Are we gonna act like the refs didnt try to screw Miami last night

[livinglegend]

Lebron drives for a layup. West hits him on the chest. Another defender hits him on the head. NO CALL!
Next play, phantom foul given to Paul George. He gets 3fts and a chance to take the lead. :facepalm

[taucesays]

I think there were 2 out of bounds calls that went undeservedly in Miami's favor in the last 6 minutes of regulation. Shut your mongoloid mouth

[russwest0]

No, they weren't. James didn't even get touched on the head, watch that play again. He was just whining to the refs like usual. Miami is Flop City anyways. They deserved to be screwed after all of that flopping last night.

[Fudge]

You have Rihanna as your avatar. Close this thread.

[Derka]

Refs did not try to screw Miami.

[Psycho]

The fix was in, but Lebron overcame the refs with his indomitable will.

[Rondo]

Can someone PLEASE show me where the f*ck this hit on the head is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNRf9rRLsU

What about Bosh pushing Hibbert resulting in a massive 3 point play? Forget which Pacer it was but Battier pushed him to the ground and HE was the one who got FT's.

Miami throws the ball out of bounds, it clearly doesn't touch West and they say it's Miami ball without even reviewing it. Get real. There were debatable calls for both teams last night and hopefully that continues because it makes for a more entertaining game than one team getting everything.

[Remix]

heat fans complaining about the refs? how ironic

[leMVP]

Refs killed the game on both sides, Wade didn't even touch P.george and the whistled for a foul. (he did foul him but on the floor).

i hope ish understands that call could've been the deciding factor for the game if lebron didn't hit the buzzer beater.

[outbreak]

Refs killed the game on both sides, Wade didn't even touch P.george and the whistled for a foul. (he did foul him but on the floor).

i hope ish understands that call could've been the deciding factor for the game if lebron didn't hit the buzzer beater.

where the hell are you guys pulling this from? did you watch a different game to the rest of us? Wade CLEARLY, C-L-E-A-R-L-Y makes contact with his elbow. No questions no argument.

the game was called fairly for once, yeah there was a few bad calls both ways (2 major possessions given to the heat when they touched it last out of bounds if we're counting) but that's usual and acceptable. I do like that the refs were actually trying to call offensive fouls and time in the paint though. It annoys me when they just ignore rules.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Can someone PLEASE show me where the f*ck this hit on the head is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNRf9rRLsU

What about Bosh pushing Hibbert resulting in a massive 3 point play? Forget which Pacer it was but Battier pushed him to the ground and HE was the one who got FT's.

Miami throws the ball out of bounds, it clearly doesn't touch West and they say it's Miami ball without even reviewing it. Get real. There were debatable calls for both teams last night and hopefully that continues because it makes for a more entertaining game than one team getting everything.


In real time it looked like hill might have got his head, that replay clearly shows hill wasnt even close to touching Lebron's head

[Breezy]

Yeah, I was gonna act like that.

[tpols]

David stern: Yea.. Uh.. I'm gonna have you guys rig this one for the Pacers tonight. Make it look good though. I don't want to have to come down there.

Head ref: um.. You do realize their best player is Paul George sir? lol

Stern: What's so goddamm funny about that?

Ref: well he's barely a 20 ppg player sir. I dont-

Stern: go Fvcking get him right now

Ref: Wait what's going on?! No!

*pop* *pop*

[livinglegend]

Can someone PLEASE show me where the f*ck this hit on the head is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNRf9rRLsU

What about Bosh pushing Hibbert resulting in a massive 3 point play? Forget which Pacer it was but Battier pushed him to the ground and HE was the one who got FT's.

Miami throws the ball out of bounds, it clearly doesn't touch West and they say it's Miami ball without even reviewing it. Get real. There were debatable calls for both teams last night and hopefully that continues because it makes for a more entertaining game than one team getting everything.

David West slapped him and no call.
Also, from this cam angle you cant see the slap, but yesterday, from another camera angle, i saw hill hitting on the head.

[Rose'sACL]

officiating was not biased at all in yesterday's game. I hate NBA fans who cry "refball" after every game.

[jzek]

You know Wade is no longer a superstar when the refs call a foul on him with the game on the line (a 3pointer no less)!

2006 Wade would have never been called for that foul. RIP Wade :(

[outbreak]

officiating was not biased at all in yesterday's game. I hate NBA fans who cry "refball" after every game.

some games have horrible, horrible calls going in stars favour. This play offs I haven't really seen that. To be honest I was expecting lots of tic tac calls on the pacers while the heat got away with it but it was actually called pretty evenly and as a result it was one of the best play off games in a long time. You always get some bad calls but there wasn't one team getting blatant calls over and over again. Heat fans are just used to preferential treatment for their stars and so get mad when they get normal calls for once.

[outbreak]

You know Wade is no longer a superstar when the refs call a foul on him with the game on the line (a 3pointer no less)!

2006 Wade would have never been called for that foul. RIP Wade :(
considering the contact with the shooters elbow yes i do think he would have been called :facepalm

[livinglegend]

considering the contact with the shooters elbow yes i do think he would have been called :facepalm

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/mVjf18427DQ/hqdefault.jpg

[tpols]

You know Wade is no longer a superstar when the refs call a foul on him with the game on the line (a 3pointer no less)!

2006 Wade would have never been called for that foul. RIP Wade :(
That would've been an offensive foul on George if it was 2006 wade

[poido123]

officiating was not biased at all in yesterday's game. I hate NBA fans who cry "refball" after every game.

It suits your team and will do so for the next few years, why would you have a problem with it :lol:

Listen, I hate having to complain about reffing personally. I just have a hard time not saying something when I can clearly see what's going on...

Birdman goes up to the hoop and hibbert goes to block it making no contact. 4th foul on hibbert in the 3rd quarter :facepalm:

It wouldnt matter what people said on here, Heat fans would never admit to any bias from the refs.

The Wade call was 50/50, I had a hard time seeing it properly, but it looks like he got a bit of elbow and hand. I would of been happy if they didnt call that.

[jzek]

That would've been an offensive foul on George if it was 2006 wade

Exactly.

Wade no longer commands special treatment from the refs because he's really not that special these days.

[G-train]

I think there were 2 out of bounds calls that went undeservedly in Miami's favor in the last 6 minutes of regulation. Shut your mongoloid mouth

They were definitely Miami ball.

Lets not talk about Wade being called for 5 seconds backing down, when he had posted up for 2 seconds.

Lets not mention Paul George getting 3 SHOTS in the ECF with 2 seconds left in OT when there was no foul. (Nor the fact he flopped out his arm in the opposite direction when it happened - IMAGINE IF LEBRON DID IT).

What about Lebron getting his second in the 1st quarter on an offensive foul for incidental contact just driving past George?

There were many calls against Miami last night.

[toooo]

They were definitely Miami ball.

Lets not talk about Wade being called for 5 seconds backing down, when he had posted up for 2 seconds.

Lets not mention Paul George getting 3 SHOTS in the ECF with 2 seconds left in OT when there was no foul. (Nor the fact he flopped out his arm in the opposite direction when it happened - IMAGINE IF LEBRON DID IT).

What about Lebron getting his second in the 1st quarter on an offensive foul for incidental contact just driving past George?

There were many calls against Miami last night.

Are you Heat fan?

[poido123]

They were definitely Miami ball.

Lets not talk about Wade being called for 5 seconds backing down, when he had posted up for 2 seconds.

Lets not mention Paul George getting 3 SHOTS in the ECF with 2 seconds left in OT when there was no foul. (Nor the fact he flopped out his arm in the opposite direction when it happened - IMAGINE IF LEBRON DID IT).

What about Lebron getting his second in the 1st quarter on an offensive foul for incidental contact just driving past George?

There were many calls against Miami last night.

The one where the ball clearly comes off Birdman's hand last? Not west...

I saw a few where it looked like it was out olff Miami, but no replay was shown...

Why would the Lebron call matter and was that a significant point in the game? Like, how many times does he get fouled out in a game...Never.

When you can see a potential momentum swing in a game or a vital point of the game, you can see all the calls go against Indiana, whether its a no call or a foul. If you don't believe me, have a look at Vogel and the bench face's after some of the calls out there...Complete shock and amazement.

Anyways, why are you playing the devil's advocate? Does there always have to be the token "neutral guy" who comes on here and sticks up for the Heat?

[G-train]

2 fouls in the first quarter to your best player affects the game.

I honestly believe the Heat are a tier above the Pacers, and should win in 4 or 5 games, and some key referee decisions last night really evened up the contest.

[Rose'sACL]

It suits your team and will do so for the next few years, why would you have a problem with it :lol:

Listen, I hate having to complain about reffing personally. I just have a hard time not saying something when I can clearly see what's going on...

Birdman goes up to the hoop and hibbert goes to block it making no contact. 4th foul on hibbert in the 3rd quarter :facepalm:

It wouldnt matter what people said on here, Heat fans would never admit to any bias from the refs.

The Wade call was 50/50, I had a hard time seeing it properly, but it looks like he got a bit of elbow and hand. I would of been happy if they didnt call that.
My team is spurs so i don't care what you think. You are clearly a heat hater more than you are a bulls fan. Whenver i try to have a good debate with you, you act like you are some saint who can't be wrong.
You clearly have an anti-heat agenda and it is not based on how they play the game. You always talk about bulls like bulls front office chose the most innocent players in NBA and got them to play for them.
I hated heat in 2011 and even in 2012 when they won the title because they weren't playing the type of basketball i like. You hate them for other reasons.

[Derka]

2 fouls in the first quarter to your best player affects the game.

I honestly believe the Heat are a tier above the Pacers, and should win in 4 or 5 games, and some key referee decisions last night really evened up the contest.
No, they didn't.

You are delusional and doing your absolute best to give the Pacers no credit for nearly escaping with a win.

I will brook no argument on this because this is the same thing that was done after Game 1 against Chicago, chapter and verse. Heatstans do this constantly.

[poido123]

My team is spurs so i don't care what you think. You are clearly a heat hater more than you are a bulls fan. Whenver i try to have a good debate with you, you act like you are some saint who can't be wrong.
You clearly have an anti-heat agenda and it is not based on how they play the game. You always talk about bulls like bulls front office chose the most innocent players in NBA and got them to play for them.
I hated heat in 2011 and even in 2012 when they won the title because they weren't playing the type of basketball i like. You hate them for other reasons.

:biggums: You sure do sound homerish for a guy who isn't a Heat fan :lol:

GTFO that you not a Heat fan! All you do is post about the Heat, not the Spurs...

I hate the Heat? Doesn't mean I don't see shit they get away with...

I appreciate winning teams like the Spurs, Pistons and other teams that have won the title, but I dont appreciate league driven teams like the Heat who have alot of reasons to dislike them, which has nothing to do with some kind of agenda dude.

[madmax]

You know Wade is no longer a superstar when the refs call a foul on him with the game on the line (a 3pointer no less)!

2006 Wade would have never been called for that foul. RIP D-Whistle :(

fixed it for ya:cheers:

[Solefade]

In real time it looked like hill might have got his head, that replay clearly shows hill wasnt even close to touching Lebron's head


What the hell are you talking about clearly? You can't see shit in that video

[Rose'sACL]

:biggums: You sure do sound homerish for a guy who isn't a Heat fan :lol:

GTFO that you not a Heat fan! All you do is post about the Heat, not the Spurs...

I hate the Heat? Doesn't mean I don't see shit they get away with...

I appreciate winning teams like the Spurs, Pistons and other teams that have won the title, but I dont appreciate league driven teams like the Heat who have alot of reasons to dislike them, which has nothing to do with some kind of agenda dude.
I am just a mature enough to treat sports like sports should be treated. You guys act like Apple and Samsung lovers who can't give any compliment to the other company for doing anything good.
I hated heat because they weren't playing to their potential in 2011 and even in 2012 and i just didn't like lebron at all on the court as i could see he was doubting himself. I still don't like off the court lebron but i don't let that thing make me hate him as a basketball player.
I was a little biased in 2012 playoffs though as i wanted a Celtics- Spurs finals because i thought it was the last year for big 3 in Boston and wanted them to at least get to the finals.After OKC won in WCF, i wanted boston to win it all.
in 2011, i wanted bulls to win it after spurs got eliminated just because i like seeing young guys like Rose to win things.
This was one the reasons i became a spurs fan because duncan was drafted and i really wanted a talented young guy like him to win things. Their play style, coach and front office was a bonus.
I have been a spurs fan because when you think of spurs, you think of team basketball and heat are playing team basketball like spurs.

[DaSeba5]

The OP is wrong. The refs did a poor job for both sides. All of you act like your team are saints and the Heat are the big bad evil floppers that Stern wants to win 10+ championships. It's ironic really. You people whine about the refs more than Heat fans. We get the same calls as super stars have always gotten. We also get the benefit of bad calls like many teams do when the refs are doing a poor job. You nit pick every fvcking call as being rigged for Miami. LeBron could get hit in the head, and nobody will have a problem. As soon as they draw a foul on a Pacers player, the whole NBA is rigged.

[LongLiveTheKing]

That last foul on Wade is something that shouldn't be called he's barely an All-Star?
That last call was BS.

[GrapeApe]

The call on Wade was pretty weak. Even if there was minimal contact the refs usually won't bail out the shooter in that situation. Other that I though the officiating was equally shaky for both sides.

[DaSeba5]

The call on Wade was pretty weak. Even if there was minimal contact the refs usually won't bail out the shooter in that situation. Other that I though the officiating was equally shaky for both sides.

Agreed

[imdaman99]

You have Rihanna as your avatar. Close this thread.
This.

OP blew JR. what a fgt :facepalm

[3LiftHeatCurse]

#3 for the pacers hit Lebron's head with his elbow. Plain as day.

[red1]

Refs trying to screw miami. Lmao now I've heard everything

[plowking]

Can someone PLEASE show me where the f*ck this hit on the head is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNRf9rRLsU

What about Bosh pushing Hibbert resulting in a massive 3 point play? Forget which Pacer it was but Battier pushed him to the ground and HE was the one who got FT's.

Miami throws the ball out of bounds, it clearly doesn't touch West and they say it's Miami ball without even reviewing it. Get real. There were debatable calls for both teams last night and hopefully that continues because it makes for a more entertaining game than one team getting everything.

How can you make a conclusive statement that he didn't get hit when you don't have the proper angle.

Another point. How does Lebron somehow make up the contact in the exact place where we are disputing whether Hill hit him or not. Lebron has no idea where the hand swiped considering he is in front of Hill at that point and his eyes are straight forward. Are you saying Lebron is simply a master of guessing?

Point is, you have no angle, Lebron claims to be hit on the head at the exact point of swipe by Hill despite not seeing any of Hill. I'm gonna say he got hit.

[Cangri]

Refs trying to screw miami. Lmao now I've heard everything
Yeah because that 3 point foul on Wade where there barely any contact vs the play before where there was MUCH more contact on Lebron and no call isn't trying to screw miami over.

[gilalizard]

There is not a team in the league, nor a player perhaps in history, that gets more help from the refs than the Heat and LeBron.

Last season's Finals proved that.

[red1]

There is not a team in the league, nor a player perhaps in history, that gets more help from the refs than the Heat and LeBron.

Last season's Finals proved that.
arent you the same gilalizard who was acting like a little hoe when the heat won last year? still mad huh :lol

[SewerUrchin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRu3XRXe8cs

See 6:18 mark. There are a couple of additional angles from behind.

It's not entirely clear enough from any of these angles to settle any debates. Heat haters will argue nobody touched Lebron's head. Heat fans will claim you can see a reaction thunk on Lebron's head from getting hit.

What does seem clear to me is that during the drive Hill grabs Lebron's arm and West swats across his body, either of which *could* have been called a foul, elbow to the head or no. That said, there were plenty of Indiana drives into the paint with similar contact that weren't called either, so no complaints from me.

[SewerUrchin]

There is not a poster in this forum, nor a person perhaps in history, that complains more about the refs with respect to the Heat and LeBron, than I.

All of my posts prove that.

FIXED!

[ripthekik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRu3XRXe8cs

See 6:18 mark. There are a couple of additional angles from behind.

It's not entirely clear enough from any of these angles to settle any debates. Heat haters will argue nobody touched Lebron's head. Heat fans will claim you can see a reaction thunk on Lebron's head from getting hit.
Please, with Lebron's history of flopping, acting, you actually believe he was hit? He's just flopping some more :oldlol:

[SewerUrchin]

Please, with Lebron's history of flopping, acting, you actually believe he was hit? He's just flopping some more :oldlol:

At 6:23, his head pops down with a quick jolt. Does Lebron flop from time to time, absolutely! But that kind of head pop would be pretty tough to master as an acting move.

I understand how much you adore and admire Lebron's game, but surely you don't think he's so talented that he would jog his head down while on the way to the basket, risking loss of vision and focus on the rim, just so he could try to flop his way to a potential three point play? If that was indeed the case, then that's pretty darn impressive, but also sad considering it didn't even work.

[ripthekik]

At 6:23, his head pops down with a quick jolt. Does Lebron flop from time to time, absolutely! But that kind of head pop would be pretty tough to master as an acting move.

I understand how much you adore and admire Lebron's game, but surely you don't think he's so talented that he would jog his head down while on the way to the basket, risking loss of vision and focus on the rim, just so he could try to flop his way to a potential three point play? If that was indeed the case, then that's pretty darn impressive, but also sad considering it didn't even work.
lol, he would react if he felt the chance was there to sell it.

This guy falls down so many times while setting screens it's funny. Derek fisher is able to knock him down? In the game yesterday, he also fell when setting a screen and got 2 free throws from it:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Flopping is such a big part of his game now. That play there is part of it. He's just gotten a bit better at not being so flamboyant.

[plowking]

lol, he would react if he felt the chance was there to sell it.

This guy falls down so many times while setting screens it's funny. Derek fisher is able to knock him down? In the game yesterday, he also fell when setting a screen and got 2 free throws from it:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Flopping is such a big part of his game now. That play there is part of it. He's just gotten a bit better at not being so flamboyant.

So how does Lebron guess exactly where the contact is in dispute, despite not seeing where Hill swiped at due to being in front of him?

Did he magically just assume Hill took a swipe around his head? :oldlol:

All evidence points to Lebron most likely getting hit on the head on that play.

[SewerUrchin]

lol, he would react if he felt the chance was there to sell it.

This guy falls down so many times while setting screens it's funny. Derek fisher is able to knock him down? In the game yesterday, he also fell when setting a screen and got 2 free throws from it:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


I know, it was awesome, it made me LOL, and I was hoping he would get fined... a little disappointed he hasn't been, but there's still time.



Flopping is such a big part of his game now. That play there is part of it. He's just gotten a bit better at not being so flamboyant.

I wouldn't say it's any more a part of his game now than before. He's just getting better at it from experience. Keep in mind, players have to be much more careful about flopping now. What you need is plausible deniability. Think about it:

You have to pick the right moment, at speed, during the flow of the game.
Your technique needs to convince the refs watching live.
Your technique also has to create enough plausibility during slow motion reviews *after the game* so you don't get fined and ultimately suspended.
Superstar status does help with plausibility, but I've seen non superstars succeed, so it's not impossible.


The rule changes have, if anything, favored the experienced, seasoned floppers over the amateurs. It's also reduced the overall flopping to maybe 2-3 offenses per game instead of 8-10. So in a way it has freed things up for the refs to mess up calls all on their own without players influencing them as much.

[Jax]

Can someone PLEASE show me where the f*ck this hit on the head is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNRf9rRLsU

What about Bosh pushing Hibbert resulting in a massive 3 point play? Forget which Pacer it was but Battier pushed him to the ground and HE was the one who got FT's.

Miami throws the ball out of bounds, it clearly doesn't touch West and they say it's Miami ball without even reviewing it. Get real. There were debatable calls for both teams last night and hopefully that continues because it makes for a more entertaining game than one team getting everything.
West clearly hacked him...:biggums:

[arifgokcen]

No, they weren't. James didn't even get touched on the head, watch that play again. He was just whining to the refs like usual. Miami is Flop City anyways. They deserved to be screwed after all of that flopping last night.

Lebron got hit there twice by west and hill no doubt about it

that said as i always say bad calls go both ways,refs didnt favor pacers but they didnt favor miami at all.

[SpaceJammeR]

Lebron got hit there twice by west and hill no doubt about it

that said as i always say bad calls go both ways,refs didnt favor pacers but they didnt favor miami at all.

if refs were rigging for miami to win they wouldn't have called that last foul on wade. it's actually funny that they called that foul.

[greymatter]

West clearly hacked him...:biggums:

Some douche obviously wasn't watching the game live. The clip didn't show the TNT's other replay from behind. Hill thought he could block Lebron from behind and all he did was catch him across the head with his forearm.

There were 2 clear fouls on that drive. They just weren't hard enough to do anything to slow Lebron's momentum.

[NumberSix]

You have Rihanna as your avatar. Close this thread.
You have Perkins and a goat doe.

[LikeABosh]

Refs were terrible all around last game. They were calling touch fouls on both sides all game. Lebron was certainly fouled just as much as Paul Geroge was on that three point att. the play after.

[LikeABosh]

Refs were terrible all around last game. They were calling touch fouls on both sides all game. Lebron was certainly fouled just as much as Paul Geroge was on that three point att. the play after.

[BBallZen83]

Refs just killed any flow to the game at all. It was really frustrating at times. Not that they were doing it to kill miami, but the heat do thrive off of offensive flow and good pace. The one call that had me absolutely livid was the foul call on wade to give 3 freethrows to george, basically taking the game directly out of the hands of the players and into the hands of the officials. You just don't make that call at the end of a game unless the foul is blatant. I saw every angle of that play and their was no definitive contact by wade.

[Psycho]

Refs just killed any flow to the game at all. It was really frustrating at times. Not that they were doing it to kill miami, but the heat do thrive off of offensive flow and good pace. The one call that had me absolutely livid was the foul call on wade to give 3 freethrows to george, basically taking the game directly out of the hands of the players and into the hands of the officials. You just don't make that call at the end of a game unless the foul is blatant. I saw every angle of that play and their was no definitive contact by wade.

You must need glasses then.

[ihoopallday]

You're so mad right now