Durant is taking over like a superstar should.

[ripthekik]

and not hiding behind a stacked team.

This is the type of performance we want to see from the league's greatest stars.

[OldSkoolball#52]

and not hiding behind a stacked team.

This is the type of performance we want to see from the league's greatest stars.


It's certainly what YOU want to see. A big strong sweaty alpha male you can fantasize about moreso than just regular good team basketball.

[ALBballer]

Huge.

[Mr. Jabbar]

lebron to scared to even watch this 4th quarter, i bet he turned off his tv already, hiding under the sheets

[inclinerator]

bump

[Goldrush25]

:confusedshrug:

They lost. No moral victories in sports.

I'm sure Durant would take the win over your respect.

[ripthekik]

they just lost, but win or loss, durant gets his respect.

this guy has stepped up so many times, so many games. He doesn't quit, throw airballs, or join his opponents. Massive respect.

[Mr. Jabbar]

He doesn't quit, throw airballs, or join his opponents. Massive respect.

this.

also, he doesn't humiliate towel boys :applause:

[strifed169]

Nice jynx op

[eriX]

they just lost, but win or loss, durant gets his respect.

this guy has stepped up so many times, so many games. He doesn't quit, throw airballs, or join his opponents. Massive respect.

so tripping over and turning over the ball in the last minute is respected whilst attemping a contested shot by noah resulting in an air ball doesnt.

Dat logic :applause:

[asdf1990]

they just lost, but win or loss, durant gets his respect.

this guy has stepped up so many times, so many games. He doesn't quit, throw airballs, or join his opponents. Massive respect.

Lol, Pretty sure he airballed one of the shots during the final four minutes hit the backboard no rim

[Jailblazers7]

they just lost, but win or loss, durant gets his respect.

this guy has stepped up so many times, so many games. He doesn't quit, throw airballs, or join his opponents. Massive respect.

He also doesn't win championships. :lebronamazed:

[plowking]

ripthekik is hilarious. Some of you guys get baited hard.

[ripthekik]

Look at what he has done in this series, this 2 games. I don't know how anyone can criticize him. Someone want to post his stats for this game?

and it's just 1-1 afterall.

[OldSkoolball#52]

this.

also, he doesn't humiliate towel boys :applause:



LOL

Wait a minute!


THat towel boy was you, wasn't it. This whole board watched Lebron clown your towel boy ass and you been holdin a grudge on him ever since.

You gotta move on past that stuff, towel boy. Let it go.

[Magic 32]

This is sort of like Lebron against Magic in 2009......just better.

[PrettyCool]

LOL

Wait a minute!


THat towel boy was you, wasn't it. This whole board watched Lebron clown your towel boy ass and you been holdin a grudge on him ever since.

You gotta move on past that stuff, towel boy. Let it go.

You try entirely too hard.

[aburre21]

Look at what he has done in this series, this 2 games. I don't know how anyone can criticize him. Someone want to post his stats for this game?

and it's just 1-1 afterall.


do you want me to post LeBron's stats from the first two games of the 09 ECF where he dropped 49 in game 1, hit the go ahead bucket with 25 seconds left and then in game 2 where he dropped 35 and hit the game winning shot? People criticized the hell out LeBron for that series even though he performed at an astronomical level.

[deja vu]

He gets an insane amount of free throws though. If the refs don't give him a ton of favors I doubt he will be putting up those superstar numbers. :rolleyes:

[L8kersfan222]

LOL

Wait a minute!


THat towel boy was you, wasn't it. This whole board watched Lebron clown your towel boy ass and you been holdin a grudge on him ever since.

You gotta move on past that stuff, towel boy. Let it go.
:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping
Really....?

[Solefade]

LOL

Wait a minute!


THat towel boy was you, wasn't it. This whole board watched Lebron clown your towel boy ass and you been holdin a grudge on him ever since.

You gotta move on past that stuff, towel boy. Let it go.


^I Lol'ed :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[tazb]

OP failed.:lol thought he had a slick thread for a second on LeBron until Durant choked. Maybe next time.:lol

[MetsPackers]

You see, what makes you such a ****** is that you couldn't even just actually make a thread to give Durant props for playing well, it's instantly about Lebron, and only about Lebron. LBJ owns your soul

[tazb]

do you want me to post LeBron's stats from the first two games of the 09 ECF where he dropped 49 in game 1, hit the go ahead bucket with 25 seconds left and then in game 2 where he dropped 35 and hit the game winning shot? People criticized the hell out LeBron for that series even though he performed at an astronomical level.
:roll: ripthescrub getting ether'd every day now, shit is comical.:lol

[coin24]

LOL

Wait a minute!


THat towel boy was you, wasn't it. This whole board watched Lebron clown your towel boy ass and you been holdin a grudge on him ever since.

You gotta move on past that stuff, towel boy. Let it go.


:sleeping :sleeping

Lame as usual. The only funny part is that you're one of those dipshits with multiple accounts, that's how sad your life is... So funny:lol

[CeltsGarlic]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cd649cc908f77242e6940554caf700d0/tumblr_mk763wW3tT1r4g1p5o1_400.gif

[LBJ 23]

and not hiding behind a stacked team.

This is the type of performance we want to see from the league's greatest stars.


I don't usually read your posts but I've read through this thread and cuz you're obsessed with Lebron let me tell you this....

Lebron was doing all this what Durant is doing right now, and much more in Cleveland with even weaker teams than OKC is right now without Westbrook. And you know what you and your kind of breed were saying? It's just ''empty stats'', ''Lebron ball'' etc,....

First one that comes to mind is that Magic series where he put up like 38-8-8, but his team lost the series and it was called ''empty stat padding''. Now, when Durant puts up crazy stats but his team loses we sing different song than we did with Lebron eh? We should respect this ''empty stats padding'' now with Durant right ripthekik? Even if his team lost?


I don't really think about Durant what I wrote above(of course we should respect him and he should get praise for the way he has been playing lately), I just want to show the double standards and hypocrisy by the retards like ripthekik when it comes to Lebron.

[Trollsmasher]

Solid performance. Although it does not even come close to LeBron's series against the Magic.

Solid effort rip:oldlol:

[KG215]

Solid performance. Although it does not even come close to LeBron's series against the Magic.

Solid effort rip:oldlol:
Doesn't come close?

LeBron averaged 38.5 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 48.7% FG, and 59.1% TS in the Magic series in 2009.

Durant's averaging 35.5 PPG, 13.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.5 BPG, on 51% FG and 62.6% TS in two games against the Grizzlies so far. It's just two games, and I'd be surprised if he kept that up, but he's actually coming really close to putting up LeBron 2009 type numbers in this series and the playoffs all-together.

LeBron averaged 35-9-7-2-1 on 51% FG and 62% TS in the 2009 playoffs. Durant's averaging 36-11-6-1-1 on 51% FG and 63% TS since Westbrook went down. But sure, "it does not even come close" and "solid effort" by Durant so far.

[Magic 32]

Durant vs Grizz g1-2 = 35.5 pts, 13 reb, 7.5 ast.

Lebron vs Magic g1-2 = 42pts, 5 reb, 8 ast.

Durant is playing the better team. And after these 2 games, Lebron shot 42% for the rest of the series.

[KG215]

Durant vs Grizz g1-2 = 35.5 pts, 13 reb, 7.5 ast.

Lebron vs Magic g1-2 = 42pts, 5 reb, 8 ast.

Durant is playing the better team. And after these 2 games, Lebron shot 42% for the rest of the series.
Wouldn't surprise me if Durant shot around 42% the rest of this series. The Grizzlies may start employing the "defend him with Tony Allen and throw hard traps and doubles at him with Gasol, Randolpy, Conley, or Prince" strategy even more going forward, like they did some in the second half tonight. I'd be stunned if he scores 35-36 points on around 50% shooting in Memphis in games 3 and 4.

[aj1987]

Doesn't come close?

LeBron averaged 38.5 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 48.7% FG, and 59.1% TS in the Magic series in 2009.

Durant's averaging 35.5 PPG, 13.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.5 BPG, on 51% FG and 62.6% TS in two games against the Grizzlies so far. It's just two games, and I'd be surprised if he kept that up, but he's actually coming really close to putting up LeBron 2009 type numbers in this series and the playoffs all-together.

LeBron averaged 35-9-7-2-1 on 51% FG and 62% TS in the 2009 playoffs. Durant's averaging 36-11-6-1-1 on 51% FG and 63% TS since Westbrook went down. But sure, "it does not even come close" and "solid effort" by Durant so far.
You have to ignore those trolls.

Anyways, KD is playing much much than Lebron right now. Props!

[#number6ix#]

Every time someone is playing well everybody's so quick to try to compare them to lebron like he's the only player in the nba... How bout comparing melo and kd since they're the top two scorers or kd and curry... Come on rip your act is dated

[Trollsmasher]

Doesn't come close?

LeBron averaged 38.5 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 48.7% FG, and 59.1% TS in the Magic series in 2009.

Durant's averaging 35.5 PPG, 13.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.5 BPG, on 51% FG and 62.6% TS in two games against the Grizzlies so far. It's just two games, and I'd be surprised if he kept that up, but he's actually coming really close to putting up LeBron 2009 type numbers in this series and the playoffs all-together.

LeBron averaged 35-9-7-2-1 on 51% FG and 62% TS in the 2009 playoffs. Durant's averaging 36-11-6-1-1 on 51% FG and 63% TS since Westbrook went down. But sure, "it does not even come close" and "solid effort" by Durant so far.
Damn, I thought those numbers were little worse. If he somehow keeps this up (which I somehow doubt), it will undoubtely end on the same level:cheers:

[Nash]

they just lost, but win or loss, durant gets his respect.

this guy has stepped up so many times, so many games. He doesn't quit, throw airballs, or join his opponents. Massive respect.
It's like you erased all the hero games from Lebron from last year.

The hell is wrong with you?

[Doranku]

Bronzy got shitted on by arguably the only star in the league who is more heartless than he is in the closeout game 6: Dwight Howard. :roll:

The best part is that Bronzy shot 40% from the field and 7-11 (64%) from the line. Howard went 12-16 (75%) from the line. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ripthekik]

Doesn't come close?

LeBron averaged 38.5 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 48.7% FG, and 59.1% TS in the Magic series in 2009.

