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BlackWhiteGreen
05-13-2013, 02:06 PM
NBA All-Defensive First Team (in order of voting pts): Tony Allen, LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Tyson Chandler/Joakim Noah (tie)

https://twitter.com/JCameratoNBA/status/334006092961021952

NBA All-Defensive Second Team (in order of voting pts): Paul George, Avery Bradley, Tim Duncan, Mike Conley, Marc Gasol

https://twitter.com/JCameratoNBA/status/334006290567266304

So Chandler, Noah AND Duncan got more votes than the DPOY Marc Gasol? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Also: so weak that they gave Chandler and Noah a tie for 1st team. Find some other way of sorting it out.

D-Rose
05-13-2013, 02:07 PM
Just a reminder that the media votes for DPOY, coaches vote for this.

NumberSix
05-13-2013, 02:07 PM
Mamba?

imnew09
05-13-2013, 02:08 PM
Ibaka? LOL...

SwayDizzle
05-13-2013, 02:08 PM
Mamba?
:lol :lol :lol

KyleKong
05-13-2013, 02:08 PM
Second time in a row the DPOY is on the All-Defense second team. :facepalm

:lol

BlackWhiteGreen
05-13-2013, 02:09 PM
Just a reminder that the media votes for DPOY, coaches vote for this.

Still... 3 centres with more votes?

ClutchOver9000
05-13-2013, 02:09 PM
NBA All-Defensive First Team (in order of voting pts): Tony Allen, LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Chris Paul, Tyson Chandler/Joakim Noah (tie)

NBA All-Defensive Second Team (in order of voting pts): Paul George, Avery Bradley, Tim Duncan, Mike Conley, Marc Gasol

So Chandler, Noah AND Duncan got more votes than the DPOY Marc Gasol? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

imnew09
05-13-2013, 02:09 PM
No Dwight? 3x times DPOY... :bowdown: :bowdown:

K Xerxes
05-13-2013, 02:09 PM
Tyson Chandler? Is that a joke?

I honestly thought they could have given the center position of both teams to two of Duncan, Noah and Gasol (and I wouldn't have minded), but ****ing Tyson Chandler? Jesus Christ.

Conley should have made the first over Chris Paul too, and, honestly, Butler or Iguodala deserved an all defensive guard position over Chris Paul.

Ibaka shouldn't be first either. Another joke. Again, voters just looking at blocks.

I don't even know why I'm complaining about the stupid voting. They never do pick the right guys anyway. Hey, at least they didn't pick ****ing Kobe again.

BlackWhiteGreen
05-13-2013, 02:10 PM
Mamba?

Apparently he got a first team vote. :facepalm

ClutchOver9000
05-13-2013, 02:11 PM
Hey, at least they didn't pick ****ing Kobe again.

:lol I cant lie, I was hoping he'd be on it again...

daj0264
05-13-2013, 02:11 PM
tf is durant?

daj0264
05-13-2013, 02:11 PM
lebron first team LOL

TylerOO
05-13-2013, 02:12 PM
I agree. LeBron should have won DPOY though

tazb
05-13-2013, 02:13 PM
Lmao wow, this is very surprising. I was expecting Kobe to be on the 1st team undeservingly again.

Trollsmasher
05-13-2013, 02:16 PM
No Kobe? Those lists lack any kind of credibility:lol

DuMa
05-13-2013, 02:17 PM
wow Ibaka on the first team over Duncan or Gasol.

wow Kobe isnt on it. (IDIOTS finally got it right)

and I wouldnt put CP3 on the first team. He hasnt stood out this year. In Fact, I'd put Bledsoe on it before CP3.

(e)
05-13-2013, 02:18 PM
I agree. LeBron should have won DPOY though
Someone that gives up on plays doesn't deserve to be DPOY. It should of gone to Tony Allen. Not saying Lebron doesn't deserve to make one of the teams, but he's not the best defensive player in the league.

Love that Noah made 1st team. Best and most versatile defensive big in the league. :applause:

Unbiased_one
05-13-2013, 02:19 PM
No Dwight? 3x times DPOY... :bowdown: :bowdown:

missed the second team by 3 votes in a deep centre year.

