melo's legacy is on the line tonight

[Teanett]

if the knicks lose tonight the series is over and melo will be remembered as a loser, as a player who's style can never lead any team to a championship, as maybe the most overrated superstar in history.

[shady6121]

Melo got the Knicks out of the first round this season at least? :confusedshrug:

The Pacers are the better team, if they had Danny Granger healthy this season they would probably beat the Heat also.

[jimmy77x]

Melo got the Knicks out of the first round this season at least? :confusedshrug:

The Pacers are the better team, if they had Danny Granger they would probably beat the Heat also.

Pacers are not the better team but they have played better and more as a team so far. They are the denver nuggets east, bunch of role players and a fake manufactured superstar wanna be paul george.

[DMAVS41]

if the knicks lose tonight the series is over and melo will be remembered as a loser, as a player who's style can never lead any team to a championship, as maybe the most overrated superstar in history.

His style can't lead a team to a title. What happens tonight will never change that.

Melo would have to simply stop playing the way he has his entire career in the playoffs for a Melo led team to win. If tonight is the first night of that...great.

But we need to see lower volume and higher efficiency consistently for Melo to ever have a chance.

Until then...he's the same 41% chucker that plays little defense and doesn't create for his teammates.

And I'm not hating. That is the truth. With all that said, Melo is still a top 10 player in the league. He just has done nothing to prove he can lead a team in the playoffs.

[chips93]

do people really consider melo a superstar?

at the moment kd and lebron are the only guys i think of when i hear 'superstar'

[OldSkoolball#52]

do people really consider melo a superstar?

at the moment kd and lebron are the only guys i think of when i hear 'superstar'


This.

Carmelo is not even on the secon tier.

Volume scoring is simply a role. If thats all you can do, you are a role player.

Melo = role player

[Teanett]

The Pacers are the better team, if they had Danny Granger healthy this season they would probably beat the Heat also.
if boston had rondo the knicks might have lost in the 1st round.

the knicks have more talent than indiana, the 6th man of the year, last man's dpoy, the best point guard of the series and the best perimeter defender. on top of that they have melo, a superstar in his prime who finished 2nd in mvp voting.
that should be more than enough to be alive after gm 2 of the conference semis...

[Heavincent]

What legacy?

[OldSkoolball#52]

With all that said, Melo is still a top 10 player in the league.


:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

:facepalm

He is.

Go back to thinking Boozer and Joe Johnson are better. ROFL...

[OldSkoolball#52]

What legacy?


My very first thought as well when I read the headline

[Crafty]

I wouldn't call him a role player.
But he is not a 1st option, he probably will never be the main guy in a championship team

[OldSkoolball#52]

He is.

Go back to thinking Boozer and Joe Johnson are better. ROFL...


:facepalm

[gengiskhan]

Guys like melo have no legacy to begin with.

[K Xerxes]

I'm not the biggest Melo fan by any stretch of the imagination, but, you'd think judging by some of the comments here, Melo is a legitimate scrub. Utterly ridiculous. Melo is a fantastic player and one of the top two scorers in the game. Has he been far below standard in these playoffs? Yes, he has. But he has proved his ability in stretches of the regular season. He has proved that when he's on his game, he is just about the most unstoppable scorer in this league.

The problem with Melo is his mentality and it has always been his mentality. IMO, he tries too much to be the hero. Even when he has poor shooting nights, he thinks he can pull it out of the bag, save his team from a loss by jacking up shots, but that's not what leaders do. They know when they are becoming the detriment of their team, they understand when they should be doing other things (*cough*pass*cough), and until Melo understands that, he will never lead a team anywhere close to a championship.

With all that said, to suggest he is not a top 10 player in the league is laughable and ludicrous.

[Kiddlovesnets]

ib4 another knicks fans attacking each other drama occurring. I aint saying anything, just sit down enjoy and watch.
:D

[TheReal Kendall]

Pacers are not the better team but they have played better and more as a team so far. They are the denver nuggets east, bunch of role players and a fake manufactured superstar wanna be paul george.
:biggums:

[shady6121]

ib4 another knicks fans attacking each other drama occurring. I aint saying anything, just sit down enjoy and watch.
:D

As pathetic of a franchise the Knicks have been for the past decade or so, the Nets are even more pathetic, considering they lost a 7 game series to a Bulls team without Derrick Rose and nearly half of their roster. :lol :roll:

[Teanett]

His style can't lead a team to a title. What happens tonight will never change that.

Melo would have to simply stop playing the way he has his entire career in the playoffs for a Melo led team to win. If tonight is the first night of that...great.

But we need to see lower volume and higher efficiency consistently for Melo to ever have a chance.

Until then...he's the same 41% chucker that plays little defense and doesn't create for his teammates.

And I'm not hating. That is the truth. With all that said, Melo is still a top 10 player in the league. He just has done nothing to prove he can lead a team in the playoffs.

that's sums up my point.
how can you consider him a top 10 player then?
he has all the tools. he can defend, pass and rebound but his mindset and personality prevents him from playing a winning style of basketball.
how could you call someone a top 10 marathon runner if that runner refuses to run more than 41 kilometers?

[NumberSix]

Paul George is clearly a better player than Carmelo. If you can't see that, you're a blind sheep follower of media hype.

[IncarceratedBob]

What if he wins 5 MVPs and 4 championships?

[Kiddlovesnets]

As pathetic of a franchise the Knicks have been for the past decade or so, the Nets are even more pathetic, considering they lost a 7 game series to a Bulls team without Derrick Rose and nearly half of their roster. :lol :roll:

I thought you aint a knicks fan anymore? Right after a Heat loss you are all the way back to where you are, guess this cant be helped. Typical knicks fan.
:rolleyes:

[NumberSix]

What if he wins 5 MVPs and 4 championships?
What if I do too?

[shady6121]

I thought you aint a knicks fan anymore? Right after a Heat loss you are all the way back to where you are, guess this cant be helped. Typical knicks fan.
:rolleyes:

I'm still a Heat fan, I'm just stating facts, though both the Knicks and Nets have been historically bad franchises, the Nets are more pathetic than the Knicks. Stay mad. :lol

[DMAVS41]

that's sums up my point.
how can you consider him a top 10 player then?
he has all the tools. he can defend, pass and rebound but his mindset and personality prevents him from playing a winning style of basketball.
how could you call someone a top 10 marathon runner if that runner refuses to run more than 41 kilometers?

Because so many players have faults as well.

Name the 10 players better than Melo. You'll have to start listing players with many flaws as well.

[TheReal Kendall]

I'm not the biggest Melo fan by any stretch of the imagination, but, you'd think judging by some of the comments here, Melo is a legitimate scrub. Utterly ridiculous. Melo is a fantastic player and one of the top two scorers in the game. Has he been far below standard in these playoffs? Yes, he has. But he has proved his ability in stretches of the regular season. He has proved that when he's on his game, he is just about the most unstoppable scorer in this league.

The problem with Melo is his mentality and it has always been his mentality. IMO, he tries too much to be the hero. Even when he has poor shooting nights, he thinks he can pull it out of the bag, save his team from a loss by jacking up shots, but that's not what leaders do. They know when they are becoming the detriment of their team, they understand when they should be doing other things (*cough*pass*cough), and until Melo understands that, he will never lead a team anywhere close to a championship.

With all that said, to suggest he is not a top 10 player in the league is laughable and ludicrous.

I'm a Melo fan and this is true. But in his defense the shots he has been taking and missing are shots that he know he can make. Check his post game interview. He just had an off game. He is not the only reason they lost. I seen J.R throw up horrible shots all game. The Knicks are not gonna win by shooting 3s and jumpers all game. Prime example was last game they wasn't on. They need Melo to post up since he is their only low post threat. Also the Pacers are just a better team. They're more balanced and the big men were killing them. Give credit to the Pacers cause they played good D. Everybody and even ESPN are making seem like its all about the Knicks but if you watched the game you would see that the Pacers out played them and stayed calm.

