LeGawd: 30 points, 10 assists, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks, 50%FG

[Derivative]

+ Game Winner

LeGAWD!!!:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[pauk]

Forgot the most important part... the gamewinner

[francesco totti]

yeh big performance. and clutch baskets as well

a nice game he added to his resume.

[chosen_one6]

http://i.imgur.com/ZjCmMVN.gif

[Kews1]

impressive game by Lebron which would have been lost if not for that moment of brilliance with the game on the line, props to Lebron :bowdown:

[Twiens]

...and yet still unimpressive. George outplayed him, numbers lie

[HeatFanSince88]

We were all witnesses to this performance from a top 5 player all-time. we will be telling this game to our grandchildren. This is why hes the king.

[Kews1]

...and yet still unimpressive. George outplayed him, numbers lie

I dont know what world you live in where 30 points 10 assists and 10 rebounds is unimpressive :facepalm

[mikek85]

...and yet still unimpressive. George outplayed him, numbers lie

haha, 30, 10, 10 in the ECF and the winning shot is unimpressive? hahahahahaha

[chosen_one6]

...and yet still unimpressive. George outplayed him, numbers lie

You sound salty bro

[Fox]

...and yet still unimpressive. George outplayed him, numbers lie
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lol @ this Kobe stan. LeBron > Kobe right now. How mad are you right now?

LMAO @ claiming George outplayed him. LeBron was AMAZING and decided the game for the HEAT. Deal with it, fool.

[KG215]

It was an underwhelming impressive game if that makes sense. Not saying he wasn't good, because he was; he was really good as usual. It's probably just the standard he's set and speaks to how great he is, but it wasn't some kind of captivating, unforgettable playoff performance. It probably also had something to do with him being so passive in the 4th quarter and most of OT.

The game-winner was so simple, yet great at the same time. A lay-up is a lay-up, but the totality of the play itself was great. The execution was flawless.

[lakerspng]

his stats look great. he won the game with an incredible play but for most of the game his impact was soft. I don't know how you can argue that. Watch the game, he played passive and unsure for large stretches. Was a disappearing act for all but the last 2 seconds of overtime. It's going to go down as a great game for him, but watching it, it didn't feel like it. He wasn't the best player on the floor.

[lpublic_enemyl]

:cheers: ****ed around and got a triple double.... I gotta say it was a good day

[truhooper]

:cheers:

[DuMa]

his stats look great. he won the game with an incredible play but for most of the game his impact was soft. I don't know how you can argue that. Watch the game, he played passive and unsure for large stretches. Was a disappearing act for all but the last 2 seconds of overtime. It's going to go down as a great game for him, but watching it, it didn't feel like it. He wasn't the best player on the floor.

So who was the best player on the floor for GM 1?

[KG215]

He wasn't the best player on the floor.
I don't agree with this, but....


It's going to go down as a great game for him, but watching it, it didn't feel like it.
this is exactly how I feel.

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron James gets the first 30-pt, 10-reb, 10-ast, 3-blk playoff game in 27 years.

[Straight_Ballin]

It WOULD have been an epic performance but he tarnished it by traveling BADLY during the game winner. That's all anyone will remember once the slow motion vid makes its way to YouTube.

[Lebron23]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lol @ this Kobe stan. LeBron > Kobe right now. How mad are you right now?

LMAO @ claiming George outplayed him. LeBron was AMAZING and decided the game for the HEAT. Deal with it, fool.


This

LeBron will surpass Kobe this season if they winthe championship. LBJ already has more playoffs game winners than Kobe.

[Jacks3]

I thought George did a great job on him and he still got those numbers.

Pretty crazy.

[chosen_wun]

I agree with Kobetards. He did look lackluster out there...

LeBron can play out of rythm and passive and still finish with 30 point triple double.

Welcome to the LeBron era.

[lakerspng]

So who was the best player on the floor for GM 1?

Thought the most impactful player for the Heat was Birdman. Heat would have been down double digits without the hustle, effort, energy and plays he made when he was in the game.

The overall best player in the most crucial time of the game was Paul George. He played too passively for good chunks of the game as well but in crunch time his play dominated the game.

[Askmeificare]

http://s24.postimg.org/l95m0omrn/image.gif

[Lebron23]

It WOULD have been an epic performance but he tarnished it by traveling BADLY during the game winner. That's all anyone will remember once the slow motion vid makes its way to YouTube.


You are really an idiot. Go F*ck yourself D1ip$hit. Please learn the NBA rule assw1ipe.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmQDmepTig

The last play ^^^^

LEGOAT. He is going to be better than MJ. He just needs the rings now.

ALL WITNESS

[DuMa]

Thought the most impactful player for the Heat was Birdman. Heat would have been down double digits without the hustle, effort, energy and plays he made when he was in the game.

The overall best player in the most crucial time of the game was Paul George. He played too passively for good chunks of the game as well but in crunch time his play dominated the game.

