Is it LeBron's fault that he always stays healthy and his competition don't?

[k0kakw0rld]

:confusedshrug:
Haters are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and guess what? I LOVE IT :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

Enjoy those little meltdowns. So far we had kenneth creating LeBron-Moses analogy in MS Paint and now ripthekik has awoken in his little, Kobe-dedicated asian room and he is starting to raise the level of the sea with his unending saltiness.

I am expecting some kind of CF86-esque meltdown very soon.

[TheMarkMadsen]

No but it doesn't help his case when he decided to join forces with Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh & then a thinned out eastern conference suffers from major injuries to major players

[ripthekik]

um.. sorry, but where's his competition? Oh! They're on his team! :applause:

[NumberSix]

No but it doesn't help his case when he decided to join forces with Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh & then a thinned out eastern conference suffers from major injuries to major players
Whatever. Ring counting is the lowest form of raking players. We all know LeBron is the best. Whether or not the heat win a ring this season doesn't change that.

And, you know like I know, that the ring counters aren't gonna give a shit how he got it or the context.

[k0kakw0rld]

um.. sorry, but where's his competition? Oh! They're on his team! :applause:
Wade; Heat...He was already raping Wade for a while now.
Bosh; Raptors...Do I really need to say anything?
Ray Allen; Boston...Ray joined LeBron's team, because Celtics lost 2 years straight against the Heat. Ray knew there was no way the celtics could ever compete against the Heat 4 or 5 years from now. HE JOINED LEBRON NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Rashard Lewis; Washington...Do I need to say more?

Thank you NEXT.

[ripthekik]

Wade; Heat...He was already raping Wade for a while now.
Bosh; Raptors...Do I really need to say anything?
Ray Allen; Boston...Ray joined LeBron's team, because Celtics lost 2 years straight against the Heat. Ray knew there was no way the celtics could ever compete against the Heat 4 or 5 years from now. HE JOINED LEBRON NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Rashard Lewis; Washington...Do I need to say more?

Thank you NEXT.
lol, he joined up with 2 other guys that led their own team in the east for 7 years. Who won the ring and FMVP in 06?

keep trying to twist it all you want.. he joined his competitors :oldlol:

[Golderado]

First rip and consorts continuously play the 'longevity' card for kobe and when the point comes that it must be used against their hated rival, they'll magically change their formula for succes. It's ridiculous reading their crap coming to the point of ...

[PrettyCool]

First rip and consorts continuously play the 'longevity' card for kobe and when the point comes that it must be used against their hated rival, they'll magically change their formula for succes. It's ridiculous reading their crap coming to the point of ...

which one of your handles was banned this time?

[FLDFSU]

No but it doesn't help his case when he decided to join forces with Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh & then a thinned out eastern conference suffers from major injuries to major players

Maybe you will answer this question

Lets say Miami had Wade and Bosh...and then the next year gotten either...

CP3, D. WILL,or Howard (without Lebron).

Would that be fair to Lebron?

[Scholar]

OP, is it your English teacher's fault that she teaches English but you didn't bother to learn?

[crisoner]

um.. sorry, but where's his competition? Oh! They're on his team! :applause:

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Great post!

[Rose'sACL]

Wade; Heat...He was already raping Wade for a while now.
Bosh; Raptors...Do I really need to say anything?
Ray Allen; Boston...Ray joined LeBron's team, because Celtics lost 2 years straight against the Heat. Ray knew there was no way the celtics could ever compete against the Heat 4 or 5 years from now. HE JOINED LEBRON NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Rashard Lewis; Washington...Do I need to say more?

Thank you NEXT.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Great post!

[TheMarkMadsen]

Maybe you will answer this question

Lets say Miami had Wade and Bosh...and then the next year gotten either...

CP3, D. WILL,or Howard (without Lebron).

Would that be fair to Lebron?


You just made a hypothetical situation out of a hypothetical situation into a hypothetical question.

[LBJ 23]

Of course it is, everything is Lebrons' fault.

[FLDFSU]

You just made a hypothetical situation out of a hypothetical situation into a hypothetical question.


Nope. In the Summer of 2010 when Pat Riley visited Lebron James in Cleveland he let him know that Wade, and Bosh was going to Miami. He also let James know that he would have enough money to sign another big name free agent the following year.

This is not a hypothetical situation...The Heat did sign Wade and Bosh...and Pat Riley did have enough money to go after CP3, Melo, Dwight, etc.

So the question for you is this. Had Lebron not chosen Miami he would be staring at Wade, Bosh, and possibly Dwight.

The question is do you think that is fair to Lebron?

[joeysms55]

Nope. In the Summer of 2010 when Pat Riley visited Lebron James in Cleveland he let him know that Wade, and Bosh was going to Miami. He also let James know that he would have enough money to sign another big name free agent the following year.

This is not a hypothetical situation...The Heat did sign Wade and Bosh...and Pat Riley did have enough money to go after CP3, Melo, Dwight, etc.

So the question for you is this. Had Lebron not chosen Miami he would be staring at Wade, Bosh, and possibly Dwight.

The question is do you think that is fair to Lebron?

You sound like Lebron was the last option for Miami Heat to sign

[Mr. Jabbar]

"whats left" of competition is injured, most of it all ready joined the heat.

easiest path for an asterisk in nba history

[retaxis]

salty posts like rip is really just saying 'I have no life so im a 24.7 hater plz help me'

[Rose'sACL]

Nope. In the Summer of 2010 when Pat Riley visited Lebron James in Cleveland he let him know that Wade, and Bosh was going to Miami. He also let James know that he would have enough money to sign another big name free agent the following year.

This is not a hypothetical situation...The Heat did sign Wade and Bosh...and Pat Riley did have enough money to go after CP3, Melo, Dwight, etc.

So the question for you is this. Had Lebron not chosen Miami he would be staring at Wade, Bosh, and possibly Dwight.

The question is do you think that is fair to Lebron?
this guy right here is riley's most trusted friend. he knows everything.tell us more stories about him.I would love to know what else riley did. tell about his meeting with ray.

[TheReal Kendall]

This argument comes up everyday on ISH. Are y'all not tired of saying the same things over and over?

[willds09]

Niguh he on steroids, dats why:rolleyes:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nope. In the Summer of 2010 when Pat Riley visited Lebron James in Cleveland he let him know that Wade, and Bosh was going to Miami. He also let James know that he would have enough money to sign another big name free agent the following year.

This is not a hypothetical situation...The Heat did sign Wade and Bosh...and Pat Riley did have enough money to go after CP3, Melo, Dwight, etc.

So the question for you is this. Had Lebron not chosen Miami he would be staring at Wade, Bosh, and possibly Dwight.

The question is do you think that is fair to Lebron?


so much wrong about this post.

First off, you made half of it up, you have no idea what Pat Riley did or didn't do, and there's more evidence pointing to the option that Bosh Wade & James colluded and had planned this out or at least thought of the idea of joining forces a long time ago, the way Wade & James set their contracts up to expire at the same time, Lebron changing his # to and then going to the only team in the league besides CHI that has #23 retired.

Secondly, Miami would have had to spend that extra cap space to fill out the rest of their roster after Wade & Bosh.

Third. Lebron could have manned up & stuck with his b2b 60+ win favorite for 2 years to make the finals team and recruited somebody to join HIS team.

Instead, Lebron chose to join somebody else's team, and the player he just so happened to choose to join had already won a title as the man of his team and was sporting a FMVP before Lebron had even reached the finals..

[FLDFSU]

You sound like Lebron was the last option for Miami Heat to sign

No I am sure Lebron was their key target besides resigning of Wade.

If you were Lebron and Riley is telling you Wade and Bosh will sign with the Heat and the Heat have cap space for one more star...And that last star could be either you, CP3, Melo, or Dwight...

What do you do? Go back to Cleveland? Go to NYC? or Chicago? Meanwhile the Heat forms yet another big three you have to go through besides Boston and LA and SA.

So if you are Lebron what would you do?

Go to the Clippers?

[TheMarkMadsen]

No I am sure Lebron was their key target besides resigning of Wade.

If you were Lebron and Riley is telling you Wade and Bosh will sign with the Heat and the Heat have cap space for one more star...And that last star could be either you, CP3, Melo, or Dwight...

What do you do? Go back to Cleveland? Go to NYC? or Chicago? Meanwhile the Heat forms yet another big three you have to go through besides Boston and LA and SA.

So if you are Lebron what would you do?

Go to the Clippers?

This is so false. Dwight & Cp3's contracts don't expire until after THIS YEAR. Miami wouldn't have been able to save that much cap over 2 years. Miami would have had to spend their extra cap space to fill out the roster after signing Bosh & Wade.

[Facades]

"whats left" of competition is injured, most of it all ready joined the heat.

easiest path for an asterisk in nba history
Let's just forget the Spurs exist yeah? If anything the Westbrook injury increases the Spurs chance of making the finals which doesn't play in our favor. Parker and Ginobili are getting back to normal and Duncan's been fantastic. Duncan/Spliiter could give us some problems.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Let's just forget the Spurs exist yeah? If anything the Westbrook injury increases the Spurs chance of making the finals which doesn't play in our favor. Parker and Ginobili are getting back to normal and Duncan's been fantastic. Duncan/Spliiter could give us some problems.

lets hope you are right, lebron(*) doesn't deserve a championship

[TheMarkMadsen]

Let's just forget the Spurs exist yeah? If anything the Westbrook injury increases the Spurs chance of making the finals which doesn't play in our favor. Parker and Ginobili are getting back to normal and Duncan's been fantastic. Duncan/Spliiter could give us some problems.


OH NO!! What in the lords name will poor Lebron James, Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh do against a 37 year old Tim Duncan & The Almighty Tiago Splitter :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Facades]

OH NO!! What in the lords name will poor Lebron James, Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh do against a 37 year old Tim Duncan & The Almighty Tiago Splitter :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Have you watched this 37 year old Tim Duncan play lately? James and Wade won't be guarding them. It'll be on Bosh, Haslem, and Birdman. What about Parker and Ginobili? You think they're no good too?

