Boston could possibly draft shabazz muhammad.

[dbk123]

He may drop all the way down to 16. Think he could be a good replacement for pierce once he retires?

[maybeshewill13]

Wasn't this guy meant to be one of the next big things like a year ago? :lol

[plowking]

Did his stock really take a big hit because of the age thing? Doesn't really seem to change much I don't think, but then again, I haven't watched much of him throughout the college season.

[I<3NBA]

Lol at the Perkins avy

[dbk123]

Did his stock really take a big hit because of the age thing? Doesn't really seem to change much I don't think, but then again, I haven't watched much of him throughout the college season.
hes supposedly a 3 and at only 6'6 it didnt look to good to teams. Also the age thing and he didnt shoot that well during drills at the combine.

[RedBlackAttack]

Did his stock really take a big hit because of the age thing? Doesn't really seem to change much I don't think, but then again, I haven't watched much of him throughout the college season.
It wasn't just the age thing.

He's an excellent natural scorer, but somewhat limited in his arsenal and playmaking ability, maybe because he doesn't seem like a really great natural athlete.

He showed nice range on his jumper and an ability to finish driving right, but he is essentially a one-handed player at this stage. He almost never drives right and can't really finish with his right hand.

He also isn't a willing or good passer and he takes a lot of bad shots. He's not the kind of guy who's going to get other guys involved when the ball is in his hands, at least not at this stage.

Also, his defense is not a strong suit. I've seen reports listing him as lazy getting back and with inconsistent effort on that end.

Throw in the the red flags, not just with his lying about his age, but he's looked at as selfish... Which has a lot to do with the video of a teammate hitting a game-winning shot and 'Bazz looking p!ssed that he didn't get to take the shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqoIq2mKfc0

If your team needs a guy who can just shoot well and provide consistent scoring, Shabazz can certainly do that. If your looking for anything more, it may be a crap shoot.

EDITED for right hand.

[Jyap9675]

Deal this guy to the spurs. Pop will straighten him out

[dbk123]

It wasn't just the age thing.

He's an excellent natural scorer, but somewhat limited in his arsenal and playmaking ability, maybe because he doesn't seem like a really great natural athlete.

He showed nice range on his jumper and an ability to finish driving right, but he is essentially a one-handed player at this stage. He almost never drives left and can't really finish with his left hand.

He also isn't a willing or good passer and he takes a lot of bad shots. He's not the kind of guy who's going to get other guys involved when the ball is in his hands, at least not at this stage.

Also, his defense is not a strong suit. I've seen reports listing him as lazy getting back and with inconsistent effort on that end.

Throw in the the red flags, not just with his lying about his age, but he's looked at as selfish... Which has a lot to do with the video of a teammate hitting a game-winning shot and 'Bazz looking p!ssed that he didn't get to take the shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqoIq2mKfc0

If your team needs a guy who can just shoot well and provide consistent scoring, Shabazz can certainly do that. If your looking for anything more, it may be a crap shoot.

what do you mean he cant finish with his left? dis nikka is left handed

[RedBlackAttack]

what do you mean he cant finish with his left? dis nikka is left handed
Sorry... Brain fart on my part. Just take everything I said and apply it to his right hand. Doesn't drive right. Doesn't finish with his right.

[tomtucker]

hate that guy............remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqoIq2mKfc0

[DuMa]

potential is harden but i dont know if hes quick enough to play SG.

[dbk123]

potential is harden but i dont know if hes quick enough to play SG.
:wtf:
the only thing he and harden have in common is that theyre lefties. shabazz doesnt have hardens ball handling or playmaking skills.

[El Kabong]

Might as well take the risk if you're Boston. They need younger talent if KG and Pierce have another run. Picking at #16, him being a bust won't set them back a huge deal, but if he turns out to be something, then all the better.

[HarryCallahan]

If i'm Boston I try and get Steven Adams.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Might as well take the risk if you're Boston. They need younger talent if KG and Pierce have another run. Picking at #16, him being a bust won't set them back a huge deal, but if he turns out to be something, then all the better.
pretty much.

[Kews1]

If i'm Boston I try and get Steven Adams.

That's who id like them to take as well :applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

How about Dieng?

That seems right in the range he's expected to go. Good defensive player, underrated offensive skill. I've seen some "experts" say he is the best passing big man in the draft.

Plus, at 23, he is one of the oldest and most seasoned players in the draft. If the Cs are planning on maybe one more run with their current group, he could provide the most immediate impact available.

[Kews1]

Steve Adams is super athletic and fast for a C, i dont see him having injury issues based on how good he seems athletically. Plus he has size hes about 6-11 i think about 7ft in shoes. He wont be a star but i think we should pick up a nice athletic center. Thats what i want. NOW GET IT DONE DANNY

[Rowe]

:wtf:
the only thing he and harden have in common is that theyre lefties. shabazz doesnt have hardens ball handling or playmaking skills.

Harden wasn't the player he is now at that stage of 1 year in college.

Just like Bazz was a different player in HS being viewed as a left-handed Richard Jefferson who gets by on finishing with athleticism but can't shoot consistently. Then he went to college and practically ran off screens hitting jumpers at an efficient rate. So players can adapt.

We don't know what else Bazz would add to his game had he came back for another year in college with scouts noting that he needed to improve as a ballhandler to round out his game. But the Harden comparison is pretty close because Harden found out ways to compensate for having no right hand whatsoever and turned it into getting to the FT line at a high rate.

[ProfessorMurder]

Steve Adams is super athletic and fast for a C, i dont see him having injury issues based on how good he seems athletically. Plus he has size hes about 6-11 i think about 7ft in shoes. He wont be a star but i think we should pick up a nice athletic center. Thats what i want. NOW GET IT DONE DANNY

No combo guard, no deal.

[Scholar]

Shabazz is probably the most immature player coming into the NBA... Ever. Worse than DMC.

Much. Worse.

Either way, though, whatever team does draft him won't be too bad out of luck if it's not within the lottery picks. He might have the skills to be a top draft pick but not the mental fortitude.

[longtime lurker]

Shabazz sounds like a straight slasher type player. Might be a good addition to Boston with Jeff Green. I've come to realize that the whole "attitude" thing is generally overblown and if a player falls for "attitude" concerns then you're getting a steal.

[Shade8780]

Steven Adams should be top of our list. He's a big man with heaps of potential but is still very raw. I'm not sure anymore if he'll fall to us after that great Combine performance he had. Shabazz, I'll be very surprised if he fell to us. I'd probably take him unless Adams is still available.

But honestly, both of them most likely will be taken by our pick, so I guess I'd take Dieng. Seems like a pretty good player who is skilled right now and still has some potential. I'd be happy with Schroeder as well. I think he'll be a great player, All-Star material. I'd consider taking him. Rondo and Schroeder would be really nice. Hopefully, Ainge just gets a good player who will help us in whatever direction were going next year (Hopefully we start rebuilding). Danny seems pretty high on Antetokounmpo so we could be getting him.

[taucesays]

Shabazz is probably the most immature player coming into the NBA... Ever. Worse than DMC.

Much. Worse.

Either way, though, whatever team does draft him won't be too bad out of luck if it's not within the lottery picks. He might have the skills to be a top draft pick but not the mental fortitude.

You have no idea what you're talking about

[brantonli]

Shabazz sounds like a straight slasher type player. Might be a good addition to Boston with Jeff Green. I've come to realize that the whole "attitude" thing is generally overblown and if a player falls for "attitude" concerns then you're getting a steal.


Demarcus Cousins still pouts and blows up like a little baby, it's actually quite amusing seeing a 'professional' with the maturity level of a 16 year old. I guess maturity isn't that big of an issue if you are looking at role players though. But I don't think it's overblown, look at Terrence Williams, has a great skillset, put up a triple double once, and can barely get off the bench.

[veilside23]

i dont know but shabazz i think can play the 2 along side pierce... if kg and pierce stays then its a toss up between shabazz, adams and hardaway jr for me...

i dont know if we pick dieng since we have fab melo.

[el gringos]

If i'm Boston I try and get Steven Adams.
They would be lucky to get either. They'll both go before 16

[HylianNightmare]

Lmao like he will still be on the board at 16

[Fudge]

Dude is NOT gonna drop to 16. :oldlol:

He'll probably still land somewhere in the Top 10.

[longtime lurker]

Demarcus Cousins still pouts and blows up like a little baby, it's actually quite amusing seeing a 'professional' with the maturity level of a 16 year old. I guess maturity isn't that big of an issue if you are looking at role players though. But I don't think it's overblown, look at Terrence Williams, has a great skillset, put up a triple double once, and can barely get off the bench.

True lets be honest though the whole Sacramento organization is dysfunctional. Cousins is a knuckle head but I guarantee you teams like the Sixers, Nets and Wolves are regretting passing up on him in the draft. The talent is there. I'm just saying that these maturity issues are often overblown and there are examples of players smartening up in the right system. I'll admit though Terrence williams I got no excuse for him :oldlol:

[outbreak]

Isn't he still answering questions about taking money and faked grades or something too? There's knocks on his character, commitment and he has struggled shooting. I still think he will be a good pick up but he won't be a star

[taucesays]

Isn't he still answering questions about taking money and faked grades or something too? There's knocks on his character, commitment and he has struggled shooting. I still think he will be a good pick up but he won't be a star

No and no. His shooting is fine for a guy with 0 professional experience. He'll never be Kevin Durant but he'll have a good NBA career.

[ballup]

Dude is NOT gonna drop to 16. :oldlol:

He'll probably still land somewhere in the Top 10.
You never know. DeJuan Blair dropped to the second round when he was predicted as a mid first round pick.

[taucesays]

You never know. DeJuan Blair dropped to the second round when he was predicted as a mid first round pick.

He's also missing his ACLs in both knees

[ballup]

He's also missing his ACLs in both knees
That's the reason for his drop, Muhammad can face a drop too if GMs fear his negatives.

[taucesays]

That's the reason for his drop, Muhammad can face a drop too if GMs fear his negatives.

I don't see how you can compare a pouty attitude to a physical limitation that will lead to early onset arthritis, especially in a draft this weak.

[outbreak]

No and no. His shooting is fine for a guy with 0 professional experience. He'll never be Kevin Durant but he'll have a good NBA career.
the reports I saw said he was being asked at the combine by gms about his money problems and he struggled shooting there.

just explaining why some gms have soured on him, they did also say he handled the interviews like an experienced pro and was coached well for them though.

[ballup]

I don't see how you can compare a pouty attitude to a physical limitation that will lead to early onset arthritis, especially in a draft this weak.
Because both negatively affect a draftee's stock?

[dbk123]

Because both negatively affect a draftee's stock?
because missing acls in both knees= a bad attitude(which is actually being overblown)?

http://i5.tinypic.com/7y7zv3t.gif

[ballup]

because missing acls in both knees= a bad attitude(which is actually being overblown)?

http://i5.tinypic.com/7y7zv3t.gif
I never said they were both equal.

[taucesays]

I never said they were both equal.

You brought it up as a similar circumstance. The situations are not at all comparable.

[Derka]

Agreeing with whoever said Steven Adams.

[LexiKhan]

He's still going to be a top 10 pick.

Since the wolves have the #9 pick (which means Oladipo, Porter and Mclemore are long gone by then) I wouldn't mind him being drafted, if Mccollum is unavailable that is.

[el gringos]

He's still going to be a top 10 pick.

Since the wolves have the #9 pick (which means Oladipo, Porter and Mclemore are long gone by then) I wouldn't mind him being drafted, if Mccollum is unavailable that is.
You would really rather take oladipo or even porter for that matter over shabaz Muhammad if you are drafting for an nba team?

Quit buying into the hype. Oladipo, porter, and Burke are not top 5 or even 10 players. Shabazz is, and so is Steven Adams prob

[MetsPackers]

Lmao like he will still be on the board at 16

Agreed ban the OP

[MetsPackers]

You would really rather take oladipo or even porter for that matter over shabaz Muhammad if you are drafting for an nba team?

Quit buying into the hype. Oladipo, porter, and Burke are not top 5 or even 10 players. Shabazz is, and so is Steven Adams prob


Orlando recieves:
Landry Fields
Iman Shumpert

Toronto recieves:
Jameer Nelson
Steve Novak

Knicks recieve:
#1 pick
Bargnani???



?????




Come on dude you actually had a chance to have a good scenario for once!

[B-Easy8]

Sorry but unless we make a trade before the draft there is no way we don't snap him up at #9.

His weaknesses are all Rubio's strengths. He won't ever have to make plays for anyone for the Wolves, he just has to be able to shoot 3's and get his own shot.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Can we all get one thing straight? The age thing means nothing since this guy is going to the NBA

NBA talents like Shabazz are one in a million. Your not going to be an NBA talent by beating up on kids that your one year older than.

AND NOT TO MENTION SHABAZZS JUNIOR YEAR IS ENOUGH TO GET HIM DRAFTED ANYWAY

Why he dropped so much is that he's not very athletic or quick. Pretty bad for a 6'6 SF. I wish him the best though

[Rekindled]

dude sucks. boston should definitely go for adams, if not get one of the euros like Saric or that greek guy

[ballup]

You brought it up as a similar circumstance. The situations are not at all comparable.
I brought it up because my point is that draftees can be picked at different spots than expected.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't care about the age thing because I put that on his father. If my dad forged a lie like that and brought me up with it as a part of my story I can't say my teenage self would expose the myth. Especially if I was looking at being a famous athlete. Tough to say how you handle that kind of situation, especially being immature yourself with your primary role model being the guy you'd have to expose.

What does bother me is the way he acted when a teammate hit a game-winner. He has to have more team spirit than that if he's going to be a useful member of the Celtic rebuilding process. But to be fair, Pippen once did something similar and at an even worse time, during the NBA playoffs as a grown man.

Overall I doubt the Cs can get better talent with the 16th pick and his issues aren't anything that has led him to crime, he's not a rapist or anything severe like that. I wouldn't argue with taking him much.

[RRR3]

Shabazz sounds like a straight slasher type player. Might be a good addition to Boston with Jeff Green. I've come to realize that the whole "attitude" thing is generally overblown and if a player falls for "attitude" concerns then you're getting a steal.
Couldn't agree more, and even if attitude did often end up being a negative impact on these "problem cases" careers, I'd still take a "problematic player" who fell in the draft solely because of "attitude". **** attitude, if you can get a potential superstar then do it and hope you can straighten him out. This is not to say I don't believe in team chemistry or anything lol

[outbreak]

Can we all get one thing straight? The age thing means nothing since this guy is going to the NBA

NBA talents like Shabazz are one in a million. Your not going to be an NBA talent by beating up on kids that your one year older than.

AND NOT TO MENTION SHABAZZS JUNIOR YEAR IS ENOUGH TO GET HIM DRAFTED ANYWAY

Why he dropped so much is that he's not very athletic or quick. Pretty bad for a 6'6 SF. I wish him the best though

PLus he reportedly had one of the worst shooting % of all prospects in the combine

[bdreason]

He isn't dropping anywhere close to 16.

I have him top 5, would be surprised if he didn't go top 10.

[taucesays]

I brought it up because my point is that draftees can be picked at different spots than expected.

Yes but there is almost always a reason for this. For a player to drop precipitously it would take many teams agreeing that he is not worth taking. Since GMs aren't 15 year old girls it takes a bit more than gossip about money and attitude.

[SnakePlissken]

He may drop all the way down to 16. Think he could be a good replacement for pierce once he retires?

Boston already has Jeff Green who is just about ready to replace Pierce. If Pierce does stay with the Celtics I think it's time for him to come off the bench in a 6th man role and let Green start at the 3.

[plowking]

The Heat don't have a single pick in this draft from what I know, but I'd love for us to look into getting Dallas' 13th pick which is up for trade apparently. Would be nice to take a shot at this guy as a back up for Wade, and eventually the successor.

[El Kabong]

Demarcus Cousins still pouts and blows up like a little baby, it's actually quite amusing seeing a 'professional' with the maturity level of a 16 year old. I guess maturity isn't that big of an issue if you are looking at role players though. But I don't think it's overblown, look at Terrence Williams, has a great skillset, put up a triple double once, and can barely get off the bench.
The difference is the Celtics will have KG, Pierce and Doc who won't put up with that kind of thing and they're not so desperate that they can't bench him if he's going to act up.


The Heat don't have a single pick in this draft from what I know, but I'd love for us to look into getting Dallas' 13th pick which is up for trade apparently. Would be nice to take a shot at this guy as a back up for Wade, and eventually the successor.
Heat don't have any assets to give up to get that kind of pick though. Unless they're trading Bosh as part of a larger deal.

[ballup]

Yes but there is almost always a reason for this. For a player to drop precipitously it would take many teams agreeing that he is not worth taking. Since GMs aren't 15 year old girls it takes a bit more than gossip about money and attitude.
There is still a month left for things to surface. Dropping to 16 isn't a grand fall.

Actually attitude is playing more of a factor in the drafting process these days. Sam Presti made attitude and character important factors to his drafting decisions and because of that, he chose Harden and Westbrook. These were two guys who many would not think would be at their sensational positions today.

[d.bball.guy]

I don't know but my cousin who went to UCLA said he's a dick, egotastic fool, and has locker room cancer written all over him.

[tomtucker]

I don't know but my cousin who went to UCLA said he's a dick, egotastic fool, and has locker room cancer written all over him.

pretty much this........:applause: