Team USA may not even win Team Europe. Much less Team World (w/o US).

[tgan3]

Team Europe-

Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Luol Deng
Tony Parker
Vasillis Spanoulis
Dimitris Diamantidis
Juan Carlos Navarro
Bo Mccaleb
Nenad Kristic
Erazem Lorbak
....+ others

Edit: Add in Noah and Ibaka like someone else mentioned

If Team world add in guys like Nene, Varejao, Ginobili, Scola etc...Heck, i'll ask a retired Yao Ming to join in the fun.

US Basketball is not as dominant as it was as in the original dream team, where they will even win if vs the world team then.

[CanYouDigIt]

Euroleague is that you? :biggums:

[Trollsmasher]

Team Europe-

Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Luol Deng
Tony Parker
Vasillis Spanoulis
Dimitris Diamantidis
Juan Carlos Navarro
Bo Mccaleb
Nenad Kristic
Erazem Lorbak
....+ others

If Team world add in guys like Nene, Varejao, Ginobili, Scola etc...Heck, i'll ask a retired Yao Ming to join in the fun.

US Basketball is not as dominant as it was as in the original dream team, where they will even win if vs the world team then.
:biggums:

[Real Men Wear Green]

If that world team got hot they could win but Team USA would still have far more talent. After Parker none of those guys would even be considered for our roster.

[avonbarksdale]

cp3/rondo
kobe/wade
lebron/durant
melo
dwight

[chosen_one6]

Team Europe-

Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Luol Deng
Tony Parker
Vasillis Spanoulis
Dimitris Diamantidis
Juan Carlos Navarro
Bo Mccaleb
Nenad Kristic
Erazem Lorbak
....+ others

If Team world add in guys like Nene, Varejao, Ginobili, Scola etc...Heck, i'll ask a retired Yao Ming to join in the fun.

US Basketball is not as dominant as it was as in the original dream team, where they will even win if vs the world team then.

Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade/Paul George/James Harden
LeBron James/Kevin Durant/Carmelo
Chris Bosh/Kevin Love/Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez/Roy Hibbert/Tyson Chandler

You were saying?

[seanclayton]

1st Round Exit in the NBA. :applause:

[RichieW]

Add in Ibaka and Noah. Team Europe would kill US up front

[Real Men Wear Green]

Then how is it that the USA team only slightly won team Spain in the 2012 Olympics? If players from just one country in Europe could already "hang around" with the Americans, much less Team World which I believe will soundly win Team USA.
Because basketball is a team game. Spain's guys have been together a long time and play great together. Making a team of World All-Stars would introduce the problem team USA had pre-Coach K of a bunch of guys that didn't play together much at all (there would be exceptions like the Gasols of course) and thus don't have much chemistry.

[Real Men Wear Green]

USA Basketball is great, I love USA Basketball but to say the USA team has far more talent then World team is a stretch too far. Comparing their youths, in the recent Nike Hoop Summit, Team World soundly beat Team USA (They did it the previous year too, so its not a fluke)
That's a bunch of high school kids. I don't know much about our own teens let alone those in other countries so I have no comment on that. I'm just talking about the fact that if we make a list of the 20 best players in the world you will probably see 15+ Americans. That means we still have a lot more talent.

[tgan3]

Because basketball is a team game. Spain's guys have been together a long time and play great together. Making a team of World All-Stars would introduce the problem team USA had pre-Coach K of a bunch of guys that didn't play together much at all (there would be exceptions like the Gasols of course) and thus don't have much chemistry.

Then how is it the World Team win the USA team in the Nike Hoop Summit twice consecutively? Face it, the world is catching up.

On a country to country level USA is still No.1. But its not longer dominant like China in Table Tennis or New Zealand in Rugby for example where you can get the best players all over the world vs their national players and still lose.

Its like Brazil with soccer awhile ago, Brazil was the undisputed best, but not now.

[tgan3]

That's a bunch of high school kids. I don't know much about our own teens let alone those in other countries so I have no comment on that. I'm just talking about the fact that if we make a list of the 20 best players in the world you will probably see 15+ Americans. That means we still have a lot more talent.

These are the best high school kids respectively. These american high school kids will in time grow up and play for their national team (At least their stars), same for the World Team.

If the World Team youths are able to beat Team USA now, what makes you think in the future they can't?

[Real Men Wear Green]

the world is catching up.
I wouldn't argue with that but it will be decades still before basketball has parity like soccer.

[Real Men Wear Green]

These are the best high school kids respectively. These american high school kids will in time grow up and play for their national team (At least their stars), same for the World Team.

If the World Team youths are able to beat Team USA now, what makes you think in the future they can't?
I didn't say that. But it won't matter because everyone will play for their country, not some world team.

[The JKidd Kid]

Chris Paul/ Deron Williams/ Derrick Rose
Kobe Bryant/ Dwayne Wade
Lebron James/ Kevin Durant/ Paul George
Carmelo Anthony/ Kevin Love
Dwight Howard/ Brook Lopez

Vs. Parker, Noah, Marc and some scrubs :roll: :roll: :roll:

[iamgine]

Then how is it the World Team win the USA team in the Nike Hoop Summit twice consecutively? Face it, the world is catching up.

On a country to country level USA is still No.1. But its not longer dominant like China in Table Tennis or New Zealand in Rugby for example where you can get the best players all over the world vs their national players and still lose.

Its like Brazil with soccer awhile ago, Brazil was the undisputed best, but not now.
The world is catching up but Team USA is still too dominant.

[Nero Tulip]

Europe would win a 7 game series, but it wouldn't be a sweep. But ultimately they would be too dominant inside, and have much better shooting.

But that's pretty normal IMO. Basketball is relatively popular in Europe, and if you add every country in the continent you're starting to get a pool of players that is close to America. And Americans start with a disadvantage because everyone knows they are fat and stupid.

[Sakkreth]

Well yeah europe would currently win vs usa, but it's because of lack of american bigs, well europe has better shooting aswell. But USA is still better than any other country.

PG - Tony is as good as any other pg currently.
PG - Wade/Kobe combo is still ahead of anything europe can throw at them at sg position, but would have to use wade most of the time due to his defense.
SF - LeBron plays at SF and it's biggest missmatch.
PF - europe advantage slightly, usa can use durant here but he's not the toughest big guy and usa already lacks that under the baskets compared to eu.
C - Advantage europe.

So yeah that goes slightly into europe's favor taking into account that europe would definetly have better ball mvoement and team play, also usa lacks bigs. Sure usa could win when LeBron or maybe someone else gets crazy night, but most of the tiem it wouldn't happen. Maybe there is more overall talent on usa side, but team u could put up doesn't really match well with what europe could put up.

[CeltsGarlic]

Europe would win a 7 game series, but it wouldn't be a sweep. But ultimately they would be too dominant inside, and have much better shooting.

But that's pretty normal IMO. Basketball is relatively popular in Europe, and if you add every country in the continent you're starting to get a pool of players that is close to America. And Americans start with a disadvantage because everyone knows they are fat and stupid.

:lol

[Trollsmasher]

Give me LeBron and Heat's bench against Europe...:facepalm

[alenleomessi]

not sure why you people have tony parker as the starter, bo mccalebb is better than him, and he will prove it at the eurobasket in september

no one on the usa can guard him, he murdered rajon rondo when fenerbahce played the celtics.

[scm5]

Well yeah europe would currently win vs usa, but it's because of lack of american bigs, well europe has better shooting aswell. But USA is still better than any other country.

PG - Tony is as good as any other pg currently.
PG - Wade/Kobe combo is still ahead of anything europe can throw at them at sg position, but would have to use wade most of the time due to his defense.
SF - LeBron plays at SF and it's biggest missmatch.
PF - europe advantage slightly, usa can use durant here but he's not the toughest big guy and usa already lacks that under the baskets compared to eu.
C - Advantage europe.

So yeah that goes slightly into europe's favor taking into account that europe would definetly have better ball mvoement and team play, also usa lacks bigs. Sure usa could win when LeBron or maybe someone else gets crazy night, but most of the tiem it wouldn't happen. Maybe there is more overall talent on usa side, but team u could put up doesn't really match well with what europe could put up.

PG: USA by far. CP3 is still better than TP and having Westbrook backing him up is better than anything the rest of the world can offer. Plus, in international play, Curry would be amazing with his shooting.

SG: Kobe/Wade/Harden. Pick any of the three and it's GG.

SF: I would run Durant here to start, and start Lebron at the 4. Lebron could take a break when Melo/Love come on, or slide over to the 3 to give Durant a break. Lebron/Durant/Melo are all pretty versatile in international play.

PF: Lebron. He is so versatile and in international play, I wouldn't mind running him at the 4 most of the time. His post moves have improved a lot. Kevin Love and Melo would both also be amazing options at the 4.

C: As much as I hate Dwight as a person, he's still the best C the league has to offer. We downplay how good he is because of his personality, but the truth is, he's still the best Center in the pack. He's also the quickest and one of the strongest, and that matters a lot in international play. As far as backups, Chris Bosh and KG are amazing options.

[bmd]

These are the best high school kids respectively. These american high school kids will in time grow up and play for their national team (At least their stars), same for the World Team.

If the World Team youths are able to beat Team USA now, what makes you think in the future they can't?They are not the best American players. One of my friends who was on my high school team played on the U18 USA basketball team. He was a good player who ended up starting at a good PAC-10 school... but he wasn't a top player in the country.

[All Net]

Add in Ibaka and Noah. Team Europe would kill US up front

Since when did those guys kill anybody defensively?

[Unbiased_one]

Team Europe-

Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Luol Deng
Tony Parker
Vasillis Spanoulis
Dimitris Diamantidis
Juan Carlos Navarro
Bo Mccaleb
Nenad Kristic
Erazem Lorbak
....+ others

Edit: Add in Noah and Ibaka like someone else mentioned

If Team world add in guys like Nene, Varejao, Ginobili, Scola etc...Heck, i'll ask a retired Yao Ming to join in the fun.

US Basketball is not as dominant as it was as in the original dream team, where they will even win if vs the world team then.

The Olympic basketball team isn't really the best team that the US could field...if they wanted the best team they would pick a more balanced outfit that would play together a bit better.

[alexthegr8]

These are the best high school kids respectively. These american high school kids will in time grow up and play for their national team (At least their stars), same for the World Team.

If the World Team youths are able to beat Team USA now, what makes you think in the future they can't?

Those Hoop Summit games and games like it are played like glorified all-star games by our kids. There is no sense of urgency to win those games because no one over here really cares about them. Those games were created so that scouts from college and pro teams could identify and/or evaluate INDIVIDUAL talent from here and abroad. The only international basketball competition anyone in America cares about is the Olympics.

[Euroleague]

Anyone that says Team USA would be better than Team Europe is a troll.

USA struggled just to beat Spain and Lithuania. A Team Europe would beat Team USA without much problem at all.

[Unbiased_one]

Anyone that says Team USA would be better than Team Europe is a troll.

USA struggled just to beat Spain and Lithuania. A Team Europe would beat Team USA without much problem at all.

Greece lost to Nigeria, who lost to the USA by 80.

The USA could start a 5 like paul/LeBron/Durant/bosh/howard which would mash anything Europe could put out.

[Jon_Koncak]

PF - europe advantage slightly, usa can use durant here but he's not the toughest big guy and usa already lacks that under the baskets compared to eu.
C - Advantage europe.
.


Lol,have you watched Durant absolutely murder international competition in 2010 and 2012 playing as pf.And Europe has the slight advantage?Who's gonna stop him,Erazem Lorbek?:lol

Also ridiculous claiming that team Europe would be a better shooting team when Usa could potentially feature Durant and Curry.

[bmd]

Anyone that says Team USA would be better than Team Europe is a troll.

USA struggled just to beat Spain and Lithuania. A Team Europe would beat Team USA without much problem at all.Greece is the worst basketball team in the history of civilization.

[Unbiased_one]

Lol,have you watched Durant absolutely murder international competition in 2010 and 2012 playing as pf.And Europe has the slight advantage?Who's gonna stop him,Erazem Lorbek?:lol

Also ridiculous claiming that team Europe would be a better shooting team when Usa could potentially feature Durant and Curry.

Don't forget bosh...he is a midrange beast now.

[Jon_Koncak]

true forgot Bosh

my 12 would be

Paul/Westbrook
Wade/Curry/Harden
Lebron/Melo
Durant/Bosh/Love
Duncan/Hibbert

[fatboy11]

I'm aware they have dual citizenship, but Bo McCalebb and Joakim Noah are Americans.

And that team still wouldn't beat America's best.

[Euroleague]

Lol,have you watched Durant absolutely murder international competition in 2010 and 2012 playing as pf.And Europe has the slight advantage?Who's gonna stop him,Erazem Lorbek?:lol

Also ridiculous claiming that team Europe would be a better shooting team when Usa could potentially feature Durant and Curry.

Team Europe would beat Team USA EASILY. Stop trolling my friend.

[Euroleague]

I'm aware they have dual citizenship, but Bo McCalebb and Joakim Noah are Americans.

And that team still wouldn't beat America's best.

Neither Noah nor McCalebb should even be on Team Europe's best 12 anyway.

Guys like Bourousis, Tomic, Teodosic, etc. are better than they are and not even being listed here.

[alexthegr8]

Europe would win a 7 game series, but it wouldn't be a sweep. But ultimately they would be too dominant inside, and have much better shooting.

But that's pretty normal IMO. Basketball is relatively popular in Europe, and if you add every country in the continent you're starting to get a pool of players that is close to America. And Americans start with a disadvantage because everyone knows they are fat and stupid.

Americans are so fat and stupid that we invented the airplane and modern computers and innumerable technological and medical advancements the world uses presently, we have the largest economy in the world, we just departed what people the world around describe as the American Century, we created the closest thing approximating world government in existence, we helped create the IMF, the World Bank and innumerable other institutions that serve as civilizational pillars for modern society the world over, we also have the largest number of prestigious universities located in one country including some of the leading research institutions in the world, we are home to the most famous technological sector/region in the world, we are the world leader in social innovation including helping create the modern Internet, virtually every social network that you use today (twitter, Facebook, Instagram, tumblr, search engines etc.), and I could go on and on. Pretty decent list of accomplishments from a nation of stupid people.

In terms of athletic achievement, we dominate the Olympics every four years (most gold medals and most overall medals in London last year), we have produced the vast majority of the world's modern iconic sports figures from Ali to Jordan to Tiger Woods etc. The world's second most popular sport was created here (albeit by a Canadian national, although it should be noted that he was commissioned to create the game by an American and all of the major advancements to the sport were made by Americans from the shot clock to the three point line etc.), we have the greatest collection of major sports leagues of any country in the world, etc. And oh yeah, an American (Jesse Owens) shit on muthafreakin Hitler IN GERMANY in his country's Olympics. Pretty decent list of accomplishments from a nation of fat people.

[Euroleague]

Americans are so fat and stupid that we invented the airplane and modern computers and innumerable technological and medical advancements the world uses presently, we have the largest economy in the world, we just departed what people the world around describe as the American Century, we created the closest thing approximating world government in existence, we helped create the IMF, the World Bank and innumerable other institutions that serve as civilizational pillars for modern society the world over, we also have the largest number of prestigious universities located in one country including some of the leading research institutions in the world, we are home to the most famous technological sector/region in the world, we are the world leader in social innovation including helping create the modern Internet, virtually every social network that you use today (twitter, Facebook, Instagram, tumblr, search engines etc.), and I could go on and on. Pretty decent list of accomplishments from a nation of stupid people.

In terms of athletic achievement, we dominate the Olympics every four years (most gold medals and most overall medals in London last year), we have produced the vast majority of the world's modern iconic sports figures from Ali to Jordan to Tiger Woods etc. The world's second most popular sport was created here (albeit by a Canadian national, although it should be noted that he was commissioned to create the game by an American and all of the major advancements to the sport were made by Americans from the shot clock to the three point line etc.), we have the greatest collection of major sports leagues of any country in the world, etc. And oh yeah, an American (Jesse Owens) shit on muthafreakin Hitler IN GERMANY in his country's Olympics. Pretty decent list of accomplishments from a nation of fat people.

Keep the propagandist fascist nationalistic zealotry to yourself a-hole.

[Sakkreth]

Lol,have you watched Durant absolutely murder international competition in 2010 and 2012 playing as pf.And Europe has the slight advantage?Who's gonna stop him,Erazem Lorbek?:lol

Also ridiculous claiming that team Europe would be a better shooting team when Usa could potentially feature Durant and Curry.

I wanna see him defend Dirk or Pau. Best european teams usually has better shooting when they meet usa so that's hardly an argument.

[Unbiased_one]

true forgot Bosh

my 12 would be

Paul/Westbrook
Wade/Curry/Harden
Lebron/Melo
Durant/Bosh/Love
Duncan/Hibbert

I wouldn't take harden or melo...not good enough defensively and not particularly efficient on the offensive end. I'd probably take paul george over melo, and possibly a defensive guard like tony allen or avery Bradley (or play George at SG and take iguodala)

[Unbiased_one]

Neither Noah nor McCalebb should even be on Team Europe's best 12 anyway.

Guys like Bourousis, Tomic, Teodosic, etc. are better than they are and not even being listed here.

Who would you pick for the Europe team that supposedly would beat the following US squad:

PG: Paul/Westbrook
SG: Wade/Curry/George
SF: Lebron/Durant/Iguodala
PF: Bosh/Love
C: Howard/Duncan

[Jon_Koncak]

I wanna see him defend Dirk or Pau. Best european teams usually has better shooting when they meet usa so that's hardly an argument.

And i wanna see Dirk and Pau defend Durant..Tell me which european players right now are better shooters than Durant and Curry.

[alexthegr8]

Keep the propagandist fascist nationalistic zealotry to yourself a-hole.

First go eat a dick. When you finish come back here, discern the context of my post and apologize.

I'm not nationalistic, jingoistic etc. I love the various societies of the world, I travel quite often for work and pleasure and I respect the contributions from every society worldwide, but if you try to shit on my country unfairly with stereotypes and platitudes, there will be a response forthcoming from me. Notice that I didn't shit on the guy whose post I quoted country or anything like that, I just defended my own.

[Jon_Koncak]

In 2012 Olympics USA shot 44% from the 3point line while making 16 threes per game.they were the best shooting team by far.For comparison Lithuania shot 36% but making olny 6.3 threes per game.Spain shot 33%.And all this without Stephen Curry.But go ahead and tell us how team europe would shoot better.

[ZHAKIDD532]

That's some idiotic logic.

- Europe was no where near at good at basketball back in the early 90's. The Dream Team had no competition.

- Even so, you're telling me if all 200+ other countries put their best players together they might be able to compete with the US? What's the big deal?

[bmd]

In 2012 Olympics USA shot 44% from the 3point line while making 16 threes per game.they were the best shooting team by far.For comparison Lithuania shot 36% but making olny 6.3 threes per game.Spain shot 33%.And all this without Stephen Curry.But go ahead and tell us how team europe would shoot better./ thread. Add Curry and that percentage goes even higher.

[Nero Tulip]

Americans are so fat and stupid that we invented the airplane and modern computers and innumerable technological and medical advancements the world uses presently, we have the largest economy in the world, we just departed what people the world around describe as the American Century, we created the closest thing approximating world government in existence, we helped create the IMF, the World Bank and innumerable other institutions that serve as civilizational pillars for modern society the world over, we also have the largest number of prestigious universities located in one country including some of the leading research institutions in the world, we are home to the most famous technological sector/region in the world, we are the world leader in social innovation including helping create the modern Internet, virtually every social network that you use today (twitter, Facebook, Instagram, tumblr, search engines etc.), and I could go on and on. Pretty decent list of accomplishments from a nation of stupid people.

In terms of athletic achievement, we dominate the Olympics every four years (most gold medals and most overall medals in London last year), we have produced the vast majority of the world's modern iconic sports figures from Ali to Jordan to Tiger Woods etc. The world's second most popular sport was created here (albeit by a Canadian national, although it should be noted that he was commissioned to create the game by an American and all of the major advancements to the sport were made by Americans from the shot clock to the three point line etc.), we have the greatest collection of major sports leagues of any country in the world, etc. And oh yeah, an American (Jesse Owens) shit on muthafreakin Hitler IN GERMANY in his country's Olympics. Pretty decent list of accomplishments from a nation of fat people.

Computers and airplanes were both European inventions.

TRY HARDER REDNECK

[Sakkreth]

In 2012 Olympics USA shot 44% from the 3point line while making 16 threes per game.they were the best shooting team by far.For comparison Lithuania shot 36% but making olny 6.3 threes per game.Spain shot 33%.And all this without Stephen Curry.But go ahead and tell us how team europe would shoot better.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1065

I take 59/44/73 vs 44/30/61.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1172

And 49/37/84 vs 49/41/77 is quite similar.


Reason USA had such good 3pt numbers in the tournament was the fact that they did feel like they needed to play at full speed vs nigeria when they lead by 50 and Nigeria didn't even try. They shot 29/46 3pt against them, but sorry Nigeria isn't European team, Lithuania and Spain are.
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1062

[bmd]

Computers and airplanes were both European inventions.

TRY HARDER REDNECKThat's wrong. The ENIAC is the first electronic computer and it was developed by the U.S. military.


The American Wright Brothers were the first to successfully make an airplane.

[Unbiased_one]

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1065

I take 59/44/73 vs 44/30/61.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1172

And 49/37/84 vs 49/41/77 is quite similar.


Reason USA had such good 3pt numbers in the tournament was the fact that they did feel like they needed to play at full speed vs nigeria when they lead by 50 and Nigeria didn't even try. They shot 29/46 3pt against them, but sorry Nigeria isn't European team, Lithuania and Spain are.
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1062

Nigeria beat Greece. And the USA wasn't really trying against Nigeria and still won by 80 :lol. I'm European and even I recognize that the US would shit on Europe.

[LikeABosh]

Parker and Marc Gasol are the only two players I'd even want on team USA

[Jon_Koncak]

Reason USA had such good 3pt numbers in the tournament was the fact that they did feel like they needed to play at full speed vs nigeria when they lead by 50 and Nigeria didn't even try. They shot 29/46 3pt against them, but sorry Nigeria isn't European team, Lithuania and Spain are.
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1062

take the Nigeria game away and Usa shoots 3s on 40%..still the best on the competition.You didnt answer my q.Which european players are better shooters than Durant and Curry?

[LikeABosh]

Spanoulis lost to Nigeria :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Andrew Wiggins]

take the Nigeria game away and Usa shoots 3s on 40%..still the best on the competition.You didnt answer my q.Which european players are better shooters than Durant and Curry?

there are none

curry shoots a lot of difficult and off balanced threes from far behind nba range and still is 45%

[Andrew Wiggins]

I wanna see him defend Dirk or Pau. Best european teams usually has better shooting when they meet usa so that's hardly an argument.

he has defended dirk a lot this season

put it this way......dirk has a helluva lot tougher time defending kd than the other way around

[kennethgriffin]

Anyone that says Team USA would be better than Team Europe is a troll.

USA struggled just to beat Spain and Lithuania. A Team Europe would beat Team USA without much problem at all.


i used to think you knew something about basketball. but you just ruined any credibility you ever had


the reason a bunch of usa allstar's dumped together on a team that never plays together has a tough time beating teams that have been together since they were 12 years old is because of chemistry

USA beats these teams on pure talent alone. without any real cohesiveness or fluid offense. its all drive and kick/ 1 on 1's cause none of them know what to do cause they play on different teams with different players all year



if you dumped the best player from each euro club on the same team. it would take away from what makes them special. then it would just be individual talent vs individual talent

i admit that euro clubs at any time can win a gold medal over team usa. its because theyre great basketball teams going up against a team of misfits thrown together like a monkey tossing feces at the wall

i would much rather team USA be represented by the highest ranked nba team with mostly if not all USA born players

they would do much better

[DuMa]

Gimme Steph Curry and Durant waiting for Lebron or Wade's drive and kick out games and they will beat anyone.

[LikeABosh]

The Heat plus Tyson Chandler or Howard would shit on this Euro trash

[gabepizza]

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1065

I take 59/44/73 vs 44/30/61.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1172

And 49/37/84 vs 49/41/77 is quite similar.


Reason USA had such good 3pt numbers in the tournament was the fact that they did feel like they needed to play at full speed vs nigeria when they lead by 50 and Nigeria didn't even try. They shot 29/46 3pt against them, but sorry Nigeria isn't European team, Lithuania and Spain are.
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/men/boxscore?gameId=1062


Nigeria was an Olympic team that Lithuania played as well. In fact they beat Greece and Lithuania in the Olympic qualifying tournament.

[LongLiveTheKing]

not sure why you people have tony parker as the starter, bo mccalebb is better than him, and he will prove it at the eurobasket in september

no one on the usa can guard him, he murdered rajon rondo when fenerbahce played the celtics.
Who? :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who? :roll:

I lol'd. :oldlol:

[alenleomessi]

Who? :roll:
think derrick rose with balls.

yeah scary, i know.

[scm5]

Imagine in international play:

PG: Curry
SG: Durant
SF: Lebron
PF: Love
C: Dwight

Lebron would be in his usual role of point-forward. Durant would be at SG because as good as Kobe/Wade/Harden are, they aren't great shooters. Love can hit 3's with the best of them, and he and Dwight would clean up all the boards.

Absolutely unstoppable team in international play.

[taucesays]

I'll begin by stating this is stupid. Let's compare 20 countries to one, derp. How about the americas vs europe? That means we get Manu. Game over.

[gabepizza]

think derrick rose with balls.

yeah scary, i know.


Yes a guy who couldn't even his team to a winning record in the 2nd tier Euroleague and got eliminated by DR.

There's a reason he went undrafted. He only looks good because he plays in Euroleague. He would get exposed in the NBA.

[Raymone]

Team Europe

Marc Gasol - Very Good
Pau Gasol - Very Good
Dirk Nowitzki - Great
Luol Deng - Good
Tony Parker - Great
Vasillis Spanoulis - Mediocre
Dimitris Diamantidis - Who?
Juan Carlos Navarro - Mediocre
Bo Mccaleb - Who?
Nenad Kristic - Mediocre
Erazem Lorbak - Who?

Team USA

LeBron James - Greatest in the World
Kevin Durant - Top 5 in the World
Kobe Bryant - Great
Russell Westbrook - Great
Chris Paul - Great
James Harden - Really Good
Carmelo Anthony - Really Good
Kevin Love - Really Good
Deron Williams - Really Good
Angre Iguodala - Really Good
Tyson Chandler - Good
Anthony Davis - Decent

[Kiddlovesnets]

Euroleague, a league in which most teams get blown out by Div II NCAA teams.
:roll:

[Nick Young]

Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade/Paul George/James Harden
LeBron James/Kevin Durant/Carmelo
Chris Bosh/Kevin Love/Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez/Roy Hibbert/Tyson Chandler

You were saying?
KD as starting SG and that team is just completely unstoppable.

Lebron kickouts to KD and Bosh at midrange.

Brook Lopez is not starting C though!

[FKAri]

Lets do Team Europe vs Team USA in soccer. How bout that OP?


Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade/Paul George/James Harden
LeBron James/Kevin Durant/Carmelo
Chris Bosh/Kevin Love/Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez/Roy Hibbert/Tyson Chandler

You were saying?

Some Kobe fans are gonna jump on this.

[unbreakable]

If that world team got hot they could win but Team USA would still have far more talent. After Parker none of those guys would even be considered for our roster.


:facepalm :facepalm

Because Tyson Chandler, Elton Brand, ANTHONY DAVIS, Carlos BOOZER, etc are much better bigs than the Gasols? keep hatin brah.. keep hatin....also how can you overlook Dirk smh

team europes bigs would DECIMATE our bigs.. itd be a rebounding slaughter. with Pop as head coach, europe takes it in 7 .. maybe 6

[LBJMVP]

greece lost to nigeria and we beat nigeria by 80

thats all i have to say.


we have the best players in every position in our starting five and and everyone on our bench would be unanimous MVP in europes top division.

simple as that.

[TheCorporation]

Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade/Paul George/James Harden
LeBron James/Kevin Durant/Carmelo
Chris Bosh/Kevin Love/Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez/Roy Hibbert/Tyson Chandler

You were saying?


1st Round Exit in the NBA. :applause:


:applause:

@ OP: :lol :lol

[taucesays]

Some Kobe fans are gonna jump on this.

He forgot the last line:
CoachBe

[deja vu]

Team USA will beat Team Europe because the former have the superior talent. The main reason why European teams have been able to beat the USA is because of their team chemistry, familiarity and experience playing with each other for many years. Team chemistry can overcome a bunch of extremely talented superstars that are haphazardly assembled just like in 2002, 2004 and 2006.

Obviously, USA Basketball learned from those debacles and no longer assemble teams a few weeks before the tournament. Now you see USA Basketball requiring NBA players to commit to the team for several years. European teams are still have more experience playing together but that is no longer enough to overcome USA's sheer talent now that NBA players have started training and playing together longer.

That said, Team Europe will lose to Team USA because the former doesn't have the chemistry and experience that most European national teams have, despite the obvious advantage in talent they have over those teams.

[buddha]

Face it, the world is catching up.

Did europe get a new shipment of africans?

[Doctor Rivers]

Wiggins for Canada

[Euroleague]

And i wanna see Dirk and Pau defend Durant..Tell me which european players right now are better shooters than Durant and Curry.

Navarro
Popovic
Vasileiadis
Teletovic

All better shooters than Durant and just as good as Curry.

Hell, Durant isn't any better a shooter than European bigs like Fotsis and Savanovic, or a guy like Fridzon.

[Euroleague]

i used to think you knew something about basketball. but you just ruined any credibility you ever had


the reason a bunch of usa allstar's dumped together on a team that never plays together has a tough time beating teams that have been together since they were 12 years old is because of chemistry

USA beats these teams on pure talent alone. without any real cohesiveness or fluid offense. its all drive and kick/ 1 on 1's cause none of them know what to do cause they play on different teams with different players all year



if you dumped the best player from each euro club on the same team. it would take away from what makes them special. then it would just be individual talent vs individual talent

i admit that euro clubs at any time can win a gold medal over team usa. its because theyre great basketball teams going up against a team of misfits thrown together like a monkey tossing feces at the wall

i would much rather team USA be represented by the highest ranked nba team with mostly if not all USA born players

they would do much better

And you are RETARDED.

[Euroleague]

Nigeria was an Olympic team that Lithuania played as well. In fact they beat Greece and Lithuania in the Olympic qualifying tournament.

The refs beat Lithuania and Greece. That's why both protested the games. It's also why Greece beat Nigeria a few days earlier with different refs and why Lithuania beat Nigeria at the Olympics with different refs.

Of course facts and truth mean nothing to lying scumbag trolls like you.

[Euroleague]

Imagine in international play:

PG: Curry
SG: Durant
SF: Lebron
PF: Love
C: Dwight

Lebron would be in his usual role of point-forward. Durant would be at SG because as good as Kobe/Wade/Harden are, they aren't great shooters. Love can hit 3's with the best of them, and he and Dwight would clean up all the boards.

Absolutely unstoppable team in international play.

Curry = zero defense and too small against international guards.

Durant = unable to defend any decent two guards on better teams.

Love = zero defense and won't have any advantage against the better Euro power forwards, since most of them are his same size and just as athletic if not more and play away from the basket just like he does.

Howard = no offensive skills and exposed without NBA refs.

Your basketball knowledge = pathetic.

[Euroleague]

Yes a guy who couldn't even his team to a winning record in the 2nd tier Euroleague and got eliminated by DR.

There's a reason he went undrafted. He only looks good because he plays in Euroleague. He would get exposed in the NBA.

He is much better than Ty Lawson you freaking moron.

[Euroleague]

Team Europe

Marc Gasol - Very Good
Pau Gasol - Very Good
Dirk Nowitzki - Great
Luol Deng - Good
Tony Parker - Great
Vasillis Spanoulis - Mediocre
Dimitris Diamantidis - Who?
Juan Carlos Navarro - Mediocre
Bo Mccaleb - Who?
Nenad Kristic - Mediocre
Erazem Lorbak - Who?

Team USA

LeBron James - Greatest in the World
Kevin Durant - Top 5 in the World
Kobe Bryant - Great
Russell Westbrook - Great
Chris Paul - Great
James Harden - Really Good
Carmelo Anthony - Really Good
Kevin Love - Really Good
Deron Williams - Really Good
Angre Iguodala - Really Good
Tyson Chandler - Good
Anthony Davis - Decent

Navarro and Spanoulis are in the top 5 players in the world idiot.

[Euroleague]

greece lost to nigeria and we beat nigeria by 80

thats all i have to say.


we have the best players in every position in our starting five and and everyone on our bench would be unanimous MVP in europes top division.

simple as that.

You are certifiably insane. Simple as that.

[LikeABosh]

Navarro and Spanoulis are in the top 5 players in the world idiot.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Euroleague]

Team USA will beat Team Europe because the former have the superior talent. The main reason why European teams have been able to beat the USA is because of their team chemistry, familiarity and experience playing with each other for many years. Team chemistry can overcome a bunch of extremely talented superstars that are haphazardly assembled just like in 2002, 2004 and 2006.

Obviously, USA Basketball learned from those debacles and no longer assemble teams a few weeks before the tournament. Now you see USA Basketball requiring NBA players to commit to the team for several years. European teams are still have more experience playing together but that is no longer enough to overcome USA's sheer talent now that NBA players have started training and playing together longer.

That said, Team Europe will lose to Team USA because the former doesn't have the chemistry and experience that most European national teams have, despite the obvious advantage in talent they have over those teams.

You just totally made up a bunch of bullshit.

"Every team in Europe played together for many years".


Yeah, so you can just make up any bullshit you can think of, claim it as fact, then pretend you are telling the truth.

**** off.

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Spanoulis is the best player in the world. Navarro is somewhere around 4th or 5th.

[bmd]

Navarro and Spanoulis are in the top 5 players in the world idiot.http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

[bmd]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world. Navarro is somewhere around 4th or 5th.http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc489/niokulis/Laugh.gif

[Euroleague]

Who would you pick for the Europe team that supposedly would beat the following US squad:

PG: Paul/Westbrook
SG: Wade/Curry/George
SF: Lebron/Durant/Iguodala
PF: Bosh/Love
C: Howard/Duncan


PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Tony Parker
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Dimitris Diamantidis
SF Andrei Kirilenko/Rudy Fernandez
PF Dirk Nowitzki/Pau Gasol/Viktor Khryapa
C Marc Gasol/Ioannis Bourousis/Ante Tomic

Head Coach: Svetislav Pesic, or Georgios Bartzokas, or Dusan Ivkovic

Team USA would never know what hit them. That above Team Europe would be better than anything Team USA would put together.

[LikeABosh]

Spanoulis is the best player in the world. Navarro is somewhere around 4th or 5th.
Spanoulis, the best in the world, led his team to a loss vs. Nigeria.
http://i.imgur.com/mHM3DMk.gif
http://i.imgur.com/PHXVQfe.gif
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/2347842-hyde_laugh.gif

[Euroleague]

Spanoulis, the best in the world, led his team to a loss vs. Nigeria.
http://i.imgur.com/mHM3DMk.gif
http://i.imgur.com/PHXVQfe.gif
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/78698/2347842-hyde_laugh.gif

And Team USA lost to Spanoulis. Ergo, Nigeria > Team USA.

Freaking MORON.

Your level of logic is disturbing.

[LikeABosh]

And Team USA lost to Spanoulis. Ergo Nigeria > Team USA.

Freaking MORON.

Your level of logic is disturbing.
in 2004. Sorry but if you think that putz is the best ****ing basketball player in the world I'm not even discussing this with you.

[Euroleague]

in 2004. Sorry but if you think that putz is the best ****ing basketball player in the world I'm not even discussing this with you.

It was in 2006 you stupid imbecile. And no one with a brain could discuss this with you. You are a complete idiot.

[bmd]

And Team USA lost to Spanoulis. Ergo, Nigeria > Team USA.

Freaking MORON.

Your level of logic is disturbing.Spanoulis played in the NBA... and he sucked major ass.

[Euroleague]

Spanoulis played in the NBA... and he sucked major ass.

Spanoulis is better than every single NBA player.

[SpurrDurr]

PG Vassilis Spanoulis/Tony Parker
SG Juan Carlos Navarro/Dimitris Diamantidis
SF Andrei Kirilenko/Rudy Fernandez
PF Dirk Nowitzki/Pau Gasol/Viktor Khryapa
C Marc Gasol/Ioannis Bourousis/Ante Tomic

Head Coach: Svetislav Pesic, or Georgios Bartzokas, or Dusan Ivkovic

Team USA would never know what hit them. That above Team Europe would be better than anything Team USA would put together.

Look at this delusional fa_ggot.

Spanoulis starting over Parker.
A 2.7 ppg NBA greek scrub vs one of the best PG in the last 10 years :roll:

The only NBA player Spanoulis can compete with is A. Davis on whos got the better unibrow:

http://i.imgur.com/wu5IJ09.jpg

[Le Shaqtus]

LeBron would eat Spanoulis for breakfast.

[Euroleague]

Look at this delusional fa_ggot.

Spanoulis starting over Parker.
A 2.7 ppg NBA greek scrub vs one of the best PG in the last 10 years :roll:

The only NBA player Spanoulis can compete with is A. Davis on whos got the better unibrow:

http://i.imgur.com/wu5IJ09.jpg

That Spanoulis pic is photoshopped you dumb ass.

[bmd]

Spanoulis is better than every single NBA player.No, he sucked ass when he played in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

LeBron would eat Spanoulis for breakfast.

LeBron isn't as good as Spanoulis. Neither is Durant.

[gabepizza]

The refs beat Lithuania and Greece. That's why both protested the games. It's also why Greece beat Nigeria a few days earlier with different refs and why Lithuania beat Nigeria at the Olympics with different refs.

Of course facts and truth mean nothing to lying scumbag trolls like you.


This is the perfect troll argument. You can say that any game your team loses is because the refs beat them. The refs beat the US in 2006. The fact is that Nigeria beat both Greece and Lithuania. That means an all-African team would destroy Greece and Lithuania.

[SpurrDurr]

That Spanoulis pic is photoshopped you dumb ass.

No, his esthetician just gave up.

[Euroleague]

This is the perfect troll argument. You can say that any game your team loses is because the refs beat them. The refs beat the US in 2006. The fact is that Nigeria beat both Greece and Lithuania. That means an all-African team would destroy Greece and Lithuania.

The fact is that you are a psychopath. You also have an IQ around 60.

And once again, you just completely ignored that Nigeria lost to Greece and Lithuania with the unbiased refs last summer. Yes, because you are a psychopath.

The ONLY games you will allow to be used to fit your deranged lunatic views are the ones that were officially under protest. The other games, where Greece and Lithuania beat Nigeria, of course never even happened in your warped, twisted psychotic mind.

And yes, Nigeria > USA under your warped logic.

Since Greece beat USA and Nigeria beat Greece.

It's funny how your incredibly retarded, racist, and insane rants only apply when it suits your own personal agenda.

But when your crazy lunatic "logic" is turned against you, suddenly it does not hold true anymore. You are the biggest hypocrite in this entire forum BY FAR.

[gabepizza]

LeBron isn't as good as Spanoulis. Neither is Durant.

Durant was the MVP of the 2010 FIBA World Championship which Spanoulis placed 11th in. Lebron was the best player on the 2012 Gold medal Olympic team, an Olympics that Spanouls could not even qualify for. Not only is Spanoulis one of the over rated and worst players in the world he has bought shame to himself, his family and his nation with his playing.

[cos88]

LeBron isn't as good as Spanoulis. Neither is Durant.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2959/asianmanlolgif.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/203/asianmanlolgif.gif/)

seek help you piece of shit. your trolling isn't even funny no more, you dickeating phagot.

[gabepizza]

The fact is that you are a psychopath. You also have an IQ around 60.

And once again, you just completely ignored that Nigeria lost to Greece and Lithuania with the unbiased refs last summer. Yes, because you are a psychopath.

The ONLY games you will allowed to be used to fit your deranged lunatic views are the ones that were officially under protest. The other games, where Greece and Lithuania beat Nigeria of course never even happened in your warped, twisted psychotic mind.

Wrong. When Greece and Lithunia beat Nigeria it was with biased refs. When Nigeria beat Lithuania and Greeceit was with unbiased refs.

[LikeABosh]

Spanoulis 2 ppg on 31% shooting in his failed attempt in the NBA. :oldlol: The loser is beyond a scrub. He would not get off the bench on any NBA team

[gabepizza]

The fact is that you are a psychopath. You also have an IQ around 60.

And once again, you just completely ignored that Nigeria lost to Greece and Lithuania with the unbiased refs last summer. Yes, because you are a psychopath.

The ONLY games you will allow to be used to fit your deranged lunatic views are the ones that were officially under protest. The other games, where Greece and Lithuania beat Nigeria, of course never even happened in your warped, twisted psychotic mind.

And yes, Nigeria > USA under your warped logic.

Since Greece beat USA and Nigeria beat Greece.

It's funny how your incredibly retarded, racist, and insane rants only apply when it suits your own personal agenda.

But when your crazy lunatic "logic" is turned against you, suddenly it does not hold true anymore. You are the biggest hypocrite in this entire forum BY FAR.


Bullshit. That officially under protest is bullshit and unless you give a link showing it to be true.

The fact is that Nigeria beat Greece and Lithuania, nothing you can say or do will change that fact. Nigeria, the team that the US beat by 87 points, eliminated Spanoulis and Greece from the Olympic qualifying tournament. Spanoulis will always be remembered for that loss that shows what a horrible player he is.
:rockon:

[GilZero]

Seriously though, imagine how much great info Euroleague could bring to this forum without all the trolling? His whole troll persona is insane but he knows stuff, that you can tell.

:cheers:

[The Real JW]

Look at this delusional fa_ggot.

Spanoulis starting over Parker.
A 2.7 ppg NBA greek scrub vs one of the best PG in the last 10 years :roll:

The only NBA player Spanoulis can compete with is A. Davis on whos got the better unibrow:

http://i.imgur.com/wu5IJ09.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/K8JNTQG.jpg

[taucesays]

Seriously though, imagine how much great info Euroleague could bring to this forum without all the trolling? His whole troll persona is insane but he knows stuff, that you can tell.

:cheers:

Agreed. When you're wrong 100% of the time all you have to do is the opposite of your first instinct. The Costanza method.

[Euroleague]

Bullshit. That officially under protest is bullshit and unless you give a link showing it to be true.

The fact is that Nigeria beat Greece and Lithuania, nothing you can say or do will change that fact. Nigeria, the team that the US beat by 87 points, eliminated Spanoulis and Greece from the Olympic qualifying tournament. Spanoulis will always be remembered for that loss that shows what a horrible player he is.
:rockon:

Piss off you lying scumbag.

[gabepizza]

Piss off you lying scumbag.


http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/ct/4/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/game.html

[Dr.J4ever]

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/ct/4/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/game.html

The Euroleague Nazi strikes again. He probably forgot to take his medications again. Seriously, this guy has a mental deficiency somewhere, but at least he provides a lot of entertainment to people who distinguish between reality and this absurd Greek fantasy.

[Euroleague]

The Euroleague Nazi strikes again. He probably forgot to take his medications again. Seriously, this guy has a mental deficiency somewhere, but at least he provides a lot of entertainment to people who distinguish between reality and this absurd Greek fantasy.

You are paid to post here and spread lies. You are also a deranged, psychotic, racist, pathological liar.

[deja vu]

You just totally made up a bunch of bullshit.

"Every team in Europe played together for many years".


Yeah, so you can just make up any bullshit you can think of, claim it as fact, then pretend you are telling the truth.

**** off.
Where the f*ck did I say that EVERY European team has played together for many years? I said MOST European teams have better team chemistry and familiarity with each other than Team USA because they have played with each other for a very long time, unlike the Americans who were assembled just a few weeks before. You're stupid if you think that is not the case.

[SpurrDurr]

You are paid to post here and spread lies. You are also a deranged, psychotic, racist, pathological liar.

I wouldn't be surprised if FBI was onto you, you are such a sociopath.
Please free the kid tied in your basement.

[Euroleague]

Where the f*ck did I say that EVERY European team has played together for many years? I said MOST European teams have better team chemistry and familiarity with each other than Team USA because they have played with each other for a very long time, unlike the Americans who were assembled just a few weeks before. You're stupid if you think that is not the case.

That's a LIE. Team USA core has been playing together much longer than almost any core of any European national team. Only Spain's core played together longer.

You are straight out lying.

And this "assembled a few weeks before" bullshit...........EVERY freaking team is you colossal moron. Of course USA core playing together for years means nothing right?

**** off.

[deja vu]

That's a LIE. Team USA core has been playing together much longer than almost any core of any European national team. Only Spain's core played together longer.

You are straight out lying.

And this "assembled a few weeks before" bullshit...........EVERY freaking team is you colossal moron. Of course USA core playing together for years means nothing right?

**** off.
:facepalm Read my posts before, I said that after USA got beat by European teams they started preparing longer. Before 2004, USA assembled their team a few weeks before the tournament. Just compare the USA teams from 1992 to 2004, they have vastly different players all the time. They don't have the same core. It's only starting 2006 that USA started preparing and training for the long term.

[tgan3]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Men Wear Green
If that world team got hot they could win but Team USA would still have far more talent. After Parker none of those guys would even be considered for our roster.


:facepalm :facepalm

Because Tyson Chandler, Elton Brand, ANTHONY DAVIS, Carlos BOOZER, etc are much better bigs than the Gasols? keep hatin brah.. keep hatin....also how can you overlook Dirk smh

team europes bigs would DECIMATE our bigs.. itd be a rebounding slaughter. with Pop as head coach, europe takes it in 7 .. maybe 6

This guy said it best to how biased people (Or maybe real men wear green) are to european players.

Seriously, Nowitzki or the Gasols not ever considered over those american bigs above??:hammerhead:

[Dr.J4ever]

You are paid to post here and spread lies. You are also a deranged, psychotic, racist, pathological liar.

Nobody believes your BS.. Name one person on this board who believes your Spanoulis is one of the best players in the world BS or Euroluague>NBA absurdity? Even your only friend, FIBA basketball, just totally repudiated you on those 2 points.

It's you against the world. Genius or nut?!

[Fiba basketball]

What people forget is that Spain has one of the worst coaches in Europe and it was still close game when they played against USA . If they had some of the best coaches in Europe I think they could have been better than USA .

[Sakkreth]

What people forget is that Spain has one of the worst coaches in Europe and it was still close game when they played against USA . If they had some of the best coaches in Europe I think they could have been better than USA .

Yeah Scariolo sucks, imagine if Plaza coached Spain, quite scary.

[Jon_Koncak]

Yeah,imagine Spain with Obradovic.Wait,Obradovic lost to China in 2004 and flooped badly with a stacked serbian team in 2005 on their home.What would Plaza do,find a magical way to defend Durant and Lebron with Suarez and Mumbru?

[Sakkreth]

Yeah,imagine Spain with Obradovic.Wait,Obradovic lost to China in 2004 and flooped badly with a stacked serbian team in 2005 on their home.What would Plaza do,find a magical way to defend Durant and Lebron with Suarez and Mumbru?

Yeah because I was saying they would beat USA with Plaza or something... Plaza is way better coach than Scariolo that was all I was saying.

[Jon_Koncak]

being a better coach doesnt guarantee better results especially in international competitions.That's why i mentioned Obradovic failures with serbian nt.Scariolo did a good job in spanish nt.Coaching wasnt the reason Spain couldnt beat Usa

[Fiba basketball]

being a better coach doesnt guarantee better results especially in international competitions.That's why i mentioned Obradovic failures with serbian nt.Scariolo did a good job in spanish nt.Coaching wasnt the reason Spain couldnt beat Usa

Obradovic failed with that serbian nt because team chemistry was terrible , players didn't want to talk or pass the ball to each othere and that isn't the case with this Spain . Scariolo is a bad coach who fails everywhere he goes but since Spain has great players they win despite him . Better coach means team will play better and since games between Spain and USA were already close I don't see how better version of Spain couldn't win .

[gabepizza]

That's a LIE. Team USA core has been playing together much longer than almost any core of any European national team. Only Spain's core played together longer.

You are straight out lying.

And this "assembled a few weeks before" bullshit...........EVERY freaking team is you colossal moron. Of course USA core playing together for years means nothing right?

**** off.

Core? How about in 2010 when no body on the whole team had ever played together and they still won gold.

[(e)]

This is rich lol.

[Euroleague]

:facepalm Read my posts before, I said that after USA got beat by European teams they started preparing longer. Before 2004, USA assembled their team a few weeks before the tournament. Just compare the USA teams from 1992 to 2004, they have vastly different players all the time. They don't have the same core. It's only starting 2006 that USA started preparing and training for the long term.

Another ****ing idiot..............

[Euroleague]

Nobody believes your BS.. Name one person on this board who believes your Spanoulis is one of the best players in the world BS or Euroluague>NBA absurdity? Even your only friend, FIBA basketball, just totally repudiated you on those 2 points.

It's you against the world. Genius or nut?!

Fiba already said here about 50 times that you and gabepizza are huge trolls and that you are wrong on everything you say. So cute of you to claim he's backing you up, when he already called you huge trolls.

Keep it up and a complaint will be sent to the NBA office, since your internet propaganda is not working anymore. They can hire much better replacements.

[Euroleague]

What people forget is that Spain has one of the worst coaches in Europe and it was still close game when they played against USA . If they had some of the best coaches in Europe I think they could have been better than USA .

Yeah but remember that according to the NBA managers and according to people like gabepizza, Scariolo was the best coach in Europe.

gabe claimed as much numerous times, and so did the NBA general managers.

Stop trying to assume that 99% of these idiots are anything but totally delusional.

That Dr.J moron here is claiming that you agree with everything him and gabe say and that I am wrong and trolling. Yes, he is claiming YOU agree on all their points and say I am crazy.

These people are certifiable lunatics.

[Euroleague]

Yeah,imagine Spain with Obradovic.Wait,Obradovic lost to China in 2004 and flooped badly with a stacked serbian team in 2005 on their home.What would Plaza do,find a magical way to defend Durant and Lebron with Suarez and Mumbru?

Obradovic isn't even that good of a coach. Like I always said Bartzokas was better than him. Obradovic is hugely overrated, just like Messina, just like Scariolo, just like Blatt.

Of course it's also no strange coincidence than the USA media and NBA managers claim the above are the "best coaches in Europe".

The REAL best coaches in Europe in recent years are guys like Ivkovic, Pesic, Bartzokas........

Don't tell me you actually think Obradovic was that good of a coach. I already had this argument here with Fiba.

He's a good coach, but nothing special. He's a lot like Messina. They are overrated because they won a bunch of titles.

I honestly never even thought that PAO ran as well under Obradovic as they did under Malkovic.

And yes, Plaza is a WAY BETTER coach than Scariolo. You are trolling to even imply otherwise. Scariolo is a freaking JOKE.

He's one of the worst coaches in Europe. He destroys every team he touches. Which of course, means NBA teams think he's "one of the best".

[Euroleague]

being a better coach doesnt guarantee better results especially in international competitions.That's why i mentioned Obradovic failures with serbian nt.Scariolo did a good job in spanish nt.Coaching wasnt the reason Spain couldnt beat Usa

Stop trolling. Having one of the worst coaches in Europe and losing by 7 points....yeah going from that to one of the best coaches in Europe in Plaza......no difference at all right?

[Euroleague]

Core? How about in 2010 when no body on the whole team had ever played together and they still won gold.

They never played against Team Europe you god damn piece of shit.

[Fiba basketball]

Obradovic isn't even that good of a coach. Like I always said Bartzokas was better than him. Obradovic is hugely overrated, just like Messina, just like Scariolo, just like Blatt.

Of course it's also no strange coincidence than the USA media and NBA managers claim the above are the "best coaches in Europe".

The REAL best coaches in Europe in recent years are guys like Ivkovic, Pesic, Bartzokas........

Don't tell me you actually think Obradovic was that good of a coach. I already had this argument here with Fiba.

He's a good coach, but nothing special. He's a lot like Messina. They are overrated because they won a bunch of titles.

I honestly never even thought that PAO ran as well under Obradovic as they did under Malkovic.

And yes, Plaza is a WAY BETTER coach than Scariolo. You are trolling to even imply otherwise. Scariolo is a freaking JOKE.

He's one of the worst coaches in Europe. He destroys every team he touches. Which of course, means NBA teams think he's "one of the best".
Obradovic won more titles than Messina and they both always coached teams with big budgets so Obradovic is clearly better than him . How is Scariolo overrated when everyone thinks he is bad coach ? Also I think Blatt is underrated coach , for me he is just as good as Pesic . His teams play good defense and I always liked defensive minded coaches thats why I like Pasqual too , Barca plays good defense even when there players aren't that good at defense

[Euroleague]

Obradovic won more titles than Messina and they both always coached teams with big budgets so Obradovic is clearly better than him . How is Scariolo overrated when everyone thinks he is bad coach ? Also I think Blatt is underrated coach , for me he is just as good as Pesic . His teams play good defense and I always liked defensive minded coaches thats why I like Pasqual too , Barca plays good defense even when there players aren't that good at defense

Obradovic had a 35 million euros budget every year with Panathinaikos. He is OVERRATED. And I never said anything about Messina being as good of a coach as Obradovic. I said here to you numerous times that Messina is a worse coach than Obradovic. I know I told you this in several different posts.

Blatt was absolutely terrible with Efes, Aris, and Dynamo. Terrible.

Neither one of them is among the very best coaches in Europe.

I already explained how super overrated Scariolo is. IN THE USA. He's universally considered the best or second best European coach in the USA.

Blatt is nothing as good of a coach as Pascual and Pesic are. Not even close. Blatt's offense systems absolutely suck.

Seriously...................WTF is going on? These guys like gabe and DrJ are making INSANE posts and all you are doing is arguing with me, even when Dr J is claiming you "agree with everything gabe says"?

Whatever. You guys are all assholes.

[Raymone]

Keep it up and a complaint will be sent to the NBA office

You're insane. Simply batshit crazy. :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

You're insane. Simply batshit crazy. :oldlol:

The NBA pays lots of people to post on the internet. Almost all large companies do.

You are retarded.

[Raymone]

You could probably get the Euroleague to pay you a few euros per month to post on ISH if you weren't so mentally disturbed. They're a semi-pro league, they have some money.

Of course, then you'd have the issue of exchanging them for dollars in the middle of Bum****, Arkansas.

[Bandito]

Nobody believes your BS.. Name one person on this board who believes your Spanoulis is one of the best players in the world BS or Euroluague>NBA absurdity? Even your only friend, FIBA basketball, just totally repudiated you on those 2 points.

It's you against the world. Genius or nut?!
I believe Spanoullis is one of the best players in the world. Your argument is invalid sir.

[Dengness9]

might of missed it but another player that would be on the World team or Europe team could be Vucevic from Orl. Kids pretty good and young with size.

[Euroleague]

You could probably get the Euroleague to pay you a few euros per month to post on ISH if you weren't so mentally disturbed. They're a semi-pro league, they have some money.

Of course, then you'd have the issue of exchanging them for dollars in the middle of Bum****, Arkansas.

You are retarded.

[gabepizza]

They never played against Team Europe you god damn piece of shit.


Well duh. They never have and they never will because it is a totally made up hypothetical match-up that will never happen.

I never claimed they did. I was just replying to your post where you said Team USA's "core" has been playing together longer than any European team except Spain and I showed that when Team USA won gold in 2010 only two of the players (Chandler and Billips) had ever played together in FIBA competition, and Chandler an Billips were certainly not the core of the team.

[Euroleague]

might of missed it but another player that would be on the World team or Europe team could be Vucevic from Orl. Kids pretty good and young with size.

He's good, but I think Marc Gasol, Bourousis, Tomic, Pekovic are all better European centers. He's in the next tier with ones like Sofo, Gortat and guys like that.

He should not be considered over Gasol, Bourousis, Tomic, and Pekovic. At least not yet.

[Euroleague]

Well duh. They never have and they never will because it is a totally made up hypothetical match-up that will never happen.

I never claimed they did. I was just replying to your post where you said Team USA's "core" has been playing together longer than any European team except Spain and I showed that when Team USA won gold in 2010 only two of the players (Chandler and Billips) had ever played together in FIBA competition, and Chandler an Billips were certainly not the core of the team.

You are a god damn ****ing idiot.

[Bandito]

The funny thing about Euro's is that in order to beat USA ( 1 country) they have to band together all of their scrubs in different countries in order to beat one measly team from one country. Team Europe would suck if assembled.

[Euroleague]

The funny thing about Euro's is that in order to beat USA ( 1 country) they have to band together all of their scrubs in different countries in order to beat one measly team from one country. Team Europe would suck if assembled.

Team USA can barely beat freaking Lithuania. They would get annihilated by Europe.

[Bandito]

Team USA can barely beat freaking Lithuania. They would get annihilated by Europe.
The fact that Europe has to unite a lot of the countries best player to beat 1 measly little country is pathetic. That's how strong USA is. They can't beat the Kobe's and the Lebron's of the world. Heck they can't even beat the Bobcats in a world Cup game.

[Raymone]

Team USA can barely beat freaking Lithuania.

"Barely beating" > getting raped by Nigeria. :roll:

Nigeria.

[2013 Lakers]

The funny thing about Euro's is that in order to beat USA ( 1 country) they have to band together all of their scrubs in different countries in order to beat one measly team from one country. Team Europe would suck if assembled.

Yeah, country-vs-continent. It should be continent-vs-continent (Team North America vs Team Europe) but it doesn't really matter considering USA's excessive amount of talent.

[Bandito]

Yeah, country-vs-continent. It should be continent-vs-continent (Team North America vs Team Europe) but it doesn't really matter considering USA's excessive amount of talent.
My point was that Europe had to unite a lot of different countries in order to have a chance to beat the US.

[Euroleague]

The fact that Europe has to unite a lot of the countries best player to beat 1 measly little country is pathetic. That's how strong USA is. They can't beat the Kobe's and the Lebron's of the world. Heck they can't even beat the Bobcats in a world Cup game.

The fact that people can't admit the absolutely plain obvious that USA isn't as good as Europe is truly pathetic.

No one here said anything about a single country being better than USA. Everyone knows USA is the best individual country.

The pathetic thing is that everyone also knows Europe is better than USA, yet you scumbags won't admit it.

The discussion isn't USA against any country, it's USA against Europe. And anyone saying USA is better than a unified Europe is either a troll, or a liar, or retarded, or all three.

And that includes jon.

[Euroleague]

Yeah, country-vs-continent. It should be continent-vs-continent (Team North America vs Team Europe) but it doesn't really matter considering USA's excessive amount of talent.

Team North America is the same as Team USA genius.

[Bandito]

The fact that people can't admit the absolutely plain obvious that USA isn't as good as Europe is truly pathetic.

No one here said anything about a single country being better than USA. Everyone knows USA is the best individual country.

The pathetic thing is that everyone also knows Europe is better than USA, yet you scumbags won't admit it.

The discussion isn't USA against any country, it's USA against Europe. And anyone saying USA is better than a unified Europe is either a troll, or a liar, or retarded, or all three.

And that includes jon.But you don't see my point, the fact that all those countries have to unite in order to beat 1 country is in itself pathetic as you looking in a mirror.

[Bandito]

Team North America is the same as Team USA genius.
he stated that in his post. Learn to read.:lol

[Euroleague]

My point was that Europe had to unite a lot of different countries in order to have a chance to beat the US.

STFU

My god you are a bigger troll than gabepizza.

A lot of countries?

Greece and Spain together alone is enough to beat Team USA 7 times out of 10.

[Bandito]

STFU

My god you are a bigger troll than gabepizza.

A lot of countries?

Greece and Spain together alone is enough to beat Team USA 7 times out of 10.
Greece couldn't even beat Nigeria:roll: :roll: :roll:

Spain could've beat USA but didn't. They lost.

Spain and Greece again 2 countries against 1. That's bullying, and the funny thing about that is that they will probably lose too:roll: :roll: :roll:
Is like pitting Superman against Duck Dodgers and Darkwing duck.

[Euroleague]

But you don't see my point, the fact that all those countries have to unite in order to beat 1 country is in itself pathetic as you looking in a mirror.

Spain and Greece alone would be more than enough to be better than USA. Just TWO European countries would get it done.

[2013 Lakers]

Team North America is the same as Team USA genius.

I know, that's what I said. USA's talent pool eclipses Mexico and Canada.

[tpols]

But you don't see my point, the fact that all those countries have to unite in order to beat 1 country is in itself pathetic as you looking in a mirror.
What? America by itself is almost as big as Europe.. IDK the measurements but if you look at Spain.. Is it any bigger than Texas?

We have 50 states that could all be tiny little countries. We're all just unified.

I don't see the big deal at all taking top players from like 7-8 different European countries because we outnumber every one of those countries by itself by a MASSIVE amount.

What you're saying is unfair is actually perfectly fair.

[Bandito]

Spain and Greece alone would be more than enough to be better than USA. Just TWO European countries would get it done.
Already answered that:facepalm

[Bandito]

What you're saying is unfair is actually perfectly fair.What?

[tpols]

What?
You're saying it's unfair for a handful of European countries to gang up.. But even if they were to gang up they still would have a smaller population from which to draw talent than the enormous U. S.

[Euroleague]

Greece couldn't even beat Nigeria:roll: :roll: :roll:

Spain could've beat USA but didn't. They lost.

Spain and Greece again 2 countries against 1. That's bullying, and the funny thing about that is that they will probably lose too:roll: :roll: :roll:

You are a complete idiot.

Spanoulis/Rodriguez/Rubio
Navarro/Zisis
Fernandez/Papanikolaou
Pau Gasol/Printezis/Ibaka
Marc Gasol/Bourousis

More than enough to beat team USA 7 or 8 times out of 10. And I did not even include Diamantidis or whatever other players don't want to play anymore, unlike the Team USA's being made up here that almost all included retired players.

Or that there are plenty of others to choose from for the team.

You are delusional as hell.

A combined Greece-Spain would be an absolute nightmare for USA. That's a vastly better team than what Spain had in 2008 or 2012.

[2013 Lakers]

What? America by itself is almost as big as Europe.. IDK the measurements but if you look at Spain.. Is it any bigger than Texas?

We have 50 states that could all be tiny little countries. We're all just unified.

I don't see the big deal at all taking top players from like 7-8 different European countries because we outnumber every one of those countries by itself by a MASSIVE amount.

What you're saying is unfair is actually perfectly fair.

Texas: 26 million people
Spain: 47.2 million people

United States: 315.9 million people
Europe: ~740 million people

[Euroleague]

I know, that's what I said. USA's talent pool eclipses Mexico and Canada.

I know that's what you said. But you made the North American continent comment. Team USA versus Team Europe IS Team North America versus Team Europe.

It's the same exact thing.

[tpols]

Texas: 26 million people
Spain: 47.2 million people

United States: 315.9 million people
Europe: ~740 million people
True.. But not all of Europe plays basketball or is even good at it.

If they take guys from France Spain, Greece, and two other countries they would be choosing from a population that's still way smaller than us.

[Bandito]

You're saying it's unfair for a handful of European countries to gang up.. But even if they were to gang up they still would have a smaller population from which to draw talent than the enormous U. S.
That sentence I quoted didn't make any sense, but I did understood your point. But we have to take by population not by how big a country is. Because for example even though Ohio is bigger we have more population per acres of land in Puerto Rico.

[2013 Lakers]

I know that's what you said. But you made the North American continent comment. Team USA versus Team Europe IS Team North America versus Team Europe.

It's the same exact thing.

Roster-wise, yes. That's what I'm saying. The continent of NA includes more than just the USA, but their talent pool is so great that it doesn't even matter.

[Raymone]

I know that's what you said. But you made the North American continent comment. Team USA versus Team Europe IS Team North America versus Team Europe.

It's the same exact thing.

You're so stupid you can't even comprehend his point. :oldlol:

[Bandito]

You are a complete idiot.

Spanoulis/Rodriguez/Rubio
Navarro/Zisis
Fernandez/Papanikolaou
Pau Gasol/Printezis/Ibaka
Marc Gasol/Bourousis

More than enough to beat team USA 7 or 8 times out of 10. And I did not even include Diamantidis or whatever other players don't want to play anymore, unlike the Team USA's being made up here that almost all included retired players.

Or that there are plenty of others to choose from for the team.

You are delusional as hell.

A combined Greece-Spain would be an absolute nightmare for USA. That's a vastly better team than what Spain had in 2008 or 2012.



Paul/ Deron
Kobe/ Harden
Lebron/ Anthony
Unibrow/Durant
healthy Dwight/ Tyson Chandler

The perimeter is going to kill your team from anyway imaginable, either jumpshot or by slashing to the paint. Anthony alone would probably kill that team 10 times out of 10.

The frontcourt just have to slow the Gasol brothers enough for a win, and a healthy Dwight and a second year Davis are good enough for that. IF you don't see this you are just delusional troll and a dumbass.

[Euroleague]

Already answered that:facepalm

No. You are just being a dick. Not one person is arguing that USA has the best single country team. But the person that started the thread made it about Team USA (or Team North America, however you want to view it) against Team Europe.

That's the point of the topic. To keep arguing USA is better than Spain or Russia or Croatia or whatever country and to mock here is just trolling.

No one is disputing that. The issue is a hypothetical unified European team.

And then you started saying it was absurd and ridiculous for "a lot of countries" to combine to beat one country of USA.

Well, that's bullshit, because just the two best European basketball countries of Spain and Greece would get it done.

I think even if you combined something like Russia, Serbia, Lithuania it would be enough also.

Then you came up with USA is a "little country".............yeah maybe compared to China. USA by itself is like 40 percent of Europe's population probably.

And USA has a way bigger population than Spain and Greece combined do. So nothing you are saying is anything but trolling.

Don't lump yourself in with Rooster, CavsFTW, Nick Young, KG215, gabepizza, Grinder, Dr.J4ever and those kinds of trolls.

[Bandito]

True.. But not all of Europe plays basketball or is even good at it.

If they take guys from France Spain, Greece, and two other countries they would be choosing from a population that's still way smaller than us.
Neither does Americans.

[Euroleague]

Roster-wise, yes. That's what I'm saying. The continent of NA includes more than just the USA, but their talent pool is so great that it doesn't even matter.

Well the point is the same for Team "Europe". Even though people are trying to lump it all together.

You don't need "Europe" to do it. You could for example take a Mediterranean team and easily do it.

[tpols]

Neither does Americans.
That's not true.. Pro talent comes from cities and states all over the country. Basketball is played everywhere here.

[2013 Lakers]

Maybe a little off-topic, but how would you guys rank the top 5 European countries in terms of basketball talent?

[Bandito]

No. You are just being a dick. Not one person is arguing that USA has the best single country team. But the person that started the thread made it about Team USA (or Team North America, however you want to view it) against Team Europe.

That's the point of the topic. To keep arguing USA is better than Spain or Russia or Croatia or whatever country and to mock here is just trolling.

No one is disputing that. The issue is a hypothetical unified European team.

And then you started saying it was absurd and ridiculous for "a lot of countries" to combine to beat one country of USA.

Well, that's bullshit, because just the two best European basketball countries of Spain and Greece would get it done.

I think even if you combined something like Russia, Serbia, Lithuania it would be enough also.

Then you came up with USA is a "little country".............yeah maybe compared to China. USA by itself is like 40 percent of Europe's population probably.

And USA has a way bigger population than Spain and Greece combined do. So nothing you are saying is anything but trolling.

Don't lump yourself in with Rooster, CavsFTW, Nick Young, KG215, gabepizza, Grinder, Dr.J4ever and those kinds of trolls.
I never said it was ridiculous to beat them. You are the one saying it was ridiculous to say USA could win.:facepalm


Originally Posted by 2013 Lakers
Texas: 26 million people
Spain: 47.2 million people

United States: 315.9 million people
Europe: ~740 million peopleethered

[Euroleague]

Paul/ Deron
Kobe/ Harden
Lebron/ Anthony
Unibrow/Durant
healthy Dwight/ Tyson Chandler

The perimeter is going to kill your team from anyway imaginable, either jumpshot or by slashing to the paint. Anthony alone would probably kill that team 10 times out of 10.

The frontcourt just have to slow the Gasol brothers enough for a win, and a healthy Dwight and a second year Davis are good enough for that. IF you don't see this you are just delusional troll and a dumbass.

The USA team you list will lose at least 7 out of 10 times to the team I listed. You are a typical NBA only fan.

Just putting Gasol brothers, Navarro, and Spanoulis in one team and they are better than team USA on that alone.

[Bandito]

That's not true.. Pro talent comes from cities and states all over the country. Basketball is played everywhere here.
Ok who cares almost any country in Europe rape us in football anyways....

EDIT: Oops I meant "Soccer":facepalm

[Bandito]

The USA team you list will lose at least 7 out of 10 times to the team I listed. You are a typical NBA only fan.

Just putting Gasol brothers, Navarro, and Spanoulis in one team and they are better than team USA on that alone.
\ Spanoulis chucked against Nigeria, what do you think will happen against USA?

[Raymone]

how would you guys rank the top 5 European countries in terms of basketball talent?

1. Spain
2. France
3. Germany
4. Serbia
5. Italy
...
tied for last: Greece and the rest of yurop

[Euroleague]

Maybe a little off-topic, but how would you guys rank the top 5 European countries in terms of basketball talent?

Well that varies quite a bit actually.

I would say though, averaging it over like the last 10 years or so.......

not in any order

It's something like Spain, Greece, Serbia at the top then I'd go with countries like France, Croatia, Russia, Lithuania.

Spain, Greece, and Serbia are not necessarily better over long times than those others, but they have a lot more depth. Lithuania for instance is always one of the best for their top 15 or so players, but they don't have anywhere near the depth of say Spain or Greece.

Russia is very similar too. They might be similar say to Serbia in the first 10 or so players, but they lack depth, while Serbia has tons of depth.

[Euroleague]

\ Spanoulis chucked against Nigeria, what do you think will happen against USA?

You are a ****ing idiot.

[Euroleague]

1. Spain
2. France
3. Germany
4. Serbia
5. Italy
...
tied for last: Greece and the rest of yurop

GTFO now!

[Sakkreth]

1. Spain
2. France
3. Germany
4. Serbia
5. Italy
...
tied for last: Greece and the rest of yurop

You got like 2 countries correct. :oldlol:

[Bandito]

You are a ****ing idiot.
So that didn't happen? Because I saw that game and Spanoullis was trembling of fear.




Lithuania for instance is always one of the best for their top 15 or so players, but they don't have anywhere near the depth of say Spain or Greece.
Yeah they always have great talent but when they substitute they tend to slow down a lot in their offense.

[Euroleague]

You got like 2 countries correct. :oldlol:

The sad part is that these ****ing clowns really do believe this shit. LMFAO at these retarded NBA only fans...........

Italy and Germany

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

And France ranked way too ****ing high there also. I swear these NBA only fans are such an insult to real basketball fans everywhere.

Italy and Germany better than Lithuania, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Russia, Slovenia, Turkey and so on............OK yeah sure.

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[Sakkreth]

So that didn't happen? Because I saw that game and Spanoullis was trembling of fear.



Yeah they always have great talent but when they substitute they tend to slow down a lot in their offense.

Lol Lithuania's bench usually is as good as starting lineup as there is no real starting lineup most of the time, so I'd say u r incorrect completely.

[Bandito]

Lol Lithuania's bench usually is as good as starting lineup as there is no real starting lineup most of the time, so I'd say u r incorrect completely.
:lol k

[Euroleague]

So that didn't happen? Because I saw that game and Spanoullis was trembling of fear.



Yeah they always have great talent but when they substitute they tend to slow down a lot in their offense.

I'm putting you on ignore. No point talking to someone from Puerto Rico about this. They have been raped by Spanoulis about 4 times.

[Euroleague]

:lol k

Lithuania usually has 10-12 players of relative equal level. So yeah, you are wrong.

[Raymone]

Europe will never catch up to America. If they're not getting to play in the NBA, they all have different day jobs.

http://i.imgur.com/K8JNTQG.jpg

[Sakkreth]

Puerto rico have nice national team tbh.

[Euroleague]

Puerto rico have nice national team tbh.

They do. But this guy is trolling. He's saying Team Europe could not win if it had Spanoulis on it. Either he's just pure trolling or he's not from Puerto Rico.

Because any fan of Puerto Rico knows fully well how good Spanoulis is.

Unlike these NBA only fans, he would have actually seen Spanoulis play numerous times against Puerto Rico over the years.

[Bandito]

Lithuania usually has 10-12 players of relative equal level. So yeah, you are wrong.
If Sakkreth didn't posted you would never know that.:roll:

[Bandito]

They do. But this guy is trolling. He's saying Team Europe could not win if it had Spanoulis on it. Either he's just pure trolling or he's not from Puerto Rico.

Because any fan of Puerto Rico knows fully well how good Spanoulis is.

Unlike these NBA only fans, he would have actually seen Spanoulis play numerous times against Puerto Rico over the years.
Nobody from Puerto Rico know who Spanoullis is:facepalm

The only reason I know who he is because of you:facepalm

We only know the good teams from the bad teams. I know Greece is strong and Lithuania has kicked our butt a couple of times, but I don't have any idea who's who because the Euroleague games are not aired here.

[Euroleague]

If Sakkreth didn't posted you would never know that.:roll:

WTF is wrong with you? Whatever. I'm done discussing with you. You proved you are a troll.

[Euroleague]

Nobody from Puerto Rico know who Spanoullis is:facepalm

The only reason I know who he is because of you:facepalm

We only know the good teams from the bad teams. I know Greece is strong and Lithuania has kicked our butt a couple of times, but I don't have any idea who's who because the Euroleague games are not aired here.

In other words, you are not from Puerto Rico.

[Bandito]

In other words, you are not from Puerto Rico.
Most likely you don't know jack sh1t about Puerto Rico, you probably think the island is south of Mexico:roll: :roll:

[Raymone]

Nobody from Puerto Rico know who Spanoullis is

Nobody outside of europe knows who Spanoullis is.

[gabepizza]

Maybe a little off-topic, but how would you guys rank the top 5 European countries in terms of basketball talent?
1. Spain
2. Greece
3. Lithuania
4. Russia
5. Turkey

[Dr.J4ever]

Hey Euroleague, you revealed some things today. It seems you are not as bat crazy as you seem to be most of the time. You admitted USA is the best individual nation. You also put Rubio on your European team. In the past, you would say he was a scrub.

Also, all FIBA and I agreed on is that the NBA>Euroleague, and that VSpan is a top 50 player, instead of top 2 or top 3 as you claim. That's it and that's all.
I disagree about the top 50 thing, but it's acceptable.

You also didn't rank Greece among top countries over the last 10 years if I read it correctly? Even I would disagree with that. Greece would rank no.2, like Gabe said.

There was still a sprinkling of crazy stuff like Greece/Spain> USA, but at least it's not completely off the rails. And that reporting to the NBA BS is OFF the rails, totally. Whew!

Anyway, see. When your not totally unreasonable we can talk international ball.

[tgan3]

Maybe Euroleague is right about Spanoulis?

Quote:
Doug Collins (NBA coach):

"I really have great respect for Spanoulis' game and his ability."

When asked why Jeff Van Gundy did not play Spanoulis in Houston:

"Well, I've never talked to Jeff about that. I don't know what Jeff's reasons are. I would have to talk to him about it before I speculated on that. But just from my own perspective, from what I can see myself...

The way Spanoulis runs the pick and roll, how competitive he is, how tough he is, how fearless he is, how confident he is...I have absolutely no doubt that he could be a great NBA player."

Mike D'antoni, Coach K, and Greg Popovich (Team USA coaches):

When asked who is the best player Team USA has played against while they have been coaching it:

"Vassilis Spanoulis."

When D'antoni and Coach K were asked how good Spanoulis was:

"He's in the top 5 players in the world."

Rick Adelman (one of the best NBA coaches):

On why Jeff Van Gundy didn't play Spanoulis:

"I looked at all the games from last year, and I honestly have no idea why he didn't play. He was good. I will definitely play him."

Kobe Bryant (one of the greatest basketball players of all history):

On Spanoulis, whom he was specifically tasked with guarding at the Olympics:

"Man, Spanoulis really is an amazing player. He's a great player. A great player."

Dwyane Wade (one of the best NBA players):

On Spanoulis after Team USA lost to Greece at the World Basketball Cup:

"I really don't think people in the United States have any understanding on just how good some of these international players are that we are going against."

[Dr.J4ever]

Maybe Euroleague is right about Spanoulis?

Quote:
Doug Collins (NBA coach):

"I really have great respect for Spanoulis' game and his ability."

When asked why Jeff Van Gundy did not play Spanoulis in Houston:

"Well, I've never talked to Jeff about that. I don't know what Jeff's reasons are. I would have to talk to him about it before I speculated on that. But just from my own perspective, from what I can see myself...

The way Spanoulis runs the pick and roll, how competitive he is, how tough he is, how fearless he is, how confident he is...I have absolutely no doubt that he could be a great NBA player."

Mike D'antoni, Coach K, and Greg Popovich (Team USA coaches):

When asked who is the best player Team USA has played against while they have been coaching it:

"Vassilis Spanoulis."

When D'antoni and Coach K were asked how good Spanoulis was:

"He's in the top 5 players in the world."

Rick Adelman (one of the best NBA coaches):

On why Jeff Van Gundy didn't play Spanoulis:

"I looked at all the games from last year, and I honestly have no idea why he didn't play. He was good. I will definitely play him."

Kobe Bryant (one of the greatest basketball players of all history):

On Spanoulis, whom he was specifically tasked with guarding at the Olympics:

"Man, Spanoulis really is an amazing player. He's a great player. A great player."

Dwyane Wade (one of the best NBA players):

On Spanoulis after Team USA lost to Greece at the World Basketball Cup:

"I really don't think people in the United States have any understanding on just how good some of these international players are that we are going against."

C'mon, some of those quotes could be made up. At least show the link or your source. I Googled it, and there was nothing on that except a post by a fan on another website showing these same quotes.

Fact is V-Span didn't succeed in Houston. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances for this, but JVG would have wanted him to succeed, but VSpan didn't. Now JVG had a quote on this, about Vspans overall inefficiency(fouls, turnovers, low fg%, assists to to ratio) which I'm sure we can get, but acknowledge the fact of his failure in the NBA first, then we can speculate on why this was the case.

Personally, I think he could make an EFFECTIVE NBA PG, but superstar, no, but I could be wrong. I look at his back to back Eurolegue Final 4 MVP's, and think that he would at least make an impact in the NBA. But then, Anthony Parker did the same thing, and he was just a role player in the NBA. So it's tough to tell.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think he could have made it in the NBA in the right situation.

[gabepizza]

Maybe Euroleague is right about Spanoulis?

Quote:
Doug Collins (NBA coach):

"I really have great respect for Spanoulis' game and his ability."

When asked why Jeff Van Gundy did not play Spanoulis in Houston:

"Well, I've never talked to Jeff about that. I don't know what Jeff's reasons are. I would have to talk to him about it before I speculated on that. But just from my own perspective, from what I can see myself...

The way Spanoulis runs the pick and roll, how competitive he is, how tough he is, how fearless he is, how confident he is...I have absolutely no doubt that he could be a great NBA player."

Mike D'antoni, Coach K, and Greg Popovich (Team USA coaches):

When asked who is the best player Team USA has played against while they have been coaching it:

"Vassilis Spanoulis."

When D'antoni and Coach K were asked how good Spanoulis was:

"He's in the top 5 players in the world."

Rick Adelman (one of the best NBA coaches):

On why Jeff Van Gundy didn't play Spanoulis:

"I looked at all the games from last year, and I honestly have no idea why he didn't play. He was good. I will definitely play him."

Kobe Bryant (one of the greatest basketball players of all history):

On Spanoulis, whom he was specifically tasked with guarding at the Olympics:

"Man, Spanoulis really is an amazing player. He's a great player. A great player."

Dwyane Wade (one of the best NBA players):

On Spanoulis after Team USA lost to Greece at the World Basketball Cup:

"I really don't think people in the United States have any understanding on just how good some of these international players are that we are going against."


I don't know about all those quotes but the ones in bold are definitely lies. I would bet my life that they are lies. I am calling the poster out on this. Unless you can show a link for those quotes they have to be dismissed as just made up rubbage.

When Coach K was asked who is the best player in the World.

Bobby Brown.

See how easy it is to make stuff up?

Kobe Bryant when asked who is the best player he played against.

Jeremy Pargo

[Dr.J4ever]

I don't know about all those quotes but the ones in bold are definitely lies. I would bet my life that they are lies. I am calling the poster out on this. Unless you can show a link for those quotes they have to be dismissed as just made up rubbage.

When Coach K was asked who is the best player in the World.

Bobby Brown.

See how easy it is to make stuff up?

Kobe Bryant when asked who is the best player he played against.

Jeremy Pargo

:lol :lol :lol

[BoutPractice]

Team Europe would've been better a few years ago.

But yeah, since the US had difficulties winning against Spain, I don't see why team Europe couldn't win if they found the right chemistry.

[Dr.J4ever]

Team Europe would've been better a few years ago.

But yeah, since the US had difficulties winning against Spain, I don't see why team Europe couldn't win if they found the right chemistry.

The closeness of Team USA's games against Lithuania and Spain have been used by pro Euro rooters, but it's not really a good gauge. In a one game must win situation, the highly favored team carries more pressure on it's shoulders than the underdog who often play like they have nothing to lose. The nerves of Team USA in an Olympic Final, unfamiliarity with little wrinkles the Spanish threw at them, and a surprisingly hot JCN in the 1st half could account for a closer than expected Olympic final.

With Lithuania, it's just a numbers game, really. No disrespect to the Lithuanians who know the game as well as ANYONE, and who have produced quality NBA players, and other world class ballers, but Team USA didn't play their best. Look at team USA's record, what like 64-1 since 2004, something like that. Eventually, playing quality teams in a tournament, they are liable to play a close game or two. They are , after all, human. How do we know that the US vs Lithuania game wasn't really suppose to be that close? Well, Nigeria beat Lithuania in the qualifiers. So Lithuania is good enough to make it to the Olympics, but not good enough to not lose sometimes to a 2nd tier power like Nigeria. Therefore, the close Lithuania USA game was a fluke enhanced by the gritty play by the Lithuanian coaches and players.

In a more relaxed 7 game series, the US would totally expose both Spain and Lithuania, and the margins of victory would leave absolutely no doubt on US superiority.

[LJJ]

Chris Paul/Russell Westbrook
Dwyane Wade/Paul George/James Harden
LeBron James/Kevin Durant/Carmelo
Chris Bosh/Kevin Love/Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez/Roy Hibbert/Tyson Chandler

You were saying?

:biggums:

[Fiba basketball]

The closeness of Team USA's games against Lithuania and Spain have been used by pro Euro rooters, but it's not really a good gauge. In a one game must win situation, the highly favored team carries more pressure on it's shoulders than the underdog who often play like they have nothing to lose. The nerves of Team USA in an Olympic Final, unfamiliarity with little wrinkles the Spanish threw at them, and a surprisingly hot JCN in the 1st half could account for a closer than expected Olympic final.

With Lithuania, it's just a numbers game, really. No disrespect to the Lithuanians who know the game as well as ANYONE, and who have produced quality NBA players, and other world class ballers, but Team USA didn't play their best. Look at team USA's record, what like 64-1 since 2004, something like that. Eventually, playing quality teams in a tournament, they are liable to play a close game or two. They are , after all, human. How do we know that the US vs Lithuania game wasn't really suppose to be that close? Well, Nigeria beat Lithuania in the qualifiers. So Lithuania is good enough to make it to the Olympics, but not good enough to not lose sometimes to a 2nd tier power like Nigeria. Therefore, the close Lithuania USA game was a fluke enhanced by the gritty play by the Lithuanian coaches and players.

In a more relaxed 7 game series, the US would totally expose both Spain and Lithuania, and the margins of victory would leave absolutely no doubt on US superiority.

Whats surprising about Spains arguably best player playing good ? It was more surprising that he didn't play good in 2nd half but he was playing injured so you can't blame him .

[Andrew Wiggins]

Whats surprising about Spains arguably best player playing good ? It was more surprising that he didn't play good in 2nd half but he was playing injured so you can't blame him .

:roll: :roll:

[Sakkreth]

The closeness of Team USA's games against Lithuania and Spain have been used by pro Euro rooters, but it's not really a good gauge. In a one game must win situation, the highly favored team carries more pressure on it's shoulders than the underdog who often play like they have nothing to lose. The nerves of Team USA in an Olympic Final, unfamiliarity with little wrinkles the Spanish threw at them, and a surprisingly hot JCN in the 1st half could account for a closer than expected Olympic final.

With Lithuania, it's just a numbers game, really. No disrespect to the Lithuanians who know the game as well as ANYONE, and who have produced quality NBA players, and other world class ballers, but Team USA didn't play their best. Look at team USA's record, what like 64-1 since 2004, something like that. Eventually, playing quality teams in a tournament, they are liable to play a close game or two. They are , after all, human. How do we know that the US vs Lithuania game wasn't really suppose to be that close? Well, Nigeria beat Lithuania in the qualifiers. So Lithuania is good enough to make it to the Olympics, but not good enough to not lose sometimes to a 2nd tier power like Nigeria. Therefore, the close Lithuania USA game was a fluke enhanced by the gritty play by the Lithuanian coaches and players.

In a more relaxed 7 game series, the US would totally expose both Spain and Lithuania, and the margins of victory would leave absolutely no doubt on US superiority.

Lithuania lost to Nigeria on purpose to eliminate Venesuela which did some nasty thing as hosts for Lithuania NT, for Lithuania match didn't really meant anything.

[gabepizza]

Whats surprising about Spains arguably best player playing good ? It was more surprising that he didn't play good in 2nd half but he was playing injured so you can't blame him .


He didn't play good in the 2nd half because Kobe made it his mission to shut him down.

[CeltsGarlic]

1. Spain
2. Greece
3. Lithuania
4. Russia
5. Turkey

Thats incorrect.

[Fiba basketball]

He didn't play good in the 2nd half because Kobe made it his mission to shut him down.

Why didn't he made it his mission to shut him down in first half ?
What you said is just an atempt to overrated Kobes defense .

[Bandito]

Why didn't he made it his mission to shut him down in first half ?
What you said is just an atempt to overrated Kobes defense .
because old ass Kobe can't do it the whole game:roll:

[gabepizza]

Why didn't he made it his mission to shut him down in first half ?
What you said is just an atempt to overrated Kobes defense .

Teams make adjustments at the half. I just read somewhere that after Navarro torched USA in the first half Kobe asked Coach K if he could cover him in the 2nd half and he shut him down.

[BoutPractice]

Here's what Europeans have to choose from:
PG: Tony Parker/ Ricky Rubio/ Jose Calderon/Goran Dragic/ Dimitris Diamantidis
SG: Juanca Navarro/ Thabo Sefolosha / Rudy Fernandez/ Alexei Shved/ Marco Belinelli/ some of the PGs can be played at SG
SF: Luol Deng/ Danilo Gallinari/ Nic Batum/ Andrei Kirilenko / Ersan Ilyasova / Hedo Turkoglu / Kostas Papanikolaou
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/ Pau Gasol/ Serge Ibaka/ Nenad Krstic/ Boris Diaw/ Erazem Lorbek
C: Marc Gasol/ Joakim Noah /Nikola Pekovic /Omer Asik / Nikola Vucevic/ Marcin Gortat

It's remarkably easy to construct a frightening 10 man rotation with this choice.

Regardless of the examples from international competition, here we're talking about two teams that have NBA HOFers, MVPs, FMVPS, All-Stars...

USA may have the better backcourt, but Europe has the edge when it comes to bigs: Dirk, Pau, Marc, Noah, Pekovic, Ibaka etc. is an amazing pool to choose from.

Add the rest of the world with guys like Nash, Kyrie, Bogut, Ginobili, Scola, and Varejao, and USA is in big trouble.

[gabepizza]

Thats incorrect.

Well I am taking into account the past 7 or 8 years. If we go from the most current tournaments, the 2012 Olympic and Olympic qualifying tournament which including the top teams from Eurobasket it would be.
1. Spain
2. Russia
3. France
4. Lithuania
5. Greece
still very similar
The teams are pretty even, and if you take away an NBA star, like Parker from France or Gasol from Spain, the team would drop off a lot. It's not like Team USA which can trot out a team of 12 new players and still win gold.

Spain has been unquestionably the top European team in the world and the 2nd best NT behind USA, winning gold in the last two Eurobaskets and Silver, behind the US, in the last two Olympics, but when Pau decided to skip the 2010 WC Spain dropped to 6th place.

[gabepizza]

Here's what Europeans have to choose from:
PG: Tony Parker/ Ricky Rubio/ Jose Calderon/Goran Dragic/ Dimitris Diamantidis
SG: Juanca Navarro/ Thabo Sefolosha / Rudy Fernandez/ Alexei Shved/ Marco Belinelli/ some of the PGs can be played at SG
SF: Luol Deng/ Danilo Gallinari/ Nic Batum/ Andrei Kirilenko / Ersan Ilyasova / Hedo Turkoglu / Kostas Papanikolaou
PF: Dirk Nowitzki/ Pau Gasol/ Serge Ibaka/ Nenad Krstic/ Boris Diaw/ Erazem Lorbek
C: Marc Gasol/ Joakim Noah /Nikola Pekovic /Omer Asik / Nikola Vucevic/ Marcin Gortat

It's remarkably easy to construct a frightening 10 man rotation with this choice.

Regardless of the examples from international competition, here we're talking about two teams that have NBA HOFers, MVPs, FMVPS, All-Stars...

USA may have the better backcourt, but Europe has the edge when it comes to bigs: Dirk, Pau, Marc, Noah, Pekovic, Ibaka etc. is an amazing pool to choose from.

Add the rest of the world with guys like Nash, Kyrie, Bogut, Ginobili, Scola, and Varejao, and USA is in big trouble.

Kyrie Irving plays for Team USA. Both his parents are American, he was only born in Australia because his dad was playing ball there and he moved back to the states when he was two.

[Fiba basketball]

Teams make adjustments at the half. I just read somewhere that after Navarro torched USA in the first half Kobe asked Coach K if he could cover him in the 2nd half and he shut him down.

Well Kobe covered him in the first half too so as I said what you heard was just an atempt to overrated Kobes defense . USA didn't make any adjustments it's just that you can't expect a player to score like that whole game , for example Navarro didn't score or scored only couple of points in 2nd half of EL F4 against Real but in 1st half he was leading scorer of his team .

[Bandito]

Well Kobe covered him in the first half too so as I said what you heard was just an atempt to overrated Kobes defense . USA didn't make any adjustments it's just that you can't expect a player to score like that whole game , for example Navarro didn't score or scored only couple of points in 2nd half of EL F4 against Real but in 1st half he was leading scorer of his team .
What if Kobe turned it on in the second half? It does happen,so your argument is invalid.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kobe couldn't slow Navarro or Fernandez down in '08.

[Fiba basketball]

What if Kobe turned it on in the second half? It does happen,so your argument is invalid.

So why didn't he turned it on in the first when Navarro droped 19 on him ? I get if you don't take someone serious but you wouldn't wait for him to score 20 , and let's not forget that Kobe is suposed to be very competitive so that means he plays best he can all the time and never relaxes . As I said Navarro was injured ( http://kansascity.sbnation.com/oklahoma-city-thunder/2012/7/31/3206790/2012-team-usa-juan-carlos-navarro-injury-olympics ) so it's more likly to be that than someone stopping him .

[gabepizza]

So why didn't he turned it on in the first when Navarro droped 19 on him ? I get if you don't take someone serious but you wouldn't wait for him to score 20 , and let's not forget that Kobe is suposed to be very competitive so that means he plays best he can all the time and never relaxes . As I said Navarro was injured ( http://kansascity.sbnation.com/oklahoma-city-thunder/2012/7/31/3206790/2012-team-usa-juan-carlos-navarro-injury-olympics ) so it's more likly to be that than someone stopping him .

As I said teams make adjustments at the half. I definitely read or heard somewhere that Kobe asked or told Coach K that he wanted the assignment of Navarro in the 2nd half. I mean Navarro scored 19 in the first half and only 2 in the second? Probably in the first half Kobe would double team the Gasols or try to get steals or play more team defense and concentrate on offense while in the 2nd half his mission was just to shut down Navarro which was pretty successful. If Navarro was injured he would have been injured in the 1st half as well.

[BoutPractice]

gabepizza > Oh, you're right about Kyrie, forgot. Well, it's not like you need to add him anyway, the team would be pretty stacked without him already.

[Fiba basketball]

As I said teams make adjustments at the half. I definitely read or heard somewhere that Kobe asked or told Coach K that he wanted the assignment of Navarro in the 2nd half. I mean Navarro scored 19 in the first half and only 2 in the second? Probably in the first half Kobe would double team the Gasols or try to get steals or play more team defense and concentrate on offense while in the 2nd half his mission was just to shut down Navarro which was pretty successful. If Navarro was injured he would have been injured in the 1st half as well.
You heard that on this forum as did I but as I said it's just an atempt to overrate Kobes defense by his fans . You are only guessing that Kobe double teamed Gasol and even if he did he would have stop when Navarro score 10 pt he wouldn't have waited for him to score 20 . Yes Navarro was injured in 1st half too but he is that good of a player that even when injured can score 20 points in one half .

[Dr.J4ever]

Whats surprising about Spains arguably best player playing good ? It was more surprising that he didn't play good in 2nd half but he was playing injured so you can't blame him .

Correct me if I'm wrong about this(didn't do the research just basing it on memory), but I remember that JCN didn't have a particularly good tournament up to that point. So it was surely a surprise in that sense, at least. I know you and Euro Nazi have mentioned that he's on the decline, right?

The focus and worry of the US was on Spain's bigs, which they figured had an advantage on the inside.

[Dr.J4ever]

Well, I can concede FIBA's point a little,and say it was a mild surprise that JCN torched the US with 19 1st half points. JCN's a good player, but he's on the decline. It is fair to say he torched the US also in 2008 when the US knew he was one of their main weapons. Fair is fair.

No hate here for JCN. Thought he was a good player in the NBA, and he could have been better had he stayed. Wow, I'm rooting for Memphis in the Playoffs(anybody but Miami), and Memphis really needs some perimeter shooting right about now, and JCN would be perfect at this point.

[Euroleague]

Hey Euroleague, you revealed some things today. It seems you are not as bat crazy as you seem to be most of the time. You admitted USA is the best individual nation. You also put Rubio on your European team. In the past, you would say he was a scrub.

Also, all FIBA and I agreed on is that the NBA>Euroleague, and that VSpan is a top 50 player, instead of top 2 or top 3 as you claim. That's it and that's all.
I disagree about the top 50 thing, but it's acceptable.

You also didn't rank Greece among top countries over the last 10 years if I read it correctly? Even I would disagree with that. Greece would rank no.2, like Gabe said.

There was still a sprinkling of crazy stuff like Greece/Spain> USA, but at least it's not completely off the rails. And that reporting to the NBA BS is OFF the rails, totally. Whew!

Anyway, see. When your not totally unreasonable we can talk international ball.

You are a god damn ****ING SON OF A BITCH.

[KG215]

You are a god damn ****ING SON OF A BITCH.
So do you still think Spanoulis is the 3rd best player in the world?

[Euroleague]

C'mon, some of those quotes could be made up. At least show the link or your source. I Googled it, and there was nothing on that except a post by a fan on another website showing these same quotes.

Fact is V-Span didn't succeed in Houston. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances for this, but JVG would have wanted him to succeed, but VSpan didn't. Now JVG had a quote on this, about Vspans overall inefficiency(fouls, turnovers, low fg%, assists to to ratio) which I'm sure we can get, but acknowledge the fact of his failure in the NBA first, then we can speculate on why this was the case.

Personally, I think he could make an EFFECTIVE NBA PG, but superstar, no, but I could be wrong. I look at his back to back Eurolegue Final 4 MVP's, and think that he would at least make an impact in the NBA. But then, Anthony Parker did the same thing, and he was just a role player in the NBA. So it's tough to tell.

No he didn't you ****ing piece of shit.

[Euroleague]

Whats surprising about Spains arguably best player playing good ? It was more surprising that he didn't play good in 2nd half but he was playing injured so you can't blame him .

According to these ****ing morons here Navarro is a scrub that's not good enough to play in the NBA. Even though he is arguably the best Spanish player of all time, even in comparison to Pau, Epi, Corbalan, Herreros and guys like that.

That's why it is "surprising" to these freaking dumb asses. I've seen so many time where NBA only fans said something like, "Navarro played the best game of his life and Spain still lost by 7" and shit like that from these jerk water NBA only fan clowns.

Navarro has had 50 games better than that game, just that I have seen. That's how delusional most of these creeps here are.

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll:

Ask anyone in Europe that follows basketball, or in Spain specifically, and I guarantee at LEAST half the basketball fans will agree Navarro is the best Spanish player ever.

Among the European basketball fans I talk to, I'd say 6 out of 10 think so.

Navarro is universally considered in the best European shooting guards ever, along with guys like Belov, Petrovic, Galis, Kicanovic, and he's even surpassed ones like Marcioliunis, Danilovic, Myers, and so forth.

This guy is is an absolute legend. And for most is even the best Barca player ever, surpassing Epi.

Now when you get to Euroleague, he might be the best Euroleague two guard ever, and in the Spanish national team, he's right there with Pau as best ever.

He's probably right there with Herreros for best ever in the ACB.

Nothing laughable at all to say he's arguably the best Spanish player ever. Personally, for me, Navarro IS the best Spanish player ever.

[Euroleague]

He didn't play good in the 2nd half because Kobe made it his mission to shut him down.

Bullshit. He was playing at 70% with plantar fasciitis and just got tired. Besides that, he missed about 4 wide open shots, where Kobe was not even within 5 feet of guarding him.

Navarro missing wide open jumpers did not have one damn freaking thing to do with Kobe guarding him.

And news flash dumb ass, Kobe was guarding him in the first half also.

[Dr.J4ever]

According to these ****ing morons here Navarro is a scrub that's not good enough to play in the NBA. Even though he is arguably the best Spanish player of all time, even in comparison to Pau, Epi, Corbalan, Herreros and guys like that.

That's why it is "surprising" to these freaking dumb asses. I've seen so many time where NBA only fans said something like, "Navarro played the best game of his life and Spain still lost by 7" and shit like that from these jerk water NBA only fan clowns.

Navarro has had 50 games better than that game, just that I have seen. That's how delusional most of these creeps here are.

You know you would make a lot of progress if you stop misrepresenting people's arguments. No one has ever said that JCN is not a good player. The facts speak for themselves: he was 2nd team all-rookie in the NBA. He would have gotten better had HE STAYED. People understand this.

But I have seen a lot of your own posts in the past mention that JCN is declining. Correct? And in that particular tournament in last year's Olympics, he was struggling before the USA game.(you also mention his injury) Correct? So ergo, it was a mild surprise that he torched the US for 19 first half points. It's simple logic.

Stop being so full of hate. Breath in . Breath out. I can be your psychiatrist online, if you like. We will charge the fees to the NBA office since you say I work there. Okay?

[Euroleague]

You know you would make a lot of progress if you stop misrepresenting people's arguments. No one has ever said that JCN is not a good player. The facts speak for themselves: he was 2nd team all-rookie in the NBA. He would have gotten better had HE STAYED. People understand this.

But I have seen a lot of your own posts in the past mention that JCN is declining. Correct? And in that particular tournament in last year's Olympics, he was struggling before the USA game.(you also mention his injury) Correct? So ergo, it was a mild surprise that he torched the US for 19 first half points. It's simple logic.

Stop being so full of hate. Breath in . Breath out. I can be your psychiatrist online, if you like. We will charge the fees to the NBA office since you say I work there. Okay?

You are a totally insane psycho.

[AndOn3]

CP3/Westbrook/Curry
Kobe/Harden/Wade
Durant/Melo/George
LeBron/Duncan/Horford
Howard/Hibbert/Lopez

huh

[Iceman#44]

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