Video footage of when Wilt met Shaq

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

Found this clip buried in a news report of Wilt's death - it's just a handshake, very brief, but cool!

[cos88]

and what's the point?

[Trollsmasher]

You can see how Wilt almost rips Shaq's arm of his shoulder:bowdown:

Reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIjFeWE4fE

[stanlove1111]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

Found this clip buried in a news report of Wilt's death - it's just a handshake, very brief, but cool!

I remember watching that live.

So you are dantheman9758..YOu are the guy who in defense of Wilt actually posted that Willis Reed was 6'11 and weighed 300 pounds,,:lol


You actually banned me from your videos a while ago because I challenged garbage like that.

[AlphaWolf24]

If you pause at 00:15 you can see how much bigger Wilt is then Shaq in the upper body/shoulders...( and Wilt was an old man)

Damn Wilt was a an absolute physical specimen.....prolly could average 40 - 45pts in the modern era...

[CavaliersFTW]

I remember watching that live.

So you are dantheman9758..YOu are the guy who in defense of Wilt actually posted that Willis Reed was 6'11 and weighed 300 pounds,,:lol


You actually banned me from your videos a while ago because I challenged garbage like that.
Congrats genius you figured out what did not need figuring out. And Bob Lanier was 6-11 255-300lbs (286lbs as a rookie - lost weight and regained weight several times in his career a la Charles Barkley) - Willis Reed 6-9 240-255lbs. A few years ago I remember getting their names mixed up in a post, probably one that you called me out for, as such I've probably addressed it or deleted it by now as I tend to delete my old posts where I make errors like that. You on the other hand, if your on ignore on my Youtube site it's likely because your a legitimate idiot and a troll. One of those people who constantly has nothing but negative things to say. I don't add people who correct my mistakes to ignore lists, I add trolls to them, so I have a feeling I should keep you on my insidehoops ignore list too, you were already on that before though I don't remember why, and you've only had this account since April. Not a good track record breh.

[HardwoodLegend]

Wilt probably did have that old man strength, but I wouldn't read too far into this handshake. Shaq probably underestimated him because of his age and just stuck a limp hand out there.

But, Wilt was athletic enough that he would have been a force to be reckoned with even amongst those 90's big men.

[stanlove1111]

Congrats genius you figured out what did not need figuring out. And Bob Lanier was 6-11 255-300lbs (286lbs as a rookie - lost weight and regained weight several times in his career a la Charles Barkley) - Willis Reed 6-9 240-255lbs. A few years ago I remember getting their names mixed up in a post, probably one that you called me out for, as such I've probably addressed it or deleted it by now as I tend to delete my old posts where I make errors like that. You on the other hand, if your on ignore on my Youtube site it's likely because your a legitimate idiot and a troll. One of those people who constantly has nothing but negative things to say. I don't add people who correct my mistakes to ignore lists, I add trolls to them, so I have a feeling I should keep you on my insidehoops ignore list too, you were already on that before though I don't remember why, and you've only had this account since April. Not a good track record breh.


Who said they figured anything out. I just realized it..No you said Reed was 6/11 and 300 pounds and it was laughable. But you will say anything to try and build up Wilt..I mean I bet you would be so desperate that try and make Wilt look bigger that you would actually post a video saying Wilt weighed 315..:lol Oh wait you already did that..You are the idiot just for that alone..I am guessing you probably mention his knee injury a lot when talking about 1972 Wilt to try and make everything more impressive. I am sure of it despite it being surgically repaired and not effecting him anymore..

Here it is..I watched Wilt at the time.. Very few people made these stupid 315 pounds, and knee problem arguments until Shaq came around..Then in defense of Wilt clowns like you started to exaggerate how big he was to try and make him Shaq's size and started to being up the knee injury to try and make him more athletic then the 1972 and 1973 videos show.

Again and this is what you didn't like on your video comments..IF Wilt was actually 315 :lol then Wilt was bigger then Reed by the same degree that Reed was bigger then West....Does this sound right to you?

Either everyone else who ever played was way off on their eight or Wilt didn't weigh 300....I know which you will take..

[stanlove1111]

If you pause at 00:15 you can see how much bigger Wilt is then Shaq in the upper body/shoulders...( and Wilt was an old man)

Damn Wilt was a an absolute physical specimen.....prolly could average 40 - 45pts in the modern era...


