2013 London Euroleague Final Four Game Thread

[Euroleague]

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/44075/13285996-145b-43d1-8e3e-bb80bf38e6a2/87b/filename/f42013-h-white.png

http://www.puzzlepuzzles.com/imatjes/final-four-london-2013-eu_5182827d79981-p.jpg


The 2013 London Euroleague Final Four will be broadcast live on television, by 71 networks in 199 countries, on six continents.

http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/london-2013/main-page/i/113079/7980


The 2013 London Euroleague Final Four takes place at the 20,000 seat London O2 arena.

http://s23.postimg.org/sug647u63/0004_the_o2_gets_ready_for_the_2013_final_four.jpg

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Semifinals:


Game 1:

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/21597/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/2a0/filename/665.png

Lineup for the semifinal:

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Kostas Sloukas
SG Acie Law/Dimitrios Katsivelis/Martynas Gecevicius
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Stratos Perperoglou
PF Georgios Printezis/Pero Antic
C Josh Powell/Kyle Hines/Georgi Shermadini

Coach: Georgios Bartzokas


vs.

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/14520/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/708/filename/665.png

Lineup for the semifinal:

PG Milos Teodosic/Theo Papaloukas
SG Aaron Jackson/Anton Ponkrashov/Eugeny Voronov
SF Sonny Weems/Vladimir Micov
PF Viktor Khryapa/Zoran Erceg/Andrey Vorontsevich
C Sasha Kaun/Nenad Krstic

Coach: Ettore Messina


Game 2:


http://www.euroleague.net/rs/34486/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/f2b/filename/665.png

Lineup for the semifinal:

PG Marcelinho Huertas/Victor Sada
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Sarunas Jasikevicius
SF Joe Ingles/Alex Abrines/Xavi Rabaseda
PF Erazem Lorbek/C.J. Wallace
C Ante Tomic/Marko Todorovic/Nate Jawai

Coach: Xavi Pascual


vs.

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/14521/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/4a4/filename/665.png

Lineup for the semifinal:

PG Sergio Llull/Sergio Rodriguez/Dontaye Draper
SG Rudy Fernandez/Jaycee Carroll
SF Carlos Suarez
PF Nikola Mirotic/Felipe Reyes
C Mirza Begic/Marcus Slaughter/Rafael Hettsheimeir

Coach: Pablo Laso


2013 London Euroleague Final Four Preview Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZxW2BI7hNs

[Kaspah]

:facepalm

[chains5000]

I Feel Devotion
:oldlol:


Madrid's winning this, despite of Laso.

[dannywpt]

http://newnation.sg/wp-content/uploads/random-pic-internet-25.jpg

[Wavves]

A team with Acie Law and Josh Powell starting is one of the best 4 teams in Euroleague :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[CeltsGarlic]

:oldlol:


Madrid's winning this, despite of Laso.

no way

[chains5000]

no way
You think CSKA will win?

[madmax]

A team with Acie Law and Josh Powell starting is one of the best 4 teams in Euroleague :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

hater:mad:
NBA only fans should forbidden to comment on such underrated talents like Powell and Law, not even mentioning mighty V-Span here...

[CeltsGarlic]

You think CSKA will win?
Barsa.

[chains5000]

Barsa.
Not sure, they've been dissapointing this season.
Should be a great game between them and Madrid though.

[CeltsGarlic]

Not sure, they've been dissapointing this season.
Should be a great game between them and Madrid though.

They have the golden boy :pimp: .... who is 37.

Not that, but I think its either them or cska.

[Wavves]

hater:mad:
NBA only fans should forbidden to comment on such underrated talents like Powell and Law, not even mentioning mighty V-Span here...

Not sure if being sarcastic or not...

[cos88]

let's make Op is a phagot how likes to post on the wrong board official thread

[Euroleague]

A team with Acie Law and Josh Powell starting is one of the best 4 teams in Euroleague :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

There is no difference between starters and bench in Euroleague moron.

And Law stars because the starting guard of Olympiacos, Vangelis Mantzaris, suffered a season-ending knee injury.

Josh Powell plays 13 minutes a game.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=004422&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=e2012

And again, there is no such thing as a difference between starters and bench in Euroleague.

The Euroleague teams don't make any such rule about starters, like the NBA does.

And Law was a 4 year rotation player in the NBA. Powell was a rotation player on a team that won back to back NBA championships.

Stop being a moron and stop trolling.

[Wavves]

There is no difference between starters and bench in Euroleague moron.

And Law stars because the starting guard of Olympiacos, Vangelis Mantzaris, suffered a season-ending knee injury.

Josh Powell plays 13 minutes a game.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=004422&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=e2012

And again, there is no such thing as a difference between starters and bench in Euroleague.

The Euroleague teams don't make any such rule about starters, like the NBA does.

Stop being a moron and stop trolling.

Slightly hypocritical, but okay.

[SpurrDurr]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Goatse_8f572b_543932.jpg

[Euroleague]

Barsa.

Has Jawai's status been decided yet?

[DuMa]

Sonny Weems :bowdown:

[CeltsGarlic]

Has Jawai's status been decided yet?

I dunno , they say its a small chance, but I think he will play.

[Euroleague]

Not sure, they've been dissapointing this season.
Should be a great game between them and Madrid though.

I actually think they did well considering the age of their old players, how inexperienced their young players are, and with how many injuries they have had.

I had them as minimum of quarterfinals, and probable Final Four, but not winning it. So far they are pretty much on track, even though they had more injury issues than I was expecting with their older players.

[Clutch]

I would definitely watch all the games from Final 4 but the Warriors-Spurs game is on Sunday at 3:30 pm and the Euroleague Final game is on Sunday at 3:00 pm.

It somehow kills the excitement when you know you won't be able to watch the Final.

[Euroleague]

I would definitely watch all the games from Final 4 but the Warriors-Spurs game is on Sunday at 3:30 pm and the Euroleague Final game is on Sunday at 3:00 pm.

It somehow kills the excitement when you know you won't be able to watch the Final.

I think ESPN3 and NBATV will have replays of the final available.

[Clutch]

I think ESPN3 and NBATV will have replays of the final available.
I'm from Europe so there will be multiple channels that will show the replay. Still,I don't enjoy watching games when I already know the score.

[RagaZ]

El Clasico:bowdown:

No American game is bigger than El Clasico. Fact.

[Euroleague]

El Clasico:bowdown:

No American game is bigger than El Clasico. Fact.

Yeah, it's nice that it happens in London too. They will at least recognize that.

[madmax]

El Clasico:bowdown:

No American game is bigger than El Clasico. Fact.

yup, and Real will kick Barca's ass too:pimp:

[CeltsGarlic]

yup, and Real will kick Barca's ass too:pimp:

Well thats funny, since pocius(zal) vs jaska (rytas) .

even tho jasikevicius is green inside so whatever.
peace

[madmax]

Well thats funny, since pocius(zal) vs jaska (rytas) .

even tho jasikevicius in green inside so whatever.
peace

:wtf:

[duskovujosevic]

i will watch games, it's time for CSKA to win this.

[Andrew Wiggins]

"At the 02 in London for the Euroleague Final Four. Gym is unfortunately 85% empty right now. CSKA-Olympiacos tipping in a few minutes. #ELF4"

:facepalm :oldlol:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Definitely looking forward to this.
Ooo I didnt know that CSKA-Oly is already on.

[Fiba basketball]

Oly is double teaming Teodosic every time he gets the ball and without him CSKA can't do anything on offense .

[LEFT4DEAD]

Olympiacos already on +12. Great team game on both ends.

[chazzy]

Powell was a rotation player on a team that won back to back NBA championships.

:oldlol:

[Grinder]

Oly is double teaming Teodosic every time he gets the ball and without him CSKA can't do anything on offense .

