Why isn't Paul George > Tracy Mcgrady yet according to some posters?

[tgan3]

Paul George led a team to the eastern conference finals and playing well vs the Miami Heat which is suppossedly the most stacked team in recent history.

Vs

Tmac who never led his team past first round. Only had the 13 points in 35 seconds miracle.

Of course Tmac was undisputedly the much better scorer but George is the defensive version of Tmac with actual playoff success!

[Cali Syndicate]

As far as a player goes, T-mac was on the level of prime Wade.

Paul George is where exactly again?

[wagexslave]

T-Mac still plays in the NBA?

[FireDavidKahn]

As far as a player goes, T-mac was on the level of prime Wade.

Paul George is where exactly again?
Prime Wade won a championship, T-mac never did.:oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

Paul George has become the most overrated player in the history of ISH.

And that's not an easy thing to do.

[Cali Syndicate]

Prime Wade won a championship, T-mac never did.:oldlol:

09 and 10 Wade had as much support as Tmac did while in Orlando. Similar results.

[Pursuer]

Paul George has become the most overrated player in the history of ISH.

And that's not an easy thing to do.

Pretty much overnight.

[waseem780]

what's more impressive/harder to do beating the Atlanta Hawks and New York Knicks while averaginG 17 ppg for the season with a great supporting cast.. Or average 32 ppg for the season with a mediocre supporting cast?

[stephanieg]

If you replaced PG with prime T-Mac the second round would've been Atlanta/Knicks.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Paul George led a team to the eastern conference finals and playing well vs the Miami Heat which is suppossedly the most stacked team in recent history.

Vs

Tmac who never led his team past first round. Only had the 13 points in 35 seconds miracle.

Of course Tmac was undisputedly the much better scorer but George is the defensive version of Tmac with actual playoff success!

I think people put more value in McGrady cause he was such a smooth scorer. I's too early to judge but IMO George has potential to get better. Whether he becomes better than T-MAC remains to be seen.

People tend to forget George shot 41% this year :wtf:

[tikay0]

Stop it. You know damn well PG ain't no T-Mac.

[theBIGjabroni]

Paul George has become the most overrated player in the history of ISH.

And that's not an easy thing to do.
still mad :roll: knicks will never win.

[stephanieg]

Stop it. You know damn well PG ain't no T-Mac.

Yeah, he's already been out of the 1st round and he doesn't have a gypsy curse on him.

[Nero Tulip]

Damn that was fast.

[Ken_Masters]

Prime T-Mac is one of the best players i've ever seen. Nobody would put Paul George on that type of level yet.

[L.Kizzle]

Doesn't George average like 17 ppg? Mac was doin that his last season in Toronto ...

[HardwoodLegend]

This player has gotten out of the 1st round.

That player hasn't.

:facepalm

It's pathetic how T-Mac's abilities as a player have been reduced in that way with little to no analysis of contributing factors.

The whole "curse" aspect is overblown since he only had one legitimate shot at advancing. It's not like he choked away every chance he got. He barely got any chances.

[Heavincent]

Paul George has become the most overrated player in the history of ISH.


This dude still salty that Paul George and the Pacers put a whooping on the Knicks.

[RRR3]

T-Mac was incredible. Give him a break for once Jesus.

[hateraid]

Well technically the OP correct

Current Paul George > current Tracy McGrady

[noob cake]

George is slightly overrated right now.

Prime TMac is an all-time great. Bump this thread when Goerge can touch these playoff averages.

PPG/RPG/APG
33.8/6.5/8.3
30.8/6.3/5.5
31.7/6.7/4.7
30.7/7.4/6.7
25.3/5.9/7.3
27.0/8.2/6.8

[ShaqAttack3234]

Nobody puts Paul George on prime T-Mac's level because anyone who watched them play can see the difference.

George is an impressive player and Indiana is making a nice run, but if you look at some of T-Mac's teams in his prime, not only did he not have a player close to as good as West or Hibbert on those Orlando teams, but he didn't have a player as good as George Hill either. Not to mention, he was playing on a poor defensive team rather than the best in the league(I realize George is the better defender, but not by enough to make a bad defensive team best in the league) and a team that was regularly outrebounded, while George's team outrebounds opponents by 5 rpg.

Pretty obvious that it'd be stupid to compare team success considering the situations, and it's not even necessary when anyone with eyes could see who the better player was.

[kNicKz]

T-Mac had horrible luck. Yao would always fall apart right before the playoffs or T-Mac himself would get hurt. And those magic teams....were awful lol

[Jacks3]

George is slightly overrated right now.

Prime TMac is an all-time great. Bump this thread when Goerge can touch these playoff averages.

PPG/RPG/APG
33.8/6.5/8.3
30.8/6.3/5.5
31.7/6.7/4.7
30.7/7.4/6.7
25.3/5.9/7.3
27.0/8.2/6.8
Incredible numbers. :bowdown:

[Twiens]

Tmac had some of the worst supporting casts ever in Orlando

[All Net]

George still has ways to go to get to that level.

[tikay0]

George is slightly overrated right now.

Prime TMac is an all-time great. Bump this thread when Goerge can touch these playoff averages.

PPG/RPG/APG
33.8/6.5/8.3
30.8/6.3/5.5
31.7/6.7/4.7
30.7/7.4/6.7
25.3/5.9/7.3
27.0/8.2/6.8

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[noob cake]

Tmac had everything: the prime, accolades, fans, stats and marketability.

He just never got a ring due to team, injury, and luck. If Tmac had gotten a single ring, he would securely be in the top 15 discussion.

[game3524]

Laughable comparison.

You put 2003 McGrady on the Pacers, that team might actually be favored to win the entire thing.

[kurple]

prime tmac > melo > current george

[tikay0]

Laughable comparison.

You put 2003 McGrady on the Pacers, that team WOULD be favored to win the entire thing.

/THREAD. Fixed it for ya.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Love how people always reduce a comparison between players to one thing. It's either rings or playoff success. It's like people forget that basketball is played with a team of 5. It doesn't take long to see that George didn't have a great regular season, or even playoffs until this round. But whatever these discuss never get anywhere anyway.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Hes already better than T-Mac ever was, no one gave a shit about T-Mac so you dont see threads like this. Same reason why people dont talk about overrated craps like Marbury and Arenas.
:no:

[HardwoodLegend]

T-Mac was right there with Kobe.

Watch their head-to-head match-ups 2000-2003 and you'll see almost mirror images dueling it out.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Hes already better than T-Mac ever was, no one gave a shit about T-Mac so you dont see threads like this. Same reason why people dont talk about overrated craps like Marbury and Arenas.
:no:What the hell are you talking about? In 03 T-mac vs. Kobe was talked about all the time.

[jimmy77x]

Hes already better than T-Mac ever was, no one gave a shit about T-Mac so you dont see threads like this. Same reason why people dont talk about overrated craps like Marbury and Arenas.
:no:

You are on crack, wake me up when he can single handedly carry a team averaging 32/6/5 on 45%.

[RRR3]

T-Mac has to have the worst luck ever among NBA superstars.

[RRR3]

You are on crack, wake me up when he can single handedly carry a team averaging 32/6/5 on 45%.
Twice Paul George's scoring on more efficiency :biggums:


"B-b-b-b-but defense!"


It's funny how people cite Melo's inefficiency in regards to Paul George, who is less efficient and shoots a much lower volume of shots :biggums:
Maybe if LeBron keeps leaving him wide open, he'll have a good series and he'll be the GOAT on ISH!

[noob cake]

Hes already better than T-Mac ever was, no one gave a shit about T-Mac so you dont see threads like this. Same reason why people dont talk about overrated craps like Marbury and Arenas.
:no:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOe4R1qz9k

Prime Tmac is someone Prime Kobe can't even touch. Too bad Tmac's prime didn't last that long.

[Sarcastic]

Paul George isn't even better than Dominique Wilkins. He's not even the best player on his team.

[wakencdukest]

George has more heart than Mcgrady, but that's about it.

[Sharmer]

A thread for the idiots.

[Noob Saibot]

maybe because George is playing for a quality team, while TMac played with much less talent. even in Houston, TMac only had what, Yao Ming, old Dikembe Mutombo? George is not Orlando McGrady, but I can tell he's more than willing to share the limelight with his teammates.

[kNicKz]

George has more heart than Mcgrady

:biggums:

[ace23]

Paul George led a team to the eastern conference finals and playing well vs the Miami Heat which is suppossedly the most stacked team in recent history.

Vs

Tmac who never led his team past first round. Only had the 13 points in 35 seconds miracle.

Of course Tmac was undisputedly the much better scorer but George is the defensive version of Tmac with actual playoff success!
10/10

[HardwoodLegend]

George has more heart than Mcgrady, but that's about it.

There were definitely moments when he threw in the towel, but I think T-Mac's heart is one of his most underrated qualities. The problem was he turned switch OFF too often.

But, when it was ON you get 13 in 35, the numerous playoff game explosions and him breaking down in tears on the bench and in a post-game press conference.

George's heart may beat McGrady's in terms of consistent reliability but not singular intensity.

[HarryCallahan]

LeBron only passed T-Mac a year or two ago. PGeorge might end up better, but Prime T-Mac>>>>>>>>>>Current Paul George.

+OP is a fakkit.

[brantonli]

:bowdown: Tracy McGrady is 1 win away from the NBA finals

[HardwoodLegend]

LeBron only passed T-Mac a year or two ago. PGeorge might end up better, but Prime T-Mac>>>>>>>>>>Current Paul George.

+OP is a fakkit.

LeBron passed T-Mac in 2008.

His 2nd 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive, 1 scoring title, and high statistical production with 46 playoff games under his belt (27.5 PPG on 43.4 FG%, 8.0 RPG and 7.3 APG)

[tgan3]

George is slightly overrated right now.

Prime TMac is an all-time great. Bump this thread when Goerge can touch these playoff averages.

PPG/RPG/APG
33.8/6.5/8.3
30.8/6.3/5.5
31.7/6.7/4.7
30.7/7.4/6.7
25.3/5.9/7.3
27.0/8.2/6.8

Would you want a player to score 30 ++ points but lose or score 17 ++ points, play hard on defense and go deep in the playoffs?

Compare this to Mcgrady who never got pass the first round?

Also Paul George is still young, He could easily avg 20++ points in his prime with his superb defense something Mcgrady doesn't have.

didn't you see the dunk on Birdman? That was mcgrady-esque. Like Mcgrady's dunk on bradley :applause:

[tgan3]

maybe because George is playing for a quality team, while TMac played with much less talent. even in Houston, TMac only had what, Yao Ming, old Dikembe Mutombo? George is not Orlando McGrady, but I can tell he's more than willing to share the limelight with his teammates.

LMAO. i dont understand ISHers :facepalm . Iverson also averaged those Mcgrady-like numbers and actually lead a team of scrubs to the NBA finals vs Prime Shaq and Kobe but his heavily criticized as a bad player.

vs Mcgrady who had never got pass the first round (On his own) and is treated like a god (Someone said he was better than Kobe)

[lucky001]

Prime tmac would be the second best player in the L. Only durant would be close/arguable. I think that would be enough to make the pacers favored over the heat. Would be awesome to see bron/tmac go head to head. Bron would have the edge in consistency, but tmac's hot streaks were incredible.

[Bigsmoke]

i'm not really the biggest Tmac fan but i can see this Pacers team winning the championship with 2003 Tmac playing Paul George's role if Wade continues to stuggle with his knee.

[brantonli]

It didn't help that when McGrady had his best team, he was in a ridiculously tough Western Conference, and the Rockets team matched up very badly with the Jazz. In fact, that Jazz team with Deron, Boozer, Okur, AK47 (back when those two were pretty good) and Sloan probably would've nabbed the 2nd seed in the Eastern Conference today. Oh and Yao couldn't guard Okur or Boozer to save his life, so that ruined it pretty well too.

[HardwoodLegend]

LMAO. i dont understand ISHers :facepalm . Iverson also averaged those Mcgrady-like numbers and actually lead a team of scrubs to the NBA finals vs Prime Shaq and Kobe but his heavily criticized as a bad player.

vs Mcgrady who had never got pass the first round (On his own) and is treated like a god (Someone said he was better than Kobe)

Why do you think Iverson was able to make the Finals averaging those kinds of numbers? Was it he himself doing anything differently or the team around him?

One set of scrubs could be better than another. AI's scrub cast buckled down and played tough D.

[jimmy77x]

BSPN segment today "paul george vs Lebron"... outrageous:facepalm , nba at it again trying to manufacture superstars.

[Dro]

I hate threads like this..PG is already getting a ton of hate from many on this board and he actually hasn't done anything to deserve it other than play great defense, be a pretty good all around player and dedicate himself to getting better every year, something you cannot say for a lot of players. He has a good attitude, is a great teammate, and is good in the community. He hasn't disrespected anybody on a court and doesn't act like an asshole but because he only shot 41%, people ignore everything else he does and hate on him, thats how I see it. But he's nowhere near T-Mac at this point so this thread will just cause him to receive more hate...

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron only passed T-Mac a year or two ago.
LeBron is a wet pusse, but are you serious? Guy is mentally a beast in comparison to McGrady.

LeBron firmly surpassed McGrady by his 4th season in the league, 2008. By 2009 regular season it's literally no contest.

This is well before the multiple MVPs, Conference Finals, or even cowardly tag-team w/ Wade Championships.

C'mon Dirty Harry. Use your brains.

[Mr Exlax]

I hate threads like this..PG is already getting a ton of hate from many on this board and he actually hasn't done anything to deserve it other than play great defense, be a pretty good all around player and dedicate himself to getting better every year, something you cannot say for a lot of players. He has a good attitude, is a great teammate, and is good in the community. He hasn't disrespected anybody on a court and doesn't act like an asshole but because he only shot 41%, people ignore everything else he does and hate on him, thats how I see it. But he's nowhere near T-Mac at this point so this thread will just cause him to receive more hate...

Hey remember last season when I said he wasn't getting too much hate and that you and I are just more sensitive to it? I take it all back and you were 100% correct my man. Good lord you were right.

[HurricaneKid]

Tracy McGrady led the NBA in PER.

Paul George 3rd on his team in his best ever season.

GTFO. NOW.



TMac should have been teamed up with one of the best 10 players in the NBA. The only problem was that Grant Hill's injuries decimated the team. You just can't remove a max player from a team and expect them to go deep into the playoffs.

[Dro]

Hey remember last season when I said he wasn't getting too much hate and that you and I are just more sensitive to it? I take it all back and you were 100% correct my man. Good lord you were right.
Yeah, I remember that unfortunately...I wished it weren't true..:lol

[Mr Exlax]

Yeah, I remember that unfortunately...I wished it weren't true..:lol

Let them tell it PG flat out sucks. Why on earth would anybody compare PG to Tmac right now is beyond me. Then the crap going against LBJ. I mean, what player is not gonna struggle against that guy? He does sooooooo much more than score points. It takes a fan of basketball to fully grasp that it's more to the game than just that though. He's gonna be great one day.

[Flash31]

Paul George led a team to the eastern conference finals and playing well vs the Miami Heat which is suppossedly the most stacked team in recent history.

Vs

Tmac who never led his team past first round. Only had the 13 points in 35 seconds miracle.

Of course Tmac was undisputedly the much better scorer but George is the defensive version of Tmac with actual playoff success!


Really?
This CANT be a serious question.
Anybody that ranks or says PG is better than McGrady or even close to him doesnt know a damn thing about the NBA or Basketball.

And really youre going to say PG was the reason they got to CF,and not Roy Hibbert,come on.

PG has done NOTHING yet.Hes had a good showing these playoffs,but rs,career span nothing.
Everybody wants to overrate rookies or people who have one good showing.
The current events get overrated while the past is overlooked ,case in pt Dirk at 2011,LeBron and 2011 Finals,Wades whole career getting overlooked,

People have a What have you done for me lately mindset,and whatevers fresh in their minds is wht stick and gets blown up.
Even then pG hasnt even come close to T-MAC.
And equating team success to individual talent,com on.

Karl Malone was better than Dirk.Wilt Chamberlain was better than Bill Russell.Stockton is better than Tony Parker.
Team Success plays a part in ranks,but when its nowhere close individually,come on.
Its like saying Ibaka is better thAn Carmelo bc he got to the Finals,come on.

[alexd]

LMAO. i dont understand ISHers :facepalm . Iverson also averaged those Mcgrady-like numbers and actually lead a team of scrubs to the NBA finals vs Prime Shaq and Kobe but his heavily criticized as a bad player.

vs Mcgrady who had never got pass the first round (On his own) and is treated like a god (Someone said he was better than Kobe)
Iverson had a team that suited him.Don t compare Philly to Orlando.And when TMAC when to Houston he had to play against Spurs,Lakers,Utah etc which wasn t an easy task
I still can t believe how dafaq they lost to Utah though :(
George is getting waaaay overrated if you seriously think he s on the same lvl as Mcgrady.He may touch that level one day(offensively no way but as a player perhaps)but no way he s on that level
Playoffs its all about matchups.Not which team is better overall and Tmac had bad matchups and was leading a team that him or Yao were always injured and had Alston as a starting pg :facepalm
Tmac was perhaps the greatest talent in the last 15 years along with Lebron.Not player but talent

[secund2nun]

Paul George is so overrated. Hibbert was easily the best player for Indy not PG.

[scm5]

Prime Tmac elevated his play in the playoffs. He should not fully shoulder the blame for not making it past the first round during that time.

[scm5]

Paul George is so overrated. Hibbert was easily the best player for Indy not PG.

Indy was like a lesser version of the Billups/Rip/Prince/Sheed/Wallace Pistons. Solid players all around with great defense.

[Dro]

Doesn't matter, according to ish, Hibbert and PG are both overrated pieces of sh*t....even though both have improved every year, both have great work ethics, both are great team players, both are great in the community, both do much more than they are given credit for, especially Hibbert. He's a pretty skilled dude, he can pass and shoot out to 15 feet, good free throw shooter, good with either hand, hits his hook shots a higher clip than his shots at the rim. PG is a good rebounder, becoming a better passer, is a good shooter. Most people are just sheep...Probably half the people calling them overrated, I bet haven't even seen half of their games. They just jump on the ish bandwagon, just like all the Lebron hate even though he's easily the best player in the world....

Somebody thats overrated? CARMELO ANTHONY. The guy doesn't nothing but shoot and doesn't even shoot it with good efficiency and has not gotten better at ALL in years. He's been the same player since he was in Denver. Doesn't have as much impact on his team's success as he should. Hell, he was more of an all around player in college. And I don't even hate the guy but he's the definition of overrated.

[Mr Exlax]

Doesn't matter, according to ish, Hibbert and PG are both overrated pieces of sh*t....even though both have improved every year, both have great work ethics, both are great team players, both are great in the community, both do much more than they are given credit for, especially Hibbert. He's a pretty skilled dude, he can pass and shoot out to 15 feet, good free throw shooter, good with either hand, hits his hook shots a higher clip than his shots at the rim. PG is a good rebounder, becoming a better passer, is a good shooter. Most people are just sheep...Probably half the people calling them overrated, I bet haven't even seen half of their games. They just jump on the ish bandwagon, just like all the Lebron hate even though he's easily the best player in the world....

Somebody thats overrated? CARMELO ANTHONY. The guy doesn't nothing but shoot and doesn't even shoot it with good efficiency and has not gotten better at ALL in years. He's been the same player since he was in Denver. Doesn't have as much impact on his team's success as he should. Hell, he was more of an all around player in college. And I don't even hate the guy but he's the definition of overrated.


You nailed it bro. :bowdown:

[TheReal Kendall]

Doesn't matter, according to ish, Hibbert and PG are both overrated pieces of sh*t....even though both have improved every year, both have great work ethics, both are great team players, both are great in the community, both do much more than they are given credit for, especially Hibbert. He's a pretty skilled dude, he can pass and shoot out to 15 feet, good free throw shooter, good with either hand, hits his hook shots a higher clip than his shots at the rim. PG is a good rebounder, becoming a better passer, is a good shooter. Most people are just sheep...Probably half the people calling them overrated, I bet haven't even seen half of their games. They just jump on the ish bandwagon, just like all the Lebron hate even though he's easily the best player in the world....

Somebody thats overrated? CARMELO ANTHONY. The guy doesn't nothing but shoot and doesn't even shoot it with good efficiency and has not gotten better at ALL in years. He's been the same player since he was in Denver. Doesn't have as much impact on his team's success as he should. Hell, he was more of an all around player in college. And I don't even hate the guy but he's the definition of overrated.

:applause:

I'll give you props for this even though you talked about Melo but it was spot on.

[Dro]

:applause:

I'll give you props for this even though you talked about Melo but it was spot on.
Thx bro and don't get me wrong. I do enjoy watching Melo play. I really do. But it irks me that he is not more of a team player because I know he has the potential to be like he showed at Syracuse. And I know he has the potential to be a better defender, but he'd rather use all his energy on offense. Thats what irks me about him. Then people want to act like somebody shot the president when you say he's not top whatever. There are not a lot of one dimensional players who are top anything. Even Durant has improved as a player in the time he's been in the league. He's improved his ball handling and his defense and his ability to take it strong to the basket and finish. Its like, what has Melo improved upon that he was not already good at?

I hear people like Dr. Ice shit on Hibbert in any thread his name is brought up in like he has something personal against the guy and it gets annoying. Neither of these players have the bad attitudes that warrant some of the harsh words that are said about them. If people want to dissect their games and explain why they think they may be overrated, thats fine. But the way people have been talking about these 2 lately, you would think they were biggest a-holes in the NBA.

[spacebump]

Paul George led a team to the eastern conference finals and playing well vs the Miami Heat which is suppossedly the most stacked team in recent history.

Vs

Tmac who never led his team past first round. Only had the 13 points in 35 seconds miracle.

Of course Tmac was undisputedly the much better scorer but George is the defensive version of Tmac with actual playoff success!

It's a team game.
TMac was insanely good before his career was derailed.

[NumberSix]

Yeah, he's already been out of the 1st round and he doesn't have a gypsy curse on him.
Dat racism.

[alexd]

Doesn't matter, according to ish, Hibbert and PG are both overrated pieces of sh*t....even though both have improved every year, both have great work ethics, both are great team players, both are great in the community, both do much more than they are given credit for, especially Hibbert. He's a pretty skilled dude, he can pass and shoot out to 15 feet, good free throw shooter, good with either hand, hits his hook shots a higher clip than his shots at the rim. PG is a good rebounder, becoming a better passer, is a good shooter. Most people are just sheep...Probably half the people calling them overrated, I bet haven't even seen half of their games. They just jump on the ish bandwagon, just like all the Lebron hate even though he's easily the best player in the world....

Somebody thats overrated? CARMELO ANTHONY. The guy doesn't nothing but shoot and doesn't even shoot it with good efficiency and has not gotten better at ALL in years. He's been the same player since he was in Denver. Doesn't have as much impact on his team's success as he should. Hell, he was more of an all around player in college. And I don't even hate the guy but he's the definition of overrated.
If you say that George right now is at the level of prime Tmac then yeah he s overrated.He s young and has the potenional to reach that status but not yet.He has a good work ethic,athletic,good defender and above all willing to defend
BUT you can t say that he s a superstar.At least not yet.
Right now for me he s an allstar level.He needs to become more consistent with his game and grow as a player
Is he
as good/important as Lebron?no
as good/important as durant?no
as good/important as cp3?no
But he can get there
Carmelo i agree he s overrated.He s one of my favorite players.People tend to overrate him because he can score in many and different ways and he has an amazing shot release.His whole game is pleasing to the eye and most people tend to see and remember only the offense.He s a very good player but not a great one.For me Carmelo needs another superstar ala Lebron or Shaq.Dominate guy that let him play iso.When he plays with USA he s incredible because all he has to do is catch and shoot and he s deadly with that

[Dro]

If you say that George right now is at the level of prime Tmac then yeah he s overrated.He s young and has the potenional to reach that status but not yet.He has a good work ethic,athletic,good defender and above all willing to defend
BUT you can t say that he s a superstar.At least not yet.
Right now for me he s an allstar level.He needs to become more consistent with his game and grow as a player
Is he
as good/important as Lebron?no
as good/important as durant?no
as good/important as cp3?no
But he can get there
Carmelo i agree he s overrated.He s one of my favorite players.People tend to overrate him because he can score in many and different ways and he has an amazing shot release.His whole game is pleasing to the eye and most people tend to see and remember only the offense.He s a very good player but not a great one.For me Carmelo needs another superstar ala Lebron or Shaq.Dominate guy that let him play iso.When he plays with USA he s incredible because all he has to do is catch and shoot and he s deadly with that
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I'm just speaking on all the really negative stuff I've seen posted about PG and Hibbert. It just seems uncalled for.