Is LeBron the most overrated defender ever?

[russwest0]

Guy can't even hold Hansbrough and he hardly ever guards the other teams best player.

:confusedshrug:

[kNicKz]

"he cant guard all positions"

*posts a youtube video of him altering 2 of Pau Gasol's shots*

[russwest0]

He just got bulldozed by 5'11 DJ Augustin jogging...

[pauk]

:rolleyes:

[Doranku]

He's a great help defender and an average man defender. :confusedshrug:

[K Xerxes]

Overrated man to man defense (myth of him shutting down Rose and Gasol), but all-time great help defense and on court presence.

[TylerOO]

Hes not even guarding Hansborough

[Sharmer]

Guy can't even hold Hansbrough and he hardly ever guards the other teams best player.

:confusedshrug:

:hammerhead:

[russwest0]

:hammerhead:

See avatar is LeBron

>LeBron dickrider

opinion on this subject is invalid

[Le Shaqtus]

His help defense is fantastic, and his man to man defense is good and sometimes has flashes of brilliance there, but his man to man defense is pretty overrated.

[Leftimage]

Best help defender in the league... excellent technique, awareness and (obviously) all-galaxy athleticism.

So, he's not overrated unless you find help defense to be of little importance. But in this league help defense is critical.

His coverage is insane.... offenses literally rot when he's in their radius.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

You'll be hard-pressed to find a wing defender who helps out as much as him. He can switch onto nearly everybody.
Most of the time, help defense is more important than man-to-man defense anyway.

[nathanjizzle]

yes, when he "held" d rose to "6%" shooting in the 4th quarter, it was really his teammates in addition to his twisted ankle.

btw, did we not forget about the game where he was supposedly suppose to guard kevin garnett, he ended up with 5 fouls. i actually predicted that he would come close to fouling out if he tried to gaurd garnett for most the game.

[seanclayton]

PG just jizzed all over LeBron's face. :bowdown:

[DMV2]

LeBron no contesting on George's game-tying 3.

What a pssy!!!!!

[Trollsmasher]

OP knew something before it happened:biggums:

[nathanjizzle]

:roll:

[nathanjizzle]

lol this dude was standing in the corner playing with his wristband, hes scared as ****

[NBASTATMAN]

He's a great help defender and an average man defender. :confusedshrug:

I think he is a bit better than an average defender depending on whom he guards.. I have seen him guard guys like Kobe as good as anyone in the league but sometimes he is lazy and lets his man go past him...You are correct he is much better as a team defender...

[aj1987]

See avatar is LeBron

>LeBron dickrider

opinion on this subject is invalid
See avatar is Westbrook

>Westbrook dickrider

opinion on anything related to BB intelligence is invalid

[Solefade]

LeBron no contesting on George's game-tying 3.

What a pssy!!!!!



There was no contest because he was 4 feet behind the 3 point line and he double clutched his shot :facepalm

[NumberSix]

yes, when he "held" d rose to "6%" shooting in the 4th quarter, it was really his teammates in addition to his twisted ankle.

btw, did we not forget about the game where he was supposedly suppose to guard kevin garnett, he ended up with 5 fouls. i actually predicted that he would come close to fouling out if he tried to gaurd garnett for most the game.
It wasn't LeBron's defense. Rose just sucks.

[G-train]

Lebron is an elite defender. No question. Fact.

[I<3NBA]

No. That title goes to Kobe.

[Rose'sACL]

LeBron no contesting on George's game-tying 3.

What a pssy!!!!!
paul george was taking a really deep 3 and if lebron tried to put his hands near his face, he might have fouled him like wade as he would have had to jump as george is really tall himself and he jumped really high to hit that shot. if he was trying it from the 3 pt line, i would have understood him jumping and putting hands on his face.

[Shih508]

No. That title goes to Kobe.

Got to give to GawdBe!

[tazb]

He doesn't try defensively most of the time, when he does (down the stretch) he's one of the best. He said his goal next year is to win DPOY, we'll see how that goes.

[andremiller07]

No Serge Ibaka is

[DuMa]

he was in foul trouble all night long. so it took away from his aggressiveness on defense. Hes not usually in foul trouble then

[All Net]

See avatar is LeBron

>LeBron dickrider

opinion on this subject is invalid

You are an annoying troll so your opinion is also invalid.

[jimmy77x]

Lebron is an elite defender. No question. Fact.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

[MavsSuperFan]

Overrated, but still a great defender, but some here talk about him like a prime pippen

[Young X]

I hate when people hype up his defense because he can supposedly guard 4 positions.

Duncan can only guard C's and PF's - is Bron a better defender than him too?

Does anyone actually believe Bron wouldn't get cooked if he guarded Duncan, Howard, Hibbert for an entire series?

[Soundwave]

I hate when people hype up his defense because he can supposedly guard 4 positions.

Duncan can only guard C's and PF's - is Bron a better defender than him too?

Does anyone actually believe Bron wouldn't get cooked if he guarded Duncan, Howard, Hibbert for an entire series?

That "he can guard 4 positions" is only relevant today because it's a weak ass era for bigs.

He would get pounded down low against 90s PFs like Kemp, Webber, Coleman, young KG, Malone, and wouldn't be able to keep Barkley off the glass either.

Today's candy ass PFs like Bosh ... sure.

[PJR]

Not at all. Atleast not to anyone who knows their shit when it comes to basketball. Supreme versatility, can hold his own against 4 positions, covers a shit ton of ground, doesn't foul.

The entire reason why the Heat/Spoeltra are able to execute their trap heavy defensive scheme, is because of the ability of LeBron (and Wade) at recovering to the weak side extremely fast.

LeBron's a coaches dream on the defensive end. And he's still getting better in terms of his awareness on that end.

[diamenz]

lebron is a good defender in terms of athletic ability and physicality. he doesn't have the iq of a defender like jordan, pippen or stockton just to name a few.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He's about as versatile as it comes. Right there with Pippen in terms of versatility. Only player more versatile defensively would've been prime KG. His versatility to guard 4's and in pauk's case 5's ... is greatly exaggerated in this current league of soft bigs, and slim to none true pounding low block scorers. PFs or Centers.

Excellent team defender, great awareness and recovery for weak side help. Rarely fouls. Willing to help on rotations, which makes him a great teammate to play defense with. His all-time level athleticism allows him to totally disrupt a team's offensive set. Can contest at the rim and block shots with his hops and length. Or even with his insane physical abilities run down plays for highlight reel chase down blocks. When Bron gets ahead of steam, it's frightening. Both offensively and defensively.

His man to man, on ball defense is very much overrated. When he puts for the effort he's pretty good, don't get me wrong but far from the best I've ever seen in terms of lock down on ball defense.

He's very similar to Pippen in terms of versatility, and team defense. Pippen on average gave better on ball defensive effort. So on average Pippen is better in that regard (making him the overall better defender) ... But I think when LeBron is locked in, even if selective, he's a better man defender than Pippen.

So in essence, he's an all-time great on defense. But his abilities or the extent of them are overhyped.

[Miller for 3]

He's about as versatile as it comes. Right there with Pippen in terms of versatility. Only player more versatile defensively would've been prime KG. His versatility to guard 4's and in pauk's case 5's ... is greatly exaggerated in this current league of soft bigs, and slim to none true pounding low block scorers. PFs or Centers.

Excellent team defender, great awareness and recovery for weak side help. Rarely fouls. Willing to help on rotations, which makes him a great teammate to play defense with. His all-time level athleticism allows him to totally disrupt a team's offensive set. Can contest at the rim and block shots with his hops and length. Or even with his insane physical abilities run down plays for highlight reel chase down blocks. When Bron gets ahead of steam, it's frightening. Both offensively and defensively.

His man to man, on ball defense is very much overrated. When he puts for the effort he's pretty good, don't get me wrong but far from the best I've ever seen in terms of lock down on ball defense.

He's very similar to Pippen in terms of versatility, and team defense. Pippen on average gave better on ball defensive effort. So on average Pippen is better in that regard (making him the overall better defender) ... But I think when LeBron is locked in, even if selective, he's a better man defender than Pippen.


So in essence, he's an all-time great on defense. But his abilities or the extent of them are overhyped.

Nonsense. You are either 15 years old or a troll. Sanders, Hondo, Bobby Jones, Erving, Dandridge, Reid, Pressey, Ak47, Hakeem, Payton, Jordan, Moncrief, Artest and about 70 more players were all just as/more versatile than Lebron. Let's not forget that this playoffs, Lebron was torched by 3 guys who aren't even old enough to rent a car, and one of them can barely dribble. And when he switched onto the 6-7 center waived from the worst team in league history, it was always open season on the basket for the Spurs.

Lebron's defense is slighly above average. Statistically, Durant is a better defender and scorer.

[Lakers2877]

He's definitely overrated defensively but all time? Nah

[thabisyo]

Kobe is the most overrated defender EVER!!!!! :facepalm

[russwest0]

Damn OP here. Didn't realize this thread was still going.

The fact that LeBron was voted 2nd in the DPOY race by the clowns at ESPN is an absolute joke. I'm convinced that they don't even watch the damn games. Even Kevin Durant has a better DRTG, and DWS than LeBron does. He also routinely gets more blocks and draws 3x more charges. Whats that LeBron dick riders, versatility? KD allows a lower PER on SG's and PF's so get that shit outta here.

Being able to guard all 5 positions is nothing to write home about when you are average/shit at guarding all of them. LeBron was rotating who he was guarding in the Finals one game and they all got hot every time LeBron was on them. It was more like the Heat were trying to find someone who wouldn't torch him rather than actually take advantage of his so called "versatility." Not to mention everyone of the Pacers perimiter players torching LeBron at somepoint in the ECF

[G-Funk]

no question about it. nothing special

[Electric Slide]

Damn OP here. Didn't realize this thread was still going.

The fact that LeBron was voted 2nd in the DPOY race by the clowns at ESPN is an absolute joke. I'm convinced that they don't even watch the damn games. Even Kevin Durant has a better DRTG, and DWS than LeBron does. He also routinely gets more blocks and draws 3x more charges. Whats that LeBron dick riders, versatility? KD allows a lower PER on SG's and PF's so get that shit outta here.

Being able to guard all 5 positions is nothing to write home about when you are average/shit at guarding all of them. LeBron was rotating who he was guarding in the Finals one game and they all got hot every time LeBron was on them. It was more like the Heat were trying to find someone who wouldn't torch him rather than actually take advantage of his so called "versatility." Not to mention everyone of the Pacers perimiter players torching LeBron at somepoint in the ECF
He shut down Tony Parker in the last 2 games of the Finals.
He shut down Paul George in Game 7 of the ECF

He shut down Melo in the entire 2012 1st round series.

Nice try though.

[russwest0]

He shut down Tony Parker in the last 2 games of the Finals.
He shut down Paul George in Game 7 of the ECF

He shut down Melo in the entire 2012 1st round series.

Nice try though.

Are you one of those people who thinks that he shut down Rose two years ago by guarding him for 4 offensive possesions?

Heat defense double teams Melo and Melo chucks anyways and we get to hear from the Media "OMG LEBRON DA BEST DEFENDER IN DA GAME"

LeBron didn't even guard Tony Parker that much in those game either. Parker was banged up and gassed at that point as well.

You are exact proof of why LeBron is overrated. He literally spends 90% of his time guarding non-threats and we still get to hear about how he alone is shutting people down

[Electric Slide]

Are you one of those people who thinks that he shut down Rose two years ago by guarding him for 4 offensive possesions?

Heat defense double teams Melo and Melo chucks anyways and we get to hear from the Media "OMG LEBRON DA BEST DEFENDER IN DA GAME"

LeBron didn't even guard Tony Parker that much in those game either. Parker was banged up and gassed at that point as well.
Lebron was the best and main defender on Rose in the ECF but that was more of a team effort more than anything. Lebron gets the lionshare of the credit but not all of it like he did against TP, PG, and Melo.

lol at doubling teaming Melo. They didn't double him at all.

http://i49.tinypic.com/efgeas.png

Melo couldn't do shit against Lebron and he couldn't in the 2013 meeting either.

It's funny that TP's injury excuse is used when he sucks against Lebron but it's irrelevant when he is dominating. :oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Are you one of those people who thinks that he shut down Rose two years ago by guarding him for 4 offensive possesions?

Heat defense double teams Melo and Melo chucks anyways and we get to hear from the Media "OMG LEBRON DA BEST DEFENDER IN DA GAME"

LeBron didn't even guard Tony Parker that much in those game either. Parker was banged up and gassed at that point as well.

Actually, Lebron guarded Parker in the 4th quarters. And everyone was banged up at that point. If you're on the court, no excuses.

[Electric Slide]

Actually, Lebron guarded Parker in the 4th quarters. And everyone was banged up at that point. If you're on the court, no excuses.
You can only use excuses if it makes Lebron look bad.

[Lakers2877]

I'd like to know how people like us come to conclusions about defense. Not just with Lebron or Kobe. Everybody

How do you quantify such a thing?

[Electric Slide]

I'd like to know how people like us come to conclusions about defense. Not just with Lebron or Kobe. Everybody

How do you quantify such a thing?
When someone scores on Lebron, that always happens and Lebron got owned.
When someone scores on Kobe, it's complete luck.

[russwest0]

>Says LeBron was the main defender on Rose in the ECF
>Brb, busy laughing my ass off

[Electric Slide]

>Says LeBron was the main defender on Rose in the ECF
>Brb, busy laughing my ass off
Rose shot 6.3% with Lebron on him in the 2011 ECF. Pretty sure he was the best defender.

Then again, seeing how you have an idiotic player like Russell Westbrook on your username, I can understand that you are incapable of knowing what's good basketball since he is probably the biggest dumbass in the NBA.

[russwest0]

>Shows what Rose's FG% was in very limited time vs LeBron
>Somehow trying to use this to prove that LeBron was the main defender on Rose

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[kamil]

Lebron* is overrated at a lot of things. But he's underrated when it comes to collusion, he's the GOAT at that.

[Electric Slide]

>Shows what Rose's FG% was in very limited time vs LeBron
>Somehow trying to use this to prove that LeBron was the main defender on Rose

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
He was the main defender in the clutch and he was the main defender when Rose was getting shut down. He didn't guard him the majority of the series though.

Either way Lebron is probably the 2nd best perimeter defender of all-time behind Pippen.

[russwest0]

Now I realize that you have just been trolling.

Solid 8/10

Good day sir

[Lebron23]

Tell that to Derrick Rose, and Tony Parker.

[russwest0]

Lebron* is overrated at a lot of things. But he's underrated when it comes to collusion, he's the GOAT at that.

TRUE DAT

:lol :lol :lol

[sportjames23]

Tell that to Derrick Rose, and Tony Parker.


What about Jason Terry?

Oops. :oldlol:

[russwest0]

What about Boris Diaw?

Oops.

:roll:

[Lebron23]

TRUE DAT

:lol :lol :lol


What's up Fresh_Kid??? I just reported all of your accounts. Jeff is going to kick you out of this forum.

[russwest0]

What's up Fresh_Kid??? I just reported all of your accounts. Jeff is going to kick you out of this forum.

Have no idea who that is but Jeff can run an IP check and get back to you and call you a clown 4 wasting his time

:D

[sportjames23]

What about Boris Diaw?

Oops.

:roll:



:roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

>Shows what Rose's FG% was in very limited time vs LeBron
>Somehow trying to use this to prove that LeBron was the main defender on Rose

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Yeah, its somehow just a coincidence players shoot poorly when Bron guards them.

[plowking]

What about Jason Terry?

Oops. :oldlol:

Look at this Jordan jocker. :oldlol:

Guess Jordan sucked as a defender because Iverson shook him all the time. :oldlol:

[russwest0]

Yeah, its somehow just a coincidence players shoot poorly when Bron guards them.

Using the small sample size of LeBron switching on PG's in 1-2 games in the 4th quarter of a 5-7 game series.

>Using this to call LeFlop an elite defender and ignoring all averaged stats like DWS, DRTG, opponent PER, etc.

>MFW

:biggums:

[sportjames23]

Look at this Jordan jocker. :oldlol:

Guess Jordan sucked as a defender because Iverson shook him all the time. :oldlol:


Look at this exaggerating fakkit. Iverson juked MJ ONCE (by carrying the ball, I might add).

MJ and the Bulls still won the game.

[plowking]

Look at this exaggerating fakkit. Iverson juked MJ ONCE (by carrying the ball, I might add).

MJ and the Bulls still won the game.

Look at their head to head matchups. :oldlol:

Not to mention when Payton switched onto Jordan from game 4 onwards in the 96 finals, MJ was looking like a lost, frustrated puppy out there. Getting shut down by a 6'3 point guard. :oldlol:

[diamenz]

Look at their head to head matchups. :oldlol:

Not to mention when Payton switched onto Jordan from game 4 onwards in the 96 finals, MJ was looking like a lost, frustrated puppy out there. Getting shut down by a 6'3 point guard. :oldlol:

payton was an all time great defender. jason terry is... a bitch?

[ILLsmak]

They allow him to play that Duke defense on people. He's pretty good, tho, but if someone tried to defend LeBron like LeBron defends, it'd be a foul.

-Smak

[SamuraiSWISH]

Guess Jordan sucked as a defender because Iverson shook him all the time. :oldlol:
No shame in getting crossed up by Iverson. And on top of that Iverson himself admitted that MJ was such a great defender that he still almost blocked his shot on the recovery from his best move. Stay hating.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Not THE most overrated (that would be Kobe), but he's definitely been getting quite overrated the past season.

[TheReal Kendall]

They allow him to play that Duke defense on people. He's pretty good, tho, but if someone tried to defend LeBron like LeBron defends, it'd be a foul.

-Smak

:applause:

Great post

[KyleKong]

LeBron should have won DPOY if it was between him and Marc Gasol.

[sportjames23]

Look at their head to head matchups. :oldlol:

Not to mention when Payton switched onto Jordan from game 4 onwards in the 96 finals, MJ was looking like a lost, frustrated puppy out there. Getting shut down by a 6'3 point guard. :oldlol:


LOL at this exaggerating bitch again.

Head to head, MJ has more wins:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=iversal01&p2=jordami01

And that's including him past his prime with the Wizards.


As for Payton, MJ and the Bulls took their foot off the gas--AFTER they went up 3-0. They Finals were over by that point, kid.

Oh, and who won the championship AND Finals MVP?

Yeah, eat a dick, bitch.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LOL at this exaggerating bitch again.

Head to head, MJ has more wins:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=iversal01&p2=jordami01

And that's including him past his prime with the Wizards.


As for Payton, MJ and the Bulls took their foot off the gas--AFTER they went up 3-0. They Finals were over by that point, kid.

Oh, and who won the championship AND Finals MVP?

Yeah, eat a dick, bitch.
You didn't have to do him like that, bro

:eek:

[RIP CITY]

Shaquille O'Neal is the most overrated defender ever. But considering people on this board are saying LeBron is as good or better than Scottie Pippen, yes, he's definitely becoming one of the most overrated defenders ever.

[plowking]

LOL at this exaggerating bitch again.

Head to head, MJ has more wins:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=iversal01&p2=jordami01

And that's including him past his prime with the Wizards.


As for Payton, MJ and the Bulls took their foot off the gas--AFTER they went up 3-0. They Finals were over by that point, kid.

Oh, and who won the championship AND Finals MVP?

Yeah, eat a dick, bitch.

Yeah, it was Jordan who led them home with the 5/19 performance in the close out game. :oldlol:

Foot off the gas? Use whatever excuse you like, it was obvious that switching Payton onto Jordan shook him and turned it towards the Sonics favor. :oldlol:

Finals MVP, sure. But he wasn't the best player in the series.

[plowking]

Not THE most overrated (that would be Kobe), but he's definitely been getting quite overrated the past season.

This dude gets more and more shook every time he posts about Lebron.

Its funny watching your agenda change over the years. You used to support Lebron at any cost in debates with him and Kobe. Funny how the tone has changed now. One is more of a threat than the other. :oldlol:

[russwest0]

They allow him to play that Duke defense on people. He's pretty good, tho, but if someone tried to defend LeBron like LeBron defends, it'd be a foul.

-Smak


:rockon: :bowdown: :applause:

Reminds me of when Bron went like two/three weeks without getting a foul called on him I was like WTF?

[I.R.Beast]

yes he is... vastly overrated. I watch trying to find how and why he gets so much praise on defense..his on ball defense is average and his help defense is more of a team concept type thing that his own individual greatness at it... the Miami heat preach help defense...rotating adn trapping etc.. it's become a culture the entire team helps really well...With that said he's extremely overrated.

[sportjames23]

Yeah, it was Jordan who led them home with the 5/19 performance in the close out game. :oldlol:

Foot off the gas? Use whatever excuse you like, it was obvious that switching Payton onto Jordan shook him and turned it towards the Sonics favor. :oldlol:

Finals MVP, sure. But he wasn't the best player in the series.


Up 3-0. Series was all but over.

Finished it in 6, never had to go to Game 7, or get bailed out by an old role player.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Up 3-0. Series was all but over.

Finished it in 6, never had to go to Game 7, or get bailed out by an old role player.
Dat Ether

[sportjames23]

And what happened to GP here?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuryGoKXT-Q


I love me some Payton (my second favorite PG after Magic), but these kids need to end that Payton stopped MJ bullshit.

[SamuraiSWISH]

And what happened to GP here?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuryGoKXT-Q


I love me some Payton (my second favorite PG after Magic), but these kids need to end that Payton stopped MJ bullshit.
:oldlol:

MJ was merely missing give me's he normally converts.

But hey, at least he wasn't afraid to shoot all series. Even facing all-time great defenders in his grill.

[Young X]

How are Lebron stans of all people talking about Jordan's finals performances?

...especially when LeRingChase has shot under 50% in 17/22 games in the finals for his career?

Niqqa got outplayed by Jason Terry in a FINALS series. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Up 3-0. Series was all but over.

Finished it in 6, never had to go to Game 7, or get bailed out by an old role player.

5/19 in the close out game. Clearly MJ wasn't getting bailed out, and did it himself. :oldlol:
It's bad when Luc Longley has a comparable close out game to you. :oldlol:

And seriously Samurai, shut up with the constant pats on the back for this sportsjames poster. We've already seen you expose yourself with alternate accounts backing yourself up and patting yourself on the back. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case again. :oldlol:

[branslowski]

This dude gets more and more shook every time he posts about Lebron.

Its funny watching your agenda change over the years. You used to support Lebron at any cost in debates with him and Kobe. Funny how the tone has changed now. One is more of a threat than the other. :oldlol:

Lol@ this guy...You da same n!gga who said LeBron would never win, and defended Wade at all cost:oldlol:

[Asukal]

Yeah, it was Jordan who led them home with the 5/19 performance in the close out game. :oldlol:

Foot off the gas? Use whatever excuse you like, it was obvious that switching Payton onto Jordan shook him and turned it towards the Sonics favor. :oldlol:

Finals MVP, sure. But he wasn't the best player in the series.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Hahaha this is so funny. :roll:
Yeah, Jordan was shook alright if you only look at the box scores. :rolleyes:
If you actually watched the series, I don't need to explain it to you. :hammerhead:

[imdaman99]

5/19 in the close out game. Clearly MJ wasn't getting bailed out, and did it himself. :oldlol:
It's bad when Luc Longley has a comparable close out game to you. :oldlol:

And seriously Samurai, shut up with the constant pats on the back for this sportsjames poster. We've already seen you expose yourself with alternate accounts backing yourself up and patting yourself on the back. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case again. :oldlol:
down 2-0 to the knicks, MJ had a miserable game in game 3. he is not a god. he is human. bailed out by scottie.

but thats besides the point, lebron locked up kendrick perkins in last year's finals, dunno what you were watching OP. perkins is vital part of OKC's vaunted offense. the key to stopping them is preventing kendrick perkins from taking over the game. lebron james, can lock up an elite center :rockon:

[Legends66NBA7]

No, it's not James. He can get overrated like others have mentioned here, though.

I've seen talk of Bill Walton being among the greatest ever, but really that was just 1 or 2 seasons. Not over a consistent 10+ year period of time. As for a wing player... Larry Hughes is up there to me. He was a gambler and that's about it.

[plowking]

Lol@ this guy...You da same n!gga who said LeBron would never win, and defended Wade at all cost:oldlol:

I've yet to see where I said Lebron would never win (I may have :oldlol: ). Yeah, Wade is a G.

[plowking]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Hahaha this is so funny. :roll:
Yeah, Jordan was shook alright if you only look at the box scores. :rolleyes:
If you actually watched the series, I don't need to explain it to you. :hammerhead:

You're really a shit **** at just about everything basketball related, so I'm not going to waste my time even discussing anything with you. :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

Maybe he is overrated, but how can ANY PLAYER BE MORE OVERRATED DEFENSIVELY AS KOBE BRYANT during his career? Lebron sure as hell has made a bigger impact than Bryant and he has Nine hilarious first team all defensive nods. Wrong Title OP.

[Asukal]

You're really a shit **** at just about everything basketball related, so I'm not going to waste my time even discussing anything with you. :oldlol:

Oh yeah, you're an idiot who thinks GP shut down MJ in 96. lol! Moron! :roll:

Don't bother replying, I ain't wasting my time with you idiot. :hammerhead:

[andgar923]

Maybe he is overrated, but how can ANY PLAYER BE MORE OVERRATED DEFENSIVELY AS KOBE BRYANT during his career? Lebron sure as hell has made a bigger impact than Bryant and he has Nine hilarious first team all defensive nods. Wrong Title OP.
basically this.

Kobe is by far the most overrated player ever.

Even when people say he was actually good, he still wasn't consistent and always took plays off defensively, still made the same bone headed mistakes and bad decisions that he made on offense.

[SamuraiSWISH]

How are Lebron stans of all people talking about Jordan's finals performances?

...especially when LeRingChase has shot under 50% in 17/22 games in the finals for his career?

Niqqa got outplayed by Jason Terry in a series. :oldlol:
Seriously. He's had one good Finals (2012) an average Finals (2013) and 2x horrendous Finals ...

MJ had three of the best Finals performances EVER consecutively for three years in '91, '92, and '93.

Then he had a bad Finals for his standards ('96) which is still > LeBron's 2007 and 2011.

And then he too had 2x good Finals ('97, '98) to end it for good measure. How dare LeStans bark up the wrong tree talking about playoff or Finals performances.

You can get away with that shit with Kobe stans. But MJ? Fukk outta here.

[Straight_Ballin]

You'll be hard-pressed to find a wing defender who helps out as much as him. He can switch onto nearly everybody.
Most of the time, help defense is more important than man-to-man defense anyway.


Um no. A lock down man to man defender that shits all over attempted screens is far more important.

[LosScandalous]

ESPN babies just see him get a chasedown block on top 10 plays and jizz about how he's the GOAT. He ain't all that.

[russwest0]

ESPN babies just see him get a chasedown block on top 10 plays and jizz about how he's the GOAT. He ain't all that.

I bet if you asked all ESPN analysts on the spot who gets more blocks, KD or LeBron, 90% of them would say LeBron

[branslowski]

I've yet to see where I said Lebron would never win (I may have :oldlol: ). Yeah, Wade is a G.

:oldlol: You know you did....A poster pulled a screenshot when you posted in a thread about "Will LeBron and Melo (I think Melo) ever win a ring" you said neither will....You also use to fight against the LeBron troll scum....Now you on they squad. You kinda like the actual LeBron:oldlol:

It's watever though, no big deal...

[TheCorporation]

PG just jizzed all over LeBron's face. :bowdown:

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/lebron-james-king-of-the-rings.jpg

[thabisyo]

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/lebron-james-king-of-the-rings.jpg

Our Mighty King
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Asukal]

http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/lebron-james-king-of-the-rings.jpg

Nice comic! :applause:

[raiderfan19]

Seriously. He's had one good Finals (2012) an average Finals (2013) and 2x horrendous Finals ...

MJ had three of the best Finals performances EVER consecutively for three years in '91, '92, and '93.

Then he had a bad Finals for his standards ('96) which is still > LeBron's 2007 and 2011.

And then he too had 2x good Finals ('97, '98) to end it for good measure. How dare LeStans bark up the wrong tree talking about playoff or Finals performances.

You can get away with that shit with Kobe stans. But MJ? Fukk outta here.25/11/7 is an average finals? Really?

[Doranku]

25/11/7 is an average finals? Really?
When you play like dog shit for 5 and three quarters games and then finally start making the WIDE open jumpers that the opposition has handed to you on a silver platter all series for the remaining game and a quarter, then yes, it's an average finals.

Keep staring at box scores, though. Clearly they tell the whole story. :rolleyes:

[plowking]

25/11/7 is an average finals? Really?

People want to act like its a terrible performance, but outside of game 2 and 3 it was actually quite good.

Hell, over the last 4 games he averaged 32/10/7/3/1 on 48/43/79 shooting.

[plowking]

When you play like dog shit for 5 and three quarters games and then finally start making the WIDE open jumpers that the opposition has handed to you on a silver platter all series for the remaining game and a quarter, then yes, it's an average finals.

Keep staring at box scores, though. Clearly they tell the whole story. :rolleyes:

In what way was Bron bad in game 4, or game 6 for that matter?

Game 4 was a good performance from him. Just because Wade was better that game, doesn't take any shine off him. He had a good game.
He was great in game 6. And great in game 7.

[raiderfan19]

When you play like dog shit for 5 and three quarters games and then finally start making the WIDE open jumpers that the opposition has handed to you on a silver platter all series for the remaining game and a quarter, then yes, it's an average finals.

Keep staring at box scores, though. Clearly they tell the whole story. :rolleyes:
Had this actually happened you'd have a point.

[SamuraiSWISH]

When you play like dog shit for 5 and three quarters games and then finally start making the WIDE open jumpers that the opposition has handed to you on a silver platter all series for the remaining game and a quarter, then yes, it's an average finals.

Keep staring at box scores, though. Clearly they tell the whole story. :rolleyes:
Gets it. Given what the defense was doing for 7 games, and given he really didn't take advantage of anything until the final game. He could've had a much more dominant Finals. He was shit through five games. His 3rd quarter in game 6, and game 7 are the only thing that in turn boost up his 2013 Finals to "average"

[DaSeba5]

Why can't you just ask if he's overrated on defense rather than say "ever?" He's average and overrated on his man to man defense, but he's an all-time help defender. His defense is what makes the Heat defense work.

[wpdougie2180]

Why can't you just ask if he's overrated on defense rather than say "ever?" He's average and overrated on his man to man defense, but he's an all-time help defender. His defense is what makes the Heat defense work.

See statements like the bolded is why he is overrated, The heat were 5th in the league the year before he got there in defense with with Beasley, Dorell Wright, and Carlos Arroyo starting so saying he's the reason it works is completely false. He's a good defender but the hype he gets is outlandish in terms of being an all time defender.

Also some people are saying he shut Parker down excluding the fact that Parker hit the gamewinner in his face in Game 1 and 2 potential series clinching buckets right in his face in Game 6 (without the clutch plays at the end of Game 6 people would be saying Parker did the same thing Terry did to him only difference is Carlisle didn't have a brainfart after it happened like Popovich) Parker jumper was off the entire Finals rewatch it he rarely hit jumpers at all in the Finals.

[fpliii]

See statements like the bolded is why he is overrated, The heat were 5th in the league the year before he got there in defense with with Beasley, Dorell Wright, and Carlos Arroyo starting so saying he's the reason it works is completely false. He's a good defender but the hype he gets is outlandish in terms of being an all time defender.

Jermaine O'Neal anchored the defense though, and Haslem was younger. Miami's doing their thing now with LeBron/Bosh getting the large bulk of the minutes at PF/C, with neither being a bonafide paint protector. I think LeBron's man D is overrated, but in terms of help defense that's without doubt not the case.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

See statements like the bolded is why he is overrated, The heat were 5th in the league the year before he got there in defense with with Beasley, Dorell Wright, and Carlos Arroyo starting so saying he's the reason it works is completely false. He's a good defender but the hype he gets is outlandish in terms of being an all time defender.

Also some people are saying he shut Parker down excluding the fact that Parker hit the gamewinner in his face in Game 1 and 2 potential series clinching buckets right in his face in Game 6 (without the clutch plays at the end of Game 6 people would be saying Parker did the same thing Terry did to him only difference is Carlisle didn't have a brainfart after it happened like Popovich).

Parker took an off-balanced shot. Just because it went in doesn't mean he didn't play good defense on him. In game 6, he hit one shot in his face, which was a step-back three. Asides from that shot, he was terrible in game 6 and 7.


Parker jumper was off the entire Finals rewatch it he rarely hit jumpers at all in the Finals.

You could say the same thing about Lebron for games 1-6.

[DaSeba5]

Jermaine O'Neal anchored the defense though, and Haslem was younger. Miami's doing their thing now with LeBron/Bosh getting the large bulk of the minutes at PF/C, with neither being a bonafide paint protector. I think LeBron's man D is overrated, but in terms of help defense that's without doubt not the case.

This is correct.

[wpdougie2180]

Parker took an off-balanced shot. Just because it went in doesn't mean he didn't play good defense on him. In game 6, he hit one shot in his face, which was a step-back three. Asides from that shot, he was terrible in game 6 and 7.



You could say the same thing about Lebron for games 1-6.

I didn't say he wasn't awful but parker also hit another shot after the step back 3 and it would have went down just like Terry if not for the Heat's combined heroics.

And the fact that old broken down Jermaine O'neal and Haslem so called lead the heat to the 5th best defense only supports the fact that it's Spolestra's system not Lebron that makes them special don't get me wrong he is a good defender but saying Jermaine O'neal and Haslem should lead a top 5 defense is not giving credit where credit is due espically when Haslem didn't even start a game that year.

A lineup of Arroyo/Wade/Richardson/Beasley/O'neal was top 5 let that sink in for a second and then tell me that's better than Bosh and Lebron.

[fpliii]

I didn't say he wasn't awful but parker also hit another shot after the step back 3 and it would have went down just like Terry if not for the Heat's combined heroics.

And the fact that old broken down Jermaine O'neal and Haslem so called lead the heat to the 5th best defense only supports the fact that it's Spolestra's system not Lebron that makes them special don't get me wrong he is a good defender but saying Jermaine O'neal and Haslem should lead a top 5 defense is not giving credit where credit is due espically when Haslem didn't even start a game that year.

A lineup of Arroyo/Wade/Richardson/Beasley/O'neal was top 5 let that sink in for a second and then tell me that's better than Bosh and Lebron.

It has nothing to do with names, and everything to do with size. Without a paint protector you're at a huge disadvantage defensively. How many teams have been great on that end without a defensive anchor? The system is good obviously, but you need a guy to run it. I'm not a LeBron guy, but you gotta respect his tremendous help D.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I didn't say he wasn't awful but parker also hit another shot after the step back 3 and it would have went down just like Terry if not for the Heat's combined heroics.

And the fact that old broken down Jermaine O'neal and Haslem so called lead the heat to the 5th best defense only supports the fact that it's Spolestra's system not Lebron that makes them special don't get me wrong he is a good defender but saying Jermaine O'neal and Haslem should lead a top 5 defense is not giving credit where credit is due espically when Haslem didn't even start a game that year.

A lineup of Arroyo/Wade/Richardson/Beasley/O'neal was top 5 let that sink in for a second and then tell me that's better than Bosh and Lebron.

That second shot was against Chalmers IIRC. I was just arguing about Lebron's man-to-man defense on Parker. I don't believe Lebron is the only reason the Heat's defense works but it's obvious that Lebron is a big reason why.

[Doranku]

In what way was Bron bad in game 4, or game 6 for that matter?

Game 4 was a good performance from him. Just because Wade was better that game, doesn't take any shine off him. He had a good game.
He was great in game 6. And great in game 7.

He was good in 4 game. I was talking about his performance overall for the first 5 games and 3 quarters wasn't good at all.

And like I said, he was bad for the first 3 quarters of game 6 and then finally turned things around in the 4th. He ended up 11-26 and that was after having a huge 4th. He was putrid the rest of the game.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like he didn't dominate the end of Game 6/all of Game 7. Kudos to him for coming up huge when it mattered. My problem is that, like Swoosh said, he should have been doing that all series.

The Spurs will daring him, the best player in the world, to shoot wide open jumpers all series. And instead of capitalizing on that, he looked scared and intimidated at times during those first 5 and 3 quarters games.

Fortunately for him, he caught a break and was given a chance at redemption after Ray's miracle 3. He might not be so lucky next year if he continues to distrust his jumper like that.

[wpdougie2180]

That second shot was against Chalmers IIRC. I was just arguing about Lebron's man-to-man defense on Parker. I don't believe Lebron is the only reason the Heat's defense works but it's obvious that Lebron is a big reason why.

Ok u may be right about the second shot I was just pointing out the similarities between Parker's shot(s) and Terry's shot.

And I never said Lebron wasn't a good defender but for posters to say He is The reason it works is giving him to much credit and minimizing everyone else's contribution to the defense (spoelstra, Wade, Bosh, Battier, Chalmers(who is a decent defender) Birdman, Haslem, formerly Mike Miller) they have a ton of decent to good defenders on the heat not just Lebron.

[aj1987]

He was good in 4 game. I was talking about his performance overall for the first 5 games and 3 quarters wasn't good at all.

And like I said, he was bad for the first 3 quarters of game 6 and then finally turned things around in the 4th. He ended up 11-26 and that was after having a huge 4th. He was putrid the rest of the game.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like he didn't dominate the end of Game 6/all of Game 7. Kudos to him for coming up huge when it mattered. My problem is that, like Swoosh said, he should have been doing that all series.

The Spurs will daring him, the best player in the world, to shoot wide open jumpers all series. And instead of capitalizing on that, he looked scared and intimidated at times during those first 5 and 3 quarters games.

Fortunately for him, he caught a break and was given a chance at redemption after Ray's miracle 3. He might not be so lucky next year if he continues to distrust his jumper like that.
Game 1 - 18/18/10 (Great game. Lost because of Parker's lucky shot)
Game 2 - 17/8/7/3/3 (Pretty decent, not good, decent all round game)
Game 3 - 15/11/5/2 (Horrible game! No excuse!)
Game 4 - 33/11/4/2/2 (Great game)
Game 5 - 25/6/8/4 (Horrible Shooting and Chalmers bricks didn't help either)
Game 6 - 32/10/11/3/1 (Great all round game)
Game 7 - 37/12/4/2 (Great game)

In all, he had 4 great games and 1 average game.

[TheBigVeto]

It's Kobe.

[plowking]

Also some people are saying he shut Parker down excluding the fact that Parker hit the gamewinner in his face in Game 1 and 2 potential series clinching buckets right in his face in Game 6 (without the clutch plays at the end of Game 6 people would be saying Parker did the same thing Terry did to him only difference is Carlisle didn't have a brainfart after it happened like Popovich) Parker jumper was off the entire Finals rewatch it he rarely hit jumpers at all in the Finals.

He did shut down Parker. You're acting as if he could have done more to prevent the game 1 game winner? He made him fumble it three times, fake it 3 times, etc. You can't blame a team, or a player when a lucky broken play is made by the other team.
Same goes with the 3 you're talking about that Parker hit over him. Bron played great defense, and it was even mentioned by both the commentators.

[Haks]

His defence is VERY overated but stats nerds will tell you otherwise

[plowking]

He was good in 4 game. I was talking about his performance overall for the first 5 games and 3 quarters wasn't good at all.

And like I said, he was bad for the first 3 quarters of game 6 and then finally turned things around in the 4th. He ended up 11-26 and that was after having a huge 4th. He was putrid the rest of the game.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend like he didn't dominate the end of Game 6/all of Game 7. Kudos to him for coming up huge when it mattered. My problem is that, like Swoosh said, he should have been doing that all series.

The Spurs will daring him, the best player in the world, to shoot wide open jumpers all series. And instead of capitalizing on that, he looked scared and intimidated at times during those first 5 and 3 quarters games.

Fortunately for him, he caught a break and was given a chance at redemption after Ray's miracle 3. He might not be so lucky next year if he continues to distrust his jumper like that.

I still think his game 1 was a good performance, just not viewed so due to the fact we lost. He was slightly passive, and I made comment about it after the game.

Swoosh is an ass that pushes BS myths and applauds himself with his alternate accounts. :oldlol: They weren't guarding him like game 7 the whole series. Pop took it to the extreme and really tried to throw him off. It didn't work.

It wasn't an all time great performance from Bron. But it speaks a lot when you have him put up 25/11/7 and still not call it a great performance. In the scope of things, those are some all time great numbers, but we consider it under par for Lebron.
Like I said, in the last 4 games, he was great to me. You don't average 32/10/7 and play bad.

[plowking]

His defence is VERY overated but stats nerds will tell you otherwise

Its all you Lebron haters can hang your hats on at this point.
There isn't a metric/particular way to discredit what you're saying, so you stick by this last thing. Hes a great defender, all time great.

Hes had no defensive anchor in the middle of the paint, and his teams are still one of the best team defenses in the game every year. Once you start looking at most of the facts, you get the sense that hes a very good defender.
Who in the Heat's current starting line up was considered a good defender before the big 3. It was only Wade and Bron. They anchor the defense, and Wade for one has never got his due as a great defender, when he in fact is.

[Haks]

Its all you Lebron haters can hang your hats on at this point.
There isn't a metric/particular way to discredit what you're saying, so you stick by this last thing. Hes a great defender, all time great.

Hes had no defensive anchor in the middle of the paint, and his teams are still one of the best team defenses in the game every year. Once you start looking at most of the facts, you get the sense that hes a very good defender.
Who in the Heat's current starting line up was considered a good defender before the big 3. It was only Wade and Bron. They anchor the defense, and Wade for one has never got his due as a great defender, when he in fact is.
Funny enough Lebron is one of my favorite players in the league lol
Anyway Lebron is a very good help defender and the heat as a whole player incredible TEAM defence but his induvidual man to man defence isnt any special...both PG and kawhi are better man to man defenders. The reason why I call him overated defensively is because I can name 10 better defenders of the top of my head.
Also Wade is a better man to man defender than Bron but hey you crazy stans are going to state his incredibly exhagerated versatilty

[Electric Slide]

Funny enough Lebron is one of my favorite players in the league lol
Anyway Lebron is a very good help defender and the heat as a whole player incredible TEAM defence but his induvidual man to man defence isnt any special...both PG and kawhi are better man to man defenders. The reason why I call him overated defensively is because I can name 10 better defenders of the top of my head.
Also Wade is a better man to man defender than Bron but hey you crazy stans are going to state his incredibly exhagerated versatilty
Ok, so you are not a hater, you are just plain stupid

that's not any better.

[Haks]

Ok, so you are not a hater, you are just plain stupid

that's not any better.
Better stupid than being Knicks fan

[LikeABosh]

His defence is VERY overated but stats nerds will tell you otherwise
His defence is elite and any one who knows shit about basketball and any coach in the league will tell you otherwise. No one cares what Lebron hating nerds like you think

[plowking]

Funny enough Lebron is one of my favorite players in the league lol
Anyway Lebron is a very good help defender and the heat as a whole player incredible TEAM defence but his induvidual man to man defence isnt any special...both PG and kawhi are better man to man defenders. The reason why I call him overated defensively is because I can name 10 better defenders of the top of my head.
Also Wade is a better man to man defender than Bron but hey you crazy stans are going to state his incredibly exhagerated versatilty

The only position Wade can guard better than Bron is SF. So no. That's the only one Bron struggles with too. Is his own position.

[LosScandalous]

LeBron gets hyped for guarding a guy for multiple possessions and "shutting him down" rather than a full game.

Overrated guarding 3's and 4's = no
Overrated guarding 1's and 2's = definatly, he gets beat off the drible way to much

Melo against Lebron in 2012 playoffs.

27.8 ppg / 8.2 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.2 spg on 41.9% FG

Regular season numbers for the season was 22.6 ppg / 6.3 rpg / 3.6 apg / 1.1 spg on 43.0% FG



Melo against George in 2013 playoffs

28.5 ppg / 7.8 rpg / 1.3 apg / 0.8 spg on 43.3% FG

Regular season numbers for the season was 28.7 ppg / 6.9 rpg / 2.6 apg / 0.8 spg on 44.9% FG

Melo had considerably worst regular season stats in 12' yet went on to play better vs James than he did vs George this year.

Durant in the finals vs Lebron and Miami

31 ppg / 6 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.4 spg / 1.0 bpg on 55% FG

That's 3 more ppg on 5% FG better than his regular season numbers and 2.5 ppg on 3% FG better than his overall playoffs that year. I really don't see this as a big deal considering Carmelo and Durant are some of the best scorers in the league. take it how you want it i guess.

"but lebron shut down rose!"

But no he really didn't... The Bulls had limited offensive weapons and Rose was set up on isolation vs zone situations with LeBron on an island at the end of each game, and when he blew by LeBron he faced a double team/help defense (once again this wasn't the entire game) The exact same situations appeared for Jason Terry in the finals and he exposed LeBron. Just watch game 4 when the Mavs we're up 2-1, heat we're up 9 in the 4th but blew it because LeBron was getting sodomized by Terry and Spoelstra even bitched to LeBron about it.

So to answer the big question. Is LeBron an overrated defender?!? depends on who's rating him.

[aj1987]

LeBron gets hyped for guarding a guy for multiple possessions and "shutting him down" rather than a full game.

Overrated guarding 3's and 4's = no
Overrated guarding 1's and 2's = definatly, he gets beat off the drible way to much

Melo against Lebron in 2012 playoffs.

27.8 ppg / 8.2 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.2 spg on 41.9% FG

Regular season numbers for the season was 22.6 ppg / 6.3 rpg / 3.6 apg / 1.1 spg on 43.0% FG



Melo against George in 2013 playoffs

28.5 ppg / 7.8 rpg / 1.3 apg / 0.8 spg on 43.3% FG

Regular season numbers for the season was 28.7 ppg / 6.9 rpg / 2.6 apg / 0.8 spg on 44.9% FG

Melo had considerably worst regular season stats in 12' yet went on to play better vs James than he did vs George this year.

Durant in the finals vs Lebron and Miami

31 ppg / 6 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.4 spg / 1.0 bpg on 55% FG

That's 3 more ppg on 5% FG better than his regular season numbers and 2.5 ppg on 3% FG better than his overall playoffs that year. I really don't see this as a big deal considering Carmelo and Durant are some of the best scorers in the league. take it how you want it i guess.

"but lebron shut down rose!"

But no he really didn't... The Bulls had limited offensive weapons and Rose was set up on isolation vs zone situations with LeBron on an islant at the end of each game, and when he blew by LeBron he faced a double team/help defense (once again this wasn't the entire game) The exact same situations appeared for Jason Terry in the finals and he exposed LeBron. Just watch game 4 when the Mavs we're up 2-1, heat we're up 9 in the 4th but blew it because LeBron was getting sodomized by Terry and Spoelstra even bitched to LeBron about it.

So to answer the big question. Is LeBron an overrated defender?!? depends on who's rating him.
He didn't guard either of them through the series. He was on them mostly during the 4th quarters.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/4/4063102/lebron-james-defense-carmelo-anthony-heat-knicks

[LosScandalous]

more from a 2013 article


Lebron holds opposing small forwards to a nice rating of 12.6 PER, and power forwards to 17.6 PER. But how does this compare to Tony Allen, who holds shooting guards to 12.6 PER and small forwards to 15.6 PER? How about to George, who holds SGs to 12.9 and SFs to 10.9? How about to Sefolosha who holds SGs to 13.1 PER, and SFs to 12.1 PER? How about Garnett who holds PFs to 15.4, and centers to 15.8 PER?

[QUOTE][B]Dwyane Wade

[plowking]

Lebron probably does his best work guarding PG's and SG's. He guards PF's very well too.
SF's is what he struggles with. Quick steps, not much dribbling, and use of jab steps to create space. Most of the PG's and SG's overdribble these days and that suits Bron. Plus his length bothers them.

Its why Bron had such trouble with George. He doesn't have some wide variety of moves to hit you with on the dribble. He gets the ball and makes a move, or he uses his quick first step.

[LosScandalous]

He didn't guard either of them through the series. He was on them mostly during the 4th quarters.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/4/4063102/lebron-james-defense-carmelo-anthony-heat-knicks

Well that is some chicken shit, that makes him a bigger overrated defender.

[plowking]

more from a 2013 article





LeBron is the most versatile defender today but he's definatly no DPOY contender :no:

There are other articles that show Lebron defends the pick and roll better than Tony Allen, and defends the post up better than any of those players.

Not to mention the article doesn't mention the caliber of player each is picking up every time. PER differential should be the main statistic used if you wanted to see defensive impact.

[LosScandalous]

There are other articles that show Lebron defends the pick and roll better than Tony Allen, and defends the post up better than any of those players.

Not to mention the article doesn't mention the caliber of player each is picking up every time. PER differential should be the main statistic used if you wanted to see defensive impact.

Take it how you see it these are still facts.

[plowking]

Take it how you see it these are still facts.

Facts are not as useful without all context.

[LosScandalous]

Facts are not as useful without all context.

you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

[Smoke117]

I am not a Lebron fan but NOT ONE PERSON HAS SAID WHY HE IS OVVERRATED AS A DEFENDER besides they hate him and say "omg he cant defend 1 on1" or "he sucks one on one, but is a great team/help defender) which means a lot to me but nobody else? I'm not a Lebron fan, but why do you put this hate on this man? Do you have nothing better to do? Shit I have nothing to do, but I don't fill it picking apart Lebron James...Move on. :lol

[plowking]

you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

Well he keeps getting votes for that DPOY trophy. So I guess I'm not the only one that thinks hes a great defender and delusional in that case.

[jimmy77x]

http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Forum/A%20guy%20bumps%20a%20woman%20on%20the%20bus%20wit h%20his%20fat%20gut.gif

[zoom17]

http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Forum/A%20guy%20bumps%20a%20woman%20on%20the%20bus%20wit h%20his%20fat%20gut.gif
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Greg Oden 50]

LeBron is the most overrated player ever :rockon:

[Greg Oden 50]

Well he keeps getting votes for that DPOY trophy. So I guess I'm not the only one that thinks hes a great defender and delusional in that case.

becuase he is David Stern's BABE,so he can get all the hype like Kobe did :roll:

LeBron would not BE STAR IF HE PLAYS IN 90s

[Greg Oden 50]

I am not a Lebron fan but NOT ONE PERSON HAS SAID WHY HE IS OVVERRATED AS A DEFENDER besides they hate him and say "omg he cant defend 1 on1" or "he sucks one on one, but is a great team/help defender) which means a lot to me but nobody else? I'm not a Lebron fan, but why do you put this hate on this man? Do you have nothing better to do? Shit I have nothing to do, but I don't fill it picking apart Lebron James...Move on. :lol

LeBron's fans said he is not a LeBron's fans,IS IT A JOKE :facepalm

[russwest0]

LeBron gets hyped for guarding a guy for multiple possessions and "shutting him down" rather than a full game.

Overrated guarding 3's and 4's = no
Overrated guarding 1's and 2's = definatly, he gets beat off the drible way to much

Melo against Lebron in 2012 playoffs.

27.8 ppg / 8.2 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.2 spg on 41.9% FG

Regular season numbers for the season was 22.6 ppg / 6.3 rpg / 3.6 apg / 1.1 spg on 43.0% FG



Melo against George in 2013 playoffs

28.5 ppg / 7.8 rpg / 1.3 apg / 0.8 spg on 43.3% FG

Regular season numbers for the season was 28.7 ppg / 6.9 rpg / 2.6 apg / 0.8 spg on 44.9% FG

Melo had considerably worst regular season stats in 12' yet went on to play better vs James than he did vs George this year.

Durant in the finals vs Lebron and Miami

31 ppg / 6 rpg / 2.2 apg / 1.4 spg / 1.0 bpg on 55% FG

That's 3 more ppg on 5% FG better than his regular season numbers and 2.5 ppg on 3% FG better than his overall playoffs that year. I really don't see this as a big deal considering Carmelo and Durant are some of the best scorers in the league. take it how you want it i guess.

"but lebron shut down rose!"

But no he really didn't... The Bulls had limited offensive weapons and Rose was set up on isolation vs zone situations with LeBron on an island at the end of each game, and when he blew by LeBron he faced a double team/help defense (once again this wasn't the entire game) The exact same situations appeared for Jason Terry in the finals and he exposed LeBron. Just watch game 4 when the Mavs we're up 2-1, heat we're up 9 in the 4th but blew it because LeBron was getting sodomized by Terry and Spoelstra even bitched to LeBron about it.

So to answer the big question. Is LeBron an overrated defender?!? depends on who's rating him.

This post was gold. Said what I intended when making this thread.

[russwest0]

These last posts by LosScandalous show exactly what my thoughts are on LBJ being overrated. He in no way should be in the DPOY discussion. Get outta here with that shit

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These last posts by LosScandalous show exactly what my thoughts are on LBJ being overrated. He in no way should be in the DPOY discussion. Get outta here with that shit

:facepalm :facepalm

[Le Shaqtus]

:facepalm :facepalm

Another Apr 2013 LeBron nutgobbler.

They're coming in droves.

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Another Apr 2013 LeBron nutgobbler.

They're coming in droves.

:biggums: You better get used to it lebron will be running the NBA for years to come:lol

[Lebron23]

Russell Westbrick.

[Le Shaqtus]

:biggums: You better get used to it lebron will be running the NBA for years to come:lol

I didn't say he wouldn't, and I expect him to, I have nothing against him :confusedshrug:

Doesn't mean you're not gobbling up his nuts like a cheap whore.

[zoom17]

I didn't say he wouldn't, and I expect him to, I have nothing against him :confusedshrug:

Doesn't mean you're not gobbling up his nuts like a cheap whore.

And what are kobe stans doing way worse than lebron fans:rockon:

[Le Shaqtus]

And what are kobe stans doing way worse than lebron fans:rockon:

I'll take Kobe stans any day over you sad bunch :lol at least they're funny.

[diamenz]

I'll take Kobe stans any day over you sad bunch :lol at least they're funny.

for realz. lebron stans are the worst... lock 'em up and throw away the key.

[riseagainst]

not ever, but currently in the NBA, yes.

[SamuraiSWISH]

His defense on Rose in the 2011 ECF is taken totally out of context, and is completely overrated.

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His defense on Rose in the 2011 ECF is taken totally out of context, and is completely overrated.

He made Rose Shit his pants and you know it:lol :lol

[funnystuff]

His defense on Rose in the 2011 ECF is taken totally out of context, and is completely overrated.
He shot 6% when Lebron was guarding him in the ECF. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Sakkreth]

His defense on Rose in the 2011 ECF is taken totally out of context, and is completely overrated.

He just straight up completely shut him down, there is no way around it, you like it or not.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

This SamuraiSwish dude is so deluded. Lebron owning Rose in the playoffs is the main reason people call Rose one of the worst MVPs ever.

[Element]

Lmao LeStans propping up the 2013 Finals for LeBron

Allow me to quote someone from RealGm. Dude deserves a trophy or something


2010 Finals were a drought? FYI, he averaged 29 @ 56 TS% prior to Game 7, without stat padding in blowouts like some other recent FMVP did this year...and even after Game 7 his overall averages were 28@52. LeBron averaged 25ppg @ 53 TS% against a Spurs team that was leaving him open and on an island with Leonard and Boris Diaw.

You want specifics? Aight:

Game 2: LeBron finishes with 7/17 shooting, 3/13 prior to a fourth quarter during which the game was decided and Duncan played like 2 minutes in. Nice stat padding, he finished with 9 of his 17 points during that ultra significant period that Pops didn't even bother to play his starters in.

Game 3 was over with 5:30 mins left in the 3rd as Neal makes a jumper and SA extends leads 64-52, blowing the floodgates open and leading 71-52 just a few minutes after that. MIA never cut the deficit any lower than 12 and were hovering around a 8-10 point deficit before the s.hitstorm. Let's see LeBron before and after the 5:30 minute mark of the 3rd.

AFTER the game was decided: 5/11 for 11 points

BEFORE San Antonio started launching the lead into another stratosphere: 2/10 for 4 points

Game 4, LeBron plays very well but not really "dominant" by any means as D-Wade leads the charge for Miami. With San Antonio looking to come back early in the 4th with an 8 point deficit, D-Wade goes on a rampage and scores 10 of his 32, racks up 2 of his 5 steals and assists on one play to put the Heat up 15 and leave the game for good. LeBron comes and goes 4/5 for 9 points, none of those points coming with a Heat lead lower than 12. He played great before that, too, but it was just another example of blatant stat padding.

Basically, LeBron was 13/20 for 29 points in garbage time. Q.E.D. dude's a stat padder and there's no point trying to refute it. GJ LeBron! :clap:

LeBron in the 2013 Finals:

25.3 ppg @ .447 FG% (9.6/21.4)

LeBron's stat padding per game:

29 pts / 7 (games) = 4.1 ppg
13 FGM / 7 = 1.8 FGM
20 FGA / 7 = 2.8 FGA

65 FG%

LeBron's scoring without the stat-padding:

21.2 ppg @ .419 FG% (7.8/18.6)


This, LeStans and gentlemen, is just average and pretty awful for any superstar.

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Lmao LeStans propping up the 2013 Finals for LeBron

Allow me to quote someone from RealGm. Dude deserves a trophy or something



LeBron in the 2013 Finals:

25.3 ppg @ .447 FG% (9.6/21.4)

LeBron's stat padding per game:

29 pts / 7 (games) = 4.1 ppg
13 FGM / 7 = 1.8 FGM
20 FGA / 7 = 2.8 FGA

65 FG%

LeBron's scoring without the stat-padding:

21.2 ppg @ .419 FG% (7.8/18.6)


This, LeStans and gentlemen, is just average and pretty awful for any superstar.

lol whats the point of this lebron owns rose and the league ladies and gentlemen Lebron owns this league and your a queer lol

[funnystuff]

Lmao LeStans propping up the 2013 Finals for LeBron

Allow me to quote someone from RealGm. Dude deserves a trophy or something



LeBron in the 2013 Finals:

25.3 ppg @ .447 FG% (9.6/21.4)

LeBron's stat padding per game:

29 pts / 7 (games) = 4.1 ppg
13 FGM / 7 = 1.8 FGM
20 FGA / 7 = 2.8 FGA

65 FG%

LeBron's scoring without the stat-padding:

21.2 ppg @ .419 FG% (7.8/18.6)


This, LeStans and gentlemen, is just average and pretty awful for any superstar.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Reeeeeaching. :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

Lmao LeStans propping up the 2013 Finals for LeBron

Allow me to quote someone from RealGm. Dude deserves a trophy or something



LeBron in the 2013 Finals:

25.3 ppg @ .447 FG% (9.6/21.4)

LeBron's stat padding per game:

29 pts / 7 (games) = 4.1 ppg
13 FGM / 7 = 1.8 FGM
20 FGA / 7 = 2.8 FGA

65 FG%

LeBron's scoring without the stat-padding:

21.2 ppg @ .419 FG% (7.8/18.6)


This, LeStans and gentlemen, is just average and pretty awful for any superstar.
Damn, this post is so full of lies and half-truths :eek:

[Element]

Damn, this post is so full of lies and half-truths :eek:

How so? The numbers are explained in the post that I quoted.

For reference, Kobe without garbage time in the 2010 Finals averages 26 ppg @ 44 FG%

There only really was garbage time in games 1 (after 3rd Q) and 6 (since half) and Kobe didn't play a lot in the blowout game 2 due to foul trouble. And the only shots he even attempted in garbage time were bailout threes and long twos with a short shot clock (if he even played unlike Bron who played full mins in garbage time). LeBrick got like 6-8 layups against a Spurs lineup that featured Diaw and Splitter

LeBron's eyes flared up in the garbage time of the 2013 Finals. One of the biggest stat padding acts I've seen.

[Trollsmasher]

How so? The numbers are explained in the post that I quoted.

For reference, Kobe without garbage time in the 2010 Finals averages 26 ppg @ 44 FG%

There only really was garbage time in games 1 (after 3rd Q) and 6 (since half) and Kobe didn't play a lot in the blowout game 2 due to foul trouble. And the only shots he even attempted in garbage time were bailout threes and long twos with a short shot clock (if he even played unlike Bron who played full mins in garbage time). LeBrick got like 6-8 layups against a Spurs lineup that featured Diaw and Splitter

LeBron's eyes flared up in the garbage time of the 2013 Finals. One of the biggest stat padding acts I've seen.
I am talking about the post you quoted. Just a super biased view of events. I could say that half of those shots mentioned weren't in garbage time.

[jimmy77x]

Gut feeling, Lehype will be given another unearned reward. The writing is already on the wall. From game 1 vs the bulls we will have to endure the Lebron slob fest from BSPN/media, on how he's such a great defender. Predictable nba got to keep building the resume of their poster boy.

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP still angry KD will be leaving s,hithole OKC in the near future.

[aj1987]

I am talking about the post you quoted. Just a super biased view of events. I could say that half of those shots mentioned weren't in garbage time.
Also, Miami won games with bigger deficits that that game 3. Down 12 with 5:30 left in the 3rd and the idiot (and I really do mean it) who wrote it calls the points scored since as padded stats? :facepalm