Lettuce talk about CP3's playoff career?

[Nick Young]

His biggest achievement in the playoffs is losing by 56 points at home to Air Melo.


This guy is the best PG in the league? Really? Even when surrounded by one of the most talented rosters in the NBA he goes out in the first round.

Maybe CP3 ball DOESN'T WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS:eek:

[maybeshewill13]

GAWDbrook is the best PG in the league :rockon:

[chosen_one6]

His biggest achievement in the playoffs is losing by 56 points at home to Air Melo.


This guy is the best PG in the league? Really? Even when surrounded by one of the most talented rosters in the NBA he goes out in the first round.

Maybe CP3 ball DOESN'T WIN IN THE PLAYOFFS:eek:

Tony Parker is better.

3>0

[Nick Young]

I think Tony Parker is. He plays team basketball and isn't as ball dominant and plays better defense. He is a better decision maker and clutcher, which he has proven in his 3 title runs+Finals MVP (which if anyone watched the series WAS DESERVED).

CP3 passes when it leads to assists, but he doesn't play pure PG like Jason Kidd for example. Tony Parker is the best point guard in the league.

[Trentknicks]

I think Tony Parker is. He plays team basketball and isn't as ball dominant and plays better defense. He is a better decision maker and clutcher, which he has proven in his 3 title runs+Finals MVP (which if anyone watched the series WAS DESERVED).

CP3 passes when it leads to assists, but he doesn't play pure PG like Jason Kidd for example. Tony Parker is the best point guard in the league.
Parkers is dismal on defense, why make a thread when it's clear you don't watch either player? Is this what it's come to? Got over attacking Stern for the veto and now your agenda is to go after CP3's game, horrible poster.

[joeyjoejoe]

He's performed well in the playoffs had some bad luck with teammates heroin injured like griffin last cpl years, Chandler was another and when west went down he put up some monster games against the Lakers 33 7 14 4, 27 13 15 2, against Dallas in 08 35 3 10 4, 32 5 17 3, 24 11 15 2 even this year had a 35 6 4 3 game, its common for stats to drop from regular season to playoffs especially fg% cp's get better

[LongLiveTheKing]

GAWDbrook is the best PG in the league :rockon:
:rockon:

[MARLO]

TP9>CP3


But it must be said that Tony Parker has benefited from playing in an ideal basketball scenario, which is a team consisting of great coaching and teammates throughout his entire career.

CP3 has always had mediocre coaching on moderately good teams. It would be nice to see him play in a system where he isn't forced to take over and go iso.

Teams historically don't go far in the playoffs when their #1 scoring option is the PG..

[KOBE143]

Rose in his suit has more impact than Chris "Tornado Spin Flop" Paul even Westbrook with torn meniscus >>> CP3.. :bowdown:

[insidehoops]

Test

[Booz Vivic]

What test is you going in Jeff? Math?

[Hizack]

Chris Paul's playoff profile:

Games played: 40
Games won: 16
Games lost: 24

Series played: 7
Series won: 2
Series lost: 5

Conference Finals appearance: 0
NBA Finals appearance: 0

Series lost when his team has lead series 2-0: 2

[TheCalmInsanity]

Nick Young and all these idiot Laker fans' logic:

"Clippers suck! First round exit at best! Horrible team. Overrated stars. Overrated bench. Blah Blah Blah"

When the Clippers actually do lose in first round:

"Omg!! Clippers were the most stacked team in the league. They were the best team in nba history. Cp3 had the best supporting cast in the nba and they lost hahahahaha".

Does this sound familiar? Just like the garbage they spew about Lebron having "an amazing supporting cast of Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson"

[Nick Young]

Parkers is dismal on defense, why make a thread when it's clear you don't watch either player? Is this what it's come to? Got over attacking Stern for the veto and now your agenda is to go after CP3's game, horrible poster.
Dismal?:facepalm He plays solid fundamental defense, he's not lock down but he stays infront of his man and always makes his rotations.

