Vassilis Spanoulis Named 2013 Euroleague MVP

[Euroleague]

Vassilis Spanoulis 2013 Euroleague MVP Award Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDuOOXs_o3I

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http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/113134/180

Vassilis Spanoulis, named bwin MVP of the 2012-13 Turkish Airlines Euroleague

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45276/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/9fa/filename/family.jpg

Vassilis Spanoulis of Olympiacos Piraeus was named 2012-13 bwin Euroleague MVP at the EFES Euroleague Awards Ceremony held at the City Hall in London, England on Thursday. The day before the semifinals tip-off at The O2, the best players from the Final Four teams gathered with the rest of the global basketball elite attending the 2013 Turkish Airlines Euroleague Final Four. The attending members of the All-Euroleague First Team received their awards too, but it was Spanoulis who walked away with the biggest of them all. Spanoulis joined Nenad Krstic of CSKA Moscow, Ante Tomic of FC Barcelona Regal and Rudy Fernandez of Real Madrid, plus former Euroleague MVP Dimitris Diamantidis of Panathinaikos Athens, on the All-Euroleague First Team. Kostas Papanikolaou of Olympiacos received the Rising Star award and Bobby Brown of Montepaschi Siena was on hand to pick up the Alphonso Ford Top Scoring trophy. Tomic and Fernandez were each named to the All-Euroleague Team for the first time in their respective careers. Diamantidis claimed First Team honors for the fourth time, while Spanoulis and Krstic each received First Team trophies for the second time. Spanoulis, a two-time Final Four MVP in as many appearances in the event, was chosen as the Euroleague MVP for the first time.

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45282/26bd4481-b158-4149-974c-6a6a43c9d5e0/11b/filename/vspan.jpg

Impressive as they are, statistics only tell part of the story for Spanoulis, who is the unquestionable leader of defending Turkish Airlines Euroleague champion Olympiacos Piraeus. Spanoulis, 30, is the ultimate combo-guard, who can lift his team with his scoring and passing, which go hand in hand to plague opposing defenses. He ranked among the league leaders in both categories, placing fourth in scoring (14.7 ppg.) and third in assists (5.59 apg.). The inability to guard Spanoulis is well represented by the fact that he led the league in fouls drawn (5.41 per game). All told, he is ninth in the league in average performance index rating (15.4). Spanoulis got the Reds rolling early this season and was duly rewarded as bwin MVP for November. He scored at least 9 points in every game before the playoffs, and when his shooting slumped in the series against Anadolu Efes, Spanoulis took over to lead the playoffs in assists (6.6 apg.). Now in his third season with Olympiacos, Spanoulis is also a two-time Euroleague champ, and a two-time Final Four MVP. This marks his fifth All-Euroleague selection.

Thursday, May 09, 2013

Euroleague.net


Euroleague Awards Ceremony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLwkorPyxvs


Vassilis Spanoulis Euroleague MVP Interview


Interviewer: You must be thrilled to win this MVP award?

Vassilis Spanoulis:

"Yes, it's nice because my team goes to the Final Four, because this is the most important. When you take something individually, everything is good, whenever your team has succeeded to make something. So that's why I have a double pleasure, because, first of all my team goes to Final Four, and we have the chance to..to make something good again."

Interviewer: What's made the difference for you this year? How have you been so consistently good, right the way through the season?

Vassilis Spanoulis:

"Working hard, being emotionally in a balance with my feelings, not so much up and not so much down, and every time trying to work harder and harder, see the mistakes and improve it every day."

Vassilis Spanoulis Euroleague MVP Interview Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWhq6rDfHHo

[niko]

There is a Euroleague forum. This type of thing really should be there. It has nothing to do with the NBA.

[fpliii]

Euroleague - Are you doing a preview/predictions for the Final Four?

[maybeshewill13]

14/5 = MVP in Euroleague :yaohappy:

[jzek]

Rudy looks good in a suit.

[jzek]

14/5 = MVP in Euroleague :yaohappy:

LOL, wow. :eek:

If you ever need to argue that NBA > Euroleague then just point out the stat above. 14 and 5 aren't MVP numbers in a good league, sorry.

[Unbiased_one]

Euroleague.net

Who cares? He wouldn't even be an all-star in the NBA.

[Wavves]

There is a Euroleague forum. This type of thing really should be there. It has nothing to do with the NBA.

This.

[Bandito]

Isn't that they guy that chocked against Nigeria awhile ago in the olympics?

[Euroleague]

14/5 = MVP in Euroleague :yaohappy:

His average is 15/6 idiot.

It's funny because last year Andrei Kirilenko got the Euroleague MVP award averaging 14/8 --->

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003530&seasoncode=E2011

And this entire forum was claiming he had the most dominant Euroleague season ever and that he had the greatest stats in the history of European basketball.


Evidently, you are a freaking moron.

[Unbiased_one]

His average is 15/6 idiot.

It's funny because last year Andrei Kirilenko got the Euroleague MVP award averaging 14/8 --->

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003530&seasoncode=E2011

And this entire forum was claiming he had the most dominant Euroleague season ever and that he had the greatest stats in the history of European basketball.


Evidently, you are a freaking moron.


Yeah but having the best season in the recent history of european basketball doesn't really mean anything...cause it's like a division 2 compared to the nba. And there's no need to be insulting: 14/5 and 15/6 are basically the same thing, especially when he actually averaged 14.7/5.6.

All I need to know about the euroleague is that greece lost to nigeria, who got beaten by a sleepwalking usa by 80 points.

[jzek]

Serious question - how is 14 and 5 MVP-type numbers? :biggums:

LBJ gets those numbers in a quarter sometimes!

[Kews1]

Nobody cares

[Collie]

Nice, nearly as great in Euroleague as he was with the Rockets! :cheers:

[Trollsmasher]

15 points is good enough for the 4th place in scoring?
6 assists is enough for the 3rd place in assists?

:yaohappy:

[Dr.J4ever]

Yeah but having the best season in the recent history of european basketball doesn't really mean anything...cause it's like a division 2 compared to the nba. And there's no need to be insulting: 14/5 and 15/6 are basically the same thing, especially when he actually averaged 14.7/5.6.

All I need to know about the euroleague is that greece lost to nigeria, who got beaten by a sleepwalking usa by 80 points.

Well said. Nothing needs to be added to this.

[CeltsGarlic]

15 points is good enough for the 4th place in scoring?
6 assists is enough for the 3rd place in assists?

:yaohappy:

assists counts differently in Europe. If you bounce the ball its no longer an assist.

[Trollsmasher]

He scored at least 9 points in every game before the playoffs

This might be the greatest accomplishment of all time:lol :applause: :applause:

[Fiba basketball]

Serious question - how is 14 and 5 MVP-type numbers? :biggums:

LBJ gets those numbers in a quarter sometimes!
They count assist difrently in Europe so you can't look at them to see how good of a passer someone is . And in Europe it's a team game so players don't take a lot of shots even if they are best players on their teams .

[LikeABosh]

They all look sad to be there in that pic.

[dannywpt]

3rd most athetic player in the world :applause:

[Euroleague]

15 points is good enough for the 4th place in scoring?
6 assists is enough for the 3rd place in assists?

:yaohappy:

They actually play defense in Euroleague dumb ass. It's not like the ZERO DEFENSE NBA.

[dannywpt]

They actually play defense in Euroleague dumb ass. It's not like the ZERO DEFENSE NBA.

:blah

I'm European, but you are a joke

[Euroleague]

Euroleague Awards Ceremony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLwkorPyxvs


Vassilis Spanoulis Euroleague MVP Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWhq6rDfHHo

[treadster]

nice, props to him for winning this award:applause:

[Euroleague]

:blah

I'm European, but you are a joke

The NBA's defense is the JOKE. Even more than your posts.

[dannywpt]

Euroleague Awards Ceremony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLwkorPyxvs

It looks like they are being shamed in public. :yaohappy:

[jzek]

It looks like they are being shamed in public. :yaohappy:

:roll:

[King1991nba]

J.J. Reddick is better player than Spanoulis :oldlol:

[duskovujosevic]

congrats to V-Span. Guy is legend

[LikeABosh]

Serious question, is there not some shitty Euroleague forum where you can post stuff like this? Why do you feel the need to post this shit in an NBA forum

[andremiller07]

When Nenad Krstic is considered one of the elite, you know your league is a joke.

Hes better than at least 1/4 of the starting C's in the NBA right now, pretty sure most Thunder fans would not mind having him starting right now.

[Le Shaqtus]

If 15/6 is MVP worthy imagine what LeBron would do in the Euroleague.

40/15 on 65% shooting. Statue in every arena. LeEuroStomper.

[BoutPractice]

The argument that Euroleague is an inferior league BECAUSE 15/6 are MVP stats makes no sense whatsoever.

Euroleague is an inferior league, we all agree on that, but I don't get the logic at all...

Firstly, Euroleague games are only 40 minutes long, and the best teams are incredibly stacked, allowing them to bench players longer.
Secondly, Europe has a more team-oriented approach to basketball. Stars aren't allowed to keep the ball for a full possession and chuck random shots all game long.
Thirdly, assists aren't counted the same way. The NBA is notoriously generous when it comes to counting assists.

Finally and most importantly... those numbers in and of themselves don't prove anything. Theoretically, they could be the result of a league being the best defensive league in the world, a league where the players are so tough and the defensive schemes so well executed that scoring is extremely difficult.

[Kungfro]

What does China think about this? I think that's the question we all want to know.

[Derka]

Wrong forum.

[Droid101]

How many more does he need to catch up to Anthony Parker?

[chosen_wun]

Remember when the Euroleague Jordan, Anthony Parker, came to the NBA and became a role player for the raptors ?

[Sammyp]

Vaseline Spanner? Which NBA team does he play for? I thought this was an NBA forum?

[Partizan]

Rudy Fernandez deserved it more than Spanoulis, to be honest...
It was reported that he would win it, this is kind of a surprise...

[Euroleague]

How many more does he need to catch up to Anthony Parker?

Anthony Parker = 2 Euroleague MVPs and 1 Euroleague Final Four MVP

= 3 Euroleague MVPs in total

Vassilis Spanoulis = 1 Euroleague MVP and 2 Euroleague Final Four MVPs

= 3 Euroleague MVPs in total

Dimitris Diamantidis = 1 Euroleague MVP and 2 Euroleague Final Four MVPs

= 3 Euroleague MVPs in total



But the Final Four MVP is historically more important and significant because it was the original Euroleague MVP award. So in that sense, Diamantidis and Spanoulis already edged out Parker.

[Riley Martin]

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45276/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/9fa/filename/family.jpg

He looks really short, bald and old.

[Rooster]

The argument that Euroleague is an inferior league BECAUSE 15/6 are MVP stats makes no sense whatsoever.

Euroleague is an inferior league, we all agree on that, but I don't get the logic at all...

Firstly, Euroleague games are only 40 minutes long, and the best teams are incredibly stacked, allowing them to bench players longer.
Secondly, Europe has a more team-oriented approach to basketball. Stars aren't allowed to keep the ball for a full possession and chuck random shots all game long.
Thirdly, assists aren't counted the same way. The NBA is notoriously generous when it comes to counting assists.

Finally and most importantly... those numbers in and of themselves don't prove anything. Theoretically, they could be the result of a league being the best defensive league in the world, a league where the players are so tough and the defensive schemes so well executed :rolleyes: that scoring is extremely difficult.

Really.:rolleyes:

All kinda scrubs have led that minor league in scoring:oldlol:

Best defense?:oldlol:

Most of those Euro comes in here and hardly

Can guard a lick.

While It only took a season for AK 47 to be named

The best defensive player.:rolleyes:

It's easy to play defense when your best scorers

Are scrubs like Spanoulis, Bobby Brown Sonny Weems.:roll:

[Rooster]

congrats to V-Span. Guy is legend


Legend?

Euroleague has such a low standard

That a minor league stud

Is considered a legend.:oldlol:

In Houston, he was a failure mama's boy

Who could not hang with the GROWN men.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well this is a league in which most teams cant beat a Div II NCAA college team, the MVP really aint anything impressive.
:lol

[seanclayton]

Don't care. Anthony Parker is still GOAT.

[duskovujosevic]

Legend?

Euroleague has such a low standard

That a minor league stud

Is considered a legend.:oldlol:

In Houston, he was a failure mama's boy

Who could not hang with the GROWN men.


Euroleague is not minor league. Second best after NBA.

[Psileas]

The argument that Euroleague is an inferior league BECAUSE 15/6 are MVP stats makes no sense whatsoever.

Euroleague is an inferior league, we all agree on that, but I don't get the logic at all...

Firstly, Euroleague games are only 40 minutes long, and the best teams are incredibly stacked, allowing them to bench players longer.
Secondly, Europe has a more team-oriented approach to basketball. Stars aren't allowed to keep the ball for a full possession and chuck random shots all game long.
Thirdly, assists aren't counted the same way. The NBA is notoriously generous when it comes to counting assists.

Finally and most importantly... those numbers in and of themselves don't prove anything. Theoretically, they could be the result of a league being the best defensive league in the world, a league where the players are so tough and the defensive schemes so well executed that scoring is extremely difficult.

This is the most important thing to consider. There's no way in hell any serious EL team which wants to maximize its scoring efficiency lets any of its players take a crapload of shots and average 30 ppg. It USED to be the case in the past up to the mid-90's, then defenses became tougher, the game became quicker, the European leagues more coach-oriented, so a deep team nowadays has no reason to play so predictably. A top Euroleague team could now miss its top player and still contend for the title, whereas in the past, losing their top star could doom them to mediocrity.

Some people (barring trolls) claim that the reason such mediocre stats exist is that no top NBA names play there. I assure you, no player, NBA or not, would be entitled to take 25 FGA's per game under a EL coach, unless the team dominated, which is doubtful.

BTW, last time I checked, Jordan didn't average 40 ppg in the NCAA, either. Neither did Hakeem average 30/20, neither did Kareem average 40/20 or Wilt 60/25. So, if you people are that incapable of working out how the Euroleague team works, take as an example the NCAA, only with grown ups instead of 18-22 year olds.

[duskovujosevic]

basic principles of euroleague basketball:

COACH - he tends to have strong personality and discipline, majority of coaches in europe are Greg Popovich type. There is no way that you'll have a "supestar" who can jack up 25 shots. NO ****ING WAY.

TEAM - following instructions from your coach, everyone on the floor play for team, every action is for team benefit, no one cant act like a star, otherwise bench is waiting. Offense is controlled, until the last seconds.

DEFENSE - zones 1-3-1, 2-3, 3-2 are so perfectly executed that there is a no room for some crazy penetration points, add that court width is way shorter than NBA.

NBA and European basketball are two different worlds

[Euroleague]

Legend?

Euroleague has such a low standard

That a minor league stud

Is considered a legend.:oldlol:

In Houston, he was a failure mama's boy

Who could not hang with the GROWN men.

Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, Gary Neal, Reggie Williams, Jannero Pargo, Patrick Beverley, Goran Dragic, Zaza Pachulia, Flip Murray, Von Wafer, Tony Delk...............

Probably can list 50 such more cases...of NBA rotation players that were scrubs in Euroleague.

Seems very odd how guys that were scrubs in a "minor league" can so easily play in NBA rotations.

Very strange how they are scrubs in a minor league, but before and after that, they are rotation players in the NBA.

Yeah, makes a lot of sense. The Euroleague's trash heap is where the NBA gathers many of its rotation players.

NBA, where Euroleague scrubs become NBA rotation players happens.

[Euroleague]

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/euroleague/article2244891.ece/BINARY/w620/vspan3.jpg

http://www.redplanet.gr/Euro2012-LiveWebTV/article2244953.ece/BINARY/w620/span.JPG

http://www.redplanet.gr/Euro2012-LiveWebTV/article2244955.ece/BINARY/w620/TWO.JPG

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/euroleague/article2244890.ece/BINARY/w620/vspan2.jpg

http://www.redplanet.gr/test/article2244914.ece/BINARY/w620/mvp.JPG

[outbreak]

congrats to v-span. you trolls do realise the euro league is more team orientated and less about one player going iso 80% of the time and doing all your scoring?
V-span never fit the NBA style but he is perfect for the euro league where fundamentals are more essential then athleticism and one on one play.
Of course the NBA is undisputed the top league in the world but the Euroleague isn't trash like some of you claim

[Rooster]

congrats to v-span. you trolls do realise the euro league is more team orientated and less about one player going iso 80% of the time and doing all your scoring?
V-span never fit the NBA style but he is perfect for the euro league where fundamentals are more essential then athleticism and one on one play.
Of course the NBA is undisputed the top league in the world but the Euroleague isn't trash like some of you claim


We know:cheers:

We undestand:pimp:

Euroleague has no elite talent:confusedshrug:

So to speak

So they play that kinda game.:oldlol:

The last time players that has that elite talent

I am talking about the corpse version:oldlol:

Of Nique and McAdoo:bowdown:

Dominated that minor league:bowdown:

[KG215]

Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, Gary Neal, Reggie Williams, Jannero Pargo, Patrick Beverley, Goran Dragic, Zaza Pachulia, Flip Murray, Von Wafer, Tony Delk...............

Probably can list 50 such more cases...of NBA rotation players that were scrubs in Euroleague.

:oldlol:

I still see you believe this bullshit.

[Lateralus]

The D-league MVP trophy is far more respectable :applause:

[highwhey]

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/euroleague/article2244891.ece/BINARY/w620/vspan3.jpg

http://www.redplanet.gr/Euro2012-LiveWebTV/article2244953.ece/BINARY/w620/span.JPG

http://www.redplanet.gr/Euro2012-LiveWebTV/article2244955.ece/BINARY/w620/TWO.JPG

http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/euroleague/article2244890.ece/BINARY/w620/vspan2.jpg

http://www.redplanet.gr/test/article2244914.ece/BINARY/w620/mvp.JPG
damn...have to respect his style though :applause: the beard is pretty cool too.

their fashion sense is definitely better than westbrook and other nba players. :pimp:

[maybeshewill13]

His average is 15/6 idiot.

It's funny because last year Andrei Kirilenko got the Euroleague MVP award averaging 14/8 --->

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003530&seasoncode=E2011

And this entire forum was claiming he had the most dominant Euroleague season ever and that he had the greatest stats in the history of European basketball.


Evidently, you are a freaking moron.


Just the reaction I was hoping for :lol Mad as fuqqq.

Always a laugh Euroleague :lol

[Nick Young]

2.9ppg 18% 3Pfg shooter wins MVP awards in Europe:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nick Young]

congrats to v-span. you trolls do realise the euro league is more team orientated and less about one player going iso 80% of the time and doing all your scoring?
V-span never fit the NBA style but he is perfect for the euro league where fundamentals are more essential then athleticism and one on one play.
Of course the NBA is undisputed the top league in the world but the Euroleague isn't trash like some of you claim
fundamentals=18% 3 point set shots from your PGs?:confusedshrug:

[Rooster]

2.9ppg 18% 3Pfg shooter wins MVP awards in Europe:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

He look like a scrub when he was up against:oldlol:

The best players in the best league

But in a minor league.

He's a legend:roll:

Euroleague MVP:oldlol:

Is just a politically correct term:D

For Best Scrub Outside the NBA:oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

i used the max ammount of smileys permited per post for spanoulis

[Tmuston Beltics]

Remember that a game is 40 mins there.

[gabepizza]

Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, Gary Neal, Reggie Williams, Jannero Pargo, Patrick Beverley, Goran Dragic, Zaza Pachulia, Flip Murray, Von Wafer, Tony Delk...............

Probably can list 50 such more cases...Patrick Beverley.

Seems very odd how guys that were scrubs in a "minor league" can so easily play in NBA rotations.

Very strange how they are scrubs in a minor league, but before and after that, they are rotation players in the NBA.

Yeah, makes a lot of sense. The Euroleague's trash heap is where the NBA gathers many of its rotation players.

NBA, where Euroleague scrubs become NBA rotation players happens.

Yawn. Again lies, lies and more lies. Time now to use facts to prove that every example you gave is a lie.

1. Ty Lawson - played a total of 7 games in Euroleague
2. Ricky Rubio - was the starting pg for the Euroleague champion which he led in assists and steals. Also selected Euroleague Rising Star as the top Euroleague player 22 and under
3. Gary Neal - played a total of 7 games in Euroleague
4. Reggie Williams - played a total of 3 games in Euroleague
5. Jannero Pargo - averaged 12:31 mpg in Euroleague and 15:5 mpg in the NBA, and remember an NBA game is 8 minutes longer. I think a better example is his brother Jeremy Pargo who was selected all-Euroleague 2nd team, averaged 30 mpg in Euroleague and was the starting pg for a Euroleague Final Four team which he led in mpg, points and assists. He came over to the NBA this year and could not even make any NBA roster even as a 12th man.
6. Patrick Beverley - he was a scrub in Euroleague but in between Euroleague and the NBA he played in Eurocup which is the second tier league in Europe behind Euroleague and was selected the MVP of the whole league.
7. Goran Dragic - Euroleague stats 8.6 ppg 2.7 apg NBA stats 9.5 ppg and 2.7 apg and NBA stats are inflated because the game is 8 minutes longer, there are rules that favor the offense and it is easier to get assists counted.
8. Zaza Pachulia - Euroleague stats 4.2 ppg 2.6 rpg NBA stats 6.8 ppg and 5.5 rpg with NBA stats inflated because of the game being 8 minutes longer and rules favoring offense.
9. Flip Murray - played a total of 6 Euroleague games
10. Von Wafer - played a total of 3 Euroleague games
11. Tony Delk - Euroleague stats 7.5 ppg 1 apg NBA stats 9.1 ppg 1.9 apg

So every example you gave was a lie except Patrick Beverley and he between Euroleague and the NBA became the MVP of the 2nd level transnational basketball competition in Europe.

So come list 50 or more cases of Euroleague scrubs who are doing better in the NBA and I will show how they are all lies.

[Euroleague]

Yawn. Again lies, lies and more lies. Time now to use facts to prove that every example you gave is a lie.

1. Ty Lawson - played a total of 7 games in Euroleague
2. Ricky Rubio - was the starting pg for the Euroleague champion which he led in assists and steals. Also selected Euroleague Rising Star as the top Euroleague player 22 and under
3. Gary Neal - played a total of 7 games in Euroleague
4. Reggie Williams - played a total of 3 games in Euroleague
5. Jannero Pargo - averaged 12:31 mpg in Euroleague and 15:5 mpg in the NBA, and remember an NBA game is 8 minutes longer. I think a better example is his brother Jeremy Pargo who was selected all-Euroleague 2nd team, averaged 30 mpg in Euroleague and was the starting pg for a Euroleague Final Four team which he led in mpg, points and assists. He came over to the NBA this year and could not even make any NBA roster even as a 12th man.
6. Patrick Beverley - he was a scrub in Euroleague but in between Euroleague and the NBA he played in Eurocup which is the second tier league in Europe behind Euroleague and was selected the MVP of the whole league.
7. Goran Dragic - Euroleague stats 8.6 ppg 2.7 apg NBA stats 9.5 ppg and 2.7 apg and NBA stats are inflated because the game is 8 minutes longer, there are rules that favor the offense and it is easier to get assists counted.
8. Zaza Pachulia - Euroleague stats 4.2 ppg 2.6 rpg NBA stats 6.8 ppg and 5.5 rpg with NBA stats inflated because of the game being 8 minutes longer and rules favoring offense.
9. Flip Murray - played a total of 6 Euroleague games
10. Von Wafer - played a total of 3 Euroleague games
11. Tony Delk - Euroleague stats 7.5 ppg 1 apg NBA stats 9.1 ppg 1.9 apg

So every example you gave was a lie except Patrick Beverley and he between Euroleague and the NBA became the MVP of the 2nd level transnational basketball competition in Europe.

So come list 50 or more cases of Euroleague scrubs who are doing better in the NBA and I will show how they are all lies.

Yawn, lies, yawn, lies, yawn, lies, yawn.

Your level of hypocrisy is truly shocking. You claim Spanoulis was a scrub in the NBA, then you turn around and say guys that spent their time as 3rd stringers and mostly got DNP-CDs while they were in the Euroleague, "were not scrubs".

Your level of hypocrisy is appalling and sickening. You most definitely are a true psychopath.

[Shepseskaf]

Yawn, lies, yawn, lies, yawn, lies, yawn.
You have to do better than that. Go ahead and refute what was posted, point by point.

[gabepizza]

Yawn, lies, yawn, lies, yawn, lies, yawn.

Your level of hypocrisy is truly shocking. You claim Spanoulis was a scrub in the NBA, then you turn around and say guys that spent their time as 3rd stringers and mostly got DNP-CDs while they were in the Euroleague, "were not scrubs".

Your level of hypocrisy is appalling and sickening. You most definitely are a true psychopath.

Spanoulis played 31 games in the NBA and averaged 2.7 points per game. Everybody you mentioned either

A) Basically put up the same of stats in Euroleague as they do (did) in the NBA.
B) Played less than a total of 8 Euroleague games which is not a legit sample size.

with the exception of
1. Rubio - who was a top player on a Euroleague champion. There is no way you can deny that a player who leads a team in assists and was 4th in mpg was not one of the tops players on the team.
2. Patrick Beverly - Yes, again he is the one example you gave which is correct BUT, and now this is what makes you a troll, you conveniently left out that in between being a scrub and Euroleague and a rotation player in the NBA he was the MVP of the whole league of Eurocup, the 2nd best transnational European league after Euroleague..

[deja vu]

Spanoulis sucks. 4ppg average for the 2nd most athletic player in the world. :roll:

[Euroleague]

You have to do better than that. Go ahead and refute what was posted, point by point.

He is a ****ing lying sociopath.

How hard is it for you to go euroleague.net and check it yourself genius? This guy is claiming that because guys got DNP-CDs the whole time (while being 3rd string) that they cannot be called scrubs.

When that is the exact definition of a scrub. The guys that are 3rd string and usually just sit on the bench.

gabepizza is a pure psycopath and you are a freaking moron if you believe one word of what he says. You are also lazy as hell if you can't check it yourself.

[Euroleague]

Spanoulis played 31 games in the NBA and averaged 2.7 points per game. Everybody you mentioned either

A) Basically put up the same of stats in Euroleague as they do (did) in the NBA.
B) Played less than a total of 8 Euroleague games which is not a legit sample size.

with the exception of
1. Rubio - who was a top player on a Euroleague champion. There is no way you can deny that a player who leads a team in assists and was 4th in mpg was not one of the tops players on the team.
2. Patrick Beverly - Yes, again he is the one example you gave which is correct BUT, and now this is what makes you a troll, you conveniently left out that in between being a scrub and Euroleague and a rotation player in the NBA he was the MVP of the whole league of Eurocup, the 2nd best transnational European league after Euroleague..


Pathological LIAR.

[Clutch]

Pathological LIAR.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[gabepizza]

He is a ****ing lying sociopath.

How hard is it for you to go euroleague.net and check it yourself genius? This guy is claiming that because guys got DNP-CDs the whole time (while being 3rd string) that they cannot be called scrubs.

When that is the exact definition of a scrub. The guys that are 3rd string and usually just sit on the bench.

gabepizza is a pure psycopath and you are a freaking moron if you believe one word of what he says. You are also lazy as hell if you can't check it yourself.


Again lies, lies and more lies. The reason why those guys only played 7 games or less is because they came over during the NBA strikes (Ty Lawson) and came back to the NBA after the strikes.
As everybody knows even the scrubs play in games when there are blowouts and you can't honestly believe that every Euroleague game is close so scrubs get DNP for every game. Why do you think Spanoulis played in 31 games in the NBA as a super scrub?. When the games are out of reach McGrady and Yao get to sit down and the scrubs like Spanoulis get to play.

[KG215]

Pathological LIAR.
He hits you with facts and stats, and you resort to calling him names. Typical.

Go ahead, use your own factual information, stats, etc. to prove what he said is wrong. We all know you're too much of a bitch to do so, but at least attempt to do something other than call people names.

[Euroleague]

Again lies, lies and more lies. The reason why those guys only played 7 games or less is because they came over during the NBA strikes (Ty Lawson) and came back to the NBA after the strikes.
As everybody knows even the scrubs play in games when there are blowouts and you can't honestly believe that every Euroleague game is close so scrubs get DNP for every game. Why do you think Spanoulis played in 31 games in the NBA as a super scrub?. When the games are out of reach McGrady and Yao get to sit down and the scrubs like Spanoulis get to play.

Go burn in hell.

[Euroleague]

He hits you with facts and stats, and you resort to calling him names. Typical.

Go ahead, use your own factual information, stats, etc. to prove what he said is wrong. We all know you're too much of a bitch to do so, but at least attempt to do something other than call people names.

Have fun burning in hell with gabepizza.

[Kblaze8855]

Dude...if you cant explain why people are wrong stop claiming they are wrong. How hard is it to explain yourself?

You keep saying nothing and wondering why your topics become running jokes.

Some guys says Rubio was good in europe..."He was a scrub" isnt explaining otherwise. You claim to know thel eague. Explain why he wasnt good. Or why awards dont mean what someone who doesnt watch the league claims. Ive seen you say guys like Josh Childress who won awards/were named to all ___ teams sucked.

You are clearly...passionate. Not passionate enough to put in a little effort and explain the misconceptions?

[Nick Young]

Rubio lead his team to multiple euroleague titles as a 20 year old and is a scrub now?:roll: :roll: :roll: He was basically like Gary Payton mixed with Jason Kidd over there.

[Trollsmasher]

V-Span with 8/5/4 on 3/12 shooting (0/6 from three)

...

One of the better statlines of his career:applause:

Luckily Kyle Hines bailed him out with 16/10 in just 20 minutes:bowdown:

[bluechox2]

nba scrub win euroleague mvp on 15/6

[LBJMVP]

The argument that Euroleague is an inferior league BECAUSE 15/6 are MVP stats makes no sense whatsoever.

Euroleague is an inferior league, we all agree on that, but I don't get the logic at all...

Firstly, Euroleague games are only 40 minutes long, and the best teams are incredibly stacked, allowing them to bench players longer.
Secondly, Europe has a more team-oriented approach to basketball. Stars aren't allowed to keep the ball for a full possession and chuck random shots all game long.
Thirdly, assists aren't counted the same way. The NBA is notoriously generous when it comes to counting assists.

Finally and most importantly... those numbers in and of themselves don't prove anything. Theoretically, they could be the result of a league being the best defensive league in the world, a league where the players are so tough and the defensive schemes so well executed that scoring is extremely difficult.

and thats why an african team beat greece and then we went on to beat said african team by 80

[CavaliersFTW]

Again lies, lies and more lies. The reason why those guys only played 7 games or less is because they came over during the NBA strikes (Ty Lawson) and came back to the NBA after the strikes.
As everybody knows even the scrubs play in games when there are blowouts and you can't honestly believe that every Euroleague game is close so scrubs get DNP for every game. Why do you think Spanoulis played in 31 games in the NBA as a super scrub?. When the games are out of reach McGrady and Yao get to sit down and the scrubs like Spanoulis get to play.
That little Lego pic in your avatar probably haunts Euroleague in his sleep - you have been the bain of his existence since you started posting all the facts you've took the time to research. I'm glad someone i untangling the web of lies Euroleague has tried to spread. :lol I'd like to believe Euroleague sometimes but he just can't seem to post links or facts to back up his lies so he just can't be trusted.

