MJ shot 1-19 in a playoffs game!

[Bladers]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[toooo]

Sounds like he must be the GOAT.


jk, sounds like JR Brick.

[#number6ix#]

Oh no not mike he was perfect

[black&scholes]

And you purposely ignore the second part of that sentence.

MJ ended up 9-35, and dominated the fourth quarter. - Steve Kerr

[Kiddlovesnets]

So what does this mean? JR is the modern era's MJ?
:bowdown:

[PizzamanIRL]

Oh no he's the worst player ever for messing up so bad in one game.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble.

[zizozain]

MJ and Pip combined 2-25 against GSW just before an all-star game

[Mr. Incredible]

Something LeBron would never ever do. :bowdown:

[zizozain]

and he missed 20 shots and had the total of 1 rebound 1 assist
in his biggest game in the Finals

[schism206]

Something LeBron would never ever do. :bowdown:
Something MJ would never do, lose in the finals :oldlol:

[imnew09]

Something MJ would never do, lose in the finals :oldlol:


Someone call the ambulance, someone just got burn

[Johnny Jones]

http://i.minus.com/ibjnYqQYW5IqFm.gif

[jstern]

I haven't seen Bladders in a long time.

[Mrofir]

and he missed 20 shots and had the total of 1 rebound 1 assist
in his biggest game in the Finals

MJ had the luxury of having lots of big games in the finals. If he had lost that game, they'd have won the series in game 7, so game 7 would be the "biggest" finals game

6/6. thrdead/

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Uhh, when was this? :confusedshrug:

[Vragrant]

what game was this? I remember him going like 3-18 vs the Knicks in the '93 playoffs and then torched them for 54 points the next game.

The thing with Jordan was, when he was having a bad game it just because he was off. MJ would still get to the spots on the floor he wanted, he would still get separation on his jumper etc its just that the shots wouldn't fall.

Its not like for example when Kobe has a bad game and you think to yourself,"Damn,...he looks like garbage tonight".

[pauk]

Something MJ would never do, lose in the finals :oldlol:

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...

[DonDadda59]

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...

Dawg... 2011. Stop it.

[Mrofir]

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...


You really want to play a game that you lose when the other person says a number?



Six.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

1997 Miami Heat def rating 100.6

04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

[hitmanyr2k]

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...

There's really no game to play. Lebron fans don't want to do this. They'll lose. Jordan in his prime (and completely healthy) with all the playoff experience in the world playing with two other all-stars would never score 8 points in a goddamn Finals game and shrink to the size of a flea and to top it off get called a bitch by Shawn Marion in the same game :oldlol: Jordan could score 8 points ****in blind-folded and if Shawn Marion ever dared called him a bitch Jordan would make him eat that ball.

[Mrofir]

There's really no game to play. Lebron fans don't want to do this. They'll lose. Jordan in his prime (and completely healthy) with all the playoff experience in the world playing with two other all-stars would never score 8 points in a goddamn Finals game and shrink to the size of a flea and to top it off get called a bitch by Shawn Marion in the same game :oldlol: Jordan could score 8 points ****in blind-folded and if Shawn Marion ever dared called him a bitch Jordan would make him eat that ball.


lol :cheers:


... but, how do you really feel?

[red1]

There's really no game to play. Lebron fans don't want to do this. They'll lose. Jordan in his prime (and completely healthy) with all the playoff experience in the world playing with two other all-stars would never score 8 points in a goddamn Finals game and shrink to the size of a flea and to top it off get called a bitch by Shawn Marion in the same game :oldlol: Jordan could score 8 points ****in blind-folded and if Shawn Marion ever dared called him a bitch Jordan would make him eat that ball.
shawn marion called lebron a bitch? how did I miss this :lol

[juju151111]

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...
he got to the finals twice those ages and was:lol 0-2

[Magic 32]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals


Yet Wade had no problem playing them.

http://www.vibe.com/sites/vibe.com/files/styles/main_image/public/article_images/Screen%20shot%202013-01-05%20at%203.36.22%20PM.png


You are never gonna erase that part of his legacy. Just stop it.

[juju151111]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals
:lol :roll: be serious bro

[Bandito]

Something MJ would never do, choke in the finals :oldlol:
fixed!

[juju151111]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals
Didn't Jason terry talk smack to lebrick and know folded in 3 straight games.

[Bandito]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Not even close.:no:

[DonDadda59]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals

Absolutely not :oldlol:

Lebron choked, no need to make excuses. Look what Wade did to the Mavs that same series. Jordan would've absolutely shitted on them.


1997 Miami Heat def rating 100.6

04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

Most of those teams would've been middle of the pack defensively in the 73-74 season. These are facts :applause:

Top 10 DRTG 1973-74 Season

1. Chicago Bulls- 93.6
2. Milwaukee Bucks- 93.6
3. Detroit Pistons- 93.8
4. Capital Bullets- 94.2
5. New York Knicks- 94.7
6. Boston Celtics- 95.1
7. Los Angeles Lakers- 96.6
8. Golden State Warriors- 98.4
9. Atlanta Hawks- 99
10. Philadelphia 76ers- 99

So what are you really saying? :confusedshrug:

[Levity]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals

haha. good one.

and dont forget to add that the 2007 spurs are the best team in nba history.

[dh144498]

Something MJ would never do, lose in the finals :oldlol:

:roll:

oowwwnnnned.

[hitmanyr2k]

shawn marion called lebron a bitch? how did I miss this :lol

I still can't believe it. 8 points in a Finals game with someone disrespecting him like that. Any other superstar in their prime would wake up if someone trash-talked them like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M

[Psycho]

Lets not act like they're playing against the same level of defense. Sure they were playing against the same team at the exact same time.. but the best defender and entire defensive attention is geared towards LeBron. Wade didn't do shit when they clamped down on him in the clutch.

Also, Allowing Dwyane Wade to go off early was part of the Mav's ingenious scheme.. throwing LeBron off and giving the illusion that Wade was more effective really screwed with the Heat (best) dynamics of LeBron being the main focal point.


Already addressed this point above. And yes the Mavs would give far more resistant to MJ's Bulls than any soft 90's team (outside of 94/95 Rockets).

:roll: :roll: :roll: Yup, that's what happened.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Absolutely not :oldlol:

Lebron choked, no need to make excuses. Look what Wade did to the Mavs that same series. Jordan would've absolutely shitted on them.



Most of those teams would've been middle of the pack defensively in the 73-74 season. These are facts :applause:

Top 10 DRTG 1973-74 Season

1. Chicago Bulls- 93.6
2. Milwaukee Bucks- 93.6
3. Detroit Pistons- 93.8
4. Capital Bullets- 94.2
5. New York Knicks- 94.7
6. Boston Celtics- 95.1
7. Los Angeles Lakers- 96.6
8. Golden State Warriors- 98.4
9. Atlanta Hawks- 99
10. Philadelphia 76ers- 99

So what are you really saying? :confusedshrug:

I'm not ranking defenses. I'm ranking offensive performances against those defenses. Given three identical offensive performances the one against an average 74 team would be most impressive, 04 2nd most impressive and from a random Jordan year least impressive. :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

Already addressed this point above. And yes the Mavs would give far more resistance to MJ's Bulls than any soft 90's team (outside of 94/95 Rockets).

:oldlol:

The Mavs would've never gotten past any of the teams Jordan played in the finals with the exception of maybe the Lakers. Sooner or later you're going to have to stop making excuses and face reality. The only reason the Heat lost in the finals against the Mavs was because of Lebron James choking.

But Lebron got his mind right and he moved on from that failure and he doesn't need Wade to yell at him like a child at half court in a vain attempt to get him to stop hiding in the corner and do something in the fourth.

[juju151111]

Lets not act like they're playing against the same level of defense. Sure they were playing against the same team at the exact same time.. but the best defender and entire defensive attention is geared towards LeBron. Wade didn't do shit when they clamped down on him in the clutch.

Also, Allowing Dwyane Wade to go off early was part of the Mav's ingenious scheme.. throwing LeBron off and giving the illusion that Wade was more effective really screwed with the Heat (best) dynamics of LeBron being the main focal point.


Already addressed this point above. And yes the Mavs would give far more resistance to MJ's Bulls than any soft 90's team (outside of 94/95 Rockets).
Lj choked and got exposed by Jason terry lmao.

[hitmanyr2k]

Lets not act like they're playing against the same level of defense. Sure they were playing against the same team at the exact same time.. but the best defender and entire defensive attention is geared towards LeBron. Wade didn't do shit when they clamped down on him in the clutch.

Also, Allowing Dwyane Wade to go off early was part of the Mav's ingenious scheme.. throwing LeBron off and giving the illusion that Wade was more effective really screwed with the Heat (best) dynamics of LeBron being the main focal point.


Already addressed this point above. And yes the Mavs would give far more resistant to MJ's Bulls than any soft 90's team (outside of 94/95 Rockets).


Not really. After his Game 2 choke Lebron was mentally shook. In Game 3 he wanted no part of the ball in the final minutes. He constantly had one on one coverage and he sat on the perimeter, played hot potato and swung the ball like he was 2006 Kobe in Game 7. The final straw was Lebron swinging the ball to Chalmers in the corner and backing away. Chalmers got trapped and Lebron didn't even come back to the ball to help him. Chalmers turned it over and Wade snapped on Lebron and scolded him like a child :oldlol: I think that's when Lebron truly unraveled because I don't think anyone ever undressed him like that before and to make it worse it was on the biggest stage.

[juju151111]

I'm not ranking defenses. I'm ranking offensive performances against those defenses. Given three identical offensive performances the one against an average 74 team would be most impressive, 04 2nd most impressive and from a random Jordan year least impressive. :confusedshrug:
So players from the 70s that performed good should move up on the all time list and kareem should be the undisputed Goat.

[red1]

I still can't believe it. 8 points in a Finals game with someone disrespecting him like that. Any other superstar in their prime would wake up if someone trash-talked them like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cbt2UXgB2M
Lebron a bitch for that for real. Shouldve ate shawn marion, now he owes dwade a chip and a finals mvp

[Yao Ming's Foot]

So players from the 70s that performed good should move up on the all time list and Maternal should be the undisputed Goat.

No, thats no the point at all.

The point is comparing offensive stats born out of that era to offensive stats born out of a relative offensive powerhouse era without recognizing how much more difficult they were in the former than the latter is ignorant.

[andgar923]

http://ronslifespeaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Michael-Jordan-6-Championship-Rings.jpg

[Yao Ming's Foot]

So players from the 70s that performed good should move up on the all time list and kareem should be the undisputed Goat.

Kareem already is the GOAT.

[DonDadda59]

So players from the 70s that performed good should move up on the all time list and kareem should be the undisputed Goat.

That's what relying solely on DRTG tells us, so yes.

Kareem went through Boston (95.1), the Bulls (93.6), and LA (96.6) in the playoffs, sweeping the Bulls while averaging 32 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG on 56% FG.

I think it's safe to say that Kareem would be putting up 40/20 per season in this weak era. Drtg- the infallible, all-knowing metric deems it so. Thank you for opening our eyes RocketsG :bowdown:

[red1]

LeBron has never got swept in the first round / eliminated from the first round.
http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/03/31/90/61/heat-mavs2011_1414604a.JPG

[juju151111]

Kareem already is the GOAT.
Well maybe iyo Kareem the Goat and that's fine. Like I said I just want to figure out how much you think Kareem is better then Mj/Shaq/Duncan etc... Kareem was facing around 93 drtg the 70s consistently so the gap is pretty good right. Clearly

[jzek]

Did they win though?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

That's what relying solely on DRTG tells us, so yes.

Kareem went through Boston (95.1), the Bulls (93.6), and LA (96.6) in the playoffs, sweeping the Bulls while averaging 32 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG on 56% FG.

I think it's safe to say that Kareem would be putting up 40/20 per season in this weak era. Drtg- the infallible, all-knowing metric deems it so. Thank you for opening our eyes RocketsG :bowdown:

Out of all of the players to attempt to build some strawman argument you choose freaking prime Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

:facepalm

The depths of Jordan delusion is amazing.
.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Well maybe iyo Kareem the Goat and that's fine. Like I said I just want to figure out how much you think Kareem is better then Mj/Shaq/Duncan etc... Kareem was facing around 93 drtg the 70s consistently so the gap is pretty good right. Clearly

Shaq and Duncan both faced way more defensive efficient playoff defenses than Jordan in general.

Given identical statlines it would go Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Jordan.

[DonDadda59]

Out of all of the players to attempt to build some strawman argument you choose freaking prime Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

:facepalm

The depths of Jordan delusion is amazing.
.

I'm the one building 'strawman arguments'? :oldlol:

I could have easily used John Havlicek and that season's Drtgs to show that he > Bean. Hey, after all 8 rangz>5 rangz, right?

Back to the drawing board for you I'm afraid. But don't worry though, one of these days it'll happen... you'll finally crack the code that makes Bean magically better than MJ. Hell, it's not like this isn't 2006 and that's still cool, right?

Take it easy my dude :cheers:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I'm the one building 'strawman arguments'? :oldlol:

I could have easily used John Havlicek and that season's Drtgs to show that he > Bean. Hey, after all 8 rangz>5 rangz, right?

Back to the drawing board for you I'm afraid. But don't worry though, one of these days it'll happen... you'll finally crack the code that makes Bean magically better than MJ. Hell, it's not like this isn't 2006 and that's still cool, right?

Take it easy my dude :cheers:

Well you are not building a strawman argument, you are failing to build any type of argument period.

Given identical statlines why wouldn't it be more impressive to do so in the context of 1974 basketball than 1988?

[DonDadda59]

Given identical statlines why wouldn't it be more impressive to do so in the context of 1974 basketball than 1988?

I do whatever Drtg tells me and I disregard everything else. Drtg is the one true God :bowdown:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I do whatever Drtg tells me and I disregard everything else. Drtg is the one true God :bowdown:

Now this would be a strawman argument.

Instead of just facing reality that the defensive context matters in comparing offensive performances of players you created some alternate argument that "D rating is god".

:facepalm

[webberz0044]

Here's that game in question - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIv-RfvunI

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Now this would be a strawman argument.

Instead of just facing reality that the defensive context matters in comparing offensive performances of players you created some alternate argument that "D rating is god".

:facepalm

Oh, so NOW context matters? Silly Yao. :lol

[red1]

yao ming's foot should change his name to javale mcgee's brain

[DonDadda59]

Now this would be a strawman argument.

Instead of just facing reality that the defensive context matters in comparing offensive performances of players you created some alternate argument that "D rating is god".

:facepalm

:confusedshrug:

I know not of what you speak. But I'm sure this is somehow ironic.

[juju151111]

Shaq and Duncan both faced way more defensive efficient playoff defenses than Jordan in general.

Given identical statlines it would go Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Jordan.
True and Rick too. In 75 he shot 44% on a 95 drtg team. So Kareem>>Rick>Shaq>Duncan>john>Mj>Kobe. I will update the list soon I have to go do some reseach because I want to see exactly wear Mj is on ur list.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

It's like a Jordan mythologists convention in here yet nobody wants to step to the plate with an answer.

Given identical statlines why wouldn't it be more impressive to do so in the context of 1974 basketball than 1988?

:confusedshrug:

[juju151111]

Now this would be a strawman argument.

Instead of just facing reality that the defensive context matters in comparing offensive performances of players you created some alternate argument that "D rating is god".

:facepalm
Context? Rd u talking about?Drtg and Mj and Kobe would definatly be only top 10 during the 70s. Shit they might struggle to shoot 38% against top teams in the 70s I like ur list tho. I have seen that I made a mistake. Mj isn't even in my top 7 anymore.

[PickernRoller]

Bladers back - top news of the day.

MJ GOAT.

[Legends66NBA7]

And yes the Mavs would give far more resistance to MJ's Bulls than any soft 90's team (outside of 94/95 Rockets).

Hold up... who are these 'soft' teams MJ's Bulls played ?

[andgar923]

Failed thread.

OP fails to mention how Mj went on a tear later on that game.
Fails to mention that it didn't cost his team the series.
Failst to menton how the Bulls went on to win the chip.

And if you look at the vid, almost all of his shots were easy shots for him, they simply weren't falling. It wasn't like Kobrick's shots, in which he forces bad shot after bad contested shot.

[deja vu]

Just a minor hiccup on the road to greatness...

http://i.imgur.com/k9K2ONW.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Something LeBron would never ever do. :bowdown:
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

[Calabis]

Yao still at this bs...Jordan plated in a weak era, Durant and James play in a weak era, only my lord and savior Kobe played in a tough era

[The Iron Fist]

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...


Something lebron will never do....have more wins than losses in the finals, have a winning record in the finals.

[The Iron Fist]

Kareem already is the GOAT.
:rockon:

[The Iron Fist]

LeBron has never got swept in the first round / eliminated from the first round.:facepalm
Lebron has faced at least FIVE .500 teams in the first round.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.
The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Example of Ad Hominem

Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

[The Iron Fist]

Just a minor hiccup on the road to greatness...

http://i.imgur.com/k9K2ONW.jpg
http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/49-08/49-08388-P.jpg

Big deal mike. I have one ring for each finger and my third leg. That little award you have, they named it after me.

[deja vu]

http://c-product.images.dreamsretail.com/49-08/49-08388-P.jpg

Big deal mike. I have one ring for each finger and my third leg. That little award you have, they named it after me.
Only modern era counts. Not 8-team leagues and white short centers era. :roll:

[diamenz]

damn mikey japped out in the fourth.

[TheMan]

Something Lebron would never do, NOT be in at least one Finals before the age of 28 having even a worse team than Jordan did. :oldlol:

Two can play that game...
Lets ignore that the Finals that LBJ took the Cavs to the Finals before age 28 in an EC that was garbage while MJ was up against the legendary Bird Celtics and Bad Boys Pistons...

Context Pauk, look it up.

[dh144498]

something MJ would never do, getting outscored by a bench player in the NBA finals. :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

So players from the 70s that performed good should move up on the all time list and kareem should be the undisputed Goat.



Hondo better than Kobe with more rings in a tougher league... :rockon: :applause: :roll:

Kobe out of my new top 10

[Doranku]

:biggums:

2011 Mavs >>>>> Any team MJ played against in the Finals
:roll:

EVERY team MJ played against in the Finals >>>>>>>> 2011 Mavs

[Greg Oden 50]

2011's Mavs was the 2ND most weakest Finals Team in NBA History,and the woprst was 2012's Thunders :banana:

[fpliii]

In my opinion, only modern era counts. Not 8-team leagues and white short centers era. :roll:

When did the modern era start, in your book?

[GOBB]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Jeremy Lin avg 4.3ppg 2.3rpg 2.7apg shooting 25% FG and 11% from 3pt.

Now THAT is...


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Wait you dont want to talk up Lin after you claimed he was a better shooter than Jrue Holiday AND Kyrie Irving? You dont want to speak on how he has the most potential as a PG in the NBA?

Safe to assume you did what I told you and SHUT THEE F*CK UP?

Solid.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Lets ignore that the Finals that LBJ took the Cavs to the Finals before age 28 in an EC that was garbage while MJ was up against the legendary Bird Celtics and Bad Boys Pistons...

Context Pauk, look it up.

To compare Jordan to LeBron in the NBA Finals would mean Jordan being outscored by Danny Ainge against the Blazers (second NBA Final series, being outscored by the first guard off the bench against the opposition).

[gengiskhan]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

34 MJ atleast did that :roll:

stay healthy for Post season. :roll:

atleast he did not tore off his achilles heel at age of 34. :roll:

[sportjames23]

Bladders

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

SMH MJ this nikka:roll: :roll:

[poido123]

Something LeBron would never ever do. :bowdown:

Can someone post the series Lebron vs Dallas stats NBA finals 2011? :lol Literally a ghost on the biggest stage, Jordan doesn't choke finals.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Something LeBron would never ever do. :bowdown:
Lebron against KG and celtics in 2008 have 2-18 and 10 turnovers:roll: :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :lol :roll: :lebroncry: