make the trade at the time not be lopsided for the Lakers. He was a second rounder. A deep second rounder. A 24 year old deep second rounded. Him ending up a good player and being an all star at 28 or 29 doesnt mean he wasnt a throw in at the time. Like trading someone for low picks and then finding a diamond that was overlooked. Doesnt make you brilliant for trading for a late pick. It means you took something not highly valued and made something of it.

And lets not act like Gasol is a franchise player. Or that hes some youngster. Hes dead middle or late in his prime. Hes like 8-9 years older than Anthony Davis. They dont have a franchise center for then next decade. They have a very good center till....whenever.

Which is nice. I enjoy the same thing with Noah on the Bulls. But letsn ot make it more than it is.

The Lakers made 3 finals and won 2 rings with Gasol.

The Grizzlies went from ok to good...to...ok...back to good.

[Doranku]

There was nobody talking about Marc Gasol at the time and I mean laker fans and everyone else. He was a throw in. He ended up a good player. Doesnt make the trade at the time not be lopsided for the Lakers. He was a second rounder. A deep second rounder. A 24 year old deep second rounded. Him ending up a good player and being an all star at 28 or 29 doesnt mean he wasnt a throw in at the time. Like trading someone for low picks and then finding a diamond that was overlooked. Doesnt make you brilliant for trading for a late pick. It means you took something not highly valued and made something of it.

And lets not act like Gasol is a franchise player. Or that hes some youngster. Hes dead middle or late in his prime. Hes like 8-9 years older than Anthony Davis. They dont have a franchise center for then next decade. They have a very good center till....whenever.

Which is nice. I enjoy the same thing with Noah on the Bulls. But letsn ot make it more than it is.

The Lakers made 3 finals and won 2 rings with Gasol.

The Grizzlies went from ok to good...to...ok...back to good.

What does this have to do with anything?

The Lakers were the #1 seed in the West 35 games into the season before Gasol even got there. You act like when the trade was made, the two teams were comparable or something. The Lakers were much better, so it's obvious that after the trade, they're still going to be much better. :confusedshrug:

[gasolina]

Isn't the end result what really matters?
It is. And same reason I'm done with this thread.

A lot of people don't realize those few years after the thread was the worst of being a grizzly fan. It was really really bad. The end cannot always justify the means. Truth be told, we could've just traded Pau to any other team (preferrably to a fanbase who would appreciate him more) but sent him to the Lakers as a farewell gift for his service.

And the hardest part in all these, it wasn't the losing, it wasn't Kwame, it wasn't Darko, it was knowing that your team who's rebuilding right now, had the most inept front office, whos more interested in helping out other teams with their salary issues, than actually building a team that competes.

Should I give it a rest? Maybe I should, but I didn't start this thread. Ad maybe I do deserve to bitch about it. Look at my username, look at my join date, I've seen the worst.

[Doranku]

It is. And same reason I'm done with this thread.

A lot of people don't realize those few years after the thread was the worst of being a grizzly fan. It was really really bad. The end cannot always justify the means. Truth be told, we could've just traded Pau to any other team (preferrably to a fanbase who would appreciate him more) but sent him to the Lakers as a farewell gift for his service.

And the hardest part in all these, it wasn't the losing, it wasn't Kwame, it wasn't Darko, it was knowing that your team who's rebuilding right now, had the most inept front office, whos more interested in helping out other teams with their salary issues, than actually building a team that competes.

Should I give it a rest? Maybe I should, but I didn't start this thread. Ad maybe I do deserve to bitch about it. Look at my username, look at my join date, I've seen the worst.

What do you think rebuilding is? You'd rather have traded Pau for someone more comparable to his level at the time and remained a bottomfeeding 7/8 seed?

I don't understand. The rebuilding process for Memphis wasn't even that long. It takes some teams 5+ years to rebuild (look at the Cavs).

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm @ this board acting like 15mil+ expiring contract, future stud center in marc gasol and what was a good magic johnson-esque PG prospect in javaris crittendon aren't fair value for a guy that never won a single playoff game before

[Leviathon1121]

Avatar: Lakers

I doubt you've ever rooted for a team in the rebuilding process. The Lakers havn't been in there since the early 90s. And the years the Lakers missed the playoffs recently, they still had Kobe so there was still a reason to watch.

Wait til your team misses the playoffs for a few years with no iconic player on the roster, and then let me know how it feels.

They will be gifted Lebron James for Jodie Meeks or something similar before that happens.

[Nick Young]

There was nobody talking about Marc Gasol at the time and I mean laker fans and everyone else. He was a throw in. He ended up a good player. Doesnt make the trade at the time not be lopsided for the Lakers. He was a second rounder. A deep second rounder. A 24 year old deep second rounded. Him ending up a good player and being an all star at 28 or 29 doesnt mean he wasnt a throw in at the time. Like trading someone for low picks and then finding a diamond that was overlooked. Doesnt make you brilliant for trading for a late pick. It means you took something not highly valued and made something of it.

And lets not act like Gasol is a franchise player. Or that hes some youngster. Hes dead middle or late in his prime. Hes like 8-9 years older than Anthony Davis. They dont have a franchise center for then next decade. They have a very good center till....whenever.

Which is nice. I enjoy the same thing with Noah on the Bulls. But letsn ot make it more than it is.

The Lakers made 3 finals and won 2 rings with Gasol.

The Grizzlies went from ok to good...to...ok...back to good.
How do you know this? Are you an NBA scout? Do you converse with NBA and Euroleague scouts? Were you a part of the Memphis scouting organization? Were you present at the trials and workouts Marc Gasol went through with the Grizz growing up? Did you watch Marc at his highschool games? Did you watch his MVP year in Spain?


Loads of people were talking about him. Just not casual fans.

You're telling me that no one thought a 20 year old 7'1 250 pound monster brother of an NBA star just went completely under the radar and scouts knew nothing about his domination of professional grown man spanish ballers in Spain?

You sound so ignorant.

[Nick Young]

It is. And same reason I'm done with this thread.

A lot of people don't realize those few years after the thread was the worst of being a grizzly fan. It was really really bad. The end cannot always justify the means. Truth be told, we could've just traded Pau to any other team (preferrably to a fanbase who would appreciate him more) but sent him to the Lakers as a farewell gift for his service.

And the hardest part in all these, it wasn't the losing, it wasn't Kwame, it wasn't Darko, it was knowing that your team who's rebuilding right now, had the most inept front office, whos more interested in helping out other teams with their salary issues, than actually building a team that competes.

Should I give it a rest? Maybe I should, but I didn't start this thread. Ad maybe I do deserve to bitch about it. Look at my username, look at my join date, I've seen the worst.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

How can you call your front office inept? Look at the brilliant team they put together within 3 years of the Pau trade! You are the ingrate here.

When most teams rebuild it doesn't pan out like it did with Memphis. Look at the Blazers, Detroit, Sac Town etc former great powers that have been garbage and "rebuilding" for damn near a decade now. You are so lucky to have the front office that you do. Memphis now currently has the best team that they ever had in their history-YES MUCH BETTER THEN THE VERY BEST PAU GASOL TEAMS. They have actually won a playoff series for one thing, something Pau has never done

[Kblaze8855]

How do you know this? Are you an NBA scout? Do you converse with NBA and Euroleague scouts? Were you a part of the Memphis scouting organization? Were you present at the trials and workouts Marc Gasol went through with the Grizz growing up? Did you watch Marc at his highschool games? Did you watch his MVP year in Spain?


Loads of people were talking about him. Just not casual fans.



You're telling me that no one thought a 20 year old 7'1 250 pound monster brother of an NBA star just went completely under the radar and scouts knew nothing about his domination of professional grown man spanish ballers in Spain?

Im telling you that he was drafted 48th...which is enough to show that 47 times teams with international scouts(all of them) decided he wasnt the way to go. One of them being Memphis. Teams were trading guys who never did anything for higher picks than Gasol was taken. Every team has players a team will swap a #40 pick for.

Did they?

They had the #4 pick. If he was such a sure fire sleeper star...they knew nobody would take him that high.

Clearly they valued him less than Conley.

IF they were so certian he was a star in waiting and they already had his brother....

Why not take Marc? Or trade a nobody for a #45 pick? Think the clippers beat them over the head for the right to Jared Jordan? Hornets too set on Adam Haluska to come off that pick so they could get Gasol?


You said one thing im sure of. Im quite sure he name was known. Everyone was was ever drafted....their name is known and someone looked into them.

Someone thinks everyone is worthwhile. Doesnt mean there is no such thing as a throw in that isnt much considered.

Memphis had every chance to get Gasol if they knew he was a star in waiting.

They chose not to.

They got him...in addition to an expiring contract...which is what they did valued.

They had 47 chances to get Gasol one of them their own pick.

They decided not to. But you tell me they knew he was a star.

Sound right to you?



You sound so ignorant.

Your approval means the world to me. Really.

It does.

You are someone who doesnt act like a jackass 95% of the time....and I really really want you to like me.

[SilkkTheShocker]

It was always a stupid trade. The Grizzlies got lucky more than anything that Marc Gasol improved so much. The guy was an overweight 2nd round pick. Yet people like to use revisionist history to act like he was a for sure stud. The Grizzlies got bullied into making the trade, play and simple.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Im telling you that he was drafted 48th...which is enough to show that 47 times teams with international scouts(all of them) decided he wasnt the way to go. One of them being Memphis. Teams were trading guys who never did anything for higher picks than Gasol was taken. Every team has players a team will swap a #40 pick for.

Did they?

They had the #4 pick. If he was such a sure fire sleeper star...they knew nobody would take him that high.

Clearly they valued him less than Conley.

IF they were so certian he was a star in waiting and they already had his brother....

Why not take Marc? Or trade a nobody for a #45 pick? Think the clippers beat them over the head for the right to Jared Jordan? Hornets too set on Adam Haluska to come off that pick so they could get Gasol?


You said one thing im sure of. Im quite sure he name was known. Everyone was was ever drafted....their name is known and someone looked into them.

Someone thinks everyone is worthwhile. Doesnt mean there is no such thing as a throw in that isnt much considered.

Memphis had every chance to get Gasol if they knew he was a star in waiting.

They chose not to.

They got him...in addition to an expiring contract...which is what they did valued.

They had 47 chances to get Gasol one of them their own pick.

They decided not to. But you tell me they knew he was a star.

Sound right to you?



Your approval means the world to me. Really.

It does.

You are someone who doesnt act like a jackass 95% of the time....and I really really want you to like me.

Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace was not available to comment. But earlier this month he said Gasol would have been a lottery pick in the '08 draft.
"He was drafted 48th by the Lakers last year, but if he was in the draft this season he'd be deep in the lottery," Wallace said. "He's one of the elite players in Europe."


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/marty_burns/07/01/gasol/?eref=si_nba#ixzz2RKMru7jr

:confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

Which again begs the question....

IF they knew he was a star and nobody wanted him....

Why wasnt he on Memphis already?

Are they idiots? Dont want a star they knew about and nobody else saw?

Didnt think they had the pieces to trade for a top 50 pick?

What?

They know hes special.

There are 47 picks before hes taken one of them their own.

How if they know hes special...is he not on Memphis from day one?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Which again begs the question....

IF they knew he was a star and nobody wanted him....

Why wasnt he on Memphis already?

Are they idiots? Dont want a star they knew about and nobody else saw?

Didnt think they had the pieces to trade for a top 50 pick?

What?

They know hes special.

There are 47 picks before hes taken one of them their own.

How if they know hes special...is he not on Memphis from day one?

There was a year gap between when he was drafted and when he was traded in which his stock rose

Won the EuroChallenge Championship (2007)
Won the Catalan Tournament (2007)
Spanish ACB League MVP (2008)

You seem angry that the Lakers made a good draft pick. The Grizzlies GM noticed his improvement as well calling him a lottery pick equivalent. He wasn't a mindless throw in. Old articles couldn't make this more clear. I don't know why you would prefer to stick to baseless mythology when the words coming out of the guy mouth who actually made the trade prove otherwise.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Was this really the best deal out there? And why make it now, three weeks before the trading deadline?

"Well, we've been trolling these waters for a while, we've dealt with a number of teams and I didn't see that it would get any better than this," Wallace told ESPN.com Friday night in a telephone interview. "We got what was pretty much the biggest expiring contract out there [Kwame Brown], a player we like in Javaris Crittendon, two No. 1 picks and Pau Gasol's brother [Marc Gasol], who we think would be a high No. 1 pick if he came out this year instead of last year.

"So we're looking at it like we're getting four No. 1 picks," Wallace said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=3226776

[Nick Young]

Im telling you that he was drafted 48th...which is enough to show that 47 times teams with international scouts(all of them) decided he wasnt the way to go. One of them being Memphis. Teams were trading guys who never did anything for higher picks than Gasol was taken. Every team has players a team will swap a #40 pick for.

Did they?

They had the #4 pick. If he was such a sure fire sleeper star...they knew nobody would take him that high.

Clearly they valued him less than Conley.

IF they were so certian he was a star in waiting and they already had his brother....

Why not take Marc? Or trade a nobody for a #45 pick? Think the clippers beat them over the head for the right to Jared Jordan? Hornets too set on Adam Haluska to come off that pick so they could get Gasol?


You said one thing im sure of. Im quite sure he name was known. Everyone was was ever drafted....their name is known and someone looked into them.

Someone thinks everyone is worthwhile. Doesnt mean there is no such thing as a throw in that isnt much considered.

Memphis had every chance to get Gasol if they knew he was a star in waiting.

They chose not to.

They got him...in addition to an expiring contract...which is what they did valued.

They had 47 chances to get Gasol one of them their own pick.

They decided not to. But you tell me they knew he was a star.

Sound right to you?



Your approval means the world to me. Really.

It does.

You are someone who doesnt act like a jackass 95% of the time....and I really really want you to like me.
When he was drafted, he was overweight and couldn't shoot. A year or two later he goes pro in spain and starts working out and working on a shot. Withing a year he is bombing threes and having an MVP year in the second best pro-league in the world. That is why Memphis didn't draft him at the time most likely. But then he turned his weaknesses into strengths and Memphis wanted him.

So YES, Marc had big question marks being drafted, but he got rid of and answered them all in a year.

So at the time of being drafted he was low value. At the time of the Grizzlies trade he had proved the doubts wrong, gained shooting ability in just one year of work and dominating pros in the second best league in the world, and got in to shape.

Manu Ginobili was drafted second round. Sam Bowie was drafted ahead of Jordan. Gilbert Arenas was drafted second round. Sometimes scouts get it wrong. Just because all scouts get something wrong, it doesn't mean this was a ripoff trade.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Which again begs the question....

IF they knew he was a star and nobody wanted him....

Why wasnt he on Memphis already?

Are they idiots? Dont want a star they knew about and nobody else saw?

Didnt think they had the pieces to trade for a top 50 pick?

What?

They know hes special.

There are 47 picks before hes taken one of them their own.

How if they know hes special...is he not on Memphis from day one?


Kwame Brown was taken #1 in the draft..

Every team after #1 would have taken him if he was available..

GM's are sometime wrong, there are a # of reasons that teams passed on Gasol, 1 he wasn't ready to contribute right away, 2 he wasn't going to come over for a couple years

When this trade went down JVG said Gasol was the steal of the draft & would make this trade seem resonable within a few years..

There have been PLENTY of players who were picked late or in the 2nd round & ended up being good to great NBA players..


Memphis got ride of PAU, who wanted out anyways, he was being paid like a 1st option but they weren't going ANYWHERE with him as the centerpiece of that team.

They got back a 2nd round pick who had loads of potential & an NBA pedigree, he just wasn't ready yet and wasn't coming over for a year or 2. Most NBA insiders at the time thought this was a very clever move for Mephis & guess what it worked out..


Anybody saying this trade was a rip off is just ignorant, they either don't realize that A) Pau wanted out B) Memphis wanted Pau out C) Memphis wanted to clear cap space or D) Mephis got 2 good prospects & loads of cap reliefe with the move.

Guess what, D12 got traded for arron affolo & a bunch of prospects & cap space.. and D12 in ORL is twice the player Gasol ever was in Memphis..

Gasol got traded for a few prospects, picks & cap space..

[Kblaze8855]

I dont care about the lakers trade. Ive never said the league is rigged for the lakers or anything of the sort. But this:



You're telling me that no one thought a 20 year old 7'1 250 pound monster brother of an NBA star just went completely under the radar and scouts knew nothing about his domination of professional grown man spanish ballers in Spain?

....which appears to be talking about 2005 or 2006....makes no sense.

If they know of this 20 year old "monster" who came up in Memphis, played with his brother, and other Grizzly players....and know hes a star in waiting.

How the hell do they let 47 picks go by without making a move to get him?

It was painfully obvious then and now...Pau was traded for cap relief.

Marc Gasol being a good(but not great) player years down the line does not mean it wasnt Pau for an expiring deal...Kwame Brown.

You didnt have hall of fame universally respect coaches like Pop saying things like this:


“What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension,” said Popovich. “There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I’d like to elect myself to that committee. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade.”

....otherwise.

All this Marc Gasol shit is straight up rewriting history.

Marc Gasol was a prospect....one Memphis passed on taking for nothing after they knew about him since he was what? 12? 13?

It was a Pau for cap space deal. Marc was a prospect thrown in. A prospect who has ended up...Elden Campbell. Or a notch and a half up from Olden Polynice.

That hes the big "Aha!" in all this years later is a little funny.

[Nick Young]

Was this really the best deal out there? And why make it now, three weeks before the trading deadline?

"Well, we've been trolling these waters for a while, we've dealt with a number of teams and I didn't see that it would get any better than this," Wallace told ESPN.com Friday night in a telephone interview. "We got what was pretty much the biggest expiring contract out there [Kwame Brown], a player we like in Javaris Crittendon, two No. 1 picks and Pau Gasol's brother [Marc Gasol], who we think would be a high No. 1 pick if he came out this year instead of last year.

"So we're looking at it like we're getting four No. 1 picks," Wallace said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=3226776
Pau only wanted to go to a contender. Memphis wanted expirers. Lakers had best offer and Kwame was the biggest contract expiring.

[Nick Young]

All this Marc Gasol shit is straight up rewriting history.


Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace was not available to comment. But earlier this month he said Gasol would have been a lottery pick in the '08 draft.
"He was drafted 48th by the Lakers last year, but if he was in the draft this season he'd be deep in the lottery," Wallace said. "He's one of the elite players in Europe."


Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/marty_burns/07/01/gasol/?eref=si_nba#ixzz2RKMru7jr

:confusedshrug:

No kblaze, you are just uninformed and seem unable to comprehend that a young player's draft stock can rapidly rise in a year if he works hard on improving his game.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I dont care about the lakers trade. Ive never said the league is rigged for the lakers or anything of the sort. But this:



....which appears to be talking about 2005 or 2006....makes no sense.

If they know of this 20 year old "monster" who came up in Memphis, played with his brother, and other Grizzly players....and know hes a star in waiting.

How the hell do they let 47 picks go by without making a move to get him?

It was painfully obvious then and now...Pau was traded for cap relief.

Marc Gasol being a good(but not great) player years down the line does not mean it wasnt Pau for an expiring deal...Kwame Brown.

You didnt have hall of fame universally respect coaches like Pop saying things like this:



....otherwise.

All this Marc Gasol shit is straight up rewriting history.

Marc Gasol was a prospect....one Memphis passed on taking for nothing after they knew about him since he was what? 12? 13?

It was a Pau for cap space deal. Marc was a prospect thrown in. A prospect who has ended up...Elden Campbell. Or a notch and a half up from Olden Polynice.

That hes the big "Aha!" in all this years later is a little funny.

So when Chris Wallace said the following about Marc Gasol..

"who we think would be a high No. 1 pick if he came out this year instead of last year."

What exactly do you think he means?

Popovich was man enough to admit he was wrong:

"They gave up a great player but it helped them extend the franchise's success into the future," Popovich said. "It's shown that they've done a good job. Whatever they were thinking a couple of iterations ahead at the time has paid off for them."

Are you?

[Kblaze8855]

I wasnt saying a word about Marc Gasol at the time to be wrong about. The only thing I can find on me mentioning the guy is from 4 years ago when the issue was him being top 5 in 3 years:


Less than 3 years? So in 2 years Gasol will at least be better than all but 3 of these people with Durant taking up the other spot in the top 5?

Lebron
Wade
Kobe
Paul
Howard
Deron Williams
Al Jefferson
Dirk
Amare
Yao
Roy
Melo

Not to mention Rose, Mayo, and Gordon who could easily improve at a similar or greater rate than Gasol while probably being better than he is right now.

Eh. I see no evidence to suggest it. He looked good when I saw him....but not "Better than Chris Paul and Dwight Howard in 2 years" good.


And every player I listed who isnt still better than him is injured.

I said the trade was for Kwame Browns contract which nobody argued with for years....and quotes in here make obvious as well.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I wasnt saying a word about Marc Gasol at the time to be wrong about. The only thing I can find on me mentioning the guy is from 4 years ago when the issue was him being top 5 in 3 years:




And every player I listed who isnt still better than him is injured.

I said the trade was for Kwame Browns contract which nobody argued with for years....and quotes in here make obvious as well.

The Grizzlies GM argued otherwise, you just were not paying attention.

"We got what was pretty much the biggest expiring contract out there [Kwame Brown], a player we like in Javaris Crittendon, two No. 1 picks and Pau Gasol's brother [Marc Gasol], who we think would be a high No. 1 pick if he came out this year instead of last year.

There is no shame in not being an all world NBA scout but there is shame in stubbornly sticking to your original stance in face of mounting heaps of evidence.

[Kblaze8855]

I say the trade is pretty much for an expiring deal...first thing he says is they got the biggest expiring deal they could...and because he later mentions a player he had every chance to get but did not....that means Marc was not an extra?

He just mentioned everything they got. Expiring deal first.

People were in an uproar...because Gasol was traded for Kwame browns deal.

which is exactly what happened. The extra players/picks were not the meal. Kwame was.

Which is why everyone from legendary oahes to, media, to fans online said it was Pau for Kwame.

Marc later being useful means little.

I know what I need to know about Memphis opinion on Gasol. They let 47 picks go by without taking him....when they knew him since he was a teenager.

That a year later they think he improved in europe does not mean they were not just looking for the biggest expiring deal. The first words in your quote from the guy said it. Had they used one of the picks they got as well on a potential star that wouldnt change that it was Kwame for Pau either.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I say the trade is pretty much for an expiring deal...first thing he says is they got the biggest expiring deal they could...and because he later mentions a player he had every chance to get but did not....that means Marc was not an extra?

He just mentioned everything they got. Expiring deal first.

People were in an uproar...because Gasol was traded for Kwame browns deal.

which is exactly what happened. The extra players/picks were not the meal. Kwame was.

Which is why everyone from legendary oahes to, media, to fans online said it was Pau for Kwame.

Marc later being useful means little.

I know what I need to know about Memphis opinion on Gasol. They let 47 picks go by without taking him....when they knew him since he was a teenager.

That a year later they think he improved in europe does not mean they were not just looking for the biggest expiring deal. The first words in your quote from the guy said it. Had they used one of the picks they got as well on a potential star that wouldnt change that it was Kwame for Pau either.

Marc was not an extra ("throw in") because the GM who acquired him publicly stated he was a lottery pick talent if he was in this year's draft.

Aaron Mckee on the other hand was a throw in.

Just because he spoke of Kwame Brown's contract first doesn't mean you are supposed to cover your eyes and stop reading the the remaining 80% of his comments. :confusedshrug:

[ZenMaster]

I dont care about the lakers trade. Ive never said the league is rigged for the lakers or anything of the sort. But this:



....which appears to be talking about 2005 or 2006....makes no sense.

If they know of this 20 year old "monster" who came up in Memphis, played with his brother, and other Grizzly players....and know hes a star in waiting.

How the hell do they let 47 picks go by without making a move to get him?

It was painfully obvious then and now...Pau was traded for cap relief.

Marc Gasol being a good(but not great) player years down the line does not mean it wasnt Pau for an expiring deal...Kwame Brown.

You didnt have hall of fame universally respect coaches like Pop saying things like this:



....otherwise.

All this Marc Gasol shit is straight up rewriting history.

Marc Gasol was a prospect....one Memphis passed on taking for nothing after they knew about him since he was what? 12? 13?

It was a Pau for cap space deal. Marc was a prospect thrown in. A prospect who has ended up...Elden Campbell. Or a notch and a half up from Olden Polynice.

That hes the big "Aha!" in all this years later is a little funny.

It's only rewriting YOUR perception of history.

As mentioned in this thread Marc made huge strides in 07-08, it doesn't matter what he looked like at age 13 when by the 08 Olympics it was clear Marc was going to be a very good NBA player.
Go back and watch the film, it was clear all he had to do was cut some weight, he had the fundamentals and the vision for the game.

[TheBigVeto]

Both teams benefited. Both teams got exactly what they wanted and needed.

Lakers became immediate contenders, Grizz got capspace to sign zach randolph, draft picks, and Marc Gasol their current franchise center and DPoTY.


At the time of the Pau trade idiots were saying it was a Stern manufactured trade for the Lakers. Some idiot fans are still saying that.

Many idiots say "No one knew Marc Gasol would be this good, so it's still a shit trade".

Grizzlies scouts apparently knew, Marc Gasol played highschool ball in memphis, grew up around the organization, loved the city of Memphis, and was having an MVP year in the Spanish league as a 20 year old at the time of the trade. He was 7'1 and 250 pounds. Any idiot could guess that a 20 year old giant 7 footer with an elite post game and passing and dominating professionals in the best league in Europe was going to be good in the NBA as well.

Get over it. Both teams won in this trade. It is probably one of the best two sided trades ever if you think about it. What other trades can you think of where both teams got exactly what they wanted?

Don't let the pathetic hatred of others cloud your judgement. To all anti-Lakers sinners, repent for your sins.

Stern proved that he doesn't favor the Lakers when he vetoed the CP3 trade.

:wtf: :facepalm
Retarded post from ******* user.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh600/Rodman2124/kobeclutch.gif

[Kblaze8855]

Everyone who is not the purpose of a trade is an extra. If they traded Pau for some lesser expiring deal because it comes with some prospect they covet...thats one thing. When the GM says "We got the biggest expiring deal" its obvious what they were after. Memphis was looking to send Gasol out to clear space for a long time.

Laker fans were calling me out for saying id rather the Bulls trade for Gasol instead of Kobe when Kobe was demanding out....even though I was saying it because we needed a bigman...and Gasol wouldnt cost so much.

They didnt take a deal for talent...they took a deal for cutting cap. which is exactly what every single person said at the time...its the first thing the GM said it seems.

Its why Pop and others were outraged.

It was not Pau for Marc. It was Pau for Kwame...and I think two picks, Marc, and whoever else.

Marc may be the best of the extras....but hes an extra. Kwames expiring deal was the purpose of the trade....and nobody said anything else. Well people said it was a conspiracy....but thats a whole other thing.

[Nick Young]

I say the trade is pretty much for an expiring deal...first thing he says is they got the biggest expiring deal they could...and because he later mentions a player he had every chance to get but did not....that means Marc was not an extra?

He just mentioned everything they got. Expiring deal first.

People were in an uproar...because Gasol was traded for Kwame browns deal.

which is exactly what happened. The extra players/picks were not the meal. Kwame was.

Which is why everyone from legendary oahes to, media, to fans online said it was Pau for Kwame.

Marc later being useful means little.

I know what I need to know about Memphis opinion on Gasol. They let 47 picks go by without taking him....when they knew him since he was a teenager.

That a year later they think he improved in europe does not mean they were not just looking for the biggest expiring deal. The first words in your quote from the guy said it. Had they used one of the picks they got as well on a potential star that wouldnt change that it was Kwame for Pau either.
Everyone thought he improved. That's why he won the ACB league MVP award that year, fool.

Scrubs don't win ACB league MVP awards.

[Kblaze8855]

It's only rewriting YOUR perception of history.

As mentioned in this thread Marc made huge strides in 07-08, it doesn't matter what he looked like at age 13 when by the 08 Olympics it was clear Marc was going to be a very good NBA player.
Go back and watch the film, it was clear all he had to do was cut some weight, he had the fundamentals and the vision for the game.


Which....people who knew him since he was a kid would know better than anyone right? Which...a franchise led by his big brother who moved him there to play ball down the street would know...right? Which people with scouts in europe who already know the kid would know.....right?

I never said I knew Marc Gasol. I said the Grizzlies did.

They knew him better than anyone...and didnt take him with 47 chances.

I do not take that to mean they thought he was a fair trade for Pau Gasol. I take that to mean they were not awfully impressed by what they knew.

That he improved isnt in question.

What Memphis wanted to get back for Pau is.

What they wanted was Kwames expiring deal.

That is history.

Anything else is a revision.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Everyone who is not the purpose of a trade is an extra. If they traded Pau for some lesser expiring deal because it comes with some prospect they covet...thats one thing. When the GM says "We got the biggest expiring deal" its obvious what they were after. Memphis was looking to send Gasol out to clear space for a long time.

Laker fans were calling me out for saying id rather the Bulls trade for Gasol instead of Kobe when Kobe was demanding out....even though I was saying it because we needed a bigman...and Gasol wouldnt cost so much.

They didnt take a deal for talent...they took a deal for cutting cap. which is exactly what every single person said at the time...its the first thing the GM said it seems.

Its why Pop and others were outraged.

It was not Pau for Marc. It was Pau for Kwame...and I think two picks, Marc, and whoever else.

Marc may be the best of the extras....but hes an extra. Kwames expiring deal was the purpose of the trade....and nobody said anything else. Well people said it was a conspiracy....but thats a whole other thing.

The purpose of the trade was the same as is every star player trade. Picks, matching expiring contracts and young talent. Nothing is "extra". It's all in there for a reason. That's why they call it a trade package. :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's only rewriting YOUR perception of history.



exactly

[Kblaze8855]

Everyone thought he improved. That's why he won the ACB league MVP award that year, fool.

Scrubs don't win ACB league MVP awards.

A 35 year old former CBA player who was cut by the Hawks in 2001 just did. Not that that has anything to do with Gasol. I just thought it was funny considering your usual comments on european basketball.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Which....people who knew him since he was a kid would know better than anyone right? Which...a franchise led by his big brother who moved him there to play ball down the street would know...right? Which people with scouts in europe who already know the kid would know.....right?


That he improved isnt in question.

What Memphis wanted to get back for Pau is.

What they wanted was Kwames expiring deal.

That is history.

Anything else is a revision.


How can you keep regurgitating this same nonsense when you've been provided with multiple links & quotes from the Grizzlies FO about how excited they were that they got Gasol in that trade?

He says Kwame was the biggest expiring contract available, that's the only reason Kwame was involved..to match salaries.. The meat & bones of this trade was the 2 1st round picks, Gasol & Jarvaris

[Kblaze8855]

The purpose of the trade was the same as is every star player trade. Picks, matching expiring contracts and young talent. Nothing is "extra". It's all in there for a reason. That's why they call it a trade package.

If we are at the point that you are gonna pretend that every aspect of a trade is equal in value in the eyes of the teams I dont see the point.

Trades have a goal. That goal is often met while also getting extra pieces. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. Kwames deal was why they did the trade...you can pretend not to know that...or that everyone in a trade is equal...I dont believe you believe it.

[ZenMaster]

Which....people who knew him since he was a kid would know better than anyone right? Which...a franchise led by his big brother who moved him there to play ball down the street would know...right? Which people with scouts in europe who already know the kid would know.....right?

I never said I knew Marc Gasol. I said the Grizzlies did.

They knew him better than anyone...and didnt take him with 47 chances.

I do not take that to mean they thought he was a fair trade for Pau Gasol. I take that to mean they were not awfully impressed by what they knew.

That he improved isnt in question.

What Memphis wanted to get back for Pau is.

What they wanted was Kwames expiring deal.

That is history.

Anything else is a revision.


He was drafted before he showed Spanish MVP level play, he was traded during the year he made his huge improvement.

He was good talent when he was traded, way better talent than when he was drafted, add him to the expiring contract and it was a pretty good trade.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He was drafted before he showed Spanish MVP level play, he was traded during the year he made his huge improvement.

He was good talent when he was traded, way better talent than when he was drafted, add him to the expiring contract and it was a pretty good trade.


he doesn't understand that Kwame was the only expiring contract that was big enough to match up with Gasols and that LA was the only team that had a combination of an expiring contract & prospects that Memphis was interested in.

Kwame was only included to match up salaries, Gasol, Javaris & those two 1st rounders were the meat of the trade

[Kblaze8855]

How can you keep regurgitating this same nonsense when you've been provided with multiple links & quotes from the Grizzlies FO about how excited they were that they got Gasol in that trade?

He says Kwame was the biggest expiring contract available, that's the only reason Kwame was involved..to match salaries.. The meat & bones of this trade was the 2 1st round picks, Gasol & Jarvaris

Sure. Kwame was just filler to get Marc Gasol, a nobody, and 2 late picks. Kwames deal itself wasnt the point. Thats exactly what people were saying for 50 pages when it happened:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73827


The entire sports world were not calling it Kwame for Pau for nothing. Coaches were not talking starting panels to overturn trades because it was Pau for Marc.

Some people...just decided years later...that the entire 2-3 months of coverage and much more before that...on why Memphis was looking to trade Pau...what they wanted...why several deals for more talent wouldnt meet their plans...

Like all that didnt happen. Like we didnt sit here for months reading about the situation. Like I as a Bulls fan didnt get my hopes up only to read article after article on how Memphis isnt taking money back so guys like Deng arent options.

Its revisionist history at its best.

[Kblaze8855]

He was drafted before he showed Spanish MVP level play, he was traded during the year he made his huge improvement.

He was good talent when he was traded, way better talent than when he was drafted, add him to the expiring contract and it was a pretty good trade.

I have no problem with any of that.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

If we are at the point that you are gonna pretend that every aspect of a trade is equal in value in the eyes of the teams I dont see the point.

Trades have a goal. That goal is often met while also getting extra pieces. Sometimes good. Sometimes bad. Kwames deal was why they did the trade...you can pretend not to know that...or that everyone in a trade is equal...I dont believe you believe it.

No I'm arguing that Marc Gasol was highly valued by the Grizzlies when they traded for him. If they just wanted Kwame they could have had him a long time ago. I don't why they even bothered to ask for a "lottery pick" and three additional first rounders if all they wanted was Kwame.

Every big salary player on a rebuilding team needs a big expiring counterpart to make the trade physically work but that's not the sole reason why a trade is made. The Lakers didn't trade Shaq only to get Brian Grant's sweet contract.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sure. Kwame was just filler to get Marc Gasol, a nobody, and 2 late picks. Kwames deal itself wasnt the point. Thats exactly what people were saying for 50 pages when it happened:



The whole point of the trade was to clear cap space, they weren't going after ANYBODY.

They were simply looking for a team who was not only willing to take on Gasol's contract, but also had an expiring contract that would come off the books in the off season.

The Lakers were the ONLY team who had those 2 things. What do you not understand?

Pau wanted out, Memphis wanted out of Gasol's contract. Memphis FO was smart enough to get a few prospects and draft picks from the Lakers as well. This trade was LITERALLY everything that Memphis was looking for.

The Lakers already had a young developing center (Bynum) and was about to bring in Gasol, they felt OK with letting a good prospect in Marc Gasol go.

[Kblaze8855]

They didnt want Kwame at all...just his deal.

And Shaq is a whole other story. I must have read 50 "insider" stories on that. The list of teams he would go to. The demand that they keep Wade or he wouldnt sign when the initial deal was Grant and Wade for him.

Shaq was traded to give Kobe to the Lakers and if possible...give him some help during the rebuild. They got Odom and Caron Butler. Grant was to match salaries. But that whole thing...unique.

Grizzlies wanted a big expiring deal....Kwame was that. If they just wanted to match his contract they could have done that with 20 teams. They could not however get...as the GM put it...the biggest expiring deal in the NBA....from every team.

Do I believe they could piece together some combo of player who combine to expire?

Yes.

Do I believe they had to know Gasol better than anyone?

Yes.

Did eveything that came out at the time...including the GMs words...make it obvious they wanted Kwames deal? And that that was the centerpiece? Yes.

I doubt a word of it would have been argued at the time. But thats how time works.

[Kblaze8855]

The whole point of the trade was to clear cap space, they weren't going after ANYBODY.

They were simply looking for a team who was not only willing to take on Gasol's contract, but also had an expiring contract that would come off the books in the off season.

The Lakers were the ONLY team who had those 2 things. What do you not understand?

Pau wanted out, Memphis wanted out of Gasol's contract. Memphis FO was smart enough to get a few prospects and draft picks from the Lakers as well. This trade was LITERALLY everything that Memphis was looking for.

The Lakers already had a young developing center (Bynum) and was about to bring in Gasol, they felt OK with letting a good prospect in Marc Gasol go.


Never...and I mean in 10+ years...has anyone so clearly agreed with me but somehow worded it like an argument.

[Nick Young]

Sure. Kwame was just filler to get Marc Gasol, a nobody, and 2 late picks. Kwames deal itself wasnt the point. Thats exactly what people were saying for 50 pages when it happened:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73827


The entire sports world were not calling it Kwame for Pau for nothing. Coaches were not talking starting panels to overturn trades because it was Pau for Marc.

Some people...just decided years later...that the entire 2-3 months of coverage and much more before that...on why Memphis was looking to trade Pau...what they wanted...why several deals for more talent wouldnt meet their plans...

Like all that didnt happen. Like we didnt sit here for months reading about the situation. Like I as a Bulls fan didnt get my hopes up only to read article after article on how Memphis isnt taking money back so guys like Deng arent options.

Its revisionist history at its best.

Do you understand the concept of a package deal?

Grizz wanted prospects picks and expirers.

Teams offered.

Lakers had the biggest expirer and offered some prospects the Grizz wanted.

It's not like they really wanted Kwame and only accepted MG33 as a throw in. They wanted the whole thing.

ALSO Pau only wanted to play for a contender and Grizzles wanted to honor his wishes due to years of service he gave to the franchise.

No contending team was willing to offer a fat expiring contract like Kwame's combined with prospects and talented picks like the Lakers.

The Bulls package would have been garbage. Luol Deng or Ben Gordon? Now that would have been a complete highway robbery ripoff.

You were wrong about the trade at the time, the media was wrong and even Popovich was wrong about the trade and admitted as much after getting destroyed in the first round by the Grizz.


Both teams benefited from the trade and got exactly what they wanted.

/thread

[monkeypox]

Marc wasn't just a throw in. The Lakers tried whatever they could to keep Marc but Memphis insisted. While cap room may have been their primary goal, Marc wasn't just a random throw in. He was cheap future talent they could build on.

[Euroleague]

Marc Gasol is nowhere near to as good as Pau Gasol. Anyone saying otherwise sure the hell has very little basketball knowledge.

That's still a ridiculous trade.

[Euroleague]

Both teams benefited. Both teams got exactly what they wanted and needed.

Lakers became immediate contenders, Grizz got capspace to sign zach randolph, draft picks, and Marc Gasol their current franchise center and DPoTY.


At the time of the Pau trade idiots were saying it was a Stern manufactured trade for the Lakers. Some idiot fans are still saying that.

Many idiots say "No one knew Marc Gasol would be this good, so it's still a shit trade".

Grizzlies scouts apparently knew, Marc Gasol played highschool ball in memphis, grew up around the organization, loved the city of Memphis, and was having an MVP year in the Spanish league as a 20 year old at the time of the trade. He was 7'1 and 250 pounds. Any idiot could guess that a 20 year old giant 7 footer with an elite post game and passing and dominating professionals in the best league in Europe was going to be good in the NBA as well.

Get over it. Both teams won in this trade. It is probably one of the best two sided trades ever if you think about it. What other trades can you think of where both teams got exactly what they wanted?

Don't let the pathetic hatred of others cloud your judgement. To all anti-Lakers sinners, repent for your sins.

Stern proved that he doesn't favor the Lakers when he vetoed the CP3 trade.

When the hell did the Spanish League become better than the Euroleague?

[selrahc]

he doesn't understand that Kwame was the only expiring contract that was big enough to match up with Gasols and that LA was the only team that had a combination of an expiring contract & prospects that Memphis was interested in.

Kwame was only included to match up salaries, Gasol, Javaris & those two 1st rounders were the meat of the trade

i dont think you understand the value of expiring contracts

[Nick Young]

Sure. Kwame was just filler to get Marc Gasol, a nobody, and 2 late picks. Kwames deal itself wasnt the point. Thats exactly what people were saying for 50 pages when it happened:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73827


The entire sports world were not calling it Kwame for Pau for nothing. Coaches were not talking starting panels to overturn trades because it was Pau for Marc.

Some people...just decided years later...that the entire 2-3 months of coverage and much more before that...on why Memphis was looking to trade Pau...what they wanted...why several deals for more talent wouldnt meet their plans...

Like all that didnt happen. Like we didnt sit here for months reading about the situation. Like I as a Bulls fan didnt get my hopes up only to read article after article on how Memphis isnt taking money back so guys like Deng arent options.

Its revisionist history at its best.

Who cares what Screamin A Smith and Skip Bayless thought? Who cares what coaches thought? Popovich admitted he was wrong a few years later and got destroyed in the first round by the team he was calling moronic a few years back for trading Pau!

The mainstream media and NBA coaches kept saying MG33 was a throw in, because they were idiots and didn't seem to realize he was having an MVP year in Spain.


Memphis GM was excited to get Marc Gasol back.

Stop wasting time arguing semantics. You are wrong, in this thread and about your opinion on the trade. Accept it and move on.

[Euroleague]

Marc was having a hell of a season in Spain, breaking the record of MVPs of the month held by Sabonis with ease. I mean, I think he won all of them.

I remember watching one game and the commentators where saying that Marc was scoring at least one 3 pointer every game, while the year before he couldn't even make a free throw. It's stupid to think that NBA scouts didn't know about this.

First of all, it's MVP of the week, not the month. MVP of the WEEK is for ONE GAME. They only play ONE game a week in the ACB.

Nothing to do with a monthly MVP award like in the NBA.


Secondly, he won 11 out of 34. How exactly is 11 out of 34 winning "all of them"?

Please improve your trolling skills.

[Euroleague]

There was a year gap between when he was drafted and when he was traded in which his stock rose

Won the EuroChallenge Championship (2007)
Won the Catalan Tournament (2007)
Spanish ACB League MVP (2008)

You seem angry that the Lakers made a good draft pick. The Grizzlies GM noticed his improvement as well calling him a lottery pick equivalent. He wasn't a mindless throw in. Old articles couldn't make this more clear. I don't know why you would prefer to stick to baseless mythology when the words coming out of the guy mouth who actually made the trade prove otherwise.

EuroChallenge is the 14th best league in Europe. The FOURTEENTH best league in Europe.

Catalan competition is a 2 game PRESEASON cup.

Please, stop smoking whatever drug it is that you are smoking.

:facepalm

[Nick Young]

EuroChallenge is the 14th best league in Europe. The FOURTEENTH best league in Europe.

Catalan competition is a 2 game PRESEASON cup.

Please, stop smoking whatever drug it is that you are smoking.

:facepalm
Did Spanoulis win a Catalan cup? GTFO:rockon:

[Euroleague]

When he was drafted, he was overweight and couldn't shoot. A year or two later he goes pro in spain and starts working out and working on a shot. Withing a year he is bombing threes and having an MVP year in the second best pro-league in the world. That is why Memphis didn't draft him at the time most likely. But then he turned his weaknesses into strengths and Memphis wanted him.

So YES, Marc had big question marks being drafted, but he got rid of and answered them all in a year.

So at the time of being drafted he was low value. At the time of the Grizzlies trade he had proved the doubts wrong, gained shooting ability in just one year of work and dominating pros in the second best league in the world, and got in to shape.

Manu Ginobili was drafted second round. Sam Bowie was drafted ahead of Jordan. Gilbert Arenas was drafted second round. Sometimes scouts get it wrong. Just because all scouts get something wrong, it doesn't mean this was a ripoff trade.

Tell me again.....when did the Spanish League become better than the Euroleague.

[DMAVS41]

It's all well and good that Marc turned into a very good player.

But...uhhhh....;

You still traded an elite big man in conference to a title contending team for pennies on the dollar. We know the Grizzlies didn't care what they got back...etc. Just wanted to contract...but its kind of shady to gift an already good team such a big time asset for essentially nothing at the time.

And I love how people are acting like the Grizzlies are so much better off now. What are they? They've won a playoff series in the last 3 years now if they lose to the clippers?

The Lakers won 2 titles and made the finals 3 times. Even looking back it is still and absurdly lopsided trade...LOL

[AussieG]

Both teams benefited. Both teams got exactly what they wanted and needed.

Lakers became immediate contenders, Grizz got capspace to sign zach randolph, draft picks, and Marc Gasol their current franchise center and DPoTY.


At the time of the Pau trade idiots were saying it was a Stern manufactured trade for the Lakers. Some idiot fans are still saying that.

Many idiots say "No one knew Marc Gasol would be this good, so it's still a shit trade".

Grizzlies scouts apparently knew, Marc Gasol played highschool ball in memphis, grew up around the organization, loved the city of Memphis, and was having an MVP year in the Spanish league as a 20 year old at the time of the trade. He was 7'1 and 250 pounds. Any idiot could guess that a 20 year old giant 7 footer with an elite post game and passing and dominating professionals in the best league in Europe was going to be good in the NBA as well.

Get over it. Both teams won in this trade. It is probably one of the best two sided trades ever if you think about it. What other trades can you think of where both teams got exactly what they wanted?

Don't let the pathetic hatred of others cloud your judgement. To all anti-Lakers sinners, repent for your sins.

Stern proved that he doesn't favor the Lakers when he vetoed the CP3 trade.
It's refreshing to see a Lakers fan post this.

The thing that bugs me the most is when people say it was "Pau for Kwame"..

Cause Kwame's been the starting PF for the Grizz ever since? He was rarely played and ditched as soon as possible.. it ended up being Pau for Z-Bo and Marc.. which isn't too bad.

And yes, in reference to those posts above.. yes, Kwame's value was the EXPIRING contract.. and that was the highest that was available at that time.. AND they got Marc thrown in, plus some other filler.

Trades in NBA are business orientated.. it's not like it is in NBA Live or NBA 2K.

[Euroleague]

A 35 year old former CBA player who was cut by the Hawks in 2001 just did. Not that that has anything to do with Gasol. I just thought it was funny considering your usual comments on european basketball.

He's never in his entire life seen an ACB game or a Euroleague game, or a Eurocup game, or whatever.

He's totally full of shit.

ACB MVP award is one of the biggest joke awards in all of European basketball. And Panko won it last year and this guy is a SCRUB SCRUB SCRUB at Euroleague level.

SCRUB and then some at Euroleague level.

I remember seeing a list this year where some European basketball journalists rated him as the 47th best American player in Europe, and I just remember thinking to myself, damn they overrated him.

That award is a total joke as far as I am concerned.

[Nick Young]

It's all well and good that Marc turned into a very good player.

But...uhhhh....;

You still traded an elite big man in conference to a title contending team for pennies on the dollar. We know the Grizzlies didn't care what they got back...etc. Just wanted to contract...but its kind of shady to gift an already good team such a big time asset for essentially nothing at the time.

And I love how people are acting like the Grizzlies are so much better off now. What are they? They've won a playoff series in the last 3 years now if they lose to the clippers?

The Lakers won 2 titles and made the finals 3 times. Even looking back it is still and absurdly lopsided trade...LOL
Pau only wanted to go to a contender-Grizzlies have honour and wanted to reward his years of service.

The Bulls and Lakers were the only contenders with big enough expirers to send.

Bulls would have sent scrub gordon or scrub deng.

Now that would have been a ripoff of massive proportions

Grizzlies are better off now. They didn't even win 1 game in the playoffs with Pau, let alone a series...

[Euroleague]

Did Spanoulis win a Catalan cup? GTFO:rockon:

Are we supposed to be impressed that he won a 2 game PRESEASON tournament that takes place between clubs in just one province of Spain, and usually even just between clubs from one city in Spain?

Are you serious?

Dude, even for you that is a new low in over the top trolling.

Bragging about winning a Catalan Cup is like bragging about the Clippers beating the Lakers in a preseason game.

LITERALLY, the Clippers beating the Lakers, or vice versa, in a preseason game, is the EQUIVALENT of a Catalan Cup in Spain.

You know, seriously..........you are incredibly ****ed in the head. Both you and the guy that mentioned it first.

[Nick Young]

Are we supposed to be impressed that he won a 2 game PRESEASON tournament that takes place between clubs in just one province of Spain, and usually even just between clubs from one city in Spain?

Are you serious?

Dude, even for you that is a new low in over the top trolling.

Bragging about winning a Catalan Cup is like bragging about the Clippers beating the Lakers in a preseason game.

LITERALLY, the Clippers beating the Lakers, or vice versa, in a preseason game is the EQUIVALENT of a Catalan Cup in Spain.

You know, seriously..........you are incredibly ****ed in the head. Both you and the guy that mentioned it first.
Is it the same as bragging about Barcelona beating the Lakers in a preseason game?

Like what you do all the time?:confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Pau only wanted to go to a contender-Grizzlies have honour and wanted to reward his years of service.

The Bulls and Lakers were the only contenders with big enough expirers to send.

Bulls would have sent scrub gordon or scrub deng.

Now that would have been a ripoff of massive proportions

Grizzlies are better off now. They didn't even win 1 game in the playoffs with Pau, let alone a series...

I know the Grizzlies are better now. I was comparing the Lakers to the Grizzlies...and still...how much better and more relevant are the Grizzlies? Slightly if they lose again in the first round.

Imagine, for a second, that the Nuggets traded Mozgov and filler for a healthy Kevin Love at the trade deadline this year. You don't think people would be up in arms about that? You don't think the other contending teams might be a little pissed off?

[Euroleague]

Is it the same as bragging about Barcelona beating the Lakers in a preseason game?

Like what you do all the time?:confusedshrug:

You are an absolute disgrace of a troll.

[AussieG]

But you make trades to make yourself better, not to care about what other people think. If Mozgov allows you to sign or trade for LeBron a year later.. you don't care what anyone else says.

[selrahc]

I know the Grizzlies are better now. I was comparing the Lakers to the Grizzlies...and still...how much better and more relevant are the Grizzlies? Slightly if they lose again in the first round.

Imagine, for a second, that the Nuggets traded Mozgov and filler for a healthy Kevin Love at the trade deadline this year. You don't think people would be up in arms about that? You don't think the other contending teams might be a little pissed off?

If the Wolves felt that they were going no where with Kevin Love or had issues with him and Mozgov and the fillers were expiring contracts plus a couple picks were included then why would anyone be pissed off?

You are missing the point though because Mozgov is not an expiring contract.

Kwame Brown was an expiring contract. The Grizzlies didnt trade Pau for Kwame they traded him for the millions of dollars in cap space they would get to sign another key free agent.

:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

If the Wolves felt that they were going no where with Kevin Love or had issues with him and Mozgov and the fillers were expiring contracts plus a couple picks were included then why would anyone be pissed off?

You are missing the point though because Mozgov is not an expiring contract.

Kwame Brown was an expiring contract. The Grizzlies didnt trade Pau for Kwame they traded him for the millions of dollars in cap space they would get to sign another key free agent.

:facepalm

We all know the deal. I just was giving you an example of a throw away player. I was talking about it in those terms. Imagine Mozgov is a big expiring contract....and i'm pretty sure he is an expiring contract anyway jackass.

It was just an example of a team about as good record wise as the Lakers before the trade was made. When you add a top 10 player in the league to an already good team...it of course changes things...especially when you don't give anything of note up for that player.

And then imagine the Nuggets go on to win 2 titles and make the finals 3 times. And imagine the wolves go from missing the playoffs to making it a few years in a row and win 1 series.

I mean...come on. Stop pretending like a Kevin Love for expiring contract and filler to a contender wouldn't be a huge deal. Just not honest.

[selrahc]

We all know the deal. I just was giving you an example of a throw away player. I was talking about it in those terms. Imagine Mozgov is a big expiring contract....and i'm pretty sure he is an expiring contract anyway jackass.

It was just an example of a team about as good record wise as the Lakers before the trade was made. When you add a top 10 player in the league to an already good team...it of course changes things...especially when you don't give anything of note up for that player.

And then imagine the Nuggets go on to win 2 titles and make the finals 3 times. And imagine the wolves go from missing the playoffs to making it a few years in a row and win 1 series.

I mean...come on. Stop pretending like a Kevin Love for expiring contract and filler to a contender wouldn't be a huge deal. Just not honest.

Why would it be a huge deal? Thats the premise on how 90% of NBA trades are made. One team is looking for value for right now, one team is looking for value for the future or cap space.

I didnt complain when the Celtics got Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett for prospects and picks and filler. They went on to win two championships. So what? The TWolves and Sonics were going nowhere with their stars, and they made a decision to rebuild and send their stars to the Celtics. They essentially did what you are stating in your example.

[DMAVS41]

Why would it be a huge deal? Thats the premise on how 90% of NBA trades are made. One team is looking for value for right now, one team is looking for value for the future or cap space.

I didnt complain when the Celtics got Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett for prospects and picks and filler. They went on to win two championships. So what? The TWolves and Sonics were going nowhere with their stars, and they made a decision to rebuild and send their stars to the Celtics. They essentially did what you are stating in your example.

You don't think Allen and KG going to the celtics was a big deal? I certainly think it was. Led to a title...another finals appearance...etc.

And even then the deals are different...but it was certainly a big deal.

The issues it seems people are having is that they are trying to pretend now that the trade wasn't extremely lopsided at the time. Which just isn't true....and it was a big deal.

And you can't retroactively act like it wasn't because Marc Gasol has turned into a good player. It just doesn't even make sense.

That doesn't mean teams to get great players for nothing all the time. It happens. Hell, the Mavs got Chandler for nothing. Literally nobody even wanted him...LOL

I think the issue is with people acting like the Grizzlies are some beast of a team now solely because of that trade. They are certainly better, but not a ton better....and the results are very similar.

The Lakers went from a good team...to a back to back champion. Like I said before, even accounting for the current state of the Grizzlies...the Lakers got a much better deal.

[Nick Young]

You don't think Allen and KG going to the celtics was a big deal? I certainly think it was. Led to a title...another finals appearance...etc.

And even then the deals are different...but it was certainly a big deal.

The issues it seems people are having is that they are trying to pretend now that the trade wasn't extremely lopsided at the time. Which just isn't true....and it was a big deal.

And you can't retroactively act like it wasn't because Marc Gasol has turned into a good player. It just doesn't even make sense.

That doesn't mean teams to get great players for nothing all the time. It happens. Hell, the Mavs got Chandler for nothing. Literally nobody even wanted him...LOL

I think the issue is with people acting like the Grizzlies are some beast of a team now solely because of that trade. They are certainly better, but not a ton better....and the results are very similar.

The Lakers went from a good team...to a back to back champion. Like I said before, even accounting for the current state of the Grizzlies...the Lakers got a much better deal.
They are a ton better.

THey didn't win a single playoff game with Pau. Their rebuilt team, built primarily around Marc, has won a playoff series and multiple playoff games.

[Nick Young]

Grizzlies GM-VINDICATED

Pau has never won a game in the playoffs without Kobe.
They would have gone nowhere with Pau. They are doing better then they ever have in franchise history by BUILDING AROUND HIS BROTHER WHO THEY TRADED FOR.


:rockon:

[Qwertyazerty]

BUILDING AROUND HIS BROTHER WHO THEY TRADED FOR



Hesley's 3 years plan wasn't built around Marc. Do you remember when they used their second draft pick on a C named Thabeet over people like Harden, Curry, Evans or even Rubio, Holiday and Lawson?... they tried with Hasheem 2 seasons before trading him.

They had OJ who was just 2nd in the ROY's race (Rose's year) the previous season and they had Gay (who was their franchise player). Marc was just a piece of that puzzle as was Conley at that time.

It was because of Mayo turning into a bust, Gay unable of developing his potential, Marc/Conley good performances and Zbo trade (the next season) that the original plan had to change. They then started to realize what they had got from the deal involving both Gasol.

[Nick Young]

Hesley's 3 years plan wasn't built around Marc. Do you remember when they used their second draft pick on a C named Thabeet over people like Harden, Curry, Evans or even Rubio, Holiday and Lawson?... they tried with Hasheem 2 seasons before trading him.

They had OJ who was just 2nd in the ROY's race (Rose's year) the previous season and they had Gay (who was their franchise player). Marc was just a piece of that puzzle as was Conley at that time.

It was because of Mayo turning into a bust, Gay unable of developing his potential, Marc/Conley good performances and Zbo trade (the next season) that the original plan had to change. They then started to realize what they had got from the deal involving both Gasol.
They only had cap space to sign Randolph do to Kwame's expiring contract. So basically, Pau Gasol became Zach Randolph one season later, PLUS they got Marc Gasol, their franchise center and DPoTY in the bargain.

So basically the trade amounted to Pau Gasol for Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol.

Pretty good piece of business IMO


So basically what you're saying is the Memphis management were able to adapt to their mistakes and still built the greatest team ever assembled which was only possible due to the Pau Gasol trade.

[Seal Beach Jay]

Marc Gasol was a throw in to the deal. The Memphis GM was obviously still friendly with Jerry West to agree to such a trade.

Chris Wallace was the GM of Memphis when this deal went down.. Not West. Also, it was a deal featuring one team who was looking to win now versus another who was looking to the future. Both teams made out well with what they intended to do in the deal.

[Cleverness]

If, in 2007, Greg Oden was traded for Marc Gasol+future picks, people would say that the Lakers won the trade by a landslide... but a few years later we would have people on ISH say, "See! It was a good trade for Memphis!"

[rmt]

Lakers got 2 championships out of Pau - what more do you want? Stop bitching.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Hindsight.

Unless you can predict the future, the trade was still shit at the time.

[Unbiased_one]

no love shown to Kobe by the refs all .

:roll:

might be the best joke ever made on here :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hindsight.

Unless you can predict the future, the trade was still shit at the time.


How many times does this need to be dis proven? I realize that most of ISH might not have been NBA fans in 07 but here's what was going on.

The Grizzlies were a solid team, had good depth but were continuously being swept in the 1st round of the playoffs. With the roster they had, they weren't going anywhere.

Grizzlies realized this, they also realized their best player was vastly over paid and at the price they figured they could continue to win 0 playoff games without him & his salary on the team.

Grizzles weren't looking for a "fair" trade in terms of immediate value, they were looking for cap relief and Kwame was one of the biggest expiring contract in the League at the time. He also happened to play for a team who's FO was being pressured to put a team around their star at any cost. The Lakers were the only team that had the contract needed to trade for Pau as well as being the only team willing to pay FRANCHISE PLAYER CALIBER MONEY to a guy who had shown he wasn't a championship level first option.

The Grizzles were smart, they dumped a massively overpaid contract when you consider the value he brought the to team, cleared cap space and were able to sign & trade for players that eventually led them to their current championship contending roster.

Marc Gasol was a valuable prospect at the time, many called him the steal of the draft and along with that they got picks and another player with potential in Javaris.

It wasn't about getting back equal value for pau, it was about rebuilding a team from a 8th seed no playoff winning mind set, to an eventual top team in the West and you can't do that when you have a 2nd option crippling your teams salary

[rmt]

the whole pretense that stern favors the lakers is a farce, the new CBA, vetoing of Paul trade and no love shown to Kobe by the refs all indicate that stern, who works for the collective interest of the owners (vast majority does not like the lakers) does not make it easy for the lakers to succeed.

LOL - that's a joke right? You must have forgotten the increase in free-throws awarded to LAL (from their season average) and at the same time, the decrease in free-throws for UTA (from their season average) in the last 10 games down the stretch to get the Lakers into the playoffs. There were at least 3 close games that should have gone the opponent's way that were given to the Lakers.

[grantz]

If Marc Gasol wins it this year (unlikely, but not improbable), he would have a chance to be the best player on his team and not be overshadowed (unlike Pau).

He would definitively be the best Gasol. It would be irrefutable.

I'd like to see that happen actually.

[Yung D-Will]

I honestly cant agree with you on this mavs. I feel if a team like the spurs had made the trade for marc we would be praising their front office for finding overlooked talent. However, in this situation no one gives any credit to the grizzlies scouts and make it seem like they were just lucky that marc developed. I think there's a high possibility that the reason memphis felt comfortable with the trade is because they scouted marc and thought he could be great in the nba. We give other teams credit for making risky trades for players based purley on potential why dont we give Memphis any credit?

[Rooster]

How many times does this need to be dis proven? I realize that most of ISH might not have been NBA fans in 07 but here's what was going on.

The Grizzlies were a solid team, had good depth but were continuously being swept in the 1st round of the playoffs. With the roster they had, they weren't going anywhere.

Grizzlies realized this, they also realized their best player was vastly over paid and at the price they figured they could continue to win 0 playoff games without him & his salary on the team.

Grizzles weren't looking for a "fair" trade in terms of immediate value, they were looking for cap relief and Kwame was one of the biggest expiring contract in the League at the time. He also happened to play for a team who's FO was being pressured to put a team around their star at any cost. The Lakers were the only team that had the contract needed to trade for Pau as well as being the only team willing to pay FRANCHISE PLAYER CALIBER MONEY to a guy who had shown he wasn't a championship level first option.

The Grizzles were smart, they dumped a massively overpaid contract when you consider the value he brought the to team, cleared cap space and were able to sign & trade for players that eventually led them to their current championship contending roster.

Marc Gasol was a valuable prospect at the time, many called him the steal of the draft and along with that they got picks and another player with potential in Javaris.

It wasn't about getting back equal value for pau, it was about rebuilding a team from a 8th seed no playoff winning mind set, to an eventual top team in the West and you can't do that when you have a 2nd option crippling your teams salary

You pretty much sum it up except it was a FIRE SALE trade at that time. Grizzlies wanted to dump salaries and create cap space to entice buyers. So Lakers basically got Pau for a discount. Jerry West had that inside info so I assumed he relayed that to his protege Kupchak. I actually did not see this coming or even heard or read about it.

[IGOTGAME]

It's all well and good that Marc turned into a very good player.

But...uhhhh....;

You still traded an elite big man in conference to a title contending team for pennies on the dollar. We know the Grizzlies didn't care what they got back...etc. Just wanted to contract...but its kind of shady to gift an already good team such a big time asset for essentially nothing at the time.

And I love how people are acting like the Grizzlies are so much better off now. What are they? They've won a playoff series in the last 3 years now if they lose to the clippers?

The Lakers won 2 titles and made the finals 3 times. Even looking back it is still and absurdly lopsided trade...LOL


You really think Marc was considered nothing to Jerry West? The Lakers didnt want to give him up but the Grizz demanded.

[Practice?]

It obviously worked out, but nobody knew Marc would be as good as his brother back then.

[IGOTGAME]

It obviously worked out, but nobody knew Marc would be as good as his brother back then.

I would like to ask Jerry West about this...I remember on trade day being mad about Marc being included and I knew the Lakers didnt want him in there. If anyone could have seen it, then itd be Mr. West.