[CavaliersFTW]

V-Span with 8/5/4 on 3/12 shooting (0/6 from three)

...

One of the better statlines of his career:applause:

Luckily Kyle Hines bailed him out with 16/10 in just 20 minutes:bowdown:
who? :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Rudy Fernandez deserved it more than Spanoulis, to be honest...
It was reported that he would win it, this is kind of a surprise...

The result of the voting went as follows:

1. Vassilis Spanoulis
2. Rudy Fernandez
3. Ante Tomic
4. Nenad Krstic
5. Dimitris Diamantidis (votes came from the fans)

[Euroleague]

Dude...if you cant explain why people are wrong stop claiming they are wrong. How hard is it to explain yourself?

You keep saying nothing and wondering why your topics become running jokes.

Some guys says Rubio was good in europe..."He was a scrub" isnt explaining otherwise. You claim to know thel eague. Explain why he wasnt good. Or why awards dont mean what someone who doesnt watch the league claims. Ive seen you say guys like Josh Childress who won awards/were named to all ___ teams sucked.

You are clearly...passionate. Not passionate enough to put in a little effort and explain the misconceptions?

If you can't figure out yet that guys like KG215, Nick Young, Rooster, gabepizza, and CavaliersFTW are clinically psychotic (especially the ones in bold), then you are an obvious idiot.

It's not even worth to even acknowledge people as ****ing CRAZY and INSANE as them.

[Dbrog]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

:coleman:

[Lateralus]

This dude go legit insane??

:biggums: :biggums:

[CavaliersFTW]

If you can't figure out yet that guys like KG215, Nick Young, Rooster, gabepizza, and CavaliersFTW are clinically psychotic (especially the ones in bold), then you are an obvious idiot.

It's not even worth to even acknowledge people as ****ing CRAZY and INSANE as them.
Even if we were all "clinically psychotic" what does that even have to do with Kblaze's post? He has a point... a little bit of background and source citation would go a long way - otherwise why should anyone trust you - whether sane or insane?

[Euroleague]

All of the psychotics - gabepizza, CavaliersFTW, Rooster, Nick Young, KG215 will be ignored from now on.

NEVER will I EVER acknowledged them or respond to any of their posts in this site at any time EVER again.

If someone like kblaze wants to know something about Euroleague, they need to send me a private message and ask. Posting in threads that imply support of the psychotic lunatics will be ignored.

And if people like kblaze keep insinuating that the lunatics are telling the truth, then they will be added to my infinite ignore list also.

Because anyone believing those lunatics is retarded, and I don't have time to deal with retards.

[Trollsmasher]

All of the psychotics - gabepizza, CavaliersFTW, Rooster, Nick Young, KG215 will be ignored from now on.

NEVER will I EVER acknowledged them or respond to any of their posts in this site at any time EVER again.

If someone like kblaze wants to know something about Euroleague, they need to send me a private message and ask. Posting in threads that imply support of the psychotic lunatics will be ignored.

And if people like kblaze keep insinuating that the lunatics are telling the truth, then they will be added to my infinite ignore list also.

Because anyone believing those lunatics is retarded, and I don't have time to deal with retards.
Damn, this ownage almost reaches the level of Theoo's one:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

All of the psychotics - gabepizza, CavaliersFTW, Rooster, Nick Young, KG215 will be ignored from now on.

NEVER will I EVER acknowledged them or respond to any of their posts in this site at any time EVER again.

If someone like kblaze wants to know something about Euroleague, they need to send me a private message and ask. Posting in threads that imply support of the psychotic lunatics will be ignored.

And if people like kblaze keep insinuating that the lunatics are telling the truth, then they will be added to my infinite ignore list also.

Because anyone believing those lunatics is retarded, and I don't have time to deal with retards.
:confusedshrug:

[KG215]

If you can't figure out yet that guys like KG215, gabepizza, and CavaliersFTW are clinically psychotic (especially the ones in bold), then you are an obvious idiot.

It's not even worth to even acknowledge people as ****ing CRAZY and INSANE as them.
Yet we're the ones that provide links and actual stats and facts to back-up what we say, and you result to calling people psychotic, racists, liars, etc.

So, let me ask, who's clinically psychotic one here?

[KG215]

All of the psychotics - gabepizza, CavaliersFTW, Rooster, Nick Young, KG215 will be ignored from now on.

NEVER will I EVER acknowledged them or respond to any of their posts in this site at any time EVER again.

If someone like kblaze wants to know something about Euroleague, they need to send me a private message and ask. Posting in threads that imply support of the psychotic lunatics will be ignored.

And if people like kblaze keep insinuating that the lunatics are telling the truth, then they will be added to my infinite ignore list also.

Because anyone believing those lunatics is retarded, and I don't have time to deal with retards.
It's like trying to have an argument or discussion with an 8 year old who, when they get mad, just resort to name-calling and ignoring you.

[KingBeasley08]

:applause: Props to V-Span for this accomplishment. I see that this is his first Euroleague MVP ever. I think we have to credit Deron Williams for this. After he went to the Euroleague and ended up being the GOAT and having his jersey retired after 3 months, Guard play shot up. I feel that if more NBA players can treat the Euroleague as hobby, the European leagues can be better.

It also helps for these same players to struggle in the NBA. Averaging 3 ppg in the NBA taught V-Span humility and that he should stay where he belongs. I've always believed that people should go where they fit. Span just wasn't good enough but realized that and went to a league that was worse but matched his skill level.


Congrats :applause:

[Kiddlovesnets]

NBA or NBDL scrubs shitting on Euroleague Players. Makes sense to me considering most of Euroleague teams get blown out by a Div II NCAA basketball team.
:lol

[Riley Martin]

Dude...if you cant explain why people are wrong stop claiming they are wrong. How hard is it to explain yourself?

You keep saying nothing and wondering why your topics become running jokes.

Some guys says Rubio was good in europe..."He was a scrub" isnt explaining otherwise. You claim to know thel eague. Explain why he wasnt good. Or why awards dont mean what someone who doesnt watch the league claims. Ive seen you say guys like Josh Childress who won awards/were named to all ___ teams sucked.

You are clearly...passionate. Not passionate enough to put in a little effort and explain the misconceptions?

Completely agree. Euroleague always tries to make threads personal instead of actually discussing basketball, especially when he's confronted with anything that conflicts with his views. He really does the Euroleague and international basketball a disservice. Even though he's only one person, I think people here on ISH would be way more open to foreign leagues like EL if it weren't for this poster.

[duskovujosevic]

Deron Williams played in Eurocup which is second division Euroleague.

His jersey was retired just in marketing purposes

[bingoa]

This thread is the closest thing to an Mental E-Breakdown

[Euroleague]

Deron Williams played in Eurocup which is second division Euroleague.

His jersey was retired just in marketing purposes

Deron Williams actually played in EuroChallenge, the third level European league, two league levels below the Euroleague.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Vassilis Spanoa..


Vasisilsis Spanio


Vassilis Spanotthatitmatters would get one of these in the NBA

http://www.awardsco.com/images/upload/items/RIB1-PAR.jpg

[gabepizza]

Completely agree. Euroleague always tries to make threads personal instead of actually discussing basketball, especially when he's confronted with anything that conflicts with his views. He really does the Euroleague and international basketball a disservice. Even though he's only one person, I think people here on ISH would be way more open to foreign leagues like EL if it weren't for this poster.


:applause:

[Euroleague]

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=253&seasoncode=E2012#!report

Olympiacos repeats as Euroleague champion!

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45587/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/6c7/filename/copa.jpg

For the second year in a row, Olympiacos Piraeus roared back from a double-digit deficit to become the Turkish Airlines Euroleague champion. The Reds bested Real Madrid 100-88 at The O2 in London after trailing by 17 at the end of the opening quarter and in doing so became just the fourth team to win back-to-back Euroleague titles in the Final Four era.


http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/london-2013/main-page/i/113633/7980/spanoulis-named-bwin-mvp-of-2013-final-four

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45588/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/6ff/filename/vassilis-spanoulis-olympiacos-piraeus-final-four-london-2013.jpg

Vassilis Spanoulis was voted bwin MVP for the 2013 Final Four in a vote by accredited media members at the Final Four. Spanoulis received the Final Four MVP honor for the third time in his career after leading Olympiacos Piraeus to the 2012-13 Turkish Airlines Euroleague title at The O2 in London. He joins the legendary Toni Kukoc as the only players to have been named Final Four MVP on three occasions.

Spanoulis becomes the second player in competition history to become Final Four MVP in the same season he was named Euroleague MVP. His former teammate Dimitris Diamantidis did the same in 2011.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=253&seasoncode=E2012#!report

Olympiacos repeats as Euroleague champion!

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45587/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/6c7/filename/copa.jpg

For the second year in a row, Olympiacos Piraeus roared back from a double-digit deficit to become the Turkish Airlines Euroleague champion. The Reds bested Real Madrid 100-88 at The O2 in London after trailing by 17 at the end of the opening quarter and in doing so became just the fourth team to win back-to-back Euroleague titles in the Final Four era.


http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/london-2013/main-page/i/113633/7980/spanoulis-named-bwin-mvp-of-2013-final-four

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45588/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/6ff/filename/vassilis-spanoulis-olympiacos-piraeus-final-four-london-2013.jpg

Vassilis Spanoulis was voted bwin MVP for the 2013 Final Four in a vote by accredited media members at the Final Four. Spanoulis received the Final Four MVP honor for the third time in his career after leading Olympiacos Piraeus to the 2012-13 Turkish Airlines Euroleague title at The O2 in London. He joins the legendary Toni Kukoc as the only players to have been named Final Four MVP on three occasions.

Spanoulis becomes the second player in competition history to become Final Four MVP in the same season he was named Euroleague MVP. His former teammate Dimitris Diamantidis did the same in 2011.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/goudelock_named_mvp_2013_04_25.html >>>>>>>> Euroleague MVP

[Euroleague]

The airport in London put this up on all their screens..........

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/OmadesBasket/A1Olympiakos/article2250101.ece/BINARY/w460/spanoulis2.jpg

[KG215]

Meanwhile, better teams, each of which have at least one or two players better than Spanoulis, are busy playing in the playoffs people on the message board actually care about.

[DoodleDa]

Meanwhile, better teams, each of which have at least one or two players better than Spanoulis, are busy playing in the playoffs people on the message board actually care about.

I still don't understand why these threads are allowed in the NBA forum. Just because a guy played like 2 minutes, sucked shit, and then went back overseas doesn't make him relevant to the NBA.

[Euroleague]

Vassilis Spanoulis 5 three pointers in the 2nd half of the 2013 Euroleague Final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZQqjdFvO64