Jimmy Butler or Iman Shumpert

[DuMa]

2 defensive minded wings.
Both wear stupid flashy adidas.
Both have stupid haircuts.
Both wear #21

who ya got?

[Trentknicks]

2 defensive minded wings.
Both wear stupid flashy adidas.
Both have stupid haircuts.
Both wear #21

who ya got?
Haircuts are absolutely ballin *******.

Too early to tell, Butler seems like he has a slightly higher ceiling and has has some great games. Shumpert can't really be assessed till end of the playoffs or ideally next season due to coming back from injury.

I'd like Shump to turn into Iggy lite with slightly less playmaking ability.

[hkfosho]

Butler.

[Haymaker]

Shump. Better IQ.

[D.J.]

Shump right now. Butler might have a higher ceiling though.

[bluechox2]

butler has a better offensive game

[bagelred]

Shump right now. Butler might have a higher ceiling though.

:oldlol:

[Dro]

Id go with Butler..He's more aggressive than Shumpert and has a better offensive game...

[Graviton]

Butler actually guards superstars well and backs up his "elite defender" label, Shumpert has been nothing but garbage since his injury. Can't even recall who he guarded well in the playoffs.

[Sarcastic]

Butler actually guards superstars well and backs up his "elite defender" label, Shumpert has been nothing but garbage since his injury. Can't even recall who he guarded well in the playoffs.


Paul Pierce shot 36% with Shumpert on him. Ripped the ball from him a bunch of times too.

[Phenith]

Shump for sure, I like Butler too, but this would be an easy decision.

[hkfosho]

Butler actually guards superstars well and backs up his "elite defender" label, Shumpert has been nothing but garbage since his injury. Can't even recall who he guarded well in the playoffs.

Also, he's got more game on the offensive side. The guy can create his own shots at times, which is pretty crucial in this offensive-challenged bulls team.

[willds09]

Shumpert

[hitmanyr2k]

Paul Pierce shot 36% with Shumpert on him. Ripped the ball from him a bunch of times too.

Paul Pierce would have shot 36% with the damn mascot on him. I lost count how many open shots he bricked. Even Raymond Felton was giving him trouble.

[Clutch]

I don't know,Butler is better offensively but Shumpert is better defensively.

It could go either way,depends on what your team needs.

[Graviton]

I don't know,Butler is better offensively but Shumpert is better defensively.

It could go either way,depends on what your team needs.
:roll:

Based on WHAT? Shumpert's reputation from last season or his actual performance on the court post surgery?

Butler has actually guarded elite players and limtied them, his defense on Kobe, Melo and Lebron was on a level Shumpert could never reach due to his size disadvantage.

And in this series Butler has guarded Joe and Williams and forced them to brick majority of their jumpers. Jimmy is legit and displays his defense on the court, Shumpert was overrated before but has been even worse post surgery.

[Sarcastic]

Butler's defense is based on Tom Thibadeau. Shumpert was a beast defensively under Mike 'Antoni. That's an achievement by itself.

[Graviton]

Butler's defense is based on Tom Thibadeau. Shumpert was a beast defensively under Mike 'Antoni. That's an achievement by itself.
Yea, perfect logic. Butler staying in front of superstars and pressuring them while not getting destroyed in the post is all thanks to Thibs, because his man-to-man defense is reliant on his coach. :oldlol:

Thibs does teach everyone defense and even Korver and Bellineli have improved, but Butler's ability to guard stars effectively is his own talent.

What has Shumpert done under Woodson besides regress? So guess it's Woodson's fault right?

[TheMan]

Butler, hands down. Legit defender, nice size. High IQ player. Looks like he can develope a reliable corner 3. Could be the next Bruce Bowen but can actually put the ball on the floor and create. Seriously, what can Shump do better than Jimmy Buckets?

[Shepseskaf]

Its Shump, by a pretty clear margin, imo. He's just starting to play consistent elite level ball after the injury.

Next year, there won't even be a comparison.

And Shump does not have a bad haircut. Butler does.

[pegasus]

It's very obvious to see who watches the Bulls games who doesn't.

Shump is finally finding his form coming back from an injury, so he can now defend at an elite level and make some shots. That being said, Butler is almost just as good defensively while being the much better creator at offense and a slightly better shooter too.

Next year will be more telling. Hopefully Shump will be healthy, and Butler will be playing alongside a healthy Rose which will make things easier for him.

[Shepseskaf]

Shump has the potential to be a star. Not sure if I'd say the same for Butler.

[Deleterious]

Yea, perfect logic. Butler staying in front of superstars and pressuring them while not getting destroyed in the post is all thanks to Thibs, because his man-to-man defense is reliant on his coach. :oldlol:

Thibs does teach everyone defense and even Korver and Bellineli have improved, but Butler's ability to guard stars effectively is his own talent.

What has Shumpert done under Woodson besides regress? So guess it's Woodson's fault right?

I agree with Butler being better but that is not the whole story of being a great defender, knowing you have Joakim Noah a much much much much better anchor this season than Chandler helps a lot.

[Graviton]

I agree with Butler being better but that is not the whole story of being a great defender, knowing you have Joakim Noah a much much much much better anchor this season than Chandler helps a lot.
You serious? Chandler was a former DPOY and helped Dallas win a championship. Him and Noah are a wash defensively, Noah just has more heart and intensity.

Still, Noah actually missed shitload of games this season and half the Bulls roster was missing, yet Butler still stepped up against superstars and defended them better than anyone I have seen this season. Him breaking out was thanks to Deng sucking so much this season and missing chunk of games.

[Y2Gezee]

Its Shump, by a pretty clear margin, imo. He's just starting to play consistent elite level ball after the injury.

Next year, there won't even be a comparison.

And Shump does not have a bad haircut. Butler does.


This. Shumpert hasn't had an offseason to improve since coming into the league. The Lockout last year, and the ACL this year. Still he took that ACL injury and made himself into a knock down jump shooter. I think he's the most versatile and talented perimeter defender in the league, and since March he's been looking like it. I said it a long time ago, the Knicks run in March (and even the play before the 3rd Heat game, where they started playing well and then all of the injuries occurred) was in large pushed by Shumpert returning to form and ending the run of guards dominating the Knicks defense...and him becoming a factor offensively.

The addition of Pablo running the team and moving Felton off ball and emergence of Shumpert created mismatches all over the floor...not just Melo's matchup.

I think Shumpert will develop a strong offensive game as he worksout with Melo and JR in the summer. All the skills are there, he just needs to put them together. He has strong handles, can run the pick and roll, and shoot the ball, has athleticism....but he hasn't finished well around the rim this year, and he still needs to learn how to get a shot when well defended...i.e. footwork.

I don't think he'll be a superstar or anything, but he can be the type of "role player" like a Tayshaun Prince...except much more aggressive offensively and the personality to make him popular with the masses. He's a guy that currently thinks he's better than he is, and he's pretty good...he's a tireless worker and good guy so that makes me think one day he'll pull it all together and be as good as he thinks.

[Deleterious]

You serious? Chandler was a former DPOY and helped Dallas win a championship. Him and Noah are a wash defensively, Noah just has more heart and intensity.

Still, Noah actually missed shitload of games this season and half the Bulls roster was missing, yet Butler still stepped up against superstars and defended them better than anyone I have seen this season. Him breaking out was thanks to Deng sucking so much this season and missing chunk of games.

I am aware of the fact Chandler winning DPOY he was on my team but he just was not at the same level this year, not even close his shoulder injury has bothered him all season.

Noah has been much better defensively this season does not matter if it is because of heart and intensity if that is what raises his level of play than shame on other players for not being as intense as him, as for missed game they missed around the same amount of games and I can't say I watched a Bulls game without Noah only reason I watched the Bulls was because of Noah so I can not judge how good Butler played during those games.

But from what I have seen Butler has outshined Shumpert this season, Shumpert coming back from an ACL injury so we will see what he has in storage for next season.

[JoHnNyBoXeR]

Iman Shumpert... Doc rivers said he was the best player last night.. hes a championship type player on any team.. he will be a big factor in winning a chip for a team before his career is up.. his game is perfect for playoffs

He was a 1st team defense type of player his rookie year.. he struggled post acl but he looks to have now fully recovered and has improved his shot from last year.. while drose hasnt made it back yet

[imdaman99]

Anthony Mason, one of my favorite Knicks of all time said Shump would be the only guy from current generation Knicks that would be great for the 90's Knicks. He loves Shump, and so do I :rockon:

:roll: at the person who said Butler's got a higher ceiling. Is this why he was drafted so low? Butler's nice though.

[ProfessorMurder]

Paul Pierce shot 36% with Shumpert on him. Ripped the ball from him a bunch of times too.

Oh wow, he defended the garbage carcass of Pierce. Pierce is terrible. 3rd worst shooting season of his career at about 43%, dropped to 37% in the playoffs, big whoop.

[imdaman99]

Oh wow, he defended the garbage carcass of Pierce. Pierce is terrible. 3rd worst shooting season of his career at about 43%, dropped to 37% in the playoffs, big whoop.
so, what you're saying is that shump did not really play good defense. gotcha.

[Trentknicks]

Anyone who watched last game against Boston saw that Shumpert can create offense sufficiently for himself when needed. Butler just does it more often through necessity. Bulls had a very limited number of offensive talents this year in comparison to the Knicks and out of necessity Butler was called upon for a larger role in the offense.

[DuMa]

honestly, both offenses for shump and butler are pretty crap. they can hit an open shot or two sometimes but asking them to create on offense against a quality defense in the half-court set is gonna be asking for bit much.

the similarities for both are quite shocking a long list. their averages are pretty much the same if you can account for PER36 which they both have no problem playing or even at 48mins that Butler has been putting up in the last new game.

So its really a toss up on who's defense is better.

[Dro]

GOD, Knicks fans get offended any ANYONE who isn't slurping the nuts of their team or their favorite players....They never think the Knicks can lose and think everyone on their team is a freaking all star....Sh*t is ANNOYING...I will NOT be participating in the series thread...

[Clutch]

GOD, Knicks fans get offended any ANYONE who isn't slurping the nuts of their team or their favorite players....They never think the Knicks can lose and think everyone on their team is a freaking all star....Sh*t is ANNOYING...I will NOT be participating in the series thread...
Wow,another Pacers fan on this board. :eek:

Now that doubles your fan base to two. :oldlol:

[Shepseskaf]

I will NOT be participating in the series thread...
:applause:

Good riddance.

[uber]

GOD, Knicks fans get offended any ANYONE who isn't slurping the nuts of their team or their favorite players........

Nice meltdown based on nothing :applause:


Sh*t is ANNOYING...I will NOT be participating in the series thread...

That's worth another round of applause :applause:

[Blue&Orange]

The thing that it's funny about this threads, it they have no goal but being an anti-knicks circle jerk.

But by all means keep, If the endless threads of Knicks players being compared to other players makes people feel better around here, keep it up. :lol

Pretty sure graviton feels better after venting his hate.



I love the soulless killer look Butler have, and him and Shump playing alongside would be nasty.

[knickswin]

shumpert is turning out to have a pretty nice offensive game. I thought he'd take after his idiot buddy J.R. Smith but Iman actually plays within himself and unselfishly.

[kurple]

Shump has the potential to be a star
does he really?

[Shepseskaf]

does he really?
Yes, he does. If his knee holds up, he'll be providing elite-level perimeter defense for years to come. His offensive game is looking better and better.

Next year, look for him to be one of the new emerging stars that become familiar to even non-fans.

[kurple]

you can say that about a lot of players

i dont see him becoming a star. could just as well se him as a end of the rotation player somewhere

i guess time will tell

[Haymaker]

Shumpert will be a great role player, not a star. Damian Lillard will be a star. There's a difference. You see the IT factor in Lillard that is missing in both Butler and Shump.

[NBASTATMAN]

Butler's defense is based on Tom Thibadeau. Shumpert was a beast defensively under Mike 'Antoni. That's an achievement by itself.


Shump is a man on defense.

[ProfessorMurder]

so, what you're saying is that shump did not really play good defense. gotcha.

I didn't say that, I said Pierce is f*cking garbage so using him as a great example of Shumpert's Godlike defense is flawed.

He played good defense against a terrible player who tries to do to much.

[GOBB]

Shump over Butler.

[bluechox2]

i see shumps ceiling as iggy

[1rkrage]

Jimmy G Buckets

[Iceberg Slim]

Jimmy "The KoBron Stopper" Butler

[tikay0]

Jimmy G Buckets, and I dare you to say otherwise.

[ReturnofJPR]

Jimmy Buckets baby!

[SamuraiSWISH]

Shump pre injury looked better, but Jimmy B is legit too. My ideal Bulls lineup:

Rose / Hinrich
Shumpert / Nate Rob
Butler
Gibson
Noah

[tikay0]

Shump pre injury looked better, but Jimmy B is legit too. My ideal Bulls lineup:

Rose / Hinrich
Shumpert / Nate Rob
Butler
Gibson
Noah

Eeeeewww. Where's the offense at? We need a dead eye shooter or a creator at the 2.

[imdaman99]

Shump pre injury looked better, but Jimmy B is legit too. My ideal Bulls lineup:

Rose / Hinrich
Shumpert / Nate Rob
Butler
Gibson
Noah
i dont care where hes from, get yo hands off our shump :coleman: