Maybe Euroleague is right?

[blood yes]

I used to think Euroleague is a troll that should be ignored, like most people here, but lately, i have been second-guessing myself.

First, Euroleague proved us wrong with the possible new coach for the Detroit Pistons, and NOW...

Pablo Prigioni is the starting PG for the knicks, in one of the most stacked eras for point guards in NBA history

PABLO PRIGIONI

He is 36 years old, and is the starting point guard!

Maybe Euroleague is right? Some of these europeans can really ball...

Prigioni, Ricky Rubio, Marc Gasol, Nikola Vucevic (he had a 30-30 game), Pekovic...

Maybe V-Span is better than we thought?

[bmd]

No because he claims the Euroleague is better than the NBA. A few good players means nothing.

[TheReal Kendall]

NBA is way better

[KG215]

That's 2 reasons. It doesn't undo the other 1 or 2 hundred reasons he shouldn't be taken seriously. It's not that he's wrong about European players being good. It's the extremes he goes to to downplay the NBA, prop-up Euroleague and anything related to Greece, and the way he constantly berates posters calling them liars, racists, delusional, psychotic, etc. that makes him unlikable.

And, on top of all that, he's an American that apparently hates his own country.

[Droid101]

Huh? Yes, the good players come to the NBA, and the garbage stays there or comes here and fails then goes over there.

The End.

[troyceps33]

After watching both it seems that the Euroleague players are much more skilled and Fundamentally better then a lot of the NBA players.
If you take away the Athleticism of a lot of the players in the NBA would they really deserve to be there?
And not having the same level of Athleticism we see in the NBA players, the Euro players work on playing the game without jumping 40" high.
That being said, It is far more entertaining watching the high speed high flying NBA game

[jzek]

Prigioni is legit. I like him. Can't believe no one picked him up 5+ years ago... :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

How many of the top American prospects skip/leave the NBA to go play in the euroleague instead?

How many of the top Euro players skip/leave the euroleague to go play in the NBA instead?


/thread

[TwentyThree]

People don't like Euroleague because he makes ridiculous claims just to troll everyone, but he actually knows his stuff when talking about European basketball.

However, the stuff that he says and makes up to try and compare Euroleague players to the top NBA players is pretty silly, and most of the stuff he says shouldn't really be taken seriously.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

Yeah, Europe has plently of good players and teams. But he hypes up really average players and says a bunch of ridiculous stuff.

[alexd]

How many of the top American prospects skip/leave the NBA to go play in the euroleague instead?

How many of the top Euro players skip/leave the euroleague to go play in the NBA instead?


/thread

you are wrong.they don t go to the nba because its a better league in terms of competitiveness.the nba is global.its promoted this way.more publicity more money etc.heck the winner they call it world champion.it s not world champion it s nba champion.but they promote it that way.don t be fooled europlayers can ball.spannoulis is good.solid roleplayer for nba and if he develops solid 6th player for pg/sg.but very low iq
its really simple you want show?watch nba where a player can take 4 steps and not be called for travelling but you are guaranteed to see amazing plays that make you jump over your seat
you want pure basketball?watch euroleague.by pure i mean where a team is allowed to play zone against players who can t shoot.its far more tactical than nba

[TheBigVeto]

He is right many times. Not always, but very often.

[9512]

ISHer Euroleague thnks Ricky Rubio is a scrub and thinks most of Spain hates rubio too.

[Euroleague]

ISHer Euroleague thnks Ricky Rubio is a scrub and thinks most of Spain hates rubio too.

Why don't you check out the official Spanish League forums?

They regularly have threads there about Rubio, where whole bunches of people say he sucks.

You do realize that the Spanish speaking world also has basketball forums right?

[HardwoodLegend]

Why don't you check out the official Spanish League forums?

They regularly have threads there about Rubio, where whole bunches of people say he sucks.

You do realize that the Spanish speaking world also has basketball forums right?

What is the overall point you try to make on this forum? I get confused, because you dance all over the place.

Is it seriously that Euroleague > the NBA?

[Euroleague]

And just to clarify, since people here are always twisting my words......

I have NEVER EVER said Rubio is a scrub in the NBA, nor did I ever say he would be a scrub in the NBA. I ALWAYS said he could do just fine in the NBA before he ever played there.

What I have said is he was a scrub in Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

What is the overall point you try to make on this forum? I get confused, because you dance all over the place.

Is it seriously that Euroleague > the NBA?

I don't have an agenda in my posts here, unlike it seems most of the people here.

I just come here to talk about basketball, NBA and Euroleague, and just basketball in general. I simply don't like it when people here lie and troll and totally make up complete fantasies and nonsense, whenever the subject of European basketball comes up.

But just pointing out when people are lying, trolling, whatever about European basketball gets you branded as a troll here.

I don't have any point or agenda. I just don't think that this forum should be so openly lying about European basketball all the time as what most people here do on that subject.

There is no reason at all why a basketball forum that is THIS big should not be able to have factual discussions about European basketball, instead of the complete nonstop trolling that happens here in regards to European basketball.

[alexd]

And just to clarify, since people here are always twisting my words......

I have NEVER EVER said Rubio is a scrub in the NBA, nor did I ever say he would be a scrub in the NBA. I ALWAYS said he could do just fine in the NBA before he ever played there.

What I have said is he was a scrub in Euroleague.

this is true.rubio can t shoot.all those tricks and passes he makes in the nba is cause there s more space to do them.if a point guard is doing well in europe he can do just fine in nba.but it doesn t work the other way around

[Euroleague]

this is true.rubio can t shoot.all those tricks and passes he makes in the nba is cause there s more space to do them.if a point guard is doing well in europe he can do just fine in nba.but it doesn t work the other way around

Exactly. That's always been the thing I have said about Rubio and nothing more really.

For this, I have been labeled a "troll, and a liar" by just about this whole forum.

[clayton]

Nice ALT account. :applause:

[Rooster]

this is true.rubio can t shoot.all those tricks and passes he makes in the nba is cause there s more space to do them.if a point guard is doing well in europe he can do just fine in nba.but it doesn t work the other way around

Spanoulis begs to disagree. :no:

Farmar and Brown. :bowdown:

:oldlol: Better recognize

[DuMa]

Prigs may be the starting PG but hes not getting more than 20 mins of playing time. Hes just there so Kidd can come off the bench and make the adjustment and allow him to use his smarts more than his energy

[GoldMedallist]

ISHer Euroleague thnks Ricky Rubio is a scrub and thinks most of Spain hates rubio too.

People from Spain don't hate Rubio, we are only a bit sad he promised to be much better than he actually is.

And Spanoulis is a good player, but far from "European God of Basketball Euroleague pretends he is :).

[Sakkreth]

Euroleague is wrong about Euroleague being better league, but this forum underrates european level of basketball overall heavily.

[iamgine]

I used to think Euroleague is a troll that should be ignored, like most people here, but lately, i have been second-guessing myself.

First, Euroleague proved us wrong with the possible new coach for the Detroit Pistons, and NOW...

Pablo Prigioni is the starting PG for the knicks, in one of the most stacked eras for point guards in NBA history

PABLO PRIGIONI

He is 36 years old, and is the starting point guard!

Maybe Euroleague is right? Some of these europeans can really ball...

Prigioni, Ricky Rubio, Marc Gasol, Nikola Vucevic (he had a 30-30 game), Pekovic...

Maybe V-Span is better than we thought?
Well you know not too long ago Smush Parker used to start too right?

[HarryCallahan]

Why don't people understand that it's completely different style of basketball played in Europe.

Mikael Pietrus, a noted defender in the NBA (even called a defensive specialist by some,) can't get a spot on the FRENCH team's bench because his D isn't up to standard.

Different styles of Ball require different skills, and it's not as simple as X>>>Y

[CavaliersFTW]

basketball is to europeans what cricket is to the states
:lol so true

[Sakkreth]

basketball is to europeans what cricket is to the states

It's very different in different countries of europe, but you could say that about some countries like netherlands etc.

[luckylucy]

Why don't you check out the official Spanish League forums?

They regularly have threads there about Rubio, where whole bunches of people say he sucks.

You do realize that the Spanish speaking world also has basketball forums right?

I lived in Spain for many years and people only thought of Rubio as a scrub in his last year in Barcelona, when he was forced to play almost as a shooter while Navarro handled the ball.

[ILLsmak]

I used to think Euroleague is a troll that should be ignored, like most people here, but lately, i have been second-guessing myself.

First, Euroleague proved us wrong with the possible new coach for the Detroit Pistons, and NOW...

Pablo Prigioni is the starting PG for the knicks, in one of the most stacked eras for point guards in NBA history

PABLO PRIGIONI

He is 36 years old, and is the starting point guard!

Maybe Euroleague is right? Some of these europeans can really ball...

Prigioni, Ricky Rubio, Marc Gasol, Nikola Vucevic (he had a 30-30 game), Pekovic...

Maybe V-Span is better than we thought?

Seems like you're trollin' in a way, but Euroleague is a pretty smart dude. But he is also a troll.

-Smak

[tgan3]

Why don't you check out the official Spanish League forums?

They regularly have threads there about Rubio, where whole bunches of people say he sucks.

You do realize that the Spanish speaking world also has basketball forums right?

Are you being serious? He was just a teenager playing with grown men in the pro league.

Teenage Kobe in the NBA wasn't really a superstar also.

[Euroleague]

Are you being serious? He was just a teenager playing with grown men in the pro league.

Teenage Kobe in the NBA wasn't really a superstar also.

He was 20 in his last season and he was awful. It really does not relate to him though, since he developed much faster than everyone else does.

At age 16, he was almost the same exact player that he is now, and a lot of people even think he was better then than he is now.

So that argument about his age is basically irrelevant and non pertinent.

[HarryCallahan]

Are you being serious? He was just a teenager playing with grown men in the pro league.

Teenage Kobe in the NBA wasn't really a superstar also.

His game is far better suited to the NBA. Stop comparing the two; Ricky Rubio/Pablo Prigioni= Euroleague back-ups/ NBA starters. Sonny Weems/Jordan Farmar= NBA back-ups/Euroleague starters.


WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? :facepalm

[iDunk]

If Prigioni entered the league in his prime he'd be putting up 10/10/3 steals easily.

[HarryCallahan]

If Prigioni entered the league in his prime he'd be putting up 10/10/3 steals easily.

Yup. Really good passer, knows his role.

[alexd]

Spanoulis begs to disagree. :no:

Farmar and Brown. :bowdown:

:oldlol: Better recognize

spanoulis is not pure pg.yaeh he can play but he really is a sg.he s a first score player than a floor general that makes people around him beter.guys like prigioni diamantidis rubio can play in the nba and impact games.not on kobe lebron level but they worth their money

[Euroleague]

His game is far better suited to the NBA. Stop comparing the two; Ricky Rubio/Pablo Prigioni= Euroleague back-ups/ NBA starters. Sonny Weems/Jordan Farmar= NBA back-ups/Euroleague starters.


WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? :facepalm

I will explain this again here. In Euroleague there is no differentiation between "starters" and "bench players".

That's totally an NBA thing.

The BEST PLAYERS in the whole league can come off the bench in Euroleague. When Papaloukas was MVP of Euroleague and the best player probably in Europe - he came off the bench EVERY GAME.

It does NOT matter in Euroleague who starts the game.

Why is that so hard to understand, after it's been explained here so many times?

And Weems was a starter in the NBA, and Prigioni was a starter in Euroleague, and Rubio was a starter that hardly ever finished games in Euroleague. Just to set the record straight.

This really should not be hard to grasp. That's why they don't have "6th men" in Euroleague. Because starting or not is basically irrelevant there.

[Andrew Wiggins]

I will explain this again here. In Euroleague there is no differentiation between "starters" and "bench players".

That's totally an NBA thing.

The BEST PLAYERS in the whole league can come off the bench in Euroleague. When Papaloukas was MVP of Euroleague and the best player probably in Europe - he came off the bench EVERY GAME.

It does NOT matter in Euroleague who starts the game.

Why is that so hard to understand, after it's been explained here so many times?

because you're trying to discuss euroleague on an NBA forum. do you go to a mlb website and try to discuss japanese baseball?

fact of the matter is people here don't care enough to educate themselves on a foreign league

[Salty]

Vucevic cannot be considered a Euroleague player. He learned basketball in the US. He played high school and college ball over here, and he only went to europe for the lockout.

Obviously euroleague has some talent. It's not that europeans naturally can't play basketball or anything. It's just that it's more popular here and we have much better development programs.

Even the success of Marc Gasol must be attributed to him playing here. He moved to memphis when he was a teenager, after all.

And as for prigioni...he's a spanish cup MVP and obviously extremely talented...but he's nothing special in the NBA. He's only starting because JKidd can't play 30+ minutes and the knicks want him closing.