Both wrong sorry. If PG played well all game long instead of only in the clutch, Pacers would have won easily. So thats on PG.

Birdman is a bench player. he was the hustle yes but most of his putbacks or dunks were assisted or because the defense had to help on lebron or wade. thats impact lebron has that doesnt count in the boxscore. this wasnt a great night for lebron but his B night is so so vastly superior than everyone else's game

[DMV2]

I only watched the final 2 mins of the 4th quarter and overtime, and George totally outperformed everybody incl LeBron. Pretty much after that pass to the bench, he did every on both ends. Even hit his 3 free throws. He just overplayed that last possession but could have gotten bailed out if Hibbert was in there.

The other 46 mins of the game, which I didn't see, I'll have to go by LeBron's stats to say he was better in the game.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Both wrong sorry. If PG played well all game long instead of only in the clutch, Pacers would have won easily. So thats on PG.

Birdman is a bench player. he was the hustle yes but most of his putbacks or dunks were assisted or because the defense had to help on lebron or wade. thats impact lebron has that doesnt count in the boxscore. this wasnt a great night for lebron but his B night is so so vastly superior than everyone else's game

LeBron drops 30 and a triple double with excellent FG% and 3 blocks, with the game winner, and still you say it's a "B" night for him.

Taking LeGoat for granted, imho.

LeBron passes Kobe on the all-time list this year if the Heat win the ring. He will challenge and pass MJ eventually, guaranteed.

[lakerspng]

Both wrong sorry. If PG played well all game long instead of only in the clutch, Pacers would have won easily. So thats on PG.

Birdman is a bench player. he was the hustle yes but most of his putbacks or dunks were assisted or because the defense had to help on lebron or wade. thats impact lebron has that doesnt count in the boxscore. this wasnt a great night for lebron but his B night is so so vastly superior than everyone else's game

Birdman won that game for the Heat. He pulled them out of their funk. He created his own possessions, twice he had back to back offensive rebounds. I hate Birdman, but he was their MVP in this game.

[lakerspng]

LeBron drops 30 and a triple double with excellent FG% and 3 blocks, with the game winner, and still you say it's a "B" night for him.

Taking LeGoat for granted, imho.

LeBron passes Kobe on the all-time list this year if the Heat win the ring. He will challenge and pass MJ eventually, guaranteed.

LeBron's not that good. sorry.

[lakeshow1]

This

LeBron will surpass Kobe this season if they winthe championship. LBJ already has more playoffs game winners than Kobe.

:oldlol:

Source?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

LeBron's not that good. sorry.

Haha kobestan, take your pill and swallow it. You are witnessing GREATNESS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmQDmepTig

[Mrofir]

I gotta say, Lebron's reaction post-GW was pretty cool.

I've seen players act calm after big shots like this but it always seems calculated. He legit looked like he knew it was going to happen that way and that there is no joy in winning game 1. Impressive.

Will be rooting for the Pacers and the Spurs but I gotta enjoy this too.

[Lebron23]

:oldlol:

Source?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279220

Pauk needs to update these stats.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Birdman won that game for the Heat. He pulled them out of their funk. He created his own possessions, twice he had back to back offensive rebounds. I hate Birdman, but he was their MVP in this game.

No. Birdman was the X Factor. Lebron was clearly the MVP.

[lakerspng]

Haha kobestan, take your pill and swallow it. You are witnessing GREATNESS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmQDmepTig

what are you, 10?

I've seen true greatness in 30+ years as a Lakers fan. Lebron will never come close to some of the performances and players I've been able to witness. Grow up.

[plowking]

They just need to let D Wade guard Paul George. He has more energy to expend on defense since hes not having to do as much on offense these days. Let Lebron carry the offensive load, and Wade will take care of George. He had him on clamps until they switched Lebron on him, who seemed like he didn't care about guarding him. Didn't even get his hand up on most of his shots.

Wade was fantastic on George tonight.

[MJ23forever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmQDmepTig

The last play ^^^^

LEGOAT. He is going to be better than MJ. He just needs the rings now.

ALL WITNESS

Holla at me when LeBron wins 6 rings.

[che guevara]

Thought the most impactful player for the Heat was Birdman. Heat would have been down double digits without the hustle, effort, energy and plays he made when he was in the game.

The overall best player in the most crucial time of the game was Paul George. He played too passively for good chunks of the game as well but in crunch time his play dominated the game.
You're an idiot if you think that. All of Birdman's buckets were created and spoonfed for him by Lebron + Wade.

[MJ23forever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmQDmepTig

The last play ^^^^

LEGOAT. He is going to be better than MJ. He just needs the rings now.

ALL WITNESS

>using your freak of nature size to get calls and charge through the lane to score easy baskets
>1 ring
>had to join a super team to get it
>goat

[lakeshow1]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279220

Pauk needs to update these stats.

If Pauk is the source I'd be a little concerned.

I think Lebron is a great player. I don't see him as a clutch player in the way that Jordan and Kobe were, but he has other attributes that are unique. He was not wanting the ball down the stretch, that was pretty obvious. But he made it happen when needed and deserves credit for that.

He still has quite a bit of ring winning to do before public consensus puts him above the greats. Fans of forums are always zealous and don't define public opinion.

[thabisyo]

The king :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DaSeba5]

Kobe stans talk about LeBron more than LeBron stans, which makes them more like LeBron stans than LeBron stans themselves.

[LongLiveTheKing]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279220

Pauk needs to update these stats.

Lebron is now 7 of 15 (47%) in Playoffs....

and this was also his 5th gamewinner this year.... most by anybody this year... he had also 1 gametying shot this season and 3 gamewinning assists...

and oh, he also leads the league in 4th quarter PPG (10.5 ppg) and clutch stats....

Not bad for a guy who.... "is not clutch...." (aimed at Kobetards)
Pauk :bowdown:

[Magic 32]

Pauk :bowdown:

Must be nice raking up game winners on layups against the Wizards and Vogel's

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/876/557/LeBronWINNER_original.gif?1369281147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw


Give me a Kobe jump shot in the face of tough western conference opposition.

[aj1987]

Must be nice raking up game winners on layups against the Wizards and Vogel's

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/876/557/LeBronWINNER_original.gif?1369281147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw


Give me a Kobe jump shot in the face of tough western conference opposition.
You mean the no defense conference?

[plowking]

Magic 32 with the copy and paste in each thread to try and get acknowledged lol...

[HeatFanSince88]

Must be nice raking up game winners on layups against the Wizards and Vogel's

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/876/557/LeBronWINNER_original.gif?1369281147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw


Give me a Kobe jump shot in the face of tough western conference opposition.

"tough western conference"? That must be why both Kobe and LBJ had better offensive numbers vs the West teams this year...

LeBron

http://oi44.tinypic.com/3144doj.jpg

Kobe

http://oi39.tinypic.com/5yyr6w.jpg

Not to mention the Heat had an even better winning percentage vs the West then the East. West plays no defense.

And there is no reason to shoot contested jumpshots when you have the ability to get to the rim. Ill take a layup over a contested jumpshot any day and so would any coach. It is the better basketball play. You show everyone that you are obviously some little asian kid that judges players based on whose top ten highlight looks cooler.

next....

[lebeast666]

Must be nice raking up game winners on layups against the Wizards and Vogel's

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/876/557/LeBronWINNER_original.gif?1369281147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpF1COUzoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw


Give me a Kobe jump shot in the face of tough western conference opposition.

Give you a Kobe jump shot? I think he gave you 28 and he bricked 21 of them.

[Greg Oden 50]

+ Game Winner

LeGAWD!!!:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
.banwagon fans :roll:

[Magic 32]

"tough western conference"? That must be why both Kobe and LBJ had better offensive numbers vs the West teams this year...

LeBron

http://oi44.tinypic.com/3144doj.jpg

Kobe

http://oi39.tinypic.com/5yyr6w.jpg

Not to mention the Heat had an even better winning percentage vs the West then the East. West plays no defense.

And there is no reason to shoot contested jumpshots when you have the ability to get to the rim. Ill take a layup over a contested jumpshot any day and so would any coach. It is the better basketball play. You show everyone that you are obviously some little asian kid that judges players based on whose top ten highlight looks cooler.

next....

Could it be that I was talking about the WC 10 years ago (since Kobe made most of his shots then).

:facepalm

[TheWalkman]

Magic 32 is having a full blown meltdown :roll: :roll:

http://i.imgur.com/GkTCVJY.gif

[Kingwillball]

This was not an A gm for LEbron SOmewhere between a B and a B+.. He had 5 fouls was not great on D at times and had a few TO's. Also deduct half a grade cause it took him OT to get triple double and not regulation but add half a point for game winner.

[NBAller]

lol @ a record breaking 30 point triple double game winning layup being lackluster or even unimpressive. if that was unimpressive, one can only imagine what is thought of about everyone else on the floor.

like the quote says, if you aren't being hated on you aren't doing something right. he's being hated on a lot, so he must be doing a lot right.

lets pretend this actually was just a passive game by lebron, imagine what he's supposedly actually capable of? witness greatness.....and dig deep to enjoy it cause your favorite player wishes he can do what lebron does, i know i do.

if you don't find him exciting because he isn't shooting a terrible shot over 3 people and making it, that just goes to show that not only is he a athletic freak but he's also a very smart player...that needs to be pointed out for some people on this website....

[K Xerxes]

what are you, 10?

I've seen true greatness in 30+ years as a Lakers fan. Lebron will never come close to some of the performances and players I've been able to witness. Grow up.

I don't know what rose-tinted glasses you've had on for the last 30 years, but I can only count in my hand the playoff performances in history comparable to LeBron's game 6. I'd say Magic's 42-15 and Michael's flu game are better, but that is as good as anything else I've ever seen. And that's not even counting the Detroit game where he scored 29 of his teams last 30 points. Just saying.

As for the actual performance yesterday, LeBron seemed lacklustre throughout the game (particularly 4th quarter and most of OT), and it might not have gone as smoothly with Hibbert still there, but there's just no way you can argue with a triple double and game winner. Even if it's a layup, it saved his team from a loss.

[LeBird]

Holla at me when LeBron wins 6 rings.

LeBron doesn't need 6 rings to be better than Jordan, the same way Jordan didn't need 11 to be better than Russell.

[Leftimage]

Just found out Lebron has the highest ppg of all time for conference finals... 31.2 (Jordan 31.0, Hakeem 30.4 round out the top 3)

[SpaceJammeR]

lol @ a record breaking 30 point triple double game winning layup being lackluster or even unimpressive. if that was unimpressive, one can only imagine what is thought of about everyone else on the floor.

like the quote says, if you aren't being hated on you aren't doing something right. he's being hated on a lot, so he must be doing a lot right.

lets pretend this actually was just a passive game by lebron, imagine what he's supposedly actually capable of? witness greatness.....and dig deep to enjoy it cause your favorite player wishes he can do what lebron does, i know i do.

if you don't find him exciting because he isn't shooting a terrible shot over 3 people and making it, that just goes to show that not only is he a athletic freak but he's also a very smart player...that needs to be pointed out for some people on this website....

great post. :bowdown:
lebron gets so much hate it's crazy. smh at idiots saying lebron had no impact or was not impressive this game.
30 10 10 and basically 2 clutch game winners and haters find something wrong still. lmao.
yet if kobe/melo/kd have a bad game but hit a game winner. they clutch right? right? i love ish.

[STATUTORY]

all that stats and barely a in over the pacers

:roll: lebron's just not built to be multiple time champion in this league like the kobes of the world.

[Leftimage]

all that stats and barely a in over the pacers

:roll: lebron's just not built to be multiple time champion in this league like the kobes of the world.

Bookmarked for future humiliation purposes.

[cookiemonster]

How can a Laker fan say his impact was soft? I felt he played a very Magic-like game last night. He controlled the tempo when he was in, he was setting people up all night. Very efficient.


his stats look great. he won the game with an incredible play but for most of the game his impact was soft. I don't know how you can argue that. Watch the game, he played passive and unsure for large stretches. Was a disappearing act for all but the last 2 seconds of overtime. It's going to go down as a great game for him, but watching it, it didn't feel like it. He wasn't the best player on the floor.

[Greg Oden 50]

LeBron doesn't need 6 rings to be better than Jordan, the same way Jordan didn't need 11 to be better than Russell.

when james avg 40 ppg in one series as jordan did at 1993 :roll:

[Ai2death]

LeBron will never be better then Jordan. Deal with it.

[plowking]

LeBron will never be better then Jordan. Deal with it.

He is better. Deal with it.

[r15mohd]

since when is being 2nd to MJ a bad thing? too funny!

[chosen_wun]

Comparing LeBron to Jordan is the source of the hate. To the casual mind you have to play the game just like Jordan in order to be as good or better than him.

They cannot fathom a facilatator being compared to Jordan.

[LeBird]

when james avg 40 ppg in one series as jordan did at 1993 :roll:

How about Jordan averaging 50 like Wilt did over a whole season?

[LBJ 23]

He actually made a potential game-winning layup(should have been and1) with around 10 seconds left and a gamewinning layup with 2 sec left. And according to haters he's not clutch :oldlol:

Now they're saying that this game was nothing special because he didn't dominate for the whole game(even though he ended up with 30-10-10), but in the past dominating throughout the whole game was not important, only ''clutch time'' or ''when it really matters'' mattered back then. Ridiculous what kind of standards Lebron is setting and even more ridiculous is how the haters are starting to totally contradict to themselves and grasping at straws.

[Rasheed1]

He actually made a potential game-winning layup(should have been and1) with around 10 seconds left and a gamewinning layup with 2 sec left. And according to haters he's not clutch :oldlol:

Now they're saying that this game was nothing special because he didn't dominate for the whole game(even though he ended up with 30-10-10), but in the past dominating throughout the whole game was not important, only ''clutch time'' or ''when it really matters'' mattered back then. Ridiculous what kind of standards Lebron is setting and even more ridiculous is how the haters are starting to totally contradict to themselves and grasping at straws.


:oldlol: the goal post is moving pretty fast these days.. they are running out of places to move it

[Magic 32]

:oldlol: the goal post is moving pretty fast these days.. they are running out of places to move it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBseRlgoSLc

Here you go.

[K Xerxes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBseRlgoSLc

Here you go.

:bowdown:

[LikeABosh]

Only 50% shooting. Tighten it up Lebrick :facepalm

[dh144498]

when james avg 40 ppg in one series as jordan did at 1993 :roll:

this.
Lebron's career avg: 28-7-7 49/34/75, playoff avg: 28-9-7, 47/31/75
MJ's career avg: 30-6-5 50/33/84, playoff avg: 33-6-6, 49/33/83
without Wizards: 32-6-5 52/33/84

that's including MJ's 2nd comeback with the wizards which proved that he did not play for the stats, but just for the love of the game. Something I can't say for Lebron because he clearly cherry picks his shots to protect his FG% and still doesn't have a better FG% than MJ and has less points.

[Segatti]

this.
Lebron's career avg: 28-7-7 49/34/75, playoff avg: 28-9-7, 47/31/75
MJ's career avg: 30-6-5 50/33/84, playoff avg: 33-6-6, 49/33/83
without Wizards: 32-6-5 52/33/84

that's including MJ's 2nd comeback with the wizards which proved that he did not play for the stats, but just for the love of the game. Something I can't say for Lebron because he clearly cherry picks his shots to protect his FG% and still doesn't have a better FG% than MJ and has less points.

This. Even Jordan shooting more and more difficult shots he has better fg%.

[Scholar]

...and yet still unimpressive. George outplayed him, numbers lie

http://i.minus.com/idrgZW.gif

[BBallZen83]

It WOULD have been an epic performance but he tarnished it by traveling BADLY during the game winner. That's all anyone will remember once the slow motion vid makes its way to YouTube.
It's called a gather step. Look it up. This comment just makes you appear ignorant to the rules of basketball.

[Unbiased_one]

this.
Lebron's career avg: 28-7-7 49/34/75, playoff avg: 28-9-7, 47/31/75
MJ's career avg: 30-6-5 50/33/84, playoff avg: 33-6-6, 49/33/83
without Wizards: 32-6-5 52/33/84

that's including MJ's 2nd comeback with the wizards which proved that he did not play for the stats, but just for the love of the game. Something I can't say for Lebron because he clearly cherry picks his shots to protect his FG% and still doesn't have a better FG% than MJ and has less points.

You do realize that if you 'cherry-pick' shots then your ppg goes down? I have yet to see any evidence that LeBron cherry pick shots...he made the most fgs in the nba from 10+ft this season. Also, the heat have played 42 quarters (including ot) this postseason. LeBron has been on the floor at the end of 37 of them, and has taken a 15+ ft shot attempt in the the last 2 seconds of 22 of them.

[Rasheed1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBseRlgoSLc

Here you go.


Thats some great stuff.. Dont see what it has to do with what I said.. I didnt compare Lebron to Mj...

Mj is still better but Lebron is arguably number 2...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Thats some great stuff.. Dont see what it has to do with what I said.. I didnt compare Lebron to Mj...

Mj is still better but Lebron is arguably number 2...

Number 2 all-time? Arguably better than Wilt, Kareem, Magic and Bird? Not hating..just want you to expand on that.

[Rasheed1]

Number 2 all-time? Arguably better than Wilt, Kareem, Magic and Bird? Not hating..just want you to expand on that.


Im saying... He's putting together a pretty impressive resume right now.... 4 MVPs, he is working on his titles.. He can get a triple dub in his sleep... the guy has all the tools any player could ask for. He is big, he's fast. He can score, dish, rebound, defend all at a pretty high level. He also impresses me because he plays the game more like magic than Mj, but at the same time he can score whenever he chooses.. he could be like either one of those guys on any given night

We just gotta let his career play out and see where he winds up.

He not close to Mj yet (but nobody is)... But I think he is on track to be at least #2

If you wanna still put some of other all time greats over him? :confusedshrug: I wont argue, because he still has at least 3 or 4 titles to win before we start to :bowdown: to this guy..... but he is a very impressive guy and I am interested in seeing how his career plays out.

[All Net]

Im saying... He's putting together a pretty impressive resume right now.... 4 MVPs, he is working on his titles.. He can get a triple dub in his sleep... the guy has all the tools any player could ask for. He is big, he's fast. He can score, dish, rebound, defend all at a pretty high level. He also impresses me because he plays the game more like magic than Mj, but at the same time he can score whenever he chooses.. he could be like either one of those guys on any given night

We just gotta let his career play out and see where he winds up.

He not close to Mj yet (but nobody is)... But I think he is on track to be at least #2

If you wanna still put some of other all time greats over him? :confusedshrug: I wont argue, because he still has at least 3 or 4 titles to win before we start to :bowdown: to this guy..... but he is a very impressive guy and I am interested in seeing how his career plays out.

Yep

He's well on his way to 4-5 all time if he does win titles....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Im saying... He's putting together a pretty impressive resume right now.... 4 MVPs, he is working on his titles.. He can get a triple dub in his sleep... the guy has all the tools any player could ask for. He is big, he's fast. He can score, dish, rebound, defend all at a pretty high level. He also impresses me because he plays the game more like magic than Mj, but at the same time he can score whenever he chooses.. he could be like either one of those guys on any given night

Disagree somewhat, but it's not worth debating. Lebron is a force to be reckoned with. Point blank.


We just gotta let his career play out and see where he winds up.