If you think Wilt was nearly as big as Shaq with all the videos and pictures through the years to prove otherwise then you need help..Its not even close..here you are taking a picture of one in his early 20s and one with street clothes on and comparing them..I think that's called cherry picking in internet terms..

[Poetry]

Damn Wilt was a an absolute physical specimen.....prolly could average 40 - 45pts in the modern era...

He's likely the only player that has the right combination of size/skill/stamina to do so efficiently.

[plowking]

If you pause at 00:15 you can see how much bigger Wilt is then Shaq in the upper body/shoulders...( and Wilt was an old man)

Damn Wilt was a an absolute physical specimen.....prolly could average 40 - 45pts in the modern era...

He got bigger in his later years. I doubt he weighed anything over 265lbs before the age of 35, from what I've read (that wasn't exaggerated). He really got big in his 40's and 50's though. I mean, he was huge in Conan, and he continued to get even bigger.

[CavaliersFTW]

He got bigger in his later years. I doubt he weighed anything over 265lbs before the age of 35, from what I've read (that wasn't exaggerated). He really got big in his 40's and 50's though. I mean, he was huge in Conan, and he continued to get even bigger.
He was 258 his rookie season ('59), 265 by 1962, 320lbs (overweight) coming into the 1963-64 season and cut weight and played at 292lbs that season. He was 290lbs during tryouts for the Kansas City Chiefs with coach Hank Stram in 1965. To attempt to assert that Wilt was no more than 265lbs "before the age of 35" is to completely ignore reasonable printed data. Heck, even his listed weight after 3 or 4 seasons changed from 250 (his rookie printed weight) to 275 (from about '63 onwards his player cards and list info all change to 275)

[Poetry]

Even early on, he looks huge.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1965/0412_mid.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/18/186202.jpg

http://media-cache-ec4.pinimg.com/192x/ba/8b/81/ba8b818e717f26af26cee4817797deb9.jpg

http://www.realclearsports.com/blognetwork/rcs_sidelines/Wilt%20Chamberlain%201967%20vs%20Celtics.jpg

[stanlove1111]

He was 258 his rookie season ('59), 265 by 1962, 320lbs (overweight) coming into the 1963-64 season and cut weight and played at 292lbs that season. He was 290lbs during tryouts for the Kansas City Chiefs with coach Hank Stram in 1965. To attempt to assert that Wilt was no more than 265lbs "before the age of 35" is to completely ignore reasonable printed data. Heck, even his listed weight after 3 or 4 seasons changed from 250 (his rookie printed weight) to 275 (from about '63 onwards his player cards and list info all change to 275)


292 in 1964 is complete rubbish..And I don't care if you can find one guy from the time who makes that silly claim. Any rational human can see just in pictures that the claim is nonsense. IF he weghed 292 in 1964 then you better raise the weigh of everyone else who ever played in the NBA by about 50 pounds.


Let me explain the whole thing to you..Wilt played at a time when basketball players didn't lift weighs and were usually skinny. So Wilt who weighed about 270 looked big compared to them. People back in the day because nobody was that big thought Wilt was huge..So they exaggerated how big he was..Same thing with his strength and athleticism..

When Shaq came along and got big he looked huge compared to everyone and he played in the day of weigh lifting body builders. he looked much bigger compared to his competition then Wilt did next to his skinny competition. So when people starting pointing out how big Shaq was, Wilt fans didn't like it. So the movement started to exaggerate his size to make it seem like he was in the same ball park as Shaq. This is where you fit in..

Now people ignore that they see with their own eyes and still make silly claims..Look at this thread.. there is a picture of a young Wilt shaking hands with a young Russell who probably weighed about 230 and they lok basically the same size, yet someone on here talked about how huge Wilt looked..

Again you see what you want to see..

And I do rank Wilt higher then Shaq as an all time player because of what he did in his era, but please stop making him a laughingstock to the younger gerneration with all of these silly exaggerations..

thanks..

[stanlove1111]

Even early on, he looks huge.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1965/0412_mid.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/18/186202.jpg

http://media-cache-ec4.pinimg.com/192x/ba/8b/81/ba8b818e717f26af26cee4817797deb9.jpg

http://www.realclearsports.com/blognetwork/rcs_sidelines/Wilt%20Chamberlain%201967%20vs%20Celtics.jpg


In the first three pictures he looks like a normal small forward in today's weight lifting era..

