Wilt Chamberlain Shot Chart + Various Stats

[PHILA]

I realize this is a small sample size. But it is all that is available, unless someone can upload the 1973 game that was recently shown on MSG Network. I have used the following games:


1964 NBA Finals Gm. 4 Celtics vs. Warriors (2nd Half)
1967 EDF Gm. 4 Sixers vs. Celtics (2nd Half)
1969 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Celtics vs. Lakers (4th Quarter)
1970 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Lakers vs. Knicks (Incomplete)
1970 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Lakers vs. Knicks
1971 WCSF Gm. 6 Lakers vs. Bulls
Jan 9, 1972 - Lakers vs. Bucks
1972 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Knicks vs. Lakers (Incomplete)




Adjusted for 2012-13 pace (92.0), this is what Wilt averaged in the specified games above:

17.3 pts, 16.8 rbs, 4.2 ast, 3.6 blk, 2.3 tov, 63.4 FG%, 39.5% FT, 59.5 TS%



Charts:

At Rim: 42/51 FG (82.4%)
In Paint (Overall): 42/61 FG (68.9%)
Midrange: 3/10 FG (30.0%)
Slam Dunk: 18/19 FG (94.7%)


http://i.imgur.com/bryuT2C.png
http://i.imgur.com/ks1Fpth.png




Some of the stats I kept track of:


Fouls Drawn
With Ball: 18
Loose Ball & Off Ball: 8
Shots Created: (Passes leading to clean shots & fouls, including direct half-court passes, outlet passes, and hockey assists) *Not all assists are necessarily counted as shots created, and vice versa.
Total Fouls Called: 5
Outside Paint- 30
In Paint - 19 (At Rim) - 15
Half Court Touches: 172
Turnovers: 14
Team Offensive Possessions: 568
Blocks: 22
Assists: 26
TO's Forced: 13
Steals: 4
FT: 17/43
Total Rebounds: 104
Off: 34
Def: 70




Adjusted for 2012-13 pace per 48 min (92.0), this is what Wilt averaged in the specified footage above:

17.3 pts, 16.8 rbs, 4.2 ast, 3.6 blk, 2.3 tov, 63.4 FG%, 39.5% FT, 59.5 TS%

[LAZERUSS]

Interesting stuff, but unfortunately, none of those games were anywhere close to a typical "scoring" game for Chamberlain. His '64 Finals game was his only game of that group in which he took a reasonable amount of shots, going 12-23 (and 3-8 from the line.)

I always found it fascinating that there is footage of both game five and game seven of the '70 Finals, but nothing on game six, in which Wilt scored 45 points on 20-27 shooting.

Incidently, I believe one of those "3-for-10" shots was a desperation shot as the shot-clock expired.

In any case, it's just too bad that there is not footage of even one, of his 271 40+ point games.

But, there is some footage of this game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Woc6rabeE

That was the '62 All-Star game, in which Chamberlain scored 42 points on 17-23 shooting (to go along with 24 rebounds.)

[Psileas]

I realize this is a small sample size. But it is all that is available, unless someone can upload the 1973 game that was recently shown on MSG Network. I have used the following games:


1964 NBA Finals Gm. 4 Celtics vs. Warriors (2nd Half)
1967 EDF Gm. 4 Sixers vs. Celtics (2nd Half)
1969 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Celtics vs. Lakers (4th Quarter)
1970 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Lakers vs. Knicks (Incomplete)
1970 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Lakers vs. Knicks
1971 WCSF Gm. 6 Lakers vs. Bulls
Jan 9, 1972 - Lakers vs. Bucks
1972 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Knicks vs. Lakers (Incomplete)




Adjusted for 2012-13 pace (92.0), this is what Wilt averaged in the specified games above:

17.3 pts, 16.8 rbs, 4.2 ast, 3.6 blk, 2.3 tov, 63.4 FG%, 39.5% FT, 59.5 TS%



Charts:

At Rim: 42/51 FG (82.4%)
In Paint (Overall): 42/61 FG (68.9%)
Midrange: 3/10 FG (30.0%)
Slam Dunk: 18/19 FG (94.7%)


http://i.imgur.com/bryuT2C.png
http://i.imgur.com/ks1Fpth.png




Some of the stats I kept track of:


Fouls Drawn
With Ball: 18
Loose Ball & Off Ball: 8
Shots Created: (Passes leading to clean shots & fouls, including direct half-court passes, outlet passes, and hockey assists) *Not all assists are necessarily counted as shots created, and vice versa.
Total Fouls Called: 5
Outside Paint- 30
In Paint - 19 (At Rim) - 15
Half Court Touches: 172
Turnovers: 14
Team Offensive Possessions: 568
Blocks: 22
Assists: 26
TO's Forced: 13
Steals: 4
FT: 17/43
Total Rebounds: 104
Off: 34
Def: 70




Adjusted for 2012-13 pace (92.0), this is what Wilt averaged in the specified footage above:

17.3 pts, 16.8 rbs, 4.2 ast, 3.6 blk, 2.3 tov, 63.4 FG%, 39.5% FT, 59.5 TS%

With how many blocked shots did you credit Wilt with in each game?
Here's approximately what I remember from these games:

1964 NBA Finals Gm. 4 Celtics vs. Warriors (2nd Half): I don't remember any blocked shots.

1967 EDF Gm. 4 Sixers vs. Celtics (2nd Half): 4 blocked shots in the 2nd half, some source estimates around 8 total.

1969 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Celtics vs. Lakers (4th Quarter): 1?

1970 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Lakers vs. Knicks (Incomplete): I think I saw 2 in some highlight segments.

1970 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Lakers vs. Knicks: 2?

1971 WCSF Gm. 6 Lakers vs. Bulls: I remember 4. I also remember they inflated his rebounds and assists totals.

Jan 9, 1972 - Lakers vs. Bucks: 6. I remember they deflated his rebounding numbers and inflated Kareem's rebounding and blocked shots numbers.

1972 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Knicks vs. Lakers (Incomplete): 6 or 7.

[Psileas]

Speaking about rebounds: It's interesting to look at rebounding totals of his games and see whether rebounds were really correctly counted and what his rebounding rates are. In that game vs Chicago, they credited him with 33 rebounds. I counted about 27. However, I remember having counted all the rebounds of the game, and his rebounding rate was still very impressive (something like 25%).

[ShaqAttack3234]

Interesting stuff, thanks. Kind of looks like Shaq's shot chart as far as the percentages in the paint and at the rim. By the way, what were his overall numbers for those games not adjusted for pace?


Interesting stuff, but unfortunately, none of those games were anywhere close to a typical "scoring" game for Chamberlain. His '64 Finals game was his only game of that group in which he took a reasonable amount of shots, going 12-23 (and 3-8 from the line.)

I always found it fascinating that there is footage of both game five and game seven of the '70 Finals, but nothing on game six, in which Wilt scored 45 points on 20-27 shooting.

Incidently, I believe one of those "3-for-10" shots was a desperation shot as the shot-clock expired.

In any case, it's just too bad that there is not footage of even one, of his 271 40+ point games.

But, there is some footage of this game...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Woc6rabeE

That was the '62 All-Star game, in which Chamberlain scored 42 points on 17-23 shooting (to go along with 24 rebounds.)

I would really like to see one of his better '67 games(something like game 1 vs Boston in particular, or one of those high-scoring games vs the Royals) as well as something from his '62 season in an actual regular NBA game. Anything from the '62 EDF would obviously be great, but that 73 point game Bill Simmons apparently watched is really interesting.

[LAZERUSS]

Interesting stuff, thanks.



I would really like to see one of his better '67 games(something like game 1 vs Boston in particular, or one of those high-scoring games vs the Royals) as well as something from his '62 season in an actual regular NBA game. Anything from the '62 EDF would obviously be great, but that 73 point game Bill Simmons apparently watched is really interesting.

Well, as you can see in the limited footage of that '62 ASG, Chamberlain was hitting fade-away shots from as far as near the FT line. And judging from his college and early NBA career highlights that CavsFan has unearthed, Wilt had excellent range, at least early in his NBA career.

Having said that, though, from the mid-60's on, and from what I have seen, he was much selective...which obviously accounts for the rise in his FG%'s. He still had that fade-away bank shot (there is footage of him shooting it in the early 70's), but he no doubt was scoring from much closer to the basket from the mid-60's on.

As for Simmons' "73 point game", I really don't know. Years ago I read accounts of there being footage available at a public library which supposedly featured high-scoring game by Chamberlain.

BTW, (and as I am sure you know), Wilt had two 73 point games...one against Bellamy, with a stat line of 73 points, on 29-48 shooting, with 36 rebounds. Arguably the most dominant game by an all-time great against another all-time great (although outrebounding Russell 55-19 in a game has to be another one.)

[PHILA]

Incidently, I believe one of those "3-for-10" shots was a desperation shot as the shot-clock expired.
Yes, though he had a much better touch in his younger years. Look at his release point on this hook shot below. It doesn't look like much, until you notice where the basket is. He is almost shooting it down into the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wsEE9oivvM&t=14m38s


This is the only jump hook I have ever seen him take in any video footage anywhere.




By the way, what were his overall numbers for those games not adjusted for pace?
13.4 pts, 13.0 rbs, 3.2 ast, 2.8 blk, 1.8 tov, 63.4 FG%, 39.5% FT, 59.5 TS%


I have watched footage from 8 games, though it's misleading to do per game averages since most of them are incomplete. The 1970 Game 5 footage is basically a highlight film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbcl6mkQYs). I'm not sure if I should have even included it.





With how many blocked shots did you credit Wilt with in each game?

I didn't keep track by game. But I will watch again. Plus focus more on defense this time.

[LAZERUSS]

Yes, though he had a much better touch in his younger years. Look at his release point on this hook shot below. It doesn't look like much, until you notice where the basket is. He is almost shooting it down into the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wsEE9oivvM&t=14m38s


This is the only jump hook I have ever seen him take in any video footage anywhere.




13.4 pts, 13.0 rbs, 3.2 ast, 2.8 blk, 1.8 tov, 63.4 FG%, 39.5% FT, 59.5 TS%


I have watched footage from 8 games, though it's misleading to do per game averages since most of them are incomplete. The 1970 Game 5 footage is basically a highlight film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbcl6mkQYs). I'm not sure if I should have even included it.






I didn't keep track by game. But I will watch again. Plus focus more on defense this time.

I'm just curious...

Adjusted for pace? Care to explain the formula? And did you take the game totals (e.g, his 27 point, on 12-23 shooting, 38 rebound, game four of the '64 Finals), or did you just make adjustments based on the quarters and halves that you had footage for?

I have said it before, but if you fail to adjust FG%'s, the offensive numbers will be considerably lower than their "adjusted" numbers. If you reduce the '62 NBA season's FGA and FTA's down to say 2000 levels, the average '62 team will score about 86 ppg in 2000 (when the average team was scoring 98.) To even out the numbers, you have to adjust the '62 FG% to the '00 eFG%.

In any case, those games in which you tracked his shots were, once again, nowhere near even an average, "scoring" Wilt game, and certainly light years below his best games.

Having said, though, I applaud the work.

[fpliii]

:applause:

I'm surprised that a torrent/YouTube hasn't gone up yet for 1973 Finals Game 5.

Regarding Bill Simmons, I just did a quick search to find his quote:


Hard to take those numbers at face value, right? And that's before factoring in offensive goaltending (legal at the time), the lack of athletic big men (significant) and poor conditioning (which meant nobody played defense). I watched a DVD of Wilt's 73-point game in New York and two things stood out: First, he looked like a McDonald's All-American center playing junior high kids; nobody had the size or strength to consider dealing with him. Second, because of the balls-to-the-wall speed of the games, the number of touches Wilt received per quarter was almost unfathomable. Wilt averaged nearly 40 field goal attempts and another 17 free throw attempts per game during his 50-point season. Exactly forty years later, Shaq and Kobe averaged a combined 52 points a game on nearly the same amount of combined field-goal/free-throw attempts.2 Things leveled off once teams started taking defense a little more seriously, although it took a full decade to slow down and resemble what we're seeing now statistically (at least a little). Here's a snapshot every four years from 1962 on. Notice how possessions, rebound totals and point totals began to drop; how shooting percentages kept climbing; and beyond that, how the numbers jumped around from '62 to '74 to '86 to '94 to '04 to '08.

link (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7688089/maybe-oscar-robertson-triple-double-season-impressive-all)

So it appears he's talking about the game on 11/16/1962. If he saw it on DVD (and isn't fabricating his viewing), doesn't there have to be some mention of it somewhere on the web? From my understanding, the game of the week almost always involved the Celtics back then, so this might be the only thing out there, if it indeed exists. I know that it'd probably be fruitless, but perhaps a bunch of us should simultaneously contact him about the game tape, and see what we can learn?

EDIT: Just did a quick search, happened upon this site:

http://rolandopastor.com/nba.html

He claims it's a sports video trading site. He lists a couple of high scoring Wilt games:


1962 PHILADELPHIA vs NEW YORK ** WILT CHAMBERLAIN 100 POINTS! HIGHEST GAME EVER!!! (RARE) (7)

1961 PHILADELPHIA vs L.A ** WILT CHAMERLAIN 78 POINTS (RARE) (7)

Though the site doesn't seem legit/trustworthy.

EDIT 2: Just reread. It has to be a fake site, since he claims to have tape of a game that wasn't recorded (100pts).

[PHILA]

Adjusted for pace? Care to explain the formula?

In 2012-13, the league average pace (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html#misc::none) was 92.0. An estimate of possessions per 48 minutes, since more games end in regulation than in OT, it is basically possessions per game. In the game footage I saw there were 568 possessions. So knowing he scored 107 pts in 568 possessions, you ask yourself how many points did he score per 92 possessions. That would be 17.3. I personally do not like these linear comparisons across eras, but I know there are others who do.



And did you take the game totals (e.g, his 27 point, on 12-23 shooting, 38 rebound, game four of the '64 Finals), or did you just make adjustments based on the quarters and halves that you had footage for?
Just based on the footage I saw. How else would I count the possessions?



In any case, those games in which you tracked his shots were, once again, nowhere near even an average, "scoring" Wilt game, and certainly light years below his best games
Yes, it was more to show his (still) dominant rebounding and low turnover averages. On other boards there are numerous fans who have declared him turnover prone for no apparent reason at all, when all the video footage actually indicates the opposite.

[PHILA]

So it appears he's talking about the game on 11/16/1962.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196211160NYK.html

The game was played on Friday. From my understanding, all the ABC games were shown on weekends. But did the NBA even have a TV contract with ABC yet, or was that the next season? Perhaps he found a archived copy from the local TV stations? Though given some of the other lies in his book, I wouldn't be surprised if he made it up.

[fpliii]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196211160NYK.html

The game was played on Friday. From my understanding, all the ABC games were shown on weekends. But did the NBA even have a TV contract with ABC yet, or was that the next season? Perhaps he found a archived copy from the local TV stations? Though given some of the other lies in his book, I wouldn't be surprised if he made it up.

No clue. I'm pretty skeptical at this point, but I'm holding out hope that the DVD does exist. As unlikely as it is, perhaps it's part of the collection of footage to be digitalized that you've posted articles about before. Pretty weird stuff.

[LAZERUSS]

In 2012-13, the league average pace (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html#misc::none) was 92.0. An estimate of possessions per 48 minutes, since more games end in regulation than in OT, it is basically possessions per game. In the game footage I saw there were 568 possessions. So knowing he scored 107 pts in 568 possessions, you ask yourself how many points did he score per 92 possessions. That would be 17.3. I personally do not like these linear comparisons across eras, but I know there are others who do.



Just based on the footage I saw. How else would I count the possessions?



Yes, it was more to show his (still) dominant rebounding and low turnover averages. On other boards there are numerous fans who have declared him turnover prone for no apparent reason at all, when all the video footage actually indicates the opposite.

I completely understand how you reached your numbers, but here again, they were not even for full games. For example, I recall the 4th quarter of game four of the '64 Finals, and while I don't remember the number of shots he took, it was not many. Instead, it was Guy Rodgers repeatedly flashing down the floor, out of control, and throwing up wounded ducks that had no chance of going in.

And, as you and I both know, aside from his only poor performance in the '67 ECF's (which, of course, is the only known game of that series with any footage), the rest of those games involved a past his prime Wilt (and most of those were after his knee surgery.)

Here again, I am not knocking the bulk of your post, but I don't really see any reason to factor in pace in your evaluations. The real shame is that there is really no known footage involving a Wilt in even one of his typical games, much less one of his many spectacular one's.

And, of course, you are absolutely right about Wilt's reputation as some kind of a turnover machine. Just like the flat lies that claim that Wilt didn't play defense when he was in foul trouble (which, BTW, was so very rare anyway...the man averaged 2.0 fouls per game...and playing 46 mpg in the process.)

Anyway, Ihope you were not taking offense at my reply. Once again, I applaud your research.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196211160NYK.html

The game was played on Friday. From my understanding, all the ABC games were shown on weekends. But did the NBA even have a TV contract with ABC yet, or was that the next season? Perhaps he found a archived copy from the local TV stations? Though given some of the other lies in his book, I wouldn't be surprised if he made it up.
Simmons is the most vocal-dick head towards Wilt Chamberlain I know of. Based on the description he gave alone, I doubt he's seen sh*t - he literally talks like a 15 year old kid who's never seen much footage of Wilt. He's the same guy who wants Bill Russell to be heralded as the GOAT (which I have NO problems with) yet he counter-productively never hesitates to slam Wilt every chance he gets including Wilt's competition? :wtf: ? I feel like someone needs to tell him that's the same competition Bill Russell played against :facepalm Their greatness is co-dependent. The way he approaches the subject is awful, what he does is analagous to calling Larry Bird the GOAT yet slandering the abilities / talents of Magic Johnson and throwing Magic's "competition" under the bus. One can't be great without the other.

[AngelEyes]

Simmons is the most vocal-dick head towards Wilt Chamberlain I know of. Based on the description he gave alone, I doubt he's seen sh*t - he literally talks like a 15 year old kid who's never seen much footage of Wilt. He's the same guy who wants Bill Russell to be heralded as the GOAT (which I have NO problems with) yet he counter-productively never hesitates to slam Wilt every chance he gets including Wilt's competition? :wtf: ? I feel like someone needs to tell him that's the same competition Bill Russell played against :facepalm Their greatness is co-dependent. The way he approaches the subject is awful, what he does is analagous to calling Larry Bird the GOAT yet slandering the abilities / talents of Magic Johnson and throwing Magic's "competition" under the bus. One can't be great without the other.

True. Simmons is a clown and his bias is glaring.

[fefe]

In 2012-13, the league average pace (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html#misc::none) was 92.0. An estimate of possessions per 48 minutes, since more games end in regulation than in OT, it is basically possessions per game. In the game footage I saw there were 568 possessions. So knowing he scored 107 pts in 568 possessions, you ask yourself how many points did he score per 92 possessions. That would be 17.3. I personally do not like these linear comparisons across eras, but I know there are others who do.


In this case you should have mentioned that these are pace adjusted per 48 minutes stats.
because those 92 possessions per game happen to take 48 minutes nowadays...
(or did you also count the possessions while Wilt was on the bench?)

I know Wilt usually played 48 minutes anyway, but still it's an important fact.

[PHILA]

^In the footage I watched he was never on the bench, except at the end of the 1969 game. I did not record anything when he wasn't on the floor.

[fefe]

^In the footage I watched he was never on the bench, except at the end of the 1969 game. I did not record anything when he wasn't on the floor.
The point is that you didn't count possessions for 48 minutes per game. only the footage you had, which is while wilt was on the floor.
You are adjusting the numbers to the number of possessions in 48 minutes from todays league.

Therefore your numbers are pace adjusted, but per48 minute averages.

[PHILA]

Therefore your numbers are pace adjusted, but per48 minute averages.
Yes you are right. Though instead of using abbreviations like ppg & rpg, I used pts & rbs. I will specify in the OP.

[TheTenth]

Hi all, just wondering about some film. I believe from some internet reading that there is some film of the 1957 NBA finals and was wondering if anyone has found that to be true. To be honest, how much film is there of pre 1970 basketball out there? I've found some Mikan footage, about 1 minute of Joe Fulks footage, and about 10 minutes of a 1961 Nationals/Knicks game on youtube, but I was wondering how much more you guys know of.

Oh, and you guys are spot on with Simmons...

[stanlove1111]

True. Simmons is a clown and his bias is glaring.


Simmons is spot on about most things and his rankings are pretty much spot on. he has Wilt at number 6 all time. That's about right..The unbiased ones are the ridiculous Wilt backers who don't put things into context..Just read the youtube comments..

[TheTenth]

Simmons is spot on about most things and his rankings are pretty much spot on. he has Wilt at number 6 all time. That's about right..The unbiased ones are the ridiculous Wilt backers who don't put things into context..Just read the youtube comments..
While ratings like that are silly in my opinion, it's not the rankings that bothers me, it's his silly arguments in which he contradicts himself, lies, gets his facts wrong (Russell didn't miss part of the 1957 due to military service), and relies too much on personal opinions of players. I read his "Book of Basketball" and found it to be very entertaining at parts but the thing is that his ability to break down basketball players, be objective, and understand the basics of psychology (which is the reason why he heavily uses player's opinions) are very lacking. He even lacked the ability to do research into basic basketball statistics and didn't understand that team rebounds were counted into league averages before 1970.

[PHILA]

With how many blocked shots did you credit Wilt with in each game?

1964 NBA Finals Gm. 4 Celtics vs. Warriors (2nd Half): 0 blocks


1967 EDF Gm. 4 Sixers vs. Celtics (2nd Half): 4 blocks


1969 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Celtics vs. Lakers (4th Quarter): 0 blocks


1970 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Lakers vs. Knicks (Incomplete): 2 blocks


1970 NBA Finals Gm. 7 Lakers vs. Knicks (Incomplete): 0 blocks


1971 WCSF Gm. 6 Lakers vs. Bulls: 4 blocks


Jan 9, 1972 - Lakers vs. Bucks: 6 blocks, 14 rebounds

*KAJ blocks: 3 KAJ Rebounds: 11


1972 NBA Finals Gm. 5 Knicks vs. Lakers (Incomplete): 6 blocks



I remember they deflated his rebounding numbers and inflated Kareem's rebounding and blocked shots numbers.

Midway through the 3rd quarter, they showed on screen that Wilt had 11 boards and 6 blocks, with KAJ at 12 boards and 4 blocks. The Wilt figures matched up with what I had to that point, but the KAJ figures did not. I had him at 8 boards and 1 block at that point in the game. But it also seems Wilt's blocks were inflated by one or two in the 1972 game vs the Knicks, though it is incomplete. Below are defensive FG stats for Wilt's teams. It seems he was weakest in pick & roll and iso plays away from the basket where he had to move laterally. But he was excellent at guarding the paint and rim area in the half court.



Pick & Roll: 24/50 FG (48.0 %)


Isolation: 9/19 FG (47.4 %)


Low Post: 10/26 FG (38.5 %) Fouls: 3

*Kareem in the 1972 game shot 8/20 FG (40.0 %) in low post & drew 3 fouls on Wilt, 2 of which were reach in gambles on the entry pass


Help Defense/Rim Protector: 20/67 FG (29.9 %) Goaltending: 5 Fouls: 5









*Team FG stats do not include his man's stats



FG allowed from opposing TEAM (HALFCOURT)

At Rim: 22/76 FG (28.9 %)
In Paint (Overall): 38/117 FG (32.5 %)
Midrange: 90/219 FG (41.1 %)



FG allowed from opposing TEAM (TRANSITION)

At Rim: 34/55 FG (61.8 %)
In Paint (Overall): 38/64 FG (59.4 %)
Midrange: 21/42 FG (50.0 %)




FG allowed from opposing MAN (HALFCOURT)

At Rim: 8/18 FG (44.4 %) *Includes putbacks on offensive boards
In Paint (Overall): 15/32 FG (46.9 %)
Midrange: 22/47 FG (46.8 %) *Includes baseline shots from close to the basket area




FG allowed from opposing MAN (TRANSITION)

At Rim: 3/3 FG (100 %)
In Paint (Overall): 3/3 FG (100 %)
Midrange: 2/5 FG (40.0 %) *One of these misses was a full court heave by Lucas at the buzzer

[PHILA]

Synergy Offense


I have added one made FG from the incomplete 1970 game that is not on the shot chart.


http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/08/05/20110805_lal_nyk_gm7_chamberlain_play1.nba/




http://i.imgur.com/sjo7Q1l.png

[Round Mound]

Most Dominant Player Defensively and Offensively Of All Time. Greatest Peak Ever!

[PHILA]

Added numbers from 1973 Finals Gm. 5


http://i.imgur.com/MRpFroq.png

[fpliii]

Added numbers from 1973 Finals Gm. 5


http://i.imgur.com/MRpFroq.png

:applause:

Did you track defense/shotcharts the first time around, or are you gonna give it another viewing?

:pimp:

[PHILA]

^^

Perhaps another viewing.

[fpliii]

^^

Perhaps another viewing.

Sounds good, thanks for your work.

:cheers:

I still haven't watched it in its entirety, but I'm sure there are some more great plays like that nice dunk you found.

[Marchesk]

Most Dominant Player Defensively and Offensively Of All Time. Greatest Peak Ever!

Wilt > Lebron

And it's not even close.

[CavaliersFTW]

Synergy Offense


I have added one made FG from the incomplete 1970 game that is not on the shot chart.


http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/08/05/20110805_lal_nyk_gm7_chamberlain_play1.nba/




http://i.imgur.com/sjo7Q1l.png
Wait, does that dunk not exist in the normally distrubuted broadcast or something because I assumed that broadcast was totally intact/complete? If not, that might explain why Baylor's listed stats are not what I counted when I combed through the film

[PHILA]

Wait, does that dunk not exist in the normally distrubuted broadcast or something because I assumed that broadcast was totally intact/complete? If not, that might explain why Baylor's listed stats are not what I counted when I combed through the film


The one I saw is the NBA's Greatest Games version, which usually means some portion of the game will be missing.

[CavaliersFTW]

The one I saw is the NBA's Greatest Games version, which usually means some portion of the game will be missing.
damn why do they do that :rant

I also learned this past year that the 1966 Celtics Documentary that was filmed during the Celtics Royals playoff series was DRASTICALLY cut down for ESPN and NBAtv, like over 30 some minutes of it was removed and that the original maker of that documentary can't even watch it with how much they removed. The original version of that film actually hasn't been seen by anyone outside of the NBA's closed doors since it was on select theater screens in the late 1960's. I really hope that some day all of this stuff becomes digitally archived and accessible in it's original unaltered form.

[feyki]

I'm so surprised to Wilt's 2.5 turnovers on 100 possesions . That was very interesting .

[DavisIsMyUniBro]

I'm so surprised to Wilt's 2.5 turnovers on 100 possesions . That was very interesting .

Well, I recall that he said he might have missed a few, and one game had him have 0, so that skewed it a bit. Still better than expected though

[feyki]

Well, I recall that he said he might have missed a few, and one game had him have 0, so that skewed it a bit. Still better than expected though

Probably , Big Difference is about op recorded the "his older era" . 1962 Wilt probably had nearly 8 turnovers per game to me .

[DaRkJaWs]

Wilt never lost a handle on the ball because with those hands it was impossible for that to happen...and it was hard for anyone to strip the ball from out of his hands for the same reason, though it did happen on occasion. his passes were also on point later in his career, though like anyone of course you make a few turnovers when you pass the ball a lot. Where most of Wilt's turnovers come from, I'd say the majority of them, are from goaltending. Not only would wilt have the record for most blocks ever, but also most goaltends.

[LAZERUSS]

Probably , Big Difference is about op recorded the "his older era" . 1962 Wilt probably had nearly 8 turnovers per game to me .

I'm curious...where did you that idea? I'm not saying you are incorrect, because I honestly don't know, but, given what we do know, that stat seems far-fetched.

[feyki]

I'm curious...where did you that idea? I'm not saying you are incorrect, because I honestly don't know, but, given what we do know, that stat seems far-fetched.

Dean Oliver said "62 Wilt had 8 to per game"

But i reached that with my way ;

1974 Turnovers to shooting possesions( fga+(ftax0.45) ) ratio is %19.73 ( 20.8/105.4 ) .

1962 poss rating is 0.95 , 1974 poss rating is 1.00 .

1.00/0.95 x 0.1973 = 0.2065

1962 TO ratios is %20.65 in my calculations .

Wilt Chamberlain used 47.15 shooting poss at 62 season .

Wilt Chamberlain offensive rating is 1.07 (only scoring) .

(0.95/1.07) x 0.2065 = 0.1833

47.15 x 0.1833 = 8.6 turnovers


Numbers to be 6.5 on 100 poss . And adjusting the poss ratings , 5.8 on 100 poss at todays dynamics .

Westbrook has 7+ turnovers for 35 points at 100 poss . 62 Wilt would score 43 with 5.8 to on 100 poss at todays .

[SpanishACB]

With how many blocked shots did you credit Wilt with in each game?
Here's approximately what I remember from these games:


the obsession levels :biggums:

[Psileas]

the obsession levels :biggums:

Yeah, being good at remembering numbers, especially out of a grant total of like 10 games, is "obsession"...

[SpanishACB]

you're remembering rebounds from individual independent games you didn't watch and that happened when you were at most, a child

i'm not saying you're memory isn't good, but you're still a freak

[sd3035]

In today's league, scrawny Ilt would get bodied off the block and be forced to shoot 30% most of the time, or adjust his game

[Psileas]

you're remembering rebounds from individual independent games you didn't watch and that happened when you were at most, a child

i'm not saying you're memory isn't good, but you're still a freak

OK, read my initial post and you'll see you're wrong. First of all, they're not rebounds, they're blocked shots (=smaller, easier to remember numbers) and, most importantly, I saw all of them, since all of them exist. It just takes a moderate amount of interest to remember such stuff.

[LAZERUSS]

Dean Oliver said "62 Wilt had 8 to per game"

But i reached that with my way ;

1974 Turnovers to shooting possesions( fga+(ftax0.45) ) ratio is %19.73 ( 20.8/105.4 ) .

1962 poss rating is 0.95 , 1974 poss rating is 1.00 .

1.00/0.95 x 0.1973 = 0.2065

1962 TO ratios is %20.65 in my calculations .

Wilt Chamberlain used 47.15 shooting poss at 62 season .

Wilt Chamberlain offensive rating is 1.07 (only scoring) .

(0.95/1.07) x 0.2065 = 0.1833

47.15 x 0.1833 = 8.6 turnovers


Numbers to be 6.5 on 100 poss . And adjusting the poss ratings , 5.8 on 100 poss at todays dynamics .

Westbrook has 7+ turnovers for 35 points at 100 poss . 62 Wilt would score 43 with 5.8 to on 100 poss at todays .

Again, you may be right, but from the info above, it looks like you are "standardizing" Wilt's TO ratio.

Watch Wilt footage from his early-to-mid NBA career. Much of it was "catch-and-shoot" with very little dribbling. Typically he would catch a pass, and make a turn in either direction, or shoot a fall-away bank shot. That is not to say he didn't dribble (he was actually very adept at dribbling in the first half of his career, and before his knees are starting giving him problems.)

[feyki]

Again, you may be right, but from the info above, it looks like you are "standardizing" Wilt's TO ratio.

Watch Wilt footage from his early-to-mid NBA career. Much of it was "catch-and-shoot" with very little dribbling. Typically he would catch a pass, and make a turn in either direction, or shoot a fall-away bank shot. That is not to say he didn't dribble (he was actually very adept at dribbling in the first half of his career, and before his knees are starting giving him problems.)

I'm right only on math . I don't know those numbers , like everyone . Your point is right . Wilt was playing run n gun finisher like Amare . I wish , we could reach those numbers at one day .

[LAZERUSS]

I'm right only on math . I don't know those numbers , like everyone . Your point is right . Wilt was playing run n gun finisher like Amare . I wish , we could reach those numbers at one day .

I actually appreciate your math. You are one of the few posters here who does any kind of quality analysis with era statistics.

[feyki]

I actually appreciate your math. You are one of the few posters here who does any kind of quality analysis with era statistics.

Thanks man :cheers: :cheers: .

I love talking about nba history , and i am here for that . I'm so glad to see like you people in here .

[LAZERUSS]

Thanks man :cheers: :cheers: .

I love talking about nba history , and i am here for that . I'm so glad to see like you people in here .

:cheers:

And keep posting...

[feyki]

:cheers:

And keep posting...

:cheers: :cheers: