Is Lebron boring?

[9erempiree]

The man puts up stats that doesn't seem to be organic. I'm quoting someone from another thread. His stats seem to be force or he make's it look so easy. If he's making it look so easy than he's really underachieving. Guys like Kobe, Magic and MJ were overachievers. They played the game like superheros.

I believe an all time great is suppose to play with flash and flare. Showmanship is what gets you to an all time level. A guy like Duncan puts up great stats but he has no showmanship. It's required in the game of basketball. Basketball is entertainment.

Lebron to me, is a textbook player. He's that boring biology textbook. The all time greats were The Great Gatsby, A Tale of Two Cities, The Art of War and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

Lebron could be our current era specific player.

[Unbiased_one]

The man puts up stats that doesn't seem to be organic. I'm quoting someone from another thread. His stats seem to be force or he make's it look so easy. If he's making it look so easy than he's really underachieving. Guys like Kobe, Magic and MJ were overachievers. They played the game like superheros.

I believe an all time great is suppose to play with flash and flare. Showmanship is what gets you to an all time level. A guy like Duncan puts up great stats but he has no showmanship. It's required in the game of basketball. Basketball is entertainment.

Lebron to me, is a textbook player. He's that boring biology textbook. The all time greats were The Great Gatsby, A Tale of Two Cities, The Art of War and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

:facepalm

Basketball is a sport. The point of sport is to win. Showmanship doesn't come into it. And I hate to break it to you, but a tale of two cities is deathly dull.

[9erempiree]

:facepalm

Basketball is a sport. The point of sport is to win. Showmanship doesn't come into it. And I hate to break it to you, but a tale of two cities is deathly dull.

Basketball is entertainment. You cannot put up stats and expect to be a great player. You have to "wow" the fans.

Showmanship counts. If it didn't than MJ wouldn't be considered one of the greatest of all time next to Kobe and Kareem.

[Unbiased_one]

Basketball is entertainment. You cannot put up stats and expect to be a great player. You have to "wow" the fans.

Showmanship counts. If it didn't than MJ wouldn't be considered one of the greatest of all time next to Kobe and Kareem.

You don't get extra points for entertaining play.

MJ is in the GOAT conversation because he was one of the best players and winners ever and sustained that for nearly a decade. Not cause he pulled out great dunks.

Kobe is not in the GOAT conversation (even his most passionate stans put him 4th). He is at the very best 8th (behind Russell, wilt, bird, magic, Jordan, shaq, Duncan).

[Kews1]

No, but Kobe's a bit bland.

[Trollsmasher]

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[9erempiree]

You don't get extra points for entertaining play.

MJ is in the GOAT conversation because he was one of the best players and winners ever and sustained that for nearly a decade. Not cause he pulled out great dunks.

Kobe is not in the GOAT conversation (even his most passionate stans put him 4th). He is at the very best 8th (behind Russell, wilt, bird, magic, Jordan, shaq, Duncan).

You do get credit for entertainment value. The playoffs this year has been low and it's no surprise Kobe and the Lakers are not in it.

Duncan and Lebron, who are boring players, have brought down the ratings of the league.

You need to be exciting to get people to remember you.

[9erempiree]

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:cheers:

You just reminded me how stacked Miami is. Look at that 12 man rotation.:eek:

Take Lebron off Miami and insert Kobe. They never lose to Dallas. All those guys were once 1st and 2nd options.

[Mr Exlax]

No, he's not boring. He's good at basketball.

[Unbiased_one]

You do get credit for entertainment value. The playoffs this year has been low and it's no surprise Kobe and the Lakers are not in it.

Duncan and Lebron, who are boring players, have brought down the ratings of the league.

You need to be exciting to get people to remember you.

Ratings are down because people like watching no defense. To a casual fan, the GOAT may be based on entertainment. But to an expert, it has no bearing whatsoever on it. To me, the GOAT is the person who I would take first overall in an all-time draft.

Also, I disagree that LeBron is boring. Consistent, yes.

[Kews1]

Take Lebron off Miami and insert Kobe. They never make the finals.

Fixed

[9erempiree]

Ratings are down because people like watching no defense. To a casual fan, the GOAT may be based on entertainment. But to an expert, it has no bearing whatsoever on it. To me, the GOAT is the person who I would take first overall in an all-time draft.

Also, I disagree that LeBron is boring. Consistent, yes.

If that was the case then you would take Lebron over Jordan?

[Unbiased_one]

:cheers:

You just reminded me how stacked Miami is. Look at that 12 man rotation.:eek:

Take Lebron off Miami and insert Kobe. They never lose to Dallas. All those guys were once 1st and 2nd options.

Being a former first option means nothing. In 2004 kobe had a team with shaq, payton and Malone. That's 4 of the 20 greatest players of all time together.

[Unbiased_one]

If that was the case then you would take Lebron over Jordan?

Absolutely not. Jordan was a championship level player for a decade. LeBron's got a way to go to match him.

[9erempiree]

Being a former first option means nothing. In 2004 kobe had a team with shaq, payton and Malone. That's 4 of the 20 greatest players of all time together.

I would blame Shaq since most people here consider him the leader of those Lakers.

[KOBE143]

Yes, one of the main trait of an era-specific player.. Him and Bird are boring as ****.. Main reason why people put them as an era-specific player..

[Quickening]

In a word no.

Over last 5 years, more people have been interested in watching Lebron than Kobe.

[BoutPractice]

He's so boring that 90% of threads around here end up being about him somehow.

[Frozen1]

In some points i agree to you.

At least this year playoffs lebron is being very passive and boring, last game he didn't score a single point in the last 5 min of regulation, was just there trying to pass.

This playoffs all of his scores are on dunks, three pointers or a power drive to the basket. Last year he was much more exciting to watch, had some moves, it wasn't all this /drive to the basket/layup or dunk. This playoffs he even can't hit a midrange jumper.

This must be because Heat are a very good team, and he does not want to force things.

[Fudge]

He's an all-time great, but i do find him quite boring. It's all drive and kicks, easy layups and dunks. He gets too passive at times. Not a aesthetically pleasing jumpshot, his form is a bit weird, and doesn't have a jumper that i can call automatic. However, his playmaking/passing can be beautiful at times, as well as his transition buckets. But in a halfcourt set, meh. If he wasn't such a physical specimen, at 6'9 - 260, he wouldn't have the skills to be as great as he is today. He gets the job done though.

[leMVP]

because he isn't taking contested fadeway jumpshots the whole game, he is boring?
:biggums:

[miller-time]

If you watch for flash, go and watch highlight and AND1 videos. If you watch because you like basketball then... you're doing it wrong.

[HelterSkelter]

How is LeBron boring?

Making it look easy? So? Should we blame the player?

LeBron has no finesse like MJ and Kobe, I'll give you that.. but having finesse doesn't exactly make you entertaining.

what the hell do you want? a lay up is a lay up, a dunk is a dunk. Do you want him to dance while he's doing it?

[greymatter]

Was just musing about a South Park episode where Jimmy and Timmy wanted to create their own gang and wind up joining one instead.

Looks like some retard's God is a Crip all the way.

[Rose'sACL]

How is LeBron boring?

Making it look easy? So? Should we blame the player?

LeBron has no finesse like MJ and Kobe, I'll give you that.. but having finesse doesn't exactly make you entertaining.

what the hell do you want? a lay up is a lay up, a dunk is a dunk. Do you want him to dance while he's doing it?
well, it would be really entertaining if he danced while dunking.

[Ikill]

He's been a really boring player to watch since he came to miami

[K Xerxes]

I would blame Shaq since most people here consider him the leader of those Lakers.

2004 NBA finals:

Shaq: 27-11 on 63% shooting

Kobe: 23-3-4 on 38% shooting

Just saying.

[Fudge]

When he's streaky and just gets hot, it's beautiful to watch. Take that Cleveland game this past season where they were down 27(?) for example.

[LikeABosh]

Go whack it to Kobe highlights I guess :confusedshrug:

[Bigsmoke]

no one is putting a gun up to your head to watch all of his plays.

if he think he boring then watch something thats on TV. nobody give a **** on what u think it's "boring"

[Nash]

Lebron is a walking triple double machine on very high effiecency, playmaker and top defender yet he sucks and not a hero. Kobe only scores and is not even very effiecent at it and he's a superhero.

Just get it through your head, Lebron is better. He's bigger, faster, stronger, more efficient scorer, better playmaker, better rebounder, better stats on paper and more dominant than Kobe has ever been on the court.

[LBJ 23]

How is he boring?

He has had some of the most exciting games in the past 10 years, has done all kinds of crazy dunks, acrobatic layups and shots, fancy or bullet-like fast insane passes, hot scoring streaks(16 points in like 2min), has had some games when he was hot he was hitting 3's from almost halfcourt like he's shooting regular jumpshots.

If that's boring to you then only fapping to Kobe's videos on youtube saves you

[HEAT111]

What empire is trying to say is. Throughout the years, will he ever win one? Well, it already happened. That's why the stories aren't fun anymore. He's amazing to watch.

[kamil]

Being a former first option means nothing. In 2004 kobe had a team with shaq, payton and Malone. That's 4 of the 20 greatest players of all time together.

And they still lost :)

[miles berg]

Nothing boring about watching LeBron sprint down the court like a damn deer. He is very exciting,

[arifgokcen]

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[RRR3]

No one actually thinks lebron is boring, this board is obsessed with him. Anyon saying he's Boring is trolling or lying

[Kurosawa0]

Must be a big JR Smith fan. :lol

[diamenz]

he's not boring - he's funny when he flops.

[dannywpt]

I think he's pretty boring to be honest. I'm not a hater, he's the best basketball player in the world, but his style of play is not something that gets me very excited, no matter how well he's playing. :confusedshrug:

[DaSeba5]

No one actually thinks lebron is boring, this board is obsessed with him. Anyon saying he's Boring is trolling or lying

This

[AintNoSunshine]

:facepalm

Basketball is a sport. The point of sport is to win. Showmanship doesn't come into it. And I hate to break it to you, but a tale of two cities is deathly dull.


Like he had read it:oldlol: OP's almost illiterate

to the topic, if lebron has no showmanship I don't know what to say. just :facepalm

[chosen_wun]

No wonder the mods delete all your threads. LeBron boring...typical ISH.

[AintNoSunshine]

Must be a big JR Smith fan. :lol


He's actually a kobe stan, not that they are much different:lol

[Le Shaqtus]

No one actually thinks lebron is boring, this board is obsessed with him. Anyon saying he's Boring is trolling or lying

Not true :confusedshrug: he's the best player in the league and has been for a long time but I don't find him exciting to watch.

[tomtucker]

well he should have shown a laugh or smile last game against indiana, with that buzzer-beater, and all his teammates jumping with joy........he looked like an asshole there

[Pointguard]

The man puts up stats that doesn't seem to be organic. I'm quoting someone from another thread. His stats seem to be force or he make's it look so easy. If he's making it look so easy than he's really underachieving. Guys like Kobe, Magic and MJ were overachievers. They played the game like superheros.

That is such a gigantic contradiction... I'm surprised it can be said in the same sentence?

Boring???

Lebron is the best blend of power and speed the game has ever had and is the most versatile player the game has ever had. When they said he wasn't clutch he lead the league in fourth quarter scoring and scored his teams last 26 points against a great perimeter defensive team in the playoffs. When they said he couldn't shoot he shot 40% from three. When they said he couldn't post up, he lead the league in points in the paint. He's also one the most efficient player's ever. Is also a great decision maker on the court. Is definitely among the greatest team players to ever play the game as well.

[Soundwave]

Wade if he's actually ever healthy is most "fun" Heat player to watch, but LeBron is the best player.

[Le Shaqtus]

Wade if he's actually ever healthy is most "fun" Heat player to watch, but LeBron is the best player.

Agreed, healthy Wade is a blast to watch:applause:

[tpols]

Look at brons reaction to this playoff game winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-Y6tjiAm0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And compare it to two nights ago.. Back then he played so carefree and fluid and showed passion/hunger.

Now he seems so stressed out.. So overworked with he expectations he created. When he makes it now it isnt even exciting to him, just another weight off his chest.

[Crafty]

Look at brons reaction to this playoff game winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-Y6tjiAm0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And compare it to two nights ago.. Back then he played so carefree and fluid and showed passion/hunger.

Now he seems so stressed out.. So overworked with he expectations he created. When he makes it now it isnt even exciting to him, just another weight off his chest.
No, he knows it's just one game and there's a bigger prize down the road.

[tpols]

No, he knows it's just one game and there's a bigger prize down the road.
Both were one game.. And both were favorites for the series.

[RRR3]

Wait, I've heard LBJ get criticized for acting excited for the GW in 2009 ECF (i.e. "he was shocked it went in! it was luck!" etc.)

Now he's getting criticized for doing the exact opposite :wtf:
What the hell is LeBron supposed to do?

[tikay0]

Good point. I think I've fallen asleep at least 30x watching a Heat/Cleveland game.

[RRR3]

Good point. I think I've fallen asleep at least 30x watching a Heat/Cleveland game.
You clearly don't find LeBron boring considering how often you talk about him.

[tikay0]

You clearly don't find LeBron boring considering how often you talk about him.

Says the guy that created a thread about Lebron. Honestly, you're man love for Lebron is quite disturbing.

[RRR3]

Says the guy that created a thread about Lebron. Honestly, you're man love for Lebron is quite disturbing.
LeBron is my 2nd favorite player of all time, and the most discussed player (along with Kobe and MJ) on ISH, so obviously I'll talk about him a lot. I'm not saying you like LeBron, all I'm saying is that you are interested in him in one way or another. People don't talk about things they find boring very often.

[9erempiree]

Will be watching the game tonight and I guarantee it's going to be a lack luster performance by Lebron.

I hope I don't fall asleep like I did last time. Many know that I didn't watch the game last time and had to ask ISH what happened.

[tazb]

No.

But to you it's more entertaining to watch a player chuck up 30+ shots a game and only make around 40% of them?

[talkingconch]

Fixed
wtf are u talking about? Under what context/proof can you say Kobe will not allow that miami team to make the finals if he was on it. 5 of 7 from the finals, 5 rings. Closet Miami Fan or Jealous Boston Stan.


No.

But to you it's more entertaining to watch a player chuck up 30+ shots a game and only make around 40% of them?

it obviously must be since hes so relevant still, retard. Think before you post.

[9erempiree]

No.

But to you it's more entertaining to watch a player chuck up 30+ shots a game and only make around 40% of them?

Sorry but what made you think I am a Knicks' fan.

[Simple Jack]

Look at brons reaction to this playoff game winner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-Y6tjiAm0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And compare it to two nights ago.. Back then he played so carefree and fluid and showed passion/hunger.

Now he seems so stressed out.. So overworked with he expectations he created. When he makes it now it isnt even exciting to him, just another weight off his chest.

Look at Jordan over Ehlo vs his shots against the Jazz...It's about maturity and circumstance. I'm sure there would have been more emotion if Heat were down 1-0 and he hit a ridiculous 3 to win the game for them as opposed to an uncontested layup.

[Leftimage]

Lebron is so boring that 75% of threads on ISH relate directly to him. What does that say about ISH ?

[9erempiree]

Kobe is like Jordan.

Lebron is like Duncan.

There is nothing wrong.

[Simple Jack]

Kobe is like Jordan.

Lebron is like Duncan.

There is nothing wrong.

Yea because Duncan is routinely throwing down huge dunks, making sick passes, chase-down blocks...let's not forget the silly scoring outbursts like the game vs the Knicks and Bucks 16 pts in 2 minutes, taking 3's from stupid distances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_tSBOVNGo <-- was the 2nd silly shot in a row at that point.

[waseem780]

OP has a point here

[Trollsmasher]

Yea because Duncan is routinely throwing down huge dunks, making sick passes, chase-down blocks...let's not forget the silly scoring outbursts like the game vs the Knicks and Bucks 16 pts in 2 minutes, taking 3's from stupid distances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_tSBOVNGo <-- was the 2nd silly shot in a row at that point.
Damn, I miss this LeBron. Those heat checks where he would pull up just about anywhere from halfcourt. The only similiar he had in Miami was this season against NO.

[tmacattack33]

:biggums:






I believe that by 2010, the Cavs had the highest local tv ratings. And i think they had the second highest national tv ratings.

And I would bet that the Cavs' road games were selling out better than any team besides the Lakers.


...and I don't think any of that was because of Anderson Varejao :oldlol: .

[Fudge]

I loved watching him play when he was on Cleveland, carrying those Cav teams to wins single handedly. There was an excitement factor. Nowadays, his team is so good, you almost expect them to win every single night. So yes, i do find him quite boring to watch now.

[9erempiree]

Like I said, Lebron is very boring.

He's boring again in the first half of game 2.

:facepalm

He's protecting his 5 for 8 shooting stat by not shooting.

[Leftimage]

Like I said, Lebron is very boring.

He's boring again in the first half of game 2.

:facepalm

He's protecting his 5 for 8 shooting stat by not shooting.

There are plenty of chuckers in the league to choose from. Go look elsewhere.

[Goldrush25]

Like I said, Lebron is very boring.

He's boring again in the first half of game 2.

:facepalm

He's protecting his 5 for 8 shooting stat by not shooting.

Yet all you do all day every day is talk about him.

[9erempiree]

Yet all you do all day every day is talk about him.

Basically only thing exciting about him is how boring he is.

See what I did there.

[Sharmer]

Basketball is entertainment. You cannot put up stats and expect to be a great player. You have to "wow" the fans.

Showmanship counts. If it didn't than MJ wouldn't be considered one of the greatest of all time next to Kobe and Kareem.

Basketball maybe entertaining, however the primary objective is to win within the rules of the game.

[Bobcats2013]

I find Lebron very boring, mostly because he takes conservative to a whole new level. He's a great player, but not fun to watch.

[pauk]

http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/MyreactiontothetraileroftheUSremakeofTheInbetweene rs-43576.gif

[9erempiree]

http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/MyreactiontothetraileroftheUSremakeofTheInbetweene rs-43576.gif

I feel the same way like that guy when I watch Lebron play too.

[pauk]

I feel the same way like that guy when I watch Lebron play too.

Ofcourse you do... you are a Kobetard Lebron hating troll kiddie.... :confusedshrug:

[Sharmer]

Kobe is boring, we knew he going to chuck. With Lebron there's more variety in his game, therefore he's much more entertaining to watch.

[Goldrush25]

Basically only thing exciting about him is how boring he is.

See what I did there.

Whatever the reason, he makes you watch his boring arse.

He wins. You lose.

[Vragrant]

I'll admit I don't find Lebron to be that exciting. He is a phenomenal athlete but for some reason his gifts don't translate that well to basketball from an aesthetic standpoint (just my own personal opinion). Very little grace and fluidity, however he is very exciting on the fast break where his athletic gifts are best on display.

Its weird, overall I should like him but I don't. Watching Lebron is like watching a pretty girl with zero sex appeal.

[miller-time]

I'll admit I don't find Lebron to be that exciting. He is a phenomenal athlete but for some reason his gifts don't translate that well to basketball from an aesthetic standpoint (just my own personal opinion). Very little grace and fluidity, however he is very exciting on the fast break where his athletic gifts are best on display.

Its weird, overall I should like him but I don't. Watching Lebron is like watching a pretty girl with zero sex appeal.

In some ways he reminds me of Pierce now. Much more athletic, but sort of barrels his way to the hole or takes awkward looking shots outside. He doesn't have that grace of Jordan or the dexterous movements of Hakeem.

[SamuraiSWISH]

For me he doesn't have the most exciting aesthetics to his game that I've ever seen. Sometimes he comes off clunky, slow, and robotic. Not always very fluid and smooth.

[9erempiree]

This is why Lebron is boring.

His team needed him to shoot the ball and he caused 2 turnovers in the last two possessions. He passed it to the other team.

Shoot the freaking ball.

[RRR3]

pretty sure this game proved LeBron isn't boring. The whole website is literally talking solely about LeBron right now.

[Vragrant]

In some ways he reminds me of Pierce now. Much more athletic, but sort of barrels his way to the hole or takes awkward looking shots outside. He doesn't have that grace of Jordan or the dexterous movements of Hakeem.

Yes, there is some similarities there on the drive, however Pierces' midrange game in terms of fundamentals is nearly flawless.

Lebron The Hulk of perimeter players. There is no subtlety or nuance to his point of attack. He just hammers you into submission with brute force, physicality and unyielding stamina. The good thing for him is that it works 90% of the time (or the game :D )

[I<3NBA]

Lebron makes Kobetards come alive. so he isn't boring. when you can make ISH crash, how can you be boring?

[tikay0]

For me he doesn't have the most exciting aesthetics to his game that I've ever seen. Sometimes he comes off clunky, slow, and robotic. Not always very fluid and smooth.

Sometimes? You mean on 90% of his possessions.

[9erempiree]

Lebron makes Kobetards come alive. so he isn't boring. when you can make ISH crash, how can you be boring?

You guys obviously didn't read the thread.

His game is boring.

[I<3NBA]

You guys obviously didn't read the thread.

His game is boring.yet you keep watching him. obviously, you're a f@gg0t

[9erempiree]

yet you keep watching him. obviously, you're a f@gg0t

I watch because of Paul George. He reminds me of the most exciting player in the NBA and George wears his number too.