[Soundwave]

I don't think any of those teams even when healthy could beat Miami in a 7 game series. It would be a little more competitive but that's about it.

If you want to be mad at anyone be mad at OKC for not re-signing Harden.

OKC wasn't gonna beat Miami without Harden.

Maybe if Dwight had gone to New Jersey with Deron they could've posed a bigger challenge for the Heat in the East.

None of those things happened though and crop of contenders this year was always a notch below.

[FLDFSU]

so much wrong about this post.

First off, you made half of it up, you have no idea what Pat Riley did or didn't do, and there's more evidence pointing to the option that Bosh Wade & James colluded and had planned this out or at least thought of the idea of joining forces a long time ago, the way Wade & James set their contracts up to expire at the same time, Lebron changing his # to and then going to the only team in the league besides CHI that has #23 retired.

Secondly, Miami would have had to spend that extra cap space to fill out the rest of their roster after Wade & Bosh.

Third. Lebron could have manned up & stuck with his b2b 60+ win favorite for 2 years to make the finals team and recruited somebody to join HIS team.

Instead, Lebron chose to join somebody else's team, and the player he just so happened to choose to join had already won a title as the man of his team and was sporting a FMVP before Lebron had even reached the finals..

First, lets accept that James Wade and Bosh colluded. Still doesn't change the fact on the morning of his announcement Wade and Bosh were on the same team with enough cap space to sign yet another franchise player.

You say the Heat would have fill out their roster. There would be nothing stopping Riley from doing what New York did with Carmelo.

Sign Amare..."fill out the roster" and still sign/wait out for Melo.

Again, you're Lebron what exactly would you do?

By the way, this nonsense about contract expiring...did Amare, Joe Johnson, and Boozer collude too? They're contracts expired at the same time? The entire 2003 draft class signed the same contracts.

It had nothing to do with colluding. They were all drafted at the same time, under the same CBA rules, all franchise players. Of course they sighed the same types of deals. Any agent worth is salt is telling his client to sign the exact same contract.

Are all the NFL players drafted in the last year colluding as well? The class of 2011 all have similar contacts as well.

[JtheEntertainer]

Everyone on here acting like the best players left play with lebron on the Heat: So far, neither Wade or Bosh have played anything like stars these playoffs. Ray Allen and Birdman are the ones stepping up their game... And that's I'm part from playing with lebron. Stop the nonsenee

[willds09]

Everyone on here acting like the best players left play with lebron on the Heat: So far, neither Wade or Bosh have played anything like stars these playoffs. Ray Allen and Birdman are the ones stepping up their game... And that's I'm part from playing with lebron. Stop the nonsenee
niguh they playing tha bucks, and tha bucks two superstars are not playing like superstars either:no:

[FLDFSU]

This is so false. Dwight & Cp3's contracts don't expire until after THIS YEAR. Miami wouldn't have been able to save that much cap over 2 years. Miami would have had to spend their extra cap space to fill out the roster after signing Bosh & Wade.


It does not really matter when their contracts expire. The point is that Riley had enough room to sign another franchise player. Be it in summer of 2010, 2011, or 2012. There were a number of potential free agents in 2010 that Riley could have targeted that were set to become free agents in the upcoming years.

For two and three seasons BEFORE Lebron, NYC, CHI, MIA, and NJ didn't spend cap space. Did they not field teams prior to the summer of 2010?

What exactly stops the Heat, after signing Wade and Bosh from managing their cap space for a swing at Deron Williams?

[JtheEntertainer]

niguh they playing tha bucks, and tha bucks two superstars are not playing like superstars either:no:

Heats team defense is fluttering Jennings and lebron is shutting down Ellis. Early in playoffs with plenty of time for Bosh and Wade to step it up but people need to stop acting like LeBron is playing with the best players left in the playoffs.

[Iceberg Slim]

:confusedshrug:
Haters are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and guess what? I LOVE IT :oldlol:

dat HGH tho

[TheMarkMadsen]

First, lets accept that James Wade and Bosh colluded. Still doesn't change the fact on the morning of his announcement Wade and Bosh were on the same team with enough cap space to sign yet another franchise player.

You say the Heat would have fill out their roster. There would be nothing stopping Riley from doing what New York did with Carmelo.

Sign Amare..."fill out the roster" and still sign/wait out for Melo.

Again, you're Lebron what exactly would you do?

By the way, this nonsense about contract expiring...did Amare, Joe Johnson, and Boozer collude too? They're contracts expired at the same time? The entire 2003 draft class signed the same contracts.

It had nothing to do with colluding. They were all drafted at the same time, under the same CBA rules, all franchise players. Of course they sighed the same types of deals. Any agent worth is salt is telling his client to sign the exact same contract.

Are all the NFL players drafted in the last year colluding as well? The class of 2011 all have similar contacts as well.

