No team will EVER win a championship with Carmelo Anthony

[atljonesbro]

It's just a fact of life. He's a low IQ chucker and a black hole to every offense in the NBA. The only teams he fits in well on are bad teams with no offense that will suck anyways.

[MetsPackers]

The sad thing is I agree with that statement. He's not a black hole and he could probably win a championship with a superior 1st option big man, but with the money and touches he demands that could never happen and he'll never be able to singlehandedly lead a team to a title. Knicks should have waited for a better superstar to come along instead of jumping on Melo to be "good" now

[bluechox2]

The sad thing is I agree with that statement. He's not a black hole and he could probably win a championship with a superior 1st option big man, but with the money and touches he demands that could never happen and he'll never be able to singlehandedly lead a team to a title. Knicks should have waited for a better superstar to come along instead of jumping on Melo to be "good" now
hes the best we will get for this 5 year span

hoping we can land irving in 2 years when we empty the books in a year

[JimmyMcAdocious]

False.

He will end up being 35 ring chasing on Andrew Wiggins team as a 6th man and they will win a ring.

[tpols]

Only way is if one of his teams got hot 11 Mavs style and even then it's shaky.

Melo can't drive or finish against legit defenses. Every team he's ever been on has followed his jumpshooting style and that never wins.

[1987_Lakers]

This generations Dominique Wilkins. They are basically the same player. Carmelo has a better jumper, Wilkins was more athletic, both were one dimensional scoring machines who didn't have much success in the playoffs.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

everyone should keep in mind that only 1 team wins the championship every year so there can be a bunch of threads about how so and so can never win a championship

[Real Men Wear Green]

NY's biggest problem isn't Melo, it's that STAT's contract is dead money. They need a coach that can/will force Melo to pass and play better D (may be possible) and a way to turn STAT's contract into something productive (may not be possible). As much dead money as STAT's deal is they may have to blow the team up if they're completely focused on rings but if they are ok with winning a series or two they can keep the current roster with little tweaks here and there for another five years. Just don't talk about contention.

[Dagouch]

everyone should keep in mind that only 1 team wins the championship every year so there can be a bunch of threads about how so and so can never win a championship

This

[Horde of Temujin]

Ya, he'll never win anything. At least he has a consolation prize of a lifetime supply of honeynut cheerios.

[Noyze]

The weird thing about Melo, he's got Clyde Drexler syndrome or something. He puts his head down before every drive to the basket and jumpshot. He didn't use to do this, if you watch his HS tapes and college he kept his head up. Now it's tunnel vision.

[bdreason]

People said the same shit about Dirk a couple years back.

It's a team game, and Melo ends up on the right team, he can win a chip.

[jimmy77x]

This has "A dirk led team will never win a championship" written all over it.

[D-Wade316]

Only that Dirk is something Marshmelo will never be even before '11.

[Lebron23]

Melo is only 28 yrs.old. He might win an NBA title someday as a 2nd scoring option. The Knicks needs to trade Amare, or amnesty him.

[TonyMontana]

I hate the Knicks more than any team in any sport.

butttttttt......they had a good thing going at some point, it just came apart because of a number of reasons.

-JR Smith becoming a distraction and letting it effect his play.
-Tyson Chandler reverting back to Bobcats Tyson that was thrown around from team to team.
-Amare coming back. Guy is just trash.

Melo was pretty much forced to chuck shots since their only other consistant threat(JR) was playing like dogshit because of his partying and other hoodrat bullshit.

They are built similar to the Mavs that beat Miami, so i think the GM is doing a good job.

[Sharmer]

It's just a fact of life. He's a low IQ chucker and a black hole to every offense in the NBA. The only teams he fits in well on are bad teams with no offense that will suck anyways.

no say......

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[Jacks3]

And Kobe will never win because he's selfish and doesn't make his teammates better...

And LeBron will never win because he's too ball-dominant and is a choker...

And Dirk will never because he's soft...

blah blah blah


I don't think Anthony is good enough to be a #1, but you'd think people would stop dealing in absolutes after whats gone the past couple of years..

[Nero Tulip]

Dirk was a contender pretty much every year for a decade, and a top player in the league.

Melo is a complete joke. Except for a few retards no one thinks he's a great player.

[Harison]

This has "A dirk led team will never win a championship" written all over it.

Pretty much.


Dirk was a contender pretty much every year for a decade, and a top player in the league.

Melo is a complete joke. Except for a few retards no one thinks he's a great player.

Dirk played on a contending team pretty much every year for a decade.

Fixed it for you. And while Melo isnt as great as the German, he definitely can win with the right cast and coaching. Both of them have similarities too - hardly play any defense, but when they get hot - nobody can stop them. At the end of RS Melo was tearing NBA apart.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty much.



Dirk played on a contending team pretty much every year for a decade.

Fixed it for you. And while Melo isnt as great as the German, he definitely can win with the right cast and coaching. Both of them have similarities too - hardly play any defense, but when they get hot - nobody can stop them. At the end of RS Melo was tearing NBA apart.

How are you defining a contending team? Certainly 03, 06, and 11 were teams capable of winning...albeit they required all time great play from Dirk to do so...certainly in 06 and 11. Of course, if you are looking at those teams from a Duncan or Hakeem or Shaq perspective...than there might be a few years in which those teams were legit contenders if they replace Dirk. But I don't think that makes much sense considering it was Dirk playing and the team was sadly often poorly built around Dirk at times.

But I'd like to know what your definition is. Because teams with Damp and Terry and Howard and Harris may be good to very good teams...but I wouldn't call them contenders year in year out along the lines of the teams winning the title each year from 02 on. Other than the 03 Spurs...I don't see one title team that didn't have more talent and better coaching...

When you have a star player putting up 26/11/3 for nearly a decade in the playoffs on some of the best scoring efficiency of all time for a high volume playoff scorer...it calls into question how good his teams are if those teams aren't having playoff success.

Melo is the exact opposite.

So lets get right down to this;

Dirk in the playoffs for his career 26/10/3 58.4% TS

Melo in the playoffs for his career 26/7/3 51.3% TS

So aside from Dirk blowing him out of the water as a scorer. Dirk is easier to play with and a better teammate. Dirk plays better defense. Dirk is more clutch....etc. etc. etc.

So it's actually a terrible comparison. One player is a selfish ball dominant chucker that doesn't play team ball and only impacts the game holding the ball on the wing. He's a much worse defender and to top it all off....horribly inefficient scoring the same amount....rofl

[CarlosBoozer]

I don't think he will ever win a championship as the "man" but if he goes to a talented team as a second option then he'll have a better chance

[DMAVS41]

I don't think he will ever win a championship as the "man" but if he goes to a talented team as a second option then he'll have a better chance

The problem with inefficient ball dominant wings that don't create well for other teammates is that they bring very little to the table without the ball.

So while I agree that he'd have a better chance at winning as a 2nd option, he'd likely have to improve his level of play to win....unless he just became a role player taking significantly less shots and playing the 6th man role or something.

I know that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. I still think Melo was a top 10 player this year...but it just goes to show you how hard it is to win the title as the clear cut best player on the team.

Very few players...even in the history of the game could do that. Melo simply is not one of them to date. He'd have to completely change his game to do so.

That is the difference between him and Dirk. The problem for Dirk was his team strength and what kind of team he had. With Melo...the problem is his inefficient chucking and lack of team play. Huge difference that people aren't understanding.

[CarlosBoozer]

The problem with inefficient ball dominant wings that don't create well for other teammates is that they bring very little to the table without the ball.

So while I agree that he'd have a better chance at winning as a 2nd option, he'd likely have to improve his level of play to win....unless he just became a role player taking significantly less shots and playing the 6th man role or something.

I know that sounds harsh, but it's the truth. I still think Melo was a top 10 player this year...but it just goes to show you how hard it is to win the title as the clear cut best player on the team.

Very few players...even in the history of the game could do that. Melo simply is not one of them to date. He'd have to completely change his game to do so.

That is the difference between him and Dirk. The problem for Dirk was his team strength and what kind of team he had. With Melo...the problem is his inefficient chucking and lack of team play. Huge difference that people aren't understanding.
Agreed, he just doesn't have the tools like championship proven superstars (Lebron, Kobe, Dirk ..etc) They all have different ways of approaching the game aside from scoring, in fact Dirk can just take 12 shots and still be incredibly effective in a game. Lebron and kobe can turn into defensive beasts in the clutch or rebound and assist instead of jacking up shot after shot.

Melo will really need to revamp his entire playstyle to get a ring.

[JerryWest]

Let me expand on this,
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8599660&postcount=90


More accurate counting the shots outside of the paint (no so many overlapping shots), and then subtracting to the total.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400464469

Knicks 29 shots in the paint, 17 fta
Pacers 33 shots in the paint, 33 fta


http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400464468

Knicks 31 shots in the paint, 18 fta
Pacers 32 shots in the paint, 46 fta



It's hilarious really.
stop blaming the refs you cry baby :facepalm

[Blue&Orange]

Idiot OP must think if Lebron had Felton and JR as sidekicks he wouldn't have teamed up with Bosh and Wade.

[JerryWest]

Idiot OP must think if Lebron had Felton and JR as sidekicks he wouldn't have teamed up with Bosh and Wade.
you = :cry:

[Shepseskaf]

Melo has the heart and will to win a championship. He just didn't have enough help.

The key player was Felton, who disappeared. I like Prigs, but he doesn't have Felton's ability to get into the lane.

Felton was missing too many floaters, and I think he got frustrated. Once he didn't show up big, the Knicks were done.

[BoutPractice]

Dirk is a much better player than Carmelo, I don't see any comparison at all.

Still, those threads usually backfire somehow :lol
Carmelo could win on a very stacked team, or a second option, or as a ringchaser late in his career... many things could happen.

[Crafty]

As a first option no. Unless he starts to be a all-around-no-isos player

[Smoke117]

He's just not a player that makes others around him better and his effect on defense is a negative. He's just a scorer. He isn't a complete basketball player.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Dirk made it to the Finals twice. He made it to the WCFs 3 times. (Probably would have gone to the Finals 3 times had he not gotten injured in 03).......

Melo has what? Made it to the WCFs once?

For the people that always said Dirk couldn't win.... at least he got to the dance. Melo cant even get a tux and show up......

[Human Error]

Carmelo as a first option will never bring a title home, unless you surround him with...

Prime Dikembe Mutombo
Prime Dennis Rodman
Carmelo Anthony
Prime Joe Dumars
Prime Gary Payton

Guys who could cover Carmelo's defensive deficiency and get him endless rebounds until he eventually makes a contested jumper.

[K Xerxes]

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[Akrazotile]

NY's biggest problem isn't Melo, it's that STAT's contract is dead money. They need a coach that can/will force Melo to pass and play better D (may be possible) and a way to turn STAT's contract into something productive (may not be possible). As much dead money as STAT's deal is they may have to blow the team up if they're completely focused on rings but if they are ok with winning a series or two they can keep the current roster with little tweaks here and there for another five years. Just don't talk about contention.

But melo + stat will dominate yo!!!

[Pushxx]

Crazy thing was before Melo got there, STAT and the Knicks were ballin'. Then when STAT went down the team did great with just Melo.

When they were together again...well the rest is history, and only Porzingod might save them.

[Sarcastic]

If he sticks around, Porzingis will lead him to a ring.

[SexSymbol]

13 knicks were great before injuries, legit title contender

[Gus Hemmingway]

08-10 Nuggets were STACKED


Agreed with OP, 100% spot on.

[f0und]

i used to think the same thing about antoine walker, and he's much worse.

[Showtime80']

Poor man's version of Alex English and Adrian Dantley and will be forgotten quicker than they were. Nothing more, nothing less!