[huff]

I'm not the biggest Melo fan by any stretch of the imagination, but, you'd think judging by some of the comments here, Melo is a legitimate scrub. Utterly ridiculous. Melo is a fantastic player and one of the top two scorers in the game. Has he been far below standard in these playoffs? Yes, he has. But he has proved his ability in stretches of the regular season. He has proved that when he's on his game, he is just about the most unstoppable scorer in this league.

The problem with Melo is his mentality and it has always been his mentality. IMO, he tries too much to be the hero. Even when he has poor shooting nights, he thinks he can pull it out of the bag, save his team from a loss by jacking up shots, but that's not what leaders do. They know when they are becoming the detriment of their team, they understand when they should be doing other things (*cough*pass*cough), and until Melo understands that, he will never lead a team anywhere close to a championship.

With all that said, to suggest he is not a top 10 player in the league is laughable and ludicrous.

Probably the only post worth reading in this thread.. and you speak the truth.. :applause:

everyone else are retards lol....

i agree.. he needs to get his mentality tougher and figure out LEADing doesnt mean trying to take over the game yourself... i think alot of that has to do with woodson also too...

[NumberSix]

Carmelo's eFG% in the playoffs is 40.4%.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I'm still a Heat fan, I'm just stating facts, though both the Knicks and Nets have been historically bad franchises, the Nets are more pathetic than the Knicks. Stay mad. :lol

Okay then, try staying as a Heat fan this time, a friendly advice.
:rolleyes:

[Solefade]

Basically Melo is never going to win a chip if he's the first option on that team. He's still a top 10 player in the league though.

[shady6121]

Okay then, try staying as a Heat fan this time, a friendly advice.
:rolleyes:

Damn, you sound like you're really upset. :lol

[NumberSix]

Because so many players have faults as well.

Name the 10 players better than Melo. You'll have to start listing players with many flaws as well.
LeBron
Duncan
Kobe
Cp3
Paul George
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Wade
Parker
Marc gasol

[Kiddlovesnets]

Damn, you sound like you're really upset. :lol

Not really, just thought you were a Knicks fan again after a Heat loss.
:rolleyes:

[Sarcastic]

What if I do too?


Well Carmelo actually plays in the NBA, and is a dignified human being compared to you. You have no chance to ever play in the NBA, so therefore have no chance to win 1 MVP, let alone 5.

[shady6121]

Not really, just thought you were a Knicks fan again after a Heat loss.
:rolleyes:

No, like I already stated in my first post in this thread, the Pacers are the better team and are going to end up winning this series handedly. Once again, you seem like you're really upset. :lol

[NumberSix]

Well Carmelo actually plays in the NBA, and is a dignified human being compared to you. You have no chance to ever play in the NBA, so therefore have no chance to win 1 MVP, let alone 5.
Yet, at the end of Melos career, the only difference between mine and his NBA accomplishments will be 1 scoring title.

[Sarcastic]

Yet, at the end of Melos career, the only difference between mine and his NBA accomplishments will be 1 scoring title.

And a few hundred million dollars.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Basically Melo is never going to win a chip if he's the first option on that team. He's still a top 10 player in the league though.


Theres no need to say "if hes the first option"

No matter who he plays with he will always take the most shots.

Itd be literally impossible for any team with Carmelo to win a title. If you replaced Bosh with Carmelo, he would basically dominate the ball and cost them a shot at the title.

Dude is worthless. He is NOT A TOP 10 PLAYER.

You will have a better chance of winning a title if Joakim Noah is on your team. Forget "1st optionz, 2nds optinz" thats for dummies. You have a better chance to win in the playoffs with Noah on your team than Carmelo.


Noah > carmelo

[Teanett]

Because so many players have faults as well.

Name the 10 players better than Melo. You'll have to start listing players with many flaws as well.

it's not about flaws. it's about a certain quality that melo lacks: being able to adjust.

he's played 7 games this post season, not a single one was good.
38% with 12 assists.
12 assists... in total. for a player who has the ball so much that's pathetic.

[NumberSix]

And a few hundred million dollars.
Not in the direction you think.

[Sarcastic]

Not in the direction you think.


Witty.

[NumberSix]

Witty.
Not really.

[WilliamsCollege]

His style can't lead a team to a title. What happens tonight will never change that.

Melo would have to simply stop playing the way he has his entire career in the playoffs for a Melo led team to win. If tonight is the first night of that...great.

But we need to see lower volume and higher efficiency consistently for Melo to ever have a chance.

Until then...he's the same 41% chucker that plays little defense and doesn't create for his teammates.

And I'm not hating. That is the truth. With all that said, Melo is still a top 10 player in the league. He just has done nothing to prove he can lead a team in the playoffs.

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Russell Westbrook
6. James Harden
7. Tony Parker
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Dwight Howard

This is about my top 10, in rough order. He's just looking in, though; a legitimate argument could be made that he's in the top 10. Long story short, he's not a shoo-in top 10 player. (And Stephen Curry is also 'looking in' ... his latest playoff exploits mean he's earned that respect as well.)

[NumberSix]

Melo is clearly not the best player in this series. George would universally be recognized as a better player if he played in a sexier market.

[Sarcastic]

Not really.


Yea, actually I agree with you now.

[Teanett]

LeBron
Duncan
Kobe
Cp3
Paul George
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Wade
Parker
Marc gasol

Noah
Dirk
Harden

[OldSkoolball#52]

LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Russell Westbrook
James Harden
Tony Parker
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard

Marc Gasol
Zach Randolph
Steph Curry
Joakim Noah
Paul George
Andrew Bynum
Pau Gasol
Ty Lawson

...

Birdman

...

Jose Calderon
Carmelo Anthony
Rudy Gay

[NumberSix]

The idea of Carmelo Anthony being a top 10 player is an absolute joke. Fcuk outta here wit dat bullshit.

[chazzy]

It's crazy how much Melo's stock has fallen in a month. He had a good regular season, was actually efficient, and the Knicks had a great offense. Now they look all out of sorts and Melo is being waaay too ball dominant. He can actually play well off the ball as we've seen in the Olympics, they need to let Felton create more

[DMAVS41]

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Russell Westbrook
6. James Harden
7. Tony Parker
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Dwight Howard

This is about my top 10, in rough order. He's just looking in, though; a legitimate argument could be made that he's in the top 10. Long story short, he's not a shoo-in top 10 player. (And Stephen Curry is also 'looking in' ... his latest playoff exploits mean he's earned that respect as well.)

Howard, Parker, Harden, and Wade are all toss ups based on their play this year.

Are we including the playoffs...which I'm sure we are. Howard was not good. Harden was dreadful at times...and really just awful outside of that 1 game. Wade had done absolutely nothing better than Melo in the playoffs so far.

[Teanett]

It's crazy how much Melo's stock has fallen in a month. He had a good regular season, was actually efficient, and the Knicks had a great offense. Now they look all out of sorts and Melo is being waaay too ball dominant. He can actually play well off the ball as we've seen in the Olympics, they need to let Felton create more

the olympics example is flawed. if he had lebron and kobe on his team he is unlikely to see the opponents team's best defender.

[uber]

So a player who leads the Knicks to the 2nd seed in the East, a Division Title, gets them out of the 1st round after a decade and gets the Scoring Title isn't considered a Top 10 player anymore.

ISH :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

LeBron
Duncan
Kobe
Cp3
Paul George
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Wade
Parker
Marc gasol

Nearly half of the guys you list are debatable;

George, Curry, Wade...debatable.

I'd probably take Parker and Gasol over Melo...but it would depend on the situation. In a vacuum...their impact is similar. Although I like Gasol a lot.

[NumberSix]

Howard, Parker, Harden, and Wade are all toss ups based on their play this year.

Are we including the playoffs...which I'm sure we are. Howard was not good. Harden was dreadful at times...and really just awful outside of that 1 game. Wade had done absolutely nothing better than Melo in the playoffs so far.
Oh, because melo is the measuring stick? What the fcuk did Melo do? He's been fcuking abysmal. He's shooting 37% averaging 1 assist and playing no defense.

Get of his dick. He sucks.

[DMAVS41]

Oh, because melo is the measuring stick? What the fcuk did Melo do? He's been fcuking abysmal. He's shooting 37% averaging 1 assist and playing no defense.

We are comparing them to eachother and you are claiming Wade is better. And I'm trying to understand why. Wade hasn't done anything of note in the playoffs and I'd take Melo's regular season over Wade's.

That is all.

[Teanett]

Howard, Parker, Harden, and Wade are all toss ups based on their play this year.

Are we including the playoffs...which I'm sure we are. Howard was not good. Harden was dreadful at times...and really just awful outside of that 1 game. Wade had done absolutely nothing better than Melo in the playoffs so far.

Harden is in a similar position, being the focal point of the defense.
he averaged 26 points on 19 shots with 4.5 assists these playoffs.
that is way more efficient and team orientated.

[DMAVS41]

So a player who leads the Knicks to the 2nd seed in the East, a Division Title, gets them out of the 1st round after a decade and gets the Scoring Title isn't considered a Top 10 player anymore.

ISH :facepalm

Don't worry. I've seen it before. They will somehow want to credit Chandler and J.R. Smith for the success.

People did the same thing with Dirk and the Mavs. Chandler, a guy who can't even average a double double when he was on the Mavs, became a God in order to not give Dirk credit.

I don't even like Melo. Agree with a lot of the criticisms he gets on here and in this thread. But they lose me when they start saying guys like Harden, Wade, and Curry are for sure better.

[OldSkoolball#52]

So a player who leads the Knicks to the 2nd seed in the East, a Division Title, gets them out of the 1st round after a decade and gets the Scoring Title isn't considered a Top 10 player anymore.

ISH :facepalm


Carmelo doesnt get "extra credit" because the knicks have sucked for 10 years. He was ON some of those teams.

Durant gave him the scoring title, and frankly so did Lebron. Both are better scorers who had bigger things to focus on then scoring titles. Carmelo was gunning for it like its the most important achievement of his career. Oh, right... it is.

Carnelo didnt LEAD squat. Kidd and Chandler were the LEADERS. Carmelo was the designated chucker, and the team did it together. Also, the division sucked balls. Theyd have been a 6 or 7 seed in the west.


LoL @ the contrived reasons for Carmelo being top 10

[Teanett]

Nearly half of the guys you list are debatable;

George, Curry, Wade...debatable.

I'd probably take Parker and Gasol over Melo...but it would depend on the situation. In a vacuum...their impact is similar. Although I like Gasol a lot.

how is curry debatable?
didnt you see all the open looks he creates for his team?
27/10 on 48% as a point guard...

[OldSkoolball#52]

CarMElo is just doing what his mentor KoME taught him to do. Lay bricks in big games.

[DMAVS41]

Harden is in a similar position, being the focal point of the defense.
he averaged 26 points on 19 shots with 4.5 assists these playoffs.
that is way more efficient and team orientated.

Harden played better in the playoffs than Melo has so far...albeit marginally in my opinion.

Is that enough to say that Harden is a for sure better player than Melo at this point? Absolutely not in my opinion.

[DMAVS41]

how is curry debatable?
didnt you see all the open looks he creates for his team?

Curry is playing amazing right now....and I don't want to get into a drawn out debate about Melo vs Curry.

So I'll just concede that you can say Curry is definitely better. You still aren't to 10 guys.

[NumberSix]

Harden played better in the playoffs than Melo has so far...albeit marginally in my opinion.

Is that enough to say that Harden is a for sure better player than Melo at this point? Absolutely not in my opinion.
^this dude is sucking Melo's dick so hard right now.

[Sarcastic]

Harden is in a similar position, being the focal point of the defense.
he averaged 26 points on 19 shots with 4.5 assists these playoffs.
that is way more efficient and team orientated.


Do you think Harden on the Knicks would win 54 games, and the second seed in the East?

[Teanett]

Harden played better in the playoffs than Melo has so far...albeit marginally in my opinion.

Is that enough to say that Harden is a for sure better player than Melo at this point? Absolutely not in my opinion.

harden did it against a far superior opponent.
melo has regressed in the playoffs.
right now, i think harden is the better player.

[DMAVS41]

^this dude is sucking Melo's dick so hard right now.

Yea. What a crazy notion it is to say that Harden isn't for sure better than Melo.

I see you ignored the Wade response...as usual.

[Teanett]

Do you think Harden on the Knicks would win 54 games, and the second seed in the East?

yes

[NumberSix]

Yea. What a crazy notion it is to say that Harden isn't for sure better than Melo.

I see you ignored the Wade response...as usual.
I already decisively destroyed your point. You said "what has wade done in the playoffs that makes him better than Melo". I pointed out that Melo has been absolute shit in the playoffs. End of discussion.

[DMAVS41]

harden did it against a far superior opponent.
melo has regressed in the playoffs.
right now, i think harden is the better player.

not so sure about the Thunder playing better defense than the Celtics in the first round.

But that isn't what I'm talking about. You can't use 6 games...and 6 games in which Harden did not play particularly well to begin with...as the end all be all.

You can't get to 10 players...simple as that. You have to start listing guys that are borderline at best.

[NumberSix]

not so sure about the Thunder playing better defense than the Celtics in the first round.

But that isn't what I'm talking about. You can't use 6 games...and 6 games in which Harden did not play particularly well to begin with...as the end all be all.

You can't get to 10 players...simple as that. You have to start listing guys that are borderline at best.
I already named a quick 11 off the top of my head. According to you, Paul George is "borderline" but that's only because you're a sheep.

[DMAVS41]

I already decisively destroyed your point. You said "what has wade done in the playoffs that makes him better than Melo". I pointed out that Melo has been absolute shit in the playoffs. End of discussion.

What has Wade done?

Melo had a better regular season and Wade has done nothing in the playoffs to separate himself from Melo.

So, like I said, your point holds no water...and ranking Wade over Melo this year just isn't valid on any objective level.

[uber]

Carmelo doesnt get "extra credit" because the knicks have sucked for 10 years. He was ON some of those teams.

Durant gave him the scoring title, and frankly so did Lebron. Both are better scorers who had bigger things to focus on then scoring titles. Carmelo was gunning for it like its the most important achievement of his career. Oh, right... it is.

Carnelo didnt LEAD squat. Kidd and Chandler were the LEADERS. Carmelo was the designated chucker, and the team did it together. Also, the division sucked balls. Theyd have been a 6 or 7 seed in the west.


LoL @ the contrived reasons for Carmelo being top 10

You and your friend NumberSix are having extrem meltdowns when it comes to Melo. What are you guys so insecure about?

You can say what you want but without Melo the Knicks probably wouldn't even be in the Playoffs anymore.

lol @ Chandler being the Leader. You should watch a few games instead of just judging from the BoxScore.

[DMAVS41]

I already named a quick 11 off the top of my head. According to you, Paul George is "borderline" but that's only because you're a sheep.

It's just the truth. And I love Paul George. You can't just definitively say that George is better than Melo.

[NumberSix]

What has Wade done?

Melo had a better regular season and Wade has done nothing in the playoffs to separate himself from Melo.

So, like I said, your point holds no water...and ranking Wade over Melo this year just isn't valid on any objective level.
Moving the goal posts much?

If you wanted to discuss playoffs, why did you make the playoffs your argument in the first place?

[DMAVS41]

You and your friend NumberSix are having extrem meltdowns when it comes to Melo. What are you guys so insecure about?

You can say what you want but without Melo the Knicks probably wouldn't even be in the Playoffs anymore.

lol @ Chandler being the Leader. You should watch a few games instead of just judging from the BoxScore.

speaking of that box score. chandler is averaging 5/8...but you don't hear anyone talking about that.

[NumberSix]

It's just the truth. And I love Paul George. You can't just definitively say that George is better than Melo.
I am definitively saying that Paul George is better than Melo.

If Paul George was pure shit on defense like Melo is, I'd say its close or Melo is a little better, but Paul George isn't pure shit on defense. He actually pretty good. The court has 2 ends and they both count.


George > Melo. Clear as day.

[DMAVS41]

Moving the goal posts much?

If you wanted to discuss playoffs, why did you make the playoffs your argument in the first place?

What? That doesn't even make sense.

Have you seen what Wade is doing in the playoffs? He's missed a game for starters...and he's shooting poorly just like Melo...

Wake up moron.

[Teanett]

not so sure about the Thunder playing better defense than the Celtics in the first round.

But that isn't what I'm talking about. You can't use 6 games...and 6 games in which Harden did not play particularly well to begin with...as the end all be all.

You can't get to 10 players...simple as that. You have to start listing guys that are borderline at best.

i thought i already listed 12.
but again, it depends on how you define "better".
if we go by pure talent i would easily put him right behind lebron and kobe.
but if i had to pick player in order to win a championship? no way.

[NumberSix]

If Melo plays like shit again tonight and the Knicks lose, you clowns gonna keep claiming Melo is top 10?

[Teanett]

but the good thing is, there's still hope.
c'mon melo! prove me wrong!
get your shit together and get a win tonight!!!

[DMAVS41]

i thought i already listed 12.
but again, it depends on how you define "better".
if we go by pure talent i would easily put him right behind lebron and kobe.
but if i had to pick player in order to win a championship? no way.

but of the 12 you listed. there are guys in which it is close enough to take Melo.

and, just for a moment lets stay he's the 13th best player in the league. so what is the point then?

I say he's the 10th best. you say he's the 13th best. who cares?

like i said before. melo is over-rated. read my first post. where people lose me is saying things like Boozer and Joe Johnson are better. Or that a guy like Harden or Wade or Paul George are definitively better.

Yea, maybe if you go on only the last 4 games, but that is absurd.

[DMAVS41]

If Melo plays like shit again tonight and the Knicks lose, you clowns gonna keep claiming Melo is top 10?

the top 10 was just an arbitrary number to show that while Melo has his faults, he's still one of the best players in the league.

where do you actually rank him. give me the number.

[OldSkoolball#52]

If Melo plays like shit again tonight and the Knicks lose, you clowns gonna keep claiming Melo is top 10?


Theyll play the injury card.

These dudes just simply have beer goggles when it comes to Carmelo. He looks great to them even when he looks like shit to everyone else.

[jimmy77x]

Paul George's stats are similar to Jr Smiths during the reg season but somehow he is better than melo now :lol numbersix

[NumberSix]

the top 10 was just an arbitrary number to show that while Melo has his faults, he's still one of the best players in the league.

where do you actually rank him. give me the number.
15ish give or take.

[Teanett]

Yea, maybe if you go on only the last 4 games, but that is absurd.

these last 7 games only augment what melo was about for his entire nba career.
it shows the major flaw of his game in principle.
we're not talking skillset. of course he is a "better" player than noah but noah elevates his teams play in a way that melo just cant.
melo to this point is in that joe johnson/carlos boozer category but he's the rolls royce of that group.

[DMAVS41]

15ish give or take.

So you really going to get that crazy about 5 spots when after about 6 or 7 it is very subjective? What?

[DMAVS41]

these last 7 games only augment what melo was about for his entire nba career.
it shows the major flaw of his game in principle.
we're not talking skillset. of course he is a "better" player than noah but noah elevates his teams play in a way that melo just cant.
melo to this point is in that joe johnson/carlos boozer category but he's the rolls royce of that group.

i agree in large part with this.

my problem is when you start comparing him to boozer and joe johnson. he's just much better than that.

[NumberSix]

Melo is a B player. That's all there is to it. He never was and never will be an A player.

Westbrook is an A player. Parker is an A player. Melo is a B player.

[uber]

speaking of that box score. chandler is averaging 5/8...but you don't hear anyone talking about that.

Well because it doesn't matter for some people. If the Knicks play bad as a whole it's Melo's fault. When the Knicks play decent it's the Leadership and god knows what.

[MMM]

carmelo is struggling these playoffs but has anyone notice how bad his mobility has been???

he doesn't drive the lane and even when he does he is getting poor lift and missing easy shots around the rim. his lack of mobility is compounding his iso game further.

With that being said I think carmelo can win as a first option just not as the best player on a team. If he played along a dominant franchise big, then he would have some chance at winning.

[DMAVS41]

Melo is a B player. That's all there is to it. He never was and never will be an A player.

Westbrook is an A player. Parker is an A player. Melo is a B player.

I'd rather have those guys as well.

Listen to yourself. You said you have Melo around 15. That just isn't a big enough disparity to act the way you are.

Especially when the guys you'd list to get to 15 are all very debatable and have many flaws themselves.

[OldSkoolball#52]

where do you actually rank him. give me the number.


His impact is comparable to the average starter. Hes not a special player just bc he has cool looking scoring moves. His low iq and lethargy and general inefficiency and inconsistency negate his cool looking scoring moves. The dde is not special.

Hes prob somewhere between 25-35

[NumberSix]

So you really going to get that crazy about 5 spots when after about 6 or 7 it is very subjective? What?
I'm not getting crazy. I'm just typing my opinion on a message board.

My opinion, there are at least 10-12 players that are without question a better piece of a basketball team than Carmelo.

[uber]

carmelo is struggling these playoffs but has anyone notice how bad his mobility has been???

he doesn't drive the lane and even when he does he is getting poor lift and missing easy shots around the rim. his lack of mobility is compounding his iso game further.

With that being said I think carmelo can win as a first option just not as the best player on a team. If he played along a dominant franchise big, then he would have some chance at winning.

No please stop. You are trying to make sense and that's not welcome here.

[NumberSix]

The difference between Melos talent level and what he as a player actually contributes to a team is huge. These are many players of lesser talent who are more of a positive contribution to the team than Melo.

Basketball is a team sport. It doesn't matter how hypothetically good of an individual player anyone is. At the end of the day, everybody is only as valuable as they are as 1 piece of a team.

You wanna argue that Melo is a better individual talent than wade? Maybe. But, I have no doubt whatsoever that Miami is worse with Melo than they are with Wade.

[AirMike]

The difference between Melos talent level and what he as a player actually contributes to a team is huge. These are many players of lesser talent who are more of a positive contribution to the team than Melo.

Basketball is a team sport. It doesn't matter how hypothetically good of an individual player anyone is. At the end of the day, everybody is only as valuable as they are as 1 piece of a team.

You wanna argue that Melo is a better individual talent than wade? Maybe. But, I have no doubt whatsoever that Miami is worse with Melo than they are with Wade.
as a long time Melo fan I don't like to, but I have to agree

[DMAVS41]

The difference between Melos talent level and what he as a player actually contributes to a team is huge. These are many players of lesser talent who are more of a positive contribution to the team than Melo.

Basketball is a team sport. It doesn't matter how hypothetically good of an individual player anyone is. At the end of the day, everybody is only as valuable as they are as 1 piece of a team.

You wanna argue that Melo is a better individual talent than wade? Maybe. But, I have no doubt whatsoever that Miami is worse with Melo than they are with Wade.

I'm talking about what he actually contributes. He doesn't play the same position as Wade so that is hard to say.

But I see no evidence at all to suggest Wade has been a better or more impactful player than Melo this year.

I have no problem with you saying that you would take 12 guys definitely over Melo. But you are acting like it's crazy for someone to say they'd only take 8 or 9 in the league today.

So again, I don't see what the big deal is...we all agree that he's over-rated if people put him in that elite of the elite camp.

But I'd like to know what Wade has done this year to say that he's been definitely better than Melo this year.

[NumberSix]

I'm talking about what he actually contributes. He doesn't play the same position as Wade so that is hard to say.

But I see no evidence at all to suggest Wade has been a better or more impactful player than Melo this year.

I have no problem with you saying that you would take 12 guys definitely over Melo. But you are acting like it's crazy for someone to say they'd only take 8 or 9 in the league today.

So again, I don't see what the big deal is...we all agree that he's over-rated if people put him in that elite of the elite camp.

But I'd like to know what Wade has done this year to say that he's been definitely better than Melo this year.
What did Melo do? You act like Melo is some player that its a known fact that he played great this season.

Dwyane Wade could have easily decided to play no defense, not pass the ball and chuck his way to 28 points on 43%. Does any reasonable person doubt that? That isn't special. It's not something that other players couldn't do. Other players just decided to play in a way that actually contributes to their team winning games. Wade could have chose to do that, but it would have been a negative to his team.

[Sarcastic]

I'm talking about what he actually contributes. He doesn't play the same position as Wade so that is hard to say.

But I see no evidence at all to suggest Wade has been a better or more impactful player than Melo this year.

I have no problem with you saying that you would take 12 guys definitely over Melo. But you are acting like it's crazy for someone to say they'd only take 8 or 9 in the league today.

So again, I don't see what the big deal is...we all agree that he's over-rated if people put him in that elite of the elite camp.

But I'd like to know what Wade has done this year to say that he's been definitely better than Melo this year.


You are arguing with irrational, hater, trolls. Don't attempt to make sense of anything.

[zizozain]

for the 274th time

NumberSix sodomizing DMAVS41

[DMAVS41]

What did Melo do? You act like Melo is some player that its a known fact that he played great this season.

Dwyane Wade could have easily decided to play no defense, not pass the ball and chuck his way to 28 points on 43%. Does any reasonable person doubt that? That isn't special. It's not something that other players couldn't do. Other players just decided to play in a way that actually contributes to their team winning games. Wade could have chose to do that, but it would have been a negative to his team.

Do you really expect to be able to just make things up and not get called out?

Melo averaged 29/7/3 on 45/38/83 splits.

So...I'll ask again. What did Wade do this year to put him on a tier higher than Melo?

I'll keep asking...and keep waiting to hear the BS you are going to spew.

Oh...and in the playoffs so far;

Wade is averaging 14 points on 39/0/72 splits.

[knicksman]

Melo is a B player. That's all there is to it. He never was and never will be an A player.

Westbrook is an A player. Parker is an A player. Melo is a B player.

LMAO at B player. then what is lebron who has wade and bosh but lost to the bulls. Or oscar robertson who only won one 50+ seasons despite the triple doubles. It seems like reggie miller and melo has more impact than him despite the PER

[NumberSix]

Do you really expect to be able to just make things up and not get called out?

Melo averaged 29/7/3 on 45/38/83 splits.

So...I'll ask again. What did Wade do this year to put him on a tier higher than Melo?

I'll keep asking...and keep waiting to hear the BS you are going to spew.

Oh...and in the playoffs so far;

Wade is averaging 14 points on 39/0/72 splits.
Ask as many fcuking times as you want. You're going to continue to get the same response. What the fcuk did Carmelo do that puts him above Wade?

[STATUTORY]

melo will never win anything in this league. That's all you really have to say about a guy like him, just not fated to be a champion for whatever reason.

[NumberSix]

for the 274th time

NumberSix sodomizing DMAVS41
As usual. The kid is so clueless though that he thinks he's right in all these arguments.

[DMAVS41]

Ask as many fcuking times as you want. You're going to continue to get the same response. What the fcuk did Carmelo do that puts him above Wade?

I never said Melo was above Wade.

You are the one that claimed Wade was definitively better this year. And I'm just wondering what Wade has done this year for you to say that.

Don't you think that is a reasonable question based on your claim?

Stop responding to posts about you thinking you are winning a debate...when you are clearly losing.

You are caught here. You know Wade did nothing this year to prove what you claim. So you resort to just attacking Melo...

But that is the thing. I agree with all the Melo stuff. Been saying it for years, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still one of the best players in the league.

So I'll keep asking. Why is Wade definitively better than Melo this year?

[knicksman]

At the end of the day, melo and kobe plays to win thats why these guys impact the game more than their stats suggest while the lebrons or oscar plays to statpad thats why theyre impact is lesser than their stats suggest. Just ask rose, iverson and westbrook how their impacts are.

[NumberSix]

I never said Melo was above Wade.

You are the one that claimed Wade was definitively better this year. And I'm just wondering what Wade has done this year for you to say that.

Don't you think that is a reasonable question based on your claim?

Stop responding to posts about you thinking you are winning a debate...when you are clearly losing.

You are caught here. You know Wade did nothing this year to prove what you claim. So you resort to just attacking Melo...

But that is the thing. I agree with all the Melo stuff. Been saying it for years, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still one of the best players in the league.

So I'll keep asking. Why is Wade definitively better than Melo this year?
Have you not noticed that every time you say I claimed something, its always something I've never said?

Tell you what. Quote where I said that, and I'll immediately answer it.


Lol @ me being caught for something I have never said in the first place.

[STATUTORY]

At the end of the day, melo and kobe plays to win thats why these guys impact the game more than their stats suggest while the lebrons or oscar plays to statpad thats why theyre impact is lesser than their stats suggest. Just ask rose, iverson and westbrook how their impacts are.

:coleman:

if melo plays to win, then he must not be very succesful

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDVxYOACQAAYsZl.jpg

[knicksman]

:coleman:

if melo plays to win, then he must not be very succesful

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDVxYOACQAAYsZl.jpg

well before lebron joined heat, they have the same success. Maybe its coz of teammates. Now that he has the teammates, as long as amare doesnt come back, he will again be successful.

[chosen_wun]

:coleman:

if melo plays to win, then he must not be very succesful

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDVxYOACQAAYsZl.jpg
Ouch.

[NumberSix]

well before lebron joined heat, they have the same success. Maybe its coz of teammates. Now that he has the teammates, as long as amare doesnt come back, he will again be successful.
Oh, word? I always thought LeBron won 2 MVPs when he was a Cavalier.

[DMAVS41]

LeBron
Duncan
Kobe
Cp3
Paul George
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Wade
Parker
Marc gasol

Check the bold. So...how has Wade been better? :roll:

[NumberSix]

Check the bold. So...how has Wade been better? :roll:
Is this supposed to be a quote of me saying wade was better this season? Try again.

[DMAVS41]

Is this supposed to be a quote of me saying wade was better this season? Try again.

So if Wade isn't better than Melo...why did you list him?

[Teanett]

so far, his best game of these playoffs.
:applause:

[NumberSix]

So if Wade isn't better than Melo...why did you list him?
Because Wade is better than Melo. :hammerhead:

[knicksman]

Oh, word? I always thought LeBron won 2 MVPs when he was a Cavalier.

yup he won 2 mvps but lost to underdogs in the playoffs. Hows that better than what melo did. Put lebrons cavs in the west and they are first round exits anyway.

[DMAVS41]

Because Wade is better than Melo. :hammerhead:

You just got done saying that you didn't say Wade was better than Melo this year?

Wait...are we talking about careers now? Because Paul George certainly hasn't had a better career.

So I don't know what the **** you are talking about.

So we are either talking about this year or not...please let me know.

[Teanett]

that's more like it!
melo!!!

[NYCPG]

You just got done saying that you didn't say Wade was better than Melo this year?

Wait...are we talking about careers now? Because Paul George certainly hasn't had a better career.

So I don't know what the **** you are talking about.

So we are either talking about this year or not...please let me know.

NumberSix gettin owned. LOL at Wade being better than the scoring champ this year

[NumberSix]

You just got done saying that you didn't say Wade was better than Melo this year?

Wait...are we talking about careers now? Because Paul George certainly hasn't had a better career.

So I don't know what the **** you are talking about.

So we are either talking about this year or not...please let me know.
I didn't. How is this difficult to understand?

[Legends66NBA7]

if the knicks lose tonight the series is over and melo will be remembered as a loser, as a player who's style can never lead any team to a championship, as maybe the most overrated superstar in history.

I'd say he responded brilliantly tonight.

:cheers:

[DMAVS41]

I didn't. How is this difficult to understand?

Hahah. You have been caught...and won't just admit it.

You list Wade as being better...then turn around and say you never said Wade was better this year.

Then when asked...you say "Wade is better than Melo"...with no context whatsoever.

Here is the truth...you got caught. Didn't realize how Wade was struggling in the playoffs so far. didn't realize how well anthony played in the regular season...and then started offering up cryptic writings thinking I will just go away.

just yield and we can move on. you need to take a debate class or something son...it's awful how incoherent your posts are.

[NumberSix]

Hahah. You have been caught...and won't just admit it.

You list Wade as being better...then turn around and say you never said Wade was better this year.

Then when asked...you say "Wade is better than Melo"...with no context whatsoever.

Here is the truth...you got caught. Didn't realize how Wade was struggling in the playoffs so far. didn't realize how well anthony played in the regular season...and then started offering up cryptic writings thinking I will just go away.

just yield and we can move on. you need to take a debate class or something son...it's awful how incoherent your posts are.are you seriously unable to understand how these are different things?

[Sarcastic]

So what if they lost tonight, but then he lead the Knicks to 4 straight wins? Would his legacy still be ruined?

[DMAVS41]

are you seriously unable to understand how these are different things?

Of course I can, but not in the context you were using. You listed Paul George as better as well.

So you are obviously using different contexts for Wade being better...and George being better.

So you, as usual, don't make any sense.

You can't just cherry pick which years you want to use...in response to me calling Melo a top 10 player in the league today.

Can't wait to try and see you explain yourself out of the hole you are in. There is no consistent criteria to be used to get that Wade and George are better than Melo.

[ClutchOver9000]

is Melo's legacy on hold now? Till next game I'm assuming? :rolleyes:

[NumberSix]

Of course I can, but not in the context you were using. You listed Paul George as better as well.

So you are obviously using different contexts for Wade being better...and George being better.

So you, as usual, don't make any sense.

You can't just cherry pick which years you want to use...in response to me calling Melo a top 10 player in the league today.

Can't wait to try and see you explain yourself out of the hole you are in. There is no consistent criteria to be used to get that Wade and George are better than Melo.
Am I?

You seriously don't learn. You need to stop putting words in other people's mouths.

I took no stance on who between Wade and Melo was a better player this season. You as usual let your assumptions run wild.

You just now did it again with Paul George. Who says I'm using different criteria? Who says I don't think Paul George is a better player than Melo, this year or in general?

To make things EXTRA simple for you, I DO think Paul George was a better player than Carmelo this year AND I think Paul George IS a better player in general.

[DMAVS41]

Am I?

You seriously don't learn. You need to stop putting words in other people's mouths.

I took no stance on who between Wade and Melo was a better player this season. You as usual let your assumptions run wild.

You just now did it again with Paul George. Who says I'm using different criteria? Who says I don't think Paul George is a better player than Melo, this year or in general?

To make things EXTRA simple for you, I DO think Paul George was a better player than Carmelo this year AND I think Paul George IS a better player in general.

But then you can't list Wade.

Wow...I can't believe you are this dense.

You list Wade as being better than Melo...and then want to turn around and say you are talking in general terms....which can be defined as anything. Makes no sense.

All so you can act like it's absurd to say Melo is a top 10 player in the league. And that implies the current league today. Why would we ever be talking about anything other than the league today?

[knicksman]

Am I?

You seriously don't learn. You need to stop putting words in other people's mouths.

I took no stance on who between Wade and Melo was a better player this season. You as usual let your assumptions run wild.

You just now did it again with Paul George. Who says I'm using different criteria? Who says I don't think Paul George is a better player than Melo, this year or in general?

To make things EXTRA simple for you, I DO think Paul George was a better player than Carmelo this year AND I think Paul George IS a better player in general.

I guess iguodala is better than anthony too coz iguodala and george are almost the same. Tell me how much he achieved in his career genius

[Sarcastic]

There is no objective standard that you can use to call Paul George better than Carmelo Anthony, at this point in their careers.

If George goes on to win MVPs and rings, while Melo never does, then you can call him better. But it's really hard to say a guy who has never scored 18ppg better than a guy that has scored 20+ppg every year of his career.

[NumberSix]

But then you can't list Wade.

Wow...I can't believe you are this dense.

You list Wade as being better than Melo...and then want to turn around and say you are talking in general terms....which can be defined as anything. Makes no sense.

All so you can act like it's absurd to say Melo is a top 10 player in the league. And that implies the current league today. Why would we ever be talking about anything other than the league today?
There's an obvious difference between who is a better player and which player had a better season. It's a pretty easy concept to grasp.

[NumberSix]

I guess iguodala is better than anthony too coz iguodala and george are almost the same. Tell me how much he achieved in his career genius
Were not talking about career legacy, but since you went there... What the fcuk has Melo achieved in his career?

[NumberSix]

There is no objective standard that you can use to call Paul George better than Carmelo Anthony, at this point in their careers.

If George goes on to win MVPs and rings, while Melo never does, then you can call him better. But it's really hard to say a guy who has never scored 18ppg better than a guy that has scored 20+ppg every year of his career.
Not talking about career legacy, not that Carmelo has much of one. Just talking about better player.

[DMAVS41]

There's an obvious difference between who is a better player and which player had a better season. It's a pretty easy concept to grasp.

Yes, but you can't jump between the two to compile a list.

Which is what you are doing with Paul George. Because there is absolutely nothing objective or evidence based to suggest George is a better player in "general" than Melo...

Especially when you look at George last year in addition to this year. George simply hasn't done enough in his career to this point to make that claim.

Or does putting up 10/7/2 on 39/27/79 splits in the playoffs last year count for you?

[NumberSix]

You guys keep saying shit like "how is this guy better than Melo? What has he achieved in his career" as if Carmelo Anthony is some highly decorated player or something.

[Teanett]

he was great! back against the wall, he came through! he did it!
:applause:

still got to win one it indiana

[NumberSix]

Yes, but you can't jump between the two to compile a list.

Which is what you are doing with Paul George. Because there is absolutely nothing objective or evidence based to suggest George is a better player in "general" than Melo...

Especially when you look at George last year in addition to this year. George simply hasn't done enough in his career to this point to make that claim.

Or does putting up 10/7/2 on 39/27/79 splits in the playoffs last year count for you?
I'm not jumping between the two. I just told you in no uncertain terms that I think George is better in both contexts. If you want to argue that he isn't, fine. Argue with that, but don't tell me I'm using different contexts. You have a real problem with projecting your assumptions onto others. I wouldn't string you along and be deliberately douchey as much if you knocked that shit off.

[DMAVS41]

You guys keep saying shit like "how is this guy better than Melo? What has he achieved in his career" as if Carmelo Anthony is some highly decorated player or something.

But he's actually done stuff. Like lead his team in 09 to the WCF where he averaged;

27/6/4 on good efficiency.

We both agree that Melo has a lot of flaws and isn't nearly as good as a lot of people claim. But you take it too far...as usual

It's not about him being highly decorated. We could turn it around and say what has Paul George done? And the answer is much less than Melo. So you are jumping around on how you are doing this stuff.

Yea, Dwight Howard from 2011 was better than this years Melo...but does that make him better than Melo? At least that is actually a debate.

But Paul George has done nothing yet for you to say that...unless you are going entirely off this year and the playoffs so far...but you clearly aren't doing that because you list Wade as well.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not jumping between the two. I just told you in no uncertain terms that I think George is better in both contexts. If you want to argue that he isn't, fine. Argue with that, but don't tell me I'm using different contexts. You have a real problem with projecting your assumptions onto others. I wouldn't string you along and be deliberately douchey as much if you knocked that shit off.

Ok.

I didn't think you were stupid enough to claim that George is better in both contexts. But I underestimate your stupidity all the time I guess.

12/7/3 on 38.5% from the field for George in his career in the playoffs. Yep...but that is better than Melo.

[NumberSix]

But he's actually done stuff. Like lead his team in 09 to the WCF where he averaged;

27/6/4 on good efficiency.

We both agree that Melo has a lot of flaws and isn't nearly as good as a lot of people claim. But you take it too far...as usual

It's not about him being highly decorated. We could turn it around and say what has Paul George done? And the answer is much less than Melo. So you are jumping around on how you are doing this stuff.

Yea, Dwight Howard from 2011 was better than this years Melo...but does that make him better than Melo? At least that is actually a debate.

But Paul George has done nothing yet for you to say that...unless you are going entirely off this year and the playoffs so far...but you clearly aren't doing that because you list Wade as well.
Was right better than Melo this season? Probably not, but Dwight Howard without question IS a better player than Carmelo.

He probably wasn't better this year, but he was both injured and misused.

To be completely fair, Carmelo is probably being misused as well. Doing nothing but playing iso ball probably isn't the best use for him. If he had a better coach who forced him to play smarter basketball, maybe I'd find out that he's better than I'm giving him credit for.

My current opinion of Melo is that he's an automatic death sentence. You'll never be good enough to win, but you'll never be bad enough to build through the draft like OKC did.

[NumberSix]

Ok.

I didn't think you were stupid enough to claim that George is better in both contexts. But I underestimate your stupidity all the time I guess.

12/7/3 on 38.5% from the field for George in his career in the playoffs. Yep...but that is better than Melo.
I'm not talking about career.

Jesus Christ. Why is this so fcuking impossible for you to comprehend?

[DMAVS41]

Was right better than Melo this season? Probably not, but Dwight Howard without question IS a better player than Carmelo.

He probably wasn't better this year, but he was both injured and misused.

To be completely fair, Carmelo is probably being misused as well. Doing nothing but playing iso ball probably isn't the best use for him. If he had a better coach who forced him to play smarter basketball, maybe I'd find out that he's better than I'm giving him credit for.

My current opinion of Melo is that he's an automatic death sentence. You'll never be good enough to win, but you'll never be bad enough to build through the draft like OKC did.

i agree with almost everything you say about Melo...i've made my opinion known about him for years on here.

But you could say the same thing about some of those "A" players you listed. For example, we have no idea how Wesbrook or Parker would do as the clear cut best player on a team. They might do no better than Melo...and you are just letting them slide a bit.

If Melo played with players as good as a Durant...or Duncan..and didn't win..you'd hold him responsible.

That is my point about it being debatable with a lot of these guys. I personally would rather have Parker or Westbrook, but I have no clue how those guys would do carrying a team.

[DMAVS41]

I'm not talking about career.

Jesus Christ. Why is this so fcuking impossible for you to comprehend?

That is what in general means. You have to provide some evidence for it...or it's just your worthless opinion.

And if you want to go all opinion, then fine...but don't get so up in arms about me claiming Melo is a top 10 player in the league.

[NumberSix]

i agree with almost everything you say about Melo...i've made my opinion known about him for years on here.

But you could say the same thing about some of those "A" players you listed. For example, we have no idea how Wesbrook or Parker would do as the clear cut best player on a team. They might do no better than Melo...and you are just letting them slide a bit.

If Melo played with players as good as a Durant...or Duncan..and didn't win..you'd hold him responsible.

That is my point about it being debatable with a lot of these guys. I personally would rather have Parker or Westbrook, but I have no clue how those guys would do carrying a team.

West brook is an inefficient scorer as well, but I give more leeway to players who also playmake and play really good defense. A guy like Parker is a top notch team player. I give players like these more benefit than I do to Melo.

[DMAVS41]

West brook is an inefficient scorer as well, but I give more leeway to players who also playmake and play really good defense. A guy like Parker is a top notch team player. I give players like these more benefit than I do to Melo.

I agree with this...but, we don't know how they would react playing in the situation Melo finds himself in right now. It's a lot easier to to do some of those other things when you are on better teams.

That is my point.

[NumberSix]

I agree with this...but, we don't know how they would react playing in the situation Melo finds himself in right now. It's a lot easier to to do some of those other things when you are on better teams.

That is my point.
Sure, but my opinion is that Melo is the same guy regardless of what team he's on. He's gonna chuck his way to 28 points on 44% regardless of his team mates are. Which, in itself is nothing to be impressed by. People fool themselves into thinking he must be a little better than the average "good player", but he really isn't.

Do you have any doubt that Chris Bosh could do it? Bosh could chuck his way to 28 on 44% if his coach and his team mates would allow it. But they wouldn't allow it.

[Sarcastic]

Sure, but my opinion is that Melo is the same guy regardless of what team he's on. He's gonna chuck his way to 28 points on 44% regardless of his team mates are. Which, in itself is nothing to be impressed by. People fool themselves into thinking he must be a little better than the average "good player", but he really isn't.

Do you have any doubt that Chris Bosh could do it? Bosh could chuck his way to 28 on 44% if his coach and his team mates would allow it. But they wouldn't allow it.


How the fck do you know this? He shot 49% and scored 26 ppg with past prime Allen Iverson. You have no idea what he would do if he played with a top 10 player in his prime.

[Rameek]

Am I?

You seriously don't learn. You need to stop putting words in other people's mouths.

I took no stance on who between Wade and Melo was a better player this season. You as usual let your assumptions run wild.

You just now did it again with Paul George. Who says I'm using different criteria? Who says I don't think Paul George is a better player than Melo, this year or in general?

To make things EXTRA simple for you, I DO think Paul George was a better player than Carmelo this year AND I think Paul George IS a better player in general.
How in any context is Paul George a better player than Melo this year? Paul George isnt arguably the best player on his team.

[imdaman99]

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[DMAVS41]

Sure, but my opinion is that Melo is the same guy regardless of what team he's on. He's gonna chuck his way to 28 points on 44% regardless of his team mates are. Which, in itself is nothing to be impressed by. People fool themselves into thinking he must be a little better than the average "good player", but he really isn't.

Do you have any doubt that Chris Bosh could do it? Bosh could chuck his way to 28 on 44% if his coach and his team mates would allow it. But they wouldn't allow it.

Well, I don't know about Bosh, but I saw Melo play really well in the 09 playoffs on very good efficiency. So I guess I'd say no...no, I don't think Bosh could ever lead his team to the conference finals as the best player.

And there is of course more to Melo than just his numbers. He's able to get his shot whenever he wants it and is very clutch in game winning situations.

But again...I agree with your take on Melo. I just think other players are very flawed as well...and we are talking about a lot of guys that never had the success Melo did as the main guy. Yes, I know melo's record in the playoffs is very poor...but he did lead a team to the WCF.

[knicksman]

Were not talking about career legacy, but since you went there... What the fcuk has Melo achieved in his career?

same with lebron before miami had lebrons cavs been on the west. Now what has iguodala achieve in his career dumbass to think hes better than melo?:lol

[knicksman]

its hard to argue with lebron fanboys coz they have the lowest IQ on this board. They believe that stats means better when we already have seen how cancerous players like oscar robertson, rose, iverson, arenas and 32 8 8 jordan are. But no, they believe lebron is going to be better than jordan despite him only winning his first ring. LMAO

[Jacks3]

Guy just anchored the #3 offense in entire league with a bunch of role-players...and he actually had very good efficiency during the reg season.

Gets too much hate.

[iDunk]

if the knicks lose tonight the series is over and melo will be remembered as a loser, as a player who's style can never lead any team to a championship, as maybe the most overrated superstar in history.
OP - Jeff Pendergraph

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[Teanett]

spot on summary by legler:
http://espn.go.com/newyork/video/clip?id=9252596

great game by melo!
:applause:

[AirMike]

Melo proved haters wrong last night :applause:

[niko]

You guys keep saying shit like "how is this guy better than Melo? What has he achieved in his career" as if Carmelo Anthony is some highly decorated player or something.
He's been the lead player on a playoff team every year in his career. Not a complimentary player. He's put up huge numbers every year. He won a title in college too. Someone like Bosh, he hasn't done what Melo has. He's just tied his wagon to Lebron's success. Lebron could have won that title with 25 other players in Bosh's role.

[STATUTORY]

Melo proved haters wrong last night :applause:
by tying up the series 1-1 on their homecourt? melo fans setting the bar pretty damn low

[Clutch]

by tying up the series 1-1 on their homecourt? melo fans setting the bar pretty damn low
Isn't LeBron losing the series against the 5th seed Bulls team with half of the roster down because of injuries ?

[Teanett]

Melo proved haters wrong last night :applause:

i dont know, man. he's actually proving my point.
he CAN do it. why does he lay giant eggs inbetween?
why dont we see it on a consistent basis?

[Sarcastic]

i dont know, man. he's actually proving my point.
he CAN do it. why does he lay giant eggs inbetween?
why dont we see it on a consistent basis?


What eggs? He doesn't play on a super team, and his early years were spent going against prime Kobe and prime Duncan.

[Teanett]

What eggs? He doesn't play on a super team, and his early years were spent going against prime Kobe and prime Duncan.

what eggs?
in the seven games before he played like shit.
a terrible, ballstopping, iso-heavy 37% shooting of forced shit.
melo had 8 passes in game one. PASSES, not assists.
game 5 against boston was an absolute desaster, a joke of an offense.
last year's series against the heat was terrible basketball.
this has nothing to do with teammates, nothing with the opponent, only with his mindset. if you cant realize this, you're a blind stan.

[Sarcastic]

what eggs?
in the seven games before he played like shit.
a terrible, ballstopping, iso-heavy 37% shooting of forced shit.
melo had 8 passes in game one. PASSES, not assists.
game 5 against boston was an absolute desaster, a joke of an offense.
last year's series against the heat was terrible basketball.
this has nothing to do with teammates, nothing with the opponent, only with his mindset. if you cant realize this, you're a blind stan.


He scored 70 points in the first 2 games vs Boston. We won the series too btw. The biggest reason Boston won 2 in a row was because of JR Smith's elbow and subsequent dismissal of Terry and the rest of the team, which inspired them to make it interesting. Were you really expecting to sweep Boston?

The Knicks wouldn't be were they are without Carmelo Anthony.

[Teanett]

He scored 70 points in the first 2 games vs Boston. We won the series too btw. The biggest reason Boston won 2 in a row was because of JR Smith's elbow and subsequent dismissal of Terry and the rest of the team, which inspired them to make it interesting. Were you really expecting to sweep Boston?

The Knicks wouldn't be were they are without Carmelo Anthony.

perfect example of complete denial :rolleyes:

[STATUTORY]

?

The Knicks wouldn't be were they are without Carmelo Anthony.

they are paying him a max contract, it's expected that he's integral part to team success.

[Blue&Orange]

what eggs?
in the seven games before he played like shit.
a terrible, ballstopping, iso-heavy 37% shooting of forced shit.
melo had 8 passes in game one. PASSES, not assists.
game 5 against boston was an absolute desaster, a joke of an offense.
last year's series against the heat was terrible basketball.
this has nothing to do with teammates, nothing with the opponent, only with his mindset. if you cant realize this, you're a blind stan.
Pretty sure when Melo was averaging 40ppg on 55% a couple games before that game 1, you weren't counting how many times he passed the ball

[Teanett]

Pretty sure when Melo was averaging 40ppg on 55% a couple games before that game 1, you weren't counting how many times he passed the ball

sure i was.
was he playing iso ball then? no. in fact, the knicks went from 16% isolation plays per game in the regular season to 26 in the playoffs.
melo gets better shots off ball movement. it's simple as that.
there is a huge different in playing style between the great start of the season, the middle stretch and the 13 game win streak to end the season. it's the ball movement.

[Sarcastic]

they are paying him a max contract, it's expected that he's integral part to team success.


They are also paying Amar'e Stoudemire a max contract, and paying Tyson Chandler close to a max deal. Where are the threads about their legacy?

[Blue&Orange]

sure i was.
was he playing iso ball then? no. in fact, the knicks went from 16 isolation plays per game in the regular season to 26 in the playoffs.
melo gets better shots off ball movement. it's simple as that.
there is a huge different in playing style between the great start of the season, the middle stretch and the 13 game win streak to end the season. it's the ball movement.
Basically Knicks only play iso when they lose, gotcha.

There's was ZERO difference on how Melo played game 1 and how he played in April, and like i said, you weren't whining about his passes then. He was shooting incredibly well, so game 1 he came out shooting, what's the big deal?

Go see Melo's assists average with and without Stat, i remember a couple of 5,6 assists games from him. Who do you want taking Melo shots? Chandler? He can't shoot, Felton? Shump? Prigi? lol Jr? You act like there's many options.

And let me address the iso bulshit, you must be one of those bball intellectuals that think that passing the ball around until there's 5 seconds left in the clock and someone is forced to go one on one, is different from someone getting ball with 24 seconds left and go one on one, guess what? End result is exactly the same. This isn't synchronized swimming, aesthetics are meaningless.

Go watch some spurs game, and watch Parker running screens and accomplish nothing and then be forced to, guess what, go one on one.
Go watch bulls games and watch how many time they go one on one, despite the fact they are a much better passing team compared to the Knicks playing with two pg's.


This iso bullshit is so annoying, Melo catching and shooting isn't iso? Why not? Because he didn't wave to his teammates before he took the shot?

[AirMike]

I think the problem is that he played his kind of ball (heavy iso leading to pullups mostly) throughout the regular season with great success and it wasn't just his kind of game, it was the Knicks kind of game. Melo's iso was Woodson's number one offensive scheme which along with outstanding 3pt shooting by the rest of the team brought us to the 2nd seed.
Now here comes the Boston series and Melo tries to do the exact thing that he's been doing the whole season, unfortunately with a fvcked up shoulder you don't shoot well, but he kept shooting and chucking. Thanks to Felton and pretty decent defence we still won.
Indiana however is not Boston and the adjustments on offensive end had to come. We could see last night that he can share the ball well and still get 32 points. Yes, he did played like sh*t the first seven games, but he seemed to realise it and be more careful about his shot selection in game 2. Now was it just an exception or did he learn from his mistakes ? I honestly hope he learned his lesson and will play smarter from now on. We'll see. :cheers:

[Teanett]

Basically Knicks only play iso when they lose, gotcha.

There's was ZERO difference on how Melo played game 1 and how he played in April, and like i said, you weren't whining about his passes then. He was shooting incredibly well, so game 1 he came out shooting, what's the big deal?

Go see Melo's assists average with and without Stat, i remember a couple of 5,6 assists games from him. Who do you want taking Melo shots? Chandler? He can't shoot, Felton? Shump? Prigi? lol Jr? You act like there's many options.

And let me address the iso bulshit, you must be one of those bball intellectuals that think that passing the ball around until there's 5 seconds left in the clock and someone is forced to go one on one, is different from someone getting ball with 24 seconds left and go one on one, guess what? End result is exactly the same. This isn't synchronized swimming, aesthetics are meaningless.

Go watch some spurs game, and watch Parker running screens and accomplish nothing and then be forced to, guess what, go one on one.
Go watch bulls games and watch how many time they go one on one, despite the fact they are a much better passing team compared to the Knicks playing with two pg's.


This iso bullshit is so annoying, Melo catching and shooting isn't iso? Why not? Because he didn't wave to his teammates before he took the shot?

man, you're so full of shit.
there is not a single problem with melo going one on one, but if he holds the ball for 5 seconds, the defense will load up on his side of the court. which means he goes against at least a double team... you dont see this? you know next to shit about basketball.
you gotta break down the defense first. melo has to make quick decisions; to shoot, to pass, to drive. if he lets the defense set, there go options two and three and we'll see the contested 18 foot pull-up jumper.
there's only ONE reason why people promote ball movement: to get the defense moving. the ball will come back to him. he'll get 20+ shots regardless. that's how you will find open looks.
but ok, you dont want to see it.

[willds09]

and melo came through for us again:cheers:

[Teanett]

and melo came through for us again:cheers:
:cheers:

[longtime lurker]

and melo came through for us again:cheers:

:cheers: shout out to Melo

[GoSpursGo1984]

I enjoy watching Carmelo Anthony play but he just does not seem to have that it factor to lead a team.

[Blue&Orange]

man, you're so full of shit.
there is not a single problem with melo going one on one, but if he holds the ball for 5 seconds, the defense will load up on his side of the court. which means he goes against at least a double team... you dont see this? you know next to shit about basketball.

Pretty sure the source of all the "ball movement" everyone was praising the Knicks during regular season, was Melo being double teamed, and Felton penetrating and dishing out, so i have really no idea what you are talking about.

I thought you were whining about iso's? You know that thing that makes it impossible to double team someone? Now the problem it's him being double teamed? What's next?

[kNicKz]

Melo last night

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