He not close to Mj yet (but nobody is)... But I think he is on track to be at least #2

If you wanna still put some of other all time greats over him? :confusedshrug: I wont argue, because he still has at least 3 or 4 titles to win before we start to :bowdown: to this guy..... but he is a very impressive guy and I am interested in seeing how his career plays out.

Yea..for sure. As long as Miami keeps winning, and Bron continues to play at a HIGH level, he is well on his way.

[Solefade]

Im saying... He's putting together a pretty impressive resume right now.... 4 MVPs, he is working on his titles.. He can get a triple dub in his sleep... the guy has all the tools any player could ask for. He is big, he's fast. He can score, dish, rebound, defend all at a pretty high level. He also impresses me because he plays the game more like magic than Mj, but at the same time he can score whenever he chooses.. he could be like either one of those guys on any given night

We just gotta let his career play out and see where he winds up.

He not close to Mj yet (but nobody is)... But I think he is on track to be at least #2

If you wanna still put some of other all time greats over him? :confusedshrug: I wont argue, because he still has at least 3 or 4 titles to win before we start to :bowdown: to this guy..... but he is a very impressive guy and I am interested in seeing how his career plays out.

Good post. :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Does it worry any heat fans that Lebron played of his mind, wade played well and had a few clutch shots as well as bosh playing well and being clutch yet Miami was still 2 seconds away from losing?

If Lebron doesn't have a trip dub & game winner 3 more times do they still win the series?

[TheWalkman]

Does it worry any heat fans that Lebron played of his mind, wade played well and had a few clutch shots as well as bosh playing well and being clutch yet Miami was still 2 seconds away from losing?

If Lebron doesn't have a trip dub & game winner 3 more times do they still win the series?

Don't forget Birdman was 7/7 :lol :lol

[Living Being]

LeBron makes for damn sure he gets his stats. 30-10-10 lmao
If he just played the game to win, he wouldn't have needed that wide-open game-winning layup.

[All Net]

LeBron makes for damn sure he gets his stats. 30-10-10 lmao
If he just played the game to win, he wouldn't have needed that wide-open game-winning layup.

Hopefully you are joking...

[SamuraiSWISH]

Hopefully you are joking...
Are you?

I watched the game last night, there is literally stretches where you can see the thought bubble over his head consciously trying to pad specific areas on the stat column.

Where as there was stretches of the game where he was getting to the basket at will, and could score and just stopped doing it. Like possession after possession he could've scored and inflated the lead but he takes his foot off the pedal.

That's why some have the view point that he isn't always playing the best organic way to win, but is instead focusing too intently on little side games like grabbing an extra board here or there, instead of just doing what is best within context to advance the lead or win a game.

He disappeared too long in stretches for scoring for my liking when NO ONE could guard him off the dribble. George couldn't, Hill couldn't, Stephenson couldn't ... and there was times where he wasn't even looking for his shot.

[tmacattack33]

Does it worry any heat fans that Lebron played of his mind, wade played well and had a few clutch shots as well as bosh playing well and being clutch yet Miami was still 2 seconds away from losing?

If Lebron doesn't have a trip dub & game winner 3 more times do they still win the series?

Wade was not all that good. He's still hurting obviously.

Bosh wasn't that great either.

[Living Being]

Are you?

I watched the game last night, there is literally stretches where you can see the thought bubble over his head consciously trying to pad specific areas on the stat column.

Where as there was stretches of the game where he was getting to the basket at will, and could score and just stopped doing it. Like possession after possession he could've scored and inflated the lead but he takes his foot off the pedal.

That's why some have the view point that he isn't always playing the best organic way to win, but is instead focusing too intently on little side games like grabbing an extra board here or there, instead of just doing what is best within context to advance the lead or win a game.

He disappeared too long in stretches for scoring for my liking when NO ONE could guard him off the dribble. George couldn't, Hill couldn't, Stephenson couldn't ... and there was times where he wasn't even looking for his shot.
:cheers:

[Solefade]

Are you?

I watched the game last night, there is literally stretches where you can see the thought bubble over his head consciously trying to pad specific areas on the stat column.

Where as there was stretches of the game where he was getting to the basket at will, and could score and just stopped doing it. Like possession after possession he could've scored and inflated the lead but he takes his foot off the pedal.

That's why some have the view point that he isn't always playing the best organic way to win, but is instead focusing too intently on little side games like grabbing an extra board here or there, instead of just doing what is best within context to advance the lead or win a game.

He disappeared too long in stretches for scoring for my liking when NO ONE could guard him off the dribble. George couldn't, Hill couldn't, Stephenson couldn't ... and there was times where he wasn't even looking for his shot.


Or maybe it makes more sense to say he was exhausted because he played 47 minutes while playing both defense and offense and wanted to take some plays off or impact the game in another way where he doesn't have to exert as much energy so he can close the game? To say "he was thinking about his stats in the middle of the game he wasn't sure he was going to win" is reaching pretty far. :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wade was not all that good. He's still hurting obviously.

Bosh wasn't that great either.


Wade had a huge lay up with under a minute left & bosh had that crucial offensive rebound + the bucket & the foul which saved the game for the heat

[tmacattack33]

Are you?

I watched the game last night, there is literally stretches where you can see the thought bubble over his head consciously trying to pad specific areas on the stat column.

Where as there was stretches of the game where he was getting to the basket at will, and could score and just stopped doing it. Like possession after possession he could've scored and inflated the lead but he takes his foot off the pedal.

That's why some have the view point that he isn't always playing the best organic way to win, but is instead focusing too intently on little side games like grabbing an extra board here or there, instead of just doing what is best within context to advance the lead or win a game.

He disappeared too long in stretches for scoring for my liking when NO ONE could guard him off the dribble. George couldn't, Hill couldn't, Stephenson couldn't ... and there was times where he wasn't even looking for his shot.

Your train of thought here has a big hole in it...points are stats too, and probably the most impressive stats when looking at a stat sheet. So, if Lebron likes stats so much, then why would he purposefully stop scoring?



Also, from watching Lebron over the years, I don't know if I've ever seen a player get 20 first quarter points or 35 first half points and then not try to go after 50 points unnaturally in the second half. Many other players try way too hard to keep racking up points...Lebron only keeps shooting if it's there.

[PJR]

That darn LeBron always looking to pad his stats. If he actually played 'organically' or played strictly for the win, than perhaps the Heat would be 53-0 in their last 53 games, instead of this measly 48-5 stretch.


















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[imdaman99]

are we supposed to be impressed by his 50% FG? :lol

[RRR3]

are we supposed to be impressed by his 50% FG? :lol
Nope. Below average for LeBron, I agree. Off game, but I'm sure he'll bounce back.

[imdaman99]

Nope. Below average for LeBron, I agree. Off game, but I'm sure he'll bounce back.
lets go pacers :coleman: lol

[tmacattack33]

Wade had a huge lay up with under a minute left & bosh had that crucial offensive rebound + the bucket & the foul which saved the game for the heat

Yeah i saw that and those plays were huge, but i was responding to someone who said that Miami is in bad shape that they won by only 1 point despite Wade and Bosh having good games...and overall, Wade and Bosh both had subpar games. Both of them can do a whole lot better.

[RRR3]

lets go pacers :coleman: lol
LOL I thought they were going to win for sure once George hit that bullshit three.

[imdaman99]

LOL I thought they were going to win for sure once George hit that bullshit three.
honestly they should have, if they play proper defense on that last play of the game. sam young no help :facepalm

[RRR3]

honestly they should have, if they play proper defense on that last play of the game. sam young no help :facepalm
It would have been over before that if Ray Allen could hit a goddamn free throw.

[imdaman99]

It would have been over before that if Ray Allen could hit a goddamn free throw.
finally the real ray allen came out. ok, the real OLD ray allen. exposed yesterday. i hope the pacers arent counting on him to miss again in the future.

[Graviton]

Offensively he was great, but I was really pissed about his lazy defense. If you just look at the box score you would think he was amazing all game and destroyed the Pacers, but it really wasn't that impressive of a game(by his playoff standards).

He was late contesting or not even raising a hand multiple times, he wasn't even trying to cover West/Hibbert when he was in a position to contest them or grab a rebound but instead allowed them to get open dunks/layups. He was guarding scrubass Stephenson or Hill most of the time, didn't even switch on West to show us his lockdown "can guard every position" ability when West was killing them in 1st half, and when he was on George he just let him blow by him or let him shoot jumpers without contesting.

It's clear to me Lebron can't guard 4-5, especially against Pacers. Hope people stop overrating his defense and repeating same old "he can guard 5 positions at an elite level" bullshit.

People who watch lot of Heat games know what I mean, you know how when he runs at shooters he doesn't even contest but does his special "intimidation" move where he steps up and pretends to go for a block but instead stays down and stands in front of you like a statue. It's like people are so scared of his reputation they screw up themselves. Players just need to treat Lebron like anyone else, stop being so scared of driving or shooting against him, he is not gonna lock you down, he is not gonna block your shot straight up, he is not even gonna contest. His game is based around the threat of his ability, not his actual performance with said ability.

[Living Being]

Offensively he was great, but I was really pissed about his lazy defense. If you just look at the box score you would think he was amazing all game and destroyed the Pacers, but it really wasn't that impressive of a game(by his playoff standards).

He was late contesting or not even raising a hand multiple times, he wasn't even trying to cover West/Hibbert when he was in a position to contest them or grab a rebound but instead allowed them to get open dunks/layups. He was guarding scrubass Stephenson or Hill most of the time, didn't even switch on West to show us his lockdown "can guard every position" ability when West was killing them in 1st half, and when he was on George he just let him blow by him or let him shoot jumpers without contesting.

It's clear to me Lebron can't guard 4-5, especially against Pacers. Hope people stop overrating his defense and repeating same old "he can guard 5 positions at an elite level" bullshit.

People who watch lot of Heat games know what I mean, you know how when he runs at shooters he doesn't even contest but does his special "intimidation" move where he steps up and pretends to go for a block but instead stays down and stands in front of you like a statue. It's like people are so scared of his reputation they screw up themselves. Players just need to treat Lebron like anyone else, stop being so scared of driving or shooting against him, he is not gonna lock you down, he is not gonna block your shot straight up, he is not even gonna contest. His game is based around the threat of his ability, not his actual performance with said ability.
This comment sounds like you are talking about his all-around game, and not just defense. Regardless, this is why LeBron fills up the stat sheet. Stats show that it is not just a threat (30/10/10, 3 blks). I think it would be safer to say he doesn't want the number under his Fouls column to increase, so he doesn't fully engage defensively head-on, but gets steals in the passing lane and blocks from behind.

[Graviton]

This comment sounds like you are talking about his all-around game, and not just defense. Regardless, this is why LeBron fills up the stat sheet. Stats show that it is not just a threat (30/10/10, 3 blks). I think it would be safer to say he doesn't want the number under his Fouls column to increase, so he doesn't fully engage defensively head-on, but gets steals in the passing lane and blocks from behind.
Yea exactly, I think he CAN be a lockdown defender and intense man to man cover. But he seriously is passive a lot and tries not to pick up any fouls and that makes him "give up" on quite a few plays. Still, I like watching good defense and seeing him so lazy is annoying as hell.

Past 2 seasons I have noticed Miami doesn't get as many fastbreak dunks and alley oops though, they were more focused on defense and turnovers in 2010-2012. They are actually changing as a team and concentrating more on offense with their intense D only in last 5 minutes of 4th quarter. Wade declining may have something to do with their fewer highlight plays as well.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yea exactly, I think he CAN be a lockdown defender and intense man to man cover. But he seriously is passive a lot and tries not to pick up any fouls and that makes him "give up" on quite a few plays. Still, I like watching good defense and seeing him so lazy is annoying as hell.
Word, and completely agree. LeBron's laziness on man defense is the exact polar opposite of Kobe. LeBron focuses on rotations and help defense (where Kobe sleeps and saves energy) but Kobe goes HARD on man defense, and that's where LeBron becomes passive. It's also a test of one's mettle more in on ball situations. Things LeBron is typicall shy of and personalities like MJ, Kobe, Westbrook, and Wade used to thrive in. In order to avoid fouls or what, LeBron definitely is passive with his on ball defense. LeBron's man defense definitely leaves a lot to be desired. He didn't even contest that game tying 3 ball from George.

To me it's more exciting to watch man defensive skills. It takes SIGNIFICANT more amounts of talent to lock an NBA player up in ISO situations. It's predicated on mental toughness, reflexes, foot work, lateral quickness, intelligence, and anticipation skills. Help defense is purely an effort thing. Anyone can do it if they really put their mind to it, especially if they have insane amounts of athleticism to help recover and disrupt offensive schemes with their physical gifts.

[tpols]

How does help defense not require reflexes, intelligence, anticipation, etc.?

It's like being a corner back in a zone scheme shutting a side of the field down. Hardly just about effort.. You have to have complete awareness of the ball handler while using peripherals to track moving guys behind and to the sides of you. You have to read the entire play as it breaks down and jump at an opportunity when you see a pattern or a slip.

Not to mention doubling which requires perfect timing/angling/and sneakiness if it's on a post player(watched jkidd swoop in from behind for strips all day). shot blocking also requires perfect timing and and positioning so you don't foul.

[SamuraiSWISH]

How does help defense not require reflexes, intelligence, anticipation, etc.?
It helps, but man defense requires A LOT more. It's more of a reactionary thing. No one dare say Iverson was an elite defender, but he wreaked havoc in passing lanes by gambling. You can't gamble and be a great on ball defender. There in lies the difference.

[tazb]

It's crazy how LeBron has been coasting the whole regular season, and for the most part of the playoffs. Then when the ECF comes by, has monster games like these. WITNESS!

[tpols]

It helps, but man defense requires A LOT more. It's more of a reactionary thing. No one dare say Iverson was an elite defender, but he wreaked havoc in passing lanes by gambling. You can't gamble and be a great on ball defender. There in lies the difference.
Yea but some great help defenders, like Tim Duncan, hardly ever gamble. Probably never. But his positioning, knowing when to rotate, instincts for knowing when the shot was gonna go up aka not biting, were all great.

That probably does apply to perimeter players more though since they cover such a wider stretch of ground.

[tazb]

Does it worry any heat fans that Lebron played of his mind, wade played well and had a few clutch shots as well as bosh playing well and being clutch yet Miami was still 2 seconds away from losing?

If Lebron doesn't have a trip dub & game winner 3 more times do they still win the series?

No.

How about David West shooting 64% from the field when his average is 48% for the playoffs. Or how about Paul George shooting 50% from the 3 when his average is a staggering 29% for the playoffs.

:facepalm