:facepalm

The Knicks were able to sign Amare & then wait trade for Melo because they already had enough players to fit a roster under contract when they signed Amare, If Miami would have only signed Wade & Bosh they would have needed the rest of that cap to fill out the roster & or they would have spent a good sum of it on a minor 3rd piece to compliment Wade & Bosh.

This spin you try to put on things to make it sound like Lebron was forced into joining the HEAT is pretty pathetic

Also, Wade & Lebron made sure when they signed their first max deals with CLE & MIAMI to have an opt out clause for the same year, this is well known and people were curious about it at the time.


You have no idea what you're talking about right now

[Duncan21formvp]

:confusedshrug:
Haters are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and guess what? I LOVE IT :oldlol:
Not his fault, but joining and forming a superteam and the competition not healthy doesn't help him one bit.

[willds09]

:facepalm

The Knicks were able to sign Amare & then wait trade for Melo because they already had enough players to fit a roster under contract when they signed Amare, If Miami would have only signed Wade & Bosh they would have needed the rest of that cap to fill out the roster & or they would have spent a good sum of it on a minor 3rd piece to compliment Wade & Bosh.

This spin you try to put on things to make it sound like Lebron was forced into joining the HEAT is pretty pathetic

Also, Wade & Lebron made sure when they signed their first max deals with CLE & MIAMI to have an opt out clause for the same year, this is well known and people were curious about it at the time.


You have no idea what you're talking about right now
and tha three stooges had that interview saying not 6, not 7 not 8, anthony and stoudamire were never that dumb to say dat:facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

It does not really matter when their contracts expire. The point is that Riley had enough room to sign another franchise player. Be it in summer of 2010, 2011, or 2012. There were a number of potential free agents in 2010 that Riley could have targeted that were set to become free agents in the upcoming years.

For two and three seasons BEFORE Lebron, NYC, CHI, MIA, and NJ didn't spend cap space. Did they not field teams prior to the summer of 2010?

What exactly stops the Heat, after signing Wade and Bosh from managing their cap space for a swing at Deron Williams?


stop making yourself look like such a dumbass, those teams were specifically only acquiring contracts that would expire in 2010, when they signed or traded for a player they made sure the contract would expire in 2010.

[willds09]

Heats team defense is fluttering Jennings and lebron is shutting down Ellis. Early in playoffs with plenty of time for Bosh and Wade to step it up but people need to stop acting like LeBron is playing with the best players left in the playoffs.
besides lebron they have wade and bosh, dats all i gotta say:facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

It does not really matter when their contracts expire. The point is that Riley had enough room to sign another franchise player. Be it in summer of 2010, 2011, or 2012. There were a number of potential free agents in 2010 that Riley could have targeted that were set to become free agents in the upcoming years.

For two and three seasons BEFORE Lebron, NYC, CHI, MIA, and NJ didn't spend cap space. Did they not field teams prior to the summer of 2010?

What exactly stops the Heat, after signing Wade and Bosh from managing their cap space for a swing at Deron Williams?

Do you really think that Riley would sign Bosh & Wade to just stall the next couple of years only signing players to 1 year contracts on the hopes of signing D will 2 years down the road :facepalm

NO! If they would have signed Bosh & Wade they wouldn't have been looking to save any cap space they would have been looking to spend that cap space in hopes of putting a Championship team together for that year.

[longtime lurker]

um.. sorry, but where's his competition? Oh! They're on his team! :applause:

I lol'd

[longtime lurker]

Everyone on here acting like the best players left play with lebron on the Heat: So far, neither Wade or Bosh have played anything like stars these playoffs. Ray Allen and Birdman are the ones stepping up their game... And that's I'm part from playing with lebron. Stop the nonsenee

ROFL I can already see the Lebron carried this team by himself stories beginning to form if the Heat win. Wade and Bosh were trash while he battled through the tough east with so many missing players

[Droid101]

How would you feel about, say, Shaq's 2001 Championship if:

Chris Webber was out, Tim Duncan was out, and Allen Iverson was out?

[TheMarkMadsen]

How would you feel about, say, Shaq's 2001 Championship if:

Chris Webber was out, Tim Duncan was out, and Allen Iverson was out?


"MIL still had their big 3 in Allen, Robinson & Cassell, they would have made the finals Iverson or no Iverson"





:roll:

[chosen_wun]

How would you feel about, say, Shaq's 2001 Championship if:

Chris Webber was out, Tim Duncan was out, and Allen Iverson was out?
You're being a *****.

The only player of that caliber that is out is Kobe, and maybe Rose. But Rose is being a ***** by his own will.

[Droid101]

You're being a *****.

The only player of that caliber that is out is Kobe, and maybe Rose. But Rose is being a ***** by his own will.
Huh?

Kobe - recent MVP.
Rose - recent MVP.
Westbrook - pretty damn valuable player. 1a and 1b.
Granger - Key Indiana player who helped the Pacers take a 2-1 lead on the Heat last season.
Rondo - Enough said, really.

Seriously? Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

[longtime lurker]

Huh?

Kobe - recent MVP.
Rose - recent MVP.
Westbrook - pretty damn valuable player. 1a and 1b.
Granger - Key Indiana player who helped the Pacers take a 2-1 lead on the Heat last season.
Rondo - Enough said, really.

Seriously? Your post is bad and you should feel bad.
.
April 2013 plus a Lebron fan. Double whammy of stupidity.

[chosen_wun]

Huh?

Kobe - recent MVP.
Rose - recent MVP.
Westbrook- pretty damn valuable player. 1a and 1b.
Granger - Key Indiana player who helped the Pacers take a 2-1 lead on the Heat last season.
Rondo - Enough said, really.

Seriously? Your post is bad and you should feel bad.
You're a fcking dumbass.

Kobe is playing on a fringe lottery team, he wasn't challenging shit.

Rose is HEALTHY.

the rest of the dudes you named are no Duncan, Iverson, Webber etc...seriously Danny Granger ? you fcking imbecile.:facepalm

[eSOL]

Bitch made haters still salty?

Whats new.

Just bend over and take it brick stans

[Droid101]

:(

We need more people helping turn the Apr 2013 Trolls red. I have given out too much rep in the last 24 hours!

[Straight_Ballin]

Whatever. Ring counting is the lowest form of raking players. We all know LeBron is the best. Whether or not the heat win a ring this season doesn't change that.

And, you know like I know, that the ring counters aren't gonna give a shit how he got it or the context.

What's the point being the best when the good competition is on your team? It's like patting yourself on the back for nothing.

[tazb]

I posted this in one of these types of threads a long time ago. Haters are so mad. :roll: So I guess all of Jordan's rings don't count because of Bird & Magic having to retire early cause of back injuries & aids. :facepalm

[willds09]

I posted this in one of these types of threads a long time ago. Haters are so mad. :roll: So I guess all of Jordan's rings don't count because of Bird & Magic having to retire early cause of back injuries & aids. :facepalm
you dumb:facepalm

[Soundwave]

I'd rather see a Heat-Clippers NBA Finals anyway.

Will be more fun than watching Miami beat OKC again.

[FLDFSU]

stop making yourself look like such a dumbass, those teams were specifically only acquiring contracts that would expire in 2010, when they signed or traded for a player they made sure the contract would expire in 2010.

So what was stopping Pat Riley from not specifically acquiring contracts---in order fill out the roster---to expire in 2011?

Just like he...wait for it...did in 2010 for Lebron, Wade, and Bosh? Only this time for the purpose of acquiring a DWILL or MELO the following summer?

Why are you assuming that Riley needed to hand out muli year deals by the summer of 2010?

Did Brooklyn spend all their cap space by the end of 2010? Absolutely NOT otherwise they would not have been able to make a run at DWILL last summer and hand out contracts to Lopez and others.

[longtime lurker]

So what was stopping Pat Riley from not specifically acquiring contracts---in order fill out the roster---to expire in 2011?

Just like he...wait for it...did in 2010 for Lebron, Wade, and Bosh? Only this time for the purpose of acquiring a DWILL or MELO the following summer?

Why are you assuming that Riley needed to hand out muli year deals by the summer of 2010?

Did Brooklyn spend all their cap space by the end of 2010? Absolutely NOT otherwise they would not have been able to make a run at DWILL last summer and hand out contracts to Lopez and others.

The answer to your asanine question is collusion

[willds09]

I'd rather see a Heat-Clippers NBA Finals anyway.

Will be more fun than watching Miami beat OKC again.
too bad heat wont make it:confusedshrug:

[FLDFSU]

Do you really think that Riley would sign Bosh & Wade to just stall the next couple of years only signing players to 1 year contracts on the hopes of signing D will 2 years down the road :facepalm

NO! If they would have signed Bosh & Wade they wouldn't have been looking to save any cap space they would have been looking to spend that cap space in hopes of putting a Championship team together for that year.


Are the Mavs stalling? Or did they not manage their cap space for a run at Dwight?

Mavs stripped their roster...signed Dirk to a long term deal...signed Mayo...and filled out the rest of their roster...and guess what...they set up their contracts in a way that will STILL allow them a run at Dwight this summer.

[Nash]

I don't know if ya'll remember, but a team lead by Lebron just beat a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harden(and Ibaka) last season.

Lakers had Kobe, Dwight, Nash and Gasol this season and didn't make it look easy at all. Or Knicks have all kinds of problems making it work with Melo, Amare and Chandler.

You guys simplifying the game of basketball too much without giving Lebron enough credit when talking about how easy everything is.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Are the Mavs stalling? Or did they not manage their cap space for a run at Dwight?

Mavs stripped their roster...signed Dirk to a long term deal...signed Mayo...and filled out the rest of their roster...and guess what...they set up their contracts in a way that will STILL allow them a run at Dwight this summer.


The mavs have clearly been stalling the past 2 years

[RagaZ]

PEDs.