Teodosic is making poor decisions and can't make any shots. He hasn't been doubled teamed most of the second quarter either.


CSKA is playing like shit...they can't make any shots and look nervous. They're very lucky to be down only 12 at the half.

3/10 from the FT line

[duskovujosevic]

Oly is double teaming Teodosic every time he gets the ball and without him CSKA can't do anything on offense .

tactic that give results, since teo is the first offense string. Pretty good defense. CSKA will strugle during the match

[LEFT4DEAD]

I really cant believe that this Spanoulis guy is the Euroleague's MVP. WTF, guy's looking like an amateur out there.

[Fiba basketball]

Teodosic is making poor decisions and can't make any shots. He hasn't been doubled teamed most of the second quarter either.


CSKA is playing like shit...they can't make any shots and look nervous. They're very lucky to be down only 12 at the half.

3/10 from the FT line


I wrote this in the first quarter . Anyway I don't think he is making bad decisions he only had that bad pass to Weems and his shot selections is the same as during the season it's just that he can't hit anything .

I expect much better game from CSKA in 2nd half , their player are too good to keep missing that much .

[ukballer]

Had hoped to be able to go along and catch a few games as I live less than 2 hours drive away, but other commitments etc.

[alenleomessi]

wasnt ante tomic playing for real madrid? wtf
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[madmax]

CSKA getting embarrassed by these scrubs again...:facepalm
WTF is wrong with that ***** Krstic anyway - he is singlehandedly costing the game for his team. Fookin scrub

[Fiba basketball]

I wrote this in the first quarter . Anyway I don't think he is making bad decisions he only had that bad pass to Weems and his shot selections is the same as during the season it's just that he can't hit anything .

I expect much better game from CSKA in 2nd half , their player are too good to keep missing that much .

Looks like I was wrong .

I like Krstic but he is a ***** , every time in a big game he can't do anything . Otheres had a bad game but they were trying and were getting pissed of but Krstic just watched and waited to go to the bench so he doesn't need to do anything .

[KG215]

The Euroleague teams don't make any such rule about starters, like the NBA does.

Powell was a rotation player on a team that won back to back NBA championships.

Wrong. He only played in 14 of the Lakers 23 playoff games in 2009, getting 5 MPG, which means he probably got most of his minutes in the 4th quarter of some blowouts.

In 2010 he only played in 13 of the 23 playoff games, getting just 3 MPG. That's not a rotation player dumbass.

[Euroleague]

Olympiacos was struggling almost all game on offense, and missed a ton of wide open shots that normally they would make at least a decent amount of and they also had some stretches where they got a little tight and threw the ball away with dumb passes.

And despite that, they literally dominated the living hell out of CSKA. Total rape. Teodosic, Papaloukas, Krstic, Khryapa....a lot of big names in Euroleague got totally embarrassed out there.

Messina looked like he had given up about halfway through the 2nd quarter. Bartzokas' defensive plan just owned his ass.

And Weems proved again that he's not up to the top Euroleague level. If he does not get a wide open shot from the defense, he's totally useless.

Teodosic, Papaloukas, Krstic.................just pathetic. Truly pathetic from such players. They got taken out back to the wood shed.

[Djetic]

Krstic and Teodosic went 2-14 FG and 2-8 from the line.Choke ain't word strong enough for this.

I am impressed with Hines, guy played hard and even undersized for center grabbed 10 rebounds vs guys like Krstic and Kaun.Definitely along with Antic MoM.

[Euroleague]

Krstic and Teodosic went 2-14 FG and 2-8 from the line.Choke ain't word strong enough for this.

I am impressed with Hines, guy played hard and even undersized for center grabbed 10 rebounds vs guys like Krstic and Kaun.Definitely along with Antic MoM.

Perperoglou also had a great game.


Anyways.......

Olympiacos 69 - CSKA 52


and now on to El Cl

[alenleomessi]

:facepalm at pero antic helping those greek fa*s
couldnt do it for us :facepalm

[Euroleague]

:facepalm at pero antic helping those greek fa*s
couldnt do it for us :facepalm

You do realize that he's spent many years playing in Greece right? I mean he was a teenager when he started playing in Greece, and stayed there for a long time.

[KG215]

WRONG. He was a rotation player on back to back NBA teams.

Now **** off and burn in hell where you belong.
Scroll down towards the bottom and look at the playoff averages.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html

He wasn't a rotation player in the playoffs and a fringe rotation player in the regular season, at best.

[Fiba basketball]

I'm just listening to Dzikic and Trifunovic talking about this game and they have some interesting stuff to say .

They say that it's weird that in 3rd quarter when you want to catch up and you have Krstic on the floor you put Papaloukas and Jackson on the floor when they are worst shooters of all the CSKA guards . Oly just left them open and defended Krstic so they didn't have a way to score .

Also at start of the game when CSKA doubled Teodosic after pick and roll they said Jackson should have been running pnr and Teodosic should have been waiting on the weak side to shot the 3 .

[madmax]

I'm just listening to Dzikic and Trifunovic talking about this game and they have some interesting stuff to say .

They say that it's weird that in 3rd quarter when you want to catch up and you have Krstic on the floor you put Papaloukas and Jackson on the floor when they are worst shooters of all the CSKA guards . Oly just left them open and defended Krstic so they didn't have a way to score .

Also at start of the game when CSKA doubled Teodosic after pick and roll they said Jackson should have been running pnr and Teodosic should have been waiting on the weak side to shot the 3 .

yop, Messina got outcoached badly again...
dude is way past it as far as I'm concerned - CSKA never looked convincing during the whole season and lost plenty of games to much inferior opponents. Having two headcases Krstic and Teodosic in do-or-die games doesn't help either. The way they sabotaged their team today was absolutely disgusting to watch

[fragokota]

i don't think anyone had seen this coming. 20 points blow out win at such a game?? and what an awful offensively game by cska....nice basketball night by the way,barca real right now and later on the CHI - MIA dogfight

[Grinder]

Sergio Llull and Rodriguez were great in the first half. Rodriguez, especially, is pick apart the Bar

[Fiba basketball]

What a 3 by Huertas , he is playing very good so far .

[King1991nba]

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
At the 02 in London for the Euroleague Final Four. Gym is unfortunately 85% empty right now. CSKA-Olympiacos tipping in a few minutes

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Very underwhelming first game here at the Euroleague Final Four. Gym half full & CSKA couldn't buy a basket. Hopefully Real-Barca is better.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Missed opportunity for the Euroleague in London. If promoting basketball was the goal here, the ticket prices should have been much lower.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Ticket prices for the Euroleague Final Four were 150 pounds ($230). No tickets available at box office tonight even though gym is half full.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
NBA Scouts were charged 500 Euro ($650) for Friday/Sunday's games and the tickets didn't include any type of hospitality. Prices are crazy.

[Euroleague]

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
At the 02 in London for the Euroleague Final Four. Gym is unfortunately 85% empty right now. CSKA-Olympiacos tipping in a few minutes

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Very underwhelming first game here at the Euroleague Final Four. Gym half full & CSKA couldn't buy a basket. Hopefully Real-Barca is better.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Missed opportunity for the Euroleague in London. If promoting basketball was the goal here, the ticket prices should have been much lower.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
Ticket prices for the Euroleague Final Four were 150 pounds ($230). No tickets available at box office tonight even though gym is half full.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
NBA Scouts were charged 500 Euro ($650) for Friday/Sunday's games and the tickets didn't include any type of hospitality. Prices are crazy.

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=250&seasoncode=E2012#!boxscore

Attendance: 9218

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=251&seasoncode=E2012#!boxscore

Attendance: 13193

Jonathan Givony is full of shit and he is lying out his ass.

The average ticket price is $450.

[Euroleague]

yop, Messina got outcoached badly again...
dude is way past it as far as I'm concerned - CSKA never looked convincing during the whole season and lost plenty of games to much inferior opponents. Having two headcases Krstic and Teodosic in do-or-die games doesn't help either. The way they sabotaged their team today was absolutely disgusting to watch

CSKA's point guard play from Teodosic and Papaloukas was about the most dreadful thing I've ever seen in a Final Four game. Messina is a moron.

Bartzokas destroyed him. I mean damn, how hard would it have been for Messina to at least try Ponkrashov at some point?

Freaking €40 million euros budget...............

€3 million euros net income a season to Krstic to choke in 2 straight years in the biggest game of the season............

And now the rumors in Greece are they are going to throw €5 million a season at Spanoulis.

[Euroleague]

On the Barca and Real game -

Sergio Rodriguez and Felipe Reyes both played the by far and away best games I've ever seen them play, and probably they both played the best games of their whole lives.

I don't see something like that happening 2 games in a row. Although on the other side, Carroll was awful and that probably does not happen 2 games in a row either.

But really...........no Mickeal, no Jawai, an injured Wallace.......and it was still a fairly tight game until the last 3-4 minutes.

My conclusion is that if both Real and Olympiacos play at the same level they did in the semis, then Olympiacos will repeat with absolute ease. Real Madrid will have to pick up their game a lot.

Llull made his points, but he still can't run an offense worth a crap and he's still not a point guard and ruins their offensive rhythm when they play him as one.

I don't think they can expect Reyes and Rodriguez to play that well again, so someone else has to step up. Rudy or Carroll have to bring it more.

It also feels like Olympiacos matches up better with Real than they do with Barca. Even with Barca's injury problems, while Olympiacos should in theory beat them without much trouble, Tomic could be a big problem for Olympiacos and I think that could have been a real danger match up at center for them. Real is obviously a better team than injured Barca, but they don't really have anyone like Tomic that could just flat out torch Olympiacos.


Finally....I suspect the 3rd place game will mark the end of the Euroleague careers of both Jasikevicius and Papaloukas. I guess it's fitting symbolically that they would play their last game against each other.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague Final:


http://www.euroleague.net/rs/21597/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/2a0/filename/665.png

Lineup for the final:

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Kostas Sloukas
SG Acie Law/Dimitrios Katsivelis/Martynas Gecevicius
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Stratos Perperoglou
PF Georgios Printezis/Pero Antic
C Josh Powell/Kyle Hines/Georgi Shermadini

Coach: Georgios Bartzokas


vs.

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/14521/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/4a4/filename/665.png

Lineup for the semifinal:

PG Sergio Llull/Sergio Rodriguez/Dontaye Draper
SG Rudy Fernandez/Jaycee Carroll
SF Carlos Suarez
PF Nikola Mirotic/Felipe Reyes
C Mirza Begic/Marcus Slaughter/Rafael Hettsheimeir

Coach: Pablo Laso


2013 London Euroleague Final Four Preview Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZxW2BI7hNs

[alenleomessi]

i was thinking of watching but its at the same time with the warriors-spurs game

too bad

why doesnt antic start?

[Euroleague]

i was thinking of watching but its at the same time with the warriors-spurs game

too bad

why doesnt antic start?

How many times do I have to explain to you that Euroleague teams don't have starters and bench like the NBA? I've said it about 50 times here and you still can't grasp it?

Euroleague teams use 10-12 players EQUALLY. Stop being such a freaking idiot.

[Euroleague]

The 3rd Place Game:


http://www.euroleague.net/rs/14520/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/708/filename/665.png

Lineup for the 3rd place game:

PG Milos Teodosic/Aaron Jackson
SG Sonny Weems/Theo Papaloukas/Anton Ponkrashov
SF Viktor Khryapa/Vladimir Micov/Aleksey Zozulin
PF Andrey Vorontsevich/Zoran Erceg
C Sasha Kaun/Nenad Krstic

Coach: Ettore Messina


vs.


http://www.euroleague.net/rs/34486/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/f2b/filename/665.png

Lineup for the 3rd place game:

PG Marcelinho Huertas/Sarunas Jasikevicius
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Alex Abrines
SF Joe Ingles/Xavi Rabaseda
PF Erazem Lorbek/C.J. Wallace
C Ante Tomic/Marko Todorovic/Papa Mbaye

Coach: Xavi Pascual

[gabepizza]

Euroleague Final:


http://www.euroleague.net/rs/21597/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/2a0/filename/665.png

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Kostas Sloukas
SG Acie Law/Dimitrios Katsivelis/Martynas Gecevicius
SF Kostas Papanikolaou/Stratos Perperoglou
PF Georgios Printezis/Pero Antic
C Josh Powell/Kyle Hines/Georgi Shermadini

Coach: Georgios Bartzokas


vs.

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/14521/665343d4-1b29-4bdf-ba26-c9e7e7af2c77/4a4/filename/665.png

PG Sergio Llull/Sergio Rodriguez/Dontaye Draper
SG Rudy Fernandez/Jaycee Carroll
SF Carlos Suarez
PF Nikola Mirotic/Felipe Reyes
C Mirza Begic/Marcus Slaughter/Rafael Hettsheimeir

Coach: Pablo Laso


2013 London Euroleague Final Four Preview Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZxW2BI7hNs

Question: What's the difference between a Euroleague Final Four and a D-League Final Four?

Answer: Euroleague Final Four has more undrafted American players. At least the D-League Final Four has American players, that while not able to make the NBA, were at least late round draft round picks because some people believed they might have to potential to play at NBA level. Too bad the same can't be said about the skill level of the players in the Euroleague Final Four.

(said in the movie preview voice) "And now the championship. The career NBA back-up Rudy Fernandez leads his team of undrafted scrubs against the most famous of NBA scrubs Vassilis "Scrub" Spanoulis and his team of undrafted nobodys. Yet the excitement begin."

The winner of this game gets a rematch against the Nigerian national team.
:cheers:

[Euroleague]

Just a small portion of "gabepizza's" aliases on this and other basketball forums:

SamFisher, KWSN-Men, B-bob, StupidMoniker, Grinder, Dr.J4ever, mike, Nook, Gabe, Arkadios, Black Urum, and about 10 others.

In case anyone is interested, he's an Albanian Turk that pretends to be American, Italian and Greek on various different sites.

[gabepizza]

Just a small portion of "gabepizza's" aliases on this and other basketball forums:

SamFisher, KWSN-Men, B-bob, StupidMoniker, Grinder, Dr.J4ever, mike, Nook, Gabe, Arkadios, Black Urum, and about 10 others.

In case anyone is interested, he's an Albanian Turk that pretends to be American, Italian and Greek on various different sites.

I'm really a Turkish Albanian but who's counting?

[Andrew Wiggins]

Just a small portion of "gabepizza's" aliases on this and other basketball forums:

SamFisher, KWSN-Men, B-bob, StupidMoniker, Grinder, Dr.J4ever, mike, Nook, Gabe, Arkadios, Black Urum, and about 10 others.

In case anyone is interested, he's an Albanian Turk that pretends to be American, Italian and Greek on various different sites.

how many basketball forums do you visit? :wtf:

[gabepizza]

how many basketball forums do you visit? :wtf:

Of course I am not all those aliases. The only one he is correct on is I am Gabe who posts in ballininEurope. All the rest are not me. I am also Italian/Jewish American who lives in NYC.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Of course I am not all those aliases. The only one he is correct on is I am Gabe who posts in ballininEurope. All the rest are not me. I am also Italian/Jewish American who lives in NYC.

i didn't think you are, i was asking the poster euroleague how many basketball websites he visits

[Euroleague]

Of course I am not all those aliases. The only one he is correct on is I am Gabe who posts in ballininEurope. All the rest are not me. I am also Italian/Jewish American who lives in NYC.

You are an Albanian Turk.

[Le Shaqtus]

I feel some racism coming on :lol

[Sakkreth]

Basketball level in this f4 is around lower seed playoff teams in nba, gabepizza u can troll euroleague poster, but you can do it by not discrediting european basketball.

[Rooster]

Basketball level in this f4 is around lower seed playoff teams in nba, gabepizza u can troll euroleague poster, but you can do it by not discrediting european basketball.

Those 4 teams would probably battle

For the worst NBA record ever

If they are playing NBA rules

I can't imagine those unfit bums and scrubs:rolleyes:

Trying to guard NBA players one on one:oldlol:

[Rooster]

Question: What's the difference between a Euroleague Final Four and a D-League Final Four?

Answer: Euroleague Final Four has more undrafted American players. At least the D-League Final Four has American players, that while not able to make the NBA, were at least late round draft round picks because some people believed they might have to potential to play at NBA level. Too bad the same can't be said about the skill level of the players in the Euroleague Final Four.

(said in the movie preview voice) "And now the championship. The career NBA back-up Rudy Fernandez leads his team of undrafted scrubs against the most famous of NBA scrubs Vassilis "Scrub" Spanoulis and his team of undrafted nobodys. Yet the excitement begin."

The winner of this game gets a rematch against the Nigerian national team.
:cheers:

Thanks for keeping it real

Not too long ago

freaking Kleiza and Childress:oldlol:

Led their team to Euroleague Final

[Euroleague]

Basketball level in this f4 is around lower seed playoff teams in nba, gabepizza u can troll euroleague poster, but you can do it by not discrediting european basketball.

gabepizza is a deranged, psychotic lunatic. Just ignore him and his numerous other troll aliases that he is posting under in this thread.

[Fiba basketball]

gabepizza is a deranged, psychotic lunatic. Just ignore him and his numerous other troll aliases that he is posting under in this thread.

You understand that your the one who responds to him . Why don't you just ignore him and otheres who troll you insted of aruing with them ?

[madmax]

Those 4 teams would probably battle

For the worst NBA record ever

If they are playing NBA rules

I can't imagine those unfit bums and scrubs:rolleyes:

Trying to guard NBA players one on one:oldlol:

just like a corpse of Pablo Prigioni

who was useless in Euroleague

apparently is good enough

to start for a second round NBA playoff team

Conclusion?
Eurolegue >> NBA:cheers:

[Euroleague]

That was the best 3rd place game I can ever remember seeing. Barca youngsters are great, especially Abrines is just tremendous for his age.

That behind the back pass by Teodosic...damn.

Navarro once again was unbelievable. Watching Sonny Weems, "the Michael Jordan of Europe" (according to this forum), try to guard him was just hilarious. Navarro was just lighting his ass up.

[Euroleague]

Thanks for keeping it real

Not too long ago

freaking Kleiza and Childress:oldlol:

Led their team to Euroleague Final

Childress? FREAKING CHILDRESS?

Childress was absolutely one of the worst players I ever saw in Euroleague. How dare you even suggest he was better than guys like Bourousis, Papaloukas, Pelekanos, Vasilopoulos, Halperin, Vujcic, Mavrokefalidis, Teodosic, Schortsanitis on that Olympiacos team.

You are going to burn in hell.

[Euroleague]

You understand that your the one who responds to him . Why don't you just ignore him and otheres who troll you insted of aruing with them ?

I'm not responding to him. I was trying to tell some other people about him, that obviously have not yet seen what a nutcase he is yet.

If you remember, not long ago you were one of those people. You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble dealing with that nut, if you would have listened to me from the start when I told you how insane he is.

Anyway, maybe some other guys will heed the warning quicker than you did my friend. I mean, really, anyone that isn't nuts should have that guy on ignore, yet many people here are actually believeing what he says.

Look back through this thread........

Lots of damn posters here saying, "gabepizza only presents facts and truth and indisputable evidence and backs up and proves everything he says here."

And we are talking about the same gabepizza that is by far and away the biggest troll this forum has ever seen. There might be a few other guys here that don't know him that actually have IQs over 120, and maybe they will heed the warning when they get informed of how insane that guy is.

Of course, the ones claiming he is presenting "facts" and "telling the truth" (guys like KG215, Rooster, etc.) obviously have IQs in the mid 60s range.

[Fiba basketball]

That was the best 3rd place game I can ever remember seeing. Barca youngsters are great, especially Abrines is just tremendous for his age.

That behind the back pass by Teodosic...damn.

Navarro once again was unbelievable. Watching Sonny Weems "the Michael Jordan of Europe" (according to this forum) try to guard him was just hilarious. Navarro was just lighting his ass up.

I don't know they didn't play with much energy . Teodosic tried to put on a show with his passing and Navarro had a great game but othere than that and it being the close game it wasn't that good for a game between such big clubs .

[Euroleague]

I don't know they didn't play with much energy . Teodosic tried to put on a show with his passing and Navarro had a great game but othere than that and it being the close game it wasn't that good for a game between such big clubs .

I said it was one of the best 3rd place games.........normally, the 3rd place games are awful. Just watching Weems trying to guard Navarro was worth it. I think Navarro could have had 35 on him if it was a meaningful game.

[Fiba basketball]

I'm not responding to him. I was trying to tell some other people about him, that obviously have not yet seen what a nutcase he is yet.

If you remember, not long ago you were one of those people. You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble dealing with that nut, if you would have listened to me from the start when I told you how insane he is.

Anyway, maybe some other guys will heed the warning quicker than you did my friend. I mean, really, anyone that isn't nuts should have that guy on ignore, yet many people here are actually believeing what he says.

Look back through this thread........

Lots of damn posters here saying, "gabepizza only presents facts and truth and indisputable evidence and backs up and proves everything he says here."

And we are talking about the same gabepizza that is by far and away the biggest troll this forum has ever seen. There might be a few guys here that actually have IQs over 80, and maybe they will heed the warning when they get informed of how insane that guy is.

Of course the ones claiming he is presenting "facts" and "telling the truth" (guys like KG215, Rooster, etc.) obviously have IQs in the mid 60s range.

You make post about him , what he said and how it isn't true that isn't ignoring him . All of the guys that say he posts facts and truth do that to mess with you , I can't belive you don't see that .

[Euroleague]

You make post about him , what he said and how it isn't true that isn't ignoring him . All of the guys that say he posts facts and truth do that to mess with you , I can't belive you don't see that .

Dude, they do NOT do it to mess with me. If you think that, I don't even know what to say. They are NOT doing it to mess with me.

They BELIEVE IT.

You do realize all of those guys literally are RETARDED right? They could not even figure out how to "mess with someone". They are literally retarded. And yes, they fully do BELIEVE everything they are typing.

[Fiba basketball]

I said it was one of the best 3rd place games.........normally, the 3rd place games are awful. Just watching Weems trying to guard Navarro was worth it. I think Navarro could have had 35 on him if it was a meaningful game.

EL should give something to team that wins 3rd place , than it will be more interesting .

They should money to teams that reach top 16 and top 8 too just like teams get rewards in football but I know that isn't possible . EL shoul work on it's marketings , put some comercials like NBA does and stuff like that but they don't seem to care .

[Euroleague]

EL should give something to team that wins 3rd place , than it will be more interesting .

They should money to teams that reach top 16 and top 8 too just like teams get rewards in football but I know that isn't possible . EL shoul work on it's marketings , put some comercials like NBA does and stuff like that but they don't seem to care .

Well, there actually is an incentive in the third place game, since every win counts towards the team and league rankings, which also counts towards the license ranking.

Also, the amount of money each club gets from Euroleague is also determined by per win, and wins in the final four count for more money.

So actually, they already do that.

[Fiba basketball]

Well, there actually is an incentive in the third place game, since every win counts towards the team and league rankings, which also counts towards the license ranking.

Also, the amount of money each club gets from Euroleague is also determined by per win, and wins in the final four count for more money.

So actually, they already do that.

Please you couldn't give salary to cleaning lady with amount of money they give .

And license ranking ? They give those to teams that have money not to ones that deserve it . Remember how Partizan didn't get it but Prokom did ?

[Rooster]

Childress? FREAKING CHILDRESS?

Childress was absolutely one of the worst players I ever saw in Euroleague. How dare you even suggest he was better than guys like Bourousis, Papaloukas, Pelekanos, Vasilopoulos, Halperin, Vujcic, Mavrokefalidis, Teodosic, Schortsanitis on that Olympiacos team.

You are going to burn in hell.

What difference does it make:facepalm

It's minor league:rolleyes:

BTW Childress averaged

15 points 5 rebounds and 2 steals in 52 percent shooting.:bowdown:

And Named in all Euroleague team:applause:

Not bad playing in a farm system.

[Rooster]

just like a corpse of Pablo Prigioni

who was useless in Euroleague

apparently is good enough

to start for a second round NBA playoff team

Conclusion?
Eurolegue >> NBA:cheers:

It would nice if Saras can actually

Pulled that off

When he played against the best

But wait

When will Lithuania ever produce

An elite NBA player

Not in hypothetical scenario

[kaiteng]

Olympiacos vs Real Madrid is about to start! (http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/186342/1/watch-olympiacos-vs-real-madrid.html)

[alenleomessi]

the greek **** getting raped

[CeltsGarlic]

man, spanoulis better pick scoring up ...


Great run by oly. Real was living by some lucky 3s. Mirotic, is a joke tho. Has 2 moves

[CeltsGarlic]

I crazy hate when people say "he plays bigger than he is" but Hines is crazy underrated.

[jamal99]

Spanoulis plays like crap...

[fragokota]

the greek **** getting raped
stfu fyromian

[Luka27]

So the third best player in the world statline at halftime looks like this:
0pts (0-5) 1reb 1ast 3to 2pf

[Grinder]

Spanoulis plays like crap...

0/5, 3 turnovers and 2 fouls. Good thing he has Acie Law to bail him out. :oldlol:

41-37 Real at half time.

[fragokota]

0/5, 3 turnovers and 2 fouls. Good thing he has Acie Law to bail him out. :oldlol:

41-37 Real at half time.

3 3's in a row for v-span and oly up by three early in the third

[Luka27]

3 3's in a row for v-span and oly up by three early in the third
I had a feeling i could jinx :) But really I dont care who wins, just thought it was funny.

[CeltsGarlic]

oly with the toughness.

[jamal99]

What a block!! :bowdown:

[Djetic]

Hines
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Trollsmasher]

Those three 3s in a row were probably the only impressive sequence of play I will ever see by allmighty V-Span.

WE ARE ALL WITNESSES:bowdown:

[red1]

didnt euroleague say spanoulis is better than durant?

[madmax]

V-Span!!!
Proving once again that he's 3rd best player in the world:bowdown:
There's no stopping of this scoring machine in crunch time:applause:

[cos88]

16 second half points for VS7.

make him a statue already.

[Partizan]

Spanoulis took over the game in second half...
Great game:applause:

[Crafty]

Dagger

[Grinder]

Real talk though, Spanoulis is a heck of a player. It's too bad Eurofag has tarnished his name in the eyes of most of the posters on here.

[Fiba basketball]

If 3 years ago someone showed me Hines and told me he will be great C I would have laughed in his face . You won't find anyone who plays with more energy than him .

[Grinder]

If 3 years ago someone showed me Hines and told me he will be great C I would have laughed in his face . You won't find anyone who plays with more energy than him .

It's awesome to watch a 6'5" guy playing center and routinely outplaying guys 5-6 inches taller than him.

That block on Mirotic on the fast break was the momentum changing play IMO. Acie Law played a very composed game as well...took care of the ball, broke the press, and set up the offense well.

[fragokota]

Second straight great game for Olympiacos and back to back european champion.What a great come back, 17 back at the first period and ended the game winning by double ditgits. Exceptional game by Law,Spanoulis(second half),Hines and Perperoglou.

Spanish league may be the best in Europe but what the top two Greek teams (Panathinaikos and Olympiacos) have been doing in Euroleague the last almost twenty years is unreal. 9 out of the last 17 championships have been won by those two teams.

Congratulations to Olympiacos for once again keeping the Greek Basketball at the top :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Grinder]

Dagger

Is that you Maga?

[Partizan]

Real talk though, Spanoulis is a heck of a player. It's too bad Eurofag has tarnished his name in the eyes of most of the posters on here.

He is the heart of the team that repeated in Euroleague (which really isn't easy), I really dont like him and not because of Euroleague the poster, but he really deserves praise for what he is doing.

[kaiteng]

Euroleague is jizzing in his pants now. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Crafty]

Is that you Maga?
Maga?

[Grinder]

He is the heart of the team that repeated in Euroleague (which really isn't easy), I really dont like him and not because of Euroleague the poster, but he really deserves praise for what he is doing.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of his style of play either, he's too turnover prone for my liking, but this team was built very well around him. They defend exceptionally well and always hustle. Role players like Sloukas, Antic and Perperoglou all hit big shots when they were needed too.


Maga?

There was another Portuguese poster here who was a Porto fan named Maga_1. I thought maybe he changed his username.

[alenleomessi]

pero antic wins wherever he goes

[Crafty]

No, not me, I'm new

[fragokota]

pero antic wins wherever he goes

feels salty ***?

[Trollsmasher]

Hines was robbed of Final Four MVP. He easily outplayed Spanoulis in both games.

Even Law was better than V-Span, but they gave it to that bearded *******.

[PAOK]

3rd consecutive euroleague title for a greek team, and the 5th in the last 7 years

:cheers: :cheers:

[Euroleague]

Please you couldn't give salary to cleaning lady with amount of money they give .

And license ranking ? They give those to teams that have money not to ones that deserve it . Remember how Partizan didn't get it but Prokom did ?

You get 25,000 euros for each win in Euroleague and 50,000 euros for winning the 3rd place game. I'm pretty sure that the cleaning ladies don't make that much in a single day.

The club ranking is important. Because the lowest ranked club loses their license.

[Euroleague]

man, spanoulis better pick scoring up ...


Great run by oly. Real was living by some lucky 3s. Mirotic, is a joke tho. Has 2 moves

That run down double block by Hines and Papanikolaou on Mirotic was absolutely EPIC. LMFAO....Mirotic will never live that down the rest of his career.

And to think that a-hole lying TROLL Grinder was here for months telling everyone how Mirotic is clearly the best power forward in Europe and it's not even close and some Bulls stan was here claiming he's the "Next Dirk".........

:roll: :lol :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

So the third best player in the world statline at halftime looks like this:
0pts (0-5) 1reb 1ast 3to 2pf

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Why isn't playing the the NBA and is playing in the shitty Euroleague?

[Euroleague]

Real talk though, Spanoulis is a heck of a player. It's too bad Eurofag has tarnished his name in the eyes of most of the posters on here.

You are a freaking lying scumbag, a retard, and a damn troll. You have bashed Spanoulis for YEARS on numerous basketball forums.

You are a complete joke. **** off.

[Euroleague]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Why isn't playing the the NBA and is playing in the shitty Euroleague?

He can play either league. Whatever he wants genius. The media was already saying that the NBA general managers were all drooling over him after the game.

He's better off with Olympiacos though. The NBA is a joke where coaches like Van Gundy can glue European players to the bench even when they are clearly superior to American players on the team.

And the Euroleague is not "shitty"............both of those teams would totally manhandle most NBA playoff teams. I actually think Real Madrid played one of the best games I ever saw in a Euroleague Final, and they still lost going away - that's how good Olympiacos is.

[duskovujosevic]

i just cant wait some NBA fans shitheads to start about acie law scoring performance.

guys just cant realise that spanoulis broight crucial three points. for me he is the real MVP

[Trollsmasher]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.
He got outplayed by 2 of his teammates in Final Four:durantunimpressed:

Spanoulis basically had 2 good minutes in which he scored a third of his points from both matches combined. Otherwise he was just bricking a shot after shot and was turning the ball over while playing pathetic defense.

[alexd]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.

so much fail here :facepalm :facepalm

[Euroleague]

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=253&seasoncode=E2012#!report

Olympiacos repeats as Euroleague champion!

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45587/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/6c7/filename/copa.jpg

For the second year in a row, Olympiacos Piraeus roared back from a double-digit deficit to become the Turkish Airlines Euroleague champion. The Reds bested Real Madrid 100-88 at The O2 in London after trailing by 17 at the end of the opening quarter and in doing so became just the fourth team to win back-to-back Euroleague titles in the Final Four era.


http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/london-2013/main-page/i/113633/7980/spanoulis-named-bwin-mvp-of-2013-final-four

http://www.euroleague.net/rs/45588/4e8a81df-0469-44c6-884e-110cb73806b9/6ff/filename/vassilis-spanoulis-olympiacos-piraeus-final-four-london-2013.jpg

Vassilis Spanoulis was voted bwin MVP for the 2013 Final Four in a vote by accredited media members at the Final Four. Spanoulis received the Final Four MVP honor for the third time in his career after leading Olympiacos Piraeus to the 2012-13 Turkish Airlines Euroleague title at The O2 in London. He joins the legendary Toni Kukoc as the only players to have been named Final Four MVP on three occasions.

Spanoulis becomes the second player in competition history to become Final Four MVP in the same season he was named Euroleague MVP. His former teammate Dimitris Diamantidis did the same in 2011.

[Euroleague]

i just cant wait some NBA fans shitheads to start about acie law scoring performance.

guys just cant realise that spanoulis broight crucial three points. for me he is the real MVP

They are just NBA only fans trolls that didn't even watch the game and are just here to antagonize in a Euroleague thread. Just ignore them.

[alenleomessi]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.
bo mccalebb, juan carlos navarro are better and about 100 nba players

[Euroleague]

Here's that epic double block by Hines and Papanikolaou on Mirotic.

:roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3B_2bE_e8k

[Euroleague]

bo mccalebb, juan carlos navarro are better and about 100 nba players

Lay of the meth pipe.

[gabepizza]

He can play either league. Whatever he wants genius. The media was already saying that the NBA general managers were all drooling over him after the game.

He's better off with Olympiacos though. The NBA is a joke where coaches like Van Gundy can glue European players to the bench even when they are clearly superior to American players on the team.

And the Euroleague is not "shitty"............both of those teams would totally manhandle most NBA playoff teams. I actually think Real Madrid played one of the best games I ever saw in a Euroleague Final, and they still lost going away - that's how good Olympiacos is.


Spanoulis is a joke and a loser. He can win in a second class league against undrafted players but when he plays in the big leagues he average 4 ppg. Winning in Euroleague is like winning the wheelchair league. He cannot even beat Nigeria when he plays in FIBA. He is an embarrassment to his family, his nation and Europe as a whole. Please retire already. Greece is a butt of enough jokes as it it.

[Euroleague]

Spanoulis is a joke and a loser. He can win in a second class league against undrafted players but when he plays in the big leagues he average 4 ppg. Winning in Euroleague is like winning the wheelchair league. He cannot even beat Nigeria when he plays in FIBA. He is an embarrassment to his family, his nation and Europe as a whole. Please retire already. Greece is a butt of enough jokes as it it.

You are a racist lunatic psychopath and you are totally psychotic.

[gabepizza]

You are a racist lunatic psychopath and you are totally psychotic.

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/ct/4/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/game.html

:rockon:

[Trollsmasher]

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/ct/4/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/game.html

:rockon:
You know you are bad when you lose the best game of your life to Nigeria:lol

[fragokota]

Here's that epic double block by Hines and Papanikolaou on Mirotic.

:roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3B_2bE_e8k
unreal, such a passionate team effort...they just wanted the game so bad and had the balls to win it

[LongLiveTheKing]

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/ct/4/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/game.html

:rockon:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

I think the best way to stop Euroleague from getting attention from posting these weak European basketball threads is to completely ignore him and his posts.

[fragokota]

You know you are bad when you lose the best game of your life to Nigeria:lol

:biggums:

how about this game bro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrVMikaX440

[gabepizza]

:biggums:

how about this game bro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrVMikaX440

That was losing to a Greek Team with Papaloukas in the semi-final of the World Championships 7 years ago. Still embarrassing for Team USA but I don't know how you can compare winning a bronze medal in the world championship to being the 1st team in the history of FIBA to be eliminated by an African team and losing in the Olympic qualifying event.

The Greek team that eliminated the USA 7 years ago was the 2nd best team in the world that year, only losing to Spain in the championship game.

The Nigerian team that eliminated Greece last year was 1-4 in the Olympics, including losing to the US by 83 points.

A little different. That Spanoulis could not even lead his team to a victory over such a weak team confirms why he was so horrible in the NBA. He just is not athletic enough to play at a high level consistently.

[Euroleague]

That was losing to a Greek Team with Papaloukas in the semi-final of the World Championships 7 years ago. Still embarrassing for Team USA but I don't know how you can compare winning a bronze medal in the world championship to being the 1st team in the history of FIBA to be eliminated by an African team and losing in the Olympic qualifying event.

The Greek team that eliminated the USA 7 years ago was the 2nd best team in the world that year, only losing to Spain in the championship game.

The Nigerian team that eliminated Greece last year was 1-4 in the Olympics, including losing to the US by 83 points.

A little different. That Spanoulis could not even lead his team to a victory over such a weak team confirms why he was so horrible in the NBA. He just is not athletic enough to play at a high level consistently.

Funny, because he torched USA twice.

[fragokota]

That was losing to a Greek Team with Papaloukas in the semi-final of the World Championships 7 years ago. Still embarrassing for Team USA but I don't know how you can compare winning a bronze medal in the world championship to being the 1st team in the history of FIBA to be eliminated by an African team and losing in the Olympic qualifying event.

The Greek team that eliminated the USA 7 years ago was the 2nd best team in the world that year, only losing to Spain in the championship game.

The Nigerian team that eliminated Greece last year was 1-4 in the Olympics, including losing to the US by 83 points.

A little different. That Spanoulis could not even lead his team to a victory over such a weak team confirms why he was so horrible in the NBA. He just is not athletic enough to play at a high level consistently.

My point is that as embarassing that it is for team usa to lose from any other non-usa team,the same goes for greece's loss to the nigerians.It was a bad tournament for the greek team overall,period. That doesn't say much about the level of the greek basketball.On the contrary olympiacos' win today, giving the 3rd consecutive Euroleague title in a row to a greek team,shows a lot about the level of the greek basketball in an international level( excluding the nba of course - no comparison whatsoever).

[Rooster]

My point is that as embarassing that it is for team usa to lose from any other non-usa team,the same goes for greece's loss to the nigerians.It was a bad tournament for the greek team overall,period. That doesn't say much about the level of the greek basketball.On the contrary olympiacos' win today, giving the 3rd consecutive Euroleague title in a row to a greek team,shows a lot about the level of the greek basketball in an international level( excluding the nba of course - no comparison whatsoever).

The Level of basketball of Greek

Is the same like VSpan NBA career:oldlol:

Greece has never won any Olympic basketball medal:oldlol:

While our bronze medal was our worst.

Just because you won in a minor league

Around here it's nothing special.:no:

Just like Anthony Parker:oldlol:

[fragokota]

The Level of basketball of Greek

Is the same like VSpan NBA career:oldlol:

Greece has never won any Olympic basketball medal:oldlol:

While our bronze medal was our worst.

Just because you won in a minor league

Around here it's nothing special.:no:

Just like Anthony Parker:oldlol:

Are you retarded son? What part of my post didn't you get?

I excluded the american national team and nba league from any sort of comparison(as being superior from any other international league and team) in the post you just quoted.....

[Kiddlovesnets]

Time to stop discussing a league that most teams get blown out by a Div II NCAA college basketball team. Those weaklings do not deserve our attention.
:rolleyes:

[gabepizza]

Funny, because he torched USA twice.

Twice? When was the 2nd time? You can't possibly be talking about 2008 when V-Span shot 4-13 including 0-5 on threes and Greece lost by 23 points?

[Euroleague]

Twice? When was the 2nd time? You can't possibly be talking about 2008 when V-Span shot 4-13 including 0-5 on threes and Greece lost by 23 points?

They had to double team him almost the whole game. Basically every time they tried to single cover him, using Kobe and all kinds of different combos of defenders.......he scored almost immediately.

Spanoulis is the only player Team USA has double teamed as far as I know.

[gabepizza]

They had to double team him almost the whole game. Basically every time they tried to single cover him, using Kobe and all kinds of different combos of defenders.......he scored almost immediately.

Spanoulis is the only player Team USA has double teamed as far as I know.


Well he only made 4 baskets the whole game so he scored almost immediately at most four times. Add to that he only had 2 assists. You think if he was double teamed the whole game he would be able to get more than 2 assists.

And what does that say about the rest of the Greek team, Bourousis included, that the US "had to double team" Spanoulis and they still lost by 23 points.

Anyway I don't believe you. I have to find the game to watch again. No matter how it went, Greece got blown out. 23 points is almost four times as much as a beating Greece gave the US in 2006.

[Euroleague]

Well he only made 4 baskets the whole game so he scored almost immediately at most four times. Add to that he only had 2 assists. You think if he was double teamed the whole game he would be able to get more than 2 assists.

And what does that say about the rest of the Greek team, Bourousis included, that the US "had to double team" Spanoulis and they still lost by 23 points.

Anyway I don't believe you. I have to find the game to watch again. No matter how it went, Greece got blown out. 23 points is almost four times as much as a beating Greece gave the US in 2006.

It says that you are a ****ing moron that didn't even watch the game. Kobe had to guard Spanoulis and after the game when he was asked about Spanoulis, he said he was an absolutely amazing player.

I will trust Kobe's basketball analysis over yours.

[gabepizza]

It says that you are a ****ing moron that didn't even watch the game. Kobe had to guard Spanoulis and after the game when he was asked about Spanoulis, he said he was an absolutely amazing player.

I will trust Kobe's basketball analysis over yours.

I did watch the game. It was five years ago. I just remember Spanoulis' team getting absolutely destroyed/

[Dr.J4ever]

He can play either league. Whatever he wants genius. The media was already saying that the NBA general managers were all drooling over him after the game.

He's better off with Olympiacos though. The NBA is a joke where coaches like Van Gundy can glue European players to the bench even when they are clearly superior to American players on the team.

And the Euroleague is not "shitty"............both of those teams would totally manhandle most NBA playoff teams. I actually think Real Madrid played one of the best games I ever saw in a Euroleague Final, and they still lost going away - that's how good Olympiacos is.

Hey FIBABasketball, time for you to fess up and say what you really believe. You make it appear Euroleague is the sane one in all these discussions. The question is do you believe that crap above? Specifically, do you even believe V-Span is one of the top 20 players in the world? Or do even believe like this warped man that the Euroleague > NBA?

Answering these questions will help determine who really are deluded in these discussions.

[Euroleague]

The 2013 Euroleague Final between Olympiacos B.C. Piraeus and Real Madrid Baloncesto:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1rRD67_7DI

[Euroleague]

Vassilis Spanoulis 5 three pointers in the 2nd half of the 2013 Euroleague Final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZQqjdFvO64

[Fiba basketball]

Hey FIBABasketball, time for you to fess up and say what you really believe. You make it appear Euroleague is the sane one in all these discussions. The question is do you believe that crap above? Specifically, do you even believe V-Span is one of the top 20 players in the world? Or do even believe like this warped man that the Euroleague > NBA?

Answering these questions will help determine who really are deluded in these discussions.
I already said that I don't even think that Spanoulis is best player in Europe , for me it's still Navarro . I would rank Spanoulis as top 50 player in the world and as one of best European players of all time . I don't think Euroleague players are better than NBA players ( I'm talking on average , there are players in Europe that could be very good in the NBA ) but for me basketball in EL is more entertaining because of the stupid rules NBA has and that rules are making basketball be more of a show than a sport . NBA is still better than EL but it's closer than people think .

[Dr.J4ever]

I already said that I don't even think that Spanoulis is best player in Europe , for me it's still Navarro . I would rank Spanoulis as top 50 player in the world and as one of best European players of all time . I don't think Euroleague players are better than NBA players ( I'm talking on average , there are players in Europe that could be very good in the NBA ) but for me basketball in EL is more entertaining because of the stupid rules NBA has and that rules are making basketball be more of a show than a sport . NBA is still better than EL but it's closer than people think .

Okay, then. Thanks for the clarification. I actually agree with much of what you just said.

[LikeABosh]

LOL only reason this shit isn't deleted of moved to some shitty International basketball thread is because it creates traffic with everyone clowning on Euroleague

[Kiddlovesnets]

LOL only reason this shit isn't deleted of moved to some shitty International basketball thread is because it creates traffic with everyone clowning on Euroleague

This... Seriously, only trolls and idiots like Euroleague care about a shitty league in which mos teams get blown out by an average Div II NCAA team.

[Euroleague]

I already said that I don't even think that Spanoulis is best player in Europe , for me it's still Navarro . I would rank Spanoulis as top 50 player in the world and as one of best European players of all time . I don't think Euroleague players are better than NBA players ( I'm talking on average , there are players in Europe that could be very good in the NBA ) but for me basketball in EL is more entertaining because of the stupid rules NBA has and that rules are making basketball be more of a show than a sport . NBA is still better than EL but it's closer than people think .

List the 49 players that are better than Spanoulis.

[Fiba basketball]

List the 49 players that are better than Spanoulis.

I find ranking players stupid , if you can argue what player is better than players you are arguing about have to be just as good and that it comes to some othere stuff such as what teams do they play for , way they play etc to determin your oppinion . Thats why I rank players in tiers , but I do consider Durant the best player on the world ( I used to consider Dirk the best but he is old now ) .

As for Spanoulis I rank him in same tier as Diamantidis ( not Diamantidis from this year since he wasn't good as before ) , Navarro ( even though I think Navarro is the best player in Europe it can be argued that he isn't ) .

[Euroleague]

I find ranking players stupid , if you can argue what player is better than players you are arguing about have to be just as good and that it comes to some othere stuff such as what teams do they play for , way they play etc to determin your oppinion . Thats why I rank players in tiers , but I do consider Durant the best player on the world ( I used to consider Dirk the best but he is old now ) .

As for Spanoulis I rank him in same tier as Diamantidis ( not Diamantidis from this year since he wasn't good as before ) , Navarro ( even though I think Navarro is the best player in Europe it can be argued that he isn't ) .

You said Spanoulis was a top 50 player, which implies 49 players are better than him. I would like to see this list of your OPINION, which 49 are better than him. Otherwise, you just randomly threw out a number, without even doing one bit of analyzing.

I know it's your opinion, but I want to see the 49 you think are better.

[The Real JW]

You said Spanoulis was a top 50 player, which implies 49 players are better than him.

