All NBA Teams Announced

[Grinder]

2012-13 All-NBA First Team:
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

2012-13 All-NBA Second Team:
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
Blake Griffin
Marc Gasol

2012-13 All-NBA Third Team:
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Paul George
David Lee
Dwight Howard

I thought Tony Parker should have been first team and Harden second team. No Steph Curry is a bit baffling to me as well (over Wade?). Chris Bosh should have been there over David Lee IMO.

[DirkNowitzki41]

kobe :biggums:

[IncarceratedBob]

I wonder how Chris Bosh feels, absolutely forgotten.

[dh144498]

kobe :biggums:

:wtf:

he's the best SG in the league this year. Or are you just blind? or just trolling?

[fpliii]

Wade only third team? :oldlol: Media, you never seem to amaze me.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

Not bad

[Scholar]

Stephen Curry gets absolutely no respect. This year has been his year to shine and he hasn't gotten credit anywhere. Snubbed for an All-Star reserve spot and now snubbed from the All-NBA teams.

[IncarceratedBob]

Can't see how Harden would be second team. Kobe, CP3, Russ and TP all shit on his year.

[Twiens]

Surprises: Duncan over Marc? Didn't see David Lee making a team either.

[BuffaloBill]

Tim Duncan, Paul George, and David Lee. Great accomplishment for all three of them. :applause:

[Trollsmasher]

Kobe over Goatbrook?:biggums: :facepalm

[Grinder]

Apparently Brook Lopez got 132 points in All-NBA votes while David Lee got 79 but because he was listed as a forward, he got the nod. :facepalm

[PJR]

Nothing too suprising, based off some of the ballots that floated around from media members who held them.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

Surprises: Duncan over Marc? Didn't see David Lee making a team either.
Comparable defense (both 2nd team all-defense), Duncan averages more points, rebounds, and blocks. Gasol averages more assists.

[Jacks3]

God I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bitchfest about Bryant.

[fpliii]

Surprises: Duncan over Marc? Didn't see David Lee making a team either.

That's a pleasant surprise IMO. After he finished outside of the top 5 in DPOY, which also is a media vote, I expected him to drop to third team in the All-NBA voting.

I do think Gasol was better this season though defensively.

[BuffaloBill]

Harden was definitely 2nd team material, there are just too many good guards right now.



But him averaging 26/6/5 is really impressive.

[dh144498]

oh look another informative thread that will eventually turn into a Kobe hating thread by the lebron stans. cough* TrollSmasher cough*

[Scholar]

God I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bitchfest about Bryant.

It's ISH. You know damn well it will.

[plowking]

How the f*ck does Bosh not get in over a player like David Lee? Seriously.

Parker should be above Paul and Kobe. Westbrook should be on the first team too.

Blake Griffin can suck a fat one. Another undeserving player that shouldn't be on any of the teams.

[BuffaloBill]

When you think about it, if Derrick Rose had been healty there would have been a chance that Harden or Wade don't make an all nba team.

[chazzy]

David Lee is a bit iffy but good selections. All D teams are usually controversial

[Jacks3]

Parker should be above Paul and Kobe.


Didn't he miss 16 games? :wtf:

[rmt]

Surprises: Duncan over Marc? Didn't see David Lee making a team either.

Duncan 17.8 pts / 9.9 rebs / 2.7 asst / 2.6 blks 50.2%FG in 30.1 mins
Gasol 14.1 pts / 7.8 rebs / 4 asst / 1.7 blks 49.4%FG in 35 mins

It's not a surprise at all.

[plowking]

Didn't he miss 16 games? :wtf:

Paul missed 12. Yet he somehow got the nod.

[BoutPractice]

Fine with the first team, though I might've swapped Chris Paul and Tony Parker this year.

Also love the fact that Dwight wasn't in the first or second team. It would've been a disgrace. Even in the third team, Noah or Lopez had an argument over him.

The strangest part about those lists is Curry being left out while his inferior teammate is selected. Obviously, this has to do with their position, as it would be tough to remove Wade or Harden from the list.

[chazzy]

Paul missed 12. Yet he somehow got the nod.
Because he's the best guard

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

God I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bitchfest about Bryant.

It's ISH. It's bound to happen.

[plowking]

Because he's the best guard

Parker was clearly better this year, and most people that watch a fair bit of basketball agree on that.

[Mr Exlax]

Congrats to Harden and George. I told people two years ago that these guys were gonna be stars.

[SoCalLakersFan1]

:wtf:
Because making an all-nba team 14 out of the 15 years in your career isn't enough.

[SonOfMattGeiger]

so duncan has a 5 or 6 year hiatus (don't feel like looking it up) from first team, and then makes it again in his 16th year?! absolutely INCREDIBLE. simply solidifies his spot has greatest PF of all time.

o yea, mamba still doin this thang too, except he never took that hiatus :pimp:

props to both old geezers on first team all nba. still schoolin these young cats. unreal :applause:

[DuMa]

would have put Parker and Westbrook on the first team instead.

[longtime lurker]

God I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bitchfest about Bryant.

It's always a bitch fest unless Kobe gets left off the team completely. As far as I see the first team is perfect I'm glad Duncan didn't get robbed of a deserving nod. 2nd team is solid too. Good to see Parker and Westbrook and Melo up there, don't know about Blake Griffin though.

[BuffaloBill]

:wtf:



37 year old on the all NBA first team. That's amazing.

[rmt]

That's a pleasant surprise IMO. After he finished outside of the top 5 in DPOY, which also is a media vote, I expected him to drop to third team in the All-NBA voting.

I do think Gasol was better this season though defensively.

Outside top 5 in DPOY is a travesty:

Per ESPN: The Grizzlies shot 4-for-24 from five feet and in when Duncan was on the floor. When Duncan was on the bench? Try 9 for 14.

the Spurs

[Shade8780]

A lot of you guys are underrating Paul. He definitely deserves to be on the 1st Team over Parker and Westbrook.

[chazzy]

Parker was clearly better this year, and most people that watch a fair bit of basketball agree on that.
Parker had a great year and it's definitely closer than people think, but I wouldn't take it that far. There's a big gap in their MVP voting points

[imnew09]

The list is good until I saw Blake Griffin instead of C Bosh

[imnew09]

2 time MVP 3 time FMVP all star all his career I don't know how many all nba team selections he have.

Something tells me this isn't such a big deal for him, he is the most underrated top 10 player ever though.

he has 10 first team :bowdown:

[steve]

Paul missed 12. Yet he somehow got the nod.

If you're arguing for Parker, he missed 16 games.

Also, I think people need to realize that Chris Bosh was more than likely listed as center this season by the voters.

[WilliamsCollege]

2012-13 All-NBA First Team:
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

2012-13 All-NBA Second Team:
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
Blake Griffin
Marc Gasol

2012-13 All-NBA Third Team:
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Paul George
David Lee
Dwight Howard


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ripthekik]

I have no problem with the list.

[Crafty]

Blake :oldlol: :roll:

[ReturnofJPR]

Dwight Howard should not be on that list how two Lakers snuck onto the top three teams I have no idea other than media publicity. Joakim Noah or Brook Lopez should've received honors Instead of Howard.

[Jacks3]

Kobe put up 25+/8/7/57% TS during the last 40 games of the season after essentially switching to PG.

27/6/6 overall.

First time since 2010 he's been fully deserving.

[leMVP]

No steph curry? c'mon guys, as much as i love Dwade, he only played at all-nba level for 2 months during the streak, while curry has been playing the best during the whole season, also he was carrying this GSW team on his back after the all-star break.

[Kblaze8855]

I always like looking at the "Other players" list:



Other players receiving votes, with point totals: Brook Lopez, Brooklyn, 132 (7 First Team votes); Stephen Curry, Golden State, 72; LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland, 62; Chris Bosh, Miami, 59 (4); Joakim Noah, Chicago, 56 (3); Zach Randolph, Memphis, 45; Al Horford, Atlanta, 31 (2); Paul Pierce, Boston, 24; Al Jefferson, Utah, 20 (1); Tyson Chandler, New York, 19 (1); Roy Hibbert, Indiana, 9; Luol Deng, Chicago, 8; Kevin Garnett, Boston, 8; Ty Lawson, Denver, 8; Josh Smith, Atlanta, 7; Deron Williams, Brooklyn, 6; Pau Gasol, LA Lakers, 4; Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City, 4; Omer Asik, Houston, 3; Kenneth Faried, Denver, 3; Raymond Felton, New York, 3; Kyrie Irving, Cleveland, 3; Carlos Boozer, Chicago, 2; Mike Conley, Memphis, 2; David West, Indiana, 2; Rudy Gay, Toronto, 1; J.J. Hickson, Portland, 1; Andre Iguodala, Denver, 1; Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas, 1; Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota, 1; Rajon Rondo, Boston, 1; Nikola Vucevic, Orlando, 1.



Even though it pisses me off. I hate the "Just to get his name out there" votes. There is no justification for Vucevuc or Hickson to get a vote no matter what. Good players? Sure. Give one your all NBA vote even for third team....you shouldnt get to vote again. Like dude who put PJ Brown on his ballot 4th or 5th for MVP one year.

Save your statements and fanhood for articles.

[InspiredLebowski]

Shit. Paul George makes it again next year he gets a 30% max extension instead of 25%.

[fpliii]

I always like looking at the "Other players" list:



Even though it pisses me off. I hate the "Just to get his name out there" votes. There is no justification for Vucevuc or Hickson to get a vote no matter what. Good players? Sure. Give one your all NBA vote even for third team....you shouldnt get to vote again. Like dude who put PJ Brown on his ballot 4th or 5th for MVP one year.

Save your statements and fanhood for articles.

Pierce with 3x as many voting points as KG? Ughhhh. :facepalm

[alenleomessi]

even though im a huge blake fan im surprised he is in the 2nd team

i was expecting 3rd

[HeatFanSince88]

Kobe first team is a joke. Guy played no defense all year and his team was the biggest failure in NBA History(Finals projected, won zero playoff games). Here is what the teams SHOULD have been.

2012-13 All-NBA First Team:
Chris Paul
James Harden
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

2012-13 All-NBA Second Team:
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Marc Gasol

2012-13 All-NBA Third Team:
Dwyane Wade
Steph Curry
Paul George
Zach Randolph
Dwight Howard

My changes
-Replaced Kobe with Harden on first team.
-Replaced Griffin with Chris Bosh on second team.
-Put Curry on third team to take the spot that harden prevously had.
-Zach Randolph over David Lee

[White Mamba]

God I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bitchfest about Bryant.
U do know its insidehoops right?

FirstBe:bowdown:

[TylerOO]

Seriously why the **** is Blake Griffin on the second team?

[RichieW]

Only argument for Paul over Parker is because Paul pretty much carried that team all year long. As a Spurs fan I can accept that, but then Blake shouldn't be 2nd team. Probably shouldn't even be 3rd team.

Kobe had a great individual season (minus defence) but they barely made it in to the playoffs.

[KG215]

How was Durant not a unanimous selection? What case did Carmelo have over him?

[All Net]

No Steph Curry is a joke...

[lakers_forever]

Kobe is now first all time in most selections for the All NBA Teams - 15 total (same as Kareem), but 11 first team (one more than Kareem and same as Malone). :applause:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#Most_selections

PS: No, I'm not saying Kobe is the greatest (he's top 10). It's just an impressive accomplishment.

[Unbiased_one]

:wtf:

he's the best SG in the league this year. Or are you just blind? or just trolling?

He has had a phenomenal offensive season. But someone who doesn't play defense shouldn't be on the first team. Westbrook for me please.

But I can definitely see the case for kobe being on there and it's not that big a deal. No bosh though :confusedshrug:

[Shade8780]

Kobe first team is a joke. Guy played no defense all year and his team was the biggest failure in NBA History(Finals projected, won zero playoff games). Here is what the teams SHOULD have been.

2012-13 All-NBA First Team:
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

2012-13 All-NBA Second Team:
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Marc Gasol

2012-13 All-NBA Third Team:
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Paul George
Zach Randolph
Dwight Howard

My changes
-Replaced Griffin with Chris Bosh on second team.
-Put Harden on Third team to take the spot that Curry previously had.
-Zach Randolph over David Lee
Fixed your fix. I'm a huge Stephen Curry fan but there's so many great guards in this league that there's no more space on the teams. He's a hair off the Third Team. And stop trolling with that no Kobe shlt

[TylerOO]

How was Durant not a unanimous selection? What case did Carmelo have over him?

Remember that guy that voted Melo over LBJ for MVP? It was probably another idiot that did it.

[chazzy]

ITT: people whine about Kobe's defense and talk up Harden, Curry, and Parker in the next sentence

[DMAVS41]

ITT: people whine about Kobe's defense and talk up Harden, Curry, and Parker in the next sentence

This.

Totally unfair. If anyone deserved first team over Kobe it was Westbrook in my opinion. Only guard in which the defense argument can be made.

Here's a hint people. Kobe plays better defense than Curry, Harden, and Parker...LOL

[Doctor Rivers]

He has had a phenomenal offensive season. But someone who doesn't play defense shouldn't be on the first team.

You're right lets put Sefalosha or Tony Allen in there

[dh144498]

You're right lets put Sefalosha or Tony Allen in there

:roll:
:applause:

[Unbiased_one]

You're right lets put Sefalosha or Tony Allen in there

Westbrook?

Equally, I can easily see the case for Kobe being on the first team. I would have given it to westbrook but it's not that big a deal.

[KG215]

Remember that guy that voted Melo over LBJ for MVP? It was probably another idiot that did it.
Carmelo got 24 1st team votes, which meant 24 people thought he was more deserving than Durant or LeBron. I'm guessing most of those 24 ballots had LeBron and Carmelo on their 1st team. I'm not saying Carmelo getting some 1st team votes isn't a surprise. It's far from the biggest "travesty" this year. I'm just trying to figure out, when someone is filling out their 1st team ballot and gets to the forward spots, how they can justifiably pencil in Carmelo over Durant. Durant was better in every conceivable manner and was on the best team in the West. Carmelo also missed 15 games, to Durant's one.

[tazb]

Kobe over Westbrook and Parker ROFL. Another year, another robbery, what else is really new.

[Unbiased_one]

Carmelo got 24 1st team votes, which meant 24 people thought he was more deserving than Durant or LeBron. I'm guessing most of those 24 ballots had LeBron and Carmelo on their 1st team. I'm not saying Carmelo getting some 1st team votes isn't a surprise. It's far from the biggest "travesty" this year. I'm just trying to figure out, when someone is filling out their 1st team ballot and gets to the forward spots, how they can justifiably pencil in Carmelo over Durant. Durant was better in every conceivable manner and was on the best team in the West. Carmelo also missed 15 games, to Durant's one.

Durant as listed on all but 17 ballots, LeBron was unanimous. That means 7 went for melo, Durant, LeBron.

[Unbiased_one]

Kobe over Westbrook and Parker ROFL. Another year, another robbery, what else is really new.

It's not a robbery. I wouldn't have gone for kobe but it's a close run thing.

He got 91 votes too.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe over Westbrook and Parker ROFL. Another year, another robbery, what else is really new.

Not at all. Just a tough decision between guys like that. Nobody got robbed.

[dh144498]

Kobe over Westbrook and Parker ROFL. Another year, another robbery, what else is really new.

what an idiot. :wtf:

[All Net]

Miami's so called "stacked" team after Lebron only has a one guy on the all NBA 3rd team..how about that :D

[Unbiased_one]

The thing that is most difficult to understand is how david lee and blake griffin got in over bosh. (Unless bosh was a centre which would make more sense)

[tazb]

Parker was second in the MVP race in the month of March until he sprained his ankle and missed like two weeks. If it wasn't for that and LBJ he would've won MVP. But he gets second team. Lmao.

[Jacks3]

Curry should have been over Wade.

[IncarceratedBob]

Parker was second in the MVP race in the month of March until he sprained his ankle and missed like two weeks. If it wasn't for that and LBJ he would've won MVP. But he gets second team. Lmao.
He wasn't as good as Kobe, get over it kiddo.

[kennethgriffin]

never doubt my sources

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300616

[fpliii]

Curry should have been over Wade.

:wtf:

[KG215]

This.

Totally unfair. If anyone deserved first team over Kobe it was Westbrook in my opinion. Only guard in which the defense argument can be made.

Here's a hint people. Kobe plays better defense than Curry, Harden, and Parker...LOL

Opponents ORtg when player was on/off court this season:

Curry: 106.7 on/101.4 off (5.3 difference)
Kobe: 108.1 on/103.8 off (4.3 difference)
Harden: 107.4 on/ 103.2 off (4.2 difference)
Parker: 100.0 on/103.1 off (-3.1 difference)

Not saying that should be the definitive way to measure who was better and who was worse defensively, but it gives you somewhat of an idea.

[Nastradamus]

No steph curry? c'mon guys, as much as i love Dwade, he only played at all-nba level for 2 months during the streak, while curry has been playing the best during the whole season, also he was carrying this GSW team on his back after the all-star break.

You MAYBE have an argument for him over Wade, but this year was ridiculous for guard play and he just plain wasn't better than Paul,Kobe,Parker,Harden or Westbrook. At best he was one of their equals, and that doesn't make for a good reason to complain about him being "snubbed".

Wade was still a stud this year. He was better in PER and WS/48 and most specifically rated significantly better as a defender. I wouldn't have cried if Curry made it, but lets not minimize Wade.

[KG215]

Parker was second in the MVP race in the month of March until he sprained his ankle and missed like two weeks. If it wasn't for that and LBJ he would've won MVP. But he gets second team. Lmao.

No, Durant still would've won MVP.

[steve]

The thing that is most difficult to understand is how david lee and blake griffin got in over bosh. (Unless bosh was a centre which would make more sense)

Bosh has clearly been recognized as a center all season. The Heat really only have two centers on the team (at least in a traditional sense) and Bosh was on the floor with them for a grand total of 133 minutes. He's played a lot with Haslem, but you'd be hard pressed to list him as a center even using the Gregg Popovich method. Still probably have taken him over Howard though.

[Jacks3]

?

Don't see what's so crazy. I think you can make a case that Curry had the better individual season. Wade was pretty meh during the RS TBH.

[Nastradamus]

Parker was second in the MVP race in the month of March until he sprained his ankle and missed like two weeks. If it wasn't for that and LBJ he would've won MVP. But he gets second team. Lmao.

Uh, no. Kobe was 2nd all year, or Durant. Parker was fighting for the next spot.

[KG215]

never doubt my sources

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=300616
Get the f**k outta here. You don't have sources anymore than the rest of us. You were either going by what some of the ballots that had been floated were indicating, or you were making an educated guess.

[Sakkreth]

Someone voted for Hickson :lol

Btw Griffin :facepalm

[dh144498]

Parker was second in the MVP race in the month of March until he sprained his ankle and missed like two weeks. If it wasn't for that and LBJ he would've won MVP. But he gets second team. Lmao.

you forgot the part where all NBA honors are completely different than the MVP in their criterias, or should be at least. O wait you probably didn't forget, you probably just don't know because you don't know much about basketball....

[Nastradamus]

Wade also shot his career best by a pretty solid margin. He was not "meh" during the regular season. He averaged 21,5 and 5 with 1.9 steals and .8 blocks on .520 shooting.

[HarryCallahan]

TP9>>>>>>>CP3 and it wasn't particularly close.

[SCdac]

How does Howard make an All-NBA team? :oldlol: ... Its all reputation

- injury ridden season
- career high in fouls (3.8 per game)
- lowest scoring in 5 years (17.1 ppg)
- defensive impact seemed negligible (Lakers had weak D)

[tazb]

No, Durant still would've won MVP.

Remember how bad Durant was playing the second half of the season? I doubt he would've won it.


Uh, no. Kobe was 2nd all year, or Durant. Parker was fighting for the next spot.

Bruh, an 8th seed team having someone in the MVP race? No ****ing way. Him and Melo were in the top 5 MVP race in the first half of the season. But March/April? Nah.

[tazb]

Parker and Westbrook should've both been 1st team.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Dwight over Noah or Lopez?

That's a bigger snub than Curry being left off.

[MaxFly]

Pretty much what I expected... good selections.

[jzek]

I wonder how Chris Bosh feels, absolutely forgotten.

He said he couldn't type right now because he's busy holding the championship trophy.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe Bryant

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st) - all time record
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st) - all time record



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Dwyane Wade

2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)


:lol

[chazzy]

Remember how bad Durant was playing the second half of the season? I doubt he would've won it.



Bruh, an 8th seed team having someone in the MVP race? No ****ing way. Him and Melo were in the top 5 MVP race in the first half of the season. But March/April? Nah.
Do you realize they released the final MVP voting numbers? The order was:
Lebron
Durant
Melo
CP3
Kobe
Parker

[KG215]

Remember how bad Durant was playing the second half of the season? I doubt he would've won it.
He still averaged 26-9-5-1-1 on 49/39/90 shooting after the All-Star break. He just had a rough stretch of games in March but picked it back up in late March and April. Sorry, but I don't see anyway how a guy who averaged 28-8-5-1-1 on 50/40/90 shooting on a 60 win team doesn't win MVP if LeBron doesn't.

[KG215]

:lol

What was the point of posting that? And why did you bold it all? Are you this obsessed with Kobe in real life? Or is it just a message board persona?

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe Bryant

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st) - all time record
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st) - all time record



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Dwyane Wade

2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)


:lol
Wade in 09 is better than any version of Kobe.

[fpliii]

Kobe Bryant

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st) - all time record
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st) - all time record



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Dwyane Wade

2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)


:lol

Nobody's disputing that Kobe's had a better career, incredible longevity (also, don't cite media awards griff, you're better than that). Healthy Wade from 06-11 was legendary though, without doubt a tough decision with both guys in their primes/peaks.

[Fudge]

Blake ****ing Griffin?! :roll:

I'm done.

[Jacks3]

Wade in 09 is better than any version of Kobe.
:roll:

[KG215]

:roll:
It's certainly debatable.

[Doctor Rivers]

also, don't cite media awards griff, you're better than that.

lol uh huh

[PJR]

Kobe Bryant

1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st) - all time record
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st) - all time record



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Dwyane Wade

2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)


:lol

Why are you comparing Kobe's individual accolades to that of the Heat's second best player?

I guess you've conceded to the fact that LeBron is on another planet. Had to move on to a more comparable target :cheers:

[Jacks3]

It's certainly debatable.
Only if you're ignorant as hell. Nobody in their right mind would consider Wade a better basketball player than Kobe circa 06-08. Hell, Wade wasn't even better IN 2009. :oldlol:

[Doctor Rivers]

Only if you're ignorant as hell. Nobody in their right mind would consider Wade a better basketball player than Kobe circa 06-08. Hell, Wade wasn't even better IN 2009. :oldlol:

start a new thread

[fpliii]

Only if you're ignorant as hell. Nobody in their right mind would consider Wade a better basketball player than Kobe circa 06-08. Hell, Wade wasn't even better IN 2009. :oldlol:

Hm, not so sure about that. After 06 and when healthy in 07, there certainly was a debate. About 09, that's revisionist history if you're talking about the regular season. Kobe was great in the playoffs against great defenses though, so after the Finals Kobe was certainly the guy. The next two seasons it was reasonable to take Wade, without question (he was the best player in the Finals, though Dirk was better in the 4th quarter). Let's not make this something that it wasn't. :facepalm

[IncarceratedBob]

Only if you're ignorant as hell. Nobody in their right mind would consider Wade a better basketball player than Kobe circa 06-08. Hell, Wade wasn't even better IN 2009. :oldlol:
Oh wow.

First of all in 2009 there's NO comparison. Wade outshined Kobe and if the All NBA team went strictly by position (PG, SG, etc.) then Wade would have made the team.

Kobe's peak prime 06 IMO, is close but Wade was a better teammate, a better leader and a more polished offensive game+elite defense.

Sorry bud, Kobe has had the better career but Wade at his best edges out Kobe at his.

[KG215]

Only if you're ignorant as hell. Nobody in their right mind would consider Wade a better basketball player than Kobe circa 06-08. Hell, Wade wasn't even better IN 2009. :oldlol:
I have no problem with someone who believes Kobe's peak was better than Wade's peak. But to sit there and act like it's not even up for debate, and it's easily Kobe, is just as ignorant.

[rmt]

Blake doesn't belong on 2nd team.

Duncan - only player to make all-NBA 1st team in 3 different decades and ties KAJ for longest years apart (15). When he won his first in 1998, his team mates were MJ, Shaq, K. Malone and Payton.

[Jacks3]

No comparison? Jesus Christ.

Well, it's your opinion

Not going to derail the thread.

[KG215]

No comparison? Jesus Christ.

Well, it's your opinion

Not going to derail the thread.
That's fine, but you're the ignorant one if you're going to pretend that it's not at least a little bit debatable.

[Reverend Hoops]

NBA is really trying to push this BG is a superstar myth. 2nd team for a 18-8 season with no blocks/steals and horrible defense is beyond laughable.

[Jacks3]

Riiiiiight...

[dh144498]

Why are you comparing Kobe's individual accolades to that of the Heat's second best player?

I guess you've conceded to the fact that LeBron is on another planet. Had to move on to a more comparable target :cheers:

08-10 Wade was the Heat's best player, if you hadn't notice the dates posted.....

[KG215]

Riiiiiight...
Well, at least now I can stop going back-and-forth between trying to figure out if you're a poster whose opinion I should respect, or just another Kobe fanboy.

[aj1987]

Wade got snubbed again!:facepalm Dude never gets any respect from these voters. He should've been second team at worst. All these idiots who vote forgot that basketball is played on two ends of the court, not just the offensive end. Once again, :facepalm !

[Fudge]

Wade got snubbed again!:facepalm Dude never gets any respect from these voters. He should've been second team at worst. All these idiots who vote forgot that basketball is played on two ends of the court, not just the offensive end. Once again, :facepalm !
:cry:

[Jacks3]

Can't say I really care what you think.

Just drop it man.

[KG215]

Can't say I really care what you think.

:cheers:

Good, at least the feeling is mutual.

Now, if you could actually make a case as to why it's "ignorant" to say peak Wade was as good or better than peak Kobe, I'd listen. But you're just laughing it off and coming across as another brainwashed Kobe Kultist.

[tpols]

Im sorry but when you get bounced by the fvcking hawks in the first round you dont get distinction over a guy leading his team to a title on great numbers.

People say 09 Wade was in legendary form and he lost to such a mediocre, loser team.. which the hawks have been for a long time.

Its like Dirk gets heat in 07 for being so great in the regular season and losing in the first round, but Wade somehow doesnt? Both their teammates played like shit as well as themselves so that is not an argument.

[DMAVS41]

Im sorry but when you get bounced by the fvcking hawks in the first round you dont get distinction over a guy leading his team to a title on great numbers.

I actually agree if you are looking at the entire year.

But I'll assume that means you think Kobe in 06 has no case over Wade in 06 then...

[Big#50]

Blake Griffin? LoL

[tpols]

I actually agree if you are looking at the entire year.

But I'll assume that means you think Kobe in 06 has no case over Wade in 06 then...
As far as how the year culminated of course not.. Kobe went out with his head hanging.

But Ill take an L versus those absolutely stacked Suns squads as an 8 seed over an L against those Hawks. Competition is not comparable..

[Jacks3]

:cheers:

Good, at least the feeling is mutual.



If you don't care what I think, than why are you pestering me to "make a case".

Don't bother replying. I certainly won't.

[aj1987]

Im sorry but when you get bounced by the fvcking hawks in the first round you dont get distinction over a guy leading his team to a title on great numbers.

People say 09 Wade was in legendary form and he lost to such a mediocre, loser team.. which the hawks have been for a long time.

Its like Dirk gets heat in 07 for being so great in the regular season and losing in the first round, but Wade somehow doesnt? Both their teammates played like shit as well as themselves so that is not an argument.
Look at his teammates in '09 man. After '06, Wade didn't have even an average team till the big three happened. If he was on a decent team in '09, he would've made the finals for sure. He still averaged 30/5/5 against the Hawks, BTW.

[DMAVS41]

As far as how the year culminated of course not.. Kobe went out with his head hanging.

But Ill take an L versus those absolutely stacked Suns squads as an 8 seed over an L against those Hawks. Competition is not comparable..

What?

You do realize the Suns didn't have Amare...and Odom was easily better than anyone Wade had in the playoffs.

Not to mention the Hawks actually played defense at times.

This is my problem...it could not be more of a double standard.

And in world is the following roster stacked?

Nash
Diaw
Marion
Thomas
Barbosa
Bell

Seriously? How the **** is that a stacked team? Do you people even know the definition of the word?

And what does Kobe going out with his head hanging even mean? Please explain. Kobe quit in the 2nd half of that game 7...I wouldn't be using that to prop him in some ****ed up way.

[tpols]

The mid 2000s Suns werent stacked now.. and were worse than the hawks. Think Ive heard it all now.:oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

The mid 2000s Suns werent stacked now.. and were worse than the hawks. Think Ive heard it all now.:oldlol:

We are talking about the 06 Suns you ****ing moron. Not the Suns in general.

And I never said they were worse than the Hawks....

You didn't even know this history. You probably didn't even know Amare didn't play in that series.

Hahahahahahahaha. Priceless...

[BasedTom]

Im sorry but when you get bounced by the fvcking hawks in the first round you dont get distinction over a guy leading his team to a title on great numbers.

People say 09 Wade was in legendary form and he lost to such a mediocre, loser team.. which the hawks have been for a long time.

Its like Dirk gets heat in 07 for being so great in the regular season and losing in the first round, but Wade somehow doesnt? Both their teammates played like shit as well as themselves so that is not an argument.
Shouldn't awards like All-NBA, MVP, DPOTY, ROTY only take into account the performance of the individual player during the regular season?

[PJR]

Boris Diaw as a starting center. Talk about stacked. :oldlol:

[tpols]

Boris Diaw as a starting center. Talk about stacked. :oldlol:
He put up...

19/7/5 on 53% shooting.

:oldlol:

[daj0264]

how in the hell is kobe even in the top 3 teams? i get lebron had to be there because of the fraud mvp but kobe hasnt done shit.

[DMAVS41]

He put up...

19/7/5 on 53% shooting.

:oldlol:

And Odom put up 19/11/5 on 50% shooting while going against Marion.

:bowdown:

[IncarceratedBob]

Can't have it both ways:facepalm

Kobe in 09 > Wade in 09 b/c Lakers won championship

Kobe in 06 > Wade in 06 b/c Lakers lost against stacked team

Come on

[DMAVS41]

Can't have it both ways:facepalm

Kobe in 09 > Wade in 09 b/c Lakers won championship

Kobe in 06 > Wade in 06 b/c Lakers lost against stacked team

Come on

Forgive him. He claims to be a Lakers fan but he didn't even know Amare was out in 06. Now he's resorting to shifting the conversation to the mid 00 Suns teams and trying to find a way to call the 06 Suns stacked so he can have his cake and eat it...

Hilarious watching the juggling act Kobe stans must perform...

[305Baller]

David Lee over Bosh?

:biggums:

[longtime lurker]

We are talking about the 06 Suns you ****ing moron. Not the Suns in general.

And I never said they were worse than the Hawks....

You didn't even know this history. You probably didn't even know Amare didn't play in that series.

Hahahahahahahaha. Priceless...

To be fair the Suns had Boris Diaw who was playing at a borderline all star level the whole season and Marion was still in all star form and league MVP Steve Nash. Not to mention Barbosa coming off the bench.

[tpols]

Can't have it both ways:facepalm

Kobe in 09 > Wade in 09 b/c Lakers won championship

Kobe in 06 > Wade in 06 b/c Lakers lost against stacked team

Come on
Wait..

I said as far as how the entire years ended Kobe didnt get that nod over Wade in 06. Check the last page.

All that was being compared was how Kobe went out in 06 to how wade went out in 09.

Both had legendary regular seasons but Wade lost as the 5th seed to the hawks.. Id say the suns were on another level competition wise.

And both players dragged very shitty squads to the playoffs. Its just easier to get a good seed in the east versus the west.

[DMAVS41]

To be fair the Suns had Boris Diaw who was playing at a borderline all star level the whole season and Marion was still in all star form and league MVP Steve Nash. Not to mention Barbosa coming off the bench.

Yea. They were good. Not stacked. Huge difference.

And if we are going to hammer Wade for his play...Kobe hardly lit up a team that played little defense...and Kobe got tremendous help from Odom...help Wade didn't get against the Hawks.

This was a series in which Kobe did nothing to separate himself from the rest of the league. Nothing.

It's the very definition of a double standard.

[Gabuyaux]

I am more surprised by the Blake selection than David Lee.

[PJR]

Let's not gloss over the fact that Dwyane Wade's second best player and starting center missed game 7 in that Hawks series with a concussion. That being the decrepit remains of Jermaine O'Neal.

What was Gawbe's excuse?

[longtime lurker]

Yea. They were good. Not stacked. Huge difference.

And if we are going to hammer Wade for his play...Kobe hardly lit up a team that played little defense...and Kobe got tremendous help from Odom...help Wade didn't get against the Hawks.

This was a series in which Kobe did nothing to separate himself from the rest of the league. Nothing.

It's the very definition of a double standard.

Well it's the difference between a 1-8 team and a 4-5 team. So I don't see your point. If Kobe averages 35 against the Suns and lose you'd still say they lost because of his selfishness, he played a team game and they still lost. Realistically the Suns figured them out and the huge lack of talent caught up with them. The Hawks were led by Joe Johnson and Josh Smith averaging 17 a game. In a 4-5 match up it's not absolutely unheard of for the 5 seed to win, but I don't see how either situation is really similar.

I still think it's absolutely silly to say that 09 Wade is better than any version of Kobe.

[guy]

I actually don't have a problem with Kobe on 1st team. Parker and Wade missed too many games, and I don't think the results for either team would be much different if you switched Kobe and Harden or Westbrook, who both weren't better players. Its actually understandable. It would be one thing if he won it over an 05-07 Nash, 09-11 Wade, 2011 Rose, etc. but thats not the case.

[1987_Lakers]

Pretty good list, but Blake Griffin shouldn't be on there, the guy has no skill & is soft.

[dh144498]

I actually don't have a problem with Kobe on 1st team. Parker and Wade missed too many games, and I don't think the results for either team would be much different if you switched Kobe and Harden or Westbrook, who both weren't better players. Its actually understandable. It would be one thing if he won it over an 05-07 Nash, 09-11 Wade, 2011 Rose, etc. but thats not the case.

:biggums:
maybe I misunderstood this, but you just said those players in those years were better than Kobe in those respective years?

[INDI]

Kobe first team is a joke. Guy played no defense all year and his team was the biggest failure in NBA History(Finals projected, won zero playoff games). Here is what the teams SHOULD have been.

2012-13 All-NBA First Team:
Chris Paul
James Harden
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

2012-13 All-NBA Second Team:
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Bosh
Marc Gasol

2012-13 All-NBA Third Team:
Dwyane Wade
Steph Curry
Paul George
Zach Randolph
Dwight Howard

My changes
-Replaced Kobe with Harden on first team.
-Replaced Griffin with Chris Bosh on second team.
-Put Curry on third team to take the spot that harden prevously had.
-Zach Randolph over David Lee

So you bash kobe for being first team saying they didn't have a good record and then award a player who had worse stats, and finished as a lower seed to take his place?????

How does that make any sense????



AND THEN you have him not making any of the teams when he was a clear top 4 player this year!!!!!!!!!!! I heard of hating but you on some other stuff

[KyleKong]

Apparently Brook Lopez got 132 points in All-NBA votes while David Lee got 79 but because he was listed as a forward, he got the nod. :facepalm

Who cares about Lee, the fact that Howard is over Lopez is :lol :lol :lol

[Legends66NBA7]

2012-13 All-NBA First Team:
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

No problems here.


2012-13 All-NBA Second Team:
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Carmelo Anthony
Blake Griffin
Marc Gasol

Blake Griffin sticks outs, you could probably put someone else there. I don't know what's the big deal with Parker or in this thread for that matter, but it's not a bad pick either.


2012-13 All-NBA Third Team:
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Paul George
David Lee
Dwight Howard

Thought Harden and Wade might have been higher, but seems like an okay spot too. George is a good pick here. Howard is interesting, while he has great stats and led the league in rebounding again, there might be better choices out there.


I thought Tony Parker should have been first team

Nah, just don't see it. His team won and had a great month, but it's not enough over Paul and Bryant.


and Harden second team.

This I agree.


No Steph Curry is a bit baffling to me as well (over Wade?).

That's the only case, but I think Wade played better defense and was an important part of that 27 game win streak the Heat had, so I think Wade should get the nod. Curry peaked late in the 2nd half, so I do definitely see the case. For records sake, let's say he's damn close 7th guard.



Chris Bosh should have been there over David Lee IMO.

Lee scored, rebounded, and passed better. Bosh played better defense, more efficient, and part of the better team... I think Lee was more consistent, though.

[imdaman99]

with cp3, kobe, lebron, and durant there. seems like goatbrook and melo are destined to be career 2nd teamers

[TheReal Kendall]

What's the purpose of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams? Looks like shit to me

[G-train]

What a debacle, as usual. Just terrible teams.
Look if you have Kobe over Westbrook you are a dumbass.
Tim Duncan might be the best centre, but I'm sure he is doing something dodgey. One thing about sports I have learnt is that if its too good to be true is always isn't. Always.He is pretty much equal with about 5 guys so whatever.

But to get an idea of the stupidity of the voters just check guys getting votes.
Nikola Vucevic
Rajon Rondo
J.J. Hickson
Kenneth Faried (3 votes!)

A guy like Griffin second team? With 132 votes? While a player like Randolph who is better gets 45?

Meh I shouldn't bother even looking every year.

[Young X]

CP3 with another 1st team appearance :applause:

Kobe deserved to be on the 1st team, him and Paul were the best guards.

Wade should've been on the 2nd team.

Paul George making the 3rd team over Curry is a joke.

Brook Lopez should've been on a team.

[yobore]

No one should be surprised at all that Kobe was first team. For the media, the criteria for first team is "Did Kobe play well this year?" If yes, he's on, then they vote for the other guard who should be on first team. Never more obvious than in 2009 when CP posted 23/11.6/5.5/2.7 with .599 TS% and got put on 2nd team.

[stephanieg]

Wow, Blake made the 2nd team on just dunking and crappy commercials. That's pretty good.

[ThaRegul8r]

Kobe is now tied for first all time in most selections for the All NBA Teams - 15 total (same as Kareem), but 11 first team (one more than Kareem and same as Malone). :applause:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#Most_selections

Fixed.

If we're going to say something, let's be completely accurate about it.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Parker definitively should of been First Team but the media continues to overrate Chris Paul

[Burgz V2]

drop David Lee for Chris Bosh otherwise okay. Griffin should be third team tbh.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kobe barely got his team in the playoffs. He doesn't deserve 1st team.

[KG215]

So you bash kobe for being first team saying they didn't have a good record and then award a player who had worse stats, and finished as a lower seed to take his place?????

How does that make any sense????



AND THEN you have him not making any of the teams when he was a clear top 4 player this year!!!!!!!!!!! I heard of hating but you on some other stuff
I don't have a problem with Kobe on the 1st team. I think all of Kobe, Paul, Westbrook, Parker, and Harden have a good case. But Kobe wasn't a "clear" top 4 player this year.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe barely got his team in the playoffs. He doesn't deserve 1st team.
:facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

Paul George making the 3rd team over Curry is a joke.


George made it as a forward.

[Young X]

George made it as a forward.
Yeah I just realized that, shame Curry never made the ASG or any team, just shows how many great guards are in the West. :confusedshrug:

Kobe barely got his team in the playoffs. He doesn't deserve 1st team.
27/6/5.6 on 57 TS% isn't enough for the 1st team?

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah I just realized that, shame Curry never made the ASG or any team, just shows how many great guards are in the West. :confusedshrug:

27/6/5.6 on 57 TS% isn't enough for the 1st team?

Sure if your team doesn't under perform and others aren't more deserving from top teams.

[FKAri]

He said he couldn't type right now because he's busy holding the championship trophy.

As I started reading this sentence I was expecting a gay joke to end it.

[Rose'sACL]

Kobe clearly deserved the 1st team selection. He was a top 5 player this season.

[LLK21]

27/6/6 at 34 years old :rockon:

[guy]

:biggums:
maybe I misunderstood this, but you just said those players in those years were better than Kobe in those respective years?

Nah not exactly. I'm saying there wasn't another player like that THIS YEAR that would've clearly deserved it over Kobe of this year. CP3 is the only guard in the league that clearly deserved to be on it more then Kobe, while everyone else was either arguable or had no case.

That wasn't my point, but I would say that he definitely didn't deserve it in 2011. I think Wade got screwed that year and it should've been Wade+Rose on the first team instead of Kobe+Rose.

[deja vu]

:wtf:

he's the best SG in the league this year. Or are you just blind? or just trolling?
8th seed

[Jacks3]

They were actually 7th. :lol

[deja vu]

They were actually 7th. :lol
Haha my bad. I was thinking that San Antonio was the top seed. :roll:

[tikay0]

I wonder how Chris Bosh feels, absolutely forgotten.

Homophobia.