[Rooster]

spanoulis is not pure pg.yaeh he can play but he really is a sg.he s a first score player than a floor general that makes people around him beter.guys like prigioni diamantidis rubio can play in the nba and impact games.not on kobe lebron level but they worth their money

You forgot to mention Saras.:oldlol: The thing is a lot of these players get exposed in the NBA.:no: Minor league like Euroleague can hide them defensively by just packing the zone but in NBA, they are too unathletic and usually soft to keep up with the Gazelles. That is why they are use for specialty type of roles like spot up shooters like Navarro. And This is why Softies like Pau Gasol has been dominating Europe whenever he plays over there:cheers: .

[Euroleague]

Vucevic cannot be considered a Euroleague player. He learned basketball in the US. He played high school and college ball over here, and he only went to europe for the lockout.

Obviously euroleague has some talent. It's not that europeans naturally can't play basketball or anything. It's just that it's more popular here and we have much better development programs.

Even the success of Marc Gasol must be attributed to him playing here. He moved to memphis when he was a teenager, after all.

And as for prigioni...he's a spanish cup MVP and obviously extremely talented...but he's nothing special in the NBA. He's only starting because JKidd can't play 30+ minutes and the knicks want him closing.

You do realize that Spanish Cup is a 3 game tournament right? It's funny how people here post these awards that don't really mean much of anything in Europe and then act like they are some big deal.

All it does is just show you don't really know what you are talking about.

[gabepizza]

You do realize that Spanish Cup is a 3 game tournament right? It's funny how people here post these awards that don't really mean much of anything in Europe and then act like they are some big deal.

All it does is just show you don't really know what you are talking about.

You do realize that the Euroleague Final Four is a 2 game tournament right?
And about starting, there are some "starters" in the NBA who average less minutes than back-ups. Prigioni is one example. He "starts" but he only averaged 16.2 mpg. Less than Kidd in Felton. So although he is a "starter" he is in essense a 3rd string pg because he plays less mpg than the Knicks other two pgs and is not on the court in crunch time.

[Nero Tulip]

Euroleague isn't right. It's just that some of the American retards on this forum are just as wrong as he is. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[Salty]

You do realize that Spanish Cup is a 3 game tournament right? It's funny how people here post these awards that don't really mean much of anything in Europe and then act like they are some big deal.

All it does is just show you don't really know what you are talking about.


lol believe me, i am well aware that the spanish cup doesn't mean much. nothing about european basketball means much, bro.

but the fact that it is a 3-game tournament doesn't mean anything. It's three games long because it's impossible for spain to put together more than 8 teams that aren't just flat out pathetic.

the MOP of the final 4 is awarded after even fewer games. it doesn't change the fact that it's a high honor awarded to the most extraordinary player involved. and that's what Prigioni was. The third-string PG for the knicks is more extraordinary than the rest of the euroleague.

All it does is show you've got a micropenis hard on for crappy basketball.

[deja vu]

He's right on very few things and wrong on a whole lot others.

Dude thinks that Spanoulis is the 3rd best player in the world. :lol Even VSpan himself is not that delusional.

[Euroleague]

You do realize that the Euroleague Final Four is a 2 game tournament right?
And about starting, there are some "starters" in the NBA who average less minutes than back-ups. Prigioni is one example. He "starts" but he only averaged 16.2 mpg. Less than Kidd in Felton. So although he is a "starter" he is in essense a 3rd string pg because he plays less mpg than the Knicks other two pgs and is not on the court in crunch time.

Funny..........since you keep going on and on about how "Rubio started in Euroleague"......................

even though EVERY TEAM in Euroleague uses their starters and bench as the Knicks use their old guards.

Hypocrite much?

And comparing the Spanish Cup to the Euroleague Final Four is like comparing the ACC tournament to the NCAA Final Four................you really need to STFU with your ridiculous and out of control trolling.

[Euroleague]

lol believe me, i am well aware that the spanish cup doesn't mean much. nothing about european basketball means much, bro.

but the fact that it is a 3-game tournament doesn't mean anything. It's three games long because it's impossible for spain to put together more than 8 teams that aren't just flat out pathetic.

the MOP of the final 4 is awarded after even fewer games. it doesn't change the fact that it's a high honor awarded to the most extraordinary player involved. and that's what Prigioni was. The third-string PG for the knicks is more extraordinary than the rest of the euroleague.

All it does is show you've got a micropenis hard on for crappy basketball.

It's not a high honor in European basketball idiot. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the Euroleague.

You are a freaking dumb ass.

[Salty]

It's not a high honor in European basketball idiot. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the Euroleague.

You are a freaking dumb ass.

Sorry, you're right. There are no high honors in European basketball. Just mediocre and slightly above average honors.