CP3 is a dismal defender compared to Tony Parker.

WATCH GAMES

[Nick Young]

He's performed well in the playoffs had some bad luck with teammates heroin injured like griffin last cpl years, Chandler was another and when west went down he put up some monster games against the Lakers 33 7 14 4, 27 13 15 2, against Dallas in 08 35 3 10 4, 32 5 17 3, 24 11 15 2 even this year had a 35 6 4 3 game, its common for stats to drop from regular season to playoffs especially fg% cp's get better
who cares your stats in a loss?

Kobe won 2 rings in a row with a center with one leg.

He took his team to the 2008 finals missing his #1 center plus #1 small forward.


CP3 brings personal stats but he doesn't bring wins in the playoffs.

[Nick Young]

Nick Young and all these idiot Laker fans' logic:

"Clippers suck! First round exit at best! Horrible team. Overrated stars. Overrated bench. Blah Blah Blah"

When the Clippers actually do lose in first round:

"Omg!! Clippers were the most stacked team in the league. They were the best team in nba history. Cp3 had the best supporting cast in the nba and they lost hahahahaha".

Does this sound familiar? Just like the garbage they spew about Lebron having "an amazing supporting cast of Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson"
Lebrons cast in 2009, called the deepest in the league by every analyst on TV and favoured to win the finals:

Shaq-4xNBA title winner, MVP, coming off an allstar season
Anthony Parker-Euroleague MVP
Antawn Jamison-ALLSTAR
Mo Williams-ALL STAR
Anderson Varejao-labeled a scrub but basically a better version of Noah, ALLSTAR LEVEL GARBAGEMAN


STACKED CAST AND HE BLEW IT.


What's the excuse for CP3 now? LOOK AT HIS ROSTER! He has a losing record in the playoffs! CP3 ball doesn't win titles.

[TheCalmInsanity]

Lebrons cast in 2009, called the deepest in the league by every analyst on TV and favoured to win the finals:

Shaq-4xNBA title winner, MVP, coming off an allstar season
Anthony Parker-Euroleague MVP
Antawn Jamison-ALLSTAR
Mo Williams-ALL STAR
Anderson Varejao-labeled a scrub but basically a better version of Noah, ALLSTAR LEVEL GARBAGEMAN


STACKED CAST AND HE BLEW IT.


What's the excuse for CP3 now? LOOK AT HIS ROSTER! He has a losing record in the playoffs! CP3 ball doesn't win titles.

You know all star selections are heavily influenced by team record right?

Same dumb argument. Lebron's team back then was garbage.

[Nick Young]

You know all star selections are heavily influenced by team record right?

Same dumb argument. Lebron's team back then was garbage.
not according to every TV analyst and ISH poster at the time. Stop rewriting history with hindsight.

[TheCalmInsanity]

not according to every TV analyst and ISH poster at the time. Stop rewriting history with hindsight.

Stop overrating garbage players to try to bring Lebron down.

[BlazersDozen]

I think part of it is the surrounding cast members and less on CP3. What did he really ever have in NO? He was really the only guy on the Clippers doing anything offensively in these playoffs so he had to take more control of the scoring, but his biggest flaw is for some reason, his defense gets horrendous come playoff time.

[Nick Young]

I think part of it is the surrounding cast members and less on CP3. What did he really ever have in NO? He was really the only guy on the Clippers doing anything offensively in these playoffs so he had to take more control of the scoring, but his biggest flaw is for some reason, his defense gets horrendous come playoff time.
David West and Tyson Chandler, one of the best front courts in the league at the time?:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Stop overrating garbage players to try to bring Lebron down.
Tell that to every analyst on TNT, ESPN and NBA TV circa 08-09 NBA season

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He injured in 09 SMH
he owned in 08 and 11

2013 playoffs
CP3 23/4/6 2 steals 1 turnover 53% shoot
Griffin 13/5/2 2 turnovers 45% shoot
Crawford 10pts 38% shoot
Deandre 4pts 6 rebounds 2 blocks 45% shoot
:facepalm :facepalm

[TheCalmInsanity]

Tell that to every analyst on TNT, ESPN and NBA TV circa 08-09 NBA season

Oh WOWWWWWW the analysts said it, it must be true!

And lol at you even including the ISH posters in the post before this one. Pathetic, dude.

Of course analysts are going to overrate the cast of the team that has 60 wins. It's their job. They create hype. Lebron carried that team.

[I<3NBA]

so the Clippers with Popovich would be a first round exit or what? let's put VDN in San Antonio, see how far Tony Parker goes in the playoffs.

[Nick Young]

He injured in 09 SMH
he owned in 08 and 11

2013 playoffs
CP3 23/4/6 2 steals 1 turnover 53% shoot
Griffin 13/5/2 2 turnovers 45% shoot
Crawford 10pts 38% shoot
Deandre 4pts 6 rebounds 2 blocks 45% shoot
:facepalm :facepalm
Isn't it CP3s job as a point guard to set up easy buckets for his teammates and get them more involved? Why is he putting up 23 ppg and only 6 APG?:confusedshrug:

[TheCalmInsanity]

Isn't it CP3s job as a point guard to set up easy buckets for his teammates and get them more involved? Why is he putting up 23 ppg and only 6 APG?:confusedshrug:

Did you read their shooting percentages? How is CP3 gona get assists when no one can score?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Isn't it CP3s job as a point guard to set up easy buckets for his teammates and get them more involved? Why is he putting up 23 ppg and only 6 APG?:confusedshrug:
Because of memphis defense u watch series SMH marc and zbo shut down griffin and deandre. What CP3 do they have no jumper or skills and suck without him:facepalm

[BlazersDozen]

David West and Tyson Chandler, one of the best front courts in the league at the time?:confusedshrug:

Tyson Chandler has never been a scorer & didn't really become the defensive anchor he is now until he went to Dallas. He was a good defender but he didn't become an elite defensive big until he went to Dallas

Yes David West was a NICE offensive big...not nice enough to carry the offense alone with Paul.

So you expected

Chris Paul/Antonio Daniels
Rasual Butler/Morris Peterson
Peja Stojakovic/Julian Wright
David West/Sean Marks
Tyson Chandler/Hilton Armstrong

To do anything in the West?

Paul's last season w/ Chandler & West in NO he lost to the Nuggets in 5. Nuggets had Melo, Nene, Iverson, Billups, Kenyon Martin & JR Smith.

Just an example...

[Darius]

Laker fans so salty they lost out of best PG in the L

Pathetic... but funny, so carry on, thx. :oldlol:

[The JKidd Kid]

Dismal?:facepalm He plays solid fundamental defense, he's not lock down but he stays infront of his man and always makes his rotations.

CP3 is a dismal defender compared to Tony Parker.

WATCH GAMES

I don't know what games your watching because tony Parker is the definition of a defensive liability. He's short, un athletic and weak and I have never seen him stay in front of a player in one on one situations. CP3 isn't a good defender either, he just gambles a lot. Out of the star PGs the only decent defenders are Rose, Rondo, Williams and Westbrook, everyone else is just straight up garbage on defense.

[Heavincent]

GAWDbrook is the best PG in the league :rockon:

:applause:

[Scholar]

Test

Congrats on 9,400 posts! I knew you could do it, Jeff! I just knew it!

[MeLO MvP 15]

The Nuggets beat the Hornets by 58 IIRC.

And for Chris Paul, I actually think that too many ignorant people just say "he always loses in the playoffs" and take that as "he can't win the playoffs"... it's more than that. He's usually the lower seed so he's always playing the better team in the playoffs. Even this year when he was the higher seed, he played probably the better team. It's the same situation with Melo in the past.

[Young X]

Playoff averages: 21/9.5/5/2 stls on 48%

CP3, more than any other elite player is a victim of playing in the west.

His teams lost to:

56 win Spurs (defending champs)
54 win Nuggets
57 win Lakers (defending champs)
62 win Spurs
56 win Grizzlies

[SCdac]

Playoff averages: 21/9.5/5/2 stls on 48%

CP3, more than any other elite player is a victim of playing in the west.

His teams lost to:

56 win Spurs (defending champs)
54 win Nuggets
57 win Lakers (defending champs)
62 win Spurs
56 win Grizzlies

Still, not one of those teams went on to win the championship. It's a team game, of course, but Paul's teams were not losing to teams that were the best of the best.

Personally, I'd like to see his numbers in elimination games. He's hit big shots and game winners before, but he doesn't strike me as a scorer who thrives under pressure.

I don't know what his numbers are off hand. But just from a few years...

Against SA in 2008:
18 points (.44 FG%), 14 assists, 4 turnovers, 6 fouls

Against DEN in 2009:
12 points (.31 FG%), 10 assists, 3 turnovers

Against LA in 2011:
10 points (.44 FG%), 11 assists, 5 turnovers

[Nick Young]

I don't know what games your watching because tony Parker is the definition of a defensive liability. He's short, un athletic and weak and I have never seen him stay in front of a player in one on one situations. CP3 isn't a good defender either, he just gambles a lot. Out of the star PGs the only decent defenders are Rose, Rondo, Williams and Westbrook, everyone else is just straight up garbage on defense.
Tony Parker=unathletic?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Young X]

Still, not one of those teams went on to win the championship. It's a team game, of course, but Paul's teams were not losing to teams that were the best of the best.

Personally, I'd like to see his numbers in elimination games. He's hit big shots and game winners before, but he doesn't strike me as a scorer who thrives under pressure.

I don't know what his numbers are off hand. But just from a few years...

Against SA in 2008:
18 points (.44 FG%), 14 assists, 4 turnovers, 6 fouls

Against DEN in 2009:
12 points (.31 FG%), 10 assists, 3 turnovers

Against LA in 2011:
10 points (.44 FG%), 11 assists, 5 turnovers
23 pts (9-18), 11 asts, 6 rebs vs Spurs last year

28 pts (11-16), 8 asts, 0 TO's vs. Grizzlies this year

None of those teams went on to win the championship, but there's no shame in losing to teams either as good as your teams or better, especially if your production in the playoffs stays the same from the regular season.

56 wins loses to 56 wins
49 wins loses to 54 wins
46 wins loses to 57 wins (without David West)
50 wins loses to 62 wins
56 wins loses to 56 wins (without Griffin the last 2 games)

Playoff averages: 21/9.5/5/2 stls on 48%

[SCdac]

23 pts (9-18), 11, asts, 6 rebs vs Spurs last year

28 pts (11-16), 8 asts, 0 TO's vs. Grizzlies this year

None of those teams went on to win the championship, but there's no shame in losing to teams either as good as your teams or better, especially if your production in the playoffs stays the same from the regular season.

Versus the Spurs last year, that was his one good game though, and it was too late. He had a really poor series.

Granted, SA was better than LAC, and I agree there's no shame per se, but Paul seems like the kind of player who flames out or leads teams that flame out (he's so ball dominant, for better or worse). That didn't happen in this years playoffs, but I still get that feeling.

His numbers for the series against SA, despite having a strong Game 4 in the sweep (and I believe he was not 100% healthy, but still):

13 PPG (.37 FG%)
9 APG
3 SPG
5 TURNOVERS per game

[SCdac]

56 wins loses to 56 wins
49 wins loses to 54 wins
46 wins loses to 57 wins (without David West)
50 wins loses to 62 wins
56 wins loses to 56 wins (without Griffin the last 2 games)

Playoff averages: 21/9.5/5/2 stls on 48%

So, ultimately, will Paul need an uber-stacked team to go far you think?

Do you think his destiny is mostly dependent on how good the competition is or isn't? (ie. will he have to wait till the west weakens to get his?). One 56-win team losing to another doesn't strike me as a lopsided matchup, but there's more to a team than just the record on paper.

