Paul George is exposing Lebron vastly overrated defense

[I.R.Beast]

Mr. guard all 5 positions is being exposed for what he really is, a "roamer" that plays passing lanes and try to get chse down blocks his on ball defense is not very good and never has been.

[9erempiree]

We have all known this. It's no surprise here. People like to praise him but he can't cover all 5 positions.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I thought he had already been exposed in the Finals with Marion calling him his bitch and Durant averaging 31 ppg on 55%. :confusedshrug:

[konex]

George is getting by him way too easily in crunchtime. I thought he didn't want to foul in game 1 but now I think it's fatigue

[Rose'sACL]

so why is everyone calling PG a great defender when lebron scored 30 or more points in both games?
This is hilarious,everyone has some lapses in defense but according to you paul george is just a shitty player who scored only because lebron let him.
If there are any pacers fans on this site, they should be offended.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

This is clear trolling, LeBron is above average at worst as a defender. Given that you claim to be a Celtics fan, I'd have thought you'd notice the way he locks down Pierce.

[FreezingTsmoove]

I thought he had already been exposed in the Finals with Marion calling him his bitch and Durant averaging 31 ppg on 55%. :confusedshrug:

Lebron didn't even guard Durant that series

[tpols]

so why is everyone calling PG a great defender when lebron scored 30 or more points in both games?
This is hilarious,everyone has some lapses in defense but according to you paul george is just a shitty player who scored only because lebron let him.
If there are any pacers fans on this site, they should be offended.
LeBron is a legendary offensive player.. George isn't close to his level offensively.

[tpols]

This is clear trolling, LeBron is above average at worst as a defender. Given that you claim to be a Celtics fan, I'd have thought you'd notice the way he locks down Pierce.
Old slow ass pierce honestly is a great matchup for Bron. Pierce tries to use his body and footwork to beat you but he's smaller and weaker than him. George has some speed.

[PickernRoller]

This is clear trolling, LeBron is above average at worst as a defender. Given that you claim to be a Celtics fan, I'd have thought you'd notice the way he locks down Pierce.

Umm kinda...he doesn't lock him. Heats team defense overall locks him. LBJ in front of him makes Pierce question his decisions + he is not young anymore(speed).

LBJ is a great help defender. Never been a master of lockdown defense we all know that. As for the "cover all 5" positions that's a myth. He's still a great defender but that is that - he ain't DPOY caliber by any stretch - never period.

[Carbine]

He scores 22 points (probably half of them while LeBron was defending him) and all of a sudden LeBron is overrated?

[AintNoSunshine]

I will give him a pass, playing 46 minutes against this pacers team. Having to spend the kind of energy on offense, no way a human can still play lock down D

[I.R.Beast]

so why is everyone calling PG a great defender when lebron scored 30 or more points in both games?
This is hilarious,everyone has some lapses in defense but according to you paul george is just a shitty player who scored only because lebron let him.
If there are any pacers fans on this site, they should be offended.
lebron gets a screen on nearly every play to get paul george off of him...watch the games

[imdaman99]

lebron get's screen on nearly every play to get paul george off of him...watch the games
thats usually how lebron scores. its not as if he can just drive around ppl. knicks did a lot better job on paul george than everyones dpoy is doing on him this series.

[I.R.Beast]

This is clear trolling, LeBron is above average at worst as a defender. Given that you claim to be a Celtics fan, I'd have thought you'd notice the way he locks down Pierce.
the heat double and trap more than any team in the league...Pierce is older and slower and s on his last legs...

[Rose'sACL]

the heat double and trap more than any team in the league...Pierce is older and slower and s on his last legs...
and that is because lebron is the best help defender in the league. What is so hard to understand? he can follow any type of player on the court. those 24 sec violations when he was defending George didn't happen because George forgot how to read numbers.
after he fouled out against boston in last year's playoffs, he stopped trying to reach in to defend. I think heat coaching staff told him to try to defend as much as he can without fouling. The fact that he is one of the best defenders in the league without trying to foul is a great achievement.
Just imagine if he played in the era of hand-checking and better pace of the game.

[Nebraskanball]

He's the most overrated defender in the history of the game.
I'm glad to see i'm not the only one that notices him getting burned in one on one situations a handful of times...in every game.

[Frozen1]

I`m not getting crazy, but last night Paul George couldn`t do anything with Wade on him.

Wade defended him much better than lebron.

[aburre21]

I`m not getting crazy, but last night Paul George couldn`t do anything with Wade on him.

Wade defended him much better than lebron.
agreed. Wade doesn't give Paul George space and crowds him. LeBron plays off of him and allows him to use his quickness. Bron looked flat footed and slow on multiple occasions last night, it was embarrassing





Wade's defense was brilliant :applause:

[bence23]

He's the most overrated defender in the history of the game.
I'm glad to see i'm not the only one that notices him getting burned in one on one situations a handful of times...in every game.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/files/2013/04/kobebryant11.jpg

[ClutchOver9000]

thats usually how lebron scores. its not as if he can just drive around ppl. knicks did a lot better job on paul george than everyones dpoy is doing on him this series.

tbh I'm pretty surprised. Shump locked George up in our series... (well if not locked up at least made him pretty ineffective) whereas he's been beasting on the Heat...

[Kingwillball]

tbh I'm pretty surprised. Shump locked George up in our series... (well if not locked up at least made him pretty ineffective) whereas he's been beasting on the Heat...


HOw did Pacers win series than if George was locked Up ?

[ClutchOver9000]

HOw did Pacers win series than if George was locked Up ?

Team rebounding + Hibbertsanity

[ProfessorMurder]

LeBron can't guard real 1s, 4s, or 5s. He was so scared of guarding David West.

[arifgokcen]

Sorry correct me if i am wrong but didnt lebron defend lance and west more than he defended PG ?

[imnew09]

I will give him a pass, playing 46 minutes against this pacers team. Having to spend the kind of energy on offense, no way a human can still play lock down D

and people btch about Kobe's D when Kobe played full game almost every night...

[daprunus]

Sorry correct me if i am wrong but didnt lebron defend lance and west more than he defended PG ?

You are right. Lebron has only defended George late in the 3rd when Wade is in the bench.

It's hillarious that everybody is arguing and don't even noticed that Miami's defensive matchups are James-Stephenson and Wade-George.

Even as you say probably Lebron (when Miami goes small) has defended more time West than George.

[Trollsmasher]

I love how you people just look at the boxscore, see that they play the same position and then you make your conclusion from that instead of watching an actual game:facepalm

[lebeast666]

So you guys just judge his defense from that one play? He had other great one on one defense in that game also. I dont blame him if his defense aint that great sometimes, hes got too much other shit to do for this stacked Heat. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I love how you people just look at the boxscore, see that they play the same position and then you make your conclusion from that instead of watching an actual game:facepalm


Who was guarding George when he walked into the lane and banged out on Birdman?

[All Net]

Instead of bashing Lebron people give credit to George?

[RRR3]

LBJ has been subpar on d on PG. looks kind of lazy idk what he's doing leaving him open the way he is

[AirFederer]

It was a great move by PG :confusedshrug: :bowdown:

[Trollsmasher]

Who was guarding George when he walked into the lane and banged out on Birdman?
So we are judging by one play?

[tmacattack33]

Miami went small in crunch time and Lebron was guarding David west, so I don't know what the f the op is talking about.

And Lebron did a good job on west who was pretty much owning Harlem or Chris Anderson and whoever else Miami threw at him. So no, lebrons versatility on d is not overrated. D west is a pretty good offensive big man

[jdm_dc_fan]

Couldn't guard Jeff Green either. How much did Green score 43? on 67% overall. Lebron has trouble with long athletic forwards with ball handles that can shoot the 3, mid ranger and can finish strong. I remember James switching battier on screens to end up off of Green. :roll:

Pretty much the closest type of player to himself is what he has trouble with. Even though the next closest players aren't on his level.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Instead of bashing Lebron people give credit to George?

Have you not read 25% of the threads after the first two games?

This is the other perspective.

[TheFan]

Couldn't guard Jeff Green either. How much did Green score 43? on 67% overall. Lebron has trouble with long athletic forwards with ball handles that can shoot the 3, mid ranger and can finish strong. I remember James switching battier on screens to end up off of Green. :roll:


Those players are hard to guard when they are on fire.

[Trollsmasher]

Couldn't guard Jeff Green either. How much did Green score 43? on 67% overall. Lebron has trouble with long athletic forwards with ball handles that can shoot the 3, mid ranger and can finish strong. I remember James switching battier on screens to end up off of Green. :roll:

Pretty much the closest type of player to himself is what he has trouble with. Even though the next closest players aren't on his level.
He did not guard green.

[veilside23]

He did not guard green.


because he knows he cant :P

[Trollsmasher]

because he knows he cant :P
No, because his defensive assignement had been Pierce, from the start of the game.

[game3524]

Yeah, Lebron has never been a great on-ball defender. As a help defender, along with his versatility, he is one of the best I have ever seen. But guys with a little speed tend to give him problems.

[game3524]

Yeah, Lebron has never been a great on-ball defender. As a help defender, along with his versatility, he is one of the best I have ever seen. But guys with a little speed tend to give him problems.

[veilside23]

Yeah, Lebron has never been a great on-ball defender. As a help defender, along with his versatility, he is one of the best I have ever seen. But guys with a little speed tend to give him problems.


this ... people actually praised lebron VS the celtics when he scored 45 but the old paul pierce got 41 over lebron... pierce is not speedy enough...

[Trollsmasher]

this ... people actually praised lebron VS the celtics when he scored 45 but the old paul pierce got 41 over lebron... pierce is not speedy enough...
Isn't Pierce's playoff average against LeBron something like 18 ppg on sub 40% shooting?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron has trouble with long athletic forwards with ball handles that can shoot the 3, mid ranger and can finish strong.
He'd have trouble then with Grant Hill pre 2000. Dude was long, had handle, great crossover, and a faster first step than LeBron has ever had. It would be interesting.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

the heat double and trap more than any team in the league...Pierce is older and slower and s on his last legs...

It's been true for years, although Pierce has always been a slower player. But very few other defenders can lock up Pierce, so how does that make him a bad defender?

[game3524]

He'd have trouble then with Grant Hill pre 2000. Dude was long, had handle, great crossover, and a faster first step than LeBron has ever had. It would be interesting.

Prime McGrady as well.

[tmacattack33]

Isn't Pierce's playoff average against LeBron something like 18 ppg on sub 40% shooting?

Yes, maybe even below that.

He's owned Pierce in the playoffs.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Prime McGrady as well.
True, he never saw the best of McGrady, either. T-Mac's last pretty good year was 2005, and that was LeBron's second season. He quickly deteriorated after that due to his back issues. If he struggles with the Jeff Greens, Paul Georges of the world ... I wonder how he'd fair trying to guard Hill or T-Mac.

[game3524]

True, he never saw the best of McGrady, either. T-Mac's last pretty good year was 2005, and that was LeBron's second season. He quickly deteriorated after that due to his back issues. If he struggles with the Jeff Greens, Paul Georges of the world ... I wonder how he'd fair trying to guard Hill or T-Mac.

Yeah, T-Mac would have been Paul George on steroids. People really forget how quick his first step was in his prime, he would be getting by Lebron as if he wasn't there.

[I.R.Beast]

even his help defense is overrated...he dont even average a damn block....i mean who can't help out on someones man to trap them?...it's mostly about rotations..Coach SPO has had miami playing that style of D before lebron came there...You can count the meaningful defensive plays he makes a game...and it's not very many... I mean i watch his defense as closely as i can to find this "greatness" people talk about and i'm like "..uhhhh"..."i'm waiting"...he's just really good at roaming, but he plays way to flat footed in isolation and is not good with on ball stealing and shotblocking...

[RRR3]

Prime McGrady as well.
Who the hell wouldn't have trouble with prime McGrady? :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Here's prime T-Mac vs. young LeBron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_FQOYWMULI
8 threes in a half :bowdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVY3boYcNAE
41 and 11 vs rookie LeBron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOQPgeLm7AM

[hitmanyr2k]

Miami went small in crunch time and Lebron was guarding David west, so I don't know what the f the op is talking about.

And Lebron did a good job on west who was pretty much owning Harlem or Chris Anderson and whoever else Miami threw at him. So no, lebrons versatility on d is not overrated. D west is a pretty good offensive big man

:wtf: Are you talking about Game 1 or Game 2? David West played like shit in Game 2 long before they put Lebron on him.

[tikay0]

Lebron's been exposing himself for the past 10 years. :confusedshrug:

[tikay0]

Here's prime T-Mac vs. young LeBron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_FQOYWMULI
8 threes in a half :bowdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVY3boYcNAE
41 and 11 vs rookie LeBron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOQPgeLm7AM

Prime for prime, T-Mac >>>>>>>> Lebron.

[RRR3]

Prime for prime, T-Mac >>>>>>>> Lebron.
Prime T-Mac is GOAT :pimp:

























(well, he is to me at least :D )

[tikay0]

Prime T-Mac is GOAT :pimp:

























(well, he is to me at least :D )


Me too. :cheers:

1)T-Mac
2)Russell
3)Rose

[RRR3]

Me too. :cheers:

1)T-Mac
2)Russell
3)Rose
Finals MVP this year, book it.

[tikay0]

Finals MVP this year, book it.

:rockon:

[gengiskhan]

Lebron is 6'8"

George is 6'8"

If LBJ got power & muscle. George has quickness & agility.

this is apparantly giving LBJ problems.

I've never believed LBJ is runner up DPOY or DPOY material. He is just all-D first team which is a popularity contest.

[I.R.Beast]

It's been true for years, although Pierce has always been a slower player. But very few other defenders can lock up Pierce, so how does that make him a bad defender?
pierce is stronger than every sf not named LBJ thats why he can't bully LBJ that's why...Pierce has struggled in the post season the past few years "period"...LBJ has "locked" him down..smh

[Nash]

hmm, well, Lebron was busy shutting David West down in the 2nd half. Wade had George in 2nd.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Paul George is 10-13 for 29 points when guarded by LeBron James.

James is 18-of-31 for 45 points (8 turnovers) when guarded by George

https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/338671103541145601

[bluechox2]

james will never be considered overrated when he has bspn and stern behind him

even if he plays like shit, youll see bspn on his cawk just cus of the 1 or 2 plays which he played well

example game 1:
played like shit, but made the game winning layup, no one remembers the shit part cus espn covered his bitch ass like private ryan

[Trollsmasher]

Lebron is 6'8"

George is 6'8"

If LBJ got power & muscle. George has quickness & agility.

this is apparantly giving LBJ problems.

I've never believed LBJ is runner up DPOY or DPOY material. He is just all-D first team which is a popularity contest.
George is probably 6'10.

[aburre21]

Lebron has lost a lot of his quickness and agility because he's so heavy/muscular. He needs to lose weight as he gets older. It's so obvious. LeBron from 07-09 would have no problem staying in front of these younger and quicker guys, but he's to stiff and flatfooted now

[TheMarkMadsen]

Paul George is 10-13 for 29 points when guarded by LeBron James.

James is 18-of-31 for 45 points (8 turnovers) when guarded by George

https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/338671103541145601

George is killing Lebron on offense

[STATUTORY]

Lebron has lost a lot of his quickness and agility because he's so heavy/muscular. He needs to lose weight as he gets older. It's so obvious. LeBron from 07-09 would have no problem staying in front of these younger and quicker guys, but he's to stiff and flatfooted now


Really? Cuz thst bronzy couldnt stay in front of the truth Paul pierce when his teams lifr depended on it

[K Xerxes]

Really? Cuz thst bronzy couldnt stay in front of the truth Paul pierce when his teams lifr depended on it

The same LeBron that dropped 45 and held Pierce to like 20% shooting in an elimination game? :confusedshrug:

[RichieW]

Lebron has lost a lot of his quickness and agility because he's so heavy/muscular. He needs to lose weight as he gets older. It's so obvious. LeBron from 07-09 would have no problem staying in front of these younger and quicker guys, but he's to stiff and flatfooted now

Disagree. His quickness will leave him as he ages regardless, he should keep his strength and become much more of a post up player.

[K Xerxes]

Lebron has lost a lot of his quickness and agility because he's so heavy/muscular. He needs to lose weight as he gets older. It's so obvious. LeBron from 07-09 would have no problem staying in front of these younger and quicker guys, but he's to stiff and flatfooted now

This is true. He has lost so much of his first step as he's bulked up that he's not that difficult to be beaten off the dribble anymore. The problem is that not many people attack him anymore because of his reputation as a defender, but George is doing brilliantly and is part of the reason they split the first two games.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Me too. :cheers:

1)T-Mac
2)Russell
3)Rose
Bulls "homer" ... right.

:oldlol:

[chosen_wun]

james will never be considered overrated when he has bspn and stern behind him

even if he plays like shit, youll see bspn on his cawk just cus of the 1 or 2 plays which he played well

example game 1:
played like shit, but made the game winning layup, no one remembers the shit part cus espn covered his bitch ass like private ryan
Why do people always over exaggerate ???

Are you honestly trying to say that LeBron played like shit in the game he got the winning shot ? seriously ?

If he played like shit in that game then what does say about the players you root for. STFU seriously, get perspective, i usually dont mind trolls but that was retarded.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why do people always over exaggerate ???

Are you honestly trying to say that LeBron played like shit in the game he got the winning shot ? seriously ?

If he played like shit in that game then what does say about the players you root for. STFU seriously, get perspective, i usually dont mind trolls but that was retarded.

Are you the first 13 poster with 1000 post?

CF86 would be proud

[LongLiveTheKing]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLN22gOCYAAXLoV.jpg

[chosen_wun]

Are you the first 13 poster with 1000 post?

CF86 would be proud
Im in the same no-life greatness of Clippersfan:bowdown:

[DJ Leon Smith]

The same LeBron that dropped 45 and held Pierce to like 20% shooting in an elimination game? :confusedshrug:

Yep! The same LeBron who held LeBron to 17ppg on 47/32/60 (but he could have hit 50/40/90 if he wanted to) in the NBA Finals.

[Trollsmasher]

I hope LeBron takes on George from start today and shows him his place. George is due for a stinker anyway.

[tikay0]

Bulls "homer" ... right.

:oldlol:

SamuraiSwish's top 3:

1) MJ
2) MJ
3) MJ

:facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

SamuraiSwish's top 3:

1) MJ
2) MJ
3) MJ

:facepalm
What "Bulls homer" doesn't have MJ up there in GOAT ranks?

And yes, for me:

1) MJ - '91
2) MJ - '92
3) MJ - '93

And I wouldn't even be necessarily wrong. haha ...

But seriously, let's be honest. You're probably very young and just started watching the game around 2011 during Rose's MVP season.

Because even a Bulls fan would acknowledge that Pippen should be ranked higher on a GOAT list than Rose. That '94 Knicks team >>> 2011 Pacers, 2011 Hawks ... and maybe even better than the 2011 Heat.

You're not a Bulls fan, you're desperately trying for people to take you seriously on here.

For Swoosh's serious top three, based exclusively off who I've SEEN in context:

MJ
Hakeem
Shaq

with LeBron quickly gaining steam on Shaq.

For Swoosh's serious top three, taking into account un-witnessed history:

MJ
Wilt
Bird

[Akhenaten]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLN22gOCYAAXLoV.jpg


Wow, PG is cooking him though 13 shots is too small a a sample to draw any definitive conclusion.

[Bandito]

Why do people always over exaggerate ???

Are you honestly trying to say that LeBron played like shit in the game he got the winning shot ? seriously ?

If he played like shit in that game then what does say about the players you root for. STFU seriously, get perspective, i usually dont mind trolls but that was retarded.
How the F do you got 1000+ posts in a matter of a month?:wtf: :facepalm :biggums:

[tikay0]

Blah blah blah, butt hurt.

Listen sweet boy. That's not my GOAT list. That's my favorite player list. :facepalm

P.S. Why you e-stalkin me bruh? :confusedshrug: :wtf:

[K Xerxes]

What "Bulls homer" doesn't have MJ up there in GOAT ranks?

And yes, for me:

1) MJ - '91
2) MJ - '92
3) MJ - '93

And I wouldn't even be necessarily wrong. haha ...

But seriously, let's be honest. You're probably very young and just started watching the game around 2011 during Rose's MVP season.

Because even a Bulls fan would acknowledge that Pippen should be ranked higher on a GOAT list than Rose. That '94 Knicks team >>> 2011 Pacers, 2011 Hawks ... and maybe even better than the 2011 Heat.

You're not a Bulls fan, you're desperately trying for people to take you seriously on here.

For Swoosh's serious top three, based exclusively off who I've SEEN in context:

MJ
Hakeem
Shaq

with LeBron quickly gaining steam on Shaq.

For Swoosh's serious top three, taking into account un-witnessed history:

MJ
Wilt
Bird

****, you're actually a good and reasoned poster when you're not trolling. I didn't know that. :wtf:

[tikay0]

****, you're actually a good and reasoned poster when you're not trolling. I didn't know that. :wtf:

Woah, he listed possibly one of the most common top 3 lists of all time, give or take a certain player. :eek:

Genius level stuff right there. :oldlol:

Anyone could put up a top 3 GOAT list with any one of MJ, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Russell, and they'd all have an argument. Groundbreaking...........:facepalm

[K Xerxes]

Woah, he listed possibly one of the most common top 3 lists of all time, give or take a certain player. :eek:

Genius level stuff right there. :oldlol:

Anyone could put up a top 3 GOAT list with any one of MJ, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Russell, and they'd all have an argument. Groundbreaking...........:facepalm

You just mad you got heavily exposed these last couple of days. You should have stayed as a fake Bulls fan. Time to jump ship to your dupe?

[kamil]

How the F do you got 1000+ posts in a matter of a month?:wtf: :facepalm :biggums:

Lack of girlfriend.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Im in the same no-life greatness of Clippersfan:bowdown:

:bowdown: keep on doin you tho

[tazb]

I hope LeBron takes on George from start today and shows him his place. George is due for a stinker anyway.
:lol Word. This is the same Paul George who is shooting 41% for the playoffs and 29% from the 3 in the playoffs. He's just on a fluke stretch right now.

[tikay0]

You just mad you got heavily exposed these last couple of days. You should have stayed as a fake Bulls fan. Time to jump ship to your dupe?

Says Numbersixx's or SamuraiSwish's ALT account. :oldlol:

Even Bulls posters can see through your fake ass. Samurai doesn't count as a Bull poster. He's an MJ stan poster.

[SyRyanYang]

He did lock down Rose, did he not? Oh wait I forgot Rose was overrated too.

[tikay0]

He did lock down Rose, did he not? Oh wait I forgot Rose was overrated too.

LMAO, never. Rose was shitting on the Pacers in the 11' offs. :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

3/10
30% :bowdown:

LeBron exposed!