I find it interesting that had they broken the noah/chandler tie, the DPOY would not have made either team.

Rysio
05-13-2013, 02:19 PM
kobe shut down every single star pg that he faced. deserves at least 2nd all d. rigged voting :facepalm

bdreason
05-13-2013, 02:20 PM
2nd team > 1st team

Unbiased_one
05-13-2013, 02:20 PM
kobe shut down every single star pg that he faced. deserves at least 2nd all d. rigged voting :facepalm

:lol:

I suppose you think he deserves it beacuse he blocked lebron in the all star game?

daj0264
05-13-2013, 02:21 PM
kobe shut down every single star pg that he faced. deserves at least 2nd all d. rigged voting :facepalm



stfu

K Xerxes
05-13-2013, 02:22 PM
2nd team > 1st team

This is actually true defensively.

branslowski
05-13-2013, 02:23 PM
Kobe doesn't deserve to be on ne defensive team, this year he legit sucked on D for large stretches...His past years, he deserved them though. Don't let ne Kobe hating moron tell you otherwise, and the Coaches of the NBA votes for these teams, not media, yes coaches, who study tape and has players who actually has to play against these guys...Neway, list is on point aside from the Marc Gasol situation going on there.

Rysio
05-13-2013, 02:25 PM
:lol:

I suppose you think he deserves it beacuse he blocked lebron in the all star game?

other than playoff clinching games and playoffs the all star game is the most important game of the season so kinda yes.

daj0264
05-13-2013, 02:25 PM
How does Lebron who without refs help would foul out in the first quarter get all defensive first team????? RIGGED!!!

Snoop_Cat
05-13-2013, 02:26 PM
Ibaka, Chandler, and Paul on the 1st team .... what a joke.

Zodiac
05-13-2013, 02:26 PM
"Josh Smith is a defensive gamechanger"

Never makes all d teams and has never won DPoY

Unbiased_one
05-13-2013, 02:27 PM
other than playoff clinching games and playoffs the all star game is the most important game of the season so kinda yes.

:roll:

Umm what? The ASG has no relevance at all, less than even the most insignificant regular season game. It's just players dunking on each other and shotjacking for 40 minutes and then a bit of competitivity at the end.

Unbiased_one
05-13-2013, 02:28 PM
How does Lebron who without refs help would foul out in the first quarter get all defensive first team????? RIGGED!!!

the coaches vote...surely if anything they would vote against players who beat their team ::confusedshrug:

pauk
05-13-2013, 02:29 PM
lebron first team LOL

You are just about 5 first all-defensive teams and 2 runner-up for DPOY late with that comment...


Damn these April 2013 kids...

ncrizzle
05-13-2013, 02:29 PM
1st and 2nd teams could basically be interchanged with the exceptions of Lebron and TA

Trollsmasher
05-13-2013, 02:30 PM
So they had Larry Sanders listed as forward?:facepalm

Mr. I'm So Rad
05-13-2013, 02:30 PM
Pretty sad Hibbert isn't on either team. He should have beaten out Chandler.

Odinn
05-13-2013, 02:30 PM
Ibaka & Chandler over Duncan for 2012-13 regular season? WTF?

fpliii
05-13-2013, 02:32 PM
Ibaka & Chandler over Duncan for 2012-13 regular season? WTF?

Duncan was my DPOY pick. Damned shame.

InspiredLebowski
05-13-2013, 02:33 PM
Pretty sad Hibbert isn't on either team. He should have beaten out Chandler.Meh. Chandler's rep preceeded him but I'm fine with just looking at it as Noah and Gasol beat him with Duncan edging him out. I can't make any case for him over Noah or Gasol and him and Duncan are a coin flip, so whatever. Paul George made it (over Kobe) so I'm good.

Clutch
05-13-2013, 02:36 PM
Tyson 1st all-defensive team ?

http://i.imgur.com/9FUEF.gif

IncarceratedBob
05-13-2013, 02:37 PM
Paul George is an absolutely adorable pick for 2nd team.

Can this guy stop anybody? Leonard would have been a more inspired choice.

