The Knicks are the only Big Market Franchise that has never had a "Mega Star"

[shady6121]

Every big market team besides the Knicks have had a "Mega Star".

Lakers: Magic Johnson, Kareem, Shaq, Chamberlain, West, Kobe etc.
Celtics: Larry Bird, Bill Russell
Bulls: Michael Jordan
Heat: Dwyane Wade, Shaq, LeBron
Nets: Julius Erving during the ABA days.
Knicks: Absolutely no one that could be considered a "Mega Star".

Kind of goes to show how shitty of a franchise the Knicks have been for several decades now. :lol

Edit: Forgot to include the Clippers, but they're the epitome of shitty so there's no point in even mentioning them. :lol

[IncarceratedBob]

Pat Ewing would be the 2nd best player in today's game

[shady6121]

Pat Ewing would be the 2nd best player in today's game

Agreed, but he wasn't really considered a "Mega Star" back in the era he played in.

[OldSkoolball#52]

Carmelo makes hockey assists tho :confusedshrug:

[shady6121]

Carmelo makes hockey assists tho :confusedshrug:

:lol

[sportjames23]

Agreed, but he wasn't really considered a "Mega Star" back in the era he played in.


Um, yeah he was. You kids must not have been around back in the 80s & 90s, but Ewing was a mega star. Not on the level of MJ, Bird or Magic, but he was on that second tier with Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Dominique, Olajuwon, and Robinson.

[shady6121]

Um, yeah he was. You kids must not have been around back in the 80s & 90s, but Ewing was a mega star. Not on the level of MJ, Bird or Magic, but he was on that second tier with Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Dominique, Olajuwon, and Robinson.

I know he was big, but what I mean by "Mega Star" is a player of MJ/Magic/Bird's caliber etc. It's actually kind of weird that the Knicks have never had a player of that caliber considering that they're located in the biggest market in the NBA.

[L.Kizzle]

Ewing was a mega star. Those famed Dream Team photo's from back in the day feature 5 players. Jordan, Magic, Barkley, Malone and who else, Patrick Ewing.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1991/0218_large.jpg

He was voted a starter on the All-Star team his rookie season (though he was injured) ... who does that? Not even LeBron.

Mid-late 80s to early-mid 90s only Magic, Bird, Jordan, Thomas (older Kareem I guess) were more famous than him. He was right there with Barkley until he joined the Suns. He was more known than Stockton and Malone, Olajuwon, Wilkins, Robinson, Worthy, ect.

And Walt Frazier was a mega star also.

[305Baller]

man u need to stop:facepalm

this.

[Droid101]

Pat Ewing would be the 2nd best player in today's game
No, not even a little bit.

And Miami doesn't count as a "big market" if we're talking about households.

Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Boston. The End.

If you want to drop to Miami's Level, then you have to include Orlando, Golden State, Dallas, Houston, and a host of others.

[SamuraiSWISH]

In the 70's they had Walt Frazier, Earl the Pearl Monroe, and Willis Reed ... all well known stars. This was also before the NBA was a global hype machine. So yes, they have had mega stars. Walt Frazier was at a time the coolest, most swagged out player / superstar. And Earl Monroe was known as a street game legend.

[Collie]

I'm guessing by mega star, you mean someone who either transcended the game or was a top 3 player for an extended period.

Well, probably true then. I love Patrick, but he was never a top 3 player in the NBA. Closest was probably 94, but he was behind Hakeem, Pip and David Robinson then.

[nathanjizzle]

u forgot derrick rose for the bulls. :biggums:

[shady6121]

I'm guessing by mega star, you mean someone who either transcended the game or was a top 3 player for an extended period.

Well, probably true then. I love Patrick, but he was never a top 3 player in the NBA. Closest was probably 94, but he was behind Hakeem, Pip and David Robinson then.

This.

[SyRyanYang]

u forgot derrick rose for the bulls. :biggums:
:wtf:

[Patrick Chewing]

Agreed, but he wasn't really considered a "Mega Star" back in the era he played in.


You ****tard. He was a Top 50 Greatest player.

[shady6121]

u forgot derrick rose for the bulls. :biggums:

Rose isn't shit. :lol :roll:

[shady6121]

You ****tard. He was a Top 50 Greatest player.

Stay mad f*ggot. :lol

[Sarcastic]

Proves that market size doesn't mean anything, when it comes to getting stars. The draft is all that matters.

[novocaine]

...Ewing was the only player i knew when i was a kid...well and Jordan

growing up in a small village in Germany with no NBA coverage.....does that make him a mega-star?

[Legends66NBA7]

Thread trend is very similar to this one:

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154863

[shady6121]

Proves that market size doesn't mean anything, when it comes to getting stars. The draft is all that matters.

Agreed, but free agency is important also.

[shady6121]

Thread trend is very similar to this one:

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154863

:eek:

[Legends66NBA7]

The draft is all that matters.

And a big payroll to get those free agents.

[spacebump]

No, not even a little bit.

And Miami doesn't count as a "big market" if we're talking about households.

Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Boston. The End.

If you want to drop to Miami's Level, then you have to include Orlando, Golden State, Dallas, Houston, and a host of others.

You should know Dallas, Philly, and the Bay Area are bigger markets than Boston.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

[shady6121]

You should know Dallas, Philly, and the Bay Area are bigger markets than Boston. Fact check next time before ending a post with "The End." :applause:

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

:applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

You should know Dallas, Philly, and the Bay Area are bigger markets than Boston. Fact check next time before ending a post with "The End." :applause:

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

Good link and your right on.

Toronto is also a big market, infact now bigger than Chicago too.

[Droid101]

You should know Dallas, Philly, and the Bay Area are bigger markets than Boston.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
Thank you for helping prove my point further.

[Legends66NBA7]

Thank you for helping prove my point further.

So, why is Toronto not a big market to you ?

[Sarcastic]

Agreed, but free agency is important also.


Of all the guys you listed, only Lebron and Shaq left their teams in free agency in their prime.


Free agency is great for adding sidekicks, and additional pieces, but it's almost impossible to get the true franchise players from it.

[bdreason]

If Ewing had managed a championship or two he would have been considered a superstar.

[Sarcastic]

If Ewing had managed a championship or two he would have been considered a superstar.


They couldn't get any big time free agents to join him in NY. All they could muster was John Starks and Charles Smith. :facepalm

[bdreason]

They couldn't get any big time free agents to join him in NY. All they could muster was John Starks and Charles Smith. :facepalm


Plenty of great players without titles. Ewing was on of the best players to ever play the game, no doubt.

One of my favorite old school videos is the 1984 Olympic team (College) vs. NBA All-Stars... and Jordan and Ewing taking it to guys like Magic and Isiah. :bowdown:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=931mm8MCNhM

[DuMa]

I have to agree. The closest they ever got was 2010.

http://blog.cakepoker.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/5/lebron-james-knicks-bound.jpg

[Sarcastic]

I have to agree. The closest they ever got was 2010.

http://blog.cakepoker.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/5/lebron-james-knicks-bound.jpg


Further proving my point.

[shady6121]

I have to agree. The closest they ever got was 2010.

http://blog.cakepoker.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/5/lebron-james-knicks-bound.jpg

:lol

[TheFan]

Define "Megastar"...

Because.

Patrick Ewing...
Carmelo Anthony...
Amare Stoudemire..

Also I remember Marbury was highly rated back in the day... Wasn't he considered the best offensive PG in the league or something?

[Bandito]

Every big market team besides the Knicks have had a "Mega Star".

Lakers: Magic Johnson, Kareem, Shaq, Chamberlain, West, Kobe etc.
Celtics: Larry Bird, Bill Russell
Bulls: Michael Jordan
Heat: Dwyane Wade, Shaq, LeBron
Nets: Julius Erving during the ABA days.
Knicks: Absolutely no one that could be considered a "Mega Star".

Kind of goes to show how shitty of a franchise the Knicks have been for several decades now. :lol

Edit: Forgot to include the Clippers, but they're the epitome of shitty so there's no point in even mentioning them. :lol
even the clippers had Paul:lol

[DetroitPistonFan]

Knicks already have a mega star. They have Jason Kidd! Well, the old version.:lol

[SpecialQue]

Ewing was a mega star. Those famed Dream Team photo's from back in the day feature 5 players. Jordan, Magic, Barkley, Malone and who else, Patrick Ewing.

He was voted a starter on the All-Star team his rookie season (though he was injured) ... who does that? Not even LeBron.


http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/blake-griffin-cussing-mother-f-ing-bitch.gif

[Droid101]

So, why is Toronto not a big market to you ?
It is! It's bigger than Miami. That's what I'm saying.

[B-Low]

I love how the OP completely ignores every time Walt Frazier was brought up. Probably one of those all too common teenage posters that has to google him to even know he played for the Knicks.

"Oh that Just For Men dude from the commercials? I didnt know he balled"

If f'n D-Wade is a megastar then Walt is easily one too

[chosen_wun]

Reed, Frazier, Ewing. These guys were megastars in the respective eras.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Ewing was a star, like Carmelo Anthony is.

But he was not a Mega Star, like LeBron is.

[ralph_i_el]

Ewing was on the Dream Team and the Monstars

/case closed

[spacebump]

Ewing was on the Dream Team and the Monstars

/case closed

The MonStars got beat by a team of 1 NBA player (Jordan, the best every) and a bunch of animals that couldn't make an NBA roster.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Knicks also are the only big market team that has zero title since NBA-ABA merger.

Dont bring up the nets, they aint a big market team until moving to Brooklyn this year.

[Sarcastic]

The Knicks also are the only big market team that has zero title since NBA-ABA merger.

Dont bring up the nets, they aint a big market team until moving to Brooklyn this year.


NJ is the same market as NY. It's called the Tri-State area, or NY Metro Area.

[IncarceratedBob]

The Knicks also are the only big market team that has zero title since NBA-ABA merger.

Dont bring up the nets, they aint a big market team until moving to Brooklyn this year.
Clippers

[TheFan]

The MonStars got beat by a team of 1 NBA player (Jordan, the best every) and a bunch of animals that couldn't make an NBA roster.

looney toons juiced during half time...

look at that jaw
http://caws.ws/svr2006/pics/bugs_bunny.jpg

[Kiddlovesnets]

Clippers

The fact that you are in a big market city does not make you a big market franchise, especially when there's already one much more superior team getting all the loves and attentions.

[Alamо]

What about Steve Novak and JR Smith?

[Sarcastic]

The fact that you are in a big market city does not make you a big market franchise, especially when there's already one much more superior team getting all the loves and attentions.


:facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

:facepalm

So you consider the Clippers are a big market franchise when their tickets barely sell until CP3 arrives?
:rolleyes:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Everyone wants to play in the Garden but no one really wants to long term. Besides the media scrutiny is the probably the worst of any city. Many stars don't want that all the time.

[kentatm]

Agreed, but he wasn't really considered a "Mega Star" back in the era he played in.

:biggums:

[Legends66NBA7]

It is! It's bigger than Miami. That's what I'm saying.

Well, you said in your OP "Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Boston. The End." as big markets if we're talking about households. So I thought you were mentioning otherwise, but yeah I agree their all bigger than Miami.

[305Baller]

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Games/M/Mega%20Man%209/Everything%20Else/Raw/rock1--article_image.jpg

Mega?

[MavsSuperFan]

u forgot derrick rose for the bulls. :biggums:

we are not talking about wheelchair basketball

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm sure it has already been pointed out, but Miami is not a "big market" team. Nielsen designates market size on a formula called Designated Market Areas (DMAs), which takes into account many factors.

Here's how NBA cities rank according to Nielsen...

http://i40.tinypic.com/i6a3w6.png

[Sarcastic]

So you consider the Clippers are a big market franchise when their tickets barely sell until CP3 arrives?
:rolleyes:


Of course they are a big market franchise. Just because they have competition, does not mean they are not in a big market.

No one goes to see the NY Mets, but they are still a big market franchise.

[Sarcastic]

Everyone wants to play in the Garden but no one really wants to long term. Besides the media scrutiny is the probably the worst of any city. Many stars don't want that all the time.


It's a tradeoff. If a star goes to NY and wins, he'll be the biggest star there since Babe Ruth.

If LeBron won a title in NY instead of Miami, it would give him a stronger case for GOAT. Winning on Wade's team will always be a knock on his record.

[secund2nun]

Patrick Ewing may have not had mega star hype but he was better than Wade and Kobe. He was overshadowed in a league with better and more numerous super stars.

[Seal Beach Jay]

I love how the OP completely ignores every time Walt Frazier was brought up. Probably one of those all too common teenage posters that has to google him to even know he played for the Knicks.

"Oh that Just For Men dude from the commercials? I didnt know he balled"

If f'n D-Wade is a megastar then Walt is easily one too

So is Willis Reed and Patrick Ewing. But hey, don't talk history to some of the kids these days. If they didn't play before the explosion of 24 hour ESPN coverage, they weren't stars.