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TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:16 PM
How many other players all-time have led 60+ win teams while accomplishing that?

How about 50+ wins?

Is LeBron James the most valuable player of all-time considering he is his teams best at everything and they still win 66 games?

Doctor Rivers
05-05-2013, 07:17 PM
Kobe Bryant

Magic 32
05-05-2013, 07:18 PM
How many other players all-time have led 60+ win teams while accomplishing that?

How about 50+ wins?

Is LeBron James the most valuable player of all-time considering he is his teams best at everything and they still win 66 games?

http://oi43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

Mr. Jabbar
05-05-2013, 07:19 PM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.

Bandito
05-05-2013, 07:19 PM
http://i.qkme.me/361ye1.jpg

Unbiased_one
05-05-2013, 07:20 PM
How many other players all-time have led 60+ win teams while accomplishing that?

How about 50+ wins?

Is LeBron James the most valuable player of all-time considering he is his teams best at everything and they still win 66 games?

This so irrelevant: suppose a player goes 27/7/7 and leads his team in all 3 and someone else averages 45/20 and leads his team in just those 2. Obviously all else being equal you'll take the second guy.

Johnny Jones
05-05-2013, 07:21 PM
Kobe Bryant
:facepalm

fozi
05-05-2013, 07:22 PM
But i thought you're going to make a thread about kobe today ?!!


Try to get off people's ***** and be objective ..



Mr. Jabbar answered your question, but that doesnt take the dominance of James this year ..

Bandito
05-05-2013, 07:25 PM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.
We know what will happen? 2010 ECF. Phantom Shoulder injury.:roll:

kurple
05-05-2013, 07:27 PM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.
pretty much like kobe?

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:28 PM
Kobe Bryant

What year? The years LAL actually mattered, Shaq/Gasol got 10+ RPG and I doubt Kobe ever had more than Odom either.


http://oi43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

The fact that Cleveland was favored in those series to begin with is a testament to LeBron James greatness. KG/Pierce/Rondo/Allen vs LBJ....uhhh Mo Williams? Zydrunas illgauskas corpse? Dwight/Shard/Turk/Nelson

Without LBJ Cleveland had the worst record in the entire NBA and set a new record for most consecutive losses.


he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.

So you can't name anyone thats ever done it?

Thanks for playing


This so irrelevant: suppose a player goes 27/7/7 and leads his team in all 3 and someone else averages 45/20 and leads his team in just those 2. Obviously all else being equal you'll take the second guy.

Irrelevant to what? And where did I say I'd take LBJs statline over 45/20? Those numbers are pretty much impossible in todays league.

I want to know if anyones ever done what LBJ has done on a great team. I'm pretty sure Jordan did it when he had scrubs, but not when his team was contending. No need to get mad, LBJ is just a great player. Time to accept it.

Unbiased_one
05-05-2013, 07:31 PM
What year? The years LAL actually mattered, Shaq/Gasol got 10+ RPG and I doubt Kobe ever had more than Odom either.



The fact that Cleveland was favored in those series to begin with is a testament to LeBron James greatness. KG/Pierce/Rondo/Allen vs LBJ....uhhh Mo Williams? Zydrunas illgauskas corpse? Dwight/Shard/Turk/Nelson

Without LBJ Cleveland had the worst record in the entire NBA and set a new record for most consecutive losses.



So you can't name anyone thats ever done it?

Thanks for playing



Irrelevant to what? And where did I say I'd take LBJs statline over 45/20? Those numbers are pretty much impossible in todays league.

I want to know if anyones ever done what LBJ has done on a great team. I'm pretty sure Jordan did it when he had scrubs, but not when his team was contending. No need to get mad, LBJ is just a great player. Time to accept it.

Irrelevant to how good he is.

Lebron is a great player, but this is a meaningless stat.

Mr. Incredible
05-05-2013, 07:31 PM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.
Nah, sorry.

Going to tie Kobe in FMVP's. and already dominating him in MVP's.


:roll:

Mr. Jabbar
05-05-2013, 07:31 PM
We know what will happen? 2010 ECF. Phantom Shoulder injury.:roll:

:oldlol:

Bandito
05-05-2013, 07:31 PM
What year? The years LAL actually mattered, Shaq/Gasol got 10+ RPG and I doubt Kobe ever had more than Odom either.And Kobe is a center :facepalm:


The fact that Cleveland was favored in those series to begin with is a testament to LeBron James greatness. KG/Pierce/Rondo/Allen vs LBJ....uhhh Mo Williams? Zydrunas illgauskas corpse? Dwight/Shard/Turk/Nelson

Without LBJ Cleveland had the worst record in the entire NBA and set a new record for most consecutive losses.
He flat out choke on that 2010 Celtics series, if he didn't they could've won.

The cavs had the worst record because they got injured. Varejao, Williams, Jamison all on the injury list. And Big Z wasn't on the team, nor was Shaq. That team was a ghost of the 10 team.

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:32 PM
But i thought you're going to make a thread about kobe today ?!!


Try to get off people's ***** and be objective ..



Mr. Jabbar answered your question, but that doesnt take the dominance of James this year ..

Look, a Kobe stan sucking off another Kobe stan.:hammerhead:

Mr. Jabbar just posted some typical hating bullshit with zero facts like he always does. Dude is the Andray Blatche of ISH. Adds no value.

Kobe wasn't mentioned in the thread at all until the Kobe dicksuckers came in here with their insecurities.

Mr. Jabbar
05-05-2013, 07:33 PM
pretty much like kobe?

only kobe proved he could do it as the real man on an average team, so glad the gasol myth is gone :applause:

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:34 PM
And Kobe is a center :facepalm:

He flat out choke on that 2010 Celtics series, if he didn't they could've won.

The cavs had the worst record because they got injured. Varejao, Williams, Jamison all on the injury list. And Big Z wasn't on the team, nor was Shaq. That team was a ghost of the 10 team.

LeBron isn't a center either, but that doesn't stop him from crashing the boards.

Cavs went from one of the best NBA teams to irrelevancy once LeBron left and they set new records for futility. If LeBron stays Cleveland is still a top seed in the East.

Can't believe people that claim to be students of the game are this inept to discuss bball.

jrong
05-05-2013, 07:35 PM
Without LBJ Cleveland had the worst record in the entire NBA and set a new record for most consecutive losses.

Yeah, because that was the same team that the Cavs fielded except for LeBron in 2011. They didn't lose half of the rest of their rotation or anything.

Unbiased_one
05-05-2013, 07:35 PM
only kobe proved he could do it as the real man on an average team, so glad the gasol myth is gone :applause:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html

Take particular note of the advanced stats: Kobe did not lead that team in any of the following in either the regular season or the playoffs: WS, WS/48, PER, TS%, eFG%, FG% etc.

Kobe wasn't even the best player on that team.

NB: I don't think advanced stats are perfect, but they're decent, and correlate well with expert generated lists. Kobe was miles behind Gasol in WS/48 in playoffs and regular season. That's the most important stat for regular starters.

kNicKz
05-05-2013, 07:36 PM
Cavs went from one of the best NBA teams to irrelevancy once LeBron left and they set new records for futility.

It's almost as if they they shipped off half of their roster, fired their coach, and were missing their starting center the entire season due to injury

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:37 PM
Irrelevant to how good he is.

Lebron is a great player, but this is a meaningless stat.

No it's not.

How many other all-time great teams had their best rebounder be a perimeter player like LeBron? And on top of that he is the teams best scorer. AND playmaker. AND the team still wins 66 games and has opposing fans crying all season long.

Not even Magic/Larry with their all around games can ever make that claim. This guy is adding a new meaning to dominance.


It's almost as if they they shipped off half of their roster, fired their coach, and were missing their starting center the entire season due to injury

But if LeBron stays they are still a top seed, which is a fact.

Mr. Jabbar
05-05-2013, 07:37 PM
Mr. Jabbar just posted some typical hating bullshit with zero facts

lebron on a team that can win w/o him = fact :applause:
cast takes the pressure of him = fact :applause:
took the easy road = fact :applause:
couldn't handle pressure as the real man = fact :applause:

I'm sorry to bust your bubble but you don't get to decide which things are or aren't facts based on your personal agenda.

Bandito
05-05-2013, 07:37 PM
LeBron isn't a center either, but that doesn't stop him from crashing the boards.

Cavs went from one of the best NBA teams to irrelevancy once LeBron left and they set new records for futility. If LeBron stays Cleveland is still a top seed in the East.

Can't believe people that claim to be students of the game are this inept to discuss bball.
Lebron is a PF Kobe is a SG. If you knew anything about basketball you would know SG plays on the outside all the time while the PF plays on the inside.:facepalm

If LeBron stays Cleveland is still a top seed in the East. With all those injuries? I doubt it, he would have to play with bobbie and Christian Eyenga (was his name chris) with no pf or center on his team. If he took Bobbie and Eyenga to the Finals I would call Lebron the GOAT no question asked. but he didn't because he knew he couldn't and needed the help of 2 other HOF in the making.


If LeBron stays Cleveland is still a top seed in the East. How is that a fact when it didn't happen? It conjecture more than anything.

dekciw
05-05-2013, 07:38 PM
Why is it that everytime an NBA player other than Lebron does something amazing, someone has to make at thread about lebron stats just to "remind" everyone how great he is.

We know Lebron is the best, you can stop making a thread about his stat line everyday.

Insecure fan :facepalm

gengiskhan
05-05-2013, 07:38 PM
Kobe Bryant

achilles tendon rupture.

career is over.

good bye.

Mr. Jabbar
05-05-2013, 07:41 PM
Why is it that everytime an NBA player other than Lebron does something amazing, someone has to make at thread about lebron stats just to "remind" everyone how great he is.

We know Lebron is the best, you can stop making a thread about his stat line everyday.

Insecure fan :facepalm

they tryin' to clean his taints but theres no detergent powerful enough :oldlol:

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:41 PM
Lebron is a PF Kobe is a SG. If you knew anything about basketball you would know SG plays on the outside all the time while the PF plays on the inside.:facepalm
With all those injuries? I doubt it, he would have to play with bobbie and Christian Eyenga (was his name chris) with no pf or center on his team. If he took Bobbie and Eyenga to the Finals I would call Lebron the GOAT no question asked. but he didn't because he knew he couldn't and needed the help of 2 other HOF in the making.

How is that a fact when it didn't happen? It conjecture more than anything.

LeBron a PF? :oldlol:

LeBron is a perimeter player. He is the primary ball handler for Miami and the main playmaker. I'm embarrassed that I'm even giving this post a reply. Thats how pathetic it is.

If LeBron stays Cleveland isn't playing "Christian Eyenga". They dont throw in the towel and tank because they know they suck. LeBron was the Cavs and if hes there they still try to win. Without him they know they are irrelevant.

Unbiased_one
05-05-2013, 07:42 PM
lebron on a team that can win w/o him = fact :applause:
cast takes the pressure of him = fact :applause:
took the easy road = fact :applause:
couldn't handle pressure as the real man = fact :applause:

I'm sorry to bust your bubble but you don't get to decide which things are or aren't facts based on your personal agenda.

please respond to my post above which claims (and backs up) that gasol was by far the best player on the 09-10 lakers

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 07:44 PM
Why is it that everytime an NBA player other than Lebron does something amazing, someone has to make at thread about lebron stats just to "remind" everyone how great he is.

We know Lebron is the best, you can stop making a thread about his stat line everyday.

Insecure fan :facepalm

Insecure about what? LeBron is the best and anyone that says otherwise is simply a complete idiot.

His MVP article stated he was the only player in the league to lead his team in PTS/RBS/ASTS. Noone in NBA History has done that on an elite team like LeBron. LeBron is making new breakthroughs that have never been done in the modern era. If LeBron adding new accomplishments to his legacy upsets you, I suggest you avoid the thread

Unbiased_one
05-05-2013, 07:45 PM
LeBron a PF? :oldlol:

LeBron is a perimeter player. He is the primary ball handler for Miami and the main playmaker. I'm embarrassed that I'm even giving this post a reply. Thats how pathetic it is.

If LeBron stays Cleveland isn't playing "Christian Eyenga". They dont throw in the towel and tank because they know they suck. LeBron was the Cavs and if hes there they still try to win. Without him they know they are irrelevant.

to be fair, lebron plays differently now to how he did in cleveland. He regularly plays inside.

Professional sports teams do not tank, except when they are shaving points etc. All that 'suck for luck' and 'tank for X' crap is exactly that, crap.

coin24
05-05-2013, 07:55 PM
Lebron as the man.. Where elbow boo boos happen:lol

Bandito
05-05-2013, 07:57 PM
LeBron a PF? :oldlol:

LeBron is a perimeter player. He is the primary ball handler for Miami and the main playmaker. I'm embarrassed that I'm even giving this post a reply. Thats how pathetic it is.

If LeBron stays Cleveland isn't playing "Christian Eyenga". They dont throw in the towel and tank because they know they suck. LeBron was the Cavs and if hes there they still try to win. Without him they know they are irrelevant.
Lebron play in the post doesn't he? He plays both inside and outside. OMG do you watch the games? I haven't seen much Heat games true but holy crap...:facepalm

In Cleveland that is what they had that year Eyenga. So is Lebron and eyenga vs the NBA. They didn't have a lot of money to sign someone over the veteran mid level (or whatever it is called) that year, even after Shaq left. Do you think they could've signed Bosh to that team? Yeah right.



Insecure about what? LeBron is the best and anyone that says otherwise is simply a complete idiot.
Who said he wasn't?

TheCorporation
05-05-2013, 08:00 PM
The cavs had the worst record because they got injured. Varejao, Williams, Jamison all on the injury list. And Big Z wasn't on the team, nor was Shaq. That team was a ghost of the 10 team.

Yeah. That's why the Cavs went from the best record in the NBA to losing a million games in a row. Because Big Z and Shaq weren't on the team...:coleman:

Doranku
05-05-2013, 08:01 PM
LeBron only player to lead NBA in ESPN free agency decision broadcasts

rmt
05-05-2013, 08:01 PM
In 2002-03 regular season (60-22), Duncan led Spurs in pts, rebs, blks.

In 02-03 playoffs, he led Spurs in pts, rebs, assists and blks and to the championship.

KingBeasley08
05-05-2013, 08:05 PM
Lebron about to tie Kobe in Finals MVP too :applause:

Bout to leap frog into the Top 5 in a few years

Bandito
05-05-2013, 08:05 PM
Yeah. That's why the Cavs went from the best record in the NBA to losing a million games in a row. Because Big Z and Shaq weren't on the team...:coleman:
And the other guys I mentioned were injured. Reading comprehension much?

clutchinho
05-05-2013, 08:18 PM
Typical Lebron stans.. celebratng in May..

Cause you know if he didn't team on another man's team to form the most stacked team of all time, that these cretin will disappear by June after Lebrons patented annual playoff choke

Give it a rest. It's pathetic, Lebron is great we know. But You don't need 180+ posts in less than a month to tell us that.

I.R.Beast
05-05-2013, 08:20 PM
How many other players all-time have led 60+ win teams while accomplishing that?

How about 50+ wins?

Is LeBron James the most valuable player of all-time considering he is his teams best at everything and they still win 66 games?
because noone else wants to hog the boards score the most points and be the teams pg...ball domination

clutchinho
05-05-2013, 08:21 PM
Lebron can't get it done

Has to be carried by proven finals MVP dwade to not.choke away home court advantage every. Single. Season

Nashty
05-05-2013, 08:39 PM
First I wanna say I'm not fan of LeBron, I just hate how Kobe is being overrated.

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2011/9/1/its-all-about-the-ws-kobe-bryant.html

Adding everything up for that three year stretch that included three championships, Hall of Fame coach Phil Jackson controlling egos and steering the ship, plus a phenomenal supporting cast, the Lakers were 0-1 (.000) with both out, 13-12 (.520) with Shaq out, 28-6 (.823) with Kobe out or getting back into shape as a reserve, and 140-46 (.753) together.


The middle three years (’04-05 to ’06-07)

With Kobe playing that season, they went 28-38 (.424), and without him they went 6-10 (.375). We have to look at the final month of the season to get a clearer picture of how this team operated, however. Going into their March 18 contest with the Pacers, the Lakers were 32-32 and right in the thick of making the playoffs. Odom went down with a left shoulder injury that night and the team finished a disastrous 2-16 the rest of the way, including 2-14 (.125) with Kobe in the lineup. It’s hard to argue that Kobe was more important to the ’04-05 team than Odom considering how bad they got without the one compared to the other.

Phil Jackson returned to the Lakers’ sideline in ’05-06 .... All that being said, the Lakers went 45-35 (.563) with Kobe and 0-2 (.000) without, but I’ll add that they also lost their only two games without Odom as well.

In ’06-07, Phil Jackson was obviously still there..... Again, not the best supporting cast, but we see plenty of teams with much much worse every year. The Lakers went 39-38 (.506) with Kobe in the lineup and 3-2 (.600) without. Again taking a look at Odom’s numbers, the team was 30-26 (.536) with him and 12-14 (.462) without, including losing 5 straight in March during the only 5 games he missed after January.

With Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum/Lamar Odom (’07-08 to ’10-11)

Three things happened during the ’07-08 season that helped define a new era of Lakers basketball and which ultimately took a 42-win team and instantly turned them into a 57-25 contender......Although Bryant played all 82 games that year so we can’t see how the team did with and without him, we do see that the team was 46-15 (.754) with either a Gasol-Odom or Bynum-Odom frontcourt, but only 11-10 (.524) without at least two first-rate bigs in the paint, despite Kobe’s best efforts.

In ’09-10..... They actually played their best ball of the year during their toughest stretch, all without Kobe. Ultimately, when Kobe played that year, they were 51-22 (.699), and without him during games that counted they were 4-1 (.800).

In ’10-11, Kobe was one of six Lakers to play in all 82, including Gasol and Odom. The club went 57-25 (.695), a record that lines up with those over the past three seasons when they had at least two of their big three frontcourt players in the game.

LeBron missed 28 games when he was with the Cavs, and the Cavs record without him was 11-17, and I don't need to mention how were they playing before they drafted him, and after he left them. Even Miami has only 7-6 record without LeBron.

So it's pretty obvious who had actual impact on his team and who was more valuable player over the years.

Bryant was just lucky to play with great frontcourt players which carried him to his 5 rings.

Magic 32
05-05-2013, 08:55 PM
First I wanna say I'm not fan of LeBron, I just hate how Kobe is being overrated.

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2011/9/1/its-all-about-the-ws-kobe-bryant.html

Adding everything up for that three year stretch that included three championships, Hall of Fame coach Phil Jackson controlling egos and steering the ship, plus a phenomenal supporting cast, the Lakers were 0-1 (.000) with both out, 13-12 (.520) with Shaq out, 28-6 (.823) with Kobe out or getting back into shape as a reserve, and 140-46 (.753) together.


The middle three years (’04-05 to ’06-07)

With Kobe playing that season, they went 28-38 (.424), and without him they went 6-10 (.375). We have to look at the final month of the season to get a clearer picture of how this team operated, however. Going into their March 18 contest with the Pacers, the Lakers were 32-32 and right in the thick of making the playoffs. Odom went down with a left shoulder injury that night and the team finished a disastrous 2-16 the rest of the way, including 2-14 (.125) with Kobe in the lineup. It’s hard to argue that Kobe was more important to the ’04-05 team than Odom considering how bad they got without the one compared to the other.

Phil Jackson returned to the Lakers’ sideline in ’05-06 .... All that being said, the Lakers went 45-35 (.563) with Kobe and 0-2 (.000) without, but I’ll add that they also lost their only two games without Odom as well.

In ’06-07, Phil Jackson was obviously still there..... Again, not the best supporting cast, but we see plenty of teams with much much worse every year. The Lakers went 39-38 (.506) with Kobe in the lineup and 3-2 (.600) without. Again taking a look at Odom’s numbers, the team was 30-26 (.536) with him and 12-14 (.462) without, including losing 5 straight in March during the only 5 games he missed after January.

With Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum/Lamar Odom (’07-08 to ’10-11)

Three things happened during the ’07-08 season that helped define a new era of Lakers basketball and which ultimately took a 42-win team and instantly turned them into a 57-25 contender......Although Bryant played all 82 games that year so we can’t see how the team did with and without him, we do see that the team was 46-15 (.754) with either a Gasol-Odom or Bynum-Odom frontcourt, but only 11-10 (.524) without at least two first-rate bigs in the paint, despite Kobe’s best efforts.

In ’09-10..... They actually played their best ball of the year during their toughest stretch, all without Kobe. Ultimately, when Kobe played that year, they were 51-22 (.699), and without him during games that counted they were 4-1 (.800).

In ’10-11, Kobe was one of six Lakers to play in all 82, including Gasol and Odom. The club went 57-25 (.695), a record that lines up with those over the past three seasons when they had at least two of their big three frontcourt players in the game.

LeBron missed 28 games when he was with the Cavs, and the Cavs record without him was 11-17, and I don't need to mention how were they playing before they drafted him, and after he left them. Even Miami has only 7-6 record without LeBron.

So it's pretty obvious who had actual impact on his team and who was more valuable player over the years.

Bryant was just lucky to play with great frontcourt players which carried him to his 5 rings.

Or maybe the Cavs were so single-mindedly built around Lebron's iso and draw-and-kick game, that the team fell apart without him.

Apart from 04-05, Kobe always played on a team with a real system.

DUH!

pauk
05-05-2013, 09:21 PM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.

I think we saw that in Cleveland? Taking massive scrubs to best nba records and the worst team in NBA history to be in a NBA finals etc.... stuff like that...

..and what is front-running? You mean after 7 years refusing to stay with the likes of Larry Hughes, Gibson, Mo Williams for the rest of his career? Lebron is good... but not THAT good to win a championship with the scrub teams he ALWAYS had in Cleveland and would have continued to have if he stayed there (after 7 years, not much happened around him afterall)... nobody in NBA history could have won a championship with the teams he had there...

Nashty
05-05-2013, 09:39 PM
Or maybe the Cavs were so single-mindedly built around Lebron's iso and draw-and-kick game, that the team fell apart without him.

Apart from 04-05, Kobe always played on a team with a real system.

DUH!

And how come when was the system so good, they couldn't win without (unlike Kobe) really important players like Shaq, Odom and Gasol?

tazb
05-05-2013, 09:40 PM
It's almost as if they they shipped off half of their roster, fired their coach, and were missing their starting center the entire season due to injury

OK... Miami Heat this season have more wins than the Cleveland Cavaliers do since LeBron left. That's 3 mother ****ing seasons.:roll: **** outta here with that bullshit excuse.

hawke812
05-05-2013, 09:47 PM
only kobe proved he could do it as the real man on an average team, so glad the gasol myth is gone :applause:

Exactly:applause:

Gasol-average
Bench-worst or second worst IN THE ENTIRE NBA

1987_Lakers
05-05-2013, 09:52 PM
Back to the OP. Larry Bird in 1986.

He also led the team in steals.

miller-time
05-05-2013, 09:56 PM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.

I want to ask you to do something. I want you to say ONE positive thing about LeBron. Just one thing. Not a sarcastic or backhanded compliment. Not a mediocre point like "he is good enough to play in the NBA." Something positive about the guy. Don't worry, it won't effect Kobe's legacy, just give being positive a try.

SHAQisGOAT
05-05-2013, 10:02 PM
Larry Bird led the Celtics in points, rebounds, assists and steals in the 1985-86 RS, with a 67-15 record.
Did the same in 1982-83 with a 56-26 record.

Also led the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, FG%, plus 2nd in FT% (Carr 1st but with only 10 ft's made), 3rd in 3P% (two above had 10 less 3's attempted) and 3rd in blocks, in the 1984 Playoffs, leading them to a championship. In the Finals led the team in points, rebounds, steals, FG% and 3P%, also 2nd in blocks, 3rd in assists and 3rd in FT%.

Also got FMVP in 1986 while leading the team in points, rebounds and assists throughout the PS.

Pretty crazy right?
Stuff that gets forgotten when talking about him like:
> 7 times top2 in MVP award shares
> 1st in WS/48 2 times, top3 6 times
> Led the league in PER 2 times, top3 6 times
> 1st in DWS 4 times, 2nd other 2 times
> 2nd in DRtg in 1984, 6 times in the top10
> Only player in the top10 in 4 of the 5 statistical categories in the Playoffs (points, rebounds, assists and steals)
> Got the Celtics from 2nd worst record to best record and the ECF in 1980 with the same team, led to the championship the following year with the main addition in PArish but Cowens gone
> In his prime during 5 seasons averaged 27/10/7 on 51/40/90 in the regular season, and 26/10/7 on 49/37/90 in the post-season, even dealing with injuries

That's with goat level competition, in a league with players like Magic, Kareem, Moses, Erving, Jordan, Isiah, Hakeem, Drexler King, Wilkins, Moncrief, Dantley, English, Marques.. n' some really stacked teams.

People overlook that stuff though

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 10:25 PM
Cool Bird facts. I was thinking McHale led the team in RPG for those Boston teams, but Bird was a 10 RPG guy in his own right.

Pretty good player to be in sole company of though. :rockon:

Anyone know if Oscar Robertson or Elgin Baylor ever did it? Those dudes seem like some possible candidates.

LAZERUSS
05-05-2013, 10:25 PM
I don't know if he was already mentioned, but Chamberlain led his '66, '67, and '68 teams in scoring, rebounding, and assists...as well as FG%. And he surely would have led them in blocked shots, as well.

Hell, hed led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG%...in the same season...three times. He also led the NBA in rebounding, assists, and FG% in the same season, once.

TonyMontana
05-05-2013, 10:29 PM
I don't know if he was already mentioned, but Chamberlain led his '66, '67, and '68 teams in scoring, rebounding, and assists...as well as FG%. And he surely would have led them in blocked shots, as well.

Hell, hed led the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG%...in the same season...three times. He also led the NBA in rebounding, assists, and FG% in the same season, once.

Na noone mentioned him. Cool. I thought Wilt took a defensive role like Russell did in the late 60s and 70s when he focused more on rebounding, shot blocking, passing. Surprised he still led the team in scoring.

Lebron23
05-05-2013, 10:38 PM
Is this the 5th time he led his teams in points, rebounds, and in assists, and major statistical categories?

He also accomplished this feat with the Cavaliers.

coin24
05-05-2013, 10:47 PM
Is this the 5th time he led his teams in points, rebounds, and in assists, and major statistical categories?

He also accomplished this feat with the Cavaliers.

Thanks robotron 3000:cheers:

LAZERUSS
05-05-2013, 10:52 PM
Na noone mentioned him. Cool. I thought Wilt took a defensive role like Russell did in the late 60s and 70s when he focused more on rebounding, shot blocking, passing. Surprised he still led the team in scoring.

We will never know what kind of scoring numbers Wilt could have put up. He had different coach's who asked him to play different roles several times in his career.

Hannum asked him to become a facilitator in the '67 season. His scoring dropped dramatically, but he still put up the highest scoring game in the NBA that season (58 points.) And the eventual scoring champion, Rick Barry, "thanked" Wilt for "letting" him win it. Everyone in the league at the time, knew that Wilt could have won it had he been inclined.

More of the same in '68. In fact, Wilt led the NBA in assists that season. But, once again, he put up the four highest scoring games of the season, (52, 53, 53, and 68 points.)

Wilt was "traded" before the start of the '69 season. And his new coach, Butch Van Breda Kolf, asked Wilt to sacrifice his scoring, so that Baylor and West could continue to get their's. I won't go into a long diatribe against Van Breda Kolf right now. He was clearly the worst coach Chamberlain ever had. In any case, Wilt continued to cut back his shooting, as his coach had asked. It got so bad, though, that he was only averaging 17 ppg in mid-season. In fact, SI ran a story claiming that Wilt could no longer score. problem was, Wilt got wind of it before it hit the newstands. And the night before it did, Chamberlain put up a 60 point game. He followed that up a few nights later with his last 60+ game (66 points, on 29-35 shooting.) And over the course of 17 straight games, Wilt averaged 31 ppg.

Van Breda Kolf was basically fired right after the '69 Finals (in one of the worst coaching jobs of all-time.) Wilt's new coach in the 69-70 season, was Joe Mullaney. Mullaney's first order of business was to immediately go to Wilt, and ask him to become the focal point of the Laker offense. Wilt relished the role. For the first time since '66, he was being asked to become a scorer again.

And he responded by leading the league in scoring thru the first nine games of the season, at 32.2 ppg (West was at 30.8, and Baylor was at 19.9 BTW)...and, on .579 shooting. Not only that, he was abusing players like the reigning MVP, Wes Unseld, with a 38 point game. In those nine games, he had games of 33, 35, 37, 38, 42, and 43 points. And he also thoroughly outplayed Kareem (Alcindor) in their first meeting in those nine games. Unfortunately, Wilt shredded his knee in that ninth game, and was never the same again.

ripthekik
05-05-2013, 11:08 PM
silkktheshocker:rolleyes:

j3lademaster
05-05-2013, 11:39 PM
Irrelevant to how good he is.

Lebron is a great player, but this is a meaningless stat.You really need to look "irrelevant" up in the dictionary. A player being able to lead in every major stat category on a 60 win game is very much RELEVANT to how good he is. Think what you're trying to say is this is being taken without the correct context.

KOBE143
05-06-2013, 12:29 AM
LeBron was also the only player that got outscored by a bench player in the finals.. :bowdown:

KyleKong
05-06-2013, 02:25 AM
he also leads in front-running, we will never know what he is capable of without being on a team thats basically able to win w/o him, hence lifting all the pressure from him.

tainted legacy is tainted.

Kobe?