Rate KD's quit

[Trollsmasher]

I am giving it 9 out of 10.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

I think he pretty disappointed in himself but looks like they have a 1% chance of winning still

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

GOAT quit IMO. Makes Lebrons looks pale in comparison

[Fudge]

Still not as bad as Brons against Boston. :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

GOAT quit IMO. Makes Lebrons looks pale in comparison
I most definitely agree

[Bandito]

GOAT quit IMO. Makes Lebrons looks pale in comparison
Not even as close to lebron's in Boston in 2010.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

Still not as bad as Brons against Boston. :oldlol:

didnt lebron drop 27/20/10 the next game? :lol

[Bandito]

didnt lebron drop 27/20/10 the next game? :lol
Yes he did when he was in a Heat uni he did.:roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

not a quit neither was lebron's. Both ran into better teams.

[DFish24]

1. 2011 Lebron
2. 2010 Lebron
3. 2013 Durant

[Fudge]

didnt lebron drop 27/20/10 the next game? :lol
:biggums:

[Trollsmasher]

After that brick, I am raising it to 10/10:lol

[Raymone]

No Westbrook to carry him.

[Ancient Legend]

He didn't quit. He was tired and Tony Allen was on him like a shadow on every damn possession.

[Bandito]

Lebrontard trying hate on everybody to prop their crush in the eyes of nobody cares.

[Beatlezz]

9/Lebron.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

After that brick, I am raising it to 10/10:lol

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Durant GOAT quit

[iDunkOnFatKids]

Lebron against Boston is the GOAT quit. Cleveland even decide to call that day "quitness day". Can't top that.

[Noob Saibot]

it wasn't that serious. more like a 4.

[TheBigVeto]

1. 2011 Lebron
2. 2010 Lebron
3. 2013 Durant

C'mon son, Kobe's quitting against the Suns is the mother of all quitting. #1 baby!

[Jacks3]

LeBron's Game 5 vs Boston in 2010 will never be touched. Definitely the GOAT quit game.

[FLDFSU]

not a quit neither was lebron's. Both ran into better teams.

:applause:

[O_City_Thunder]

He didn't quit dumbass :facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

KD was 24-67 (36%) and 18-27 (67%) on FTs with 14 turnovers in the last 3 games.

What else is it than quit?

[deja vu]

LeBron's quit in 2010 and 2011 was 10x worse... :roll:

[jlip]

didnt lebron drop 27/20/10 the next game? :lol

It was 27/19/10. (8-21fgs)


Yes he did when he was in a Heat uni he did.:roll:

No. Lebron was still a Cav. It was game 6 against the Celtics which was his last game as a Cav.

[FLDFSU]

KD was 24-67 (36%) and 18-27 (67%) on FTs with 14 turnovers in the last 3 games.

What else is it than quit?

I would not call that quitting but my god if Lebron had those numbers ISH would crash for a week.

[AussieG]

It's not a quit when you play hard and just suck. His god mode juice ran out as each game went on.

[FLDFSU]

:lol at 27/19/10 quitting.

Lebron can quit any time he wants then if he quits with those stats.

[Mr. Jabbar]

1. 2011 Lebron
2. 2010 Lebron


agreed. rest is up for debate

[iDunkOnFatKids]

:lol at 27/19/10 quitting.

Lebron can quit any time he wants then if he quits with those stats.

Game 5 is the GOAT quit, not game 6. He scored like 15 pts, if i remember correctly. And he quit, even Stevie Wonder can see he quit.

[ClutchOver9000]

KD didnt quit but he def stunk it up in this do-or-die game.

[Duncan21formvp]

He played against a team that had 3 members of the all defense team and had no 2nd option.

[Bandito]

agreed. rest is up for debate
but 2011 wasn't a quit but a choke.:roll:

[tazb]

People forgetting about Kobe's legendary choke/quit Game 7 against the Suns? KD's is right after.