Durant's averaging 35.5 PPG, 13.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.5 BPG, on 51% FG and 62.6% TS in two games against the Grizzlies so far. It's just two games, and I'd be surprised if he kept that up, but he's actually coming really close to putting up LeBron 2009 type numbers in this series and the playoffs all-together.

LeBron averaged 35-9-7-2-1 on 51% FG and 62% TS in the 2009 playoffs. Durant's averaging 36-11-6-1-1 on 51% FG and 63% TS since Westbrook went down. But sure, "it does not even come close" and "solid effort" by Durant so far.
:applause: :applause:

this is why this thread was made.

And we're not talking eastern conference magic.. :facepalm
this is the damn grizzlies here

[thabisyo]

http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/731/731673c0ayt6pn01.gif

[r15mohd]

:applause: :applause:

this is why this thread was made.

And we're not talking eastern conference magic.. :facepalm
this is the damn grizzlies here


do you ever wonder why people discredit everything you say?

2008-2009 Magic
-Magic are the #1 defensive team

2008-2009 Dwight
-Defensive Player of the Year
-All-Defensive Team
-4th in MVP Voting
-1st in Off Reb
-1st in Def Reb
-1st in Blocks
-4th in FG %
-1st in BPG
-4th in PER


2012-2013 Grizzlies
-2nd Defensive Team

2012-2013 Gasol
-Def Player of the Year
-10th BPG


You keep reaching...just stop! We know Durant is going HAM, but everything has to be about Lebron for you...you need to come clean to your therpaist on this obsession of yours or you're gonna go looking for a bridge soon

[lebeast666]

:applause: :applause:

this is why this thread was made.

And we're not talking eastern conference magic.. :facepalm
this is the damn grizzlies here

nikka stfu already. just rambling on bullshit. you LeBrons number 1 fan :roll: Got his nuts so far down your throat talking about him all day. You know he doing something great when the haters can't stop.

[chosen_wun]

OP is the biggest LeBron stan i've ever seen.

And you dont have to like someone to Stan them, it usual starts off as love and grows to hate.

[jzek]

Gotta trade Westbrook for Rondo.

[Lebron23]

LeBron vs. 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics >> Kobe vs. 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, and 2010 Celtics.

[Magic 32]

LeBron vs. 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, 2010 Celtics >> Kobe vs. 2008 Celtics, 2009 Magic, and 2010 Celtics.

Why? because Lebron ran iso's for 45 min. and racked up numbers.

"The only stats that matters are winning stats" - Charlie Rosen

[Lebron23]

Why? because Lebron ran iso's for 45 min. and racked up numbers.

"The only stats that matters are winning stats" - Charlie Rosen


Kobe's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options. Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Bynum

Lebron's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options Mo Williams, Past His Prime Shaq, and Antawn Jamison.

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options. Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Bynum

Lebron's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options Mo Williams, Past His Prime Shaq, and Antawn Jamison.


and?




Shaq and Jamison were much better options thyen Bynum and odom...

[KG215]

The natural evolution of a thread on ISH....let one drag on past 2 or 3 pages, and it will always turn into a LeBron/Kobe thread.

[Solefade]

I don't usually read your posts but I've read through this thread and cuz you're obsessed with Lebron let me tell you this....

Lebron was doing all this what Durant is doing right now, and much more in Cleveland with even weaker teams than OKC is right now without Westbrook. And you know what you and your kind of breed were saying? It's just ''empty stats'', ''Lebron ball'' etc,....

First one that comes to mind is that Magic series where he put up like 38-8-8, but his team lost the series and it was called ''empty stat padding''. Now, when Durant puts up crazy stats but his team loses we sing different song than we did with Lebron eh? We should respect this ''empty stats padding'' now with Durant right ripthekik? Even if his team lost?


I don't really think about Durant what I wrote above(of course we should respect him and he should get praise for the way he has been playing lately), I just want to show the double standards and hypocrisy by the retards like ripthekik when it comes to Lebron.


Word. :applause:

[Solefade]

Durant vs Grizz g1-2 = 35.5 pts, 13 reb, 7.5 ast.

Lebron vs Magic g1-2 = 42pts, 5 reb, 8 ast.

Durant is playing the better team. And after these 2 games, Lebron shot 42% for the rest of the series.

Pretty sure the 2009 Magic are better than the Grizzlies, they almost beat the most stacked team of the league that year in the finals.

[KG215]

Lebron was doing all this what Durant is doing right now, and much more in Cleveland with even weaker teams than OKC is right now without Westbrook. And you know what you and your kind of breed were saying? It's just ''empty stats'', ''Lebron ball'' etc,....

Yeah, I don't know about that part. OKC, without Westbrook, is very comparable to LeBron's Cavs teams.

[KG215]

Pretty sure the 2009 Magic are better than the Grizzlies, they almost beat the most stacked team of the league that year in the finals.
At the absolute best it's debatable. Orlando only won 3 more games that year than the Grizzlies this year, and the East was just as weak then as it is right now. Orlando was a 101.9 DRtg team and the Grizzlies are a 100.3 DRtg team. Orlando had the better defensive anchor, but Memphis has better perimeter and team defense in my opinion.

[AlphaWolf24]

Pretty sure the 2009 Magic are better than the Grizzlies, they almost beat the most stacked team of the league that year in the finals.


Lakers had 2 allstars....Cavs had 2 allstars.....

Cavs had a much better bench so once again...



April 2013

[KG215]

Lakers had 2 allstars....Cavs had 2 allstars.....

Cavs had a much better bench so once again...



April 2013
Yeah...cause it's that simple. Mo Williams = Pau Gasol.

[LBJ 23]

Yeah, I don't know about that part. OKC, without Westbrook, is very comparable to LeBron's Cavs teams.


Martin is better second option than Mo Wilimas and Ibaka as the best shotblocker in the league is way better as any big Lebron played with. Of course, not looking just at the last 2-3 games to evaluate Ibaka and Martin.

[LikeABosh]

God this thread is awful. Your obsession with Lebron's legacy is ridiculous OP.

[KG215]

Martin is better second option than Mo Wilimas
No, he's not. Not at this point in his career.


And Ibaka as the best shotblocker in the league is way better as any big Lebron played with. Of course, not looking just at the last 2-3 games to evaluate Ibaka and Martin.
Ibaka I'll give you, because he's not as bad as he's been playing the last few games. But I don't see how anyone can definitively say Kevin Martin is better than Mo Williams was in 2009 and 2010. And with Ibaka, he played really well off Westbrook. This is the first time in his you career he's having to play without Russ, someone who he's pretty reliant on to get him a lot of his easier shots, and it's showing.

[aburre21]

No, he's not. Not at this point in his career.


Ibaka I'll give you, because he's not as bad as he's been playing the last few games. But I don't see how anyone can definitively say Kevin Martin is better than Mo Williams was in 2009 and 2010. And with Ibaka, he played really well off Westbrook. This is the first time in his you career he's having to play without Russ, someone who he's pretty reliant on to get him a lot of his easier shots, and it's showing.


he's a better scorer/shooter than Mo Williams, they both are pretty useless on defense....I'll take Kevin Martin

[LBJ 23]

No, he's not. Not at this point in his career.




You're right, statistically-wise Mo was slightly better.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options. Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Bynum

Lebron's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options Mo Williams, Past His Prime Shaq, and Antawn Jamison.


You do realize that Bynum averaged 6 points per game and 8 points per game in the playoffs during their b2b championship runs.

Not really what i'd call a scoring option

[KG215]

he's a better scorer/shooter than Mo Williams, they both are pretty useless on defense....I'll take Kevin Martin
And Mo Williams was a better ball-handler, playmaker, and could somewhat create offense off the bounce.

[Ne 1]

Yeah...cause it's that simple. Mo Williams = Pau Gasol.

Sure, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison weren't superstar co-runners and the Cavs roster didn't look great on paper outside of LeBron, but they were always a top defensive and top rebounding team under Mike Brown and in LeBron's last two years, one of the top 3 point shooting teams. They assembled a well built team with appropriate pieces that fit and complimented Lebron's game, strengths and playing style.

It's pretty much the same formula in Miami: surround LeBron with shooters and hustlers, scrappy defenders/rebounders, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive and let LeBron control the offense. Only (and big) difference is he has another superstar who can get his own shot anytime in Wade and not to mention a stretch 4 who was the face of a franchise that would be the best player on most other teams in the league and is a freaking 3rd option.

[KG215]

Sure, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison weren't superstar co-runners and the Cavs roster didn't look great on paper outside of LeBron, but they were always but they were always a top defensive and top rebounding team under Mike Brown and in LeBron's last two years, one of the top 3 point shooting teams. They assembled a well built team with appropriate pieces that fit and complimented Lebron's game, strengths and playing style.

It's pretty much the same formula in Miami: surround LeBron with shooters and hustlers, scrappy defenders/rebounders, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive and let LeBron control the offense. Only (and big) difference is he has another superstar who can get his own shot anytime in Wade and not to mention a stretch 4 who was the face of a franchise that would be the best player on most other teams in the league and is a freaking 3rd option.
Which is HUGE in the playoffs.

[Solefade]

Sure, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison weren't superstar co-runners and the Cavs roster didn't look great on paper outside of LeBron, but they were always but they were always a top defensive and top rebounding team under Mike Brown and in LeBron's last two years, one of the top 3 point shooting teams. They assembled a well built team with appropriate pieces that fit and complimented Lebron's game, strengths and playing style.

It's pretty much the same formula in Miami: surround LeBron with shooters and hustlers, scrappy defenders/rebounders, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive and let LeBron control the offense. Only (and big) difference is he has another superstar who can get his own shot anytime in Wade and not to mention a stretch 4 who was the face of a franchise that would be the best player on most other teams in the league and is a freaking 3rd option.

Lol they actually have a real system in Miami instead of LeBron iso at the top of the key. Come on now man. And Also, Mo Williams wasn't even considered at All-Star let alone a superstar lol.

[Solefade]

Lakers had 2 allstars....Cavs had 2 allstars.....

Cavs had a much better bench so once again...



April 2013

When did Cavs have two all-stars? Oh you mean after 2-3 players got injured before All-star weekend and Mo finally got the call?





Dumb Kobe stan.

[Solefade]

he's a better scorer/shooter than Mo Williams, they both are pretty useless on defense....I'll take Kevin Martin


I'd take Kevin Martin, it was frustrating as **** to watch Mo play most nights because he was so inconsistent. K-Mart doesn't do anything else besides score but at least he's consistent. Averaging 14-15ppg as a 3rd option is nothing to sneeze at even at this point in his career.

[KG215]

I'd take Kevin Martin, it was frustrating as **** to watch Mo play most nights because he was so inconsistent. K-Mart doesn't do anything else besides score but at least he's consistent. Averaging 14-15ppg as a 3rd option is nothing to sneeze at even at this point in his career.
Well, at least you've confirmed you haven't been watching any OKC playoff games. And hell, he wasn't all that consistent the second half of the season either.

[Ne 1]

You're right, statistically-wise Mo was slightly better.

As much as LeBron fan boys like to disparage him, if you watched him in Milwaukee Mo was much more than a stationery catch and shoot jump shooter...but that's what LeBron (and Mike Brown's system) made him, he actually scored and assisted more than he did in Cleveland (partly because LeBron is so ball-dominant, he needs the ball in his hands to dominate, especially in the half court) Jamison was averaging 20 a game on 45-46% shooting for 10 straight years, but suddenly in Cleveland he forgot how to score and was a scrub?

It goes on and on...


It just amazes me that after a series loss to Boston (a team that was 5 points from the title) every guy expect for LeBron that was on what was believed to be the best and deepest team in the league was then considered to be a worthless scrub, :lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

Durant's trying to flop OKC into the Finals.

[Solefade]

Well, at least you've confirmed you haven't been watching any OKC playoff games. And hell, he wasn't all that consistent the second half of the season either.

I've already acknowledged they've been underperforming as of late but by no means from just a raw talent stand point are they worse than the former Cavs squads. You take LeBron off that team and they automatically drop to the lottery. There's still evidence of how shitty that squad was from the day he left until now even with Kyrie on that team.

[chosen_wun]

It just amazes me that after a series loss to Boston (a team that was 5 points from the title) every guy expect for LeBron that was on what was believed to be the best and deepest team in the league was then considered to be a worthless scrub, :lol
It showed the following year when he left ... these guys collectively became the worst team in the league.

Inrefutable proof that no amount of smiley faces can deny.

[KG215]

I've already acknowledged they've been underperforming as of late but by no means from just a raw talent stand point are they worse than the former Cavs squads. You take LeBron off that team and they automatically drop to the lottery. There's still evidence of how shitty that squad was from the day he left until now.
And where the hell do you think this team is if you remove Durant? And I mean the team right now, without Westbrook, too. They're sure as hell not a playoff team. They might be one of the 5 worst teams in the league.

And a team having more raw talent doesn't mean they're better. And the only player that gives OKC the "raw talent" advantage is a 23 year old with a very raw offensive game who feeds off the one player on the team that's out for the rest of the year.

[Solefade]

And where the hell do you think this team is if you remove Durant? And I mean the team right now, without Westbrook, too. They're sure as hell not a playoff team. They might be one of the 5 worst teams in the league.

And a team having more raw talent doesn't mean they're better. And the only player that gives OKC the "raw talent" advantage is a 23 year old with a very raw offensive game who feeds off the one player on the team that's out for the rest of the year.

Pretty sure with guys like Ibaka, Perk, Reg Jackson, K-Mart, Thabo, Collison, they might be a borderline 8th seed in the west rather than a definite lottery team like the Cavs after LeBron left.

I'm not sure why you're reaching so far to try to prove that this Thunder team is just as bad or worse than those Cavs squad because to me, it's quite obvious just like how KD isn't as good as LeBron in the sense that he doesn't impact every single play defense or offense.

[KG215]

It showed the following year when he left ... these guys collectively became the worst team in the league.

Inrefutable proof that no amount of smiley faces can deny.
No, it's not "inrefutable" proof, because it wasn't the same team sans-LeBron in 2011. And inrefutable isn't a word.

Mo Williams got traded before the deadline; Antawn missed around 20 games; Shaq was gone; Delonte was gone; and Varejao missed like 50 games.

The only main playoff contributor from 2010 that played almost the whole season in 2011 was Anthony Parker was was in his mid-30's and I'm pretty sure that was his last season in the NBA.

[KG215]

Pretty sure with guys like Ibaka, Perk, Reg Jackson, K-Mart, Thabo, Collison, they might be a borderline 8th seed in the west rather than a definite lottery team like the Cavs after LeBron left.
Yeah, we're done here. You've clearly proven you're clueless.

Ibaka, Perk, Reggie Jackson, Kevin Martin, Thabo, and Collison would be a "borderline 8th seed in the West" where it would take 45+ wins most years to get the 8-seed. :roll: :roll:

[Ne 1]

It showed the following year when he left ... these guys collectively became the worst team in the league.

Inrefutable proof that no amount of smiley faces can deny.

This is disingenuous. That Cavs team that lost 26 straight games had starting line ups during the year of Alonzo Gee/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions/Samardo Samuels and Christian Eyenga/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Antawn Jamison/Manny Harris and Byron Scott as the head coach. How is that any reflection of LeBron James or the 2010 Cavs? Please explain this rationale.

The team the following year was riddled with injuries. Not to mention the loss of Shaq and Big Z, they would been a significant improvement over the undersized front court they had. They didn't even have a legitimate replacement for LeBron. And aside from losing LeBron the team was without the previous year starting center, backup center and combo-guard playmaker off the bench.

Even the 2011 Cavs when healthy had a ready made team for a superstar. Shooters, and hustlers, all that was missing was a player get their own shot or create their own offense. That was their problem. They basically assembled a team that was catered to LeBrons strengths and playing style or any superstar wing for that matter.

Also it's actually not uncommon that a team will struggle without their star player. In 1997 the Spurs were a lottery team without David Robinson. Look at the Magic without Dwight Howard IMO. The problem isn't solely because of LeBron leaving. It's the team they built, they were pretty much a one man show on offense. Similar to the 2001 Sixers with Iverson. That doesn't mean they were playing with a bunch of bums, it was just the team they built around them. The Cavs plan was clear. Surround LeBron with defenders/rebounders, shooters and hustlers, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive.

[KingBeasley08]

Not as good as Jeremy Lin though, right Chang? :lol

[Solefade]

Yeah, we're done here. You've clearly proven you're clueless.

Ibaka, Perk, Reggie Jackson, Kevin Martin, Thabo, and Collison would be a "borderline 8th seed in the West" where it would take 45+ wins most years to get the 8-seed. :roll: :roll:

Despite their respective conferences, the main point is this team is already better on paper than a Cavs "Mo Williams-led" squad. There's really no debate.

[KG215]

Despite their respective conferences, the main point is this team is already better on paper than a Cavs "Mo Williams-led" squad. There's really no debate.
There absolutely is a debate. I'm not saying OKC is clearly worse, but your insinuation that the Cavs sans-LeBron are easily, irrefutably, indisputably, worse than this Thunder team without Durant is hilarious. Either you're trolling or just incredibly stupid. There's really no other option.

[Solefade]

This is disingenuous. That Cavs team that lost 26 straight games had starting line ups during the year of Alonzo Gee/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions/Samardo Samuels and Christian Eyenga/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Antawn Jamison/Manny Harris and Byron Scott as the head coach. How is that any reflection of LeBron James or the 2010 Cavs? Please explain this rationale.

The team the following year was riddled with injuries. Not to mention the loss of Shaq and Big Z, they would been a significant improvement over the undersized front court they had. They didn't even have a legitimate replacement for LeBron. And aside from losing LeBron the team was without the previous year starting center, backup center and combo-guard playmaker off the bench.

Even the 2011 Cavs when healthy had a ready made team for a superstar. Shooters, and hustlers, all that was missing was a player get their own shot or create their own offense. That was their problem. They basically assembled a team that was catered to LeBrons strengths and playing style or any superstar wing for that matter.

Also it's actually not uncommon that a team will struggle without their star player. In 1997 the Spurs were a lottery team without David Robinson. Look at the Magic without Dwight Howard IMO. The problem isn't solely because of LeBron leaving. It's the team they built, they were pretty much a one man show on offense. Similar to the 2001 Sixers with Iverson. That doesn't mean they were playing with a bunch of bums, it was just the team they built around them. The Cavs plan was clear. Surround LeBron with defenders/rebounders, shooters and hustlers, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive.

Lol LeBron is one of the easiest superstars to adapt to because of his unselfishness and great passing skills. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

So Kyrie who joined the team couldn't take them out of the lottery in 2011-12. What does that mean then?

[chosen_wun]

Basically just providing a strawman arguments ok. Whether Jamison was active or not, the team was still terrible with and without him. They were trash with Williams in the line-up, even if he stayed pass the dead line they would have continued to be trash. Shaq and Big Z are not impact players anymore at that point, Hickson and Varaejo were their best big men regardless. Like c'mon now...

Williams
Parker
--------
Jamison
Andy

would have been a bottom feeder even if they played all 82 games together.

[Solefade]

There absolutely is a debate. I'm not saying OKC is clearly better, but your insinuation that the Cavs sans-LeBron are easily, irrefutably, indisputably, worse than this Thunder team without Durant is hilarious. Either you're trolling or just incredibly stupid. There's really no other option.

AT BEST it's debatable. But we'll just agree to disagree but this is how I see it: How many of those Cavs players in 2009 would start over the current Thunder players on this squad? None of those bigs on the Cavs would start over Ibaka, Collison, or Perk...Hell, even Thabeet.

[Ne 1]

Lol LeBron is one of the easiest superstars to adapt to because of his unselfishness and great passing skills. I'm not sure what you're talking about.


Yes, but sometimes jack of all trades master of none "unselfish" types don't always get the job done. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade ... they did everything well, have great all around games. But they could still go flip a switch and be the absolute best player on the floor at a certain aspect of the game IE scoring.

Look at LeBron's 2010 and 2011 failures. He had a very limited offensive game. It was either transition dunk, or jacking a three off the dribble. In 2012, he improved footwork, post game, his aggressive mentality and added a pinch post reliable post game...and he finally started to develop a consistent mid range-ish scoring game. And BAM ... wins his first ring.



So Kyrie who joined the team couldn't take them out of the lottery in 2011-12. What does that mean then?


I said when healthy they had a team ready made for a superstar, rookie Kyrie isn't a superstar and they weren't the same team anyway. This is a non-sequitur and a poor argument to boot.

[KG215]

AT BEST it's debatable. But we'll just agree to disagree but this is how I see it: How many of those Cavs players in 2009 would start over the current Thunder players on this squad? None of those bigs on the Cavs would start over Ibaka, Collison, or Perk...Hell, even Thabeet.
Big Z and Varejao either one absolutely would start over Perkins. Perkins is the worst starting center in the NBA. Hell, he might be the worst starter period in the NBA. And both are easily better than Thabeet. If you want to argue the Cavs teams were worse, fine, but at least try to make good arguments.

[Ne 1]

Basically just providing a strawman arguments ok. Whether Jamison was active or not, the team was still terrible with and without him. They were trash with Williams in the line-up, even if he stayed pass the dead line they would have continued to be trash. Shaq and Big Z are not impact players anymore at that point, Hickson and Varaejo were their best big men regardless. Like c'mon now...

Williams
Parker
--------
Jamison
Andy

would have been a bottom feeder even if they played all 82 games together.

None of this has nothing to do with the points I made.

[tazb]

do you ever wonder why people discredit everything you say?

2008-2009 Magic
-Magic are the #1 defensive team

2008-2009 Dwight
-Defensive Player of the Year
-All-Defensive Team
-4th in MVP Voting
-1st in Off Reb
-1st in Def Reb
-1st in Blocks
-4th in FG %
-1st in BPG
-4th in PER


2012-2013 Grizzlies
-2nd Defensive Team

2012-2013 Gasol
-Def Player of the Year
-10th BPG


You keep reaching...just stop! We know Durant is going HAM, but everything has to be about Lebron for you...you need to come clean to your therpaist on this obsession of yours or you're gonna go looking for a bridge soon


:eek: dat ether god damn. ripthefag won't be back in this thread. :lol

[chosen_wun]

None of this has nothing to do with the points I made.
I'm just now seeing your post, I was replying to another one.

edit: I see you and the other dude are providing some of the same tired arguments.

I am not interested in being convinced how great that supporting cast was.

[ripthekik]

:eek: dat ether god damn. ripthefag won't be back in this thread. :lol
:kobe:
this guy only comes in to cherry pick. what a faaaag.

Other than dwight howard, who doesn't guard lebron, that magic team is not a defensive team. Do you think it's comparative to this grizzly team? Please :oldlol:

that magic team is a joke. This grizzly team is serious business. They're a contender right now, and Durant is carrying a team to battle them.

[KG215]

I'm just now seeing your post, I was replying to another one.

edit: I see you and the other dude are providing some of the same tired arguments.

I am not interested in being convinced how great that supporting cast was.
I wasn't trying to argue how "great" or even "good" the supporting cast was. You said it was some sort of "inrefutable" evidence because the same team was the worst in the league last year. When, in fact, it wasn't close to the same team and they were injured and shuffling lineups the entire season.

You know, you haven't been around long, but you've quickly worked your way into the upper echelon of worst/most annoying LeBron stans. At this rate, you'll be giving pauk a serious run for his money within the next few months.

[Solefade]

Yes, but sometimes jack of all trades master of none "unselfish" types don't always get the job done. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade ... they did everything well, have great all around games. But they could still go flip a switch and be the absolute best player on the floor at a certain aspect of the game IE scoring.

Look at LeBron's 2010 and 2011 failures. He had a very limited offensive game. It was either transition dunk, or jacking a three off the dribble. In 2012, he improved footwork, post game, his aggressive mentality and added a pinch post reliable post game...and he finally started to develop a consistent mid range-ish scoring game. And BAM ... wins his first ring.



I said when healthy they had a team ready made for a superstar, rookie Kyrie isn't a superstar and they weren't the same team anyway. This is a non-sequitur and a poor argument to boot.

Wait so are we talking about LeBron/MJ/Kobe or the role players for former Cavs/current Thunder? Going off a track a little buddy.

[Solefade]

Big Z and Varejao either one absolutely would start over Perkins. Perkins is the worst starting center in the NBA. Hell, he might be the worst starter period in the NBA. And both are easily better than Thabeet. If you want to argue the Cavs teams were worse, fine, but at least try to make good arguments.

That really depends on the situation because they're absolute shit post defenders. Perkins would have been extremely valuable to the Cavs team in 2009 to guard Dwight who Perkins guards historically well.

[Ne 1]

I am not interested in being convinced how great that supporting cast was.

Now you're distorting what I said. Nobody is trying to convince you of anything, all I've done is state the truth, the roster didn't look great on paper, but they were always a top rebounding and top defensive under Mike Brown team and also a top 3 point shooting team in in '09 and '10.

[chosen_wun]

I wasn't trying to argue how "great" or even "good" the supporting cast was. You said it was some sort of "inrefutable" evidence because the same team was the worst in the league last year. When, in fact, it wasn't close to the same team and they were injured and shuffling lineups the entire season.

You know, you haven't been around long, but you've quickly worked your way into the upper echelon of worst/most annoying LeBron stans. At this rate, you'll be giving pauk a serious run for his money within the next few months.
http://data.whicdn.com/images/32007755/tumblr_m6o3mxlDLt1qakh7jo1_500_large.gif

That means a lot to me, thank you:cheers:

(FYI i quickly learned that there is no use in being a rationale poster on this forum because it's basically 99% troll threads. So I took on the
can't beat em, join em approach:dancin)

[LBJ 23]

:kobe:
that magic team is a joke. .


So minus 1 ring for Kobe then. Or just 0.5 ring? :roll:

[Nevaeh]

Yes, but sometimes jack of all trades master of none "unselfish" types don't always get the job done. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade ... they did everything well, have great all around games. But they could still go flip a switch and be the absolute best player on the floor at a certain aspect of the game IE scoring.




Lines like this let me know right off the bat that Lebron haters:

A: Never watch Lebron play
B: Never watched the players that they compare to Lebron play
C: Completely missed Miami's playoff run last year as a way of "protest"

The only players that you listed who had the"switch" on any consistent level were Bird and MJ. Wade has has history of not being healthy enough to stay consistent, and Kobe was never consistent enough on offense during his playoff runs (let alone regular seasons), except maybe one or two, even with scoring being his "Main Trade", to be given the "score at will" rep.

TLDR version:

Both you and Rip are, and have always been, full of sh!t.

[Solefade]

So minus 1 ring for Kobe then. Or just 0.5 ring? :roll:

Nice one. :applause:

[KG215]

That really depends on the situation because they're absolute shit post defenders. Perkins would have been extremely valuable to the Cavs team in 2009 to guard Dwight who Perkins guards historically well.
2009 Perkins, sure. 2013 Perkins...no. He's nowhere close to the same one-on-one post defender he was from 2008-2010. He's shitty at even that, now.

[PickernRoller]

Leave it to LeTisk queers to turn this thread into a shitfest. So many alts and trolls....

The thread title is clear - Durant is taking over like a superstar should. Looking at the numbers and his performances(eye-test) - he's doing just that in the absence of Westbrook.

All of the queers here can f'ck off.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Leave it to LeTisk queers to turn this thread into a shitfest. So many alts and trolls....

The thread title is clear - Durant is taking over like a superstar should. Looking at the numbers and his performances(eye-test) - he's doing just that in the absence of Westbrook.

All of the queers here can f'ck off.

But that would mean you need to leave as well.

[Magic 32]

Pretty sure the 2009 Magic are better than the Grizzlies, they almost beat the most stacked team of the league that year in the finals.

4-1. All Kobe.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wQ_rSruShhk/SjXChqzS7mI/AAAAAAAAGLw/iMilPmkLdK8/s400/kobe.jpg

[K Xerxes]

I would argue that Durant, on the basis of his first two games, has performed just as well as LeBron in the Orlando series (if not better). Now, that could change, and I expect it to change when they play in Memphis (unlikely that Durant averages 35-13-7 for the rest), but what he has done is absolutely spectacular, last 3 minutes of game 2 included.

When people bring up the relative supporting casts, you have to consider the length of time that Durant has had to adjust for Westbrook's absence. This is a team that has been thrown in this situation with their second best player gone and their fluidity disrupted. The '09 Cavs played the same way for years. They were defensively solid, which OKC are not. Yes, Ibaka is better than anyone on the Cavs team other than LeBron, but he has been shit this series and the rest of the team hasn't been great. Martin was solid in game one, but he has been wildly inconsistent since Westbrook went down. Perkins is just... well, you know.

Both coaches are absolutely awful. Brooks and Brown both implement no offensive sets and have relied on 'give the ball to Durant and hope he makes the right play'. Brown is a better defensive coach though.

On the whole, take nothing away from Durant. Yes, he didn't finish off game 2, but he dropped 36-11-9 for god sake. This is the best defensive team in the league he's playing and he is absolutely carrying this team. Durant is a special, special player. He truly is.

[KG215]

When people bring up the relative supporting casts, you have to consider the length of time that Durant has had to adjust for Westbrook's absence. This is a team that has been thrown in this situation with their second best player gone and their fluidity disrupted. The '09 Cavs played the same way for years. They were defensively solid, which OKC are not. Yes, Ibaka is better than anyone on the Cavs team other than LeBron, but he has been shit this series and the rest of the team hasn't been great. Martin was solid in game one, but he has been wildly inconsistent since Westbrook went down. Perkins is just... well, you know.
Thank you. This is something all the LeBron stans are completely ignoring or just totally unaware of. Just two weeks ago they were thrown a huge curveball by losing their second best player, who's an All-NBA caliber player and top 3 PG. If this had happened back in March or early April, and they had more time to adjust and get used to playing without him, fine; but they've had 2 weeks and 6 games to adjust, on the fly, in the playoffs...and now they're playing the best or second best defensive team in the NBA.

LeBron's supporting casts were far from impressive. But they had multiple entire 82-game seasons to at least acclimate and get used to playing with each other as constructed.

[ripthekik]

Leave it to LeTisk queers to turn this thread into a shitfest. So many alts and trolls....

The thread title is clear - Durant is taking over like a superstar should. Looking at the numbers and his performances(eye-test) - he's doing just that in the absence of Westbrook.

All of the queers here can f'ck off.
:applause:
yeap. Duno why they so salty.