Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

[TheTruth11]

Do not comment on this post until you take a few moments to read this article. Otherwise you are just talking out of your arse, being a hater. If you educate yourself by reading this article and you still disagree with what Derrick Rose is doing, I would like to hear your explanation.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-08/grant-hill-s-advice-for-derrick-rose-s-critics.html

Grant Hill

[shady6121]

Rose has already sat out an entire year. :lol

[Rubio2Gasol]

Yea - most fans know Grant's situation - and that's why I was against him playing the regular season (along with the fact that the Bulls would be losing 17 million).

But right - he can't be watching Noah play on one leg, watch Nate Robinson fill his spot out there and not feel like an absolute biitch.

[jzek]

Rose has no physical injuries.

[NumberSix]

Rose is puss. Obvi.

[Unbiased_one]

....

I totally agree that rose should come back when he's ready, and not before, and that people should get off his back about it.

However, I will always take issue with people calling him an 'mvp-level' player. Like nash, he was gifted mvp by narrative. There were a number of more deserving players that year.

[Mrofir]

Grant Hill is awesome and I agree with anything he says

Signed, suns fan

PS Grant come back to the Suns and be our #1 option

[DuMa]

props to Grant Hill. :applause: always a classy professional player

[NumberSix]

I totally agree that rose should come back when he's ready, and not before, and that people should get off his back about it.

However, I will always take issue with people calling him an 'mvp-level' player. Like nash, he was gifted mvp by narrative. There were a number of more deserving players that year.
Yup. Rose realistically should have finished 6 or 7 in the MVP voting.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Why doesn't Rose just tell the media "I'm done, I'm out of the playoffs this year and will be playing next season to work myself back in the game".

NOT that he actually has to sit out. He can say this AND still suit up if he feels comfortable later on the playoffs. But his constant, "Yeah any day now... I think I could be ready... maybe", it's keeping fans and critics wondering.

[Unbiased_one]

Yup. Rose realistically should have finished 6 or 7 in the MVP voting.

At the very least, Lebron, Pau, Chris Paul and Howard were more valuable than him. You could easily argue for dirk, pierce and durant as well.

[SCdac]

In that article, they skip ahead five years, from Rookie Grant Hill to 27 year Hill, in a matter of a sentence, but it's worth stating age is a factor in healing and Rose is a a handful of years younger. Wouldn't surprise me if physical therapy has advanced since then too.

Rose was 23 when he got injured and somewhat conveniently got injured going into the offseason. Yet, he still missed the whole season. Not really a big deal, but...

The whole "I could be back any game" stuff Rose has said in the past month or two gives people the reasonable idea that he's very close to returning and probably at least 80% physical healthy.

Not to mention, Rose and Adidas heavily marketed his return to basketball in sports media, basically putting it on the tip of everybody's tongue leading up to the AS break and beyond. Don't think that helped him.

Blake Griffin missed his entire rookie season, but it was well known and established at the time that he would indeed be out. Mostly due to the timing of his surgery (january). But with the timing of Rose's injury, it wasn't a stretch of the imagination given the average healing time to expect him to be on the court by now.

I want him to come back, but coming back mid-playoffs is not realistic and might even be "dangerous". He should just sit it out. Would have like to seen him 2-3 weeks prior to the playoffs though.

[DMAVS41]

Rose isn't hurt. That is the part of this that nobody seems to understand.

If were hurt...then this notion of "coming back too soon" would make perfect sense and nobody would want him to risk it.

But he's not hurt and he's practicing. Just like Barkley said last night. If you keep claiming you may come back and you are practicing for 2 months...you should play in games.

Simple as that.

[NumberSix]

Rose isn't hurt. That is the part of this that nobody seems to understand.

If were hurt...then this notion of "coming back too soon" would make perfect sense and nobody would want him to risk it.

But he's not hurt and he's practicing. Just like Barkley said last night. If you keep claiming you may come back and you are practicing for 2 months...you should play in games.

Simple as that.
It doesn't help his case that he goes out and runs around the court for pregame shootarounds in front of crowds. You're going out of your way to show the public that you're able to run, shoot and play.

[buddha]

Why is this article trying to make it seem like this is 1960 and a torn ACL is a career ender? It's 20 fcuking 13.. It's very easy for an athlete to come back at 90-100% 8 months after a torn ACL.. Rose is just a bitch with muscle memory problems.. :lol

Rose don't care about basketball, all he cares about is a paycheck.

[daj0264]

didnt read.


what you gone do?

[Kblaze8855]

Tim hardaway:


Hardaway told Jared Zwerling writing for ESPNChicago.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobulls/post/_/id/9805/hardaway-rose-shouldnt-rush-return) that Rose needs to consider sitting out an entire season (hat tip SLAM (http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/09/tim-hardaway-thinks-derrick-rose-should-sit-out-the-entire-season/)).
[INDENT]

[SewerUrchin]

What you said:

didnt read.


what you gone do?

What everyone assumes:

cant read.


what I gone do?

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, taking special care to ignore the thoughtful requests of the OP and thought provoking arguments explained in the article.

[SCdac]

Honestly any comments on this issue from past or present NBA players I take with a huge grain of salt. They're all people who've been catered to since probably HS, they're all in this spoiled millionaire club. They back each other, not surprising.

[knickswin]

tell me derrick rose jock riders, is it EXHAUSTING constantly having to think of rationalizations for what he's doing?

[Rake2204]

I found the article to be very much on point. I appreciate the share.

[Go Getter]

:biggums:
Honestly any comments on this issue from past or present NBA players I take with a huge grain of salt. They're all people who've been catered to since probably HS, they're all in this spoiled millionaire club. They back each other, not surprising.
:biggums:

So you, numbersix's dumbass, knickswins hatin ass, and buddha's retarded ass are MORE qualified to speak on the issue than Tim hardaway and magic Johnson?

FOH. The three of you combined probably haven't played one season of competitive ball yet you guys are experts.

I love how guys say Rose is 100% fine or Rose isn't injured or feeling pain.

Hill, a great source and a well liked and respected player JUST SAID in the OP that EVEN THOUGH TEAM DOCTORS CLEAR YOU IT DOESN'T (necessarily) MEAN YOU SHOULD PLAY.

you guys are freakin dense I swear.

[Go Getter]

tell me derrick rose jock riders, is it EXHAUSTING constantly having to think of rationalizations for what he's doing?


There isn't any rationalization. Real Bul's fans want him to rest and come back next season. Childish impatient little pricks (in the guise of Bulls fans)get online and complain about things like this.

He will come back when he is ready. Simple as that....all this bellyachin (esp by non Bulls fans) is getting old quick.

I don't get how a fatass computer geek with no life gets off telling D. Rose he's a ***** but I guess it takes all sorts....

[NumberSix]

There isn't any rationalization. Real Bul's fans want him to rest and come back next season. Childish impatient little pricks (in the guise of Bulls fans)get online and complain about things like this.

He will come back when he is ready. Simple as that....all this bellyachin (esp by non Bulls fans) is getting old quick.

I don't get how a fatass computer geek with no life gets off telling D. Rose he's a ***** but I guess it takes all sorts....
This is getting hilarious. Rose tards aren't even arguing injuries anymore. They're just arguing that a healthy player should rest.

Ok Chicago fans. Just make sure you never say a fcuking word about jay cutler ever again.

