5-Year Old Tragically Kills Baby Sister with Rifle 'Made for Youths'

[andgar923]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0aNLwHJAk

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[brantonli]

My god...the guy in the video makes some really good points. It was absolutely an accident, but a very preventable one as well. Who in their right minds gives a FIVE year old a gun as a gift? Should the two year old sister have been given a gun as well for self protection?

My prayers and thoughts for the family who lost their daughter :(

[Myth]

I love listening to that guy when he is passionate about something.

[bdreason]

I wonder if or when they will tell the kid he murdered his sister. I'm not sure a 5 year old can really connect those dots.


I think the obvious questions are;

Who makes and sells guns for 5 year olds?

What parent would train a 5 year old to shoot a rifle?

And who leaves a loaded gun sitting on the floor with a 5 year old and 2 year old kid in the house?




If it wasn't already such a tragedy, I would say the parents need to be arrested for involuntary manslaughter.

[ripthekik]

Waiting for "It's not the gun's fault, it's the criminal behind the gun"
o...:rolleyes:

[AirMike]

:facepalm :facepalm

[millwad]

The gun culture in the US is horrible, beyond horrible.
Something is very wrong in the US, I was in Texas for a couple of months as an exchange student and I was honestly scared over the gun situation.

The shit doesn't protect anyone really, compare the murder rates in the US with fire arms and compare it to Canada, it's laughable. And there are many guns in Canada as well but it's obviously the cultural thing with guns in the US and the paranoida that runs through the society.

I saw "Bowling for Columbine" yesterday for the second time and the first time I saw it, it it really didn't hit me but this time it did big time since I've experienced the american culture due the fact that I just got back from the US.

Moore mentions the media as a big part in the paranoia and it's so true, you can't turn the TV on without hearing about dangerous blacks and hispanic people and there's so much focus on crimes in media.

[Blue&Orange]

False flag!

Photoshops of guys wearing seals hats and running away will be online soon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

[JtotheIzzo]

NRA will respond with the following:

"This wouldn't have happened if the 2 year old had a rifle of her own to protect herself!"

"This could have been avoided if there were armed guards in every home!"

"Maybe his sister was threatening him and he was simply standing his ground?"

Here is the gun he got, the owners of this company should be put in jail:

http://www.crickett.com/

Great message! And the f*cking parents need to be locked up too.

Its time to start judging people a little more harshly.

[kNicKz]

Waiting for "It's not the gun's fault, it's the criminal behind the gun"
o...:rolleyes:

it's not the parents fault?

:biggums:

[bmulls]

The gun culture in the US is horrible, beyond horrible.
Something is very wrong in the US, I was in Texas for a couple of months as an exchange student and I was honestly scared over the gun situation.

The shit doesn't protect anyone really, compare the murder rates in the US with fire arms and compare it to Canada, it's laughable. And there are many guns in Canada as well but it's obviously the cultural thing with guns in the US and the paranoida that runs through the society.

I saw "Bowling for Columbine" yesterday for the second time and the first time I saw it, it it really didn't hit me but this time it did big time since I've experienced the american culture due the fact that I just got back from the US.

Moore mentions the media as a big part in the paranoia and it's so true, you can't turn the TV on without hearing about dangerous blacks and hispanic people and there's so much focus on crimes in media.

You never even saw a gun unless it was a police officer. All you do is talk shit about the US. Stay in whatever shithole your fat ass is from and worry about your own issues.

[bmulls]

it's not the parents fault?

:biggums:

exactly

[miller-time]

This is mostly parental idiocy. But still, I'm not sure exactly why it is legal to give a 5 year old a gun? A law shouldn't have to be in place for that, but obviously it has to if these kinds of parents exist.

[kNicKz]

A law shouldn't have to be in place for that, but obviously it has to if these kinds of parents exist.

yeah, because every family that is responsible should be punished for these retards.

I have a better idea. Call DCF and take their kids away.

But nah, god forbid someone takes personal responsibility for anything. ever...

[millwad]

You never even saw a gun unless it was a police officer. All you do is talk shit about the US. Stay in whatever shithole your fat ass is from and worry about your own issues.

Haha, you're probably most white trash poster here, seriously..

Instead of actually discussing the subject, you're coming up with lame "punchlines". I've seen your posts regarding guns and you're the traditional redneck.

And the US business is everyone's business considering that the US is everywhere and pushing their agendas and invading countries. And it says alot about how insecure you are as a person that you would respond like this to a concerning post of mine.

http://www.crickett.com/images/kids/10.jpg

[kNicKz]

Haha, you're probably most white trash poster here, seriously..

Instead of actually discussing the subject, you're coming up with lame "punchlines". I've seen your posts regarding guns and you're the traditional redneck.

And the US business is everyone's business considering that the US is everywhere and pushing their agendas and invading countries. And it says alot about how insecure you are as a person that you would respond like this to a concerning post of mine.

http://www.crickett.com/images/kids/10.jpg

wait... you don't live in America?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Son, go back to stalking theoo.....you don't even know what a redneck is...

[kNicKz]

http://www.crickett.com/images/kids/10.jpg

nice touch

:rolleyes:

[miller-time]

yeah, because every family that is responsible should be punished for these retards.

I have a better idea. Call DCF and take their kids away.

But nah, god forbid someone takes personal responsibility for anything. ever...

How are people being punished by not being allowed to give children deadly weapons? Are families punished because their 5 year olds can't drive or drink or smoke or gamble or work in factories?

Technically they can only take one kid away now.. Because the parents were irresponsible.

[millwad]

wait... you don't live in America?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Son, go back to stalking theoo.....you don't even know what a redneck is...

No, I don't live in the US.
Got back after a couple of months in the US as an exchange student, been to the US prior to that as well.

[kNicKz]

How are people being punished by not being allowed to give children deadly weapons? Are families punished because their 5 year olds can't drive or drink or smoke or gamble or work in factories?




What? Work in factories...??? Please explain the relevance of that....


A 5 year old can't purchase a weapon in a store. Suggest a law please to stop a parent from purchasing a weapon and letting their kid use it. Should the government install cameras in their house that give a 24/7 feed of the gun? Plenty of kids go hunting and shooting with their parents in a safe manner.

[kNicKz]

No, I don't live in the US.
Got back after a couple of months in the US as an exchange student, been to the US prior to that as well.

Ok, where do you live? LOL

[kNicKz]

the parents were irresponsible.

Better get those thousands of responsible families now

[Blue&Orange]

yeah, because every family that is responsible should be punished for these retards.

I have a better idea. Call DCF and take their kids away.

But nah, god forbid someone takes personal responsibility for anything. ever...



Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it

A lot of retards over there hen?

talibans and republicans are the most backwards people in the world. Arguing with walls is a more enriching activity.

[millwad]

Ok, where do you live? LOL

London in a couple of weeks, born and raised in Sweden.

[bmulls]

Haha, you're probably most white trash poster here, seriously..

Instead of actually discussing the subject, you're coming up with lame "punchlines". I've seen your posts regarding guns and you're the traditional redneck.

And the US business is everyone's business considering that the US is everywhere and pushing their agendas and invading countries. And it says alot about how insecure you are as a person that you would respond like this to a concerning post of mine.

http://www.crickett.com/images/kids/10.jpg

Yeah, I'm a redneck because I believe in personal responsibility and don't blame inanimate objects for my country's problems :rolleyes:

You're just a fat loser. Go to the gym and get off ISH, it'll take your mind off hating a country you'll never be a citizen of.

[kNicKz]

talibans and republicans are the most backwards people in the world. Arguing with walls is a more enriching activity.


I agree.

Developing: It is possible to disagree with a liberal and not be a Republican

[kNicKz]

Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it
So you're going to compare total stats with countries that have different population amounts?

:roll:

Retarded sheep :roll:

*peace*

[millwad]

Yeah, I'm a redneck because I believe in personal responsibility and don't blame inanimate objects for my country's problems :rolleyes:

You're just a fat loser. Go to the gym and get off ISH, it'll take your mind off hating a country you'll never be a citizen of.

It's not your fault, you're mentally challenged and yes, you're a redneck and white trash. I've read your posts, you're an idiot.

And the personal responsibility garbage is so out of date, apparantly americans can't live up to it. Your argument is just so stupid, when people show time and time that they can't live up to the responsibility that is needed to own a gun you change the laws, you don't hand out even more guns to "solve" the problem.

We have a 5 year old that shot his sister with a rifle "made for youths" and you're still defending the gun laws. You're the typical redneck who's afraid of everything and feel the need to protect yourself with a gun, you're the typical moron.

The american society is not any safer with guns, the british society is not a very safe one.

In 2010 58 people got killed by guns, in the US the same year 8775 people got killed by guns. Yeah, the Britain's population is 1/5 of the US but with simple math it would mean that 3095 americans would get killed that same year if they would have the same amount of population.

You're a joke for defending this nonsense and cute attacks, they are so valid and I guess that you would easily fit right in with the swedish youth national team and the swedish pro basketball league.

I mean, it would be easy to clown you for the fact that you're soon bald and that you have manboobs but I won't go there. Only the fact that I owned you to that extent that you had to come up with lame punchlines says the most about how clueless and white trash you really are.

[bmulls]

It's not your fault, you're mentally challenged and yes, you're a redneck and white trash. I've read your posts, you're an idiot.

And the personal responsibility garbage is so out of date, apparantly americans can't live up to it. Your argument is just so stupid, when people show time and time that they can't live up to the responsibility that is needed to own a gun you change the laws, you don't hand out even more guns to "solve" the problem.

We have a 5 year old that shot his sister with a rifle "made for youths" and you're still defending the gun laws. You're the typical redneck who's afraid of everything and feel the need to protect yourself with a gun, you're the typical moron.

The american society is not any safer with guns, the british society is not a very safe one.

In 2010 58 people got killed by guns, in the US the same year 8775 people got killed by guns. Yeah, the Britain's population is 1/5 of the US but with simple math it would mean that 3095 americans would get killed that same year if they would have the same amount of population.

You're a joke for defending this nonsense and cute attacks, they are so valid and I guess that you would easily fit right in with the swedish youth national team and the swedish pro basketball league.

I mean, it would be easy to clown you for the fact that you're soon bald and that you have manboobs but I won't go there. Only the fact that I owned you to that extent that you had to come up with lame punchlines says the most about how clueless and white trash you really are.

:roll: :roll: :roll: you changed your picture.

[millwad]

:roll: :roll: :roll: you changed your picture.

Yeah, and I went from black to white.
My previous pic was of "LosBulls" and my current one is of "9512".
Fact still remains that you have no arguments and this immature reply was the only one you could come up with.

[bmulls]

Yeah, and I went from black to white.
My previous pic was of "LosBulls" and my current one is of "9512".
Fact still remains that you have no arguments and this immature reply was the only one you could come up with.

I'm not even going to waste my time. The Senate rejected every single provision of the gun control ban. Whiny liberals can keep whining and you can keep hating from 2000 miles away. Neither is going to make a bit of difference. Stay mad.

[D-Rose]

I'm not even going to waste my time. The Senate rejected every single provision of the gun control ban. Whiny liberals can keep whining and you can keep hating from 2000 miles away. Neither is going to make a bit of difference. Stay mad.
I won't relate this to any gun control measures or laws or anything...just will say that people are so incredibly stupid to buy a rifle for a 5 year old. :facepalm

[millwad]

I'm not even going to waste my time. The Senate rejected every single provision of the gun control ban. Whiny liberals can keep whining and you can keep hating from 2000 miles away. Neither is going to make a bit of difference. Stay mad.

Because you're an idiot, you have no arguments and the only thing you used as an argument was "you're fat". You're the typical white trash redneck.

The sad part is that you think that I'm mad, I just get dumbfounded by people like you. People are dying in horrific ways just because the likes of you feel the need to carry guns because it's your "right", seriously, you guys are messed up.

And again, Canada is full of guns, yet they are no where close to killing each other with guns at the same rate as americans. You talk about responsibility, americans are obviously not responsible enough to carry guns, easy as that.

[bmulls]

I won't relate this to any gun control measures or laws or anything...just will say that people are so incredibly stupid to buy a rifle for a 5 year old. :facepalm

I agree. The parents should be charged with manslaughter or something similar.

[miller-time]

I agree. The parents should be charged with manslaughter or something similar.

How old do you think people should be before they can use and/or own a gun? Under supervision and on their own?

[bmulls]

How old do you think people should be before they can use and/or own a gun? Under supervision and on their own?

Under supervision? Any age. To own and use unsupervised, 18.

[brantonli]

Better get those thousands of responsible families now


If it can help prevent more accidents like this, why would you say no? Do we value rights over life?



So you're going to compare total stats with countries that have different population amounts?

:roll:

Retarded sheep :roll:

*peace*

He quotes rates, not aggregate totals. If he had done the latter, you do have a point. Although 8 times as high seems too high to me tbh.

[Balla_Status]

The gun culture in the US is horrible, beyond horrible.
Something is very wrong in the US, I was in Texas for a couple of months as an exchange student and I was honestly scared over the gun situation.

The shit doesn't protect anyone really, compare the murder rates in the US with fire arms and compare it to Canada, it's laughable. And there are many guns in Canada as well but it's obviously the cultural thing with guns in the US and the paranoida that runs through the society.

I saw "Bowling for Columbine" yesterday for the second time and the first time I saw it, it it really didn't hit me but this time it did big time since I've experienced the american culture due the fact that I just got back from the US.

Moore mentions the media as a big part in the paranoia and it's so true, you can't turn the TV on without hearing about dangerous blacks and hispanic people and there's so much focus on crimes in media.

Holy shit dude. You really need to relax. Scared? :roll: I lived in Texas my whole life and I was never scared at all.

Plenty of children have been taught how to safely use a gun under parental supervision. Why do you idiots think passing laws will guarantee anything?

It's ok for a five year old to shoot a gun under parental supervision but he shouldn't have been "playing around" with a gun.

[Balla_Status]

If it can help prevent more accidents like this, why would you say no? Do we value rights over life?




He quotes rates, not aggregate totals. If he had done the latter, you do have a point. Although 8 times as high seems too high to me tbh.

Make cars illegal. Make fast food illegal. Make cigarettes illegal. etc. etc.

[andgar923]

Under supervision? Any age. To own and use unsupervised, 18.

Sorry, but this is ridiculous.

We have laws that prevent drivers under a certain age from driving, from drinking, because it's dangerous (along with other reasons).

Why should a child regardless of whether they're supervised or not be allowed to use a gun?

Don't know about you, but I wouldn't let a 10 year old (let alone a 5 year old) use a gun anywhere around me.

[Balla_Status]

Sorry, but this is ridiculous.

We have laws that prevent drivers under a certain age from driving, from drinking, because it's dangerous (along with other reasons).

Why should a child regardless of whether they're supervised or not be allowed to use a gun?

Don't know about you, but I wouldn't let a 10 year old (let alone a 5 year old) use a gun anywhere around me.

Because they then learn how to respect guns and how to properly use them.

[Rasheed1]

Just like Cenk said....


American culture has a really bad sickness when it comes to guns.. people are getting blown away at an amazing clip (no pun) and yet we still have idiots trying to defend this sh*t

there is no way in hell there should be anyone in this thread arguing over whether a f*ckin 5 yr old should have any access to a gun AT ALL..

just shows how stupid some muthaf*ckers are in this country :facepalm

[bmulls]

Because they then learn how to respect guns and how to properly use them.

Exactly. I remember when my dad first showed me how to shoot a fcking BB gun. He acted like it was the most serious shit ever. This is not a toy, never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire, etc. I grew up with a respect for guns, not a fear.

Kids need to be taught respect and responsibility, not fear.

[bmulls]

The posts above mine (not Balla Status) are examples of an irrational fear of guns.

[Kblaze8855]

The posts above mine (not Balla Status) are examples of an irrational fear of guns.


Its irrational to fear what cant harm you. There is nothing irrational about fearing poorly policed weapons capable of killing dozens of people at any given moment for no reason.

That said...

My dad let me fire a gun when I was a kid. We had BB guns. I was a boyscout shooting a bow and arrow(and I mean deadly ones...not kid shit). I had knives...hatchets. Whatever. Not all kids are the same just as all adults arent.

But....there is no good reason to produce guns for children. Too many things can go wrong.

Ive never felt the need to own a gun and ive never felt unsafe.

Few friends of mine do. Its pretty...whatever.

There is no reason at all not to check on anyone trying to get one though. Of my 3 close friends who have guns...2 of them have them illegally and one is a felon who bought it at the flea market.

Hes not a threat to me...but society isnt better for him being able to get a gun any time he wants. Dude was robbing mexicans a few years back...

[Rasheed1]

Exactly. I remember when my dad first showed me how to shoot a fcking BB gun. He acted like it was the most serious shit ever. This is not a toy, never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire, etc. I grew up with a respect for guns, not a fear.

Kids need to be taught respect and responsibility, not fear.


Well I guess we should supervise 5 yr olds and let them drink and also drive too so they learn to respect that too... :rolleyes:



The posts above mine (not Balla Status) are examples of an irrational fear of guns.

its actually common sense.. but I see you and hawker dont have much of that..


kids can wait a few years before you have them shooting guns... they wont have any less "respect" for it..

and it has nothing to do with infringing on people's right to own guns. Some Americans are just dumb asses and paranoid over their guns..

[Blue&Orange]

So you're going to compare total stats with countries that have different population amounts?

:roll:

Retarded sheep :roll:

*peace*
death rate


death rate refers to the number of deaths over a given period divided by the person-years lived by the population over that period. It is expressed as number of deaths per 1,000 population.

I'm not even going to insult you.

[bmulls]

Well I guess we should supervise 5 yr olds and let them drink and also drive too so they learn to respect that too... :rolleyes:


its actually common sense.. but I see you and hawker dont have much of that..


kids can wait a few years before you have them shooting guns... they wont have any less "respect" for it..

and it has nothing to do with infringing on people's right to own guns. Some Americans are just dumb asses and paranoid over their guns..

Dude, kids can drown in swimming pools too. They can suffocate in plastic bags. They can get hit by cars, fall out of apartment windows, drink bleach. There are a million ways kids can (and do) die with household objects. We don't ban these things because parents are expected to teach their kids the dangers of these items.

This is why your fear of guns is irrational.

[Blue&Orange]

If it can help prevent more accidents like this, why would you say no? Do we value rights over life?

You can only wish that each and everyone of this gun loving idiots that are ok with thousands of people dying because they have their "rights", would lost everyone they love by the misuse of a gun.

[Blue&Orange]

Dude, kids can drown in swimming pools too. They can suffocate in plastic bags. They can get hit by cars, fall out of apartment windows, drink bleach. There are a million ways kids can (and do) die with household objects. We don't ban these things because parents are expected to teach their kids the dangers of these items.

This is why your fear of guns is irrational.
lol this dumbass calling someone else irrational after comparing swimming pools and plastic bags to guns. :lol

:roll:

[Rasheed1]

Dude, kids can drown in swimming pools too. They can suffocate in plastic bags. They can get hit by cars, fall out of apartment windows, drink bleach. There are a million ways kids can (and do) die with household objects. We don't ban these things because parents are expected to teach their kids the dangers of these items.


the only difference is that guns are specifically designed to kill things. they only have one purpose... you don't swim in a gun... you cant clean your clothes with guns.. they dont have any other practical purpose but killing..

So lets give a 5 yr old a gun so he can blow his sister's head off instead of waiting until the kid is older...


This is why your fear of guns is irrational.

:facepalm part of 'respecting' guns is understanding that they do not belong in the hands of children..

that makes what Im saying very rational...

[Balla_Status]

the only difference is that guns are specifically designed to kill things. they only have one purpose... you don't swim in a gun... you cant clean your clothes with guns.. they dont have any other practical purpose but killing..

So lets give a 5 yr old a gun so he can blow his sister's head off instead of waiting until the kid is older...



:facepalm part of 'respecting' guns is understanding that they do not belong in the hands of children..

that makes what Im saying very rational...

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0801/play_g_olypistol_576.jpg

http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/824355324_1363436874.jpg

Didn't know killing people was an olympic sport...

[tpols]

Dude, kids can drown in swimming pools too. They can suffocate in plastic bags. They can get hit by cars, fall out of apartment windows, drink bleach. There are a million ways kids can (and do) die with household objects. We don't ban these things because parents are expected to teach their kids the dangers of these items.

This is why your fear of guns is irrational.
Is your argument really that since kids can die from literally anything that guns shouldn't be targeted for potential recklessness ? Such a dumb argument..

You're deflecting the problem.

[bmulls]

the only difference is that guns are specifically designed to kill things. they only have one purpose... you don't swim in a gun... you cant clean your clothes with guns.. they dont have any other practical purpose but killing..

So lets give a 5 yr old a gun so he can blow his sister's head off instead of waiting until the kid is older...

:facepalm part of 'respecting' guns is understanding that they do not belong in the hands of children..

that makes what Im saying very rational...

Just plain false. There's no point in debating you if you're just going to lie or make shit up. You can target shoot with guns. 99% of the bullets fired every year are fired at paper targets. Target shooting is an Olympic sport. People use guns for recreation MUCH more often than they use them for killing (including hunting).

The fact that some stupid parents let their kid have unrestricted access to a gun does not mean we need more fcking laws that punish the millions of the responsible parents.

It's pathetic and embarrassing how you want the government to control every aspect of your life, and the fact that you're proud of it is even sadder.

[bmulls]

Is your argument really that since kids can die from literally anything that guns shouldn't be targeted for potential recklessness ? Such a dumb argument..

You're deflecting the problem.

No, I already said the parents are stupid and should be charged with manslaughter.

My response was to the people saying kids shouldn't be allowed to use guns even when supervised by their parents. My point was that is just like saying kids shouldn't be allowed to swim even with supervision. I wouldn't let a 5 year old kid use a swimming pool by himself, but there's no problem teaching a kid to swim with adults around. Same thing with guns, yet people have this irrational fear of them. They try to use an isolated incident like this and then demand more fcking laws when there are millions of parents who teach their children responsibility every day.

[Kblaze8855]

It's pathetic and embarrassing how you want the government to control every aspect of your life, and the fact that you're proud of it is even sadder.



How is limiting access to say...land mines, hand grenades, or weaponized chemical agents more controlling than not letting a guy have a weapon that could kill 50 people in moments?

Or do you think limiting all weapons is too much control?

Where do you draw the line?

I could kill more people with a gun than I could with one standard hand grenade. You ok with me getting a few no questions asked? You take my word that im not crazy just because you have no proof I am?

What makes keeping me from getting a single use hand grenade reasonable but not a gun I could kill 30 people with in moments?

[Rasheed1]

Just plain false. There's no point in debating you if you're just going to lie or make shit up. You can target shoot with guns. 99% of the bullets fired every year are fired at paper targets. Target shooting is an Olympic sport. People use guns for recreation MUCH more often than they use them for killing (including hunting).

you just said guns arent toys... How are they used for recreation then? your story isnt adding up...

either they are dangerous and need to be respected or they are for recreation and not harmful... which one is it?


The fact that some stupid parents let their kid have unrestricted access to a gun does not mean we need more fcking laws that punish the millions of the responsible parents.



newsflash>>>>> You are not a responsible parent if you give your 5 yr old a gun...

Like I said, if that is the case? then "responsible parents" should be able to let their kids drink and drive also.. :confusedshrug: makes about as much sense as giving a toddler a friggin rifle





It's pathetic and embarrassing how you want the government to control every aspect of your life, and the fact that you're proud of it is even sadder.


Oh cut it out... that whole "nanny state" argument is a copout.. You said yourself earlier that a gun is not a toy right?

well if it is not a toy? why give it to a 5 yr old?

you said yourself that kids suffocate themselves, and drown in swimming pools.... all types fo sh*t right???

So if a child is dumb enough to put a plastic bag over his own head and suffocate himself? how is it a good idea to trust him with a gun? It doesnt make any sense

a kid with a gun could shoot someone else's kid ..... didnt a kid recently shoot a grown ass woman?

you need a much better argument pal...

[bmulls]

How is limiting access to say...land mines, hand grenades, or weaponized chemical agents more controlling than not letting a guy have a weapon that could kill 50 people in moments?

Or do you think limiting all weapons is too much control?

Where do you draw the line?

I could kill more people with a gun than I could with one standard hand grenade. You ok with me getting a few no questions asked? You take my word that im not crazy just because you have no proof I am?

What makes keeping me from getting a single use hand grenade reasonable but not a gun I could kill 30 people with in moments?

I guess I draw the line at what can be reasonably used for self defense. You can not use a grenade, rocket launcher, chemical weapons or a nuke for self defense without risking serious collateral damage and killing innocent people.

[Rasheed1]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0801/play_g_olypistol_576.jpg

http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/824355324_1363436874.jpg

Didn't know killing people was an olympic sport...


I dont see any 5 yr olds or children in those pics hawker...

no one is talking about banning guns outright... we are saying that regulations on gun use is very reasonable, but some americans (you and bmulls) seem to object to any common sense ideas on how to curb some of the senseless things that get people killed due to guns..

[bmulls]

you just said guns arent toys... How are they used for recreation then? your story isnt adding up...

either they are dangerous and need to be respected or they are for recreation and not harmful... which one is it?

newsflash>>>>> You are not a responsible parent if you give your 5 yr old a gun...

Like I said, if that is the case? then "responsible parents" should be able to let their kids drink and drive also.. :confusedshrug: makes about as much sense as giving a toddler a friggin rifle







Oh cut it out... that whole "nanny state" argument is a copout.. You said yourself earlier that a gun is not a toy right?

well if it is not a toy? why give it to a 5 yr old?

you said yourself that kids suffocate themselves, and drown in swimming pools.... all types fo sh*t right???

So if a child is dumb enough to put a plastic bag over his own head and suffocate himself? how is it a good idea to trust him with a gun? It doesnt make any sense

a kid with a gun could shoot someone else's kid ..... didnt a kid recently shoot a grown ass woman?

you need a much better argument pal...

A gun is not a toy, this has nothing to do with the fact that they can be used for target shooting. You're a fcking clown and your bullshit doesn't even deserve a response. I'm done with you, I'll respond to the non retarded posters instead.

[Rasheed1]

A gun is not a toy, this has nothing to do with the fact that they can be used for target shooting. You're a fcking clown and your bullshit doesn't even deserve a response. I'm done with you, I'll respond to the non retarded posters instead.


:roll:everyone is clowning your responses, but Im the bad guy?... you're just mad because you dont make any sense and you are tripping over your own BS

you are the one who brought up target practice and recreation... now you say it has nothing to do with target shooting...

Im asking you to make some sense for a change....

Is it a toy? You say no...

So Im asking you, why in the hell would you trust a kid with a gun if it isnt a toy?

You say kids die from all types of dumb sh*t, and so Im asking you how in the hell does that make it MORE logical to give a child a gun?

[kNicKz]

How is limiting access to say...land mines, hand grenades, or weaponized chemical agents more controlling than not letting a guy have a weapon that could kill 50 people in moments?