[Batz]

Uhm... Let me just put it up that Durant went up against one of the best defenses in recent memory, being guarded by arguabely the best on-ball defender of his time in Tony Allen, with DPOY guarding the paint, and other fantastic individual defenders being thrown at him and surrounding him.

Just putting that out there. Continue on.

[secund2nun]

Game 5 is the GOAT quit, not game 6. He scored like 15 pts, if i remember correctly. And he quit, even Stevie Wonder can see he quit.

Kobe quitting in game 6 of the 2008 NBA finals is the GOAT quit.

[secund2nun]

People forgetting about Kobe's legendary choke/quit Game 7 against the Suns? KD's is right after.

They are so busy sucking Kobe's overrated **** that they forgot that and game 6 2008 NBA finals.

[Jacks3]

LeBron's infamous game 5 and entire 2011 Finals. Damn that was pathetic.

[TheBigVeto]

People forgetting about Kobe's legendary choke/quit Game 7 against the Suns? KD's is right after.

I didn't dude. That Kobe quit is numero uno in any choking list.

[Shepseskaf]

LeBron's Game 5 vs Boston in 2010 will never be touched. Definitely the GOAT quit game.
Yeah, but that was a mom WTF situation. Pretty unique off-the-court scenario.

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron's infamous game 5 and entire 2011 Finals. Damn that was pathetic.
You can't quit something you did not even show up for:confusedshrug:

[Mrofir]

The kobe quit against the suns was determined and purposeful. He didn't just miss shots, he refused to shoot. He was trolling his own team. I've never seen anything like that in the history of the nba.

[Shepseskaf]

The kobe quit against the suns was determined and purposeful. He didn't just miss shots, he refused to shoot. He was trolling his own team. I've never seen anything like that in the history of the nba.
I was just amazed watching it. At the time, I thought it would taint his legacy forever.

To a certain extent, it did, but not as deeply as I projected.

[Jacks3]

Yeah, and LeBron did that for an entire NBA Finals. Amazing. And people still think the guy is comparable to Jordan. :oldlol:

[plowking]

The kobe quit against the suns was determined and purposeful. He didn't just miss shots, he refused to shoot. He was trolling his own team. I've never seen anything like that in the history of the nba.

Surprised it took this long to mention.

Looks like the forum is turning into Lebron vs KD, with Kobe being the afterthought now instead of KD.

[Solefade]

Uhm... Let me just put it up that Durant went up against one of the best defenses in recent memory, being guarded by arguabely the best on-ball defender of his time in Tony Allen, with DPOY guarding the paint, and other fantastic individual defenders being thrown at him and surrounding him.

Just putting that out there. Continue on.


Oh you mean like when Tony Allen was on the Celtics in 2010 part of the best defensive team that year too?

[iDunkOnFatKids]

Kobe quitting in game 6 of the 2008 NBA finals is the GOAT quit.


Not even Kobe's best quit game. That PHX game 7 is his top quit game. I give lebron the Goat Quit, since his team was suppose to be the favorite for the championship that year.

[Solefade]

Kobe@! http://youtu.be/HGoxIvuPtmo

[coin24]

There is only 1 bigger quit in history than LeBrons 2010 playoffs, and thats his 2011 finals:lol

Its funny how Lebron stans are so quick to try and mask that with KDs performance. The Cavs and Heat were both favourites to win the title those years, whereas the Thunder just lost 50% of there offense, no one expected them to beat the Grizzlies. I dont blame KD at all for this loss...



Face it, LeBron is the GOAT quitter and choker. :lebroncry:

[blacknapalm]

Uhm... Let me just put it up that Durant went up against one of the best defenses in recent memory, being guarded by arguabely the best on-ball defender of his time in Tony Allen, with DPOY guarding the paint, and other fantastic individual defenders being thrown at him and surrounding him.

Just putting that out there. Continue on.

nailed it. add to that the fact brooks wasn't very good at getting him open. it was either a simple pin down screen or on the ball screen. no triple screens like you see with SA with parker...

what a lame thread. KD shot 20+ times and was active. he played 47+ minutes with the defense focused on him. i mean, what do you really want? it wasn't a vintage game but it certainly wasn't terrible or a 'quit' job. that's just ridiculous. open your eyes and stop looking at everything black & white. so he's the face of the team? doesn't mean he gets all the blame. just because his shot was off doesn't mean he quit. whatever, i've been baited huh? :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Curse of the Sonics was the reason for KD's quit. Face it, OKC will never wins anything that matters because of this curse.

[MetsPackers]

What if.... both Lebron AND Kobe are alltime great players who were defeated by better teams, and fanboys are the only ones who really use those games as a benchmark for their careers :eek: :eek:

Bandito rising in the ranks of Kobetards/Lebron haters lately. Really trying to solidify himself as a terrible poster, and succeeding :applause:

[Crafty]

Kobe vs the Suns
Lebron vs the Celtics
Durant vs the Grizzlies

[Shepseskaf]

The Curse of the Sonics was the reason for KD's quit. Face it, OKC will never wins anything that matters because of this curse.
No, they only won the WC last year and played in the championship. :rolleyes:

[Harison]

Uhm... Let me just put it up that Durant went up against one of the best defenses in recent memory, being guarded by arguabely the best on-ball defender of his time in Tony Allen, with DPOY guarding the paint, and other fantastic individual defenders being thrown at him and surrounding him.

Just putting that out there. Continue on.

This. Fans should really distinguish between quiting (as in giving up) and playing hard but subpar.

[WadeBronDonJuan]

KD was 24-67 (36%) and 18-27 (67%) on FTs with 14 turnovers in the last 3 games.

What else is it than quit?

Uh... wouldn't he have to be 0/0 (0%) and 0-0 (0%) in everything to have "quit?"

If he was putting up shots, then he didn't quit.

[Jackass18]

So, he purposely missed all those shots including the one at the end? He had 3 of the last 4 assists for his team, including 2 nice passes that got his teammates easy dunks. He just had an off-game where he tried to do too much and came up a bit short. It's not like he ran around confused at the end like the Bulls. He created an open look for himself and just happened to miss the shot. That was more of a nightmare game.

[Magic 32]

People forgetting about Kobe's legendary choke/quit Game 7 against the Suns? KD's is right after.

How can it be legendary when it was only 2 quarters (the second half)?

Lebron quit for 16 quarters straight in the NBA finals.

[coin24]

People forgetting about Kobe's legendary choke/quit Game 7 against the Suns? KD's is right after.


You werent even watching ball back then f@ggot. Nice try..

Lebrons 2011 finals
LeBrons 2010 playoffs...

The two worst chokes/quitting of all time. :lol

[talkingconch]

Nah, lebron is GOAT in this subject

[ShaqAttack3234]

:lol at 27/19/10 quitting.

Lebron can quit any time he wants then if he quits with those stats.

The stats in no way told the story. He wasn't even close to as good as what those stats suggest. And if you're going by stats, you have to look at the 8/21 shooting and the 9 turnovers. And the visual of Lebron jumping in to get rebounds his teammates could have just as easily got makes the rebounding numbers kind of funny to me. Aside from that, 4 of his rebounds came on missed free throws and 2 of them came on his own miss.

Regardless of the numbers though, he just didn't have a particularly good game. Especially compared to his play all season. The numbers really seemed empty to me.

Game 5 is the really bad one, but in general, he didn't play well the last 3 games. In game 4, he had 22/9/8, but on 7/18 shooting, 0/5 on 3s and with 7 turnovers. So far the last 3 games, he averaged just 21.3 ppg on 34% shooting and his 8.3 apg came with 6.3 turnovers per game while he made just 2 of the 13 threes he attempted.

In general, his stats for the series don't tell the story of how well he played because he had 2 dominant games(games 1 and 3) and didn't play anywhere near his usual level in the other 4. Though his numbers for the series are way down compared to his season numbers as it is.

They were up 2-1 and if Lebron plays close to his usual level, the Cavs probably win the series. The Celtics deserve some credit, but Lebron just seemed off. He didn't seem like himself at all. I don't know if he was looking towards the summer, or if the Delonte rumor was true, but he really seemed distracted.

[BoutPractice]

Being bothered by good defense is not the same as quitting.

[RRR3]

Yeah, and LeBron did that for an entire NBA Finals. Amazing. And people still think the guy is comparable to Jordan. :oldlol:
R u bipolar? Cuz you made a post saying LBJ was best ever

[Crafty]

Being bothered by good defense is not the same as quitting.
You're right.
To Lebron is quitting, choking.
To Durant is being worn out

[aburre21]

The stats in no way told the story. He wasn't even close to as good as what those stats suggest. And if you're going by stats, you have to look at the 8/21 shooting and the 9 turnovers. And the visual of Lebron jumping in to get rebounds his teammates could have just as easily got makes the rebounding numbers kind of funny to me. Aside from that, 4 of his rebounds came on missed free throws and 2 of them came on his own miss.

Regardless of the numbers though, he just didn't have a particularly good game. Especially compared to his play all season. The numbers really seemed empty to me.

Game 5 is the really bad one, but in general, he didn't play well the last 3 games. In game 4, he had 22/9/8, but on 7/18 shooting, 0/5 on 3s and with 7 turnovers. So far the last 3 games, he averaged just 21.3 ppg on 34% shooting and his 8.3 apg came with 6.3 turnovers per game while he made just 2 of the 13 threes he attempted.

In general, his stats for the series don't tell the story of how well he played because he had 2 dominant games(games 1 and 3) and didn't play anywhere near his usual level in the other 4. Though his numbers for the series are way down compared to his season numbers as it is.

They were up 2-1 and if Lebron plays close to his usual level, the Cavs probably win the series. The Celtics deserve some credit, but Lebron just seemed off. He didn't seem like himself at all. I don't know if he was looking towards the summer, or if the Delonte rumor was true, but he really seemed distracted.


you're an idiot. the games they won LeBron averaged like 36.5 ppg. Do you think anyone is gonna average that against an elite defensive team in a series, let alone one of the best defenses of all time and being guarded by one of the best perimeter defenders in recent memory? Tom Thibodeau was still coaching that Celtics defense too.



Their problems wasn't offensive anyway. LeBron made Paul Pierce look like a scrub but Garnett, Ray, and Rndo abused Cleveland. Jamison, Mo Williams sucked ass and got murdered

[DFB]

Pales in comparison to Kobe's 2004 and 2006 choke jobs.

1. 2004 Kobe
2. 2011 Lebron
3. 2006 Kobe
4. 2013 Durant

[Crafty]

How about when Kobe threw 3 aiballs agains the Utah Jazz? Surprised nobody talked about it

[AlphaWolf24]

- I'm going with the guy who changed his NUMBER from.... #23 to #6
before the playoff's......

- Then during the next summer conviently announces he's going to the team with a retired #23 jersey....

- never seen anything like it...( oh yeah....his old team won 63 games and was favored to go to the Finals....for the 2nd straight year)

[ShaqAttack3234]

you're an idiot. the games they won LeBron averaged like 36.5 ppg. Do you think anyone is gonna average that against an elite defensive team in a series, let alone one of the best defenses of all time and being guarded by one of the best perimeter defenders in recent memory? Tom Thibodeau was still coaching that Celtics defense too.



Their problems wasn't offensive anyway. LeBron made Paul Pierce look like a scrub but Garnett, Ray, and Rndo abused Cleveland. Jamison, Mo Williams sucked ass and got murdered

I never said Lebron had to average 36.5, I said close to his usual level, as in his season level.

But in game 1, Lebron had 35/7/7 on 12/24 shooting, which was a great game, but not unusual for him. In game 3, he had 38/8/7 on 14/22 shooting, but it was a 29 point blowout. He could have scored more had he wanted to, but they didn't even need such an incredible game because it wasn't remotely close.

You're acting like Lebron playing poorly in 4 out of the 6 games, including 3 in a row isn't an essential detail? Especially when he's their star?

You're the idiot if you don't think that's a valid point. I'm not necessarily asking for 36-37 ppg, but the guy average 30/7/9, 51% for the entire season and looked like the best player in the league by far during that regular season so I expect a hell of a lot more than what he did vs Boston, especially since they lost.

Oh, and I have seen players put up comparable numbers to what you mentioned vs elite defenses. I don't expect that, but I expect a hell of a lot more from a player of Lebron's caliber than what he did vs Boston.

[AlphaWolf24]

How about when Kobe threw 3 aiballs agains the Utah Jazz? Surprised nobody talked about it


Yup....

- 10 year vets begging High school teenage Kobe to take the ball full court with the game on the line...

- 10 year vets passing up open jumpshots so they could pass to Highschool Kobe

- Teenage Kobe carrying the Lakers in OT ...and missing GW shots....that no one wanted to take.

- What a quitter....should have joined MJ and Pippen in 98'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HrVnpFxlDB8#t=284s

[Nash]

This forum, my god. Do people use logic when determining who quit more, Durant, Lebron or Kobe? I feel like people picking the player they hate.

[chosen_wun]

Durant imma let you finish quitting, but I just gotta say that LeBron has the best 'quitting' numbers of all time.

But seriously its funny how Lebron always gets career highs in something when he supposedly quits.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Durant imma let you finish quitting, but I just gotta say that LeBron has the best 'quitting' numbers of all time.

But seriously its funny how Lebron always gets career highs in something when he supposedly quits.

Difficult to judge when a player "quits" or not, but one thing is for sure and it's that Lebron didn't seem like himself those last 3 games vs Boston.

[chosen_wun]

Difficult to judge when a player "quits" or not, but one thing is for sure and it's that Lebron didn't seem like himself those last 3 games vs Boston.
You can sense that at times he has been on the verge of mentally checking out, but he still manages to help his team in ways other players trying their hardest could never accomplish.

[ShaqAttack3234]

You can sense that at times he has been on the verge of mentally checking out, but he still manages to help his team in ways other players trying their hardest could never accomplish.

I don't disagree at all. I just don't judge Lebron like I judge other players. I judge these players in the playoffs compared to their own usual level of play. Lebron is so good that on his worst nights, he'll still be better than most, but what I look for from Lebron is playoff runs like the one he had last year. Big games when his team needs it(game 6 vs Boston) and dominant playoff series where he looks like the best player in the game(which he has been for the last 5 seasons, imo)

[dh144498]

didnt lebron drop 27/20/10 the next game? :lol

:wtf:

not sure if trolling or just really dumb.

[pauk]

Name me just one player in NBA history who did not "quit" in the playoffs?

[AlphaWolf24]

Name me just one player in NBA history who did not "quit" in the playoffs?


- Just so we are clear...( last time you didn't know what a game winning shot was.....so we need to get this outta the way)

- Quit ( defined from fx free dictionary)

1.To depart from; leave:
2. To leave the company of:
3. To give up; relinquish: quit a job.
4. To abandon or put aside; .
5. To cease or discontinue:

yup only Lebron...

many have failed...only LBJ "quit"

[chosen_wun]

- Just so we are clear...( last time you didn't know what a game winning shot was.....so we need to get this outta the way)

- Quit ( defined from fx free dictionary)

1.To depart from; leave:
2. To leave the company of:
3. To give up; relinquish: quit a job.
4. To abandon or put aside; .
5. To cease or discontinue:

yup only Lebron...

many have failed...only LBJ "quit"
You're forgetting about the dude who carried the guy in your avi to championships, he also quit according to your logic...oh wise Laker fan.:facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

You're forgetting about the dude who carried the guy in your avi to championships, he also quit according to your logic...oh wise Laker fan.:facepalm


traded......

april 2013



next

[longtime lurker]

Lol @ any Lebron fan calling out any other player for quitting. KD had a bad game that is not quitting you idiots

[chosen_wun]

traded......

april 2013



next:facepalm

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1370&dat=19960720&id=8WUVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0goEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3531,3152523

[ShaqAttack3234]

traded......

april 2013



next

Left Orlando as a free agent, and then demanded a trade from the Lakers very publicly.