[chosen_one6]

PEDs.

They don't prevent injury, they just help you recover from them faster. :lol

LeBron just doesn't get injured. Period.

[Bandito]

Of course it is, everything is Lebrons' fault.His mother should've swallowed.

j/k. I know Lebron has his faults but it is just coincidence that the last 2 years his competition had injuries.

[FLDFSU]

The answer to your asanine question is collusion

Call it what you want...But if I am Lebron James...I am not returning to Cleveland or going to NYC while Pat Riley and the Heat build yet another super power in the East with Wade Bosh and ______________________, to go along with Boston, LA, and SA.

Either I join that team with the hope to win multiple titles or try to build another super team be it in NYC or CLE or CHI. The point is one way or another Lebron needed to be on a super team in order to compete for multiple championships. And more importantly, Lebron's (or Jordan, or Magic, or Bird, or Kobe, or Shaq, etc.) prospects of winning a ring with Wade Bosh and ___________________ playing in Miami would not be too great.

[Bandito]

I don't know if ya'll remember, but a team lead by Lebron just beat a team with Westbrook, Durant and Harden(and Ibaka) last season.

Lakers had Kobe, Dwight, Nash and Gasol this season and didn't make it look easy at all. Or Knicks have all kinds of problems making it work with Melo, Amare and Chandler.

You guys simplifying the game of basketball too much without giving Lebron enough credit when talking about how easy everything is.
No they didn't. I know you only see the stats, so you must know Nash, Gasol and Dwight lost a lot of games during the season and kobe didn't even finish the last 2 games. Watch the games bro.:facepalm

The Knicks missed Amare for most of the season.:facepalm

Do you watch the games, or just see the scores on ESPN?

[Lebron23]

Last year LeBron and the Heat beat the Pacers and Celtics with an injured Bosh. CB1 missed plenty of games in the post season.

[plowking]

No they didn't. I know you only see the stats, so you must know Nash, Gasol and Dwight lost a lot of games during the season and kobe didn't even finish the last 2 games. Watch the games bro.:facepalm

The Knicks missed Amare for most of the season.:facepalm

Do you watch the games, or just see the scores on ESPN?

Your Heat hate has shone through once again. Couldn't stick to being a normal poster without giant biases?

[Robalvarez2010]

Huh?

Kobe - recent MVP.
Rose - recent MVP.
Westbrook - pretty damn valuable player. 1a and 1b.
Granger - Key Indiana player who helped the Pacers take a 2-1 lead on the Heat last season.
Rondo - Enough said, really.

Seriously? Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

So what's your excuse then for the past two seasons when the heat took out Boston, Indiana, Chicago, and Oklahoma and they had all there main key guys?

[2010splash]

The "legendary and all-time great" 1987 Lakers' path to the NBA Finals:

1st round: 37-45 Denver Nuggets
2nd round: 42-40 Golden State Warriors
3rd round: 39-43 Seattle SuperSonics

Fact is that teams have had it easier than the Heat. They are getting breaks with other elite teams losing their best players to injuries, but they are overwhelming, massive favorites to win it all even if everyone else on every other team is healthy anyway.

Also, the Heat were far from healthy during last year's playoffs. Wade and Bosh = proof of that.

[Bandito]

Your Heat hate has shone through once again. Couldn't stick to being a normal poster without giant biases?
I'm not hating on the HEat genius. I wasn't even talking about the Heat, I am just presenting the facts that the Lakers have missed most of their key players and the Knicks have missed Amare most of the season. Why so insecure about nothing?

To be honest I don't even badmouth the Heat as I give praise to Pat Riley to putting this team together.:bowdown:

With you stans is either we are on your side or you're not. You stans should get a room and just have a big orgy while watching Lebron kill Jennings in the first round:roll:

[okayabc123]

Injuries will catch up to Lebron one day. Father time always does. But in the meantime, just enjoy one of the best to play. You can argue night and day who's the best EVER, but you can't deny the fact Lebron, Kobe will always be part of that conversation.

I don't like Lebron's game, but I always feel he will go down as the best athlete that ever played this game. Overall, is he better than Jordan? We have to wait how his career is played out. Honestly, with so many knee, achillies injuries that happens to athletes these days. You never know if Lebron is next, especially since he plays very physical, high flying and bulldoze his way to the basket.

[Bandito]

Injuries will catch up to Lebron one day. Father time always does. But in the meantime, just enjoy one of the best to play. You can argue night and day who's the best EVER, but you can't deny the fact Lebron, Kobe will always be part of that conversation.

I don't like Lebron's game, but I always feel he will go down as the best athlete that ever played this game. Overall, is he better than Jordan? We have to wait how his career is played out. Honestly, with so many knee, achillies injuries that happens to athletes these days. You never know if Lebron is next, especially since he plays very physical, high flying and bulldoze his way to the basket.
Hope that doesn't happen. :(

[Nash]

No they didn't. I know you only see the stats, so you must know Nash, Gasol and Dwight lost a lot of games during the season and kobe didn't even finish the last 2 games. Watch the games bro.:facepalm

The Knicks missed Amare for most of the season.:facepalm

Do you watch the games, or just see the scores on ESPN?
You are making excuses. Teams with LESS talent did so much better than Lakers, how come?

Basketball is not about being stacked, its a team game. There are only that many shots available in a game and when a bunch of 1st options get together they will not be as good as they once were when they were stars of their teams. Miami are playing fantastic team basketball and being "stacked" doesn't automatically mean that you will succeed. Actually, in many cases, it could have the other effect because players who are used to not playing off the ball have no idea what the hell they are doing. For reference, check Miami during their first season together. Even though they made the finals they were absolute shit in offense. Lebron, Wade and Bosh had no idea how not to play a game where they were not aloud to take about 20 shots each a game.

[longtime lurker]

Call it what you want...But if I am Lebron James...I am not returning to Cleveland or going to NYC while Pat Riley and the Heat build yet another super power in the East with Wade Bosh and ______________________, to go along with Boston, LA, and SA.

Either I join that team with the hope to win multiple titles or try to build another super team be it in NYC or CLE or CHI. The point is one way or another Lebron needed to be on a super team in order to compete for multiple championships. And more importantly, Lebron's (or Jordan, or Magic, or Bird, or Kobe, or Shaq, etc.) prospects of winning a ring with Wade Bosh and ___________________ playing in Miami would not be too great.

Thanks for completely not bothering to respond to the point I was making which was the answer to your question as to why Riley was not handing out deals for 2011 free agency.

[longtime lurker]

You are making excuses. Teams with LESS talent did so much better than Lakers, how come?

Basketball is not about being stacked, its a team game. There are only that many shots available in a game and when a bunch of 1st options get together they will not be as good as they once were when they were stars of their teams. Miami are playing fantastic team basketball and being "stacked" doesn't automatically mean that you will succeed. Actually, in many cases, it could have the other effect because players who are used to not playing off the ball have no idea what the hell they are doing. For reference, check Miami during their first season together. Even though they made the finals they were absolute shit in offense. Lebron, Wade and Bosh had no idea how not to play a game where they were not aloud to take about 20 shots each a game.

So you don't think the fact the made the finals in the first place had to do with the fact that they're STACKED?

[Straight_Ballin]

So you don't think the fact the made the finals in the first place had to do with the fact that they're STACKED?

It's really sad when Bron stans and Heat Bandwagonerswon't admit that the team is stacked. They are so insecure and really expect people to congratulate their teams success, which is rather foolish considering that the Heat are stacked and expected to perform at the level they are.

[daj0264]

yes

[willds09]

Last year LeBron and the Heat beat the Pacers and Celtics with an injured Bosh. CB1 missed plenty of games in the post season.
Really??:wtf:

[Ancient Legend]

The Heat are so good because LeBron rises the level of play of his teammates to the point that they look stacked. It's not the other way around.

Before the season nobody wanted Birdman. Chalmers was the 34th pick and Cole 28th. All teams passed them because they weren't that good. But LeBron makes them look good as he did with the scrubs he had with the Cavs.

They just play like a team now, I credit Wade for letting LeBron take the reins of the team. Their first year their ISO offense was unrealiable. Bosh has settled into his role, he was more of a postup player with the Raps and his defense sucked.

[nashwade]

maybe Lebron should spend millions to protect his competitors like Westbrook and Rondo so his rings actually mean something

life is tough

[AussieG]

I wonder what it would have been like if the internet and message boards were around during Jordan's prime. I guess this is the closest thing..

[uoykcuf]

The Heat are so good because LeBron rises the level of play of his teammates to the point that they look stacked. It's not the other way around.

Before the season nobody wanted Birdman. Chalmers was the 34th pick and Cole 28th. All teams passed them because they weren't that good. But LeBron makes them look good as he did with the scrubs he had with the Cavs.

They just play like a team now, I credit Wade for letting LeBron take the reins of the team. Their first year their ISO offense was unrealiable. Bosh has settled into his role, he was more of a postup player with the Raps and his defense sucked.

:applause: :applause:

It's not about being "stacked" but having enough individual talent + the most important aspect, chemistry. If the Heat played mostly isos like they did the first year they wouldn't be nearly as effective. They are so good because they have the best player in all the land + they play great team defense + they have ball movement that rivals the best Spurs teams + chemistry.

[Ancient Legend]

I wonder what it would have been like if the internet and message boards were around during Jordan's prime. I guess this is the closest thing..

"Jordan didn't face a prime Dr. J in the playoffs!"

[Rose'sACL]

I wonder what it would have been like if the internet and message boards were around during Jordan's prime. I guess this is the closest thing..
his shoes wouldn't be selling this well. While i do believe he is the GOAT, he wasn't as great as most people say. I think there have been a few players who are very close to him. Lebron, Durant(most probably), kobe, duncan are(or will be) all considered top 10 players of all time when they retire.As great as jordan was he never played against so many GOAT type players during his championship years.

[Simple Jack]

Funny how people listed like 3 players in the East...

They are likely to only play 1 of those teams along the way to the Finals.

All year the discussion was the Knicks being the biggest threat to the Heat and it still seems that way. They will likely still have to face the Knicks...nothing has changed.

[FLDFSU]

The Heat are so good because LeBron rises the level of play of his teammates to the point that they look stacked. It's not the other way around.

Before the season nobody wanted Birdman. Chalmers was the 34th pick and Cole 28th. All teams passed them because they weren't that good. But LeBron makes them look good as he did with the scrubs he had with the Cavs.

They just play like a team now, I credit Wade for letting LeBron take the reins of the team. Their first year their ISO offense was unrealiable. Bosh has settled into his role, he was more of a postup player with the Raps and his defense sucked.


Don't worry these are the same people who will tell you if you remove Lebron off of the Cavs they would still win 50 games and compete for a championship because Cleveland was so stacked too.

[Wavves]

The Heat are so good because LeBron rises the level of play of his teammates to the point that they look stacked. It's not the other way around.

Before the season nobody wanted Birdman. Chalmers was the 34th pick and Cole 28th. All teams passed them because they weren't that good. But LeBron makes them look good as he did with the scrubs he had with the Cavs.

They just play like a team now, I credit Wade for letting LeBron take the reins of the team. Their first year their ISO offense was unrealiable. Bosh has settled into his role, he was more of a postup player with the Raps and his defense sucked.

Great post :applause:

[leMVP]

I wonder what it would have been like if the internet and message boards were around during Jordan's prime. I guess this is the closest thing..

:applause:

[SewerUrchin]

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[Ancient Legend]

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All glory to the Hypno-Bron

[pauk]

Ofcourse it is....


I think what is even more pathetic is to act like those guys being healthy would win over Lebron/Miami......

[Bandito]

You are making excuses. Teams with LESS talent did so much better than Lakers, how come?

Basketball is not about being stacked, its a team game. There are only that many shots available in a game and when a bunch of 1st options get together they will not be as good as they once were when they were stars of their teams. Miami are playing fantastic team basketball and being "stacked" doesn't automatically mean that you will succeed. Actually, in many cases, it could have the other effect because players who are used to not playing off the ball have no idea what the hell they are doing. For reference, check Miami during their first season together. Even though they made the finals they were absolute shit in offense. Lebron, Wade and Bosh had no idea how not to play a game where they were not aloud to take about 20 shots each a game.But they made the finals,and the reason they lost was not because they weren't stacked , it was because Lebron choked and Dirk played like he was about to get shot.

I think basketball is a sport where in order to win you need a lot of starpower. If you don't agree look at the past teams. I think the only team to not be like that where the Pistons, where they have a lot of good players but not stars.

So what happens when you have the best starts in the world and they do not play, or play badly due to injuries to basketball? You end up on the 8th spot on the playoffs.

An example would be the Mcgrady/Yao duo in the Rockets. A lot of potential there that wasn't fruitful due to the injuries to both of them, specially Yao:(

Also tell me a team with less talent, that did better in the west than the Lakers? Because I thought the Timberwolves were playoff material but couldn't capitalize due to the injuries.

In the east the only reason the Bulls are succesful is because they play the bucks like 3 times a year.:roll: The lakers don't have that luxury as they have to play the Clippers 3 times a year, a team way stronger than the Bucks. You have to take things in perpective. Even the Kings or the Suns are better than the Bucks.

[dekciw]

How to post on ISH :


Step 1 : Find a thread about any NBA player

Step 2 : Only read the opening post, the rest is irrelevant

Step 3 : Twist the subject around and apply it to Lebron

Step 4 : Post your new thread.

:facepalm

[Djahjaga]

Huh?

Kobe - recent MVP.
Rose - recent MVP.
Westbrook - pretty damn valuable player. 1a and 1b.
Granger - Key Indiana player who helped the Pacers take a 2-1 lead on the Heat last season.
Rondo - Enough said, really.

Seriously? Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

Stop.

1. Kobe was on a 7th/8th seed team. His injury didn't affect the bigger picture.
2. Rose has been cleared to play for two months, now.
3. Granger's injury has allowed Paul George, described as "an afterthought offensively" by his own coach in last year's Pacers/Heat series, to flourish and win the MIP award. Indiana's better than ever.
4. As much as I love Rondo, we were sucking even before he went down. If we have him now, MAYBE we make it out of the first round. And then what? We have to beat the Pacers. And ONLY THEN can we actually play Miami. The odds aren't favorable.


The only one you have a case for is Westbrook. But the West is so strong a conference, as everyone here knows, that it was never a sure thing the Thunder were going to make it to the Finals. He does make it a bit easier for Bron, obviously, but the Spurs, Clips, Grizz, and Nuggets are still very strong teams. I had the Spurs beating OKC anyway.

Injuries happen every year. Cop out to blame them.

[Kingwillball]

knock on Wood...:hammerhead: