May 4: Floyd Mayweather vs. Robert Guerrero for the WBC and Ring Welterweight titles

[Lebron23]

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[CENTER]Main Event

Welterweight Championship bout: United States Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. United States Robert Guerrero

Undercard

Featherweight Championship bout: Mexico Daniel Ponce de Le

[L.Kizzle]

Easy work.

Will be similar to the Ricky Hatton fight but with a Victor Ortiz like boxer with possibly the same outcome(s.)

[raiderfan19]

Why do we need Floyd to fight Canelo? You wanna see Canelo lose that badly?

[plowking]

Floyd will never takte that fight!

Many Mayweather fans are realizing this and start saying that Canelo is too big for Floyd anyway.

You're speaking with your heart instead of your head.

You saw his fight against Trout, and if you really think he has a shot, then I don't know what to say. He doesn't throw enough punches, hes not quick enough and he seemed to gas a little in the fight. That is not the style of fighter to beat Floyd.

Punches in bunches is what is needed. Canelo is not that guy.

[lefthook00]

Your best bet is to put pressure on Floyd behind a really good jab, but that combo is hard to find, and nothing has worked so far anyway. If you sit back and let Floyd open up on you, which Canelo's style will allow, you're going to get your ass beat even worse.

[raiderfan19]

The Canelo fight will happen in may of next year if it's going to happen

[PK3434]

I see this fight playing out more like the cotto fight. This is a very good ppv card overall..almost worth the money.

If Floyd is really thinking about retiring soon he might as well take the Canelo fight next because that could potentially come close to breaking his and oscar's ppv record.

But I just don't imagine Floyd fighting more than once a year anymore. He hasn't in a long time.

[kNicKz]

I used to love boxing before everyone starting ducking each other and the belts became meaningless.

[PK3434]

I used to love boxing before everyone starting ducking each other and the belts became meaningless.

Because of what you mentioned plus bad judging and politics, boxing is extremely frustrating. But there is a lot of great talent in boxing right now which is bringing more excitement to the sport in my opinion.

[L.Kizzle]

I see this fight playing out more like the cotto fight. This is a very good ppv card overall..almost worth the money.

If Floyd is really thinking about retiring soon he might as well take the Canelo fight next because that could potentially come close to breaking his and oscar's ppv record.

But I just don't imagine Floyd fighting more than once a year anymore. He hasn't in a long time.
He has a 6 month-30 fight contract, he's gonna have too. Plus, he said he's fighting in September.

His next fight will probably be vs Devon Alexander (who he was actually heavily considering before he chose Robert Guerrero), though Amir Khan and Danny Garcia (with a win tonight) are also good choices.

The Canelo fight has to happen no latter than next year, or it won't happen. Floyd will be 37 next year.

After Canelo, he has many options. A dream fight with Pacquiao if Manny starts a win streak beginning with Alverado and Rios latter this year.

Adrien Broner, young pupil meets mentor fight.

[Wally450]

He has a 6 month-30 fight contract, he's gonna have too. Plus, he said he's fighting in September.

His next fight will probably be vs Devon Alexander (who he was actually heavily considering before he chose Robert Guerrero), though Amir Khan and Danny Garcia (with a win tonight) are also good choices.

The Canelo fight has to happen no latter than next year, or it won't happen. Floyd will be 37 next year.

After Canelo, he has many options. A dream fight with Pacquiao if Manny starts a win streak beginning with Alverado and Rios latter this year.

Adrien Broner, young pupil meets mentor fight.

Cot dam.....

I know I know, it's a 30 month 6 fight contract

[L.Kizzle]

Cot dam.....

I know I know, it's a 30 month 6 fight contract
Oh shit, haha.

[DonDadda59]

Say what you want about Canelo, and there's plenty of criticism you can toss his way, but between he and Floyd, he's fought the best opponent of either in the last 2 years or so.

Trout > Cotto > Guerrero > > Ortiz

About time he stepped up :lol

[L.Kizzle]

How many rounds do y'all give Guerrero? He might squeak out 2.

[bdreason]

You couldn't pay me to watch Floyd dodge a guy for 12 rounds in route to another decision victory.

[Burgz V2]

who has Canelo fought? stop the madness, the only one of worthy mention is Sugar Shane, but dude is not only over the hill, he's off the hill, on his way home and getting ready for bed.

He's got a nice right hand but that's no where near enough to beat Floyd.

As for Guerrero, I say unanimous decision. I say he keeps up for maybe 6 rounds and then Floyd just out-boxes him the rest of the way. Doubt we see a KO.

[PK3434]

He has a 6 month-30 fight contract, he's gonna have too. Plus, he said he's fighting in September.

His next fight will probably be vs Devon Alexander (who he was actually heavily considering before he chose Robert Guerrero), though Amir Khan and Danny Garcia (with a win tonight) are also good choices.

The Canelo fight has to happen no latter than next year, or it won't happen. Floyd will be 37 next year.

After Canelo, he has many options. A dream fight with Pacquiao if Manny starts a win streak beginning with Alverado and Rios latter this year.

Adrien Broner, young pupil meets mentor fight.

I could be wrong but I have read that Floyd has multiple outs in that new contract and can really fight whenever he wants...although I think his money is maximized if he does the 6 fights in that time period. I just don't see it happening.

[Lebron23]

Love the under card in this fight.

Daniel Ponce De Leon vs. Abner Mares

Leo Sta. Cruz is the next Antonio Margarito. I think he might win a couple of titles in the higher weight classes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRBewGiY63U

[1987_Lakers]

Is the fight gonna be on Showtime?

[PistonsFan#21]

You couldn't pay me to watch Floyd dodge a guy for 12 rounds in route to another decision victory.

be honest and tell me last time you saw a Mayweather fight. If by dodging you mean moving around alot then i can guarantee you haven`t see a Floyd fight in a very long time

[SCREWstonRockets]

The ghost is tailor made for Floyd. He's gonna get countered all night.

As for Canelo, I don't think it is exactly next. Remember, he has a long contract. Canelo is a risky fight. If anything, he takes Canelo towards the end of his contract.

I hope Devon Alexandar is not next. That is a weak ass fight. But I wouldn't be surprised, it's a low risk fight and he does have five fights left.

[L.Kizzle]

Is the fight gonna be on Showtime?
PPV.

[RedBlackAttack]

that would be my guess. or, if he loses, that british guy :lol
You seem to have an incredibly low opinion of Mayweather.

And, I don't consider Canelo all that "risky." People seem to think he is a lot better than he actually is. I'm not sure where his massive amount of hype is rooted.

[PK3434]

There is no way Floyd fights Alexander next...

Lets be honest, his ppv numbers are going to be down for this fight for a few reasons:

1. Less households have showtime still, and even though its a ppv, less people have watched All Access than would have watched 24/7

2. The promotion got off to a very late start.

3. Guerrero isn't a very charismatic opponent..and he stopped doing a lot of interviews after the gun arrest.

4. Marquez killed any possibility of the pacquaio fight so that takes away a little bit of casual fan interest

So his next fight will have to make a big splash..which is why I'm hoping its Canelo...and say what you want about Canelo, but he is a huge star and that fight could potentially be the highest selling ppv ever, and give showtime the boost its looking for after investing so much money into Floyd.

[SCREWstonRockets]

You seem to have an incredibly low opinion of Mayweather.

And, I don't consider Canelo all that "risky." People seem to think he is a lot better than he actually is. I'm not sure where his massive amount of hype is rooted.

It's not even about him being better than be actually is. Compared to all the realistic options for Floyd to fight, you don't think he's risky at all? Here we have Canelo, who is a natural 154lber. I think it's safe to say that he's a tougher opponent than his last few.

He's just as qualified to get a Mayweather fight as Ortiz and Robert. A better boxer than those two. He's not damaged like Cotto nor is he a lightweight like Marquez.

I still think Mayweather beats him via decision but I don't see it as a walk in the park. I mean, who else is out that is more of a risky fight than Canelo? Or do you think there isn't anybody out there that is a risky fight for Floyd?

[Reef]

It's not even about him being better than be actually is. Compared to all the realistic options for Floyd to fight, you don't think he's risky at all? Here we have Canelo, who is a natural 154lber. I think it's safe to say that he's a tougher opponent than his last few.

He's just as qualified to get a Mayweather fight as Ortiz and Robert. A better boxer than those two. He's not damaged like Cotto nor is he a lightweight like Marquez.

I still think Mayweather beats him via decision but I don't see it as a walk in the park. I mean, who else is out that is more of a risky fight than Canelo? Or do you think there isn't anybody out there that is a risky fight for Floyd?

Canelo is not a better boxer than Guerrero. He does hit harder though.

[Reef]

:facepalm

have you even seen the Aydin fight??


Edit: plus he got beat up in a lot of rounds by a very weird version of Berto...

:oldlol:

I did see the Aydin fight. Yes, his defense isn't great, but offensively he's a solid boxer. His boxing is what won him that fight against Aydin. He's never been known for his power, which shows that his boxing is what wins him fights.

He jumped up 2 divisions and outboxed a much bigger stronger fighter in Berto, on the inside. He can fight on the outside or inside.

Did you not see Canelo get outboxed by Trout? He had no answer for Trout's jab.

[Reef]

;-)

ok, I guess we have to disagree.
I had Guerrero losing to Aydin by 1 point, I thought he got outboxed.
For me, the Trout fight had me thinking damn this kid really is the real deal!

we might find out, there are not too many big names for Floyd to face so who knows

Don't get me wrong, I think Canelo is the real deal and the top guy at 154. However, he needs to throw more punches and just needs experience. At this point, I would give him a puncher's chance against Floyd. I think Guerrero is more crafty, experienced, and has a higher boxing IQ. I actually think he'll give Floyd a lot of problems and surprise a lot of people.

[Iceberg Slim]

we need a Mayweather vs. Canelo ASAP.

I'm pretty sure its happening after the Guerrero vs Mayweather fight.

I'm positive Mayweather saw hte Canelo vs Trout fight and sees some things he can do to CAnelo

Guerrero will have some success early and that will make Canelo think he can beat Mayweather

I'm pretty excited for this mayweather fight. Mayweather's legs are gone and that is the reason why he's been standing in the pocket more and engaging. Guerrero will come forward and provide an entertaining challenge but once it hits hte middle of the rounds..he's going to realize Mayweather is a lot stronger than he thinks. It'll be Guerrero backing up and Mayeather should put a clinic the 2nd half of the fight.

[Iceberg Slim]

Don't get me wrong, I think Canelo is the real deal and the top guy at 154. However, he needs to throw more punches and just needs experience. At this point, I would give him a puncher's chance against Floyd. I think Guerrero is more crafty, experienced, and has a higher boxing IQ. I actually think he'll give Floyd a lot of problems and surprise a lot of people.

I think Canelo doesn't punch more because he is scared of gassing. I honestly think he has a limited gas tank. I'm sure he trains hard but I bet you his endurance/stamina will be his downfall.

HE fights at one speed and doesn't have a overdrive mode.

[Iceberg Slim]

It's not even about him being better than be actually is. Compared to all the realistic options for Floyd to fight, you don't think he's risky at all? Here we have Canelo, who is a natural 154lber. I think it's safe to say that he's a tougher opponent than his last few.

He's just as qualified to get a Mayweather fight as Ortiz and Robert. A better boxer than those two. He's not damaged like Cotto nor is he a lightweight like Marquez.

I still think Mayweather beats him via decision but I don't see it as a walk in the park. I mean, who else is out that is more of a risky fight than Canelo? Or do you think there isn't anybody out there that is a risky fight for Floyd?

there's absolutely no one else Mayweather can fight except Canelo.

Broner would never happen as they are friends.

Garcia would be a mismatch but people might pay for it. Maybe even Matthysee who knows

[PistonsFan#21]

not at all! I like him a lot!


(btw I already have seen couple vids from Floyd fans who say he should not fight Canelo because he's either too big for Floyd or they are afraid that they might rob him lol)


Floyd fights at 147 and he isnt even considered big for his weight class. Canelo in his last fight weighed in at the 154lbs limit and was up to 173lbs on fight night.

Floyd in his last fight at 154 came in even under that weight limit on fight night weighing only 150lbs if im not mistaken. So that means Canelo would be atleast 20lbs heavier if they were to fight. You cant tell me this isnt a huge size difference for a fight between 2 elite boxers.

[raiderfan19]

;-)

ok, I guess we have to disagree.
I had Guerrero losing to Aydin by 1 point, I thought he got outboxed.
For me, the Trout fight had me thinking damn this kid really is the real deal!

we might find out, there are not too many big names for Floyd to face so who knows
You could very easily argue that Canelo lost the trout fight. What would scare me most about that fight if I was Floyd was the judging. Floyd isn't knocking Canelo out and based on the scorecard(at least one of them) there is a danger that Canelo is just the anointed one of the powers that be and would be gifted a decision.

I thought Canelo one but 7/5 not the lopsided score that was given

[Iceberg Slim]

Floyd fights at 147 and he isnt even considered big for his weight class. Canelo in his last fight weighed in at the 154lbs limit and was up to 173lbs on fight night.

Floyd in his last fight at 154 came in even under that weight limit on fight night weighing only 150lbs if im not mistaken. So that means Canelo would be atleast 20lbs heavier if they were to fight. You cant tell me this isnt a huge size difference for a fight between 2 elite boxers.

Size wouldn't matter in this matchup. Mayweather would beat both Martinez and Canelo and I'm not a stan. I just watch way too much boxing

[PistonsFan#21]

Size wouldn't matter in this matchup. Mayweather would beat both Martinez and Canelo and I'm not a stan. I just watch way too much boxing

Canelo has some serious hitting power and good speed with good combinations. If he can land the same punches Miguel Cotto landed in his fight agaisnt Mayweather the extra weight would definitely make a difference. Especially since we dont know if Floyd can still move around the ring like he used to. With that said i would still favor Mayweather in a match up between the 2.

And im a Mayweather fan myself. i saw all of his fights and some of them more than once

[L.Kizzle]

Floyd is much more talented than the top fighters between 140 and 154. That goes for Canelo, Trout, Guerrero, Alexander, Garcia, Broner, Khan, Matthysse, Peterson, Bradley, Rios, Alvarado whoever.

[Burgz V2]

You seem to have an incredibly low opinion of Mayweather.

And, I don't consider Canelo all that "risky." People seem to think he is a lot better than he actually is. I'm not sure where his massive amount of hype is rooted.

this.

Who has this guy even fought? His most noteworthy fight is against a 40 yr old Sugar Shane.

He has ok movement and an above average right hand. Mayweather would destroy this guy.

[PistonsFan#21]

this.

Who has this guy even fought? His most noteworthy fight is against a 40 yr old Sugar Shane.

He has ok movement and an above average right hand. Mayweather would destroy this guy.

Trout win >>> Mosley

Trout was actually a real threat and an elite fighter at 154lbs

[imnew09]

I also think Canelo is too big for Mayweather, c-mon Canelo last fight he looked like he's at least 170... where Mayweather top weight to step into the ring was 15x maybe 160. Weight matters a lot in a bout, each power punch tends to hit harder as the weight is heavier.

[L.Kizzle]

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[RedBlackAttack]

It's not even about him being better than be actually is. Compared to all the realistic options for Floyd to fight, you don't think he's risky at all? Here we have Canelo, who is a natural 154lber. I think it's safe to say that he's a tougher opponent than his last few.

He's just as qualified to get a Mayweather fight as Ortiz and Robert. A better boxer than those two. He's not damaged like Cotto nor is he a lightweight like Marquez.

I still think Mayweather beats him via decision but I don't see it as a walk in the park. I mean, who else is out that is more of a risky fight than Canelo? Or do you think there isn't anybody out there that is a risky fight for Floyd?
I actually would put Guerrero and Canelo on around the same level of "riskiness" in respect to beating Floyd. I'm not saying that lightly, because I do think if Floyd has fallen off (and you never know with a guy at his age), Guerrero has a shot to take him out.

I'd give the same kind of shot to Canelo... Could he pose a risk to Floyd? Yeah, sure... If Floyd has lost a few steps. If not? Canelo's lack of footwork, one-dimensional nature and conditioning issues would doom him against Floyd.

Trout is a quality fighter, but I also thought that fight was razor close despite the scorecards. Canelo was thoroughly outboxed for the majority of the fight and relied almost exclusively on landing one or two shots in each round to impress the judges (some rounds, he landed nothing). That kind of approach will not work against Mayweather and, if I'm managing Canelo, that is the last fight I would want to make.

Canelo is building a nice name for himself and he has a devoted fanbase. I think Floyd would beat him badly -- possibly in embarrassing fashion -- given he is still the great fighter we've all seen over the last 15 years.

I actually think Canelo has a lot more to lose in that fight than Floyd does. And, I do think it will eventually happen anyway, making this conversation pointless.


As for guys that are dangerous to Floyd, it all depends on what kind of condition Floyd is in at this stage of his career. I didn't think he looked bad against Cotto contrary to popular opinion. He stood and traded with him, fighting Cotto's fight and eventually beating him with it.

We'll see how he looks against Guerrero. If we're talking about at welterweight, I don't think there's anyone who is all that "risky" for Floyd if he's still got it. I guess Pacquiao would still theoretically pose the most danger if I had to pick a guy, just because it's tough to project his funky style and how it will match up with other elite fighters.

At 154? I actually think Trout might be a more difficult style for Floyd than Canelo. He doesn't hit hard, but he has pretty fast hands and is a good all-around boxer. That coupled with his massive size advantage and Floyd's aging could make for a tough fight.

Who else is there? Molina? Bundrage?


I'm not saying the Canelo fight doesn't make sense and isn't worth making. It is undoubtedly the best fight that can be made in the sport from a publicity standpoint and Canelo is certainly amongst the best fighters from 147-154.

I'm just saying I haven't been overly impressed... Certainly not to the point where he's a guy Mayweather should be actively avoiding. He just doesn't look that great to me and I think it has the potential of being pretty easy work.

[Iceberg Slim]

Canelo has some serious hitting power and good speed with good combinations. If he can land the same punches Miguel Cotto landed in his fight agaisnt Mayweather the extra weight would definitely make a difference. Especially since we dont know if Floyd can still move around the ring like he used to. With that said i would still favor Mayweather in a match up between the 2.

And im a Mayweather fan myself. i saw all of his fights and some of them more than once

I just really think Mayweather's endurance/stamina will get him through the fight. Canelo just fights at the same pace. Mayweather will be smart and attack Canelo's body. He has some really good jabs and straight rights to the stomach.

[Iceberg Slim]

this.

Who has this guy even fought? His most noteworthy fight is against a 40 yr old Sugar Shane.

He has ok movement and an above average right hand. Mayweather would destroy this guy.

Trout is definitely his best win.

[Iceberg Slim]

I also think Canelo is too big for Mayweather, c-mon Canelo last fight he looked like he's at least 170... where Mayweather top weight to step into the ring was 15x maybe 160. Weight matters a lot in a bout, each power punch tends to hit harder as the weight is heavier.


well yeah if course the heavier you are the harder you hit but the speed difference will be obvious.

[lefthook00]

I actually would put Guerrero and Canelo on around the same level of "riskiness" in respect to beating Floyd. I'm not saying that lightly, because I do think if Floyd has fallen off (and you never know with a guy at his age), Guerrero has a shot to take him out.

I'd give the same kind of shot to Canelo... Could he pose a risk to Floyd? Yeah, sure... If Floyd has lost a few steps. If not? Canelo's lack of footwork, one-dimensional nature and conditioning issues would doom him against Floyd.

Trout is a quality fighter, but I also thought that fight was razor close despite the scorecards. Canelo was thoroughly outboxed for the majority of the fight and relied almost exclusively on landing one or two shots in each round to impress the judges (some rounds, he landed nothing). That kind of approach will not work against Mayweather and, if I'm managing Canelo, that is the last fight I would want to make.

Canelo is building a nice name for himself and he has a devoted fanbase. I think Floyd would beat him badly -- possibly in embarrassing fashion -- given he is still the great fighter we've all seen over the last 15 years.

I actually think Canelo has a lot more to lose in that fight than Floyd does. And, I do think it will eventually happen anyway, making this conversation pointless.


As for guys that are dangerous to Floyd, it all depends on what kind of condition Floyd is in at this stage of his career. I didn't think he looked bad against Cotto contrary to popular opinion. He stood and traded with him, fighting Cotto's fight and eventually beating him with it.

We'll see how he looks against Guerrero. If we're talking about at welterweight, I don't think there's anyone who is all that "risky" for Floyd if he's still got it. I guess Pacquiao would still theoretically pose the most danger if I had to pick a guy, just because it's tough to project his funky style and how it will match up with other elite fighters.

At 154? I actually think Trout might be a more difficult style for Floyd than Canelo. He doesn't hit hard, but he has pretty fast hands and is a good all-around boxer. That coupled with his massive size advantage and Floyd's aging could make for a tough fight.

Who else is there? Molina? Bundrage?


I'm not saying the Canelo fight doesn't make sense and isn't worth making. It is undoubtedly the best fight that can be made in the sport from a publicity standpoint and Canelo is certainly amongst the best fighters from 147-154.

I'm just saying I haven't been overly impressed... Certainly not to the point where he's a guy Mayweather should be actively avoiding. He just doesn't look that great to me and I think it has the potential of being pretty easy work.

Okay, you put Canelo and Ghost in the same boat in terms of riskiness for Floyd, but you would certainly have Canelo beating Ghost if they fought each other, right? I think Canelo would whoop his ass. Canelo was one-dimensional against Trout but his defense is so much better now and he's mixed up before in the past.

[lefthook00]

As for Floyd, he looked slowwww against Cotto. Of course he's faster than Cotto and beat him handedly, but I've been seeing a noticeable decline in speed in each fight since Marquez, and it was most apparent in the Cotto fight.

[lefthook00]

I think after Martinez last performance, Floyd will consider fighting him.

Who would you like Floyd to face?

Honestly, I just want him to go to 140 and beat up everyone there and then retire. I think it would be awesome. I don't think Floyd has ever been over ~151lbs on fight night, he could cut weight like everyone else and be right at home @ 140. He would still be outweighed by guys like Garcia and Peterson, I think. Since that's the hottest division right now, and he only has 30 months left in the game, he should whoop all those guys then retire. This will not happen, it's just my wish.

Realistically, he is probably going to fight a couple 140lbers @ 147lbs, Canelo @ 150 or 154, and Martinez @ 154 or 157.

[Iceberg Slim]

I think after Martinez last performance, Floyd will consider fighting him.

Who would you like Floyd to face?

I would like to see Floyd fight Canelo. IMO this is a win win situation for Canelo. He is just 21 years old so a 1 loss to the best fighter in the world is not going to hurt you...unless of course he quits. AFter fighting Canelo Floyd could feel more comfortable at 154 and perhaps take on Martinez at 160 or some kind of random catchweight.

Honestly no one on this planet can beat Floyd. Even the current version of him. He's not lying when he says he's the hardest working.

The only fighter I absolutely wish Mayweather fought was margarito during his run pre Cotto. He was an absolute monster and putting on a lot of pressure but then again he was probably using the plaster in his hands. Margarito took a beating vs Cotto in the first matchup as well..then get beat like a pinata vs Mosley and then PAcquaio finished his fighting career pretty much.

Also the version of Pacquiao that fought DLH, HAtton, Cotto would have gave some problems to Mayweather.

In the end, Mayweather would still be undefeated.

[Iceberg Slim]

Honestly, I just want him to go to 140 and beat up everyone there and then retire. I think it would be awesome. I don't think Floyd has ever been over ~151lbs on fight night, he could cut weight like everyone else and be right at home @ 140. He would still be outweighed by guys like Garcia and Peterson, I think. Since that's the hottest division right now, and he only has 30 months left in the game, he should whoop all those guys then retire. This will not happen, it's just my wish.

Realistically, he is probably going to fight a couple 140lbers @ 147lbs, Canelo @ 150 or 154, and Martinez @ 154 or 157.

Yeah the think with Mayweather is that he doesn't balloon up between fights. When guys take days off after a fight, Mayweather is still training. His training camps aren't bout losing weight, its about remaining sharp.

Guys like Rios are training just to lose all those pounds they gain.

[Wally450]

Can Guerrero hang with Floyd for 12 rounds? I watched the fight he had with Aydin last night and he looked slow. He was landing punches which was good, but does he have the stamina to keep up with Money...

[L.Kizzle]

Ruben Guerrero was goin off on Floyd at the press conference, than Floyd Sr. was tryin to get to Ruben and he didn't want none.

[Canelo_Griffin]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/ruben-guerrero-calls-floyd-mayweather-woman-beater-nearly-225922800.html

"He beats up women and goes to jail" :roll:

[raiderfan19]

Dond, do you really think trout is that much better than berto? Because I don't. Sure trout is arguably a little better but they are very similar in terms of how good they are though not how they fight.

[magic chiongson]

berto was one of the most overrated 'champ' the past few years

[raiderfan19]

I am by no means proclaiming the greatness of berto. He's nothing special. That said neither is trout and people act like having a very difficult time with trout apparently makes Canelo a threat to Floyd and I don't get that. Honestly the only to threats to Floyd right now are time and Floyd himself. It's tough to fight once a year at his age and at some point he's going to get old over night. That's a much bigger danger than any opponent he could realistically fight

[PK3434]

All Access SUCKED last night:

-no ruben guerrero, who is the most entertaining character in the promotion.
-Robert guerrero is boring and is the worst trash talker ever
-they were using the same interview of Floyd from the last episode
- Floyd seems to have way too much control of what gets put on the air (remember the MayDay doc that made Floyd out to be Nelson Mandela, serving a long jail sentence for righteous reasons?). I see he is the executive producer of the show and it shows...90% of the last episode was about Floyd working hard, having money, and taking care of a lot of people..ok we get it.
-not enough Floyd sr. and uncle roger (they have been mostly absent from all of the episodes).

At least Common has the perfect voice to narrate the show, however.

[RedBlackAttack]

As for Floyd, he looked slowwww against Cotto. Of course he's faster than Cotto and beat him handedly, but I've been seeing a noticeable decline in speed in each fight since Marquez, and it was most apparent in the Cotto fight.
Slow in terms of what? Handspeed? Movement?

I thought his handspeed was still damn good and the accuracy is definitely still there. As I said, he didn't use all that much movement... Certainly not close to the way he used to fight. Maybe that is out of necessity and he is simply unable to use the ring for 12 rounds the way he used to (he was never a runner, contrary to popular opinion, but he has always used the ring well).

It looked to me to be a conscious decision right from the start to stay in the pocket with Cotto and make him earn his respect. He did the same thing with SMM and Ortiz.

Is he the same guy who demolished Gatti with with blazing speed? No. But, he's still damn fast compared to most other fighters.


Mayweather will not fall off the way RJJ did or other uber-athletic fighters from the past, because he has always combined his athletic traits with almost perfect technique and boxing fundamentals. I've said this before, but if people are waiting for the "Tarver moment" when it comes to Floyd where he is just knocked completely out and his career is immediately over for all intents and purposes, I just don't see it happening like that.

I don't think anyone would argue it is out of the realm of possibility for Floyd to lose as long as he continues stepping in with world class fighters (which Guerrero is), but even well past his prime, Floyd will be tough to beat because of his technique and understanding of the basic rules of boxing. Once Roy's reflexes started to slip, he was done, because he fought a style that relied way too much on athleticism and not nearly enough on the fundamentals.


Again, I've seen nothing in Canelo to indicate he'd be a matchup nightmare for Mayweather, unless people just assume his size advantage would be too much to overcome or that Floyd has gotten old. I think busier fighters who rely less on landing those big power shots (like Trout) would stand a much better chance.

Boxing has always been about styles almost as much as skill/talent level. I guess it comes down to what style you think matches up best against Mayweather at this stage of his career. Since he has never lost, we're all really just projecting our opinion on what it would take.

I don't think Canelo has that style, even for an older version of Floyd.

[Iceberg Slim]

Dond, do you really think trout is that much better than berto? Because I don't. Sure trout is arguably a little better but they are very similar in terms of how good they are though not how they fight.

Trout is way better than Berto. The way I describe BErto is that he's a sprinter. He's not a long distance runner. All his punches are with so much force..you can hear it in his grunts. He's not relaxed and it saps your stamina. That's why he ALWAYS tires late in fights. Berto tries to use the Mayweather shoulder roll but obviously that shiet didn't work vs Guerrero :roll:

[Iceberg Slim]

I believe Guerrero has problems with the straight right hand. I saw him fighting a unknown in San Jose named Daud Yordan and was like damn he's going to lose after seeing round 1. He is honestly lucky the fight was stopped after round 2 due to a cut. Again this is a small sample size but I think Mayweather will be able to time Guerrero coming in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwvTI1t7fg

[RedBlackAttack]

I agree Trout is better than Berto.

Berto was literally waiting to be plucked. Ortiz was the first to do it and then Guerrero further exposed him. Everyone loves the heavy hitters. That's why Berto got a lot of attention in his first 25 fights or so, but his deficiencies have been relatively obvious for a while now.

He has a big heart and I give him credit for that, but his stamina, ring smarts and footwork/defense leave a lot to be desired. He can hit and he is a naturally athletic guy. That along with being tough got him where he is, but you need more to be a truly elite fighter.

Berto never showed me enough to be considered among the best fighters in that 140-154 range. He will serve more as a stepping stone kind of guy from this point forward, imo. He's fighting Karass(?) in July, I believe.

I see Trout as a much better fighter at this stage. He's a legitimate threat to the best fighters in and around his weight class, as I thought he clearly showed against Canelo.

[RedBlackAttack]

I believe Guerrero has problems with the straight right hand. I saw him fighting a unknown in San Jose named Daud Yordan and was like damn he's going to lose after seeing round 1. He is honestly lucky the fight was stopped after round 2 due to a cut. Again this is a small sample size but I think Mayweather will be able to time Guerrero coming in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwvTI1t7fg
Problems with the lead right is definitely not a good sign if you're stepping in against Mayweather. I hadn't seen that... Thanks.

[Reef]

stopped reading there. that's just absurd.



RBA is the ISH resident boxing guru. He's right. It'll go to decision, and it'll be close. The ghost could even pull off the upset.

[PistonsFan#21]

RBA is the ISH resident boxing guru. He's right. It'll go to decision, and it'll be close. The ghost could even pull off the upset.

The only way this happens is if Floyd declined big time. other than that he shouldnt have such a hard time. But fighters are not the same after some jail time so you never know

[raiderfan19]

Btw rba it's off topic but I have a slight quibble with something you said about Rjj. IMO prime Rjj is the most talented boxer iv ever seen. Yes his style relied heavily on those insane physical gifts but while he had them it made sense to use them. While that style clearly led to him getting beat up once his skills were gone, I disagree that it was wrong of him to fight that way while he still had those physical abilities. He just needed to retire at the first hint of slippage. He would have still been amazing if he'd learned good technique but he wouldn't have been Rjj without that style.

[Reef]

The only way this happens is if Floyd declined big time. other than that he shouldnt have such a hard time. But fighters are not the same after some jail time so you never know

That's what I'm expecting, that Floyd has lost a few steps. I could be very wrong and he could dominate. I just have a gut feeling that it'll be a very close fight.

[1987_Lakers]

Just saw this on PTI...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZ_8EsRfNc

:roll:

[TheReal Kendall]

Just saw this on PTI...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZ_8EsRfNc

:roll:

I was gonna post this. He look like Cheech from Cheech and Chong.:lol

[RedBlackAttack]

Btw rba it's off topic but I have a slight quibble with something you said about Rjj. IMO prime Rjj is the most talented boxer iv ever seen. Yes his style relied heavily on those insane physical gifts but while he had them it made sense to use them. While that style clearly led to him getting beat up once his skills were gone, I disagree that it was wrong of him to fight that way while he still had those physical abilities. He just needed to retire at the first hint of slippage. He would have still been amazing if he'd learned good technique but he wouldn't have been Rjj without that style.
Oh, I agree. In fact, I've made similar posts in the past.

I loved RJJ during his dominance over a decade or so. He very rarely lost rounds from 1990-03, let alone fights. No one was even close to him and he did it with such a unique style, it was pretty amazing to watch.

I remember when The Matrix came out in the late-1990s and the Agent did that ridiculous warp speed body attack on Neo toward the end... "Damn, that is some Roy Jones Jr. type combinations."

