no other player has made more game-tying & go-ahead shots in the final 24s than LBJ

[jzek]

Since LeBron came into the league in 2003-04, nobody in the NBA has made more game-tying and go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of playoff games than LeBron, who is 7-of-16 on those shots. His 43.8 field-goal percentage on those clutch shots ranks the best in the NBA since his rookie season among players with at least 10 attempts.


Source: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400466594



More notables:

* FROM ELIAS: LeBron James is the 2nd player in NBA history with at least 30 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists and 3 blocks in a playoff game. The other was Ralph Sampson in 1986.

* LeBron James is the first player in NBA postseason history with a triple-double and a buzzer-beater game-winner in the same game.

* Since the 2006 postseason, a player has had a playoff triple-double with at least 30 points 4 times. All 4 of those players are named LeBron James.

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[raprap]

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:lol :no:

[Trollsmasher]

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/ojQzAnZGEso/hqdefault.jpg
:lol

[Kurosawa0]

For all the criticism he's received, LeBron has been the most spectacular playoff performer since MJ and it's not really close. Now, he's had his lows in the playoffs too, but his top 10 playoff games destroys any other player in the last 10 years.

[kNicKz]

For all the criticism he's received, LeBron has been the most spectacular playoff performer since MJ and it's not really close. Now, he's had his lows in the playoffs too, but his top 10 playoff games destroys any other player in the last 10 years.
U talking about tim duncan or ?

[Kurosawa0]

U talking about tim duncan or ?

Duncan has had some fantastic games, but spectacular? No. I love Timmy, but that word has and never will be associated with him. :lol

[SoCalLakersFan1]

Most spectacular playoff performances post-MJ have to go to Shaq. He absolutely decimated people in the playoffs.

[#number6ix#]

So what... it's all about the chip baby... Idc if he missed everyone in his career as long as Miami gets it done again this year

[Dave3]

Most spectacular playoff performances post-MJ have to go to Shaq. He absolutely decimated people in the playoffs.
First NBA finals I remember is Shaq destroying the Nets with something like 36/14. Martin, Collins, and whoever else they had on him were just bullied the entire time. I remember Martin was so used to Shaq getting calls from all the hacking that even during an offensive foul he got a tech because he thought the call was going against him. I'd like to see that level of dominance from LeBron in the finals. Until then, Shaq is probably still the most dominant post MJ.

Hell, Duncan had a 40/20 game in the finals back in 2003, and averaged 24/17/5/5 (blocks) in that series. LeBron has put up some of the nest playoff runs since Jordan, but he's not clearly number 1, and he most certainly hasn't had the best finals since him.

[I<3NBA]

i don't believe you. my eye test says he's a choker. hasn't 2011 taught us enough? idc what anyone says. 2011 will make him, forever in my eyes as a choker.

[jzek]

First NBA finals I remember is Shaq destroying the Nets with something like 36/14. Martin, Collins, and whoever else they had on him were just bullied the entire time. I remember Martin was so used to Shaq getting calls from all the hacking that even during an offensive foul he got a tech because he thought the call was going against him. I'd like to see that level of dominance from LeBron in the finals. Until then, Shaq is probably still the most dominant post MJ.


Look at what you wrote above. Shaq, 7-1, 330 lbs, is being guarded by KMart who is 6-9, 240 lbs. That's not really dominating... that's just a mismatch. 7-1, 330 lbs against 6-9, 240 lbs

LBJ would post similar numbers if he was being guarded by PGs.

[Crafty]

Stats are haters worst enemy

[K Xerxes]

Duncan has had some fantastic games, but spectacular? No. I love Timmy, but that word has and never will be associated with him. :lol

So posting 21-20-10-8 in the close out game of the '03 finals isn't spectacular? Clueless.

He also had 32-20-6-7-3 in game 1. But I guess that isn't spectacular either. :roll:

[DonDadda59]

For all the criticism he's received, LeBron has been the most spectacular playoff performer since MJ and it's not really close. Now, he's had his lows in the playoffs too, but his top 10 playoff games destroys any other player in the last 10 years.

:no:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

[Blue&Orange]

i don't believe you. my eye test says he's a choker. hasn't 2011 taught us enough? idc what anyone says. 2011 will make him, forever in my eyes as a choker.
I find it funny you attempt of irony, when yesterday Lebron completely choked in regular time, basically everyone was shooting but him and when he did was brick city.


But yeah great gifted LAYUPs clutch performance

[Kurosawa0]

:no:

Shaq
Duncan
Lebron

LeBron's game 6 against Boston will live on far longer than any games Shaq or Duncan have had. That's the point. Not "best", but "spectacular". There's a difference.

It's why I then separated that and said he's the best over the last 10 years.

[Dave3]

Look at what you wrote above. Shaq, 7-1, 330 lbs, is being guarded by KMart who is 6-9, 240 lbs. That's not really dominating... that's just a mismatch. 7-1, 330 lbs against 6-9, 240 lbs

LBJ would post similar numbers if he was being guarded by PGs.
That's the equivalent of saying if Kobe was 6'9 250 he would be way better than LeBron. Or if LeBron was 6'3 190 he wouldn't be as good as Durant. Why would I take anything away from Shaq based on size? A player's dominance is their dominance, regardless of size, how they do it, or whatever. Shaq was truly unstoppable. LeBron is 99.9% unstoppable, but he's not Shaq level dominance in my eyes.

[LBJ 23]

Look at what you wrote above. Shaq, 7-1, 330 lbs, is being guarded by KMart who is 6-9, 240 lbs. That's not really dominating... that's just a mismatch. 7-1, 330 lbs against 6-9, 240 lbs

LBJ would post similar numbers if he was being guarded by PGs.


That's stupid reasoning... and I'm a Lebron fan

[jzek]

That's stupid reasoning... and I'm a Lebron fan

Put George Hill on LeBron. You don't think LBJ would average 40 too like Shaq did against KMart?

think about it for a moment - prime shaq against kmart. it's not suprising shaq dominated him.

[DonDadda59]

LeBron's game 6 against Boston will live on far longer than any games Shaq or Duncan have had. That's the point. Not "best", but "spectacular". There's a difference.

It's why I then separated that and said he's the best over the last 10 years.

Duncan Game 1 2003 NBA finals- 32 pts(11-17)/20 rbs/6 asts/7 blks/3 stls
Duncan Game 6 2003 NBA finals- 21 pts/20 rbs/10 asts/8 blks
Duncan 2003 NBA finals stats- 24.2 PPG (.495 FG)/17.2 RPG/5.3 APG/5.3 BPG

Shaq Game 1 2000 NBA finals- 43 pts (.677 FG)/19 rbs/4 asts/3 blks
Shaq Game 2 2000 NBA finals- 40 pts (.611 FG)/24 rbs/4 asts/3blks
Shaq 2000 NBA finals stats- 38 PPG (.611 FG)/16.7 RPG/2.3 APG/2.7 BPG
Shaq 2001 NBA finals stats- 33 PPG (.572 FG))/15.8 RPG/4.8 APG/3.4 BPG
Shaq 2002 NBA finals stats- 36.3 PPG (.595 FG)/12.3 RPG/3.8 APG/2.8 BPG

Lebron has had a nice playoff career, but those two guys are a notch above for now, especially on the biggest stage. Bron has been severely lacking in the finals until last season.

[DonDadda59]

Put George Hill on LeBron. You don't think LBJ would average 40 too like Shaq did against KMart?

think about it for a moment - prime shaq against kmart. it's not suprising shaq dominated him.

You know how I know you never saw prime Shaq play? :oldlol:

[annbafan]

I find it funny you attempt of irony, when yesterday Lebron completely choked in regular time, basically everyone was shooting but him and when he did was brick city.


But yeah great gifted LAYUPs clutch performance

what is wrong with winning a game with a layup? perhaps it is less spectacular, but the layup is factually the second best shot in basketball after the free throw

[LBJ 23]

what is wrong with winning a game with a layup? perhaps it is less spectacular, but the layup is factually the second best shot in basketball after the free throw


It's not the first time on here that Lebron's way of simply scoring a basket is held to a different criteria or counts for less than the same way of scoring a basket by other players.

[WayOfWade]

I'd like to see a list of all of those games LeBron actually hit a game winner. I'm not doubting, I'd just just like to see when they were.

[Kurosawa0]

Duncan Game 1 2003 NBA finals- 32 pts(11-17)/20 rbs/6 asts/7 blks/3 stls
Duncan Game 6 2003 NBA finals- 21 pts/20 rbs/10 asts/8 blks
Duncan 2003 NBA finals stats- 24.2 PPG (.495 FG)/17.2 RPG/5.3 APG/5.3 BPG

Shaq Game 1 2000 NBA finals- 43 pts (.677 FG)/19 rbs/4 asts/3 blks
Shaq Game 2 2000 NBA finals- 40 pts (.611 FG)/24 rbs/4 asts/3blks
Shaq 2000 NBA finals stats- 38 PPG (.611 FG)/16.7 RPG/2.3 APG/2.7 BPG
Shaq 2001 NBA finals stats- 33 PPG (.572 FG))/15.8 RPG/4.8 APG/3.4 BPG
Shaq 2002 NBA finals stats- 36.3 PPG (.595 FG)/12.3 RPG/3.8 APG/2.8 BPG

Lebron has had a nice playoff career, but those two guys are a notch above for now, especially on the biggest stage. Bron has been severely lacking in the finals until last season.

Completely, 1000%, missing the point. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Magic 32]

I'd like to see a list of all of those games LeBron actually hit a game winner. I'm not doubting, I'd just just like to see when they were.

First round layup vs Wizards
First round layup vs .....Wizards
WCF 2007 layup vs Pistions (g5)
WCF 2013 layup vs Pacers (g5)

and the shot aganist the Magic. lol

5 game winners in the playoffs.

[DonDadda59]

Completely, 1000%, missing the point. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Because you don't have one.

[Remix]

Completely, 1000%, missing the point. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
The point is, you are a fcuking retard if you actually think Lebron is a better playoff performer than Shaq.

God damn idiots these days, complaining that Shaq has a size advantage on who guards him making his stats less meaningful. Double standard? Lebron never has anyone his own size on him you idiot. He ALWAYS has a weight advantage on his defender and most of the time he has a height advantage too

[SoCalLakersFan1]

Because you don't have one.
His point is that people will remember LeBron's game 6 vs the Celtics more than Shaq's finals series. Which is flawed logic, since people remember things that happen more recently.

[Big#50]

LeBron is creeping past Kobe on the all time list. No way he is the best playoff performer after Jordan. Stans are getting carried away.

[longtime lurker]

Such a pointless and arbitrary stat. I guess the NBA didn't exist before Lebron :confusedshrug:

[Kurosawa0]

Because you don't have one.

Name me one game from Duncan or Shaq that is remotely as remembered as MJ's flu game. Not better. They had better games. As remembered? Not even close.

It's why I said LeBron is the most "spectacular" playoff performer since MJ. As great as those games from Shaq or Duncan were, they weren't "spectacular".

Seriously, go find a dictionary.

[Magic 32]

LeBron is creeping past Kobe on the all time list. No way he is the best playoff performer after Jordan. Stans are getting carried away.

Why? because he is putting on a show in a overmatched conference.

If he loses in the finals this will all be irelevant.

[Kurosawa0]

His point is that people will remember LeBron's game 6 vs the Celtics more than Shaq's finals series. Which is flawed logic, since people remember things that happen more recently.

What's the main image people remember from Shaq's Finals run? The one shown on montage clips? The images of LeBron in game 6 will be definitive for his career. Shaq doesn't exactly have that. Duncan 100% doesn't.

[Big#50]

Why? because he is putting on a show in a overmatched conference.

If he loses in the finals this will all be irelevant.
I think Kobe's best playoff showings were against overmatched opponents/defenders.
LeBron just makes his team better. Better defense. Both are extremely overrated at this.

[Magic 32]

What's the main image people remember from Shaq's Finals run? The one shown on montage clips? The images of LeBron in game 6 will be definitive for his career. Shaq doesn't exactly have that. Duncan 100% doesn't.

Because.....Shaq had a half dozen games like that?

Duncan has a near quad in game 6 of the finals. :facepalm

[RRR3]

First round layup vs Wizards
First round layup vs .....Wizards
WCF 2007 layup vs Pistions (g5)
WCF 2013 layup vs Pacers (g5)

and the shot aganist the Magic. lol

5 game winners in the playoffs.
No, he already had 5 playoff gamewinners in 2011. He has at least 6, and possibly 7 depending on if any of his shots against Chicago in 2011 ECF counted. Your boy has 7 playoff gamewinners in twice as many games :crazysam:

[SoCalLakersFan1]

What's the main image people remember from Shaq's Finals run? The one shown on montage clips? The images of LeBron in game 6 will be definitive for his career. Shaq doesn't exactly have that. Duncan 100% doesn't.
Duncan I agree, but a lot of people remember Shaq's dominance. Shaq dominated the finals 3 years in a row; it's hard to find one moment or game that defines that level of dominance.

[Big#50]

What's the main image people remember from Shaq's Finals run? The one shown on montage clips? The images of LeBron in game 6 will be definitive for his career. Shaq doesn't exactly have that. Duncan 100% doesn't.
Nobody remembers game six. Everyone remembers 2011 finals. Everyone.
Everyone. I'm a huge LeBron fan. Please don't label me a LeBron hater.
Shaq and Duncan don't have their Jordan flu game/hangover game. But they have sustained excellence.

[Doranku]

I think Kobe's best playoff showings were against overmatched opponents/defenders.
LeBron just makes his team better. Better defense. Both are extremely overrated at this.

Spurs? Kings?

As for LeBron being the best playoff performer since Jordan.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Show me a Duncan or Shaq series that is comparable to any of these atrocities from LeF@ggot:

'07 Spurs
'08 Celtics (yes, he had a big game 7, but he was absolutely putrid before that)
'10 Celtics
'11 Mavericks

[Kurosawa0]

Duncan I agree, but a lot of people remember Shaq's dominance. Shaq dominated the finals 3 years in a row; it's hard to find one moment or game that defines that level of dominance.

That's the entire point though.

Spectacular is defined as "dramatically daring or thrilling". LeBron over the last 5 or 6 years, win or lose, has easily been the most thrilling player in the playoffs since Jordan.

As great as Duncan, Shaq or to a lesser degree Kobe, have been in the playoffs they've never had the same level of "all eyes on that guy" as LeBron has. No one since Jordan has.

[Kurosawa0]

Nobody remembers game six. Everyone remembers 2011 finals. Everyone.
Everyone. I'm a huge LeBron fan. Please don't label me a LeBron hater.
Shaq and Duncan don't have their Jordan flu game/hangover game. But they have sustained excellence.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4fd16c7fecad043b4d000001-400-300/he-loves-lions-and-says-he-impersonates-a-lion-when-hes-zoned-in.jpg

You will be seeing that image for the next 20 years. ESPN and TNT will never let that go.

[DonDadda59]

Name me one game from Duncan or Shaq that is remotely as remembered as MJ's flu game. Not better. They had better games. As remembered? Not even close.

It's why I said LeBron is the most "spectacular" playoff performer since MJ. As great as those games from Shaq or Duncan were, they weren't "spectacular".

Seriously, go find a dictionary.

Yeah, Lebron has had some 'spectacular' failures on the biggest stage. Timmy and Shaq don't hold that distinction. Lebron is more known for his 'spectacular' choke job in the 2011 finals than he is for a single game against Boston. And if you don't think that Duncan and Shaq's performances during their playoff primes aren't 'spectacular' than you need to get your head checked.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

That's the entire point though.

Spectacular is defined as "dramatically daring or thrilling". LeBron over the last 5 or 6 years, win or lose, has easily been the most thrilling player in the playoffs since Jordan.

As great as Duncan, Shaq or to a lesser degree Kobe, have been in the playoffs they've never had the same level of "all eyes on that guy" as LeBron has. No one since Jordan has.
I'd say the Lakers-Kings 2002 game 7 had an "all eyes on them" feel to it (which is completely subjective).

[Magic 32]

No, he already had 5 playoff gamewinners in 2011. He has at least 6, and possibly 7 depending on if any of his shots against Chicago in 2011 ECF counted. Your boy has 7 playoff gamewinners in twice as many games :crazysam:

Find them.

[Big#50]

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4fd16c7fecad043b4d000001-400-300/he-loves-lions-and-says-he-impersonates-a-lion-when-hes-zoned-in.jpg

You will be seeing that image for the next 20 years. ESPN and TNT will never let that go.
Can someone post the graphic of the 2011 finals where it says LeBron scored negative 4 points in the fourth quarter. Marion calling him a Bitch after the lay up. Or being outscored by a human turtle.

[kNicKz]

LeBron's game 6 against Boston will live on far longer than any games Shaq or Duncan have had.

turn off first take bro :roll:

[kNicKz]

LeBron is creeping past Kobe on the all time list. No way he is the best playoff performer after Jordan. Stans are getting carried away.

When he gets in the 3-4 chip range I'll say he has climbed over kobe. He is nowhere near Shaq or Duncan though

[Big#50]

When he gets in the 3-4 chip range I'll say he has climbed over kobe. He is nowhere near Shaq or Duncan though
He is better than Kobe. He will have the resume soon. He will never be better than the two best centers ever.

[kNicKz]

He is better than Kobe. He will have the resume soon. He will never be better than the two best centers ever.

At this point in time I'm taking a prime Kobe over Lebron. Resume and play

[Kurosawa0]

Yeah, Lebron has had some 'spectacular' failures on the biggest stage. Timmy and Shaq don't hold that distinction. Lebron is more known for his 'spectacular' choke job in the 2011 finals than he is for a single game against Boston. And if you don't think that Duncan and Shaq's performances during their playoff primes aren't 'spectacular' than you need to get your head checked.

Are you in 3rd or 4th grade? I can't tell. It's one or the other based on your reading comprehension.

[Kurosawa0]

Can someone post the graphic of the 2011 finals where it says LeBron scored negative 4 points in the fourth quarter. Marion calling him a Bitch after the lay up. Or being outscored by a human turtle.

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not already folded into the LeBron narrative just like the Pistons did for MJ and the 1984 Finals did for Magic. That's done. It's apart of his winning story now. The struggles he went through to finally become a better player and a champion, and so on.

It's like Shaq getting swept a bazillion times before winning it. It all changes once you get the ring.

You can hold onto that for yourself, but that will only be a clip shown before the "LeBron wins!!" montage.

[Kurosawa0]

At this point in time I'm taking a prime Kobe over Lebron. Resume and play

That can only be for the aesthetics. LeBron is far better than any version of Kobe right now.

[Big#50]

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not already folded into the LeBron narrative just like the Pistons did for MJ and the 1984 Finals did for Magic. That's done. It's apart of his winning story now. The struggles he went through to finally become a better player and a champion, and so on.

It's like Shaq getting swept a bazillion times before winning it. It all changes once you get the ring.

You can hold onto that for yourself, but that will only be a clip shown before the "LeBron wins!!" montage.
You're the one in denial. Nobody remembers Lebrons game six. Sadly we live in a world where failures are magnified more than success. Again, I am a huge LeBron fan. Have been since he came into the league. I'm done.

[Magic 32]

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not already folded into the LeBron narrative just like the Pistons did for MJ

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0428/nba_g_terry_576.jpg

[kNicKz]

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not already folded into the LeBron narrative just like the Pistons did for MJ and the 1984 Finals did for Magic. That's done. It's apart of his winning story now. The struggles he went through to finally become a better player and a champion, and so on.

It's like Shaq getting swept a bazillion times before winning it. It all changes once you get the ring.

You can hold onto that for yourself, but that will only be a clip shown before the "LeBron wins!!" montage.

The nature of his "decision" special and "not 1, 2, 3, 4," and cockiness (ie: "It's gonna be easy") when first forming the big three and then hilariously choking to a team made of journeymen/dirk is probably one of the biggest fails in sports history. You really think dudes like Skip Bayless aren't going to bring it up when discussing his legacy in 10 years?

[kNicKz]

That can only be for the aesthetics. LeBron is far better than any version of Kobe right now.

Opinions are like assholes. Give me Kobe

[Kurosawa0]

You're the one in denial. Nobody remembers Lebrons game six. Sadly we live in a world where failures are magnified more than success. Again, I am a huge LeBron fan. Have been since he came into the league. I'm done.

You're crazy. Even when Shaq retired no one mentioned him bouncing around half the league and pissing off virtually every team he left. Nope. It was all about how dominating he was and being one of the great Lakers ever.

If you don't win, that's what people remember you for. If you think if LeBron wins two or three rings and at the end of his career people will be going "Yeah, but the 2011 Finals..." you're kidding yourself.

The narrative right now is "He's not Jordan... yet". How is that going to flip back to 2011? Are you joking? :wtf:

[The Real JW]

For all the criticism he's received, LeBron has been the most spectacular playoff performer since MJ and it's not really close.

No.


Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron


and 4th right now is being generous with how fresh 2011 is.

[Kurosawa0]

You really think dudes like Skip Bayless aren't going to bring it up when discussing his legacy in 10 years?

Even Skip Bayless is on his balls now. The other day I saw him say the Pacers might get swept because "Miami has LeBron and they don't."

[DonDadda59]

Are you in 3rd or 4th grade? I can't tell. It's one or the other based on your reading comprehension.

Shut the f**k up :oldlol:

You notice how everyone is shitting on your stupidity here? You've done the impossible- you've brought together stans from all walks of life to join together to laugh at you. I think that deserves a nobel peace prize.

And for the record, no one remembers anything about Lebron's game 6 against Boston. You would've had a better argument if you brought up Game 5 against Detroit in '07, the series before one of his patented 'spectacular' finals failures.

Also, this moment from Game 7 of the 2000 WCF:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/673859/kobe-alley-oop-to-shaq-o.gif

http://www.warriorsworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Shaq.jpg

Is much more 'spectacular' and memorable than anything Lebron has done to date.

[uoykcuf]

Shut the f**k up :oldlol:

You notice how everyone is shitting on your stupidity here? You've done the impossible- you've brought together stans from all walks of life to join together to laugh at you. I think that deserves a nobel peace prize.

And for the record, no one remembers anything about Lebron's game 6 against Boston.

Sorry, you lost all credibility after that statement.

[The Real JW]

Also, this moment from Game 7 of the 2000 WCF:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/673859/kobe-alley-oop-to-shaq-o.gif

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/201/818/shaquilleoneal_display_image.jpg?1336303752

Is much more 'spectacular' and memorable than anything Lebron has done to date.

This.

[Kurosawa0]

Also, this moment from Game 7 of the 2000 WCF:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/673859/kobe-alley-oop-to-shaq-o.gif

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/201/818/shaquilleoneal_display_image.jpg?1336303752

Is much more 'spectacular' and memorable than anything Lebron has done to date.

Here's the problem with that clip. That's Kobe's moment too. Shaq doesn't own that. That's shown when we talk about the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. Not when it's solely about Shaq.

Seriously, it's really amazing that you guys don't understand how this stuff works.

[Kurosawa0]

What was ESPN's headline last night after the game? "That's why he's the king!!"

You guys are clowning if you can't see this coming. :facepalm

[2013 Lakers]

LeBron might not have any memorable playoff moments right now, but who's to say he won't in the future?

It's not like he's retiring this year.

[DonDadda59]

Here's the problem with that clip. That's Kobe's moment too. Shaq doesn't own that. That's shown when we talk about the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. Not when it's solely about Shaq.


No, the 'problem' with that clip is that it checkmated all your bullshit. The truth is, no matter what label or specific word you want to use, Shaq and Duncan are the more accomplished, greater playoff performers to date.

I'd wager that more people can identify this image of Bron than his rendition of the Kobe scowl :oldlol:

http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-flop-2.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What was ESPN's headline last night after the game? "That's why he's the king!!"

You guys are clowning if you can't see this coming. :facepalm

Using a propaganda machine doesn't help your case. Really..who gives a shit what ESPN's headlines are? :oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

Using a propaganda machine doesn't help your case. Really..who gives a shit what ESPN's headlines are? :oldlol:

Well, when talking about how sports narratives are formed, probably a good idea to look at the take of the business that virtually owns 75% of sports media. :facepalm

Some of you guys REALLY are going to be surprised when you get out of grade school and see how the world actually works.

[tpols]

Shut the f**k up :oldlol:

You notice how everyone is shitting on your stupidity here? You've done the impossible- you've brought together stans from all walks of life to join together to laugh at you. I think that deserves a nobel peace prize.

And for the record, no one remembers anything about Lebron's game 6 against Boston. You would've had a better argument if you brought up Game 5 against Detroit in '07, the series before one of his patented 'spectacular' finals failures.

Also, this moment from Game 7 of the 2000 WCF:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/673859/kobe-alley-oop-to-shaq-o.gif

http://www.warriorsworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Shaq.jpg

Is much more 'spectacular' and memorable than anything Lebron has done to date.
How ironic that you would pick a play where Kobe broke down the defense, drew the help, and gave it to shaq for the dunk.:oldlol:

Any average center couldve finished that play..

[tpols]

And also LOL at comparing Shaq to bron in the clutch.. that is not a fair comparison. One was a straight liability for a good amount of time and had other guys do the work for him.

If bron produced like Shaq in the clutch hed get crucified.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Well, when talking about how sports narratives are formed, probably a good idea to look at the take of the business that virtually owns 75% of sports media. :facepalm

Some of you guys REALLY are going to be surprised when you get out of grade school and see how the world actually works.

Yes, and "75%" of that sports media caters to casual fans. So again, who cares about some BS narrative?

Lebron fans are ****ing dumb. :oldlol:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Shaq has had better performances than LeBron but if you think no one remembers Game 6 vs Boston you are ****ing retarded. No one but a blind hater forgets that game.

[tpols]

Here's the problem with that clip. That's Kobe's moment too. Shaq doesn't own that. That's shown when we talk about the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. Not when it's solely about Shaq.

Seriously, it's really amazing that you guys don't understand how this stuff works.
Dondadda would never ever attribute that to Kobe even though he created the whole damn play.:oldlol:

Dondadda would bring up the 04 finals if you asked him about Kobe and this play would never see the light of day.

Him, and a few others, are haters of the new generation Kobe/Bron and hate on them non stop. Their bitter elitists that think because they support shaq and jordan that they are somehow better and smarter than you.

The double standards are hilarious.

[leMVP]

Amazing that now, everyone bringing the stats, and when we talk about clutchness that stats are irreleavent. ISH at its best.

I truly feel for other great players fans that they weren't able to witness Their player dominates on the biggest stages. (jordan fans excluded, Shaq and Duncan don't have fans tbh).

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dondadda would never ever attribute that to Kobe even though he created the whole damn play.:oldlol:

Dondadda would bring up the 04 finals if you asked him about Kobe and this play would never see the light of day.

Him, and a few others, are haters of the new generation Kobe/Bron and hate on them non stop. Their bitter elitists that think because they support shaq and jordan that they are somehow better and smarter than you.

The double standards are hilarious.

Not at all. Again, tpols, just because I obliterate your pro-Kobe arguments doesn't make me a hater of Kobe OR the new generation. In fact, I have said I'd take 2012 Lebron over 2001 and 2002 Shaq. Look it up if you don't believe me. :confusedshrug:

[Just2McFly]

Yeah, Lebron has had some 'spectacular' failures on the biggest stage. Timmy and Shaq don't hold that distinction. Lebron is more known for his 'spectacular' choke job in the 2011 finals than he is for a single game against Boston. And if you don't think that Duncan and Shaq's performances during their playoff primes aren't 'spectacular' than you need to get your head checked.

This is the point where you have to distance yourself from being a hardcore basketball fan and realize that the general public and casual fans remember his Boston game a lot more than 2011.

Also I don't remember if it was you, but I seriously have to laugh at some one calling the 2007 Finals an attrocity. The madeup, completely bullshit standard certain people hold Lebron to is ridiculous. It's getting to the point where I cannot take it seriously. Just laughable.

[tpols]

Not at all. Again, tpols, just because I obliterate your pro-Kobe arguments doesn't make me a hater of Kobe OR the new generation. In fact, I have said I'd take 2012 Lebron over 2001 and 2002 Shaq. Look it up if you don't believe me. :confusedshrug:
Didnt even mention your name and you come up guilty.. thats how even you yourself knows.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Didnt even mention your name and you come up guilty.. thats how even you yourself knows.

:oldlol:

Yesterday you called me a "Jordan stan". Judging your last post, I can only assume you were referring to me. :confusedshrug:

[dh144498]

:oldlol:

Yesterday you called me a "Jordan stan". Judging your last post, I can only assume you were referring to me. :confusedshrug:

you'd take 12 lebron over 01/02 shaq?

:biggums:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you'd take 12 lebron over 01/02 shaq?

:biggums:

'12 and '13 Lebron > '02 Shaq, imo. '01 is definitely arguable.

I left out '00 Shaq for a reason though. That guy was the most dominant player I have EVER seen.

[jlip]

Since LeBron came into the league in 2003-04, nobody in the NBA has made more game-tying and go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of playoff games than LeBron, who is 7-of-16 on those shots. His 43.8 field-goal percentage on those clutch shots ranks the best in the NBA since his rookie season among players with at least 10 attempts.


Source: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400466594



The playoff gamewinning (i.e. actual last points of the game for either team) shots that I can remember are...

The two against the Wizards in '06
The one against the Pistons in '07
The one against the Magic in '09
The one from last night against the Pacers

[uoykcuf]

'12 and '13 Lebron > '02 Shaq, imo. '01 is definitely arguable.

I left out '00 Shaq for a reason though. That guy was the most dominant player I have EVER seen.

Jordan, Shaq, and LeBron in their primes :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Pick your poison, the 3 most dominant forces the game has ever seen.

[madmax]

How ironic that you would pick a play where Kobe broke down the defense, drew the help, and gave it to shaq for the dunk.:oldlol:

Any average center couldve finished that play..

exactly...:lol
if anything, this moment epitomizes Lakers strenght as a TEAM back in those days and not a single player taking on the whole team by himself. Where are Shaq's games and moments where he had to will his crappy team on his own shoulders like Lebron had to back in 2007 - 2009?:confusedshrug: I'll tell you - such moments don't exist, because young Shaq was used to getting SWEPT by Utah Jazz in the late 90's. Yet nobody talks about it now, or do they?:lol

[samballs]

I'm glad I've enjoyed these players failures and successes.

Shaq was swepted by the Jazz twice, Rockets and Pistons.
Duncan number 1 losing to number 8th.

Funny how Kobe loses because he's a chucker and Lebron loses because he chokes. Durant lost because of Westbrooke, but now he needs Westbrooke.

[Jlamb47]

Duncan is so underrated its sad

[The Real JW]

Duncan is so underrated its sad

Mainly by Kobe and LeBron kiddies.

[NumberSix]

Amazing that now, everyone bringing the stats, and when we talk about clutchness that stats are irreleavent. ISH at its best.

I truly feel for other great players fans that they weren't able to witness Their player dominates on the biggest stages. (jordan fans excluded, Shaq and Duncan don't have fans tbh).
Stats are only relevant when they're not supporting LeBron.

[DonDadda59]

Him, and a few others, are haters of the new generation Kobe/Bron and hate on them non stop. Their bitter elitists that think because they support shaq and jordan that they are somehow better and smarter than you.



Dawg, that's some serious personal insecurity/inadequacy issues that you're just projecting onto me. That's a problem for you to work out on your therapist's couch, not here on a basketball message board.

[All Net]

Duncan is so underrated its sad

Yeah he is..what he is doing at age 37 is amazing.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe Bean: still the best in the league