I think most teams he's on are too dependent on him, which is FO problem not a Paul problem, but I also think it's his domineering style of play.

[Young X]

Versus the Spurs last year, that was his one good game though, and it was too late. He had a really poor series.

Granted, SA was better than LAC, and I agree there's no shame per se, but Paul seems like the kind of player who flames out or leads teams that flame out (he's so ball dominant, for better or worse). That didn't happen in this years playoffs, but I still get that feeling.

His numbers for the series against SA, despite having a strong Game 4 in the sweep (and I believe he was not 100% healthy, but still):

13 PPG (.37 FG%)
9 APG
3 SPG
5 TURNOVERS per game
He was injured but I agree he should get criticism for that series and the Nuggets series only. My problem is when people act like he chokes in the playoffs every year when he actually plays great, his teams lose because they're facing better teams that are just as, if not more successfull than his teams.

So, ultimately, will Paul need an uber-stacked team to go far you think?

Do you think his destiny is mostly dependent on how good the competition is or isn't? (ie. will he have to wait till the west weakens to get his?). One 56-win team losing to another doesn't strike me as a lopsided matchup, but there's more to a team than just the record on paper.

I think most teams he's on are too dependent on him, which is FO problem not a Paul problem, but I also think it's his domineering style of play.
When you consider how many great teams play in the west, he might need a stacked team to go far, either that or join a team in the east. How is he supposed to get past great teams like the Spurs/Thunder with his 2nd option averaging 14 pts and 6 rebs?

[Nick Young]

I don't know what games your watching because tony Parker is the definition of a defensive liability. He's short, un athletic and weak and I have never seen him stay in front of a player in one on one situations. CP3 isn't a good defender either, he just gambles a lot. Out of the star PGs the only decent defenders are Rose, Rondo, Williams and Westbrook, everyone else is just straight up garbage on defense.
PG defense doesnt win titles, THATS HOW FISHER WON 5 TITLES:hammerhead:

Also Tony Parker is a solid underrated defender who doesn't take dumb risks and plays fundamental defense. And a much better defender then CP3 whose defense GETS WORSE in the playoffs.



Why are people in this thread rating a loser who always flops out of the playoffs ahead of a winner with 3 rings? Why so many excuses defending CP3 and so much bullshit being said about Tony Parker?


Why doesn't Tony Parkers game get any respect?

Tony Parker has a history of big time clutch moments in the biggest games. CP3 has a history of losing by 58 at home in the playoffs vs the Nuggets and dirty frustration fouls in elimination games.


Are people really trying to say that CP3 clutchness>Tony Parker clutchness? :lol:

[dzav323]

Tyson Chandler has never been a scorer & didn't really become the defensive anchor he is now until he went to Dallas. He was a good defender but he didn't become an elite defensive big until he went to Dallas

Yes David West was a NICE offensive big...not nice enough to carry the offense alone with Paul.

So you expected

Chris Paul/Antonio Daniels
Rasual Butler/Morris Peterson
Peja Stojakovic/Julian Wright
David West/Sean Marks
Tyson Chandler/Hilton Armstrong

To do anything in the West?

Paul's last season w/ Chandler & West in NO he lost to the Nuggets in 5. Nuggets had Melo, Nene, Iverson, Billups, Kenyon Martin & JR Smith.

Just an example...

This. You can credit most of his lack of success in NOLA on Jeff Bower and George Shinn. James Posey:facepalm :facepalm

[Nick Young]

This. You can credit most of his lack of success in NOLA on Jeff Bower and George Shinn. James Posey:facepalm :facepalm
So Tony Parker succeeds, CP3 doesn't.

CP3 has better personal numbers on losing efforts including a 58 point playoff loss at home. Therefore, CP3 is more clutch and better then Tony Parker.


Does anyone see how this brand of logic prevalent in the thread makes no sense at all?

[MetsPackers]

Lebrons cast in 2009, called the deepest in the league by every analyst on TV and favoured to win the finals:

Shaq-4xNBA title winner, MVP, coming off an allstar season
Anthony Parker-Euroleague MVP
Antawn Jamison-ALLSTAR
Mo Williams-ALL STAR
Anderson Varejao-labeled a scrub but basically a better version of Noah, ALLSTAR LEVEL GARBAGEMAN


STACKED CAST AND HE BLEW IT.


What's the excuse for CP3 now? LOOK AT HIS ROSTER! He has a losing record in the playoffs! CP3 ball doesn't win titles.

LMAO this is probably one of the stupidest things i've ever seen. LOL at Shaq "coming off an allstar season". He was voted in you idiot, wouldn't have made it otherwise. Jamison allstar lolololololol. Mo "any guy can do numbers given the ball enough" Williams lolololol . Anthony Parker hahahaha. Varejao wasn't 1/3 of what he is today back then

Although i've never expected anything more than garbage from you so...

[Young X]

So Tony Parker succeeds, CP3 doesn't.

CP3 has better personal numbers on losing efforts including a 58 point playoff loss at home. Therefore, CP3 is more clutch and better then Tony Parker.


Does anyone see how this brand of logic prevalent in the thread makes no sense at all?
He's better than Parker because he PLAYS better than Parker in the regular season and the playoffs, not because of team success. Theres a difference between playing for a great organization like the Spurs and playing for the Hornets and Clippers.

[MetsPackers]

not according to every TV analyst and ISH poster at the time. Stop rewriting history with hindsight.

And please, show me one credibly person calling Lebrons 09 cast "the deepest in the league". I'd really like to see it. Not Skip Bayless either. And for a proponent of the "Only legends' opinions matter, ISH posters are nobodys" argument, you sure seem to feel the opposite when it fits your agenda.

But yeah, let's see the quotes. I'll take some ISH ones too, provided their not written by Lakers fans. I normally don't give a fvck about lebron but this was so stupid i'm gona need to see the evidence. Deepest team my ass.

[Bandito]

Parkers is dismal on defense, why make a thread when it's clear you don't watch either player? Is this what it's come to? Got over attacking Stern for the veto and now your agenda is to go after CP3's game, horrible poster.
Are you serious? Parker is great on defense, he might not have Shumpert like defense but his defense is better than Paul by a lot.:bowdown:

[Fiasco]

I've stopped believing Nick Young is a troll and started considering the idea of him really being this retarded.

[Nick Young]

LMAO this is probably one of the stupidest things i've ever seen. LOL at Shaq "coming off an allstar season". He was voted in you idiot, wouldn't have made it otherwise. Jamison allstar lolololololol. Mo "any guy can do numbers given the ball enough" Williams lolololol . Anthony Parker hahahaha. Varejao wasn't 1/3 of what he is today back then

Although i've never expected anything more than garbage from you so...
Did Shaq not win co-allstar game MVP that year?
Idiot:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[Nick Young]

LMAO this is probably one of the stupidest things i've ever seen. LOL at Shaq "coming off an allstar season". He was voted in you idiot, wouldn't have made it otherwise. Jamison allstar lolololololol. Mo "any guy can do numbers given the ball enough" Williams lolololol . Anthony Parker hahahaha. Varejao wasn't 1/3 of what he is today back then

Although i've never expected anything more than garbage from you so...
VAREJAO WAS THE EXACT SAME PLAYER BACK THEN! He is just featured more on the offense now! It's not like he suddenly became really good, he was always that good, anyone who actually watched him play knew he was good! He's the exact same player now, only he gets hurt more and touches the ball more.

[Nick Young]

He's better than Parker because he PLAYS better than Parker in the regular season and the playoffs, not because of team success. Theres a difference between playing for a great organization like the Spurs and playing for the Hornets and Clippers.
How does he play better then Parker in the playoffs? Chris has a losing playoff record, Parker has tons of clutch playoff performances, and a Finals MVP award:facepalm

[Young X]

How does he play better then Parker in the playoffs? Chris has a losing playoff record, Parker has tons of clutch playoff performances, and a Finals MVP award:facepalm
Stop looking at team success only. One player plays with Tim Duncan and is coached by Greg Poppovich,while the other plays with Blake Griffin and is coached by Vinny Del Negro.

CP3 does everything better than Parker in the playoffs (scoring, passing, rebounding, defense). Comparing their team success is meaningless considering that Parker wasn't even the best player on his team for most of his career, while Paul was.

[Nick Young]

Stop looking at team success only. One player plays with Tim Duncan and is coached by Greg Poppovich the other plays with Blake Griffin and is coached by Vinny Del Negro.

CP3 does everything better than Parker in the playoffs (scoring, passing, rebounding, defense). Comparing their team success is useless because Parker wasn't even the best player on his team for most of his career, while Paul was.
COmpared to parker, CP3 has
worse defense
worse scorer
less clutchness


rebounding? PGs arent supposed to rebound, bigs are supposed to rebound and PGs are supposed to be running down the court looking for an outlet pass.
CP3 is a better passer but that's it
Losing big is the one thing CP3 is better then Parker at.




Parker gets into the lane AT WILL against ANYONE. Teams have to adjust their defenses JUST TO LIMIT TONY PARKER-once they do this he picks them apart with his decision making and hits open teammates on the perimeter.

Now that Tony has a solid midrange jumper the past 3 seasons he is virtually unguardable. That used to be his only weaknesses. Now he has NO WEAKNESSES.


No one adjusts their defense to stop CP3, they just keep doing their thing because CP3 ball doesn't win in the playoffs.

[STATUTORY]

chris paul let his team lose by 60 in the playoffs, the fact this guy is anywhere near top 5 player in the league according to fans and experts is a joke.

[Nick Young]

chris paul let his team lose by 60 in the playoffs, the fact this guy is anywhere near top 5 player in the league according to fans and experts is a joke.
EXACTLY:rockon:

Just like when people used to call D12 a top 5 player in the league:roll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3isS0H_Em4
CP3 the "scoring PG" with 4 points when his team needed him most. 4 points at home. Against THE NO DEFENSe NUGGETS

[Young X]

COmpared to parker, CP3 has
worse defense
worse scorer
less clutchness


rebounding? PGs arent supposed to rebound, bigs are supposed to rebound and PGs are supposed to be running down the court looking for an outlet pass.

Losing big is the only thing CP3 is better then Parker at.


CP3 is a better passer but that's it
Why would CP3 have worse scoring when he scores alot more while being more efficient?

What does Parker do better than CP3 defensively?

Why does Paul's production from the regular season to the playoffs stay the same, while Parkers gets worse?

[Nick Young]

Why would CP3 have worse scoring when he scores alot more while being more efficient?

What does Parker do better than CP3 defensively?

Why does Paul's production from the regular season to the playoffs stay the same, while Parkers gets worse?
4 points when his team needs him most vs Denver, losing by 58 at home in the playoffs.

Explain.

[Young X]

4 points when his team needs him most vs Denver, losing by 58 at home in the playoffs.

Explain.
I can't explain it, it was a terrible game, I criticize him for that game myself. That's still only one game tho. Why are you acting like you didn't want him on the Lakers tho?

[Nick Young]

I can't explain it, it was a terrible game, I criticize him for that game myself. That's still only one game tho. Why are you acting like you didn't want him on the Lakers tho?
I did want him on the lakers. But fact remains Parker is better then CP3, yes I'd rather have Parker.

And the other fact remains that CP3s playoff record IS HORRIBLE

[TheBigVeto]

Nash is best PG but he's got such crappy teammates, his team barely made it to the playoffs and then got swept.

[joeyjoejoe]

Know your trollin but I'll bite, cp's been a beast in the playoffs obviously not yad the team success of parker but let me tell u cp>parker, pauls better at everything and yep defense too way more clutch and if he went to Lakers instead of destroying them everytime they play you'd have a fat for him

[TheCalmInsanity]

And please, show me one credibly person calling Lebrons 09 cast "the deepest in the league". I'd really like to see it. Not Skip Bayless either. And for a proponent of the "Only legends' opinions matter, ISH posters are nobodys" argument, you sure seem to feel the opposite when it fits your agenda.

But yeah, let's see the quotes. I'll take some ISH ones too, provided their not written by Lakers fans. I normally don't give a fvck about lebron but this was so stupid i'm gona need to see the evidence. Deepest team my ass.

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I agree, I'm not a Cavs/Heat/Lebron fan at all. But what he said was so stupid that I had to keep going and argue the point.

Also, Nick Young, why do you keep mentioning the 58 point game? That was 1 game. Big deal. So what happens when people talk about how the Lakers lost by 36 FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP against the Celtics? Great way to go out huh? Or when your homosexual fantasy Kobe Bryant went 6-27 and got carried by Pau? You have fun nitpicking on other people's teams and players but can't even realize the players you like have had bad games in the playoffs too.

Lol at this fool comparing Chris Paul (who is the #1 option on his team) to a guy like Tony Parker who, although he is a great player, is not even close to the first option. He also had some of the best bigs in NBA history in Duncan and Robinson, great role players every year, and a great Spurs system. There's a reason why Poppovich can rest his starters and still keep his team competitive. He's an amazing coach and deserves more credit. Stop acting like Parker was the one that did everything.

[joeyjoejoe]

That's not a bad idea let's talk about kobe and parkers worst playoff performances, cp and LBJ must must suck to constantly be called top 3 players damn it must eat u inside nick young that lebrons destined to likely finish closer to mj in the alltime list then kobe and he's just hitting his prime n has 4mvps while kobe has one that most say Chris Paul deserved while u don't hear much talk about LeBron not deserving any of his, mm how about let's look at kobes so called clutch stats oh that's right they suck while cp a 6 foot not particularly athletic pg does better in those situations

[Bigsmoke]

Chris Paul was the only player that came to play for the Clippers.

[joeyjoejoe]

I had a look at parkers playoff games up to and including 06 here's some of his no shows
03 vs suns 2 0 2 on 1/7
7 3 7 2/13
7 1 2 3/9 4turnovers
Vs Dallas 0 1 1 0/5
Vs nets finals 4 2 2 2/6
3 4 2 1/12
04 vs Lakers 8 2 5 4/12 4turnovers
9 1 3 4/18 6 turnovers elim game
05 vs Denver 10 3 3 3/12 4 turnovers
Vs suns 13 3 5 5/17 6 turnovers
8 2 3 3/11 elim game
06 vs Dallas 8 4 3 3/15

[ILLsmak]

Test

haha, if Nick Young gets murdered/banned... remember this post.

-Smak

[The JKidd Kid]

PG defense doesnt win titles, THATS HOW FISHER WON 5 TITLES:hammerhead:

Also Tony Parker is a solid underrated defender who doesn't take dumb risks and plays fundamental defense. And a much better defender then CP3 whose defense GETS WORSE in the playoffs.



Why are people in this thread rating a loser who always flops out of the playoffs ahead of a winner with 3 rings? Why so many excuses defending CP3 and so much bullshit being said about Tony Parker?


Why doesn't Tony Parkers game get any respect?

Tony Parker has a history of big time clutch moments in the biggest games. CP3 has a history of losing by 58 at home in the playoffs vs the Nuggets and dirty frustration fouls in elimination games.


Are people really trying to say that CP3 clutchness>Tony Parker clutchness? :lol:

I never discredited his offensive game or clutchness and im not trying to say that Paul is a better defender. I am saying that Parker is a HORRIBLE defender. And yes he is very unathletic and has no lift when he contests shots, not to mention that hes short and weak.

[Kiddlovesnets]

lol at this thread, lettuce talk about Kevin Garnett's playoffs career before Boston's big three era?