[Go Getter]

This is getting hilarious. Rose tards aren't even arguing injuries anymore. They're just arguing that a healthy player should rest.
The hilarity lies in your transparent attempts at trolling. Nice try retard. Get a life, some friends, or a real hobby you socially inept idiot.

I feel sorry for your father having raised such a POS coward. For real...the way you entertain yourself is ****ing pathetic.

[NumberSix]

The hilarity lies in your transparent attempts at trolling. Nice try retard. Get a life, some friends, or a real hobby you socially inept idiot.

I feel sorry for your father having raised such a POS coward. For real...the way you entertain yourself is ****ing pathetic.
Yeah but, I don't live in Utah. Win.

[Go Getter]

Yeah but, I don't live in Utah. Win.
GQ ranked SLC as a top 7 lovation for bachelors in the US:

-low cost of living
-beautiful mountain vistas
-lots of Island girls
-close proximity to Vegas
-I get tons of free NBA tickets


BUt when you live with your parents and are two scared to go on va-ca by yourselfr I see how you'd be scared to travel.


Your mom's basement must be hooked up....you got a private entrance and exit i bet.

[MMM]

One fan has sued Rose for emotional distress


:biggums:
:facepalm

[hitmanyr2k]

Yeah but, I don't live in Utah. Win.

The joke's on you. People don't know what they're missing. SLC is a damn nice place. Even the Mormons were cool lol.

[SCdac]

:biggums:
:biggums:

So you, numbersix's dumbass, knickswins hatin ass, and buddha's retarded ass are MORE qualified to speak on the issue than Tim hardaway and magic Johnson?

Huh? Who said I was more qualified?

All I said was, NBA players sticking up for other NBA players doesn't surprise me or even mean much to me. It's the equivalent of union members mindlessly backing other union members. Ehhh

I'd much rather hear from Rose himself, his closest personal trainers, doctors, and physicians. Because Grant Hill probably knows about as much as Rose' current health and condition as anybody else on here.

[hitmanyr2k]

Huh? Who said I was more qualified?

All I said was, NBA players sticking up for other NBA players doesn't surprise me or even mean much to me. It's the equivalent of union members mindlessly backing other union members. Ehhh

I'd much rather hear from Rose himself, his closest personal trainers, doctors, and physicians. Because Grant Hill probably knows about as much as Rose' current health and condition as anybody else on here.

I don't think Grant Hill is "mindlessly" backing anyone. He's been in the situation of being pressured to play when he wasn't feeling right (despite what the doctors and trainers were saying at the time) and can relate to what Rose is going through now. What's so mindless about that? If Grant Hill had never gone through his own injury and was backing Rose then you would have a point of the brotherhood sticking together.

[unbreakable]

big difference. Rose has been DOMINATING in practices.. Thibs calls him the best player in practice and his own teammates do too..

Hill just mad

[LT Ice Cream]

I have never faulted Rose on not returning. He may be cleared to play, but you're the only one who knows how good you're feeling. Just because someone says you're fine doesn't necessarily mean you're fine.

I'm ok with letting him listen to his own body and making a decision.

[Pointguard]

So you, numbersix's dumbass, knickswins hatin ass, and buddha's retarded ass are MORE qualified to speak on the issue than Tim hardaway and magic Johnson?

FOH. The three of you combined probably haven't played one season of competitive ball yet you guys are experts.

I love how guys say Rose is 100% fine or Rose isn't injured or feeling pain.

Hill, a great source and a well liked and respected player JUST SAID in the OP that EVEN THOUGH TEAM DOCTORS CLEAR YOU IT DOESN'T (necessarily) MEAN YOU SHOULD PLAY.

you guys are freakin dense I swear.

At the tone of 20 plus threads about Rose during the playoffs this isn't about caring for the truth. The team and all of its extensions are on one page and its more unanimous than Mayweather against a scrub, in favor of Rose. His teammates are visually supportive of him. Superstar players (Tim Hardaway, Grant Hill) who had leg injuries have also chimed in on Rose's behalf. Not one professional, doctor, person in the front office, super high investor in this matter or ball player has said Rose should have been playing because they know how it is. There is a ton of third, fourth and fifth party info that is floating around and people have ran with it, mainly because they have this internal thirst to one up him.

To get this feeling like they voted with other haters to denigrate Rose. Its not complicated because they are very simple people. They wear their hate on their sleeves.

[SCdac]

I don't think Grant Hill is "mindlessly" backing anyone. He's been in the situation of being pressured to play when he wasn't feeling right (despite what the doctors and trainers were saying at the time) and can relate to what Rose is going through now. What's so mindless about that? If Grant Hill had never gone through his own injury and was backing Rose then you would have a point of the brotherhood sticking together.

almost 100% of players in the NBA have had a major injury at one point another. It's not unique to Hill, it's not unique to Rose, it's not that unique in general. Players get shut down left and right nowadays, especially preemptively.

Basically it's like this:

NBA player --- "Rose should come back when he's 110% ready ... actually he should come back when he's 120%!"

NBA fan --- "Rose should come back when he's 90% ready or so. If he's physically ready, he should contribute and work his way into mental shape"

NBA GM --- "Something in between both of those. But because we've invested millions in Rose it's important he is comfortable and not rushed so he doesn't leave or hate us forever"

[Rockets(T-mac)]

The biggest issue isn't even him not playing, if he or the Bulls would just come out and say "he's not playing" then people wouldn't talk about so much. When the dude is like my status is up in the air, obviously everyone is going to get annoyed.

He could even come back after they officially said he won't, if he felt like it, but they are just idiotic for not saying anything.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Lets be real here... Grant Hill, Tim Hardaway, and Magic Johnson have about the same credibility to speak on the situation as 3 random people on this board. They arent doctors, they arent close with Rose. They are random fans with their own opinion just like you and me.


Having said that. Before the playoffs there was an interview with a player who tore his ACL, I forget who, might have even been Doug Collins who also suffered the same thing. He said the hardest part by far was overcoming the mental aspect of the injury. Trusting your knee not to explode again. This is where Rose is at. His instincts are telling him not to play because he is scared. Being scared is an instinct. Its pretty obvious on every level what going on here. No one close to Rose is going to tell him to man up and come back because that would be extremely offensive to Rose on a personal level.


Tl;Dr.. Rose is a bitch

[Pointguard]

Huh? Who said I was more qualified?

All I said was, NBA players sticking up for other NBA players doesn't surprise me or even mean much to me. It's the equivalent of union members mindlessly backing other union members. Ehhh

I'd much rather hear from Rose himself, his closest personal trainers, doctors, and physicians. Because Grant Hill probably knows about as much as Rose' current health and condition as anybody else on here.

Nahhh, not the same as union workers. Overall you have been negative in this matter despite not hearing from personal trainers, doctors or those who have invested millions in Rose.

Hill is in the same profession, was a player of superstar impact, and dealt with a similar type circumstance that puts the balance of long term, decision making on the table. Hill isn't telling anybody to think like him - he's saying think. Period. When Shumpert said its about a franchise thinking like a franchise and protecting its long term risk, they are telling folks to think big picture. Something which you never talk about.

[Kblaze8855]

There isn't any rationalization. Real Bul's fans want him to rest and come back next season. Childish impatient little pricks (in the guise of Bulls fans)get online and complain about things like this.

He will come back when he is ready. Simple as that....all this bellyachin (esp by non Bulls fans) is getting old quick.

Really...ive been a Bulls fan since before Jordan. My mom has been a Bulls fan since Jerry sloan days(with a brief stop as a Laker fan because of Magic but I believe society pardons fickle female sports fans). My brothers are bulls fans. Several of my close friends as well.

You know the only person I see in person who has sounded like the people online mad at Rose?

My 19 year old cousin who thinks Carmelo Anthony and Kobe are both better than Jordan....and thinks Jrue Holiday is the best point in the league.

And for the record the last part...maybe...one day. But if you heard his reasoning you would die laughing.

This is just version 193298 of internet haters finding a subject to latch on to and make it a bigger deal than it is.

I have Heat fan friends who have nothing negative to say about Rose. Knick fans. But on here its nothing but "Rose is bitchmade!", "***** ass Rose...MAN UP!" and calling out fans and all that? I dont know what happens to people when they get to type instead of speak. Would people really be this awful in person without the risk of physical violence?

Is that all thats keeping the real world sports fans from being like on the internet? Knowing they are risking their lives by acting this way?

When Rose got hurt I read reports saying he might be back by christmas...other than he will be out a year...hopefully letting him return for the playoffs. Many many estimates in the year range. Here we are a year later and hes...kinda/sorta ready and people act like they had no idea he could be gone a year?

Jeff posted an article on the ISH main site saying their GM wasnt expecting him back this year at all.

And that was in June.

But now...he was supposed to be back months ago all along?

Hes being selfish...hurting the entire city...letting down his team?

Meanwhile every player to speak up thinks he needs to ignore all of you, the team is fine and behind him...as they didnt plan on him playing anyway...and hes about ready to play...a year after injury. As many reports said was the time frame?

Nah. real Bulls fans are not that upset.

If they are I dont know them.

And I know an awful lot of Bulls fans...

And truth be told...in person...Heat/Knick fans arent this bad about it either.

[KobesFinger]

Grant Hill said something didn't feel right when he played teammates. D-Rose was cleared months ago and has been practicing for at least a month now. He only has to play spot minutes to give Nate a rest. How else is he going to redevelop muscle memory?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9239520/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-held-back-lack-muscle-memory-according-report

[Kblaze8855]

Spot minutes to give Nate a rest?

You could have Oscar robertson off the bench for spot minutes and not be the difference between losing by 40 and being in the game.

If hes not Derrick Rose I dont know why hes playing unless its strictly motivation. But knowing this team as I do...I dont think they would play any harder.

Have you see Nate? Noah? Butler? Taj?

They strike you as guys only going 80% waiting for Rose to come motivate them to 100?

These Bulls arent a bunch of Jerome James looking for motivation.

They go hard all the time.

If he feels he can suit up...im happy to have him.

But if its to be Nates backup and help out a bit he might as well chill.

[Go Getter]

big difference. Rose has been DOMINATING in practices.. Thibs calls him the best player in practice and his own teammates do too..

Hill just mad
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/704158_117498385078871_738384778_o.jpg

My friend works out/plays with D. Rose and other Chicago-born NBA players.

He is not DOMINATING in practice, on the contrary, he has had trouble keepin DeQuan Cook (a jumpshooter) in front of him in practice.

STFU about things you have no clue about chump(s).

[Pointguard]

Lets be real here... Grant Hill, Tim Hardaway, and Magic Johnson have about the same credibility to speak on the situation as 3 random people on this board. They arent doctors, they arent close with Rose. They are random fans with their own opinion just like you and me.

Having said that. Before the playoffs there was an interview with a player who tore his ACL, I forget who, might have even been Doug Collins who also suffered the same thing. He said the hardest part by far was overcoming the mental aspect of the injury. Trusting your knee not to explode again. This is where Rose is at. His instincts are telling him not to play because he is scared. Being scared is an instinct. Its pretty obvious on every level what going on here. No one close to Rose is going to tell him to man up and come back because that would be extremely offensive to Rose on a personal level.

Tl;Dr.. Rose is a bitch
Ex players that have seen other players fight with ACL's are a little closer to the situation than the hater sheep on ish. If you play ball professionally and know the hard rigors of exceptionally fast, quick players and the pressure of playing at an extremely high levels in front of millions its very different than hiding behind a computer and just hating. You guys aren't accountable to anything you say here. Most haters are different people in front of live people. The ballers mentioned are accountable to what they say. Their experience is most similar to Roses. Tim and Grant Hill experienced the whole trauma and recuperation stages. We will likely never be in a similar situation like them.

Two, what people will say to Rose in front of his face is irrelevant. If you are invested in, to the tone of 300 million, people aren't focused on being nice to you because you have feelings. Its perform, I'm paying you and I'm not paying you to be nice to you. That's happening at $30,000 much less 300 million. Tim Hardaway and Grant Hill know the pressures, know that the doctors aren't the final word, they know the limitations of how things work in Rose's situation. They know what happens when you only listen to the doctors and not yourself. People here act like they would put their life on the line once the doctors say they are cleared.

If Derrick Rose is different in his healing, it is what it is. Everybody is a little different. Obviously he's a super athlete, and he is special in that regards, but it doesn't mean he's a regular healer, too. People on the outside can't make that judgement with any confidence.

[SCdac]

Nahhh, not the same as union workers. Overall you have been negative in this matter despite not hearing from personal trainers, doctors or those who have invested millions in Rose.

Hill is in the same profession, was a player of superstar impact, and dealt with a similar type circumstance that puts the balance of long term, decision making on the table. Hill isn't telling anybody to think like him - he's saying think. Period. When Shumpert said its about a franchise thinking like a franchise and protecting its long term risk, they are telling folks to think big picture. Something which you never talk about.

I've said multiple times, in multiple threads, that I don't insinuate bringing Rose back too soon and injuring himself...

Rose is the one who says basically "I could be back next game, I could be back in a month". Not me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize jeopardizing the health of your franchise player is not the right way to go. In fact, I think the NBA playoffs are not the proper setting for him to return, even if he's ready (it's too intense and physical relative to the RS).

At the same rate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Rose has been fairly tantalizing about this whole thing with his comments and "the return" ads, and seems to be taking his sweet time to the point where people, outside of NBA players, his teammates, and closest friends, are starting to wonder about his desire.

It will have taken, what, 15-16 months for him to fully get over this injury and play in an NBA game?

Personally, he's one of my favorite players and I want to see him have a long great career. I vehemently defend his MVP to people, because it was obvious he deserved it. But it's a struggle for everybody involved I think. If it was a complete non-issue, and blatantly obvious Rose is not even close to ready, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. But it's like the opposite of that. Rightly or wrongly.

[Go Getter]

I've said multiple times, in multiple threads, that I don't insinuate bringing Rose back too soon and injuring himself...

Rose is the one who says basically "I could be back next game, I could be back in a month". Not me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize jeopardizing the health of your franchise player is not the right way to go. In fact, I think the NBA playoffs are not the proper setting for him to return, even if he's ready (it's too intense and physical relative to the RS).

At the same rate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Rose has been fairly tantalizing about this whole thing with his comments and "the return" ads, and seems to be taking his sweet time to the point where people, outside of NBA players, his teammates, and closest friends, are starting to wonder about his desire.

It will have taken, what, 15-16 months for him to fully get over this injury and play in an NBA game?

Personally, he's one of my favorite players and I want to see him have a long great career. But it's a struggle for everybody involved I think. If it was a complete non-issue, and blatantly obvious Rose is not even close to ready, we wouldn't be talking about it right now. But it's like the opposite of that. Rightly or wrongly.
Do you ever get tired of speaking on things you know nothing about?

I KNOW PEOPLE that play with Rose, that train with him (after his ACL injury).

He is NOT ready.....Cook is breaking him down off the dribble in practice.

You;re showing your inner retard right now.

[DMAVS41]

Do you ever get tired of speaking on things you know nothing about?

I KNOW PEOPLE that play with Rose, that train with him (after his ACL injury).

He is NOT ready.....Cook is breaking him down off the dribble in practice.

You;re showing your inner retard right now.

If it's so clear he's not ready...why not just say so and end this shit?

Why are there so many reports saying the exact opposite you are?

Wilbon himself said it was all mental now...why should we trust you over a reporter that knows the Bulls ins and outs very well?

Acting like this isn't a debate is just silly.

[Pointguard]

Really...ive been a Bulls fan since before Jordan. My mom has been a Bulls fan since Jerry sloan days(with a brief stop as a Laker fan because of Magic but I believe society pardons fickle female sports fans). My brothers are bulls fans. Several of my close friends as well.

You know the only person I see in person who has sounded like the people online mad at Rose?

This is just version 193298 of internet haters finding a subject to latch on to and make it a bigger deal than it is.

I have Heat fan friends who have nothing negative to say about Rose. Knick fans. But on here its nothing but "Rose is bitchmade!", "***** ass Rose...MAN UP!" and calling out fans and all that? I dont know what happens to people when they get to type instead of speak. Would people really be this awful in person without the risk of physical violence?

Is that all thats keeping the real world sports fans from being like on the internet? Knowing they are risking their lives by acting this way?

Jeff posted an article on the ISH main site saying their GM wasnt expecting him back this year at all.

And that was in June.

But now...he was supposed to be back months ago all along?

Nah. real Bulls fans are not that upset.

If they are I dont know them.

And I know an awful lot of Bulls fans...

And truth be told...in person...Heat/Knick fans arent this bad about it either.

Behind the computer folks are internet thugs. Things said on the net will not be be televised. They go to a sports bar they wouldn't open their mouths. Because the accountability factor is live and their follow up of cursing and illogical reply isn't tolerated. The response of "wow, are you from a broken to pieces home where the head of the household's name was Derrick Rose?" would jolt them or make their irrational hate seem naked. I have never ran into this type of behavior live and I am out quit a bit.

[Go Getter]

If it's so clear he's not ready...why not just say so and end this shit?

Why are there so many reports saying the exact opposite you are?

Wilbon himself said it was all mental now...why should we trust you over a reporter that knows the Bulls ins and outs very well?

Acting like this isn't a debate is just silly.
BECAUSE THE MYSTERY SELLS BASKETBALL TICKETS!!!

Wilbon, Kerr, Bayless, etc. do not get to say their honest opinion, they get TOLD what stance to take and what to say a lot of the time.

Reporters, interviewers, league execs, etc have AGENDAS. My friend does not have an agenda. If Rose was acting yssup he would just tell everyone.

[Pointguard]

I've said multiple times, in multiple threads, that I don't insinuate bringing Rose back too soon and injuring himself...

Rose is the one who says basically "I could be back next game, I could be back in a month". Not me.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize jeopardizing the health of your franchise player is not the right way to go. In fact, I think the NBA playoffs are not the proper setting for him to return, even if he's ready (it's too intense and physical relative to the RS).

At the same rate, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize Rose has been fairly tantalizing about this whole thing with his comments and "the return" ads, and seems to be taking his sweet time to the point where people, outside of NBA players, his teammates, and closest friends, are starting to wonder about his desire.

I don't know if you have crazy anxiety about this issue or what. He'll play when he is ready to play. The commercials are just commercials, if you seen him, why on earth would you question his desire? Its obvious something is out of whack. Just leave it at that.

[DMAVS41]

BECAUSE THE MYSTERY SELLS BASKETBALL TICKETS!!!

Wilbon, Kerr, Bayless, etc. do not get to say their honest opinion, they get TOLD what stance to take and what to say a lot of the time.

Reporters, interviewers, league execs, etc have AGENDAS. My friend does not have an agenda. If Rose was acting yssup he would just tell everyone.

You can't be serious. They are doing this to sell tickets? That is your logic...holy shit.

What will you say if he comes back tomorrow and plays well? Will he not be ready still?

And LOL at Wilbon having to take a stance. His stance is don't come back...but he's still been reporting that it's mostly mental now and that he hears good things coming out of practices.

The whole situation has been poorly handled....obvious to everyone. And based on all the reports, outside of your friend of course, we are hearing that Rose is looking good and is healthy...but he's not mentally ready to play.

[Go Getter]

You can't be serious. They are doing this to sell tickets? That is your logic...holy shit.

What will you say if he comes back tomorrow and plays well? Will he not be ready still?

And LOL at Wilbon having to take a stance. His stance is don't come back...but he's still been reporting that it's mostly mental now and that he hears good things coming out of practices.

The whole situation has been poorly handled....obvious to everyone. And based on all the reports, outside of your friend of course, we are hearing that Rose is looking good and is healthy...but he's not mentally ready to play.
Did you ready Grant Hill's report?

Everyone said HE was ready to play and he was NOT!

If he plays tomorrow then he is ready you MFin idiot WTF?

It's obvious to everyone with an adult brain that media reports=/=the truth.

The fact that you are taking them to heart is very telling.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Derrick Rose was medically cleared to play basketball MONTHS AGO.

[SCdac]

I don't know if you have crazy anxiety about this issue or what. He'll play when he is ready to play. The commercials are just commercials, if you seen him, why on earth would you question his desire? Its obvious something is out of whack. Just leave it at that.

Huh? :rolleyes:

You are the one going off on tangents about "internet thugs" and other nonsense.

You are the one getting emotional about something being widely talked about in the sports world.

Just google "Derrick Rose" in google news... this is not an issue that's living and breathing on just basketball message boards or being talked about by "nerdy people behind their computers".

Derrick Rose: Your team needs you, it's time to suit up
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634232-derrick-rose-your-team-needs-you-its-time-to-suit-up

Bull's Derrick Rose Stand out for not toughing it out
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/sports/basketball/bulls-derrick-rose-stands-out-for-not-toughing-it-out.html?_r=0

Controversy festers around Bulls' Derrick Rose
http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2013/05/nba_high-5_360.html

Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/8/4311600/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-injury-luol-deng-doctors

Should Derrick Rose Return?
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9253866/coast-coast-discussing-derrick-rose-potential-return

Derrick Rose, by any other name, is making the right call by not playing for the Bulls
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/derrick-rose-by-any-other-name-is-making-the-right-call-by-not-playing-for-chicago-bulls/2013/05/07/515f7658-b75d-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html

These articles vary in their tone, opinions, suggestions, etc, etc...

But the point is, nobody should feel guilty for having an opinion on the matter. Again, the whole basketball world is talking about it.

[DMAVS41]

Did you ready Grant Hill's report?

Everyone said HE was ready to play and he was NOT!

If he plays tomorrow then he is ready you MFin idiot WTF?

It's obvious to everyone with an adult brain that media reports=/=the truth.

The fact that you are taking them to heart is very telling.

You seem confused.

If Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play. The problem is that he's been cleared for months now...and he's practicing...and he and the Bulls are making comments about potentially playing.

The Hill thing is different. If you are hurt...don't play. Simple as that. But being mentally unsure is not being hurt. Once your ACL heals...it's healed and there is no extra added danger of doing something again to it.

Just sounds absurd...the whole thing does. And if he really was hurt and not close...he wouldn't be practicing and making the comments he has.

He never distanced himself from his idiot brother either. We don't Rose...for all I know he's been ready for months and sat out to make a statement that he needs more help...then that backfired when the Bulls played so well and won the series...and now he's afraid to come back.

I have no clue. But at least there is evidence to support that theory.

You can't just say..."play when you want to"...ok...then every player could just decide not to play for any reasons.

Anyone that has played competitive basketball beyond high school knows you are never 100% after the first few games. Never. And the likelihood of getting injured goes up at less than 100%. Yet, as a basketball player, you have to play on sore and twisted ankles and knees your entire career.

I don't really care about this anymore. It's obvious to everyone other than Rose fans that this thing was horribly handled and that Rose should have come back over a month ago.

If you are good enough to go in practice....and you are medically cleared to play. You are good enough to at least give it a go in games and see how you react.

Like Barkley said last night...but he's biased as well I guess.

[Kblaze8855]

Yes.....everyone thinks he should come back...except the many people quoted saying otherwise?

Just gonna make reality what you feel like it being?

[Go Getter]

You seem confused.

If Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play. The problem is that he's been cleared for months now...and he's practicing...and he and the Bulls are making comments about potentially playing.

The Hill thing is different. If you are hurt...don't play. Simple as that. But being mentally unsure is not being hurt. Once your ACL heals...it's healed and there is no extra added danger of doing something again to it.

Just sounds absurd...the whole thing does. And if he really was hurt and not close...he wouldn't be practicing and making the comments he has.

He never distanced himself from his idiot brother either. We don't Rose...for all I know he's been ready for months and sat out to make a statement that he needs more help...then that backfired when the Bulls played so well and won the series...and now he's afraid to come back.

I have no clue. But at least there is evidence to support that theory.

You can't just say..."play when you want to"...ok...then every player could just decide not to play for any reasons.

Anyone that has played competitive basketball beyond high school knows you are never 100% after the first few games. Never. And the likelihood of getting injured goes up at less than 100%. Yet, as a basketball player, you have to play on sore and twisted ankles and knees your entire career.

I don't really care about this anymore. It's obvious to everyone other than Rose fans that this thing was horribly handled and that Rose should have come back over a month ago.

If you are good enough to go in practice....and you are medically cleared to play. You are good enough to at least give it a go in games and see how you react.

Like Barkley said last night...but he's biased as well I guess.

Grant Hill made a clear comparison of his situation and Rose's.

smh...I can explain it to you...I can't understand it for you:facepalm

Whoever you got your HS diploma from needs to be slapped repeatedly.

[Go Getter]

I have no clue.



The only true thing you've typed in this thread.:oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

And there is evidence rose sat out while being fine...for the express purpose of trying to make the Bulls lose games/a series? To prove a point?

Did I read that right?

Tell me I missed some context by not freally reading the whole argument you two are having.

Im really hoping I missed a lot. Thats some euroleague level shit there.

[BlackVVaves]

At the very least, Lebron, Pau, Chris Paul and Howard were more valuable than him. You could easily argue for dirk, pierce and durant as well.

2010-2011
Pierce: 19, 5, and 5

Rose: 25, 8, and 4

:biggums:

[Go Getter]

2010-2011
Pierce: 19, 5, and 5

Rose: 25, 8, and 4

:biggums:
And they won 60+ games to boot.:rockon:

[BlackVVaves]

And they won 60+ games to boot.:rockon:

Just realized that cat said Pau Gasol deserved the MVP more than Rose...

Holy shit, the idiotic trolling by some April 2013 kids is riveting.

[Clocian-IGN]

I find it hilarious that non bulls fans are more pissed off and posting daily about why and when rose is coming back more then bulls fans themselves.

I know yall miss him but get over it, dude's not coming back this year.

[JellyBean]

That was pretty nice of Grant Hill to put a little perspective on this whole D-Rose situation. I am glad that Rose is sitting out until "HE" feels ready. There is so much pressure on this young man. The media and fans wanting him to go out there and play. Play at what level? Will folks be happy if he is playing at 20%, 60%, 75%? Nope. So when Rose is ready, HE will play.

[SnakePlissken]

Grant Hill should sign with the Heat during the off season. I want to see him win a championship.

[Pointguard]

Huh? :rolleyes:
You are the one going off on tangents about "internet thugs" and other nonsense.

It wasn't a tangent. If you read Kblaze statement he consistently talked about people in real time acting differently (in fact he did a full four times!). But that wasn't part of my back and fourth with you in the first place.


You are the one getting emotional about something being widely talked about in the sports world.

Just google "Derrick Rose" in google news... this is not an issue that's living and breathing on just basketball message boards or being talked about by "nerdy people behind their computers".

Derrick Rose: Your team needs you, it's time to suit up
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1634232-derrick-rose-your-team-needs-you-its-time-to-suit-up

Bull's Derrick Rose Stand out for not toughing it out
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/sports/basketball/bulls-derrick-rose-stands-out-for-not-toughing-it-out.html?_r=0

Controversy festers around Bulls' Derrick Rose
http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2013/05/nba_high-5_360.html

Derrick Rose and the Bulls' history of letting players break themselves
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/8/4311600/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-injury-luol-deng-doctors

Should Derrick Rose Return?
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9253866/coast-coast-discussing-derrick-rose-potential-return

Derrick Rose, by any other name, is making the right call by not playing for the Bulls
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/derrick-rose-by-any-other-name-is-making-the-right-call-by-not-playing-for-chicago-bulls/2013/05/07/515f7658-b75d-11e2-b94c-b684dda07add_story.html

These articles vary in their tone, opinions, suggestions, etc, etc...

But the point is, nobody should feel guilty for having an opinion on the matter. Again, the whole basketball world is talking about it.

I know what is out there. Trust me, if I thought you weren't somewhat of an independent thinker I wouldn't pursue this. You need to see the documentary "the central park five." The media creates frenzies sometimes. Primary sources are always better than anything else. Most things outside of that can lead you anywhere. You were one of the few who reiterated what I said about the Front Office, Doctors or Rose himself are the only trusted sources.

But even with that, you thread both sides of the fence really hard but have this need to cast a big cloud of doubt on Rose, even beyond the common stuff. You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.

[TheTruth11]

The biggest issue isn't even him not playing, if he or the Bulls would just come out and say "he's not playing" then people wouldn't talk about so much. When the dude is like my status is up in the air, obviously everyone is going to get annoyed.

He could even come back after they officially said he won't, if he felt like it, but they are just idiotic for not saying anything.

How does he come out and say he is not playing when someone in Bulls management thru him under the bus by saying he had been cleared to return? In other words, what you asking him to do is to come out and say the exact opposite of what his boss has said. To be in conflict with management... to be in conflict with his boss.

When that story leaked from the Bulls they put Rose in a no win situation. Either come back before you are ready or say the exact opposite of what management just said and say that you going to be out the whole year.

[DMAVS41]

Grant Hill made a clear comparison of his situation and Rose's.

smh...I can explain it to you...I can't understand it for you:facepalm

Whoever you got your HS diploma from needs to be slapped repeatedly.

Yes. It's so crazy to expect a NBA player that is medically cleared to play and practicing....to play.

I don't know why he isn't. Neither do you. You claim to more know than you possibly could.

The sports world...including media members close to the Bulls are left dumbfounded as well.

There are many opinions going around. I don't care what the opinions are.

But, like I have said from the very beginning....if Rose is hurt...he shouldn't play.

The problem? All the evidence points to him not being hurt and him sitting out because...well, he doesn't feel like playing. Did I get that right?

I don't care what Grant Hill or anyone else says....you aren't more likely to get injured once your ACL is healed. And if it's healed...like all evidence points to...sitting out doesn't change anything.

If you can't grasp that simple concept then you are just too stupid to even converse with.

The only reason this isn't even a bigger deal is because everyone seems to like Rose. If Carmelo was doing this...it would be a different situation...completely.

And Rose never distanced himself from his brothers' comments. So how are we supposed to know how he truly feels if he hasn't said anything.

And LOL at someone claiming he was thrown under the bus because someone in the Bulls organization said he was medically cleared. Why should that be kept a secret?

Do you really not remember people in the media at first saying that even if he was ready...he should sit because the Bulls just aren't that good. That was the narrative they created to protect Rose...and that was around the time of those comments from the Rose camp.

Obviously that myth has been blown out of the water. So now Rose defenders are left scrambling. He's no longer hurt...and the Bulls are certainly a championship supporting cast. So what excuses does he have left? "muscle memory"...hahahahaah

[SCdac]

It wasn't a tangent. If you read Kblaze statement he consistently talked about people in real time acting differently (in fact he did a full four times!). But that wasn't part of my back and fourth with you in the first place.


I know what is out there. Trust me, if I thought you weren't somewhat of an independent thinker I wouldn't pursue this. You need to see the documentary "the central park five." The media creates frenzies sometimes. Primary sources are always better than anything else. Most things outside of that can lead you anywhere. You were one of the few who reiterated what I said about the Front Office, Doctors or Rose himself are the only trusted sources.

But even with that, you thread both sides of the fence really hard but have this need to cast a big cloud of doubt on Rose, even beyond the common stuff. You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.

:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

The "big cloud of doubt" that "I am casting" isn't irrational or irregular by any means. As mentioned and noted, there are a plethora of news articles on major sites essentially asking the same questions and concerns as me and so many others. Rose has been off the NBA court for over a year now, which is longer than the predicted amount of time it would take him to recover (a year). As mentioned, Rose himself has stated he's within days of returning.

Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.

[NumberSix]

Do people understand that Rose has been cleared by his own doctor? Not the doctor being payed by the bulls. His own personal doctor.

[iamgine]

Spot minutes to give Nate a rest?

You could have Oscar robertson off the bench for spot minutes and not be the difference between losing by 40 and being in the game.

If hes not Derrick Rose I dont know why hes playing unless its strictly motivation. But knowing this team as I do...I dont think they would play any harder.

Have you see Nate? Noah? Butler? Taj?

They strike you as guys only going 80% waiting for Rose to come motivate them to 100?

These Bulls arent a bunch of Jerome James looking for motivation.

They go hard all the time.

If he feels he can suit up...im happy to have him.

But if its to be Nates backup and help out a bit he might as well chill.
Why though? You think he can't help from that position? Bulls almost got beaten by Nets and Rose could have helped them off the bench for a shorter series. Or at the very least try.

[DMAVS41]

:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

The "big cloud of doubt" that "I am casting" isn't irrational or irregular by any means. As mentioned and noted, there are a plethora of news articles on major sites essentially asking the same questions and concerns as me and so many others. Rose has been off the NBA court for over a year now, which is longer than the predicted amount of time it would take him to recover (a year). As mentioned, Rose himself has stated he's within days of returning.

Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.

I just heard Wilbon say Rose is mentally scared to come back...not in a negative way, but that he's scared to come back.

[atljonesbro]

You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT

[ThatsGame]

You can write an article up in Shakespearean and it wouldn't make Rose sitting out any less stupid.

There is absolutely no reason why a high-level player should sit out if he is physically healthy. ****ing Lamar Odom played the game and he was mentally screwed over!!!

There is only two explanations for this. 1. Derrick actually is ok with not playing and collecting paychecks and is exploiting that. 2. Derrick is a *****.

There is no other logical reason why he would be sitting out. None. Nada. Zero.

[DMAVS41]

You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT

This.

There is some weird fascination with Rose...his fans can't even admit when he plays a poor game.

Now they have to do all this work to try and make a simple issue complicated.

It's simple. He's fine physically and is scared to come back now because he's afraid he might hurt himself again. That is what is going on. Everyone in the ****ing world can see it but Rose morons.

And that is fine...I understand why Rose would feel that way. But that doesn't mean we can't criticize a player for not playing for "mental" reasons.

[DMAVS41]

You can write an article up in Shakespearean and it wouldn't make Rose sitting out any less stupid.

There is absolutely no reason why a high-level player should sit out if he is physically healthy. ****ing Lamar Odom played the game and he was mentally screwed over!!!

There is only two explanations for this. 1. Derrick actually is ok with not playing and collecting paychecks and is exploiting that. 2. Derrick is a *****.

There is no other logical reason why he would be sitting out. None. Nada. Zero.

And the other part that is often ignored...Rose's camp came out saying Rose shouldn't come back because the team isn't good enough. The media happened to agree with his campe on this...ROFL

Did Rose distance himself from that? Nope. And then you have Rose fans getting all hot and bothered about someone saying maybe that is how Rose feels as well and didn't initially come back because he didn't think they had a chance to do anything.

All we are doing is drawing logical conclusions based on the evidence.

Rose can do anything he wants. But the minute there is evidence to support that a player is not playing for mental reasons...I will criticize the player...especially the way Rose has handled this with all this...."i might come back...i might not BS"

[Dbrog]

I support Rose because he seems like a good guy...but honestly, this reminds me a lot of the Vince/Toronto incident where he sat out forever with a simi-fake injury. I think a little transparency from Rose and the organization would go a long way for public image.

[knickswin]

You Bulls fans are obviously in denial it's pathetic. I guarentee if he still doesn't come back at the start of next year you WILL try to justify it. If you give me "you won't" you're a liar. You worship and pray to a man who cheated on his SAT

you said it. it's pathetic. how do they not see it??? derrick rose isn't a deity. he's a kind of dumb kid who's also good at basketball. how can you rationalize everything he does? his teammate joakim noah CLEARLY has a much more admirable attitude.

[Pointguard]

You said he made money off of the rehab, and I think it was you said he ruined several of your fantasy leagues. So he's a fantasy killer that makes money off of his injuries. This stuff is hilarious.




:wtf:

I think you're just believing what you want to believe at this point, which is erie. I never said any of that, and your assertions lead me to believe your looking for somebody to take your anger out on. Your posts on ISH are usually pretty interesting and informative, but what's erie is, I sense you're going off the deep end in relation to this Rose-topic.

Whoa!!!
Errie??? Never said any of that??? These post are posted under your name right?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8552157&postcount=28
"dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which he and adidas profited IMO... "

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8552242&postcount=36
"Yes, it was all marketing for his new adidas shoe... I don't know the exact dollar amount... But I saw boat loads of commercials and online ads especially in the first half of the season... He was also drafted in every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed (ie. there was an expectation of #the return"

Are you bipolar??? That was two days ago and you have zero recollection. You were super specific: "year long marketing campaign" with "boat loads" and "every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed" these words imply you fully thought out all of your thoughts and loaded them so that we fully get you. But you forgot any connection in 48 hours???



Either way, if merely talking about Derrick Rose in either a negative or positive connotation bothers you to the core, I recommend staying out of these topics and maybe even staying off ISH. This is not some media fabrication nor is it an army of internet nerds going after Rose. It's an NBA topic being talked about on an NBA board.
:lol Stay off of Ish? Really? Why? - it might make me bipolar???

In getting to that post of two days ago I passed by 8 other Rose topics. I am definitely not in 5 maybe even 6 of them. I pick out only the ones I believe might have a deeper grasp on the topic. I'm very specific and choosy on what I pick out. All boards have a certain amount of haters. That's reality.

Our back and fourth is very lite to me. No offense taken at all on this end. A good point may sometimes delve deep.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

So Rose is not a bitch defenders.. I have a question for you.. How come during this whole highly publicized ordeal is there not one candid interview with Rose talking about whats going on. If there was some real issue at hand preventing him from playing, why doesn't Rose just go on record talking about it?


I'll tell you why...


Because he is full of shit and he knows it, he cannot sit in front of a camera and answer questions about it because he will be exposed. 1 for being an idiot. and 2 for being an in-genuine asshole. He does not want to put himself out there and play subpar... which is inevitable... he wants to just slowly easy himself in. Except right now his team needs him. But he a straight bitch.

[wagexslave]

tl;dr... someone plz summarize

[SCdac]

Whoa!!!
Errie??? Never said any of that??? These post are posted under your name right?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8552157&postcount=28
"dude brought it on himself with a year long marketing campaign in which he and adidas profited IMO... "

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8552242&postcount=36
"Yes, it was all marketing for his new adidas shoe... I don't know the exact dollar amount... But I saw boat loads of commercials and online ads especially in the first half of the season... He was also drafted in every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed (ie. there was an expectation of #the return"

Are you bipolar??? That was two days ago and you have zero recollection. You were super specific: "year long marketing campaign" with "boat loads" and "every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed" these words imply you fully thought out all of your thoughts and loaded them so that we fully get you. But you forgot any connection in 48 hours???


:lol Stay off of Ish? Really? Why? - it might make me bipolar???

In getting to that post of two days ago I passed by 8 other Rose topics. I am definitely not in 5 maybe even 6 of them. I pick out only the ones I believe might have a deeper grasp on the topic. I'm very specific and choosy on what I pick out. All boards have a certain amount of haters. That's reality.

Our back and fourth is very lite to me. No offense taken at all on this end. A good point may sometimes delve deep.

Holy crap you really are going off the deep end.

Where did I ever say I drafted Rose, like your assertion? or that my concern on this topic is in direct relation to "owning" Rose on a team?

I've been doing fantasy basketball for 8 years, and would never draft such a high risk player (ie. injured for much of the season). Mostly because I love Roto leagues and it diminishes his value severly. I said he was drafted in every league I was a part of or witnessed... which he was.

If I have to spell it out for you, it means, there was a reasonable expectation of return by the masses of basketball fans, and he did not go undrafted entirely.

And were did I say "he made money off rehab" exactly? I said he made money off of his supposed "return to basketball". Which is exactly what happened. That is irrefutable. Again, if I have to spell it out for you, there is a difference between a campaign centered around merely rehabilitation of an injury and one centered around a player's return to a professional sport. The public was lead to believe the latter was happening, you can grasp that, right? You realize it was not an ad campaign promoting great rehabilitation?

Again, you're believing what you want to believe, while reading things inaccurately. I'm all for talking about this, I love talking about basketball whether it's x's and o'x or shit like this, but at least quote me accurately. That's all I ask.

[TheTruth11]

Wow, I see the Rose haters really come out on game day.

What you dudes fail to realize is that:

a. Doctors get it wrong all the time. Every day all across the world there is a highly respected Doctor making a misdiagnosis. It happens...,

b. There is a long history of Doctors getting it wrong when it comes to athletes,

c. No two injuries are exactly the same,

d. And no two human bodies are exactly the same. People heal at different rates of speed.

e. Next, without actually knowing another man's body, you have to look at the track record, i.e. the history. What is Derrick Rose's history? His history says that: 1. the guy is "gym rat" - absolutely lives and breathes the game of basketball, one of the hardest workers in the game and works his arse off every day trying to get better, and 2. the guy is a warrior on the basketball court and he has always been someone that you can count on -- a standup guy. So what are we left to conclude? That if a guy of this type of character is telling you that his body is not right - believe him!

g. When I am not feeling well, I almost always say that, "I am alright, I can make it, I got this licked". What makes you think Rose is not going to do the same? Do you really expect him to get in front of the media and tell us, "I am in pain, my leg is not responding right, I am worried that it is not fully healed". Hell to the naw. He is not going to say that. He is going to say something like, "I am feeling good; I am close". That's what an athlete says. That's what a warrior says. That's what Rose says.

h. Last point. You dudes really need to stop running with media reports as if they are gospel truth. As if the media can ever be fully trusted. As if the media always gets it right. Trust the player!

...

[Meticode]

I read the whole article. I wasn't aware of Hill's injuries to that extent. I thought it was just a freak injury, but apparently he had been playing through pain and the doctor's told him "Oh it's fine, it's just a bone bruise."

I agree that the team shouldn't announce when a player is cleared to play. It should be his own choice when he's cleared to play because no one knows your body better than yourself.

If he personally chooses to come back in the playoffs (which I think would be awesome win or lose) that would be awesome, if not that's fine too. It'll be awesome to see him start next season definitely 110% and we'll be able to see what a fully healed Derrick Rose can do.

[Jailblazers7]

I read the whole article. I wasn't aware of Hill's injuries to that extent. I thought it was just a freak injury, but apparently he had been playing through pain and the doctor's told him "Oh it's fine, it's just a bone bruise."

I agree that the team shouldn't announce when a player is cleared to play. It should be his own choice when he's cleared to play because no one knows your body better than yourself.

If he personally chooses to come back in the playoffs (which I think would be awesome win or lose) that would be awesome, if not that's fine too. It'll be awesome to see him start next season definitely 110% and we'll be able to see what a fully healed Derrick Rose can do.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of how the Bulls kind of cleared themselves of any scrutiny and left Rose on an island by saying repeatedly that he has been cleared to play and they are only waiting on him now.

[STATUTORY]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of how the Bulls kind of cleared themselves of any scrutiny and left Rose on an island by saying repeatedly that he has been cleared to play and they are only waiting on him now.

they are probably just telling the truth. no one is falling on the sword for this guy, the FO is probably pissed and I'm sure his teammates deep down are upset that he's basically giving up on them and dismissing their chances.

[TheTruth11]

I read the whole article. I wasn't aware of Hill's injuries to that extent. I thought it was just a freak injury, but apparently he had been playing through pain and the doctor's told him "Oh it's fine, it's just a bone bruise."

I agree that the team shouldn't announce when a player is cleared to play. It should be his own choice when he's cleared to play because no one knows your body better than yourself.

If he personally chooses to come back in the playoffs (which I think would be awesome win or lose) that would be awesome, if not that's fine too. It'll be awesome to see him start next season definitely 110% and we'll be able to see what a fully healed Derrick Rose can do.

Totally agree. Good post:applause:

[MaxFly]

Here's the funny thing. If Rose were to come back right away and re-injure that knee or play poorly because it is weak and he continues to favor it, those who are criticizing him for not playing and being soft would shift their criticism to him being injury prone, fragile or weak minded. Very few people would own up, admit that they were wrong and note that he was right to trust his instincts and not play. It's easy to criticize when you're not the one in a particular situation or you're not forced to stand by things you've said.

Just the other day we lost a well known hater because someone pulled up something he had said sometime back that turned out to be a 180 degree departure from what he was saying recently, even as he tried to argue that what he was saying recently was what he has always believed.

It's unfortunate that people refuse to be more circumspect concerning the statements that they make and criticisms that they level.

[TheTruth11]

Here's the funny thing. If Rose were to come back right away and re-injure that knee or play poorly because it is weak and he continues to favor it, those who are criticizing him for not playing and being soft would shift their criticism to him being injury prone, fragile or weak minded. Very few people would own up, admit that they were wrong and note that he was right to trust his instincts and not play. It's easy to criticize when you're not the one in a particular situation or you're not forced to stand by things you've said.

Just the other day we lost a well known hater because someone pulled up something he had said sometime back that turned out to be a 180 degree departure from what he was saying recently, even as he tried to argue that what he was saying recently was what he has always believed.

It's unfortunate that people refuse to be more circumspect concerning the statements that they make and criticisms that they level.

So true... so true. Good post. They were hating from the start. Dam if he does and dam if he doesn't. In time people will come to see that he definitely made the right decision.

[Pointguard]

Holy crap you really are going off the deep end.

Where did I ever say I drafted Rose, like your assertion? or that my concern on this topic is in direct relation to "owning" Rose on a team?

Where did I ever use a word like draft or owning??? I just said he messed up the league - my guess is because people thought he was going to play. Rose didn't ask people to draft him is my point and from the beginning they said it was a year of rehab. No??? Deep end??? Really.


I've been doing fantasy basketball for 8 years, and would never draft such a high risk player (ie. injured for much of the season). Mostly because I love Roto leagues and it diminishes his value severly. I said he was drafted in every league I was a part of or witnessed... which he was.

If I have to spell it out for you, it means, there was a reasonable expectation of return by the masses of basketball fans, and he did not go undrafted entirely.
I quoted you as saying in the first in my last post: "He was also drafted in every single fantasy team I was a part of or witnessed." You see, you can't always tell which is the accurate way to quote you.



And were did I say "he made money off rehab" exactly? I said he made money off of his supposed "return to basketball". Which is exactly what happened. That is irrefutable.
The rehab is for him to return. What do you think the rehab is for? The implication that the rehab is for the return is way too overwhelming to miss. The commercials show him rehabbing, not returning. Return is the goal, rehab is the process. In the commercial he was "in the process" with hyper suggestions of the goal. Its just semantics.


Again, you're believing what you want to believe, while reading things inaccurately. I'm all for talking about this, I love talking about basketball whether it's x's and o'x or shit like this, but at least quote me accurately. That's all I ask.

So what am I to believe? You said I was eerie because I remembered what you said better than you did, tho it was only a couple of days ago. You suggested I was crazy and imagining things that you ACTUALLY did post. I am supposed to believe in you right. A simple "my bad" I forgot I posted this is better than the rehab vs return nonsense. The other argument is really a concession on your part. And you were trying to suggest I was crazy (deep end) for a post in which I just basically point out what you said?

[lpublic_enemyl]

honestly i was a big supporter of rose to come back when he is ready. But the annoying thing is that does all this shit and practice and they say he looks good but he doesn't play. If he isn't gonna play, tell the media that he is out for the rest of the season and remove this huge distraction.

[NumberSix]

honestly i was a big supporter of rose to come back when he is ready. But the annoying thing is that does all this shit and practice and they say he looks good but he doesn't play. If he isn't gonna play, tell the media that he is out for the rest of the season and remove this huge distraction.
This. If you're gonna sit out, just sit out and put a fcuking end to it. They've been c0ckteasing "the return" all season. Just say "I'm out for the season" and get it over with.

[Ancient Legend]

Torn ACL? Iman Shumpert says hi:

http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-05-07/a0200721-548a-477a-8ad5-87b637d644b4_shump.gif

[NumberSix]

Torn ACL? Iman Shumpert says hi:

http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-05-07/a0200721-548a-477a-8ad5-87b637d644b4_shump.gif
To be fair, Shumpurt didn't injure his muscle memory.

[TheTruth11]

The irrational hate on Rose is amazing. There is something about the guy that has always made him a lightening rod for haters. Is it jealousy?

[General]

The irrational hate on Rose is amazing. There is something about the guy that has always made him a lightening rod for haters. Is it jealousy?
The dude is a coward. He's practicing at full speed yet he's not playing even 15min a game? His stans will defend him even if he doesn't come back at the start of next season. They are in denial.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Torn ACL? Iman Shumpert says hi:

http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2013-05-07/a0200721-548a-477a-8ad5-87b637d644b4_shump.gif
Another BEASTLY Chicago product.

:pimp:

[liquidrage]

Rose has no physical injuries.

Ding ding ding.

There's no nagging injury. There's no making it worse. He doesn't have a bum ankle or a bum knee. He tore is knee, it was repaired, and he's long since been cleared to play on it.

[Djarum]

Option 1:

Ignore the advice of peers who have went through the same injury as well as advice from licensed physicians and return to your career because thousands of completely ignorant fans with absolutely zero relevant experience want you to.

Option 2:

Listen to advice from people who have experienced this. Listen to licensed physicians that are not biased because your team pays their checks. Ignore the idiot sheep who don't know shit. Think about your career and take the longer, safer road to recovery.


:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
HOW DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND HIS DECISION LMAO

[Dro]

Option 1:

Ignore the advice of peers who have went through the same injury as well as advice from licensed physicians and return to your career because thousands of completely ignorant fans with absolutely zero relevant experience want you to.

Option 2:

Listen to advice from people who have experienced this. Listen to licensed physicians that are not biased because your team pays their checks. Ignore the idiot sheep who don't know shit. Think about your career and take the longer, safer road to recovery.


:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
HOW DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND HIS DECISION LMAO
Quoted for ****ing truth..wish all these spoiled, uninformed idiots would shut the **** up.

[tomtucker]

"budding" superstar.............:wtf:

[CelticBaller]

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[R.I.P.]

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[Sarcastic]

The irrational hate on Rose is amazing. There is something about the guy that has always made him a lightening rod for haters. Is it jealousy?


It's not irrational. He has been cleared to play by doctors, meanwhile his team is a walking infirmary, and he still refuses to play. On top of that he has been completely vague about it for months, saying maybe I will play, maybe I wont.

[niko]

It's too late now anyway. He ****ed up, the time he needed to come back was month's ago. If he came back now he'd need to work his way back to game shape, game speed. He'd suck anyway.