Dirk is a noble man.

[ripthekik]

DALLAS -- Dirk Nowitzki's intention to take a "significant pay cut" next summer will be part of the Mavericks' sales pitch in July as they attempt to sign a superstar in free agency.

If the Mavs are able to meet with Chris Paul and/or Dwight Howard, Nowitzki plans to promise them that he'll be extremely flexible in his next negotiations with owner Mark Cuban, ensuring that Dallas will have ample space under the salary cap to acquire more talent in the summer of 2014.

"At this point of my career, it's all about competing and winning," Nowitzki said Thursday after an event to promote AT&T's "It Can Wait" program, which urges people not to text and drive. "It's not about money. Obviously, Cuban took care of me for a long, long time. I always tried to pay him back by hard playing and being here for this franchise, so I don't think we're going to fight over money. I want to compete over these last couple of years. That's going to be the goal."DALLAS -- Dirk Nowitzki's intention to take a "significant pay cut" next summer will be part of the Mavericks' sales pitch in July as they attempt to sign a superstar in free agency.

If the Mavs are able to meet with Chris Paul and/or Dwight Howard, Nowitzki plans to promise them that he'll be extremely flexible in his next negotiations with owner Mark Cuban, ensuring that Dallas will have ample space under the salary cap to acquire more talent in the summer of 2014.

"At this point of my career, it's all about competing and winning," Nowitzki said Thursday after an event to promote AT&T's "It Can Wait" program, which urges people not to text and drive. "It's not about money. Obviously, Cuban took care of me for a long, long time. I always tried to pay him back by hard playing and being here for this franchise, so I don't think we're going to fight over money. I want to compete over these last couple of years. That's going to be the goal."
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/9282183/dirk-nowitzki-dallas-mavericks-plans-take-huge-pay-cut


How much of this do we see these days? True old school superstar that stay loyal to their teams. There are only a few stars left in the league who has stayed with their teams: Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Duncan, etc. These are the true respectable guys of the league. :applause:

Once again, props to Dirk. This guy is pure class. I would be damn glad for Dirk to win another championship.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/9282183/dirk-nowitzki-dallas-mavericks-plans-take-huge-pay-cut


How much of this do we see these days? True old school superstar that stay loyal to their teams. There are only a few stars left in the league who has stayed with their teams: Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Duncan, etc. These are the true respectable guys of the league. :applause:

Once again, props to Dirk. This guy is pure class. I would be damn glad for Dirk to win another championship.
It is still ring chasing no matter which way you slice it.

[ripthekik]

It is still ring chasing no matter which way you slice it.
It's not chasing if you're not going anywhere :rolleyes:
It's sacrificing to help your franchise and make your team better.
That's a hell lot more respectable than ring-chasing like gary payton or juwan howard.

[bmd]

How is it noble? He is essentially paying for a ring.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

It's not chasing if you're not going anywhere :rolleyes:
It's sacrificing to help your franchise and make your team better.
That's a hell lot more respectable than ring-chasing like gary payton or juwan howard.
Yeah well luckily for Dirk odds are no one is coming to Dallas. And he won't win another ring or make the play off's ever again.

[Nash]

You do know your #1 hate object Lebron James has taken a significant pay cut?

[K Xerxes]

Would you hate an all time great for leaving Charlotte if it meant going to a big market city primed to compete for championships year in year out?

[ripthekik]

How is it noble? He is essentially paying for a ring.
Staying in your own franchise, demanding less money than a player of his stature deserves, all for the reason of helping the team and franchise improve is not noble?

:facepalm
What should he do, sign with another rival contender like Ray Allen, maybe that's noble for you? Or demand to be paid max and cripple his franchise? What he's doing is the best for the franchise at the expense of himself. I don't know why it even needs explanation. The new generation of fans are ruined by the Heat, soon these 90/00's loyal stars will be extinct.

[SCdac]

Why do I get the feeling this kind of gesture is a season or 2 too late?

Also, for as generous and humble Dirk is, it's sure sad that his GM is a cheapskate and bitch.

Take a paycut and come to the Spurs Dirk :oldlol:

[Lateralus]

How is it noble? He is essentially paying for a ring.

Earned, not given.
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dirk-Nowitzki.jpg

:applause:

[Rose'sACL]

Would you hate an all time great for leaving Charlotte if it meant going to a big market city primed to compete for championships year in year out?
if that guy is better than kobe then he would. people forget that this is a privately owned league with privately owned teams.
It seems like people think this is college basketball where only players from your college play for your team.
Supporting a team based on where you are born is being a bandwagon fan too as everyone does it without thinking because it is considered cool.Make your choice based on the type of basketball that team plays instead of location of that team or players on those teams.
If the team plays your kind of basketball, support it.

[ripthekik]

Earned, not given.
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Dirk-Nowitzki.jpg

:applause:
:applause:

this guy definitely earned it.
he is that dude

http://epidemikcoalition.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dirk_is_that_dude_655.jpg

[creepingdeath]

Why do I get the feeling this kind of gesture is a season or 2 too late?

Also, for as generous and humble Dirk is, it's sure sad that his GM is a cheapskate and bitch.

Take a paycut and come to the Spurs Dirk :oldlol:
Dirk already took a paycut 3 years ago.

Yeah well luckily for Dirk odds are no one is coming to Dallas. And he won't win another ring or make the play off's ever again.
http://i.imgur.com/8JPLGth.gif

[(e)]

You do know your #1 hate object Lebron James has taken a significant pay cut?
You should really educate yourself on some tax laws. He didn't really take a significant pay cut to play in Miami.

Every single home game check is tax free...

[Nash]

Loyalty is fun when you're in a big market on a team that actually wants to make the team better. Why are players always loyal to LA and other big market teams?