He was even in the first sequel. :oldlol:

There was a time during his best years at 168 and 175 where he had the proverbial triple crown of boxing tools... Pound-for-pound fastest, most accurate and hardest puncher in the sport. There were times when you just had to shake your head, like this absurd combination against Vinny Paz...

Holy Sh..... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnDey2UjrFg#t=24m45)

Paz was game and really trying to rough-house with Roy. RJJ slowly beat him down and Paz was gone by the second KD. The ref, however, allowed the fight to go on. RJJ looked at him, shrugged his shoulders and unleashed an insane left uppercut-left hook-left hook-right hook-right uppercut-left uppercut combination all perfectly placed and while walking Paz down.

I remember watching that live and my chin damn near hit the floor. I've never seen a guy throw those kinds of power shots from those weird angles with that much behind them and with that kind of accuracy.

He was a once in a lifetime type talent and I love that he created his own unique style with it. I will forever believe, when he was in his prime at 168 and 175, he could have beaten anyone who ever lived at those weights... Especially 168, because I think that is where he was his most natural and at his best.


However, like I said before and like you said above...

That awesome style ultimately led to his career being over the minute his reflexes began to slip. He relied almost completely on being able to react and get out of the way, jump in and out of the pocket and pot-shot guys from all angles.... All based on his athleticism. You can only break the rules for so long, even when you're a virtuoso.


That is what makes Floyd different from Roy. Floyd was born with SOME of those same physical skills. He doesn't hit nearly as hard, obviously, but he has unreal natural handspeed and accuracy that you just can't teach.

Instead of going for the flashy RJJ style, Floyd went completely by the book. His version of the Philly Shell is pretty unique in itself, but it is based on boxing fundamentals.

That's why I believe Floyd's decline, if he stays long enough to have one, will look a lot more like Pernell Whitaker and Roberto Duran than Roy Jones Jr. He will gradually lose a step here and there, but will still be able to compete with and possibly beat the best in the world because he will have those fundamentals to fall back on.

Whitaker was in his mid-30s and had 40+ fights under his belt when he fought a young DLH to a standstill (I still contend he won that fight).

Duran was 30 pounds over his natural weight and 5+ years past his prime when he was taking Hagler to the limit... One of the greatest MWs of all-time.


As an aside, Pacquiao is much more like RJJ in the sense that he chose a style which will not hold up over time. Eventually, you are going to slow down and the punches you used to see coming start knocking you senseless.


Trust me, it isn't that I don't respect or don't like that style of fighter... Just pointing out the difference -- and noting why, even when he starts to slow down, Floyd isn't going to fall off the cliff, imo.

[raiderfan19]

I completely agree about Floyd and I'll add that while he isn't close to Rjj in terms of power, I think his power has become underrated in recent years. He absolutely has knockout power when he wants it.

[magic chiongson]

yea i thought Floyd could have actually finished Mosley near the end of their fight.
he was landing clean shots at will offensively or when mosley tried to mount any offense against him. systematically dismantled mosley. but mayweather didnt really push for a KO, just secured the rounds (still dominated them) till the final bell.

prolly has something to do with his hands needing painkillers before he fights. had he got more durable hands he'd still be knocking people out like he did in the lower weights

[RedBlackAttack]

I know and I usually like his posts a lot!

But that I don't get his praise for Guerrero.
Guerrero barely gets past Aydin (lost by 1 point on my card) and had a war with Berto. He's rough but his defense sucks.
I think Guerrero's busier style is a tougher matchup for Floyd than a guy who tries to pick his shots. Guerrero will really test Floyd's conditioning and, while that has always been one of Floyd's biggest strengths, that is sometimes the first thing to go when a guy starts slowing down.

Beyond that, the Aydin fight was close, but I thought Guerrero won... And, prior to that, he won damn near every round against Katsidis, who had just gone toe-to-toe with JMM in a very good fight.

I think Guerrero is being underrated and Canelo is being overrated. That combination leads people to believe there is a massive gulf between the two when I really don't see it. That doesn't mean I'd favor Guerrero over Canelo, but just that his style could be as problematic or moreso depending on the opponent.

I think Floyd MAY be that opponent. Not saying that with absolute conviction, but I do think this is a tougher bout than people are assuming.

Guerrero is no slouch and, yes... If Floyd has slipped, he could really put him to the test. If Floyd hasn't slipped, I don't see either Guerrero or Canelo coming close to beating him. That's why I say that I put them on or near the same level of riskiness.


Not to say that Canelo had that much better competition but at least he doesn't struggle like this.
For the Trout fight: Couple people whos opinion I respect had it very close or even Trout winning it. I don't see it. Canelo showed nice defense. At times he was toying with Trout, standing right infront of him with his hands down and Trout wasn't able to land a shot. And you have to consider that open scoring in that fight. Canelo knew he was ahead and managed his win like a vet. I think that girl Paulie Malignaggi had people confused with his bs he was talkin all night long...

You don't win rounds by trying to dodge punches with your head. Canelo resorted to that tactic several times because he was tired and, better than just stand there with your hands up, he put a little flash into not throwing punches... But that doesn't win you rounds, especially when the other guy is pushing the pace and generally controlling the ring.

You CAN win a round based solely on defense. Willie Pep famously won a round without throwing a punch, but you have to do it with much more command of the pace/ring than what Canelo was showing.

You can also take the open scoring thing both ways. Trout was forced to abandon his gameplan halfway through the fight and go for the gusto because he pretty much knew he couldn't win a decision (which was completely ridiculous). This may have directly led to the knockdown and put him in some dangerous spots he may have not been in otherwise.

I thought that was a very close fight.

[Iceberg Slim]

I know and I usually like his posts a lot!

But that I don't get his praise for Guerrero.
Guerrero barely gets past Aydin (lost by 1 point on my card) and had a war with Berto. He's rough but his defense sucks.

Not to say that Canelo had that much better competition but at least he doesn't struggle like this.
For the Trout fight: Couple people whos opinion I respect had it very close or even Trout winning it. I don't see it. Canelo showed nice defense. At times he was toying with Trout, standing right infront of him with his hands down and Trout wasn't able to land a shot. And you have to consider that open scoring in that fight. Canelo knew he was ahead and managed his win like a vet. I think that girl Paulie Malignaggi had people confused with his bs he was talkin all night long...

Mayweather will win...but if Guerrero applies smart pressure and not just plodding forward he should have some success early. Just think the way Hatton looked semi decent vs Mayweather but then 2nd half Mayweather figured it out and timed him with a check hook.

[lefthook00]

Crazy bold prediction but Guerrero gets discouraged and/or dropped, and eventually gets stopped in the 10th-11th.

This will not be the night that Floyd gets pushed to the max.

Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!! :rant :rant :rant :rant :rant

[Beatlezz]

That's what I'm expecting, that Floyd has lost a few steps. I could be very wrong and he could dominate. I just have a gut feeling that it'll be a very close fight.

:lol :lol Let's be real here. Floyd is fighting Guerrero, not prime Margarito with bricks in his gloves. The fight won't even be close. I'll be very surpised if Guerrero manage to win more than two rounds. Floyd stops Guerrero in 8 rounds.

[Reef]

:lol :lol Let's be real here. Floyd is fighting Guerrero, not prime Margarito with bricks in his gloves. The fight won't even be close. I'll be very surpised if Guerrero manage to win more than two rounds. Floyd stops Guerrero in 8 rounds.

I disagree. I think it'll be close and no way does Guerrero get stopped.

[kurple]

when does the fight begin?

[Beatlezz]

I disagree. I think it'll be close and no way does Guerrero get stopped.

We'll see. :cheers:

[Dwade305]

Guerrero has no form of defense, his face is mess after every fight. He'll need to catch Floyd with something big early, which is a task close to impossible. I see the fight getting stopped somewhere between 8-10 rounds.

[L.Kizzle]

MAY DAY starts now on Showtime and will carry on to PPV later tonight.

This is neat, I don't think HBO did this before PPV's did they?

[RedBlackAttack]

I completely agree about Floyd and I'll add that while he isn't close to Rjj in terms of power, I think his power has become underrated in recent years. He absolutely has knockout power when he wants it.
His hands have always kept him from completely committing to his punches the way RJJ did. Every punch RJJ threw in his prime had mean intentions, even jabs.

Floyd's hands don't seem to be the problem that they were early in his career, but I still think they have an impact on how he fights, consciously or not. When he loads up and steps into his punches, he does have surprising power (the SSM fight is a good example of that).

But, like I said... there was a time when RJJ was arguably p4p the hardest hitter in the sport, along with having all those other physical gifts. I don't think Floyd has ever had quite those kinds of heavy hands.

You're right in that his power is underrated, though.

[RedBlackAttack]

MAY DAY starts now on Showtime and will carry on to PPV later tonight.

This is neat, I don't think HBO did this before PPV's did they?
Nothing quite like this, no. There were times before big fights that they would start the PPV early and give everyone access to some of the early undercards while promoting the feature bouts, but I don't ever remember it being actually on HBO (usually channel 101 on DirectTV or something like that) and I definitely don't remember it starting quite this early.

Showtime is doing a great job with its boxing right now, both in presentation, commentary... Everything superior to HBO, imo. The completely biased commentary led by Lampley just completely turned me off to that entire franchise. He is a total joke.

[Iceberg Slim]

this fight is only "close" if Robert Byrd (the third man in the ring) lets Guerrero use his dirty tactics that he used vs Berto. the whole holding with the right hand behind the neck and punching with the left like hes trying to do a MMA thai clench.

Robert Byrd is a solid referee I don't think he will let Guerrero use these tactics. I'm 100% positive Mayweather's camp has already told him to watch out for those dirty tactics.

Even in Guerrero's highlight videos, he just seems kind of slow.

I think Mayweather will get a late round KO. Official prediction will be

Mayweather by 10th round KO

[Iceberg Slim]

His hands have always kept him from completely committing to his punches the way RJJ did. Every punch RJJ threw in his prime had mean intentions, even jabs.

Floyd's hands don't seem to be the problem that they were early in his career, but I still think they have an impact on how he fights, consciously or not. When he loads up and steps into his punches, he does have surprising power (the SSM fight is a good example of that).

But, like I said... there was a time when RJJ was arguably p4p the hardest hitter in the sport, along with having all those other physical gifts. I don't think Floyd has ever had quite those kinds of heavy hands.

You're right in that his power is underrated, though.

I don't think he has a choice. He's going to have to load up on his punches as his legs just aren't there anymore. The kind of solid power he hit Cotto with definitely surprised me.

[RedBlackAttack]

this fight is only "close" if Robert Byrd (the third man in the ring) lets Guerrero use his dirty tactics that he used vs Berto. the whole holding with the right hand behind the neck and punching with the left like hes trying to do a MMA thai clench.

Robert Byrd is a solid referee I don't think he will let Guerrero use these tactics. I'm 100% positive Mayweather's camp has already told him to watch out for those dirty tactics.

Even in Guerrero's highlight videos, he just seems kind of slow.

I think Mayweather will get a late round KO. Official prediction will be

Mayweather by 10th round KO
I think Guerrero's high activity and swarming style will surprise people in the first few rounds. Mayweather will eventually measure the distance and start picking him apart, I'll say by no later than Round 5.

Guerrero will be game and put up a good effort, but PBF will win by a wide margin on the scorecards. I don't see a KO/TKO happening unless there is a cut.

[PistonsFan#21]

Im surprised so many people excpect a Mayweather knockout win. He simply isnt the type of guy that looks to finish fighters anymore even when he gets them hurt. I got him winning by unanimous decision

[Jakeh008]

Best sites to stream the fight??

[plowking]

When does the main event kick off?

[RedBlackAttack]

When does the main event kick off?
I'd guess somewhere around 11.

[L.Kizzle]

Love and Rasado should have been a draw.

[Burgz V2]

we got a slug fest already Munoz v Santa Cruz

[RedBlackAttack]

Anyone have a quality stream?

[imnew09]

dam what a fight! Marez looks promising

[Heilige]

Almost that time baby!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5jB0uZOrM&feature=player_embedded#!

[bigkingsfan]

Ref must wanted to watch the Mayweather fight.

[$LakerGold]

I got Floyd by decision. There's a lot of fuel inside Robert though.... We'll see.

[Burgz V2]

man they stopped that too early

[RedBlackAttack]

Bad stoppage. DeLeon was still throwing back and had his legs under him. At some point, you have to trust the boxer and his corner in a situation like that.

[SoCalMike]

Floyd takes this one, but already talking retirement again? :confusedshrug:



:pimp:

[RedBlackAttack]

My stream sucks.

[SoCalMike]

we need a better stream! anyone?

[DuMa]

Lil Wayne. :facepalm

[Styles p]

I still can't believe that floyd let charlie z get away with sucker punching his pops :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

I still can't believe that floyd let charlie z get away with sucker punching his pops :roll:
He probably enjoyed it.

[Heilige]

http://www.vipbox.tv/boxing/152218/4/boxnation-showtime-boxing-ppv-:-floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-robert-guerrero---wbc-welterweight-title-live-stream-online.html

[Styles p]

http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/184885/2/watch-floyd-mayweather-jr-vs-robert-guerrero,-showtime-boxing-ppv.html
not the best quality but not choppy

[SoCalMike]

this is workin ok for me... you just have to be patient for all the adware stuff to load.. and dont click on anything...lol

http://atdee.net/62336/watch-floyd-mayweather-jr-vs--robert-guerrero



:pimp:

[RedBlackAttack]

Not a good first round for Guerrero. He needs to be busier than that. He's not going to win by countering.

[Burgz V2]

Guerrero looks really good, never thought he'd be holding his punches, Floyd can't get going because of it

[plowking]

Keeps eating that same right hand. Floyd's power looking decent this fight.

[RedBlackAttack]

Guerrero looks really good, never thought he'd be holding his punches, Floyd can't get going because of it
Floyd is not always a fast starter. I don't like the pace if I'm Guerrero.

[Burgz V2]

3rd round a lot better for Floyd, Guerrero needs to start getting some flurries

[RedBlackAttack]

The way this is going, it will slowly turn into a boxing clinic. We've seen this movie before. I can't understand why Guerrero is not pushing the pace more and being more bullish. The opportunities are there.

[CarlosBoozer]

Rajon Rondo in the crowd! :roll:

[Noob Saibot]

Rondo sighting.

[Graviton]

Man Mayweather is like GSP of boxing, so boring to watch.

Wish he had that "Matrix zone" like Anderson. :(

[Burgz V2]

Floyd is not always a fast starter. I don't like the pace if I'm Guerrero.

no definitely not, he doesn't want this going into the late rounds down on the score cards, these are the rounds he needs to win

[RedBlackAttack]

Man Mayweather is like GSP of boxing, so boring to watch.

Wish he had that "Matrix zone" like Anderson. :(
Boring if you don't understand the sweet science, I guess.

[CarlosBoozer]

bored.

[SoCalMike]

i have floyd up 4-1 so far... slippery cat he is!



:pimp:

[plowking]

Wish Floyd would throw more combinations and stay out of the pocket more. But I guess hes older and can afford to fight that way. Can't believe he still has the best reflexes and timing out at his age.

[bigkingsfan]

Fight is getting more boring as it goes.

[Burgz V2]

I predict a clinic starting in the 8th

[RedBlackAttack]

Mayweather is hitting and not getting hit. That's exactly what he should want to do.

Guerrero has to make this an "exciting" fight... So far, he has disappointed me.

[CarlosBoozer]

too easy for flyod :sleeping.

[PJR]

Guerrero's body work has been good, but he's landing nothing. And Floyd has ate him with the right hand counters.

[RedBlackAttack]

Better from Robert there... That is what he should have been doing from the jump. You can't fight cautiously against Floyd.

[Burgz V2]

Man Mayweather is like GSP of boxing, so boring to watch.

Wish he had that "Matrix zone" like Anderson. :(

You don't go to the Louvre and say the "pictures are not colorful enough."

It's called boxing for a reason.

[Graviton]

Boring if you don't understand the sweet science, I guess.
There is always a line between sweet science and boring safety. GSP/Floyd are good enough to take risks, but they just fight too safe at times, as long as they get the win.

You can be technical and exciting at the same time, don't have to be one or the other.

[PJR]

My goodness what a clinic.

[RedBlackAttack]

Well, I say Guerrero should throw caution to the wind, but you see in that round why he may have been hesitant to do so. He was hurt several times in that round and his face is on its way to being a total mess.

Beautiful stuff from Floyd in that round.

[Burgz V2]

I predict a clinic starting in the 8th

called it

its about to get ugly, but it will probably go all 12, Guerrero is still throwing some good shots.

[plowking]

There is always a line between sweet science and boring safety. GSP/Floyd are good enough to take risks, but they just fight too safe at times, as long as they get the win.

You can be technical and exciting at the same time, don't have to be one or the other.

There is a difference.

GSP lays on top and does nothing. Floyd counter punches to perfection.

Floyd doesn't go around saying it will be a knockout and then fail to deliver. GSP says first round knockout then lies on top simply changing guards the whole match.

[Graviton]

This is like when GSP haters said he throws baby punches/jabs, then in the end of the fight the faces of his opponents are totally smashed from repeated jabs. :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

There is always a line between sweet science and boring safety. GSP/Floyd are good enough to take risks, but they just fight too safe at times, as long as they get the win.

You can be technical and exciting at the same time, don't have to be one or the other.
I've always greatly enjoyed watching guys who were good enough to dominate fights and not get hit. I mean, that really should be the goal of the fight game. Whitaker and Mayweather are two of my favorites of all-time because of that trait.

I can be just as entertained or moreso by perfect technique and footwork as toe-to-toe action. I guess it just comes down to what you want to see. I'm on the edge of my seat watching displays like this one.

[Graviton]

There is a difference.

GSP lays on top and does nothing. Floyd counter punches to perfection.

Floyd doesn't go around saying it will be a knockout and then fail to deliver. GSP says first round knockout then lies on top simply changing guards the whole match.
I was referring more to their jabs and quick right hands, but I see your point.

Where is Mayweather ranked based on power? Is he a one-hit knockout guy or overwhelming puncher like say Diaz?

[PJR]

Floyd getting 32 million for a sparring session. SMH.

[Burgz V2]

Well, I say Guerrero should throw caution to the wind, but you see in that round why he may have been hesitant to do so. He was hurt several times in that round and his face is on its way to being a total mess.

Beautiful stuff from Floyd in that round.

Floyd's been on the inside of Guerrero's right foot and Guerrero STILL can't land his left. He's pretty much baiting him into it but the same time telling him you wont get me clean, cause he's smothering it really well

[CarlosBoozer]

Guerrero's wife has a weird face

[Graviton]

So who is out there that can actually challenge Floyd? I keep hearing about how he cherry picks his opponents and doesn't really go for the toughest fights. Is that true?

[Burgz V2]

Guerrero out of options, going to the body. That won't work at this point. He's gotta go for the KO.

[RedBlackAttack]

I was referring more to their jabs and quick right hands, but I see your point.

Where is Mayweather ranked based on power? Is he a one-hit knockout guy or overwhelming puncher like say Diaz?
Floyd is widely considered a pretty soft puncher by the general public, but his power is underrated. He doesn't have incredibly heavy hands, but he can punch hard when he leans in and delivers.

[plowking]

I was referring more to their jabs and quick right hands, but I see your point.

Where is Mayweather ranked based on power? Is he a one-hit knockout guy or overwhelming puncher like say Diaz?

Its tough to judge at the moment. Hes got knockout power, but these days hes not throwing combinations like he used to. Hes definitely one of the better hitters in the division in terms of power IMO at least.


So who is out there that can actually challenge Floyd? I keep hearing about how he cherry picks his opponents and doesn't really go for the toughest fights. Is that true?


This wasn't his toughest fight he could have taken, but it wasn't the worst either. The only one that could is Pac-man. Hes the only one that would keep throwing punches in bunches. Everyone else seems to get disheartened against Floyd.
I still think Floyd would win, but Pac would be his best fight. No one else has a shot.

[ace23]

Link?

Nvm, it's over.

[Burgz V2]

So who is out there that can actually challenge Floyd? I keep hearing about how he cherry picks his opponents and doesn't really go for the toughest fights. Is that true?

It's a long story but basically the way boxing is today the promoters run the sport. Pretty much into the ground too.

[RedBlackAttack]

Floyd's been on the inside of Guerrero's right foot and Guerrero STILL can't land his left. He's pretty much baiting him into it but the same time telling him you wont get me clean, cause he's smothering it really well
Yeah, he will often bait guys by giving them what they think are openings. But, after a few rounds, those fighters usually realize that when they open up, they are going to get quite a bit in return.

Guerrero hasn't seen that right coming all night. I'd say that's why he's fought so cautiously. Hard to open up when you are taking that much clean stuff in return.

[CarlosBoozer]

sh*ts given by flyod in the 12th round = 0

[plowking]

I can't believe Guerrero just put his hands up. You might not have won a round lol...

[DuMa]

boxing loses again.

[PJR]

Lol Guerrero's father is delusional as ***

[plowking]

Floyd looks like he went for a run, while Guerrero looks like he was in a bar fight. lol...

[Burgz V2]

I was referring more to their jabs and quick right hands, but I see your point.

Where is Mayweather ranked based on power? Is he a one-hit knockout guy or overwhelming puncher like say Diaz?

no he has small hands, it's not uncommon for his hands to break during fights. He wont hit you with any 10s but he'll hit you with a constant stream of 7s and 8s.

[L.Kizzle]

Link?

Nvm, it's over.
:biggums:

[shady6121]

Mayweather :bowdown: :applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

So who is out there that can actually challenge Floyd? I keep hearing about how he cherry picks his opponents and doesn't really go for the toughest fights. Is that true?
Boxing is separated into basically two sports when it comes to the absolutely elite guys... Top Rank and Golden Boy (with a couple others with Goosen, etc).

A lot of the fights people have wanted to see over the last few years have been killed and continue to be killed by these promotional entities.

Yeah... It's a long and complicated story. A sad one, too. Promoters have really hurt the sport.


Very impressive performance by Floyd. Anyone who thought age my have caught up to him against Cotto, he looked tremendous tonight. That was a vintage performance, I thought.

[DuMa]

"I take my hat off to Robert Guerrero. He's a true warrior."

*Puts on hat*

[RedBlackAttack]

Speaking of broken hands... Floyd's hand looks very broken. Again.

He said it happened in the 5th round. Need to re-watch and see if I can spot it.

[RedBlackAttack]

I think Guerrero's high activity and swarming style will surprise people in the first few rounds. Mayweather will eventually measure the distance and start picking him apart, I'll say by no later than Round 5.

Guerrero will be game and put up a good effort, but PBF will win by a wide margin on the scorecards. I don't see a KO/TKO happening unless there is a cut.
Not a bad prediction. Guerrero wasn't as active early as I thought, but he did have a couple moments in the first couple rounds.

Pretty much went the way I thought.

[ClutchOver9000]

Guerrero got schooled so hard... :lol

Hate him all you want but Floyd is truly an artist in the ring.

[ClutchOver9000]

Speaking of broken hands... Floyd's hand looks very broken. Again.

He said it happened in the 5th round. Need to re-watch and see if I can spot it.

He's always had brittle hands

[lefthook00]

Nice fight. Floyd said he hurt his right hand in the middle of the fight. I thought it was weird that he took nearly the whole round off after he was landing his right hand at will and hurt Guerrero the round before, forgot which round.

[PJR]

Floyd aint tryna see Canelo tho.

[ace23]

:biggums:
Shit slipped my mind.

[bdreason]

Most dominate Boxer in the world, so he finished this scrub, right?

Or was it another 12 rounds of Olympic point boxing?

[Wade3]

He stands toe to toe with Mosley and Cotto and he gets called Over the Hill

He moves like he's 10 years younger against Guerrero and he gets called boring

:roll: :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

Floyd aint tryna see Canelo tho.
Canelo's team should keep him away from Floyd, unless he just wants a big payday. He needs to seriously work on his conditioning if he's planning on stepping in with Mayweather.

[lefthook00]

Most dominate Boxer in the world, so he finished this scrub, right?

Or was it another 12 rounds of Olympic point boxing?

Unanimous decision. Floyd was really starting to whoop his ass but kind of slowed down(not physically, but in terms of landing big shots). He said he hurt his hand.

[RedBlackAttack]

oh and showtime production tonight plus the commentating team was far and above HBO

bravo showtime!
Indeed.

HBO is a joke when it comes to their boxing team, particularly Lampley.

[RedBlackAttack]

Paulie Malignaggi is a REALLY good color commentator. He needs to quit boxing and focus on this fulltime.

Far better than anyone HBO has in their stable.

[L.Kizzle]

Lol at Guerrero saying his punches were just missing Floyd ... yeah, defense will do that to you.

[RedBlackAttack]

Lol at Guerrero saying his punches were just missing Floyd ... yeah, defense will do that to you.
If your punches aren't "just" missing, you aren't a world-class fighter. Guerrero is a world-class fighter... Just not on the level of Mayweather, who still seems a tier above even at 36.

[L.Kizzle]

And what was up with the judging, I had Mayweather winning all but maybe one round, if that.

117-111

[lefthook00]

Paulie Malignaggi is a REALLY good color commentator. He needs to quit boxing and focus on this fulltime.

Far better than anyone HBO has in their stable.

Yeah I love watching his videos when reporters ask him to give fight predictions.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah I love watching his videos when reporters ask him to give fight predictions.
Broner bout to get in that ass though. Checkthe boxing thread for their press conference. They were goin at it.

[CarlosBoozer]

Prime Pacman vs Prime Flyod, that could of been the fight of the decade :(

[lefthook00]

Broner bout to get in that ass though. Checkthe boxing thread for their press conference. They were goin at it.

Haha yeah I saw it. I really want to see that fight, should be entertaining.

[RedBlackAttack]

Prime Pacman vs Prime Flyod, that could of been the fight of the decade :(
The hype and money involved certainly would have been historic. The fight itself? I think a lot of people would have been disappointed.

But, hey... We will never know.

[Beatlezz]

As I expected, the scrub only won one round. Those judges are too generous. :facepalm

[L.Kizzle]

The hype and money involved certainly would have been historic. The fight itself? I think a lot of people would have been disappointed.

But, hey... We will never know.
It could still happen, Floyd has 5 fights left on his deal, that will end for him hopefully at 49-0.

He could have one last fight for number 50 once his contract is over, a one time deal ... vs. Pacman, if he starts winning again.

[RedBlackAttack]

It could still happen, Floyd has 5 fights left on his deal, that will end for him hopefully at 49-0.

He could have one last fight for number 50 once his contract is over, a one time deal ... vs. Pacman, if he starts winning again.
It may still happen and we'll see how Pacquiao bounces back from that horrific knockout, but the fight will never be what it could have been.

I'd still like to see it eventually for posterity's sake. I think Pac would have to part ways with Arum for it to happen, though.

[sunsfan1357]

Watched the fight at some bar down the road from the hotel I'm at, it's surprising how much people literally hate Mayweather. I know his persona doesn't give him many fans but people were yelling at the tv like Floyd ran off with their wife or something.

[Patrick Chewing]

Watched the fight at some bar down the road from the hotel I'm at, it's surprising how much people literally hate Mayweather. I know his persona doesn't give him many fans but people were yelling at the tv like Floyd ran off with their wife or something.


He's a scumbag, but he's a good fighter. Since we can't hate his skills, we have to respect them, but we sure as hell don't have to respect the man.

[L.Kizzle]

Watched the fight at some bar down the road from the hotel I'm at, it's surprising how much people literally hate Mayweather. I know his persona doesn't give him many fans but people were yelling at the tv like Floyd ran off with their wife or something.
Quote from Mayweather.

"You can hate me, but you're still gonna watch me"

:pimp:

[Fawker]

Watched the fight at some bar down the road from the hotel I'm at, it's surprising how much people literally hate Mayweather. I know his persona doesn't give him many fans but people were yelling at the tv like Floyd ran off with their wife or something.
he's not a brawler. he emphasizes on 4 things every match. defense, foot work exclusively to elude, speed used in a bitch way (counter), and kill time. he never initiates anything. the guy knows rounds and scores and that is all. he deems a good match as lasting 12 rounds because he is a promoter after all. he has no knock out power. he has double duty as fighter and promoter.

if you're ever out of sleeping pills just watch his fights.

[RedBlackAttack]

he's not a brawler. he emphasizes on 4 things every match. defense, foot work exclusively to elude, speed used in a bitch way (counter), and kill time. he never initiates anything. the guy knows rounds and scores and that is all. he deems a good match as lasting 12 rounds because he is a promoter after all. he has no knock out power. he has double duty as fighter and promoter.

if you're ever out of sleeping pills just watch his fights.
:oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Its tough to judge at the moment. Hes got knockout power, but these days hes not throwing combinations like he used to. Hes definitely one of the better hitters in the division in terms of power IMO at least.



This wasn't his toughest fight he could have taken, but it wasn't the worst either. The only one that could is Pac-man. Hes the only one that would keep throwing punches in bunches. Everyone else seems to get disheartened against Floyd.
I still think Floyd would win, but Pac would be his best fight. No one else has a shot.
Mayweather is not a hard hitter. also think he holds back because his biggest weakness is his brittle hands.

Also idk why people want to see the pac fight so badly. pacquiao would get shutout. it's not particularly interesting to me. sergio would be a better fight since the only way he's going to lose is by fighting someone significantly bigger than him.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

he's not a brawler. he emphasizes on 4 things every match. defense, foot work exclusively to elude, speed used in a bitch way (counter), and kill time. he never initiates anything. the guy knows rounds and scores and that is all. he deems a good match as lasting 12 rounds because he is a promoter after all. he has no knock out power. he has double duty as fighter and promoter.

if you're ever out of sleeping pills just watch his fights.
If you find Floyd Mayweather boring i suggest you don't watch boxing. It's a bit like saying Larry Bird is boring to watch.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lebron23 you a pacquiao fan or mayweather? I know you're Filipino, so just wondering.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Floyd will never takte that fight!

Many Mayweather fans are realizing this and start saying that Canelo is too big for Floyd anyway.
I can't see someone who almost got KOed by ricky hatton's feather fisted brother beating Floyd. Canelo has a lot of holes.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Prime Pacman vs Prime Flyod, that could of been the fight of the decade :(
not really.

[Lebron23]

Lebron23 you a pacquiao fan or mayweather? I know you're Filipino, so just wondering.


Both. They are 2 of the best boxers in the last 15 years. It's a very impressive performance by Mayweather. He just out boxed Robert Guerrero. FMJ still looks fast and very athletic. He's a much better fighter at 147 than in 154. He still has the best defense in Boxing.

[Reef]

Just finished watching the fight. God damn, that was impressive. Floyd doesn't look like he's lost a step at all. Canelo and even Sergio would only have a puncher's chance. He did hold a little too much, but if the ref wasn't warning him, you can't blame him.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

:lol yeah you're more interessted in see him fighting Guerrero lmao


Honestly? It would be a similar level beat down. I would like to see it just so it would shut everybody up and the sport would go back to normal.



easy work huh?
good, that means they make it happen because it does make sense financially

For Canelo it doesn't. Oscar is not gonna put him in there with Floyd yet.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I watched it live but I wonder where can you watch replays online?? (before the torrents come out)
http://bitsnoop.com/boxing-floyd-mayweather-vs-robert-g-q48206501.html

not the best quality but not bad.

[L.Kizzle]

thanx for the link!

I wanna see the best face the best. pacman was the next best thing at some point no matter what you think. Guerrero is a average fighter in a not very good division. Good performance by Floyd tho. But the fight was never set up to be a competitive fight. Every fan and every bookmaker in the world knew that this was a cherry picked exposition fight. It was a fight for the fanatics and casual fans.
So if you guys think that Guerrero is the best fight available, that means that you're a textbook ******ger.

but ok then, against who do you want to see Floyd?

can you tell it know or do you have to wait until he picked his next opponent?
At his weight division, he was the best available.

We know the Pac fight ain't happening anytime soon. He fought Marquez already, and Bradley with Top Rank. Guerrero was ranked next on the pound for pound list at 147.

[Iceberg Slim]

too all the people that say it was boring..what did you expect? It's boxing and not every fight is going to be like Gatti/Ward or Barrera/Morales.

Anyway Mayweather looked a little slow the first couple rounds but once he started connecting it looked like Guerrero conceded the fight. He was second guessing and no longer pushing the pace much.

Mayweather hand is injured but looks like it's not going to stop him from fighting in September. He needs to get all these fights in so he can retire on his own terms and not when boxing(health) forces him out.

No one is going to beat Mayweather but Canelo is the most logical choice.

[Iceberg Slim]

thanx for the link!

I wanna see the best face the best. pacman was the next best thing at some point no matter what you think. Guerrero is a average fighter in a not very good division. Good performance by Floyd tho. But the fight was never set up to be a competitive fight. Every fan and every bookmaker in the world knew that this was a cherry picked exposition fight. It was a fight for the fanatics and casual fans.
So if you guys think that Guerrero is the best fight available, that means that you're a textbook ******ger.

but ok then, against who do you want to see Floyd?

can you tell it know or do you have to wait until he picked his next opponent?

sucks that we never got to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao after Pacquiao fought Cotto. I think that was probably Pacquiao's peak.

Guerrero is a good fighter..imo top 5 at 147 (Mayweather, Marquez (not even really a welterweight), Bradley (just got out of a tough fight), Pacquiao)

[Draz]

Can't wait to torrent the shit out of this fight :lol

[The_Yearning]

Can't wait to torrent the shit out of this fight :lol

It's already out. Boring as hell.

[Burgz V2]

im glad Floyd is training with both Floyd Sr. and Roger. He seems much more focused. Seeing him fight once a year is a disservice to true boxing fans. This contract he's got now has me excited, not just to see him fight every six months, but the fact that he's going to fight every so-called "contender"

Also Guerrero's dad looked like such an ass. Chicken? This isn't street fighting you dumb ass this is boxing. And then to trash talk Floyd Sr. even after the fight was over? Glad his son his a class act, apparently he's carrying the family in that regard.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Well, the fight went just as I expected. The Ghost just isnt on that level. Floyd looks much more comfortable at 147, then he did at 154 against Cotto.

Going to be interesting to see who he fights next. Undercard was pretty entertaining. Love watching Leo Santa Cruz fight. And I thought Gabe won but its Mayweather promotions night so he should have known to do a little extra to get a decision.

[Dubs510]

Just saw the fight. Mayweather is too quick :bowdown:

[Pointguard]

Mayweather is a hard puncher because I never see a fighter take chances with him. It's the only way to beat him.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

thanx for the link!

I wanna see the best face the best. pacman was the next best thing at some point no matter what you think. Guerrero is a average fighter in a not very good division. Good performance by Floyd tho. But the fight was never set up to be a competitive fight. Every fan and every bookmaker in the world knew that this was a cherry picked exposition fight. It was a fight for the fanatics and casual fans.
So if you guys think that Guerrero is the best fight available, that means that you're a textbook ******ger.

but ok then, against who do you want to see Floyd?

can you tell it know or do you have to wait until he picked his next opponent?

Actually Guerrero was the best realistic fight. Who else was there? Canelo? Oscar already said Canelo is not ready.

I "want" Tim Bradley or Sergio Martinez or Pac (to shut everybody up). But Bradley and Pac are with Top Rank and Sergio is MW so it's not reasonable to expect him to fight him when realistically Floyd is a small WW.

I'm guessing his next fight will be Danny Garcia or Lucas Matthysse.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Mayweather is a hard puncher because I never see a fighter take chances with him. It's the only way to beat him.
He's not a hard puncher at ww.

[RedBlackAttack]

Actually Guerrero was the best realistic fight. Who else was there? Canelo? Oscar already said Canelo is not ready.

I "want" Tim Bradley or Sergio Martinez or Pac (to shut everybody up). But Bradley and Pac are with Top Rank and Sergio is MW so it's not reasonable to expect him to fight him when realistically Floyd is a small WW.

I'm guessing his next fight will be Danny Garcia or Lucas Matthysse.
Well, Bradley is fighting JMM in September, so that is out for Floyd for his next bout. I'll be very interested to see that JMM/Bradley matchup. I would assume the winner would fight Pacquiao, assuming he wins his fight in November.

I think the Canelo/Floyd fight is in the process of being lined up... Not in September, but I'd guess next year.

Floyd's next fight? He really doesn't have a ton of options to excite people with. If Alvarez is the plan next May, though, I'd expect him to fight one of the 154 contenders maybe at a catchweight (Molina, Smith, Bundrage, Lara, etc).

It's interesting, because Floyd's next opponent might tell us a lot about his plans for next year.

[L.Kizzle]

Well, Bradley is fighting JMM in September, so that is out for Floyd for his next bout. I'll be very interested to see that JMM/Bradley matchup. I would assume the winner would fight Pacquiao, assuming he wins his fight in November.

I think the Canelo/Floyd fight is in the process of being lined up... Not in September, but I'd guess next year.

Floyd's next fight? He really doesn't have a ton of options to excite people with. If Alvarez is the plan next May, though, I'd expect him to fight one of the 154 contenders maybe at a catchweight (Molina, Smith, Bundrage, Lara, etc).

It's interesting, because Floyd's next opponent might tell us a lot about his plans for next year.
Smith (under Mayweather promotions) and Molina are fighting each other in a few months, Lara is fighting Angula or freaking Bundrage.

Austin Trout is without an opponent?

[RedBlackAttack]

Smith (under Mayweather promotions) and Molina are fighting each other in a few months, Lara is fighting Angula or freaking Bundrage.

Austin Trout is without an opponent?
I wouldn't mess with Trout if I'm Mayweather. I don't like that matchup at all, stylistically. Trout doesn't have great power, but his massive size advantage and activity level could be a tough combination for Floyd to overcome.

I said it before... I think Canelo is a much easier style for Floyd to have to face than Trout.

[L.Kizzle]

I wouldn't mess with Trout if I'm Mayweather. I don't like that matchup at all, stylistically. Trout doesn't have great power, but his massive size advantage and activity level could be a tough combination for Floyd to overcome.

I said it before... I think Canelo is a much easier style for Floyd to have to face than Trout.
I Can't think of anyone else who'll be available in September between 140-154?

Amir Khan
Kell Brook
Devon Alexander
Austin Trout
Canelo Alvarez
James Kirkland
Zab Judah
The loser of Peterson/Matthysse

[RedBlackAttack]

Signs do seem to be pointing to Danny Garcia. Richard Schaefer even mentioned him when discussing the possibilities.

In all honesty, that isn't a bad choice for Floyd, considering the other options. Garcia has sort of becoming the prospect for Floyd that Khan used to be... Young, undefeated, talented and coming up in weight.

Victor Ortiz was also mentioned by Schaefer, though, so I'm not sure how much stock to put in what he says.

[L.Kizzle]

Signs do seem to be pointing to Danny Garcia. Richard Schaefer even mentioned him when discussing the possibilities.

In all honesty, that isn't a bad choice for Floyd, considering the other options.
Garcia is the front runner for that mini welterwight tournament.

He's supposedly fighting the winner of Peterson/Mattyhsse in September also.

[RedBlackAttack]

Garcia is the front runner for that mini welterwight tournament.

He's supposedly fighting the winner of Peterson/Mattyhsse in September also.
Well, Floyd is going to come calling for someone. He needs an opponent and Garcia might fit the bill.

Plans can be scrapped for a huge payday, I'm sure.


A rematch with Victor Ortiz would be funny. Though, it would make sense for him to fight Guerrero next.

Floyd seems to be left without a September partner at the moment. Sergio Martinez might actually be a shrewd choice at this stage. He's ripe for the picking.

[L.Kizzle]

Well, Floyd is going to come calling for someone. He needs an opponent and Garcia might fit the bill.

Plans can be scrapped for a huge payday, I'm sure.


A rematch with Victor Ortiz would be funny. Though, it would make sense for him to fight Guerrero next.

Floyd seems to be left without a September partner at the moment. Sergio Martinez might actually be a shrewd choice at this stage. He's ripe for the picking.
Amir Khan is my best bet. Floyd has been talking about a fight in the UK also.

It's gonna be either Khan or Trout, that is my best bet. Khan wants to move up in weight to 147 anyone, and for some reason Ring listed him at the #2 147 guy even though he's nver fought there before. I had Devon Alexander, but he ain't bringing in any dough. Guerrero at least had the Mexican name behind him for Cinco De Mayo.

Ortiz hasn't fully recovered from Lopez breaking his jaw, did you see him last night? Looked like 50 Cent and Bobby Brown. Plus Ortiz is coming off 2 back to back loses.

[RedBlackAttack]

Amir Khan is my best bet. Floyd has been talking about a fight in the UK also.

It's gonna be either Khan or Trout, that is my best bet. Khan wants to move up in weight to 147 anyone, and for some reason Ring listed him at the #2 147 guy even though he's nver fought there before. I had Devon Alexander, but he ain't bringing in any dough. Guerrero at least had the Mexican name behind him for Cinco De Mayo.

Ortiz hasn't fully recovered from Lopez breaking his jaw, did you see him last night? Looked like 50 Cent and Bobby Brown. Plus Ortiz is coming off 2 back to back loses.
Yeah, the Ortiz rematch will likely never happen. At least, not in the immediate future. He would need to do something like upset another bigger name. Schaefer was obviously just throwing sh!t against the wall to see what sticks.

I guess if Floyd were to fight Khan in the UK, I guess it would make sense as a major event. I always find when I'm watching the British broadcasts of his fights, the UK fight fans and commentators seem to have a ton of respect for Floyd. I don't know if that's the general sentiment or just something with the network which broadcasts his fights, but it is something I've noticed.

As for the fight itself? Not crazy about it. Khan is a very talented, extremely flawed fighter. I'd much rather see Devon Alexander.

But, it would make sense from a big event standpoint.


I'd have a lot of respect for him if he went with Trout. I doubt that happens, though. The risk/reward ratio is way out of balance, imo.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah, the Ortiz rematch will likely never happen. At least, not in the immediate future. He would need to do something like upset another bigger name. Schaefer was obviously just throwing sh!t against the wall to see what sticks.

I guess if Floyd were to fight Khan in the UK, I guess it would make sense as a major event. I always find when I'm watching the British broadcasts of his fights, the UK fight fans and commentators seem to have a ton of respect for Floyd. I don't know if that's the general sentiment or just something with the network which broadcasts his fights, but it is something I've noticed.

As for the fight itself? Not crazy about it. Khan is a very talented, extremely flawed fighter. I'd much rather see Devon Alexander.

But, it would make sense from a big event standpoint.


I'd have a lot of respect for him if he went with Trout. I doubt that happens, though. The risk/reward ratio is way out of balance, imo.
I can't see the Alexander fight taking place, Devon's style is more boring than Floyd's (to the public) and no one knows him. Plus, he'd be coming off a fight with freaking Lee Purdy because Kell Brook got injured in training.

Marcos Maidana is another good name to throw out there. If (or I should say when) he beats Joseito Lopez next month, he might be in line.

I look at his next five fights being.

Sep 2013: Khan or Trout or Maidana
Cinco 2014: JMM II or a hot Hispanic (If he fights Canelo here, where does he go next? ... It can't be him yet.)
Fall 2014: Danny Garcia (still undefeated hopefully)
Cinco 15: Canelo (still undefeated hopefully)
Last fight?: Broner (still undefeated hopefully) or PacMan

[Beatlezz]

I wouldn't mess with Trout if I'm Mayweather. I don't like that matchup at all, stylistically. Trout doesn't have great power, but his massive size advantage and activity level could be a tough combination for Floyd to overcome.

I said it before... I think Canelo is a much easier style for Floyd to have to face than Trout.

So, you don't want Floyd to fight Trout because he's a stylistic nightmare for Floyd and has a chance to win? :applause: :coleman:

Let's see Mayweather vs Malignaggi then. :banana:

[Reef]

Ideally Floyd would fight 5 of the following 6 options in no particular order:

Canelo
Sergio at 154
Trout
Winner of 140 mini tourney
Winner of Bradley vs Marquez
Pac

[RedBlackAttack]

So, you don't want Floyd to fight Trout because he's a stylistic nightmare for Floyd and has a chance to win? :applause: :coleman:

Let's see Mayweather vs Malignaggi then. :banana:
I didn't say I don't want Floyd to fight Trout. I said "if I'm Mayweather," that isn't a fight I'd want.

That isn't just because Trout presents stylistic/size problems, it's also because the risk/reward ratio is not in his favor, imo. I think there are much easier fights for Floyd out there that he would get more credit for winning.

But, if you are asking me if I want to see the fight? Hell yeah. It would be very interesting.

[L.Kizzle]

Ideally Floyd would fight 5 of the following 6 options in no particular order:

Canelo
Sergio at 154
Trout
Winner of 140 mini tourney
Winner of Bradley vs Marquez
Pac
He's not fighting Sergio, Sergio is older than him, plus he just broke his hand and is out for the rest of the year, and fights at 160. He'll be 40 wwhen he comes back next year.

With Trout and Canelo, they can do a 150 catch weight. I don't think he's goin up to 154 again.

[Reef]

He's not fighting Sergio, Sergio is older than him, plus he just broke his hand and is out for the rest of the year, and fights at 160. He'll be 40 wwhen he comes back next year.

With Trout and Canelo, they can do a 150 catch weight. I don't think he's goin up to 154 again.

Sergio will be around next year and he said he's willing to fight Floyd at 154.

Forget catch-weights, Floyd is a champ at 154, so if he fights Canelo and Trout, it should be 154 or those victories will be tainted.

[L.Kizzle]

Sergio will be around next year and he said he's willing to fight Floyd at 154.

Forget catch-weights, Floyd is a champ at 154, so if he fights Canelo and Trout, it should be 154 or those victories will be tainted.
He was 151 last year vs. Cotto. But true, it wasn't a catch weight. And I forgot he has one of the belts at 154.

[Beatlezz]

I didn't say I don't want Floyd to fight Trout. I said "if I'm Mayweather," that isn't a fight I'd want.

That isn't just because Trout presents stylistic/size problems, it's also because the risk/reward ratio is not in his favor, imo. I think there are much easier fights for Floyd out there that he would get more credit for winning.

But, if you are asking me if I want to see the fight? Hell yeah. It would be very interesting.

Man, you don't get more credit for winning an easier fight, you always get more by winning a riskier fight.

[lefthook00]

I know Amir has his flaws but I really want to see him fight Mayweather. I just want to see Floyd fight someone with faster hands than him. Call me crazy but I think a game Amir would give Floyd way more problems than someone like Garcia.

My wish list for his five fights are, in no order:

-Khan
-Manny
-Canelo
-Whoever, maybe someone smaller like the winner of the 140lb tournament
-Whoever, maybe someone bigger like Sergio, maybe something crazy like JCC Jr. next Cinco de Mayo!!!

[Beatlezz]

I know Amir has his flaws but I really want to see him fight Mayweather. I just want to see Floyd fight someone with faster hands than him. Call me crazy but I think a game Amir would give Floyd way more problems than someone like Garcia.

My wish list for his five fights are, in no order:

-Khan
-Manny
-Canelo
-Whoever, maybe someone smaller like the winner of the 140lb tournament
-Whoever, maybe someone bigger like Sergio, maybe something crazy like JCC Jr. next Cinco de Mayo!!!

If only Khan's chin can hold up.. :facepalm Dude has the ability to outbox anyone IMO.

[lefthook00]

If only Khan's chin can hold up.. :facepalm Dude has the ability to outbox anyone IMO.

Yeah if only...haha. Chin or not, he is one of my favorite fighters to watch. It was amazing how bad he whooped Judah and how good he looked against Garcia until he got necked. He should hire Mayweather Sr. if the Floyd fight doesn't happen, he's the only one who can help him at this point of his career imo.

[magic chiongson]

looking at the DLH-mayweather fight, khan could do better than DLH, if his chin holds up

[PistonsFan#21]

looking at the DLH-mayweather fight, khan could do better than DLH, if his chin holds up

thats not a good comparison. the only reason why DLH was somewhat effective agaisnt Mayweather was because of his size advantage which he used to pressure and get Floyd on the ropes. Khan wouldnt be able to pressure and walk down Floyd like that

[RedBlackAttack]

Not to mention the DLH fight wasn't as competitive as the scorecards indicated. DLH didn't land a noteworthy punch in that fight. He got Floyd along the ropes a few times and threw slapping flurries.

Even the notoriously biased (toward DLH) HBO commentators agreed the scorecards were pretty absurd.

[Beatlezz]

thats not a good comparison. the only reason why DLH was somewhat effective agaisnt Mayweather was because of his size advantage which he used to pressure and get Floyd on the ropes. Khan wouldnt be able to pressure and walk down Floyd like that

Cotto is smaller than Floyd but he had moments of success when he backed Floyd up on the ropes.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Cotto is smaller than Floyd but he had moments of success when he backed Floyd up on the ropes.
Cotto is bigger than floyd.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not to mention the DLH fight wasn't as competitive as the scorecards indicated. DLH didn't land a noteworthy punch in that fight. He got Floyd along the ropes a few times and threw slapping flurries.

Even the notoriously biased (toward DLH) HBO commentators agreed the scorecards were pretty absurd.
This. I had it 118-110.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

looking at the DLH-mayweather fight, khan could do better than DLH, if his chin holds up
Khan is terrible even if he had an iron chin. He still fights like an amateur. No defense/head movement and pitty patty arm punch flurries.

[PistonsFan#21]

Cotto is smaller than Floyd but he had moments of success when he backed Floyd up on the ropes.

no hes not. Mayweather weighed in at 151lbs when he fought Cotto even though the fight was at 154. Cotto came in at 154lbs and most likely rehydrated up to 160-164 on fight night.

There is no chance a fighter like Khan can back Floyd up agaisnt the ropes. The only way it happens is if Floyd himself decided to get on the ropes to get some rest or bait Khan to walk forward for a counter punch

[lefthook00]

Floyd looked great in 8oz gloves.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Floyd looked great in 8oz gloves.
Hurt his hand though.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Well, Floyd is going to come calling for someone. He needs an opponent and Garcia might fit the bill.

Plans can be scrapped for a huge payday, I'm sure.


A rematch with Victor Ortiz would be funny. Though, it would make sense for him to fight Guerrero next.

Floyd seems to be left without a September partner at the moment. Sergio Martinez might actually be a shrewd choice at this stage. He's ripe for the picking.
What about Canelo? I think that was the plan before he asked for a guarantee. Don't see why that wouldn't be the top choice. Biggest money fight next to Pacman. Was actually surprised not to see Floyd address him post fight.

[Iceberg Slim]

Cotto is smaller than Floyd but he had moments of success when he backed Floyd up on the ropes.

the reason Cotto was effective is that he has a underrated jab

[Beatlezz]

no hes not. Mayweather weighed in at 151lbs when he fought Cotto even though the fight was at 154. Cotto came in at 154lbs and most likely rehydrated up to 160-164 on fight night.

There is no chance a fighter like Khan can back Floyd up agaisnt the ropes. The only way it happens is if Floyd himself decided to get on the ropes to get some rest or bait Khan to walk forward for a counter punch

Cotto may be a few pounds heavier, but he's still smaller/shorter in terms of height/reach. Not to mention his fighting stance makes him smaller too.

[Beatlezz]

me, I'd like to see him against:

- Canelo!
- still, if he looks good in his next fight, Pacquiao
- Bradley
- Lara
- Molina
- if he does good in the next fights, Trout
- JMM. even though Floyd beat him like he doesn't belong in the same ring with him in a beautiful destruction, I think after knocking out Pacman he can make a strong case for himself.



:lol I'd LOVE to see that because I would enjoy to read his fans justifying the pick!

If Paulie beats Broner, that fight will surely happen.

[Beatlezz]

LOL

but there's no way. Paulie has ZERO chance of winning. I'm not going bother watching the fight anyway. I'll look up the round Paulie got knocked out the next day...
that's a bad mismatch. I think Broner is very good and has a bright future infront of him but I have no respect for him.


As funny as this may sound, beating Paulie would be Broner's best win of his career IMO. He's underrated because of his lack of power but I kinda like his skills and heart.



The only title he should have is a PHD in cherry picking. He had like one good fight and is ranked like number 5 p4p? wtf?

They don't call him Floyd impersonator for no reason. :D

[RedBlackAttack]

What about Canelo? I think that was the plan before he asked for a guarantee. Don't see why that wouldn't be the top choice. Biggest money fight next to Pacman. Was actually surprised not to see Floyd address him post fight.
I do think the Canelo fight will happen, I just doubt it happens in September. Frankly, after his performance against Trout, I'm not sure Golden Boy will be wild about throwing him in against Floyd this soon.

He still has a lot of room for improvement. I'd guess that fight would be the ultimate plan, but I'd be surprised if GBP pulled the trigger this soon on it.

[L.Kizzle]

I do think the Canelo fight will happen, I just doubt it happens in September. Frankly, after his performance against Trout, I'm not sure Golden Boy will be wild about throwing him in against Floyd this soon.

He still has a lot of room for improvement. I'd guess that fight would be the ultimate plan, but I'd be surprised if GBP pulled the trigger this soon on it.
Canelo will probably fight Victor Ortiz in september.

[L.Kizzle]

I read that the ppv buy numbers will be below a million.
Showtime's promotion wasn't very good. I didn't start to see those commercials until a week before the fight. Also, All Access is not promoted like 24/7 used to be.

And, it's Showtime. HBO is still the bigger company.

[Beatlezz]

Showtime's promotion wasn't very good. I didn't start to see those commercials until a week before the fight. Also, All Access is not promoted like 24/7 used to be.

And, it's Showtime. HBO is still the bigger company.

That and also, nobody wanted to see Floyd fight Robert Guerrero. :lol

800-900k is still a great number tho. Anything below that is a failure.