Is Kendrick Perkins the worst starting center in the league?

[mjokc]

The dude gets paid 9 million a year to put up stat sheets such as 2 pts 7 rebounds and 3 TOS. This is actually a high rebound game for him. Before anyone comes in to talk about how he provides defense, Gasol shitted on him for 20 / 10. I honestly would try BJ Mullens right now instead of Perkins.

[Graviton]

He is the worst starting PLAYER in the league, regardless of position.

His defense is garbage along with his offense, he is too slow and dumb to guard elite players effectively, his meanmugging and yelling doesn't bother anyone.

He was near the bottom of the league in advanced stats that measure positive impact and wins, along with Austin Rivers. :facepalm

[mjokc]

He is the worst starting PLAYER in the league, regardless of position.

His defense is garbage along with his offense, he is too slow and dumb to guard elite players effectively, his meanmugging and yelling doesn't bother anyone.

He was near the bottom of the league in advanced stats that measure positive impact and wins, along with Austin Rivers. :facepalm

But man, I get droves of Thunder fans who talk my ear off about how much we need Perkins for teams like Memphis and how he gives us so much toughness. The only thing Perkins provides on a regular basis is laughable offensive plays and turnovers.

[kingBynum]

nope, that title belongs to deandre jordan

[bmd]

As a Rockets fan, I was glad when Perkins was in.

I have no idea why Brooks sat Collison so much in game 5 in favor of Perkins.

[All Net]

He can thank KG for that contract.

[liquidrage]

As a fan of the zombie's I like Perkins. I think he, in that situation, shows that stats are overrated.

[mjokc]

As a fan of the zombie's I like Perkins. I think he, in that situation, shows that stats are overrated.

WTF is he doing though? Please don't say defense and toughness when the big men he guards regularly rebound and score above their average against him.

[SpurrDurr]

The only thing is good at is setting illegal screens, 8m entirely wasted this year by the thunder.

[Trollsmasher]

It is hard to get rebounds when Durant is there to steal every single defensive one:coleman:

[maybeshewill13]

Worst player in the league, not just center.

[andremiller07]

nope, that title belongs to deandre jordan
This

[fpliii]

Perk is good for three things:

1) bodying up big low post centers (very few in the league today)
2) being OKC's enforcer
3) setting extremely effective moving screens (thanks KG)

Doesn't do much else.

[wally_world]

He is the worst starting PLAYER in the league, regardless of position.

His defense is garbage along with his offense, he is too slow and dumb to guard elite players effectively, his meanmugging and yelling doesn't bother anyone.

He was near the bottom of the league in advanced stats that measure positive impact and wins, along with Austin Rivers. :facepalm

To be fair, his basic stats sucks as much as his advanced stats :lol

[Wavves]

Perk is good for three things:

1) bodying up big low post centers (very few in the league today)
2) being OKC's enforcer
3) setting extremely effective moving screens (thanks KG)

Doesn't do much else.

As much hate as Perkins gets for being useless on offense and defense, he does all things above very well making his impact in a game very hard to notice.

He isn't the right player to have next to someone like Ibaka, but I think Perkins is a decent C in this league. OKC isn't a bad franchise, they know the good things Perkins does and that is why he has been with the team and gets solid minutes every night.

[Crafty]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2574251/perkinsups.gif

[dekciw]

It's just that the things he does well don't appear on a statsheet, and most people/fans live by the statsheet. That being said, I'm not a huge fan of perkins either, my biggest problem with him is the amount of money they pay him. Guy can't catch a pass or finish at the rim. For they amount they pay him they could get a big man that does all of that.

[maybeshewill13]

This nikker nearly cost us the game today. **** PERKINS YOU ****ING MOTHER ****ER GET THE **** OFF THIS ****ING TEAM YOU FAT **** PIECE OF ****ING SHIT

[jzek]

Joel Anthony used to hold that title.

In fairness to Perk, he's in the NBA for one thing only - as the designated "Dwight Stopper." But these days, D12 is a shell of his former self so Perk has no use anymore...

[Crafty]

Joel Anthony used to hold that title.

In fairness to Perk, he's in the NBA for one thing only - as the designated "Dwight Stopper." But these days, D12 is a shell of his former self so Perk has no use anymore...
Joel isn't a starter anymore

[maybeshewill13]

Joel isn't a starter anymore
He didn't say he was.


Originally Posted by jzek
Joel Anthony used to hold that title.

In fairness to Perk, he's in the NBA for one thing only - as the designated "Dwight Stopper." But these days, D12 is a shell of his former self so Perk has no use anymore...

[j3lademaster]

Perkins is probably the worst player who gets 5+ min a game let alone worst starting center.

[mjokc]

No question about it, Perk is f***ing trash.

[G-train]

To repeat a post from game thread:



Perkins is a role player, not a negative. You don't play a team of stars or offensive players.
Perkins got his average of 6 boards and a block in 25 mins, but his value is in intangibles such as defensive positioning, IQ, leadership (on and off court), setting screens and affecting shots.
He is the third best interior defender in the league based on proximal FG% at 37.3%.
His team mates both current and former love him and positives flow from their mouth, and his coaches love him.
It takes a keen bball eye and 'insider' knowledge to recognize his value.
To dispute his value as a role player is to show a lack of understanding of professional basketball and all that it encompasses before, during and after games.

[G-train]

The dude gets paid 9 million a year to put up stat sheets such as 2 pts 7 rebounds and 3 TOS. This is actually a high rebound game for him. Before anyone comes in to talk about how he provides defense, Gasol shitted on him for 20 / 10. I honestly would try BJ Mullens right now instead of Perkins.

Fail post.

He gets paid 7.8m and he got his average rebounding number.

You are a typical fan that only looks at stats and not the profession as a whole.

[mjokc]

To repeat a post from game thread:

Gasol is averaging 23 / 8 so far. WTF role is Perkins playing? Please let me know. Hes not slowing anyone down, he's not grabbing rebounds or stopping their bigs from grabbing rebounds, he's not doing shit but allowing them to play us 4 vs 5.

[mjokc]

Fail post.

He gets paid 7.8m and he got his average rebounding number.

You are a typical fan that only looks at stats and not the profession as a whole.

Please scrub, he's getting paid 7.8 THIS year and around 9 mil next year. His average salary is closer to 9 mil per than 7.8. Look up the definition of something called rounding. Please tell me what Perkins is doing well.

[G-train]

Gasol is averaging 23 / 8 so far. WTF role is Perkins playing? Please let me know. Hes not slowing anyone down, he's not grabbing rebounds or stopping their bigs from grabbing rebounds, he's not doing shit but allowing them to play us 4 vs 5.

Gasol is a star player.
Perkins is a role player. His role is explained above.

[G-train]

Please scrub, he's getting paid 7.8 THIS year and around 9 mil next year. His average salary is closer to 9 mil per than 7.8. Look up the definition of something called rounding. Please tell me what Perkins is doing well.

Is this in Russian?

[KG215]

Originally Posted by G-train
Perkins is a role player, not a negative. You don't play a team of stars or offensive players.
Perkins got his average of 6 boards and a block in 25 mins, but his value is in intangibles such as defensive positioning, IQ, leadership (on and off court), setting screens and affecting shots.
He is the third best interior defender in the league based on proximal FG% at 37.3%.
His team mates both current and former love him and positives flow from their mouth, and his coaches love him.
It takes a keen bball eye and 'insider' knowledge to recognize his value.
To dispute his value as a role player is to show a lack of understanding of professional basketball and all that it encompasses before, during and after games.

Wait, did you say that in another thread AFTER this game? And the last game? And the Rockets series?

[G-train]

Wait, did you say that in another thread AFTER this game? And the last game? And the Rockets series?

I'm going to watch the game tonight.

But I probably won't change the facts on players season/career based on a few games.

What I said isn't an opinion, it's actually factual.

[KG215]

I'm going to watch the game tonight.

But I probably won't change the facts on players season/career based on a few games.

What I said isn't an opinion, it's actually factual.
There is absolutely no way any one with eyes and a brain could've watched the last two games, and the Rockets series and say Perkins has been anything but a net-negative in the playoffs. It's almost been at an alarmingly hilarious rate. The intangibles and little things he provides are being far outdone by the negative he's providing right now. That's not even up for discussion.

[mjokc]

Gasol is a star player.
Perkins is a role player. His role is explained above.

Perkins only role is to play defense on big men....That's supposed to be his strong point. Look up and study Subjective validation, it's obvious you are biased when it comes to Perkins and will try to find any good from the pile of dog shit that is his play.

[Fudge]

RT @billbarnwell: Thunder are -14 with Kendrick Perkins on the floor these playoffs, +50 without.

For the posters trying to say otherwise.

Oh and Memphis went on a 11-2 run the rest of the game when Perk checked in.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Gasol is a star player.
Perkins is a role player. His role is explained above.


Dude OKC is better when he's off the court. Like, every time. How you would like to reconcile that with whatever your favorite "pro-perkins" stat is, that's up to you. But he sucks donkeyballs. Any above average defensive positioning he contributes compared to other bigs is more than offset by the fact his team has to play four-on-five on offense because he sucks so bad. And it's not like he's a rebound machine like a reggie evans.

joakim noah is supposedly a "role player" and he is 1,000x better than Perk. If Noah is a role player... there is nowhere left to go when classifying Perkins, other than useless scrub.

[mjokc]

There is absolutely no way any one with eyes and a brain could've watched the last two games, and the Rockets series and say Perkins has been anything but a net-negative in the playoffs. It's almost been at an alarmingly hilarious rate. The intangibles and little things he provides are being far outdone by the negative he's providing right now. That's not even up for discussion.

:applause:

[G-train]

Wait, did you say that in another thread AFTER this game? And the last game? And the Rockets series?

Watched the first quarter and he has played good so far.

[ncrizzle]

Im pretty sure in this series the thunder are -15 when perkins is on the floor and +50 when hes on the bench

[mjokc]

Watched the first quarter and he has played good so far.

:biggums:

[KG215]

Watched the first quarter and he has played good so far.
If I recall, it was the second quarter and/or the third quarter where all hell broke loose. If you come back and tell me he played good in those two quarters, I'll know to never take anything you post seriously.

[KG215]

Im pretty sure in this series the thunder are -15 when perkins is on the floor and +50 when hes on the bench
I think that's the entire playoffs. It was highlighted by his magnificent, WOAT candidate 9 minute -17 performance in one of the games in the Rockets series.

He's been awful so far. I mean he's been bad in stretches before in OKC uniform, but he might be in the midst of his worst stretch ever right now, and it's coming at the absolute worst time because we don't have both of Westbrook and Durant on the floor to cover his massive flaws.

[buddha]

]But he sucks donkeyballs.

mmm, donkeyballs.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_E66IzYq9uJQ/TToBOuVCyPI/AAAAAAAAE9s/k8xHlinrU_I/s1600/KeokisDonkyBall.MochaPkg.1.20.11.600.jpg

have you ever had? they are delicious.

[KG215]

Saw this on that other site that I'm not sure we're allowed to mention. Anyway, here's how awful Perkins has been in the playoffs....

2.2 PPG on 28% shooting (he's a f**king center), 40% turnover rate (again, he's a f**king center), and has a PER of -0.3. Not a typo, his PER is in the negatives.

Oh, and his ORtg is 60 and DRtg is 103. OKC is -43 per 100 possessions when Kendrick Perkins is on the floor; or -0.43 per possession Perkins is on the floor. This worthless fatass is almost making us a full 0.5 point worse every damn possession he's on the floor. Gasol is averaging 8 more PPG than his regular season average with better efficiency. Our f**king stringbean SF defended Gasol 100x better yesterday in the 4th quarter than Perkins has at any other time in the series.

[FKAri]

Saw this on that other site that I'm not sure we're allowed to mention. Anyway, here's how awful Perkins has been in the playoffs....

2.2 PPG on 28% shooting (he's a f**king center), 40% turnover rate (again, he's a f**king center), and has a PER of -0.3. Not a typo, his PER is in the negatives.

Oh, and his ORtg is 60 and DRtg is 103. OKC is -43 per 100 possessions when Kendrick Perkins is on the floor; or -0.43 per possession Perkins is on the floor. This worthless fatass is almost making us a full 0.5 point worse every damn possession he's on the floor. Gasol is averaging 8 more PPG than his regular season average with better efficiency. Our f**king stringbean SF defended Gasol 100x better yesterday in the 4th quarter than Perkins has at any other time in the series.

This is really alarming stuff. Good post.

[K Xerxes]

Saw this on that other site that I'm not sure we're allowed to mention. Anyway, here's how awful Perkins has been in the playoffs....

2.2 PPG on 28% shooting (he's a f**king center), 40% turnover rate (again, he's a f**king center), and has a PER of -0.3. Not a typo, his PER is in the negatives.

Oh, and his ORtg is 60 and DRtg is 103. OKC is -43 per 100 possessions when Kendrick Perkins is on the floor; or -0.43 per possession Perkins is on the floor. This worthless fatass is almost making us a full 0.5 point worse every damn possession he's on the floor. Gasol is averaging 8 more PPG than his regular season average with better efficiency. Our f**king stringbean SF defended Gasol 100x better yesterday in the 4th quarter than Perkins has at any other time in the series.

Is this actually true? Why they don't start Collison and put limited mins on Perkins is beyond me. Hell even Thabeet should get more playing time. Awful awful player.

[PrettyCool]

Who was it that called him a mound of shit with eyes in the game thread? I literally LOL'd.

His performance in game 2 was comically bad.