Or do you think limiting all weapons is too much control?

Where do you draw the line?

I could kill more people with a gun than I could with one standard hand grenade. You ok with me getting a few no questions asked? You take my word that im not crazy just because you have no proof I am?

What makes keeping me from getting a single use hand grenade reasonable but not a gun I could kill 30 people with in moments?

Why are you nitpicking his post? It clearly states in his post that guns are used for sport in the olympics. Grenades and landmines aren't. Therefore they are not available.

Am i missing something?

[kNicKz]

Do we value rights over life?



Yes.

Benjamin Franklin:

People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

[kNicKz]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33571249.jpg

[kNicKz]

death rate



I'm not even going to insult you.

Cool story bro. I forgot that the countries you're comparing America to have the exact same size, population density, and geography. Thank you for enlightening me. rate stats are bs when you are comparing apples and oranges.

*ignores london violent crime rate in debate LOL*

[Rubio2Gasol]

NRA releases statement:

"The 2 year old should have had a gun of her own to protect herself"

[Kblaze8855]

I guess I draw the line at what can be reasonably used for self defense. You can not use a grenade, rocket launcher, chemical weapons or a nuke for self defense without risking serious collateral damage and killing innocent people.

I could use an awful lot of illegal weapons for self defense. Just depends on the situation.

For example...

Im guessing if I install a gang of land mines around my house with signs saying they are there....the government arrests me(carefully no doubt)...you are on my side?

Is a land mine on my own property not defending said property?

I have signs.

Anyone hurt is likely at fault. Either they didnt read or they were violating my posted signs.

Is a land mine ok for self defense?

Military style heavy duty machine guns?

You cool with me owning anything that doesnt blow up?

[boozehound]

wait... you don't live in America?

http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Son, go back to stalking theoo.....you don't even know what a redneck is...
he was a student at Texas A&M which has the highest % of rednecks at a uni in the world. Trust me on this one

[Rasheed1]

NRA releases statement:

"The 2 year old should have had a gun of her own to protect herself"


:applause: that seems over like a joke and over the top? well check this out..

[quote]

[Rasheed1]

You're lucky you didn't say this to his face, he'd choke your punk ass out, bro.


he'd wind up in the ICU with a broken jaw if he even tried :cheers:

[kNicKz]

he was a student at Texas A&M

Nevermind. Millwad....there is a lot to America that you have not seen. I'm sorry that you were at Texas A&M

[boozehound]

Why are you nitpicking his post? It clearly states in his post that guns are used for sport in the olympics. Grenades and landmines aren't. Therefore they are not available.

Am i missing something?
wtf do the olympics have to do with the 2nd amendment? Its a legit point. Our right to keep and bear arms is already infringed. There is no constitutional difference between the US govt restricting access to machine guns (or tanks or grenades, etc) and assault weapons (or other currently legal guns). Either the 2nd amendment peeps need to argue that the feds have no right to limit any arms or they have to admit that it is constitutional for the feds to set limits on the types of arms allowed, whatever that may be.

[MAC system]

Cool story bro. I forgot that the countries you're comparing America to have the exact same size, population density, and geography. Thank you for enlightening me. rate stats are bs when you are comparing apples and oranges.

*ignores london violent crime rate in debate LOL*
These morons forget when comparing America to these other counties that they don't have nearly as many minorities as America. They also don't have shithole mexico next to them to bring in more poverty, violence and drugs because the moron obama won't do shit about the border and illegal immigration.

[kNicKz]

These morons forget when comparing America to these other counties that they don't have nearly as many minorities as America. They also don't have shithole mexico next to them to bring in more poverty, violence and drugs because the moron obama won't do shit about the border and illegal immigration.

Then they fail to talk about how the areas with the most gun control (chicago) are what is making the rate so high :roll:

[Blue&Orange]

Cool story bro. I forgot that the countries you're comparing America to have the exact same size, population density, and geography. Thank you for enlightening me. rate stats are bs when you are comparing apples and oranges.

*ignores london violent crime rate in debate LOL*
u can't be this dumb? can u? :facepalm

Well you didn't even knew what death rate was, so yeah u are dumb :lol


Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it
According to this Einstein, this is apples to oranges because geography is different, you know mountains and rivers are different, not comparable. :lol

wow you really want to take the crown for most retarded on this thread from bmulls.

I wonder why you rednecks keep saying US is the best country in the world, it's apple to oranges comparison, no other country have the exact same size :roll:



It's simple as this, and it's pretty obvious on this thread, intelligent people want gun restrictions, really dumb people don't.

[bmulls]

u can't be this dumb? can u? :facepalm

Well you didn't even knew what death rate was, so yeah u are dumb :lol


According to this Einstein, this is apples to oranges because geography is different, you know mountains and rivers are different, not comparable. :lol

wow you really want to take the crown for most retarded on this thread from bmulls.

I wonder why you rednecks keep saying US is the best country in the world, it's apple to oranges comparison, no other country have the same size :roll:



It's simple as this, and it's pretty obvious on this thread, intelligent people want gun restrictions, really dumb people don't.

Intelligent? Do you even have a college degree?

[millwad]

Holy shit dude. You really need to relax. Scared? :roll: I lived in Texas my whole life and I was never scared at all.

Plenty of children have been taught how to safely use a gun under parental supervision. Why do you idiots think passing laws will guarantee anything?

It's ok for a five year old to shoot a gun under parental supervision but he shouldn't have been "playing around" with a gun.

You are mentally challenged and not worthy a reply but I'll do it anyway.

You logic fails completely and scared isn't really the right world, uncomfortable is a much better fitting word.

So me feeling uncomfortable is crazy and I'm an idiot but rednecks like fail to see the bigger picture. I'm not the one who's so paranoid that I feel the need to protect myself with a gun, people like you are.. :facepalm

[bmulls]

I could use an awful lot of illegal weapons for self defense. Just depends on the situation.

For example...

Im guessing if I install a gang of land mines around my house with signs saying they are there....the government arrests me(carefully no doubt)...you are on my side?

Is a land mine on my own property not defending said property?

I have signs.

Anyone hurt is likely at fault. Either they didnt read or they were violating my posted signs.

Is a land mine ok for self defense?

Military style heavy duty machine guns?

You cool with me owning anything that doesnt blow up?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney

This is a famous court case that is taught in most entry level tort law courses. It will explain why "booby traps" like landmines are unlawful. The gist is that we as a society value life over mere property. If you are home, you are justified in shooting an intruder. You are not justified in booby trapping your house.

As far as machine guns, I'm not sure if you were aware or not, but there are already a quarter million legally owned machine guns in the United States. That's 240,000 fully automatic machine guns owned by civilians. Now don't shit your government loving pants just yet. As of 1995, there were a grand total of TWO murders committed with machine guns since 1934. Two murders in nearly 80 years.

edit for source:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

[millwad]

Intelligent? Do you even have a college degree?

Intelligence has nothing to do with a college degree, you're the best example of that. You are mentally challenged and a redneck and I guess that you have a college degree so you're basically the perfect example.

[Kblaze8855]

It has nothing to do with rights to begin with.

People respect rights as far as thye want to. I bet much of the country wouldnt want to respect a terrorists right to remain silent. I wouldnt. If dude in Boston knew where a huge terror cell was hiding...and we knew he knew..like...we had his cell phone video footage of being there with them planning future attacks..id want it beaten out of him. **** his rights.

If one of those insane church types forever talking about dead soldiers being the wrath of god pickets a funeral of my family....id feel in the right if I go beat his ass. Forget what he has a right to say.

And to an extent thats how it works. You cant incite a riot...cant yell bomb at the airport....cant threaten to murder the president at the gate of the whitehouse.

There is a LOT you arent free to say.

But thats cool....because its about safety.

Given time the second will go the way of the first...protected as much as makes sense given the times.

[bmulls]

Intelligence has nothing to do with a college degree, you're the best example of that. You are mentally challenged and a redneck and I guess that you have a college degree so you're basically the perfect example.

I'm unintelligent because I disagree with you, is that how it works?

You're creepy as fck stealing peoples pictures dude, get a life.

[Overdrive]

These morons forget when comparing America to these other counties that they don't have nearly as many minorities as America. They also don't have shithole mexico next to them to bring in more poverty, violence and drugs because the moron obama won't do shit about the border and illegal immigration.

Right south of my country one if not the most brutal war/conflict since WWII took place. Many people immigrated including war criminals. Still nobody felt the need to change laws to liberal gun use, because they felt threatened.

I cannot believe that some people try to defend gun use by children. It's high risk and no reward.

The guns are inanimate objects that don't kill people argument is the weirdest though. How come(especially accidents where children kill others) nobody gets killed by stuffed animals?

The purpose of the gun is to put a projectile with high speed into an object, there's no other purpose, so you can't compare it to car accidents either, because their purpose is not to run over people. Scientists are working on guided traffic system that would prevent accidents.

If scientists would try to invent a system for guns so they can't kill people anymore it would render them useless. Shooting for recreational purposes is a sideeffect of the military industry and not the other way round.

[Kblaze8855]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney

This is a famous court case that is taught in most entry level tort law courses. It will explain why "booby traps" like landmines are unlawful. The gist is that we as a society value life over mere property. If you are home, you are justified in shooting an intruder. You are not justified in booby trapping your house.

As far as machine guns, I'm not sure if you were aware or not, but there are already a quarter million legally owned machine guns in the United States. That's 240,000 fully automatic machine guns owned by civilians. Now don't shit your government loving pants just yet. As of 1995, there were a grand total of TWO murders committed with machine guns since 1934. Two murders in nearly 80 years.

edit for source:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html


I asked you. Not a court case from long ago. I know its illegal. Thats the point. Im asking you if its self defense to booty trap your own home against intruders. I...dont even think its wrong to say it is. I just want to know what you think.


And ill ask again...you know know me...you cool with me having anything that wont blow up...because you dont know that im insane?

I can go get guns 3 miles from my house no questions asked. So can my felon friend who did just that.

Cool?

[millwad]

Then they fail to talk about how the areas with the most gun control (chicago) are what is making the rate so high :roll:

Illinois is the only state in the US where nobody can legally carry a concealed weapon. So you mean that the gun control is actually why so many gets killed there? If everyone would be allowed to carry guns, would that make the situation better?

[kNicKz]

Then they fail to talk about how the areas with the most gun control (chicago) are what is making the rate so high :roll:

http://passionweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_lx8yn39YoP1qlbkes.gif

[kNicKz]

Illinois is the only state in the US where nobody can legally carry a concealed weapon. So you mean that the gun control is actually why so many gets killed there? If everyone would be allowed to carry guns, would that make the situation better?

The deaths would be the same with or without the law, making the law a waste of legislation and only harming people who actually obey the law and wouldn't shoot someone in the first place.

[bmulls]

It has nothing to do with rights to begin with.

People respect rights as far as thye want to. I bet much of the country wouldnt want to respect a terrorists right to remain silent. I wouldnt. If dude in Boston knew where a huge terror cell was hiding...and we knew he knew..like...we had his cell phone video footage of being there with them planning future attacks..id want it beaten out of him. **** his rights.

If one of those insane church types forever talking about dead soldiers being the wrath of god pickets a funeral of my family....id feel in the right if I go beat his ass. Forget what he has a right to say.

And to an extent thats how it works. You cant incite a riot...cant yell bomb at the airport....cant threaten to murder the president at the gate of the whitehouse.

There is a LOT you arent free to say.

But thats cool....because its about safety.

Given time the second will go the way of the first...protected as much as makes sense given the times.

As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution. The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.

I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.

Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts.

[millwad]

I'm unintelligent because I disagree with you, is that how it works?

You're creepy as fck stealing peoples pictures dude, get a life.

No, you're stupid because you don't have any arguments, your comeback to my long post about gun crimes in the US vs the UK was something like "you're fat".. :facepalm

[Overdrive]

Yes.

Benjamin Franklin:

Ironically one of the two most used arguments for guns is that you acquire a feeling of security it. The consequence of the wrong use of a gun though is taking away the freedom to live, which is the biggest freedom of all.

[kNicKz]

The consequence of the wrong use of a gun though is taking away the freedom to live, which is the biggest freedom of all.

We should take away the freedom to live then. This will solve the entire problem entirely! *liberal logic*

[bmulls]

No, you're stupid because you don't have any arguments, your comeback to my long post about gun crimes in the US vs the UK was something like "you're fat".. :facepalm

Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.

[kNicKz]

Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.

There are 100+ factors to weigh in

[Overdrive]

http://passionweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_lx8yn39YoP1qlbkes.gif

How come that countries(not cities) with laws that make it tougher for the average Joe to acquire guns of any kind have lower deathrates by firearms?

How come that the criminals, another favourite argument of the pro gun people, aren't armed like an private army in those countires either? How come criminals don't kill random people on the streets in those countries? How come there are nearly no school shootings in those countries? How come gang crimes in the urban areas of those countries mostly consist of drug dealing and related crimes, still with nearly no homicides?

Do you think in other countries people are genetically allergic to guns? Even the mobsters in europe don't kill as much. Most of the time the kill you financially and socially instead of a plain gunshooting.

[millwad]

The deaths would be the same with or without the law, making the law a waste of legislation and only harming people who actually obey the law and wouldn't shoot someone in the first place.

That's nonsense.

Do you actually believe that all the killings are a result from actions by criminals? In 2007 there was 613 fatal firearm accidents and obviously not all the shooting is a result from criminals doing bad activities.

[Overdrive]

We should take away the freedom to live then. This will solve the entire problem entirely! *liberal logic*

You dropped the quote that safety is acquired by the prize of freedom.
The gunhuggers argue that guns are bought for safety reasons.

I didn't say I want to take lives. I said the gun use takes them. I'm not the one buying guns. So why should I promote taking "the freedom of live then"?

[millwad]

he was a student at Texas A&M which has the highest % of rednecks at a uni in the world. Trust me on this one

Hey, dude.

Don't remember if it was you but some poster on ISH said the same thing when I asked some questions about A&M before I left and it was really true.

I had so much fun, I met wonderful people and I enjoyed my time there very much but you're so right. And what's bothering is to know that the rednecks there are actually the educated ones, I really don't want to meet the uneducated and ignorant ones..

I was with a couple of exchange students in Houston to watch the Rockets play on a friday if I recall correctly, after the game we went to a bar and a group of people started arguing over something and one yelled something about putting a bullet hole in someone and yeah, empty threats are common all over the world and nothing happened. I've heard people in Sweden say that they're gonna kill each other plenty of times as well but considering how easy it's to get a gun in Houston and in Texas it makes it all much more disturbing to think that an unstable person who's trigger happy can end someone's life over the most stupid of arguments.

[Kblaze8855]

As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution.


And like the rest of us...his rights bend to fit public safety. Which is why he cant arm himself with any weapon he can and why you wouldnt get awat with saying everything that goes through your head when a beautiful woman walks by you at work.


Rights generally end where people get hurt. Sometimes its not even physical injury.




The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.



Opinions...yes.


One is yelling that your daughter was killed by god over gays getting married...I suspect your opinion evolves when your wife starts crying.


Rights dont make you correct. And not all of them should be protected. There really is right and wrong to consider here.




I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.






Lets not go into the founding fathers. Most americans couldnt tell you the first thing about John Adams but they will pull that phrase out of their ass to no end.


So many guys talking about slave owning champions of freedom without even knowing how divided they were on issues all of them seem to be remembered to support.




Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts


Everybody? Meaning the half the country the decides its opinions on all matters because of the letter next to the name of who they vote for...as opposed to the other half doing the same?


Its not looking like you are the majority. Most social issues will go the way of "liberals" given time. You must see that....



Gay marriage, gun control...whatever. Its mostly old white guys keeping the fight alive. It cant go on forever.


90% of the country can only be defeated by the senate for so long.

[Overdrive]

As long as a terrorist is a citizen of the United States he is guaranteed the rights afforded to him by the constitution. The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to whatever opinions they like, no matter how batshit crazy they are.

I respect these rights because, like our founding fathers, I don't trust mob rule.

Also, thanks for confirming what everybody already thinks, that liberals base their opinions on emotion rather than logic and facts.

Basically you're saying as long as it's legislated law you obey?

[Rasheed1]

The whole "infringing on my rights" argument is out of place as it pertains to this story...

the goddamnn country wont fall apart if we make it illegal to arm 5 yr olds.. We regulate objects that are much less dangerous than guns already...

[bdreason]

I don't think a kid should be allowed to handle a gun until he is capable of fully understanding the concept of death. I'm not sure at what age a child is typically capable of processing life and death choices, but my guess would be around the age of 12. It should probably be subjective, like the laws regarding kids being tried as adults for murder/rape/etc.

[DonDadda59]

made for youths gun? Da fuq? :confusedshrug:

[millwad]

Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.

You have a trouble reading, that's the problem here.

I've had this discussion with you before and demographics, population size, total crime rate, violent crime rate, poverty rate and other factors are obvious factors.

You're using everything as excuses, there are few countries that can be compared with the US when it comes to population size, demographis and such while still being a democratic and rich country.

It's impossible to make you understand deeper reasons when you can't even comprehend something as easy as the gun crime comparion between the US and the UK, you replied with a "you're fat"-comment.

You're not educated, you don't have any clear arguments, you have a clear agenda and I find your entry to this discussion to be bothering. You came up with excuses and insults towards me instead of actually discussing the subject and condemning it.

When I again tried to make you understand you replied with yet another bogus "you're fat" comment. You're an obvious redneck trashy person.

There's absolutely nothing that proves that guns make civilians more safe, all you are spamming about is your rights and how the law works. This is an extreme comparison but also a relevant one. In Saudi Arabia the law says that women can't vote and men have the right to marry 9 year old girls.

Just because there's a "right" and that you're referring to the actual law doesn't make it a valid thing in society and it doesn't justify it, in this case carrying a gun.

[Overdrive]

You're using everything as excuses, there are few countries that can be compared with the US when it comes to population size, demographis and such while still being a democratic and rich country.

It's impossible to make you understand deeper reasons when you can't even comprehend something as easy as the gun crime comparion between the US and the UK, you replied with a "you're fat"-comment.


The european union is basically comparable, atleast the Schengenzone.

[millwad]

The european union is basically comparable, atleast the Schengenzone.

Some what, yes, but he's going to spam about too many factors and say that it's not a valid comparison because he will never accept what kind of stupidity guns are to start with.

[StocktonFan]

Parents fault, not the guns or the kids.

[MAC system]

Right south of my country one if not the most brutal war/conflict since WWII took place. Many people immigrated including war criminals. Still nobody felt the need to change laws to liberal gun use, because they felt threatened.

I cannot believe that some people try to defend gun use by children. It's high risk and no reward.

The guns are inanimate objects that don't kill people argument is the weirdest though. How come(especially accidents where children kill others) nobody gets killed by stuffed animals?

The purpose of the gun is to put a projectile with high speed into an object, there's no other purpose, so you can't compare it to car accidents either, because their purpose is not to run over people. Scientists are working on guided traffic system that would prevent accidents.

If scientists would try to invent a system for guns so they can't kill people anymore it would render them useless. Shooting for recreational purposes is a sideeffect of the military industry and not the other way round.
What country are you from?

My point was merely that these anti gun people parade around these facts that should have absolutely no impact on gun control in America. Comparing America to the ****ing UK? A damn island with a tiny black and hispanic presence. Are you that dumb people? To canada where they lock up theide borders to make sure our trash doesn't spill over onto their lawn? So many dumb Democrats these days

[johndeeregreen]

The gun, again, isn't the issue. Retard parents who give their kids a rifle and don't monitor its whereabouts are.

5 years old is definitely too young to be letting a kid play with guns, supervised or otherwise. This is the exact same story as the deputy's kid that killed his mom or whatever the hell it was; just stupid, stupid, STUPID f*cking people with no concept of proper gun safety or storage having their mitts on these things.

In Canada you gotta complete an 8-hour course and/or challenge a written and practical test to get your PAL. After that you can buy guns and ammo to your heart's content. You're an idiot who can't pass the test? No guns for you.

These types of stories NEVER surface up here. Is it because our citizens are forced to actually LEARN something about gun safety/storage/transport before we're allowed to get our hands on them? Maybe, I don't know, but being able to walk into a store with no concept of how a gun works or the proper way to handle/store it and being able to walk out armed is just f*cking crazy.

[MAC system]

How come that countries(not cities) with laws that make it tougher for the average Joe to acquire guns of any kind have lower deathrates by firearms?

How come that the criminals, another favourite argument of the pro gun people, aren't armed like an private army in those countires either? How come criminals don't kill random people on the streets in those countries? How come there are nearly no school shootings in those countries? How come gang crimes in the urban areas of those countries mostly consist of drug dealing and related crimes, still with nearly no homicides?

Do you think in other countries people are genetically allergic to guns? Even the mobsters in europe don't kill as much. Most of the time the kill you financially and socially instead of a plain gunshooting.
What Switzerlands deat rate due to guns?

[MAC system]

The gun, again, isn't the issue. Retard parents who give their kids a rifle and don't monitor its whereabouts are.


In Canada you gotta complete an 8-hour course and/or challenge a written and practical test to get your PAL. After that you can buy guns and ammo to your heart's content. You're an idiot who can't pass the test? No guns for you.

These types of stories NEVER surface up here. Is it because our citizens are forced to actually LEARN something about gun safety/storage/transport before we're allowed to get our hands on them? Maybe, I don't know, but being able to walk into a store with no concept of how a gun works or the proper way to handle/store it and being able to walk out armed is just f*cking crazy.
First you nailed it exactly. Second I never knew that about canada, but that is exactly how laws should be here as well.

[Zan Tabak]

Fvckin tragic!

I'm not going to go on some rant about gun control, just gonna say the parents should be put in jail.

[DonDadda59]

The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg

http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_51/crickett630-top.jpg

http://www.hausofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Photo-May-13-4-20-14-PM-224x300.jpg

Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.

[miller-time]

http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg

"Give Me the Boy Until the Age of Seven, I Will Give You the Man."

[StocktonFan]

Even strict gun laws would not prevent this.... end of story. Dumb parents.

[Replay32]

This story is really sad.

Violence in video games is ruining the youth and making society more violent. But it's ok for parents to put a "REAL" gun in their kids hands to go hunting. You want to talk about ass backwards thinking. :facepalm

[DukeDelonte13]

i think parental negligence is to blame for a lot of school shootings as well; but i think that american gun culture is an embarrassment.

[tpols]

The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg

http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_51/crickett630-top.jpg

http://www.hausofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Photo-May-13-4-20-14-PM-224x300.jpg

Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.
Is that..a baby?!:biggums:

Christ:facepalm

[ballup]

You know what would be even more surprising? If the parents did not let the kids near knives of any sort.

[brantonli]

What country are you from?

My point was merely that these anti gun people parade around these facts that should have absolutely no impact on gun control in America. Comparing America to the ****ing UK? A damn island with a tiny black and hispanic presence. Are you that dumb people? To canada where they lock up theide borders to make sure our trash doesn't spill over onto their lawn? So many dumb Democrats these days

so essentially, since America is so damn unique, you can never compare ANY other country with America in terms of gun violence? Let me ask you, are there ANY places to which America is comparable to?


Your "amazing" argument is devoid of any context. You haven't accounted for demographics, population size, total crime rate, total violent crime rate, poverty rate and a million other factors that account for crime in societies.

The shit you post is something a 4th grader could dig up on google and submit for homework, and it's hilarious how clever you think you are. You have no appreciation for the complexity of the issue.

oh wow, this is an internet basketball forum, not a frickin dissertation for PhD students on gun violence. Also let's be honest here, you act like you'd actually be convinced by gun control side, when in reality, neither side is going to budge much, until public opinion reaches a tipping point because of individual news about gun deaths.


SMH, a gun for a 5 year old in the house? I've shot rifles before when I was 15, but it was in a very strict, controlled range, oh, and it happened to be in the UK!

[Breezy]

House fires, Improperly buckled Car seats, and bathtubs kill more kids each year than accidental gun deaths. The answer to this tragedy isn't banning guns, It's parents being responsible enough to keep firearms out of the hands those too immature to handle something like this. Unless you think Gas stoves, cars, and standing water should also be taken away.

If you are for gun control, then you're not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. You'll need to go around, pass laws, and shoot people who resist, kick in doors, and throw people in jail, and so on; rip up families, just to take away guns. So it's not that you're anti-gun, because you'll need the police's guns to take away other people's guns, so you're very pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is of course so reliable, honest, moral, virtuous, and forward-thinking) should be allowed to have guns. So there's no such thing as gun control, there's only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions. Gun control is a misnomer.

[InspiredLebowski]

We're all in agreement that an arms manufacturer that has a (since removed, shocker) "Kids Corner" page on their site that showcases pictures of literal toddlers holding .22s isn't a good thing, right? We're all in agreement that selling .22s with pretty, innocent pink stocks is a bad thing, right? 22s aren't ****ing Barbies, how can anyone back this company?

You want to play the "guns don't kill" card, fine. Then who does? Five year olds that are legitimately marketed to and whose parents BUY THEM A ****ING RIFLE? That's a responsible industry? Come the **** on. These are the morons we're dealing with. Anyone that supports this shit should feel immense shame.

But **** it right, cuz the gubmint. My little ragtag group of hilljacks that can't hit a deer from 30 yards is going to stop a takeover. Quit watching ****ing Rambo.

[Burgz V2]

if the baby had a gun blah blah blah

First of all, I dont object to people having guns, but what does a 5 year old need a gun for? That's a little bit ridiculous to me. But whatever, if that's the America you guys want, then you reap what you sow

[TheMan]

What country are you from?

My point was merely that these anti gun people parade around these facts that should have absolutely no impact on gun control in America. Comparing America to the ****ing UK? A damn island with a tiny black and hispanic presence. Are you that dumb people? To canada where they lock up theide borders to make sure our trash doesn't spill over onto their lawn? So many dumb Democrats these days
This is the second post where you imply that violence in America is all black and Mexicans' fault. Not only are you a racist piece of shit but also really really stupid.

Your posts in this are crap and not worth responding but I just couldn't let it go without calling you out on it.

[TheMan]

The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg

http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_51/crickett630-top.jpg

http://www.hausofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Photo-May-13-4-20-14-PM-224x300.jpg

Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.
Disgusting:facepalm

[MAC system]

This is the second post where you imply that violence in America is all black and Mexicans' fault. Not only are you a racist piece of shit but also really really stupid.

Your posts in this are crap and not worth responding but I just couldn't let it go without calling you out on it.
Racist? I'm half columbian a quarter brazillian and a quarter irish, I have no dog in this fight. Look at the stats on gun violence in the us. The majority is not that underweight 4chan loser that shoots up a school or movie theater, it's Hispanics and African Americans. Look at gun deaths and homicides in places where there is a small black or hispanic presence. Educate yourself before you call someone else stupid. If you think race and poverty don't play a heavy roll in gun violence, you're a ignorant as your post

[johndeeregreen]

We're all in agreement that an arms manufacturer that has a (since removed, shocker) "Kids Corner" page on their site that showcases pictures of literal toddlers holding .22s isn't a good thing, right? We're all in agreement that selling .22s with pretty, innocent pink stocks is a bad thing, right? 22s aren't ****ing Barbies, how can anyone back this company?
I totally agree.

But your outrage, while noble, is misdirected completely. Last time I checked 5 year olds can't buy guns. We are talking about retarded parents here. Parents who probably didn't need a ridiculous ad campaign to be convinced that hey, getting my kid a rifle is a great idea.

And even further to that, where is the outrage with these f*cking parents who leave LOADED FIREARMS UNSUPERVISED WITH THEIR KIDS? Are we serious here? You belittle gun enthusiasts with your snarky comments and yet don't say anything about the individuals who are actually responsible.

[TheMan]

Racist? I'm half columbian a quarter brazillian and a quarter irish, I have no dog in this fight. Look at the stats on gun violence in the us. The majority is not that underweight 4chan loser that shoots up a school or movie theater, it's Hispanics and African Americans. Look at gun deaths and homicides in places where there is a small black or hispanic presence. Educate yourself before you call someone else stupid. If you think race and poverty don't play a heavy roll in gun violence, you're a ignorant as your post
First, I doubt you're half columbian since it's spelled colombian but whatever. Second, the reason black and hispanic majority areas have a high gun death is because gangs are fighting for control of territory to push their drugs. It comes down to drugs and guns.

The fact that you imply that if the UK had a much larger Hispanic and black population their country would have more violent crime is pretty telling. You don't know that for a fact so STFU.

[Rasheed1]

Racist? I'm half columbian a quarter brazillian and a quarter irish, I have no dog in this fight. Look at the stats on gun violence in the us. The majority is not that underweight 4chan loser that shoots up a school or movie theater, it's Hispanics and African Americans. Look at gun deaths and homicides in places where there is a small black or hispanic presence. Educate yourself before you call someone else stupid. If you think race and poverty don't play a heavy roll in gun violence, you're a ignorant as your post



F*ckin idiot.... some new account for a bigot coward to hide behind

[Balla_Status]

Hey, dude.

Don't remember if it was you but some poster on ISH said the same thing when I asked some questions about A&M before I left and it was really true.

I had so much fun, I met wonderful people and I enjoyed my time there very much but you're so right. And what's bothering is to know that the rednecks there are actually the educated ones, I really don't want to meet the uneducated and ignorant ones..

I was with a couple of exchange students in Houston to watch the Rockets play on a friday if I recall correctly, after the game we went to a bar and a group of people started arguing over something and one yelled something about putting a bullet hole in someone and yeah, empty threats are common all over the world and nothing happened. I've heard people in Sweden say that they're gonna kill each other plenty of times as well but considering how easy it's to get a gun in Houston and in Texas it makes it all much more disturbing to think that an unstable person who's trigger happy can end someone's life over the most stupid of arguments.

It's funny that you call me mentally challenged but you buy into the stereotype and media picture of every Texan owning guns and pulling them out all the time.

And you call me the paranoid one? You went to Texas A&M. Yes, there are a lot of rednecks and yes they shoot guns but none of them are out to kill you and none of them are packing 24/7. The funny thing is that going there for a semester should have killed that stereotype for you. I own no guns. I have only shot guns once in my life and it didn't happen until I was 22. These rednecks are more than likely the ones that own guns legally and know how to use them. They are not the problem.

And guess what, people carrying guns stop crime on a regular basis. Google it. To act like is some fairy tale is false. Unless these gun control laws will guarantee my safety and stop anybody that will turn a gun on me, I consider them useless. They will not stop criminals from having a gun and if I follow the law to not carry a gun and someone turns one on me? I'm ****ed thanks to your bullshit gun law. So much for life over rights.

Not only that but you're emotionally invested in this forum. It's not a big deal to argue issues like gun control, war, israel etc but it's another to constantly be in these bicker wars with people like godzuki and various ISH members that have nothing to do with these issues. Just pure insults and shit. So it's funny you call me mentally challenged after that.

[Balla_Status]

The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg

http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_51/crickett630-top.jpg

http://www.hausofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Photo-May-13-4-20-14-PM-224x300.jpg

Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.

What exactly is disturbing about these photos? They're little kids safely using guns and shooting targets. Are you saying that they're going to grow up and become killing machines? Really? These people aren't the problem.

What do you think about this?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JHh8S78crCA/T2Ngd-7t_QI/AAAAAAAAAWo/dUoROjH5Te0/s400/child+soldiers.jpg

Now THAT'S disturbing. A little kid being brainwashed and actually killing human beings with a fully auto weapon.

[Balla_Status]

We're all in agreement that an arms manufacturer that has a (since removed, shocker) "Kids Corner" page on their site that showcases pictures of literal toddlers holding .22s isn't a good thing, right? We're all in agreement that selling .22s with pretty, innocent pink stocks is a bad thing, right? 22s aren't ****ing Barbies, how can anyone back this company?

You want to play the "guns don't kill" card, fine. Then who does? Five year olds that are legitimately marketed to and whose parents BUY THEM A ****ING RIFLE? That's a responsible industry? Come the **** on. These are the morons we're dealing with. Anyone that supports this shit should feel immense shame.

But **** it right, cuz the gubmint. My little ragtag group of hilljacks that can't hit a deer from 30 yards is going to stop a takeover. Quit watching ****ing Rambo.

It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg

[TheMan]

It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg
Funny how those kids were lefty peaceniks and they were killed by a right wing administration (Nixon).

Moral of the story...Republicans are evil!!

[Kblaze8855]

I honestly cant believe anyone still uses the "Take away fast food..." card. Its even worse than the "Horry has 7 rings so...hes better than Jordan right?" argument.

That any functional person could compare a person deciding to over eat for years and gradually getting health problems to a maniac busting in and shooting up a school is baffling.

One...you do to yourself. The other...youre minding your own business watching a movie and some loser with a mental problem walks in and kills your friends and has you ducking machine gun fire.

But by all means...lets ban food because its "dangerous" in the same way guns are.

Food and cars are people making decisions. Sometimes right...sometimes wrong. There are accidents you cant avoid. But really...comparing the need for people to get from point a to point b in a society expanding more and more out of central areas...to the need to shoot paper, kill animals not bothering anyone, and hold the queen of England at bay?

ITs absurd that those arguments are ever put forth.

The one..and I mean the one and only...reason to be anti gun control?

It wont actually stop criminals.

It will slow them.

But nothing stops them.

And laws only initially stop people who obey the law. It would briefly create a world where the only people with a load of unpoliced guns...are the people looking to use them against the law abiding.

Which is a problem. And a fair reason to be against keeping people who do follow the law from having less access.

If you could snap your finger and remove all guns its a no brainer. But you cant.

In the world we have...at least in America...gun control laws wont stop much of anything for 50 years. If not more. You could make it illegal to produce, sell, or own a gun and we would still have a hundred million+ just off people who wont give them up.

Its a problem of generations. But letting it get worse because its hard to solve is just childish. Its a kid not cleaning his room because its so dirty its gonna take a long time.

You gotta start somewhere.

Universal background checks is at least...the kid not throwing more on the floor. Is that too much to ask?

Try to avoid putting new half eaten plates on the floor?

[TheMan]

What exactly is disturbing about these photos? They're little kids safely using guns and shooting targets. Are you saying that they're going to grow up and become killing machines? Really? These people aren't the problem.

What do you think about this?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JHh8S78crCA/T2Ngd-7t_QI/AAAAAAAAAWo/dUoROjH5Te0/s400/child+soldiers.jpg

Now THAT'S disturbing. A little kid being brainwashed and actually killing human beings with a fully auto weapon.
Oh, so it goes like this...

little white kids with weapons = cute and fuzzy

little black kids with weapons = disturbing and scary

Gotcha!!

[Rasheed1]

It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg


this argument doesnt work...

you can have all the rifles and guns you want... You will never be able to stand up against the military..

havent you been paying attention to what our military does to people in other countries who fight back?

We crush people..


Didnt you see what happened to at Waco? what happened at Ruby Ridge?

those people got crushed... They drove a F*cking tank into Koresh's house and burned those people alive in there (some were children too).

I live in Philly and we had a militant group called MOVE. The police dropped f*cking bomb on their house and killed them. blew up a whole block of row homes in the process.. that happened in the 80s and that block still hasnt been totally fixed to this day

you are living in fantasy world if you believe you stand up to our military.. They'll drop a bomb on your head (or maybe a missile from a drone) and call you crazy and the public will believe them.

like someone said earlier.. "This aint Rambo" snap outta that fantasy world..

if you wanna fight back against the government? wont be able to get it done with violence. Our military has that angle covered, and they wouldnt hesitate to bury you if you challenge them.

[knickballer]

Oh, so it goes like this...

little white kids with weapons = cute and fuzzy

little black kids with weapons = disturbing and scary

Gotcha!!

Difference is the latter is a child soldier part of a military organization while the former is just some kids holding guns. I still don't promote the gun culture but they are HUGE differences. If you can't see the difference than I don't know

[Burgz V2]

It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg

We are talking about 5 year olds. What principles are you talking about? "Here's a rifle son, if those military people shoot at you, you better start blasting"
Why would the military be shooting at a 5 year old?
Context is everything, and in this case, there is nothing that justifies giving a rifle to a child. Period.

[johndeeregreen]

Funny how those kids were lefty peaceniks and they were killed by a right wing administration (Nixon).

Moral of the story...Republicans are evil!!
You remember that prior to the shooting, these "lefty peaceniks" did the following:

- breaking into stores/vandalizing property
- looting
- burning down university buildings

Now before your pea brain jumps to "So you're saying they deserved to be shot?!?" that's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is the f*cking National Guard wasn't called in because students were minding their own business and/or peacefully assembling. So let's cut that act out right now.

And Hawker, if those students had been armed, it would have been an absolute massacre. A hell of a lot more than four dead. Man what a dark time in American history the late 60s/early 70s was. F*cking turmoil.

[Balla_Status]

Oh, so it goes like this...

little white kids with weapons = cute and fuzzy

little black kids with weapons = disturbing and scary

Gotcha!!

Yeah, you're a ****ing idiot.

[Balla_Status]

this argument doesnt work...

you can have all the rifles and guns you want... You will never be able to stand up against the military..

havent you been paying attention to what our military does to people in other countries who fight back?

We crush people..


Didnt you see what happened to at Waco? what happened at Ruby Ridge?

those people got crushed... They drove a F*cking tank into Koresh's house and burned those people alive in there (some were children too).

I live in Philly and we had a militant group called MOVE. The police dropped f*cking bomb on their house and killed them. blew up a whole block of row homes in the process.. that happened in the 80s and that block still hasnt been totally fixed to this day

you are living in fantasy world if you believe you stand up to our military.. They'll drop a bomb on your head (or maybe a missile from a drone) and call you crazy and the public will believe them.

like someone said earlier.. "This aint Rambo" snap outta that fantasy world..

if you wanna fight back against the government? wont be able to get it done with violence. Our military has that angle covered, and they wouldnt hesitate to bury you if you challenge them.

I agree with your last paragraph but to me, it's about the principle. Saying, "ah well, **** it we're just going to die anyways...let's just give up our guns" is not any kind of justification for gun control. Like someone said earlier, you're not in favor of gun control, you're in favor of gun centralization.

I'm just saying I absolutely don't buy the argument that the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens. The Kent State shooting proves that they're wrong. Killing innocent citizens is ok when the government does it I guess.

[Balla_Status]

We are talking about 5 year olds. What principles are you talking about? "Here's a rifle son, if those military people shoot at you, you better start blasting"
Why would the military be shooting at a 5 year old?
Context is everything, and in this case, there is nothing that justifies giving a rifle to a child. Period.

And there's nothing that justifies not allowing a kid to shoot a rifle under parental supervision. Saying it over and over again doesn't prove. DonDadda's post actually proves I'm right...little kids being responsible and shooting guns for recreationally fun safely. And are we going to act like the military hasn't killed innocent children in the middle east?

And my post got a little off topic...

[Balla_Status]

You remember that prior to the shooting, these "lefty peaceniks" did the following:

- breaking into stores/vandalizing property
- looting
- burning down university buildings

Now before your pea brain jumps to "So you're saying they deserved to be shot?!?" that's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is the f*cking National Guard wasn't called in because students were minding their own business and/or peacefully assembling. So let's cut that act out right now.

And Hawker, if those students had been armed, it would have been an absolute massacre. A hell of a lot more than four dead. Man what a dark time in American history the late 60s/early 70s was. F*cking turmoil.

And some of those students that were shot were also just observers of the entire thing.

[johndeeregreen]

And some of those students that were shot were also just observers of the entire thing.
Of course, but that's not my point. In fact it couldn't be more contrary to what I was saying, because your statement implies that I have some sort of tacit acceptance of the Nat'l Guard killing those students. Which is ridiculous.

Anyway, the point is: buddy was acting like Nixon called in the Nat'l Guard just because he felt like killing some laid-back hippies who were sitting around campus strumming acoustic guitar bothering nobody. Just not even close to the truth, on multiple levels.

[ballup]

And there's nothing that justifies not allowing a kid to shoot a rifle under parental supervision. Saying it over and over again doesn't prove. DonDadda's post actually proves I'm right...little kids being responsible and shooting guns for recreationally fun safely. And are we going to act like the military hasn't killed innocent children in the middle east?

And my post got a little off topic...
What do you think makes it a good idea to give a real gun to a kid, regardless of the intent of use? Kids are easily shaped and there's no fool proof way to parenting. Kids are curious and we aren't mind readers. Would you give a knife or even a real sword to a child? Martial arts can be a recreational sport, so why not give kids new to it the real deal? How are you going to say that you are 100% confident that nothing can go wrong?

[MAC system]

Funny how those kids were lefty peaceniks and they were killed by a right wing administration (Nixon).

Moral of the story...Republicans are evil!!
democrats were the ones in favor of slavery and republicans ended it.

democrats are evil racists while republicans look for equality!:bowdown:

[Rasheed1]

democrats were the ones in favor of slavery and republicans ended it.

democrats WERE evil racists while republicans USED TO look for equality!:bowdown:


fixed...

When Johnson signed the civil rights act of 1964, all the racist dixiecrats in the democratic party migrated to the republican party, and ever since the republican party has been the 'evil racist' party creating things like the "southern strategy" and more recently the attempts at voter suppression against minority groups.


Republicans have been spouting this distorted version of history lately, and it makes them look stupid when they try it.. It only works on other republicans.

Its like Darth Vader lecturing the rebel alliance about how he was once the greatest and most noble jedi in the Republic (before he betrayed everything he stood for and became a sith)

Recently Rand Paul went to Howard talking this BS and he embarrassed himself.. the audience was laughing at his attempt to distort history..

republicans need to stop using that talking point, because it is a distortion and its just an insult to people's intelligence. it doesnt work

[JtotheIzzo]

drawing partisan lines only makes everyone dumber.

the democrats were the ones who did nothing when they had the chance for gun control legislation, so calling them a bunch of gun fearing pu$$ies is disingenuous.

despite all the blame towards the parents (which is correct), there are three bigger factors that people are losing sight of.

1-The US HAS a gun problem that its politicians refuse to address.

2-guns are the only common denominator in a lot of these tragedies.

3-the fact that someone can market rifles to pre-school aged children is sickening, no matter what side of the fence you are on. This company is incredibly irresponsible.

Bottom line there are a lot of false narratives in the gun debate:

-Obama wants to take away your guns
-you need guns to protect you from authority
-anyone can be effective in using a gun for self defense (the odds stack high in the other direction).
-guns make society safer (stats prove otherwise).


Background check, and registration are very reasonable requests, why lawmakers are too scared to push these through shows a serious cultural ill.

[JMT]

Unless these gun control laws will guarantee my safety and stop anybody that will turn a gun on me, I consider them useless. .


No law can guarantee your safety. Not everyone observes speed limits and traffic lights. So, since they're not infallible, we should do away with them?

[Balla_Status]

drawing partisan lines only makes everyone dumber.

the democrats were the ones who did nothing when they had the chance for gun control legislation, so calling them a bunch of gun fearing pu$$ies is disingenuous.

despite all the blame towards the parents (which is correct), there are three bigger factors that people are losing sight of.

1-The US HAS a gun problem that its politicians refuse to address.

2-guns are the only common denominator in a lot of these tragedies.

3-the fact that someone can market rifles to pre-school aged children is sickening, no matter what side of the fence you are on. This company is incredibly irresponsible.

Bottom line there are a lot of false narratives in the gun debate:

-Obama wants to take away your guns
-you need guns to protect you from authority
-anyone can be effective in using a gun for self defense (the odds stack high in the other direction).
-guns make society safer (stats prove otherwise).


Background check, and registration are very reasonable requests, why lawmakers are too scared to push these through shows a serious cultural ill.

Show me these stats (in America).

And if this is true, I guess law enforcement won't be needing guns then.

The government doesn't need a registration of who owns guns and what type of guns they own.

The fact that people are effective in using gun for self-defense on a regular basis proves your "false" narrative incorrect. It happens. People can do it. Quit acting like it's a fairytale or something out of a movie.

[Balla_Status]

No law can guarantee your safety. Not everyone observes speed limits and traffic lights. So, since they're not infallible, we should do away with them?

Wait, I thought we weren't allowed to compare cars to guns since the primary purpose of guns is to kill and cars to transport?

[miller-time]

Wait, I thought we weren't allowed to compare cars to guns since the primary purpose of guns is to kill and cars to transport?

The problem with gun advocate's comparing cars and guns is functionality and necessity. They ignore the tools primary functional purpose and its necessity and just compare raw numbers of deaths per year. What he is talking about is the power of law and no matter how strong a law is, no law can completely deter crime or increase public safety to 100%. But in light of that fact it doesn't mean you should remove all laws simply because they aren't 100% effective.

Do you think just because transportation laws don't completely guarantee your safety we should just do away with them? Have no laws? No speed limits, no pedestrian crossings, no driving lanes? Is that a better scenario?

[Unstoppabull]

So guns don't kill people after all.