Also loyalty never goes 2 ways, if you play bad and there is something better out there for the team you're playing for, loyalty will get thrown the feck away and you'll get traded in a second.

[K Xerxes]

Answer my question ripthekik.

[Shepseskaf]

And he won't win another ring or make the play off's ever again.
Dallas will make the playoffs again with Dirk. Winning another ring is very doubtful, though.

[ripthekik]

Also loyalty never goes 2 ways, if you play bad and there is something better out there for the team you're playing for, loyalty will get thrown the feck away and you'll get traded in a second.
That's why loyalty is so rare in the league today. And that's why guys like Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Duncan are a dying breed and should be applause.

This new generation of players? They'll bolt ASAP after their rookie contracts to a big city. Although there are still old school guys like Durant who signed without even making a deal of it :applause:

Maybe there is still hope.

[Nash]

You should really educate yourself on some tax laws. He didn't really take a significant pay cut to play in Miami.

Every single home game check is tax free...
You should educate yourself, Lebron left money on the table and Lebron himself raises the value of the franchise he represents to astronomical levels like nobody else. If Lebron leaves his franchise the value of that franchise will drop like crazy. What does he get for it? NBA milking that cow.

[ripthekik]

Would you hate an all time great for leaving Charlotte if it meant going to a big market city primed to compete for championships year in year out?
If he had actually played in that uniform and left as soon as his contract is over, then obviously I wouldn't respect the guy as much, although that act is pretty much the norm today.

It's a free market afterall, and that's why it makes guys who stay with their own teams, such as Dirk in this case, and willing to make it better much more respectable.

[D-Rose]

That's why loyalty is so rare in the league today. And that's why guys like Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Duncan are a dying breed and should be applause.

This new generation of players? They'll bolt ASAP after their rookie contracts to a big city. Although there are still old school guys like Durant who signed without even making a deal of it :applause:

Maybe there is still hope.
Being a huge Kobe fan myself forever, I don't think he deserves to be lumped in that group.

He originally resisted the Hornets and forced them to trade him. Then had many trade demands in tough times as a Laker. Not judging him for it, but just saying that it's NOT what PP, Dirk, Duncan have done in their careers.

[Nash]

That's why loyalty is so rare in the league today. And that's why guys like Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, Duncan are a dying breed and should be applause.

This new generation of players? They'll bolt ASAP after their rookie contracts to a big city. Although there are still old school guys like Durant who signed without even making a deal of it :applause:

Maybe there is still hope.
Kobe is not loyal, let's start there. He admitted himself that he wanted out and off to Chicago. Also he never wanted Charlotte from the beginning.

The rest never had any reason to not be loyal because their teams were basically always competitive or on the verge of getting there before they could leave(Pierce, Wade).

[(e)]

You should educate yourself, Lebron left money on the table and Lebron himself raises the value of the franchise he represents to astronomical levels like nobody else. If Lebron leaves his franchise the value of that franchise will drop like crazy. What does he get for it? NBA milking that cow.
All things considered, he didn't take a pay cut. In fact, he's making more money in Miami than he ever did in Cleveland...

He didn't take a pay cut. Try to argue it with some real facts and I'll make your head spin.

[Rose'sACL]

All things considered, he didn't take a pay cut. In fact, he's making more money in Miami than he ever did in Cleveland...

He didn't take a pay cut. Try to argue it with some real facts and I'll make your head spin.
isn't it the same for dallas?

[ripthekik]

Kobe is not loyal, let's start there. He admitted himself that he wanted out and off to Chicago. Also he never wanted Charlotte from the beginning.

The rest never had any reason to not be loyal because their teams were basically always competitive or on the verge of getting there before they could leave(Pierce, Wade).
When he threatened to leave, I thought that was a great move. Forcing your management to make a move immediately to improve the team is great, much better than simply leaving your team. In fact it gives the team an opportunity, a chance to fix the ship before everything goes bad and they lose their star. It is something to be applauded for; more patience should be given to your franchise. Threatening to move also means what? That he would still give the team a chance, and would still rather win with the team than any other team.

I wish current day stars would be more like that, instead of just bolting.

[(e)]

isn't it the same for dallas?
Isn't what the same for Dallas? Their taxes?

[D-Rose]

When he threatened to leave, I thought that was a great move. Forcing your management to make a move immediately to improve the team is great, much better than simply leaving your team. In fact it gives the team an opportunity, a chance to fix the ship before everything goes bad and they lose their star. It is something to be applauded for; more patience should be given to your franchise. Threatening to move also means what? That he would still give the team a chance, and would still rather win with the team than any other team.

I wish current day stars would be more like that, instead of just bolting.
You're completely changing the subject :facepalm All that is fine and dandy, but demanding to be traded away clearly doesn't put him in the same category as quiet unassuming superstars like Duncan, PP, Dirk and how they handled their teams and contracts.

[Haymaker]

All things considered, he didn't take a pay cut. In fact, he's making more money in Miami than he ever did in Cleveland...

He didn't take a pay cut. Try to argue it with some real facts and I'll make your head spin.

Derrick Rose is getting paid 5 years / $94.31 million. Bron's market value is a little bit more than that. Yes, he did take a paycut.

[Rose'sACL]

Isn't what the same for Dallas? Their taxes?
that is what i meant. their taxes . if i am not wrong, there is not salary tax in dallas plus the fact that you play houston, san antonio 4 times in the season which helps even more.

[Goldrush25]

If Dirk was so noble why didn't he take a paycut years ago so they could keep Steve Nash?

[bmd]

Staying in your own franchise, demanding less money than a player of his stature deserves, all for the reason of helping the team and franchise improve is not noble?

:facepalm
What should he do, sign with another rival contender like Ray Allen, maybe that's noble for you? Or demand to be paid max and cripple his franchise? What he's doing is the best for the franchise at the expense of himself. I don't know why it even needs explanation. The new generation of fans are ruined by the Heat, soon these 90/00's loyal stars will be extinct.It isn't noble or not noble.

It just is.

He's taking a pay cut so that he can get more help around him to win a ring. He isn't doing it for some "noble" reasons... he wants another ring, and he wants help to do it.

[ALBballer]

If Dirk was so noble why didn't he take a paycut years ago so they could keep Steve Nash?

I don't have the figures on me, but I'm pretty sure Dampier and Terry got paid more at the time than what Nash got in Phoenix. Dallas didn't want to give Nash a long term deal, there was nothing Dirk could do about it.

I really hope Dirk gets one of the big FA to come to Dallas. CP3 is a crapshoot but I think Howard is possible.

[D-Rose]

If Dirk was so noble why didn't he take a paycut years ago so they could keep Steve Nash?
that has nothing to do with Dirk.

wiki:
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[Ne 1]

Also he never wanted Charlotte from the beginning.


Not true.



The deal was actually done a day ahead of time, and it was Vlade for a player to be named," said Bill Branch, the Hornets' head scout at the time who still operates out of Charlotte as a scout for the Seattle-now-Oklahoma City Sonics. "If I remember right, they didn't even tell us who they wanted us to pick until about five minutes before the pick was made. So it was never a matter of us actually drafting Kobe."

The trade was more about the Lakers' pursuit of Shaquille O'Neal in free agency and the Hornets' need to acquire a center than it was about Kobe Bryant.

So basically, the Hornets agreed to swap the 13th pick for Vlade before they even knew the Lakers wanted Kobe. The Lakers told the Hornets to draft Kobe 5 minutes before they made the pick.

Another quote
[QUOTE]
what chance did John Calipari and the Nets have of getting him to New Jersey vs. skipping off to Italy, which was the threat by agent Arn Tellem?

[Rose'sACL]

i think CP3 would fit great in dallas. no salary tax plus playing a lot of your away games in texas where there is no salary tax helps too.

[Goldrush25]

It isn't noble or not noble.

It just is.

He's taking a pay cut so that he can get more help around him to win a ring. He isn't doing it for some "noble" reasons... he wants another ring, and he wants help to do it.

Of course. Anyone can see that.

OP is on this board to bait and rabble rouse. That's it.

[ripthekik]

If Dirk was so noble why didn't he take a paycut years ago so they could keep Steve Nash?
Might as well ask why he doesnt take minimum pay too :facepalm

[ALBballer]

i think CP3 would fit great in dallas. no salary tax plus playing a lot of your away games in texas where there is no salary tax helps too.

Ye taxes are a big issue. In Califoria I believe it's over 10% for millionaires. But I guess that could be offset by endorsements...

[Goldrush25]

Might as well ask why he doesnt take minimum pay too :facepalm

Yep, might as well.

You're the one that started this thread based on a ridiculous premise that in some instances it's ok to take less to win and in others it isn't.

[(e)]

Derrick Rose is getting paid 5 years / $94.31 million. Bron's market value is a little bit more than that. Yes, he did take a paycut.

Rose's contract is irrelevant. His contract was a product of the new CBA.

But market value =/= pay cut.

He saves at least 200,000 a year in taxes just in the regular season. Did he leave salary money on the table in Cleveland? Yes...but that's not taking a pay cut, that's him taking less than he's worth in terms of NBA salary.

With his income tax benefits from living in Miami and endorsement deals from living in a major market, Lebron is making more money now than he did when he was in Cleveland. How can you take a pay cut when you're making more money?

[Rose'sACL]

Might as well ask why he doesnt take minimum pay too :facepalm
based on your great moral standards, name me 10 players who are top 40 players all time in the league who played for a club that has not won any rings in their history and stayed in those places for their whole life.

[K Xerxes]

If he had actually played in that uniform and left as soon as his contract is over, then obviously I wouldn't respect the guy as much, although that act is pretty much the norm today.

It's a free market afterall, and that's why it makes guys who stay with their own teams, such as Dirk in this case, and willing to make it better much more respectable.

This is the problem. You don't understand or respect the difference of market between LA and Charlotte for example. They are massively different. LA has a rich tradition of winning, it offers an inticing life, money, fame and everything else.

Or you can become basically a Reggie Miller and starve at the same shitty organisation for your whole career. However, no matter how stacked the teams he wins with may be, LeBron's career with rings is better than one without. That is undeniable. He probably wouldn't crack the top 10 without rings even if won 10 MVPs.

[ripthekik]

Yep, might as well.

You're the one that started this thread based on a ridiculous premise that in some instances it's ok to take less to win and in others it isn't.
When Bill Gates donate $20 mill to charity is he not noble? Then some dumbass like you would ask, "if he's so noble, why doesn't he donate $200 million? Or all his money?"
It'll never end if you view it that way, so how about you just appreciate the single act and gesture.

Dirk is doing it for the good of his franchise, that's why it's great in this case.

[Rose'sACL]

Rose's contract is irrelevant. His contract was a product of the new CBA.

But market value =/= pay cut.

He saves at least 200,000 a year in taxes just in the regular season. Did he leave salary money on the table in Cleveland? Yes...but that's not taking a pay cut, that's him taking less than he's worth in terms of NBA salary.

With his income tax benefits from living in Miami and endorsement deals from living in a major market, Lebron is making more money now than he did when he was in Cleveland. How can you take a pay cut when you're making more money?
why don't you reply to my posts when i say that texas has no salary tax and mavs play 2 Texas teams in their division. the best part is that it is much cheaper to buy a big house in dallas than in miami.