[chosen_wun]

I want you to read the first few sentences of that article carefully and then proceed to stfu forever.

And its not even in hindsight to make Shaq look bad today, that was written during the time it took place.

[AlphaWolf24]

I want you to read the first few sentences of that article carefully and then proceed to stfu forever.

And its not even in hindsight to make Shaq look bad today, that was written during the time it took place.


- It was written after 90% of the Magic fanbase voted Shaq was not worth his contract ....

- Compared to the hometown Kid who everyone Loved like a Brother leaving his hometown team ...seriously:confusedshrug:

- ....Lebron was in a very unique situation...especially looking at the relationship with Ohio fans.....


- but yeah they both quit on thier team......although like I said......Orlando fans acted with distain against Shaq.....Lebron was loved like family.




I know you can't see it.....because your lost in the sauce.

[ShaqAttack3234]

- It was written after 90% of the Magic fanbase voted Shaq was not worth his contract ....

- Compared to the hometown Kid who everyone Loved like a Brother leaving his hometown team ...seriously:confusedshrug:

- ....Lebron was in a very unique situation...especially looking at the relationship with Ohio fans.....


- but yeah they both quit on thier team......although like I said......Orlando fans acted with distain against Shaq.....Lebron was loved like family.




I know you can't see it.....because your lost in the sauce.

Neither quit in those cases. Both played out their contracts and signed elsewhere as free agents, which is the whole point of free agency, to be able to choose which team you'd rather play for.

[AlphaWolf24]

Neither quit in those cases. Both played out their contracts and signed elsewhere as free agents, which is the whole point of free agency, to be able to choose which team you'd rather play for.


- come on now....

- save the sidewalk spin moves...

- Shaq left a great team.....the thing was he didn't have as much investment/ roots in Orlano...

- again...even the fans thought his contract was not worth it...did he quit and leave in a akward way?...yes.


- But not nearly in the same level as Lebron did....combined with changing his number the year before?:rolleyes: ......and just playing uninspired ball.....

- aint no way a sane person could spin it as " oh well....he was just free agent"......"Lebron leaving Cleveland is the same as Boozer leaving Cleveland"

- Shaq would have never spit " bioligical didn't bother" if loyalty doesn't play roles in our views.

[jlip]

I don't think KD quit. Nor should he be faulted for losing to an obviously superior team. I just have reservations about the lack of wide spread criticism for the abysmal performances in crunch time and crucial moments when if other "superstars" performed that way they would (and have been) blasted to no end. There would be 5 threads on the front page alone if Kobe or Lebron (especially) had missed free throws in the waning moments of a close game, missed wide open game winners or game tying shots, went 1-4 and 2-13 in the fourth quarter and OT of consecutive games, and shot 5-21 in a must win, closeout games. Again, I don't blame KD for losing, and really don't criticize him for shooting poorly against an elite defensive team. But if Kobe, Melo, and Lebron are going to get mocked and scorned for doing those things, what exempts Durant from the same foolish criticism?

[AlphaWolf24]

I don't think KD quit. Nor should he be faulted for losing to an obviously superior team. I just have reservations about the lack of wide spread criticism for the abysmal performances in crunch time and crucial moments when if other "superstars" performed that way they would (and have been) blasted to no end. There would be 5 threads on the front page alone if Kobe or Lebron (especially) had missed free throws in the waning moments of a close game, missed wide open game winners or game tying shots, went 1-4 and 2-13 in the fourth quarter and OT of consecutive games, and shot 5-21 in a must win, closeout games. Again, I don't blame KD for losing, and really don't criticize him for shooting poorly against an elite defensive team. But if Kobe, Melo, and Lebron are going to get mocked and scorned for doing those things, what exempts Durant from the same foolish criticism?


this...

Kobe losing without Shaq = Quitter (months long threads daily)

Lebron losing with / without Wade = quitter ( months long threads daily)

KD losing without RW = meh....he tried hard....never had a chance anyways ( not a single **** was given)





either A) no one cares......

or

B) people feel sorry for KD playing in a large Truck Stop aka OKC..:confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

Kobe vs. the Suns wasn't a quit. He scored 20 in the first half, but the team was down by 20 still, so Phil told them to go back to what they were doing the first few games, pounding it down to Odom and Kwame :facepalm .

How quickly people forget these things.

[Sarcastic]

Name me just one player in NBA history who did not "quit" in the playoffs?


Bill Russell?

[ShaqAttack3234]

- come on now....

- save the sidewalk spin moves...

- Shaq left a great team.....the thing was he didn't have as much investment/ roots in Orlano...

- again...even the fans thought his contract was not worth it...did he quit and leave in a akward way?...yes.


- But not nearly in the same level as Lebron did....combined with changing his number the year before?:rolleyes: ......and just playing uninspired ball.....

- aint no way a sane person could spin it as " oh well....he was just free agent"......"Lebron leaving Cleveland is the same as Boozer leaving Cleveland"

- Shaq would have never spit " bioligical didn't bother" if loyalty doesn't play roles in our views.

Different situations obviously in that Shaq's decision obviously wasn't motivated by the quality of his team since his Magic team(and especially second best player) were better than the team he was joining in Orlando. Instead as you said, that poll likely had something to do with it, and I believe Brian Hill as well(who he took shots at after leaving) in addition to being in the spotlight in LA since he was doing those terrible movies and rap albums at the time.

A lot of people use Lebron being from Akron, but that's never mattered to me. Basketball is a business, and if you fulfill your contractual obligations, I see nothing wrong with leaving when your contract is up. The only obligation I player has to a team is during their contract.

This loyalty thing is mostly in the fan's minds. If a player sees a situation that's better, they'll leave 95% of the time. Just like the teams will part with the player if there's a better one available.

[DFish24]

Kobe vs. the Suns wasn't a quit. He scored 20 in the first half, but the team was down by 20 still, so Phil told them to go back to what they were doing the first few games, pounding it down to Odom and Kwame :facepalm .

How quickly people forget these things.

:applause: :applause:

[dh144498]

Kobe vs. the Suns wasn't a quit. He scored 20 in the first half, but the team was down by 20 still, so Phil told them to go back to what they were doing the first few games, pounding it down to Odom and Kwame :facepalm .

How quickly people forget these things.

this. He even explained it on Inside the NBA against Chuck. But morons are still saying the opposite even 7 years later. :oldlol:

[daj0264]

almost as bad as lebrons in the 2011 finals

[NumberSix]

Different situations obviously in that Shaq's decision obviously wasn't motivated by the quality of his team since his Magic team(and especially second best player) were better than the team he was joining in Orlando. Instead as you said, that poll likely had something to do with it, and I believe Brian Hill as well(who he took shots at after leaving) in addition to being in the spotlight in LA since he was doing those terrible movies and rap albums at the time.

A lot of people use Lebron being from Akron, but that's never mattered to me. Basketball is a business, and if you fulfill your contractual obligations, I see nothing wrong with leaving when your contract is up. The only obligation I player has to a team is during their contract.

This loyalty thing is mostly in the fan's minds. If a player sees a situation that's better, they'll leave 95% of the time. Just like the teams will part with the player if there's a better one available.
Exactly. Besides LeBron isn't from Cleveland. It's not his "home town". It's just a city in the same state. It's like growing up in San Diego and calling Los Angeles your home town. It doesn't make any kind of sense.