No, dipshit. Saying he's a "top 50 player" could mean he has him at #50, #49, #25, #13, or #2. Being in the top 50 doesn't mean being exactly the 50th best player. :facepalm

Doesn't matter though. Mr. 2.7 PPG, 31.9% FG Spanoulis isn't top 50 anything, anywhere.

[Dr.J4ever]

You said Spanoulis was a top 50 player, which implies 49 players are better than him. I would like to see this list of your OPINION, which 49 are better than him. Otherwise, you just randomly threw out a number, without even doing one bit of analyzing.

I know it's your opinion, but I want to see the 49 you think are better.

The difference between FIBA and you is sanity. Nobody believes in your BS. It's you vs the world. Genius or nut? LOL

[Dr.J4ever]

And to FIBA, please continue posting reasonable posts as you have been doing. Many Americans are not educated on Euro basketball, and there are legitimate contributions that Euro style basketball can and has brought to the NBA.

BTW, Adrian Woj of Yahoo has said that Ettore Messina may become the new HC of the Hawks. FIBA, do you think Messina will be able to make the adjustment?

[Akhenaten]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.

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[Fiba basketball]

You said Spanoulis was a top 50 player, which implies 49 players are better than him. I would like to see this list of your OPINION, which 49 are better than him. Otherwise, you just randomly threw out a number, without even doing one bit of analyzing.

I know it's your opinion, but I want to see the 49 you think are better.

As The Real JW said top 50 doesn't mean I have him at 50 . I don't have time to think about who are 50 best players and have would I rank them but Spanoulis is top 50 for sure and thats why I said that .

[Sakkreth]

And to FIBA, please continue posting reasonable posts as you have been doing. Many Americans are not educated on Euro basketball, and there are legitimate contributions that Euro style basketball can and has brought to the NBA.

BTW, Adrian Woj of Yahoo has said that Ettore Messina may become the new HC of the Hawks. FIBA, do you think Messina will be able to make the adjustment?

Hawks is probably like furthest from european style of play there is in nba. They rely on athleticism and plays boneheaded basketball. Well their roster kind of dictates that so not sure what Messina would change, really not the best team to play european type of ball.

[Fiba basketball]

And to FIBA, please continue posting reasonable posts as you have been doing. Many Americans are not educated on Euro basketball, and there are legitimate contributions that Euro style basketball can and has brought to the NBA.

BTW, Adrian Woj of Yahoo has said that Ettore Messina may become the new HC of the Hawks. FIBA, do you think Messina will be able to make the adjustment?

Messina is for me the most overrated coach in Europe . He always had big budjects but only won EL 4 times and after that he didn't do anything . He coached Real for two years but they only made F4 the season he left them after top 16 .

This season he had by far the biggest budget in EL and he had possibility to sign almost every players in Europe and he faild . Everything depends on Teodosic , they lost to Krasnye Krylia couple of weeks ago because he didn't play freaking Krasnye Krylia ( nothing against them but they are Eurochallenge team and team that plays on EL F4 should destroy them by 30+ ). When Spanoulis played horrible in the top 8 Oly still advanced to F4 , when he played bad against CSKA they still destroyed them , when he played horrible in first half against Real it was still a close game because coach did his job and made them work as a team and not depend on one player . With CSKA it's Weems playing iso or giving ball to Teodosic , they don't have any othere solution on offense . I noticed some nice plays mostly for Teodosic and Weems but that's about it from what I saw from Messina .

[Dr.J4ever]

Hawks is probably like furthest from european style of play there is in nba. They rely on athleticism and plays boneheaded basketball. Well their roster kind of dictates that so not sure what Messina would change, really not the best team to play european type of ball.

Well, Joe Johnson has been gone a year, and Josh Smith is a FA, and not likely to be re-signed, so re-building could be in the Hawk's future. Danny Ferry, Hawk's GM, is said to be a big believer in Messina, and Messina looks at the opportunity as a sort of trailblazer for Euro born coaches to make a mark in the NBA.

[Dr.J4ever]

Messina is for me the most overrated coach in Europe . He always had big budjects but only won EL 4 times and after that he didn't do anything . He coached Real for two years but they only made F4 the season he left them after top 16 .

This season he had by far the biggest budget in EL and he had possibility to sign almost every players in Europe and he faild . Everything depends on Teodosic , they lost to Krasnye Krylia couple of weeks ago because he didn't play freaking Krasnye Krylia ( nothing against them but they are Eurochallenge team and team that plays on EL F4 should destroy them by 30+ ). When Spanoulis played horrible in the top 8 Oly still advanced to F4 , when he played bad against CSKA they still destroyed them , when he played horrible in first half against Real it was still a close game because coach did his job and made them work as a team and not depend on one player . With CSKA it's Weems playing iso or giving ball to Teodosic , they don't have any othere solution on offense . I noticed some nice plays mostly for Teodosic and Weems but that's about it from what I saw from Messina .

I agree with you about Navarro, although he was probably better a couple years ago. JCN always seemed to give Team USA fits since the US would focus so much on the Gasol brothers, especially the US sending teams that lack size. JCN also was 2nd team all rookie in the NBA when he played, and you know what? Memphis could really use him right about now since this is Memphis weakness against the spurs: their lack of range from their shooters.
He would fit in with Memphis now even if he would be a defensive liability because Memphis has so many tough defenders anyway.

I don't think Span is top 50, but V-Span is the top PG in Europe today. Hopefully, he can finally come over the pond to finally put to rest all the arguments that he wasn't used the right way. I don't fully buy that but his recent performance in the EL surely deserves a 2nd look by NBA teams. We'll see.

Messina and V-Span in the NBA for 2013-2014 would create a lot of intriguing ISH story lines for us to follow.

How 'bout Teodosic? Is he NBA material?

[CavaliersFTW]

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[CavaliersFTW]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world.
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[Euroleague]

Vassilis Spanoulis IS the best basketball player in the world.

[jamal99]

How 'bout Teodosic? Is he NBA material?
Defensive liability for sure. Other than that, can't really tell. He plays wild basketball most of the time, shooting a lot even if he's not hitting shots, making highlight passes on the fastbreak... When it comes to crunch time, he'll demand the ball and then he can bury you even deeper or win the game for you.
He was always better than Rubio in Europe, at least on offense and Rubio is like 10/10 player in NBA while he was like 5/3 in Europe.
One thing's sure, I'd like to see him try.

[Raymone]

Vassilis Spanoulis IS the best basketball player in the world.

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[Raymone]

Never heard of Spenuolis until now. Had to look him up.

NBA: 2.7 PPG, 0.7 RPG, 0.9 APG, 0.2 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 31.9% FG, 17.2% 3PT, 81.0% FT
Euroleague: 13.1 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 46.5% FG, 34.6% 3PT, 82.0% FT

GOAT stats right there :roll:

[Euroleague]

Defensive liability for sure. Other than that, can't really tell. He plays wild basketball most of the time, shooting a lot even if he's not hitting shots, making highlight passes on the fastbreak... When it comes to crunch time, he'll demand the ball and then he can bury you even deeper or win the game for you.
He was always better than Rubio in Europe, at least on offense and Rubio is like 10/10 player in NBA while he was like 5/3 in Europe.
One thing's sure, I'd like to see him try.

Teodosic's weaknesses are bad attitude, headcase, chucker, defense at the one at times............NONE of those things are frowned upon in the NBA. In many cases the NBA coaches even prefer such players.

He would do much better in the NBA than he does in Euroleague. Just like all the other point guards like Lawson, Rubio, Neal, Dragic, Calderon, Jennings, etc. all of them having huge increases in production in NBA compared to in Euroleague.

If freaking washed up has been 36 year old Prigioni, that 2 years ago was not good enough for Real Madrid can start on an NBA playoff team, then yeah, of course Teodosic can play in the NBA.

After all, he's a much better point guard than Rubio.