[ripthekik]

based on your great moral standards, name me 10 players who are top 40 players all time in the league who played for a club that has not won any rings in their history and stayed in those places for their whole life.
Why should 0 rings be part of the criteria? A lot of guys won a ring because they stayed and eventually got rewarded, e.g. Dirk. Those guys earned their ring, instead of bolting, why shouldn't they be included?

There's plenty of guys in the top 40 that stayed on the same franchise from rookie til the end of their primes.

[Goldrush25]

When Bill Gates donate $20 mill to charity is he not noble? Then some dumbass like you would ask, "if he's so noble, why doesn't he donate $200 million? Or all his money?"
It'll never end if you view it that way, so how about you just appreciate the single act and gesture.

Dirk is doing it for the good of his franchise, that's why it's great in this case.

There is no nobility in what Dirk is proposing. There is no altruism in what Dirk is proposing. He is doing it for HIS purposes, because HE wants to win. He's essentially paying for the services of more players. It is no different than any other instance in which a player takes less than the maximum amount that they could take, with the purpose of making room for more talented teammates. You're undermining your own agenda against Lebron James and the Heat.

LOL @ you comparing an NBA player proposing a paycut to donating to charity. Try that on some of these other simpletons with an account on this site. Won't work on me.

[NBAller]

There is no nobility in what Dirk is proposing. There is no altruism in what Dirk is proposing. He is doing it for HIS purposes, because HE wants to win. He's essentially paying for the services of more players. It is no different than any other instance in which a player takes less than the maximum amount that they could take, with the purpose of making room for more talented teammates. You're undermining your own agenda against Lebron James and the Heat.

LOL @ you comparing an NBA player proposing a paycut to donating to charity. Try that on some of these other simpletons with an account on this site. Won't work on me.

don't waste your time...that fool isn't reasonable and lives in her own world.

[Rose'sACL]

When Bill Gates donate $20 mill to charity is he not noble? Then some dumbass like you would ask, "if he's so noble, why doesn't he donate $200 million? Or all his money?"
It'll never end if you view it that way, so how about you just appreciate the single act and gesture.

Dirk is doing it for the good of his franchise, that's why it's great in this case.
it is not his franchise. it is cuban's. stop acting like a sports fan whose identity is that he was born in the same city/state as the team he supports. everyone does it because it is cool and it is easier to fit in if you do so.
It is same as only trying to be a teacher because your father is a teacher.
Dirk is doing this to win another ring. he has mentioned in his interview with grantland that he was lucky to catch heat in their 1st year together and now he knows that he needs great help to win another ring.
i respect Dirk because he has a really good basketball mind and respects his opponent which lebron didn't do till he choked in 2011 finals.
Dirk can't leave dallas now and he was never as good or as popular as kobe/lebron to go to another team and demand trades he wants.

[ripthekik]

There is no nobility in what Dirk is proposing. There is no altruism in what Dirk is proposing. He is doing it for HIS purposes, because HE wants to win. He's essentially paying for the services of more players. It is no different than any other instance in which a player takes less than the maximum amount that they could take, with the purpose of making room for more talented teammates. You're undermining your own agenda against Lebron James and the Heat.

LOL @ you comparing an NBA player proposing a paycut to donating to charity. Try that on some of these other simpletons with an account on this site. Won't work on me.
Is it all for him? If so, maybe you'd have an argument. But read the article. It's also for Cuban, the WHOLE FRANCHISE, and his teammates. He's not the only one that's going to receive the trophy. The entire CITY will be celebrating it. So he's doing something good for the entire franchise/city at his own expense. That's noble.

[Rose'sACL]

Is it all for him? If so, maybe you'd have an argument. But read the article. It's also for Cuban, the WHOLE FRANCHISE, and his teammates. He's not the only one that's going to receive the trophy. The entire CITY will be celebrating it. So he's doing something good for the entire franchise/city at his own expense. That's noble.
the entire city of miami celebrated last year's championship win too. you will never win this argument.

[ripthekik]

the entire city of miami celebrated last year's championship win too. you will never win this argument.
Wait, I've been arguing about Dirk only, all my posts were talking about Dirk... since when were we talking about Lebron? :oldlol:

What argument are we having? and how is lebron relevant to this discussion? His situation is entirely different, irrelevant to Dirk's.

[Rose'sACL]

Wait, I've been arguing about Dirk only, all my posts were talking about Dirk... since when were we talking about Lebron? :oldlol:

What argument are we having? and how is lebron relevant to this discussion? His situation is entirely different, irrelevant to Dirk's.
When you remove your avatar and stop posting about lebron everywhere, i will listen to this argument. everyone here knows your agenda. everyone here also knows that you hate basketball. you only like it because ESPN has made it into a soap opera for guys like you.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dirk doing the right thing. **** ring chasing.

[Goldrush25]

don't waste your time...that fool isn't reasonable and lives in her own world.

You're right. The terrorist wins with every response he gets.

[ripthekik]

When you remove your avatar and stop posting about lebron everywhere, i will listen to this argument. everyone here knows your agenda. everyone here also knows that you hate basketball. you only like it because ESPN has made it into a soap opera for guys like you.
lol.. here I am talking about Dirk all thread long while you try to make it relevant to Lebron, and you're saying i'm the guy posting about him everywhere with an agenda? Oh you, :rolleyes:

[Nash]

When Bill Gates donate $20 mill to charity is he not noble? Then some dumbass like you would ask, "if he's so noble, why doesn't he donate $200 million? Or all his money?"
It'll never end if you view it that way, so how about you just appreciate the single act and gesture.

Dirk is doing it for the good of his franchise, that's why it's great in this case.
For the good of the franchise? He's doing it to win, that's what's more important.

Let's for example say, if Dirk was stuck in Dallas with a max deal but they had financial problems, you think he would have taken a paycut for the good of his beloved franchise? There is a difference between taking a paycut to make your team competitive and to take a paycut for the good of the team. Another example would be if Cuban asked Dirk to take a paycut so they can rebuild, I don't really think that would interest Dirk.

[bmd]

Is it all for him? If so, maybe you'd have an argument. But read the article. It's also for Cuban, the WHOLE FRANCHISE, and his teammates. He's not the only one that's going to receive the trophy. The entire CITY will be celebrating it. So he's doing something good for the entire franchise/city at his own expense. That's noble.So would Dirk be okay with going to another team so that Cuban and the Mavs can afford more good players to win a championship without him?

I mean, if he loves the Mavs franchise so much, he would be willing to go somewhere else so that Cuban and the city of Dallas can win a championship.

Give me a break.

Dirk may very well want Dallas to have another championship... but only if he is there to help them win it. He doesn't necessarily care about the franchise... he cares about the franchise because he is the star player of that franchise.

And there is nothing wrong with that. It's in his own self-interest. But don't sit here and pretend like he's doing something noble and he's just a selfless human being.

He wants a ring and he's willing to take a pay cut to get it.

Again, that's fine. But there is nothing noble about it.

[ripthekik]

There is a difference between taking a paycut to make your team competitive and to take a paycut for the good of the team. A
Not in this case. In this case, Dirk's sacrifice clearly benefits the good of the team and makes them competitive. Cuban, the franchise, the team, the city benefits from his single act.

Hell, even without winning a ring, taking the paycut allows them to bring in another star, which brings more economic benefits into the franchise and city as well. So yea, it's not all for himself. Everyone there benefits.

[creepingdeath]

For the good of the franchise? He's doing it to win, that's what's more important.

Let's for example say, if Dirk was stuck in Dallas with a max deal but they had financial problems, you think he would have taken a paycut for the good of his beloved franchise? There is a difference between taking a paycut to make your team competitive and to take a paycut for the good of the team. Another example would be if Cuban asked Dirk to take a paycut so they can rebuild, I don't really think that would interest Dirk.
Keeping the team competetive IS doing something for the good of the team. And regarding rebuilding: that's exactly what Dirk is helping the Mavs do by taking a paycut. Or do you honestly believe that Nowitzki has absolute faith that they will end up with both CP3 and Howard? Because, according to your logic, he must be thinking that, should he decide to accept a smaller paycheck.

[Nash]

Not in this case. In this case, Dirk's sacrifice clearly benefits the good of the team and makes them competitive. Cuban, the franchise, the team, the city benefits from his single act.

Hell, even without winning a ring, taking the paycut allows them to bring in another star, which brings more economic benefits into the franchise and city as well. So yea, it's not all for himself. Everyone there benefits.
So answer me this question then, would Dirk be interested in taking a paycut for the good of the franchise if Cuban said that instead of bringing new quality players, they'd go in rebuilding mode instead? You think Dirk would take a paycut for that purpose? I mean after all, it's still for the good of the franchise.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Why are people trying to argue with this retard?

[ripthekik]

So would Dirk be okay with going to another team so that Cuban and the Mavs can afford more good players to win a championship without him?

I mean, if he loves the Mavs franchise so much, he would be willing to go somewhere else so that Cuban and the city of Dallas can win a championship.

Not possible while he is still an active player because of conflict of interests. You can't play somewhere and hope another team to win.

Maybe when he retires, he'll do things in the franchise that'll help them win rings as well.

Seriously, there is almost no star that will do this in the league today, give the man his props and move on. It IS an act to be applauded.

[NBAller]

Why are people trying to argue with this retard?

no idea.

[ripthekik]

So answer me this question then, would Dirk be interested in taking a paycut for the good of the franchise if Cuban said that instead of bringing new quality players, they'd go in rebuilding mode instead? You think Dirk would take a paycut for that purpose? I mean after all, it's still for the good of the franchise.
No because then it wouldn't be for the good of the franchise. How is going into rebuilding mode good for the franchise? Get no new stars, have a losing season.. when they have the option of improving the team right now. And especially when the team has Dirk and can still compete? Use your head :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

Bolt after rookie contracts?

Who has done that?

Who has left the big first deal on the table to wait a year and walk?

Eric gordon who went to a worse team in a smaller town?

Nobody leaves after the rookie deal. All these guys stay at least 7 or 8 years.

[Doctor Rivers]

Would you hate an all time great for leaving Charlotte if it meant going to a big market city primed to compete for championships year in year out?

This has already been debunked plenty of times:

http://www.journalnow.com/archives/article_e7a4ddee-ed8d-5be1-9b81-723b924628ec.html

Educate yourself

[Michael_Wilbon]

Rose's contract is irrelevant. His contract was a product of the new CBA.

But market value =/= pay cut.

He saves at least 200,000 a year in taxes just in the regular season. Did he leave salary money on the table in Cleveland? Yes...but that's not taking a pay cut, that's him taking less than he's worth in terms of NBA salary.

With his income tax benefits from living in Miami and endorsement deals from living in a major market, Lebron is making more money now than he did when he was in Cleveland. How can you take a pay cut when you're making more money?

If he could have gotten a larger contract from Miami (which he could have because they would have told someone else to GTFO if he wanted the max they could have given him) yet he decided to take less then he took a pay cut.

[Solefade]

Why are people trying to argue with this retard?


This whole thing is hilarious because ripthekik refuses to acknowledge that he has an agenda.

[bdreason]

"MJ, Magic, and Bird would never take a paycut to team up with each other"


^^^


Typical response when the Heat teamed up... but when Dirk does it, it's "noble"? :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

This whole thing is hilarious because ripthekik refuses to acknowledge that he has an agenda.
This thread is about Dirk, and I've talked about him all thread long. It's funny when people trying to argue with me are the people with true agenda. :lol

[Pointguard]

he is that dude

http://epidemikcoalition.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dirk_is_that_dude_655.jpg

Wow, he is noble. He is the dude that will take his Finals MVP trophy on a prison tour with a shirt bragging about how free he is and showing he even got chicks to carry his team logo. They probably all got life sentences. :lol

[HoopsFanNumero1]

This thread is about Dirk, and I've talked about him all thread long. It's funny when people trying to argue with me are the people with true agenda. :lol

It's because you've stated before that you dream about Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. So naturally people will assume you have an agenda.

[Solefade]

This thread is about Dirk, and I've talked about him all thread long. It's funny when people trying to argue with me are the people with true agenda. :lol


Don't act dumb, you're not tricking anyone neither. You constantly use the same material about how LeBron is "ring chasing" in every single goddamn thread. GTFO :crazysam:

[ripthekik]

:lol
you guys can keep being insecure. I'm not the one bringing up lebron.. maybe you guys should think about why you do :oldlol:

Dirk is one of the most respectable players in the league now and that's why I made this thread.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

:applause:

this guy definitely earned it.
he is that dude

http://epidemikcoalition.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/dirk_is_that_dude_655.jpg

Is he at a concentration camp?

[Kblaze8855]

Anyone else remember John Calipari saying he wanted Kobe at 10 to the Nets and Kobes agent told him Kobe wouldnt play that...that he would sign in Italy first...all because Jerry West fell in love with him in the workout and they wanted LA instead of the Nets?

Between that whole draft thing...how ever it is he ended up where he wanted to go and not the places less desirable...

And the whole.....flat out demanding to be traded, telling fans on camera phones he was done, telling radio he wanted out, and their GM admitting to shopping him and not getting offers he felt were fair(He said he told teams that he wanted their 4 best players to start).....

Kobe really doesnt belong in the loyalty discussion.

Dirk? Fine.

You cant...somehow work your way onto a team you want...and demand out because you arent contending afger already winning 3 rings...and be loyal.

The only reason Kobe is still a Laker is the Bulls not being able to work out a deal for him that kept Deng on the Bulls which Kobe wanted after he ate up the Heat in the playoffs.

Not loyalty.

Its the Lakers not getting a good enough deal.

If the Cavs offered Lebron he would have been gone. Except that he probably wouldnt have waived his no trade clause to go to Cleveland....

For the right deal...Kobe was gone. I dont need posters opinions. I have his words. And GMs.

He demanded out and it didnt happen. But the asking alone takes you out of the Dirk/Reggie/Duncan category.

[ripthekik]

Anyone else remember John Calipari saying he wanted Kobe at 10 to the Nets and Kobes agent told him Kobe wouldnt play that...that he would sign in Italy first...all because Jerry West fell in love with him in the workout and they wanted LA instead of the Nets?

Between that whole draft thing...how ever it is he ended up where he wanted to go and not the places less desirable...

And the whole.....flat out demanding to be traded, telling fans on camera phones he was done, telling radio he wanted out, and their GM admitting to shopping him and not getting offers he felt were fair(He said he told teams that he wanted their 4 best players to start).....

Kobe really doesnt belong in the loyalty discussion.

Dirk? Fine.

You cant...somehow work your way onto a team you want...and demand out because you arent contending afger already winning 3 rings...and be loyal.

The only reason Kobe is still a Laker is the Bulls not being able to work out a deal for him that kept Deng on the Bulls which Kobe wanted after he ate up the Heat in the playoffs.

Not loyalty.

Its the Lakers not getting a good enough deal.

If the Cavs offered Lebron he would have been gone. Except that he probably wouldnt have waived his no trade clause to go to Cleveland....

For the right deal...Kobe was gone. I dont need posters opinions. I have his words. And GMs.

He demanded out and it didnt happen. But the asking alone takes you out of the Dirk/Reggie/Duncan category.
It either happened or it didn't. All of the above is your opinion as well. Based on facts of what did or did not happen, he is one of the few stars that played for one franchise his entire career. The only other guys I can list are those guys. Deal with it however you want to.

[Rose'sACL]

Anyone else remember John Calipari saying he wanted Kobe at 10 to the Nets and Kobes agent told him Kobe wouldnt play that...that he would sign in Italy first...all because Jerry West fell in love with him in the workout and they wanted LA instead of the Nets?

Between that whole draft thing...how ever it is he ended up where he wanted to go and not the places less desirable...

And the whole.....flat out demanding to be traded, telling fans on camera phones he was done, telling radio he wanted out, and their GM admitting to shopping him and not getting offers he felt were fair(He said he told teams that he wanted their 4 best players to start).....

Kobe really doesnt belong in the loyalty discussion.

Dirk? Fine.

You cant...somehow work your way onto a team you want...and demand out because you arent contending afger already winning 3 rings...and be loyal.

The only reason Kobe is still a Laker is the Bulls not being able to work out a deal for him that kept Deng on the Bulls which Kobe wanted after he ate up the Heat in the playoffs.

Not loyalty.

Its the Lakers not getting a good enough deal.

If the Cavs offered Lebron he would have been gone. Except that he probably wouldnt have waived his no trade clause to go to Cleveland....

For the right deal...Kobe was gone. I dont need posters opinions. I have his words. And GMs.

He demanded out and it didnt happen. But the asking alone takes you out of the Dirk/Reggie/Duncan category.
well put.

[Doctor Rivers]

Anyone else remember

no

[tazb]

Kobe loyal to his team? He left the team that drafted him before the first ****ing game lmao. Ring chasing before his 20's.

[Pointguard]

Is he at a concentration camp?

Nobility March Row -To the left of death row concentration camp. Ain't no place for a Finals MVP but a man gotta do, what a man gotta do. And wear the T shirt to match the deed.

[Kblaze8855]

Did or did not happen might work for people 60 years from now. Not people who spent months listening to clips on him demanding to be traded.

It was too recent. It is not my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li52iOIFA6M

Its that.

Its Kobe saying it.

How it worked out is a whole other issue.

You ask for an annulment and somehow the judge doesnt allow it...you dont get to claim loyalty.

Kid asks for a cookie before bed...you say no...hes not learning to eat right. Hes not getting his way.

This is not complicated.

You demand to be traded loyalty is out the window.

[ripthekik]

Nobility March Row -To the left of death row concentration camp. Ain't no place for a Finals MVP but a man gotta do, what a man gotta do. And wear the T shirt to match the deed.
Source?

If what you're saying is true, then more props to him. Those men on dead row have nothing else to see and live for, yet they get the opportunity to see an NBA Championship and his trophy :applause:
Must've made a lot of dreams come true that day. Dirk :applause:

[ripthekik]

blahblahblah
One simple question. Did he leave or did he not leave?
Save your time with all those long paragraphs and sentences. Just one word answer would do.

[Rondo]

It is still ring chasing no matter which way you slice it.

Hardly.

Taking a hit financially so his team is better on the court is a nice touch from a class act.

Judas Shuttlesworth is a ring chaser.

[Legends66NBA7]

How much of this do we see these days?

Pretty sure KG and Pierce took pay cuts.

The Big 3 in Miami all took pay cuts to fit more pieces for the team.

[Kblaze8855]

One simple question. Did he leave or did he not leave?
Save your time with all those long paragraphs and sentences. Just one word answer would do.




For someone interested in sweeping the truth under the rug it will. It happened. We all remember it. Pretend it didnt if you cant fit that into your bullshit topics all on the same subject.

But it happened.

[ripthekik]

For someone interested in sweeping the truth under the rug it will. It happened. We all remember it. Pretend it didnt if you cant fit that into your bullshit topics all on the same subject.

But it happened.
All I asked was for a one word answer, yet you still couldn't give me that.

Is the following statement:

-Kobe Bryant only played for one franchise his entire career, just like Duncan, Pierce, Wade, Duncan.

True? It is. Factually.
Call it whatever you want, the truth is the truth. The only answer to the above is True, no matter how you want to deny it.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

All I asked was for a one word answer, yet you still couldn't give me that.

Is the following statement:

-Kobe Bryant only played for one franchise his entire career, just like Duncan, Pierce, Wade, Duncan.

True? It is. Factually.
Call it whatever you want, the truth is the truth. The only answer to the above is True, no matter how you want to deny it.
Out of that bunch Kobe is the only one to demand a trade :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

Out of that bunch Kobe is the only one to demand a trade :oldlol:

No.

Pierce in 2007:

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/paul-pierce-wants-out-931964/

[QUOTE]Damn Right!!

As much as Boston Celtics general manager Danny Ainge wanted a bigger return for Al Jefferson and the No. 5 pick in the flat-lined, four-team blockbuster trade proposal that died on Monday, little was done for the franchise's trampled image when Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal turned out to be one more star privately disclosing disdain over the prospects of playing for the Celtics.

First, it was Phoenix's Shawn Marion insisting that he didn't want to go to Boston.

Then it was Minnesota's Kevin Garnett. And now it's O'Neal.

Here's the problem for Ainge: According to a league executive, Paul Pierce has finally told team management that unless the Celtics come out of this week with a talented veteran co-star for him, they should expect him to make a public declaration soon after Thursday's draft that he wants a trade.

"Danny is under tremendous pressure, from inside and outside, to get a deal for someone done this week," one league executive said.

As hard as the Celtics, Pacers, Timberwolves and Lakers worked on the collapsed deal that would've sent Kevin Garnett to Los Angeles, Boston and Indiana couldn't come to terms with what they were to receive. The Pacers were uncomfortable with Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom without minimally the Lakers' pick at 19, just as the Celtics believed they had to get more back for sending Jefferson, the emerging forward, and the fifth pick to Minnesota.

There was some belief that Pierce was going to demand a trade upon his return from a wrist injury during the regular season, when the bottom fell out of Boston's season with 17 straight losses. He didn't do it.

Ainge and Doc Rivers traveled to Phoenix on Monday night for a shared workout with the Suns that included Florida's Joakim Noah and Corey Brewer and Georgetown's Jeff Green on Tuesday. If Ainge has to pick one of those players

[Kblaze8855]

Qualifiers are for people seeking to remove bothersome obstacles to making a point. Which is why ESPN does its "Since ____" when talking about Lebron "records" owned by Oscar robertson, Kevin Love "records" owned by half the 60s, and why you want to minimize information

Every single time Kobes loyalty comes up its going to be mentioned...until the people talking about it dont remember this era.

Just how it is.

**** outta here with your games.

Lie about motivations for these topics/what you are clearly getting at for 5000 posts in a row all you like.

Kobe demanded to be traded when his team was down and millions of people heard him do it.

[ripthekik]

Qualifiers are for people seeking to remove bothersome obstacles to making a point. Which is why ESPN does its "Since ____" when talking about Lebron "records" owned by Oscar robertson, Kevin Love "records" owned by half the 60s, and why you want to minimize information

Every single time Kobes loyalty comes up its going to be mentioned...until the people talking about it dont remember this era.

Just how it is.

**** outta here with your games.

Lie about motivations for these topics/what you are clearly getting at for 5000 posts in a row all you like.

Kobe demanded to be traded when his team was down and millions of people heard him do it.
Wow.. and aren't you the guy that said Lebron winning rings will be all that will be said and remembered.. that nobody will bring up his failures or teaming up..

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Come on kblaze.. now it doesn't fit your agenda.. then people will remember and talk about all the details. But when it comes to Lebron.. all people will remember are his rings?

:rolleyes:
get the f out of here with this shiit.
The only one putting qualifiers is you, using "asking for trades" to distinguish him from that group. What a damn hypocrite you are. You said the opposite for lebron, and now this for kobe :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

As I said...when people dont remember it....then it wont come up. In time only positives matter.

People caring about nothing but winning isnt the future. Its now. You have seen the last year. You have not been making 50 Lebron topics a month because the public is down on him. He finally won and you have been trying to diminish it because of the positive reaction to it.

If people still cared about the decision...you wouldnt have to.

Lebron has been one of the most roundly praised athletes since he won. Probably #1.

My thoughts on what winning would do for the perception of his game have already been proven right.

You arent very good at making your point. I wonder how that is when you get so much practice on the same subject. Though I guess Pauk is the same. Been talking Lebron 10 thousand posts and still uses APG to suggest hes a better passer than Bird as if the flaw in that argument isnt explained time and time again.

Id figure you types would get better not worse....but you get more obsessive and care even less about making sense.

[ripthekik]

Look, just admit you are a hypocrite. A big fan of Lebron, and hater of Kobe, and move on. Maybe nobody else will notice, but you and me, we've read each other's posts.

The exact same shiit you spewed for lebron, you turned it around when using it against Kobe. But really.. if people won't remember Lebron's failure, what makes you think they'll remember Kobe "demanded a trade"? :oldlol:

Stop making a fool of yourself.. there is only one fact that will remain in NBA history.. that Kobe has only played for one franchise.

You're the one that lost your step this time kblaze.. would you not admit your hypocritical posts? You're just unwilling to face the truth..

and on Lebron.. hahaha.. please.. I haven't had to make a thread or statement for a while.. everyone here remembers him teaming up or failing in 2011.. look up any thread..and none of them posted by me.. kblaze.. you've failed miserably..

[Kblaze8855]

Anyway....I just got this PM because a closed a topic on Kobe never being the Lakers MVP(....):


Why are you closed my thread? I'm just telling people the truth, Kobe was never needed that much, he just played with great teammates which never missed him like he missed them. He is just an overrated chucker who brings almost nothing to his team.


What the ****........

I think im doing away with every Kobe/Lebron hating topic for the rest of the day. Including the slightly undercover ones by people with a history making it clear what the yare getting at.

[Legends66NBA7]

Look, just admit you are a hypocrite. A big fan of Lebron, and hater of Kobe, and move on.

So rip, want to explain the post above you ?

And don't you think it's admirable that Garnett, James, and Bosh all took pay cuts too ?

[MetsPackers]

This kid is the ultimate clown. Praises Dirk for taking a paycut to bring other stars to his team so he can compete for rings, then in the next post trashes the Heat, who did what? Took paycuts to play with other stars to win rings. But that irony is so transparent that this kid is either a troll and not serious in any way, or should seriously be evaluated for aspergers. I'd put my money on the latter.

Goddamn socially awkward asian kids ruining the forum with their dyckriding :facepalm I swear someone needs to get this kid a 2 gallon tub of lube and a plane ticket to Miami, kid needs to get some frustration pounded out of him after the decision :roll:

[MetsPackers]

Anyway....I just got this PM because a closed a topic on Kobe never being the Lakers MVP(....):




What the ****........

I think im doing away with every Kobe/Lebron hating topic for the rest of the day. Including the slightly undercover ones by people with a history making it clear what the yare getting at.

:applause: Pleeeeease do, it's been so bad lately that i've seen numerous good posters say they were going to stop visiting. If every single Kobe/Lebron agenda thread was deleted on the spot for like a week, I swear it would set much better precedent than we have now.

Like, the threads are stupid as fvck and everyone hates the OPs, but what is discouraging them from continuing? I saw some poster start this great thread about the early 90's the other day, got 2 replys. Kengriff starts some retarded Lebron bashing thread and gets 150 replies and all the attention he wants.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Look, just admit you are a hypocrite. A big fan of Lebron, and hater of Kobe, and move on. Maybe nobody else will notice, but you and me, we've read each other's posts.

The exact same shiit you spewed for lebron, you turned it around when using it against Kobe. But really.. if people won't remember Lebron's failure, what makes you think they'll remember Kobe "demanded a trade"? :oldlol:

Stop making a fool of yourself.. there is only one fact that will remain in NBA history.. that Kobe has only played for one franchise.

You're the one that lost your step this time kblaze.. would you not admit your hypocritical posts? You're just unwilling to face the truth..

and on Lebron.. hahaha.. please.. I haven't had to make a thread or statement for a while.. everyone here remembers him teaming up or failing in 2011.. look up any thread..and none of them posted by me.. kblaze.. you've failed miserably..

STFU, you bitch made punk.

[Ancient Legend]

Where was this Dirk requesting paycuts when he was younger? Sun setting on you old man? :oldlol:

On the other hand, I hate Dirk's softness, but he did earn that ring, by mowing down Kobe, Durant and Lebron/Wade. That was an epic run he had.