[CavaliersFTW]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wGrO_N4x_zM/UZuq14okwhI/AAAAAAAAEXM/e5vt1SrDDdY/s800/ignore1.jpg

pretty exclusive list

[inclinerator]

wilt imposed his will on shaq that night

[Kblaze8855]

292 in 1964 is complete rubbish..And I don't care if you can find one guy from the time who makes that silly claim. Any rational human can see just in pictures that the claim is nonsense. IF he weghed 292 in 1964 then you better raise the weigh of everyone else who ever played in the NBA by about 50 pounds.


When Shaq came along and got big he looked huge compared to everyone and he played in the day of weigh lifting body builders. he looked much bigger compared to his competition then Wilt did next to his skinny competition. So when people starting pointing out how big Shaq was, Wilt fans didn't like it. So the movement started to exaggerate his size to make it seem like he was in the same ball park as Shaq. This is where you fit in..


There are 50 year old newspaper clippings on him being 275 or so. Ive seen them. Scans of the paper copies. It isnt something someone made up in the 90s.

And Andrew Bynum is 305 pounds right now. He played 285-295 in 2012.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2011/05/Andrew-Bynum.jpg




Hes neither far or musclebound.

Wilt could be about his size.

Too many old reports have the numbers in that area. Ive seen old game programs from his Laker days say I think 304 pounds.

This has been coming up here for 10 years.

Wilt was...rather large. Every report from then or first hand account says the same.

He was 7'1'' barefoot. He doesnt need to look massive to be 275-300.

Mutombo was listed at 261 to 265 on the Rockets. He and wilt were the same height(Mutombo 7'1.25'' barefoot).

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/dikembe_mutombo_2008_03_22.jpg



He look more muscular than Wilt?

Not to me.


Wilt being 270 in season and 10 or more pounds up from that early season isnt that unlikely to me. Laker Wilt? 295-310 seems fair. He was quite a big thicker than Mutombo....

[sportjames23]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wGrO_N4x_zM/UZuq14okwhI/AAAAAAAAEXM/e5vt1SrDDdY/s800/ignore1.jpg

pretty exclusive list



:roll: :roll: :roll:

[stanlove1111]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wGrO_N4x_zM/UZuq14okwhI/AAAAAAAAEXM/e5vt1SrDDdY/s800/ignore1.jpg

pretty exclusive list


I have asked him numerous times if Wilt was bigger then Reed by the same degree that Reed was bigger then West. He won't answer..
He would need this to be true to have Wilt weigh over 300..At least by not answering he proved he was smart enough to figure out he need this to be true.

[stanlove1111]

There are 50 year old newspaper clippings on him being 275 or so. Ive seen them. Scans of the paper copies. It isnt something someone made up in the 90s.

And Andrew Bynum is 305 pounds right now. He played 285-295 in 2012.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2011/05/Andrew-Bynum.jpg




Hes neither far or musclebound.

Wilt could be about his size.

Too many old reports have the numbers in that area. Ive seen old game programs from his Laker days say I think 304 pounds.

This has been coming up here for 10 years.

Wilt was...rather large. Every report from then or first hand account says the same.

He was 7'1'' barefoot. He doesnt need to look massive to be 275-300.

Mutombo was listed at 261 to 265 on the Rockets. He and wilt were the same height(Mutombo 7'1.25'' barefoot).

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/dikembe_mutombo_2008_03_22.jpg



He look more muscular than Wilt?

Not to me.


Wilt being 270 in season and 10 or more pounds up from that early season isnt that unlikely to me. Laker Wilt? 295-310 seems fair. He was quite a big thicker than Mutombo....

I agree 275. Did those old newspaper weigh Wilt? Unless they did their numbers are worthless.

Like I said if Wilt was 300 then add 50 pounds on to basically everyone who ever played..Thats what you would have to do to make it make sense.

[ProfessorMurder]

I agree 275. Did those old newspaper weigh Wilt? Unless they did their numbers are worthless.

Like I said if Wilt was 300 then add 50 pounds on to basically everyone who ever played..Thats what you would have to do to make it make sense.

Did you weigh Wilt? Did you meet Wilt? Did you write a letter to Wilt and ask him?

The newspapers are more credible than some dumbf*ck on ISH.

[kNicKz]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Players%20with%20other%20celebrities/andrearnoldwilt1vh.jpg

[fpliii]

Not that anybody cares, but for those who haven't seen these files yet, here are some articles citing Wilt's weight over the years:

http://www9.zippyshare.com/v/79675448/file.html

I have no dog in the fight, just wanna throw some sources out there.

[jongib369]

Looked like Shaq sized him up after the handshake :lol

[Kblaze8855]

I agree 275. Did those old newspaper weigh Wilt? Unless they did their numbers are worthless.

Like I said if Wilt was 300 then add 50 pounds on to basically everyone who ever played..Thats what you would have to do to make it make sense.


For one....there are people who DID weigh Wilt who speak on it(coaches/trainers)...and you pretend to be more informed. And second....

If it doesnt make sense that a guy his size can be 300 and not appear huge or that a guy his size can gain or lose 20-30 pounds and not look terribly different you just arent looking into it. A lot of guys wilts height get around there and dont appear fat or overly muscular.


I was between 190 and 208 over a couple years of HS sports....and wilt was 10-11 inches taller than me. The idea that he could be between 275-310 over the course of 15 years? Not hard to swallow. Not a lot to gain given 15 years.

That he could have 15 pounds on Rockets Mutombo at the same height...is not hard to believe.

What is hard to believe is that you believe the rookie/pre draft weights of the guys around him were accurate deep into their careers. none of them are their listed weights. My stepfather was 6'3'' 240 and not exactly fat. You have guys like Wayne embry listed 6'9'' 240...at parts of their career...they look...lets say stout. They didnt call him the Wall because he was 240. They called him that because he was 280-300.

THe listed weights mean nothing.

Wilt was 7'1'' and....big. Making him about 275-300. Bynum is 7'1'' and...big. He played at 290 and hes currently 305 and thats after losing weight. Hes 305 just off not working out. Wilt being 300+ early season is so easy to believe I cant believe its ever been an argument.

[jzek]

WTH he almost tore off Shaq's arm! :wtf:

[Foster5k]

Lmao. Wilt almost ripped Shaq's arm off.

[LAZERUSS]

I agree 275. Did those old newspaper weigh Wilt? Unless they did their numbers are worthless.

Like I said if Wilt was 300 then add 50 pounds on to basically everyone who ever played..Thats what you would have to do to make it make sense.

A typical "Chamberlain-basher." There are literally dozens, if not hundreds of articles claiming Wilt was 300+ at various times in his career. But, once again, with Wilt, no matter how much proof is provided, whether it be legitimate first-hand accounts, or newspaper and magazine articles, or even video footage, the "anti-Wilt clan" will never accept it.

Bob Lanier was mentioned above. No matter what basketball-reference claims, Lanier was easily 265+ for most of his career. And, at 6-11 back then in the 70's, he would surely measure at 7-0+ in today's game. And he has been on record as stating that "Wilt picked me up, and moved me like a cup of coffee."

There is footage of the 71-72 NBA-ABA All-Star game, and in it, Chamberlain dwarfs Artis Gilmore. Gilmore was a 7-2, and peaked at 290 lbs, and was often considered the strongest man in the game when he played. I believe Robert parish is on record as claiming that Gilmore was the strongest man he ever faced...and he played against Shaq.

I actually got a kick out of the TNT group in watching Shaq's bench press. For years there were some that claimed that he could bench 450 lbs. And probably the average fan would have accepted it...despite no actual video evidence (in an era when virtually everything has been caught on tape.) But here was a near 400 lb Shaq, and not even able to budge 405. And from what I witnessed, I would be surprised if he could even do 350.

But there have been eye-witness accounts of Chamberlain's staggering strength, including one which supposedly witnessed a 59 year old Chamberlain benching 465 lbs. Not only that, but during the interview, Wilt mentioned that he could probably have done more.

And, of course, there were various articles back then, which support those claims. An SI article in '64, and well before Chamberlain would reach peak strength, crediting him with a 400 lb. bench. In fact, just google Wilt's strength, and again, dozens, if not hundreds of articles (many probably using the same sources, of course) with upwards of 500+.

There is an actual taped interview in which none other than Arnold Schwartzenegger was just astonished by Wilt's strength. And in Robert Cherry's book on Chamberlain, he interviewed a well-known weight-lifter, who reportedly was benching 500+ lbs, and he too, was just blown away by Chamberlain's strength. He said that "Wilt curled 110 lb dumbells like you or I would pick up a telephone."

And, of course, there are various photographs in which Chamberlain is displaying massive biceps, as well as a Costas video interview alongside Russell, and somewhere in his late 50's, in which his arms are the size of tree trunks.

The fact is, the internet is just plastered with articles about his massive strength, his sprinter's speed, his near limitless leaping ability, and his inexhaustible stamina. First hand accounts from dozens, if not hundreds, from respectable sources. Why would people like Tex Winter lie about Wilt dunking FTs? What did he have to gain by it? He was so stunned by it, that he led a committee which ultimately "banned such freakish activity." Why?

And the Wilt-detractors will never acknowledge his records, either. They will find praise for Russell, West, and Kareem...all of whom played in the Chamberlain-era, and none of whom could come within light-years of so many of his records, but yet they will disparage Wilt. I have always found it fascinating that these Chamberlain-bashers find fault in virtually everything he did. If he put up a 50-30 game, but if his team lost, no matter how pathetic his teammates were,...well, he was "stats-padding." If he put up a 50-30 game, and his team won...he was "stats-padding." If he "only" hung a 30-20 game, and his team lost...he was a "choker." And even in cases in which he would put up a 30-20 game, and his team won...well, geez, look how great his opposing center played to "hold" Wilt down like that.

Here again...no matter what Wilt accomplished, there are those that simply will never accept it...no matter the overwhelming amount of conclusive evidence.

[jongib369]

You can see how Wilt almost rips Shaq's arm of his shoulder:bowdown:

Reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcIjFeWE4fE

:roll:

[ILLsmak]

lol, I know people who shake hands like that.

Some wanna-be alpha male shit. Anyone who thinks because they squeezed your hand that it means you are going to behave differently toward them is pretty simple minded.

-Smak

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326476

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Vii-jxHxfqg/UwWC7yKtSOI/AAAAAAAAE-s/Gm0ISKegD0A/s400/Chicago%2520Stadium%25201993.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w0hPgPoNmmU/UwWC74wo7VI/AAAAAAAAE-o/cigoDzEjxpA/s400/Chicago%2520Stadium%25201973.jpg
50/50
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-P65woXAoE9g/UwWDnmvKlaI/AAAAAAAAE-0/NrRSrFu-uk0/s400/Chicago%2520Stadium%2520superimposed.jpg

Same "eye", different decade. Chicago stadium 1973 and 1993

[CavaliersFTW]

BTW I have interview of Wilt stating specifically, that at that time (1997) he weighed about 270. In 1992 when he met Shaq he looks a bit heavier than he did in the 1997 interview though by how much I'm not sure. As far as how much Lakers Wilt weighed, in that same interview the interviewer says "What was your playing weight in your last couple of years about 275?" Wilt at first says none of your business, because in his era, having a heavy billed weight was viewed as a negative it wasn't like today when 'bulking up' was considered a good thing. But after being pressed he says, and I quote "I played about 300-310"

... There's a reason he looks bigger than rookie Shaq folks. He WAS at many points of his life bigger than rookie Shaq. And during his prime there is countless testimony that he played about 290lbs, even showing up to training camp one season at 320. There is no reason to believe Wilt was 250-275 his whole career actually there is little reason to believe he played at those weights beyond his first 3 seasons. Those are just listed numbers from his rookie season followed by the 275 which came about his 3rd season. By season 5, he was showing up to camp at 320 and played the season at 290.

[oarabbus]

The relevant question is would have have done anything like that to Peak Shaq?

[CavaliersFTW]

The relevant question is would have have done anything like that to Peak Shaq?
No clue really, that was definitely a different Shaq, bigger body and more confident. Rookie Shaq is all we've got footage/pictures of interacting with Wilt. That version of Shaq seemed intimidated by Wilt in both the footage of them shaking hands and the footage that surfaced a few months back where Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Walton and Kareem are all shooting a commercial together. Wilt stood next to Shaq during that shoot and his body language was all alpha, young Shaq looked quiet almost introverted around those guys and he looked small next to Wilt.

[jongib369]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

Found this clip buried in a news report of Wilt's death - it's just a handshake, very brief, but cool!
Sports of The Times; Even Wilt's Coming Out For Shaq
(http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/20/sports/sports-of-the-times-even-wilt-s-coming-out-for-shaq.html)
"JUST how big is Shaquille O'Neal? Seven feet one inch and 301 pounds only begin to measure and weigh the immediate impact of this enormous young man. Two weeks into his professional basketball career, he has aroused such curiosity that even Wilt Chamberlain is coming out to take a look.

Tomorrow night, when the Orlando Magic's rookie giant has his first close encounter with an All-Star center, the Knicks' Patrick Ewing, Chamberlain is planning to squeeze his 7-1 frame and still-sculptured 275 pounds into a seat designed for more normal-sized human beings at Madison Square Garden.

Unlike at women's professional tennis matches, where Wilt's famous face often hovers above the crowd, it is a rare night when there is a Chamberlain sighting at a basketball game. It's not that he isn't interested in the league he terrorized for 14 years between 1959 and 1973; it's just not his scene.

"I watch a lot on television," the 56-year-old Chamberlain said the other night, as Arantxa Sanchez Vicario was punishing Zina Garrison in straight sets on the Garden's blue carpet. "But I've probably been to two or three games in the last 10 years."

Chamberlain is in town this week primarily for the Virginia Slims Championships, but because he was already committed to catching the two semifinal matches on Saturday afternoon, the temptation of O'Neal against Ewing a few hours later, or O'Neal versus Ewing with Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason lending a helpful forearm or two, was simply too great to resist.

If O'Neal is going to be characterized as the second coming of Wilt, and is going to appear in a television commercial with the Big Dipper himself, then Chamberlain thinks he might as well find out first hand if he ought to be honored by the comparisons or insulted.

A commercial was indeed shot in Los Angeles recently, a Reebok extravaganza that brought together the game's first truly dominant big men, Chamberlain and Bill Russell, for the first time since 1969, according to Chamberlain.

For the sake of civility, and commercial art, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Willis Reed (Reebok's blatant attempt to stroke the New York market) were included in the filming. A spokesman for the shoe company said that the spots would not air until late winter, and he regretted to add he would be risking severe corporate cruelty if he were to reveal their content.

A 7-1 person close to the commercial, however, fearlessly reported that each retired great delivers a line of advice to the 21-year-old, as the commercial tries to delicately portray O'Neal as a bright-eyed Goliath who knows he has a great deal to learn. The person couldn't remember the lines, exactly, but he did say that O'Neal seemed to be a "very nice young man" who was well liked by the 35 feet worth of legends.

Like most basketball fans not wired for local Orlando cable, he has only seen O'Neal in action via late-night news clips, Chamberlain said. As it appears to be the same clip shown every night, O'Neal running downcourt for some thunderous dunk, Chamberlain said he is not sure what to expect tomorrow night.

"I saw him play on television when he was in college a couple of times and it turned out not to be his better games," Chamberlain said. "Obviously, for a man his size, he seems to have a great deal of agility, and people are talking about what a great athlete he is.

"It's ironic, but when I started, I didn't weigh nearly as much as him, but people never focused on my ability as an athlete, only on my size. I think now because people have seen guys like Mark Eaton and Manute Bol, who can't get two inches off the ground, they understand you have to be more than big to be great."

As the man who scored 100 points in one game and averaged 50 points per game in 1961-62, and as a center who led the National Basketball Association in assists in 1968, Chamberlain has standards that tend to be as big as his ego. However much better the N.B.A. is today, however bigger the average player, he won't be easily convinced that O'Neal is another version of him.

"People are saying that, but what, exactly, has he accomplished?" said Chamberlain.

For starters, O'Neal seems to get 29 points and 16 rebounds by just showing up, which he did last night in a victory over the Warriors. Rival coaches and players have already begun to scream that he gets favored treatment by officials, a sure sign of fear as much as respect. Plus, there is the unmistakable symbolic symmetry of O'Neal having made his spectacular debut with the Magic mere days after the Magic Johnson era came to an end.

If that isn't enough, Wilt is coming out to see what the fuss is all about. Which says it all."


http://i42.tinypic.com/fvwduf.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L2cWwtzSm2w/hqdefault.jpg

Box score from that game (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199211210NYK.html)

Shaq- 18 PTS-Shooting 7-18 389%- 4-11 FT- 17 TRB- 2 AST- 3 BLK- 7 TOV SHOOK

Ewing- 15 PTS-Shooting 7-16 438%- 4-11 FT- 9 TRB- 1 AST- 3 BLK- 3 TOV

[sd3035]

If Ilt was so big and strong, why did he always get bodied by 220 lb Bill Russell?

[jongib369]

If Ilt was so big and strong, why did he always get bodied by 220 lb Bill Russell?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I9jddU8eNWrI8MMOPs_0l58WnjFNADvF4iIcu0Sfz7A/edit?pli=1#gid=0


Russell highs:

Regular Season (13 seasons)
points: 18.9
rebounds: 24.7
assists: 5.8
FG: 46.7%
FT: 61.2%
fouls: 2.0 (lowest)

PER: 22.8
WS/48: .238
TS%: 50.0

Playoffs (165 games)
points: 22.4
rebounds: 29.9
assists: 6.3
FG: 52.7%
FT: 72.6%
fouls: 2.4 (lowest)

PER: 22.8
WS/48: .286
TS%: 51.9

Wilt highs:

Regular Season (14 seasons)
points: 50.4
rebounds: 27.2
assists: 8.6
FG: 72.7%
FT: 61.3%
fouls: 1.5

PER: 31.8
WS/48: .286
TS%: 68.9

Playoffs (165 games)
points: 37.0
rebounds: 30.2
assists: 9.0
FG: 57.9%
FT: 63.6%
fouls: 1.9

PER: 31.3
WS/48: .329
TS%: 55.6

[plowking]

Looked like an old man trying to be imposing and announce himself as the big man, catching the younger guy off guard.

Wilt did get up there in weight in his Laker days and what not, but at that weight, he never moved around like Shaq did at the higher weights. Hell, Shaq in his rookie season was like 295lbs and he was an amazingly freaky athlete. That remained true even when he was 360lbs on the Lakers.

[Asukal]

Great Wilt looks superb. How many rings did he win again? :rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

Sports of The Times; Even Wilt's Coming Out For Shaq
(http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/20/sports/sports-of-the-times-even-wilt-s-coming-out-for-shaq.html)
"JUST how big is Shaquille O'Neal? Seven feet one inch and 301 pounds only begin to measure and weigh the immediate impact of this enormous young man. Two weeks into his professional basketball career, he has aroused such curiosity that even Wilt Chamberlain is coming out to take a look.

Tomorrow night, when the Orlando Magic's rookie giant has his first close encounter with an All-Star center, the Knicks' Patrick Ewing, Chamberlain is planning to squeeze his 7-1 frame and still-sculptured 275 pounds into a seat designed for more normal-sized human beings at Madison Square Garden.

Unlike at women's professional tennis matches, where Wilt's famous face often hovers above the crowd, it is a rare night when there is a Chamberlain sighting at a basketball game. It's not that he isn't interested in the league he terrorized for 14 years between 1959 and 1973; it's just not his scene.

"I watch a lot on television," the 56-year-old Chamberlain said the other night, as Arantxa Sanchez Vicario was punishing Zina Garrison in straight sets on the Garden's blue carpet. "But I've probably been to two or three games in the last 10 years."

Chamberlain is in town this week primarily for the Virginia Slims Championships, but because he was already committed to catching the two semifinal matches on Saturday afternoon, the temptation of O'Neal against Ewing a few hours later, or O'Neal versus Ewing with Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason lending a helpful forearm or two, was simply too great to resist.

If O'Neal is going to be characterized as the second coming of Wilt, and is going to appear in a television commercial with the Big Dipper himself, then Chamberlain thinks he might as well find out first hand if he ought to be honored by the comparisons or insulted.

A commercial was indeed shot in Los Angeles recently, a Reebok extravaganza that brought together the game's first truly dominant big men, Chamberlain and Bill Russell, for the first time since 1969, according to Chamberlain.

For the sake of civility, and commercial art, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton and Willis Reed (Reebok's blatant attempt to stroke the New York market) were included in the filming. A spokesman for the shoe company said that the spots would not air until late winter, and he regretted to add he would be risking severe corporate cruelty if he were to reveal their content.

A 7-1 person close to the commercial, however, fearlessly reported that each retired great delivers a line of advice to the 21-year-old, as the commercial tries to delicately portray O'Neal as a bright-eyed Goliath who knows he has a great deal to learn. The person couldn't remember the lines, exactly, but he did say that O'Neal seemed to be a "very nice young man" who was well liked by the 35 feet worth of legends.

Like most basketball fans not wired for local Orlando cable, he has only seen O'Neal in action via late-night news clips, Chamberlain said. As it appears to be the same clip shown every night, O'Neal running downcourt for some thunderous dunk, Chamberlain said he is not sure what to expect tomorrow night.

"I saw him play on television when he was in college a couple of times and it turned out not to be his better games," Chamberlain said. "Obviously, for a man his size, he seems to have a great deal of agility, and people are talking about what a great athlete he is.

"It's ironic, but when I started, I didn't weigh nearly as much as him, but people never focused on my ability as an athlete, only on my size. I think now because people have seen guys like Mark Eaton and Manute Bol, who can't get two inches off the ground, they understand you have to be more than big to be great."

As the man who scored 100 points in one game and averaged 50 points per game in 1961-62, and as a center who led the National Basketball Association in assists in 1968, Chamberlain has standards that tend to be as big as his ego. However much better the N.B.A. is today, however bigger the average player, he won't be easily convinced that O'Neal is another version of him.

"People are saying that, but what, exactly, has he accomplished?" said Chamberlain.

For starters, O'Neal seems to get 29 points and 16 rebounds by just showing up, which he did last night in a victory over the Warriors. Rival coaches and players have already begun to scream that he gets favored treatment by officials, a sure sign of fear as much as respect. Plus, there is the unmistakable symbolic symmetry of O'Neal having made his spectacular debut with the Magic mere days after the Magic Johnson era came to an end.

If that isn't enough, Wilt is coming out to see what the fuss is all about. Which says it all."


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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L2cWwtzSm2w/hqdefault.jpg

Box score from that game (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199211210NYK.html)

Shaq- 18 PTS-Shooting 7-18 389%- 4-11 FT- 17 TRB- 2 AST- 3 BLK- 7 TOV SHOOK

Ewing- 15 PTS-Shooting 7-16 438%- 4-11 FT- 9 TRB- 1 AST- 3 BLK- 3 TOV


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[jongib369]

Looked like an old man trying to be imposing and announce himself as the big man, catching the younger guy off guard.

Wilt did get up there in weight in his Laker days and what not, but at that weight, he never moved around like Shaq did at the higher weights. Hell, Shaq in his rookie season was like 295lbs and he was an amazingly freaky athlete. That remained true even when he was 360lbs on the Lakers.
They both would of had a lot of trouble guarding the other, Shaq was a tad shorter(height/length), heavier, thicker legs, with feet a LOT bigger. So he'd have the edge pushing, but he woulnd't have his way with him. Wilt was faster, arguably stronger in the upper body, could jump higher, and his offensive game IMO would of been less effected by Shaqs body/D, than Shaq would be by Wilts. Shaq had better footwork, and might of been quicker...But overall the better athlete was Wilt. In their run and gun era, Shaq would not of gotten up to 360, as he would of been ran into the ground eventually by Russell, and Wilt. In Shaqs era, Wilt likely could of gotten a bit heavier with the slower pace and be okay...Along with being more muscular

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JCc8JFbQOpw/VPtGIfIAcFI/AAAAAAAAFu0/0crhnxu0g4I/s800/wilt80%2527s.jpg

http://www.elmoresmithbbqsauce.com/images/slider/vWiltChamberlain2.jpg

http://www.photofile.com/SportsProducts/Photos/aafu035.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-POHe_Ss1WS8/VPtyybKAR3I/AAAAAAAAFvs/B0hI72uiAXM/s800/wilt%252069asg.jpg

They would of brought the best out of each other, physically and mentally. Wilt would Outscore, rebound, block, and assist Shaq. But, Shaq would of had the better FG%...But if forced to shoot at the same volume as Wilt, he wouldn't of been able to maintain it. My Top 3 consists of those two, so in no way am I meaning to bash, or downplay Shaq. Shaq would not only hold his own, but make many posters on Wilt that would be on all of our walls. He probably would of pissed Wilt off to the point he'd get him ejected, or even foul out...But I also believe the same to be true the other way around.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fzb1IgIWsmU/VmqTsIud3CI/AAAAAAAAHYM/0eEmh0deP3g/s1280-Ic42/WiltShaq.jpg