Trollsmasher
05-13-2013, 02:40 PM
Some of those man:facepalm

Mike James, Jrue Holiday, MWP, Battier and Bledsoe all got a vote:lol

I assume someone mistaked Mike James for LeBron.

BlackVVaves
05-13-2013, 02:45 PM
Ibaka??? Ibaka?????

:roll:

Clutch
05-13-2013, 02:45 PM
Some of those man:facepalm

Mike James, Jrue Holiday, MWP, Battier and Bledsoe all got a vote:lol

I assume someone mistaked Mike James for LeBron.
After that Crawford debacle anything is possible :oldlol:

D-Rose
05-13-2013, 02:46 PM
Apparently they vote from a drop down menu, so that should explain Mike James :roll:

Fudge
05-13-2013, 02:47 PM
Ibaka??? Ibaka?????

:roll:
What I was thinking, and I'm an OKC fan. He should've been on the 2nd team.

They should've found a way to put Gasol in on the 1st. Slide Noah or TC as a forward.

Unbiased_one
05-13-2013, 02:49 PM
What I was thinking, and I'm an OKC fan. He should've been on the 3rd team.

They should've found a way to put Gasol in on the 1st. Slide Noah or TC as a forward.

they would've had to move both...and even then duncan was next in line

K Xerxes
05-13-2013, 02:49 PM
Some of those man:facepalm

Mike James, Jrue Holiday, MWP, Battier and Bledsoe all got a vote:lol

I assume someone mistaked Mike James for LeBron.

Rofl, that's hilarious. Isn't Mike James like 85 years old now? Don't think he can even defend a sumo wrestler on a basketball court. What a disgrace some of these voters are.

Human Error
05-13-2013, 02:51 PM
You Knicks fans are hilarious, Chandler is the only reason why the Knicks are above average defensively. The team is filled with jump shooters who are below average defenders with Chandler being the only threat on the defensive end. I understand that you want to give all the credit solely to Melo so you can justify his MVP case but that is so idiotic.

boozehound
05-13-2013, 02:56 PM
why the **** is paul on here?

leMVP
05-13-2013, 02:56 PM
Ibaka????? wtf

and Tyson hasn't been the same this year defensively, also anyone noticed he's being killed down low by Hibbert???

it's either the coaches are stupid or they're just trolling the media.

1987_Lakers
05-13-2013, 02:58 PM
Chandler & Ibaka on the 1st team? What a ****ing joke.

Rekindled
05-13-2013, 02:58 PM
wtf, Pacers have the no.1 defense in the league thanks to hibbert, and he isnt on there?

chandler and ibaka over hibbert is a joke.

Mr. I'm So Rad
05-13-2013, 03:00 PM
It is funny though people act like Kobe is the only player who gets rewarded based on reputation. Lots of other stars do.

KG215
05-13-2013, 03:01 PM
First off, Ibaka is a forward, so him being on the first team over any of the centers (which is what people are bitching about) isn't the problem. There's absolutely no excuse for him to be on the 1st team over Duncan (who I'm assuming was voted in as a forward since Gasol is the center on the second team) or Paul George.

Trollsmasher
05-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Funny thing is that Kobe still got one 1st team vote:roll:

KG215
05-13-2013, 03:01 PM
It is funny though people act like Kobe is the only player who gets rewarded based on reputation. Lots of other stars do.
Lots? Ibaka and Chandler equals "lots"?

niko
05-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Chandler didn't deserve first team this year. He didn't play at that level defensively.

K Xerxes
05-13-2013, 03:01 PM
It is funny though people act like Kobe is the only player who gets rewarded based on reputation. Lots of other stars do.

It's just that kobe has a reputation of getting on the teams because of his reputation, if you know what I mean.

IMO, LeBron shouldn't even be on the first team. He has coasted too much this season defensively. I'd swap him with Paul George.

KG215
05-13-2013, 03:04 PM
First team should be...

Tony Allen
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

DaSeba5
05-13-2013, 03:05 PM
First team should be...

Tony Allen
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

I agree. I really like your list.

Crafty
05-13-2013, 03:07 PM
Serge Ibaka ... :oldlol:

niko
05-13-2013, 03:07 PM
Avery Bradley is hugely overrated. Guy can't play without fouling. And Felton almost made him cry last series, and Felton isn't exactly Tony Parker.

DaSeba5
05-13-2013, 03:08 PM
Avery Bradley is hugely overrated. Guy can't play without fouling. And Felton almost made him cry last series, and Felton isn't exactly Tony Parker.

Who should be there instead of Bradley?

K Xerxes
05-13-2013, 03:08 PM
First team should be...

Tony Allen
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

Good list. Personally, I'd go for:

1st: Conley, Allen, George, Duncan, Gasol

2nd: Bradley, Iguodala, James, Sanders, Noah

I was toying with the idea of slipping Butler in at SG and moving Iggy and James to SF and PF respectively, but I didn't want to seem too fanboyish.

VishaltotheG
05-13-2013, 03:10 PM
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!? HOW THE HECK CAN A GUY WHO WON DPOY NOT MAKE THE FIRST GODDAMN TEAM??!?!?:mad: :mad:

KG215
05-13-2013, 03:11 PM
Good list. Personally, I'd go for:

1st: Conley, Allen, George, Duncan, Gasol

2nd: Bradley, Iguodala, James, Sanders, Noah

I was toying with the idea of slipping Butler in at SG and moving Iggy and James to SF and PF respectively, but I didn't want to seem too fanboyish.
I don't have a problem with Conley on the first team instead of Bradley. Mainly because Bradley missed the first 30-something games of the season because of his injury.

Mr. I'm So Rad
05-13-2013, 03:12 PM
Lots? Ibaka and Chandler equals "lots"?

CP3 and LeBron as well.

But it's been happening with other people in the past and will continue to happen in the future. People act like Kobe is the only superstar to ever benefit from being a superstar.

InspiredLebowski
05-13-2013, 03:13 PM
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!? HOW THE HECK CAN A GUY WHO WON DPOY NOT MAKE THE FIRST GODDAMN TEAM??!?!?:mad: :mad:coaches vote for the All D teams, media votes for DPOY. surprisingly the media was a lot closer to right this time.

K Xerxes
05-13-2013, 03:14 PM
I don't have a problem with Conley on the first team instead of Bradley. Mainly because Bradley missed the first 30-something games of the season because of his injury.

That's why I left him out. If he played the full 82 game season, I probably would have preferred him to Conley. He's a terrific terrific on-ball defender.

KG215
05-13-2013, 03:16 PM
CP3 and LeBron as well.

But it's been happening with other people in the past and will continue to happen in the future. People act like Kobe is the only superstar to ever benefit from being a superstar.
LeBron, at the very least, is deserving of making 2nd team. More deserving than Kobe has been any of the last 3-5 years where he made f***king 1st team.

Chris Paul I'll give you.

SHAQisGOAT
05-13-2013, 03:19 PM
Chandler and Ibaka :lol

Also Paul George should be on the 1st team, not Lebron.


Major hype

Young X
05-13-2013, 03:19 PM
CP3 da gawd with yet another all-defensive 1st team selection. :applause:

Mr. I'm So Rad
05-13-2013, 03:19 PM
LeBron, at the very least, is deserving of making 2nd team. More deserving than Kobe has been any of the last 3-5 years where he made f***king 1st team.

Chris Paul I'll give you.

It's not even about which team they make. My point is that every big name player, or even a player who is known around the league with a certain rep will get some things to go his way whether it be an All Defensive team or a charge/block call. Kobe is certainly no exception, but he isn't the only one.

1987_Lakers
05-13-2013, 03:27 PM
First team should be...

Tony Allen
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

More like...

1st team
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
LeBron James
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

2nd Team
Mike Conley
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Larry Sanders
Joakin Noah

Can't believe Iguodala failed to make the defensive team. Say what you want about LeBron, but no small forward has the defensive impact that he has. He won't lock you down, but he is all over the court.

All Net
05-13-2013, 03:29 PM
Second time in a row the DPOY is on the All-Defense second team. :facepalm

:lol

just stupid...

KG215
05-13-2013, 03:31 PM
More like...

1st team
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
LeBron James
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

2nd Team
Mike Conley
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Larry Sanders
Joakin Noah

Can't believe Iguodala failed to make the defensive team. Say what you want about LeBron, but no small forward has the defensive impact that he has. He won't lock you down, but he is all over the court.
Iguodala was a complete oversight on my part. Due to Bradley missing 30+ games, I'd probably put Iggy on my 1st team and make Conley and Bradley my 2nd team guards. Can't believe Iggy didn't even make the second team.

inclinerator
05-13-2013, 03:39 PM
butler should be in there but i dont think he played enuff

DonDadda59
05-13-2013, 03:41 PM
Ibaka and Chandler (whose defense was spotty all year after a great DPOY season) getting more votes than Duncan and Gasol is a joke :facepalm

CP3 is very questionable as well.

Solefade
05-13-2013, 03:44 PM
More like...

1st team
Andre Iguodala
Tony Allen
LeBron James
Tim Duncan
Marc Gasol

2nd Team
Mike Conley
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Larry Sanders
Joakin Noah

Can't believe Iguodala failed to make the defensive team. Say what you want about LeBron, but no small forward has the defensive impact that he has. He won't lock you down, but he is all over the court.


This is a good list. I think Butler could have potentially replaced Bradley and Chandler being 1st team is a joke, he's been injured for a lot of the season.

People who don't think LeBron should have made 1st team are just hating. Dude has coasted a few times this season but he guarded every position during the regular season. Not saying he's DPOY but underrating what he does for his team defensively is a mistake.

ProfessorMurder
05-13-2013, 04:01 PM
Chris Paul... :oldlol:

MetsPackers
05-13-2013, 04:16 PM
James is a better and more versitile defender than Paul George, who takes nights off from playing his best defense as well. But this is common with guys who carry a big scoring load, you could say the same about Paul, Kobe, etc, but it shouldn't take away from the great defense they played. Guys like Bradley and Allen who are defensive specialists can focus on strictly D, while the other guys have to worry about scoring and running an offense. You say Lebron, Paul, Kobe, take defensive plays off, well Allen, Chandler, Bradley take offensive plays off. George is on his way to being 1st team, but Lebron deserved it this year.

FKAri
05-13-2013, 04:23 PM
CP3, Chandler and Ibaka on the 1st team? Wow.

WayOfWade
05-13-2013, 04:51 PM
Wait, you mean to tell me that Kobe finally wasn't gifted another undeserved All-Defensive team?! Wow, I wonder what's next, maybe him not getting All-NBA First Team?

It's A VC3!!!
05-13-2013, 04:51 PM
Brook Lopez isn't some defense specialist but he gets no love. Not even one vote for second team?:confusedshrug:

Uncle Drew
05-13-2013, 04:57 PM
Ibaka.... :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

hangintheair
05-13-2013, 05:15 PM
Good list. Personally, I'd go for:

1st: Conley, Allen, George, Duncan, Gasol

2nd: Bradley, Iguodala, James, Sanders, Noah

I was toying with the idea of slipping Butler in at SG and moving Iggy and James to SF and PF respectively, but I didn't want to seem too fanboyish.

this

Only Tony Allen deserved the 1st team that the coaches voted.

treadster
05-13-2013, 06:01 PM
how in the world serge ibaka get all-defensive first team?

seanclayton
05-13-2013, 06:20 PM
Surprised Kobe didn't rape his way to First Team again.

The Choken One
05-13-2013, 06:23 PM
lol'd hard at Ibaka & LeBron on 1st team. Even bigger joke than Kobe.

TheReal Kendall
05-13-2013, 06:23 PM
What's the purpose of the all defensive teams? Are they given an award? I know it might be dumb to ask but I just don't put too much stock in the all defensive team crap

YouAintGrizz
05-13-2013, 06:55 PM
3 Grizzlies making the list :bowdown:

bigkingsfan
05-13-2013, 07:14 PM
How do you win DPOY and not get on the first team..

dh144498
05-13-2013, 07:45 PM
lebron first team LOL

this. LOL.

lpublic_enemyl
05-13-2013, 08:23 PM
How does Lebron who without refs help would foul out in the first quarter get all defensive first team????? RIGGED!!!
ask drose he know why lebron belongs on the list

jcsrplumply
05-13-2013, 09:01 PM
lebron first team LOL
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Graviton
05-13-2013, 09:07 PM
Chris Paul 1st Team again? How many elite PGs owned his ass post all-star break and in the playoffs? :oldlol:

Ibaka and Chandler 1st team? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No Jimmy Butler anywheree? :applause:

Lebron 1st Team isn't even the biggest joke, it's more like Ibaka>Paul>Chandler>then Lebron.

Ancient Legend
05-13-2013, 09:11 PM
How do you win DPOY and not get on the first team..

One time, Shawn Marion was second in the DPOY voting, but didn't make any of the all-defensive teams...

rmt
05-14-2013, 01:14 AM
Duncan adds to the all-time all-defensive record total at 14 (out of 16 years).

Peter Pang
05-14-2013, 01:45 AM
Chris Paul 1st Team again? How many elite PGs owned his ass post all-star break and in the playoffs? :oldlol:

Lebron 1st Team isn't even the biggest joke, it's more like Ibaka>Paul>Chandler>then Lebron.

The biggest joke should be:

Mike ****ING James get one first-team vote

Trollsmasher
05-14-2013, 02:05 AM
Chris Paul 1st Team again? How many elite PGs owned his ass post all-star break and in the playoffs? :oldlol:

Ibaka and Chandler 1st team? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No Jimmy Butler anywheree? :applause:

Lebron 1st Team isn't even the biggest joke, it's more like Ibaka>Paul>Chandler>then Lebron.
Jimmy freakin Butler for playing 25 minutes per game?:biggums:

willds09
05-14-2013, 02:07 AM
chandler dont deserve to be first team. How tha hell this niguh let overrated hibbert punk him like that????? in tha semis in tha playoffs????? Im beyond truly disgusted.:facepalm

Rose'sACL
05-14-2013, 02:11 AM
Lebron's defense on al jefferson in 4th quarter of jazz game was good enough to get him to first team.I think a lot of coaches showed that defense by lebron to their players to tech how to play defense against a player 2 inches taller than you. Lebron has done this to dwight and pau too.
His ability to play defense without reaching in is a great asset in today's league.
Lebron's varsatility on defense won him that first team selection even though he doesn't play defense that hard in first 3 quarters during regular season games.

andremiller07
05-14-2013, 05:38 AM
So let me get this right Ibaka who can't defend any decent bigman one on one to save his life and requires double and triple teams to have any impact made the first team?

Is this serious? He's had no defensive impact when it matters most and hes getting eaten alive by Gasol and Z-Bo on a regular basis. Wtf are people watching?

Graviton
05-14-2013, 06:05 AM
So let me get this right Ibaka who can't defend any decent bigman one on one to save his life and requires double and triple teams to have any impact made the first team?

Is this serious? He's had no defensive impact when it matters most and hes getting eaten alive by Gasol and Z-Bo on a regular basis. Wtf are people watching?
I think at the end of the day these coaches are just as easily manipulated as average fans, media hype and opinion has as much effect on them as any other person. I mean most of them weren't even players, how much do they really know about actual basketball. They are like motivators/adult babysitters basically.

After watching how many HORRIBLE coaches have jobs with contending teams, I honestly don't value their opinion that much.

andremiller07
05-14-2013, 08:17 AM
I think at the end of the day these coaches are just as easily manipulated as average fans, media hype and opinion has as much effect on them as any other person. I mean most of them weren't even players, how much do they really know about actual basketball. They are like motivators/adult babysitters basically.

After watching how many HORRIBLE coaches have jobs with contending teams, I honestly don't value their opinion that much.

I was pissed with fans voting in the All Stars but damn they did a better job than the coaches did picking the All 1st defensive team.

wally_world
05-14-2013, 09:59 AM
No Hibbert but Ibaka is on the 1st team :applause:

chosen_wun
05-14-2013, 10:02 AM
Do coaches and the media not understand that being a great shot blocker is a lot different than being a great defender ? Or is the message that being a great shot blocker/help defender is all you need to be to make 1st team ?