Why are the Pacers getting so much ref help this season?

[HoopsFanNumero1]

This was more evident to me in the Knicks series. Hibbert was allowed to "jump up straight" and not get a foul called on him. It was particularly obvious in game 6 of the series, where Stephenson and Hibbert were allowed to rough up the Knicks players and then the Melo and JR would pick up touch fouls on the defensive end.

Then everyone expected that to change in the Heat series but it's still going on. Hibbert rarely gets in foul trouble while Lebron and co. have been getting riddled with fouls. Now, there have been bad calls against both sides but the particularly bad ones at the end of the game have favored Pacers. Eg. in game 1, where Wade "fouled" Paul George, and today with Lebron fouling out.

And before someone says it was the correct call, realize that illegal screens are set dozens of times in every NBA game, and rarely get called. So to call one at the closing moments of a close game is a huge deal.

[LBJMVP]

april 2013

[Fudge]

April 2013

[poido123]

April 2013.

No, but seriously why are you worried about it? You know it turns around right now. Heat will get just enough help to get past Pacers, all good.

[DaSeba5]

April 2013.

No, but seriously why are you worried about it? You know it turns around right now. Heat will get just enough help to get past Pacers, all good.

We don't need help. We just need to play better. I don't think Wade and Bosh will be that awful every game.

[jimmy77x]

This was more evident to me in the Knicks series. Hibbert was allowed to "jump up straight" and not get a foul called on him. It was particularly obvious in game 6 of the series, where Stephenson and Hibbert were allowed to rough up the Knicks players and then the Melo and JR would pick up touch fouls on the defensive end.

Then everyone expected that to change in the Heat series but it's still going on. Hibbert rarely gets in foul trouble while Lebron and co. have been getting riddled with fouls. Now, there have been bad calls against both sides but the particularly bad ones at the end of the game have favored Pacers. Eg. in game 1, where Wade "fouled" Paul George, and today with Lebron fouling out.

And before someone says it was the correct call, realize that illegal screens are set dozens of times in every NBA game, and rarely get called. So to call one at the closing moments of a close game is a huge deal.

Because david stern aka "satan" is pushing for a small market finals for some reason, which will provide the lowest ratings in nba finals history if it happend:lol

[HoopsFanNumero1]

April 2013.

No, but seriously why are you worried about it? You know it turns around right now. Heat will get just enough help to get past Pacers, all good.

I'm just wondering if the league is trying to turn Hibbert and George into superstars. My expectations coming into the series were that Heat would get all the calls, which is what most fans expected. But Hibbert is still allowed to 'jump straight up' with his arms down and not get a foul called.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Because david stern aka "satan" is pushing for a small market finals for some reason, which will provide the lowest ratings in nba finals history if it happend:lol

:lol That's what doesn't make sense to me. Why were the Pacers getting so much more ref help in the Knicks series? I'm not even trolling. Just seriously wondering why the league would do that.

[LBJMVP]

I'm just wondering if the league is trying to turn Hibbert and George into superstars. My expectations coming into the series were that Heat would get all the calls, which is what most fans expected. But Hibbert is still allowed to 'jump straight up' with his arms down and not get a foul called.

it is sad that you just expect your team to get every single call... you already know the refs favor your team.

then you get pissed when you dont get every single call. pathetic.

[FLDFSU]

Don't worry. The morons on here will soon tell you how Stern wants a MIA vs NYC series while IND shoots 30 more free throws than NYC in their close out game 6

[HoopsFanNumero1]

it is sad that you just expect your team to get every single call... you already know the refs favor your team.

then you get pissed when you dont get every single call. pathetic.

A little reading comprehension goes a long way. It's well known that in the past, large-market teams have been favored by the refs. If you actually read my post, you would realize that what I'm asking is why is a small-market team like the Pacers getting the benefit of the whistle over a team like the Knicks.

[WayOfWade]

That could just be the way their game is (getting FT's). But I don't watch the Pacers often so I could be mistaken. But it just seems like with Roy & West banging down low and Paul George slashing, they should get a good amount of FT's.

[tpols]

Hibbert has not been fouling when he is protecting the rim.. he has played great defense all playoffs.

Youre probably used to perimeter superstars running into the paint and getting whatever call they wanted.. THAT is the incorrect way to call games and not the way it used to be.

The way we see it now is the correct way to call games.

Go watch a spur game.. Tim Duncan is the MASTER of bodying you up with his hands straight up and blocking or altering shots. Z-Bo missed about 50 layups because Thiago and Duncan are so good at protecting the rim that way. And that is the correct way to protect the rim. Jumping and swatting lead to fouls.

[InspiredLebowski]

I'm just cackling at InsidePoops tonight. CACKLING I tell you.

[poido123]

I'm just wondering if the league is trying to turn Hibbert and George into superstars. My expectations coming into the series were that Heat would get all the calls, which is what most fans expected. But Hibbert is still allowed to 'jump straight up' with his arms down and not get a foul called.

i think his arms go down because he is infinately taller and long wing span. against a tall opponent his size, he would likely put hands staright up? I dont know, but we are not talking about a guy getting away with flops here.

Im telling you now, there is no reason for the League to be pushing Indiana through.

What was interesting, is that some of the heat fans have come out and said stern and the league are rigging this series to go longer. Does that sound funny when there has been Heat fans calling me out for an agenda, and ive been saying for years the league is tainted and corrupt? :confusedshrug:

Only because I said Miami will get the benefit of the corruption have I drawn so much hate :lol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

If your big man and wing players all attack the basket rather than settle down for jumpshots, you get calls/FTs. Its just that simple, which is why Lebron and Wade get lots of FTs in their old days. What surprises me is with Durant getting a huge number of FTs though, hes a jump shooter.
:rolleyes:

[I.R.Beast]

If your big man and wing players all attack the basket rather than settle down for jumpshots, you get calls/FTs. Its just that simple, which is why Lebron and Wade get lots of FTs in their old days. What surprises me is with Durant getting a huge number of FTs though, hes a jump shooter.
:rolleyes:
durant slashes to the rim too..and is good at catching silly defenders with the rip move when the extend their arms forward instead of to the sides like they are supposed... Durant also gets out in transition alot which is where alot of fouls occur... Durant earns his FTs with savvy and slashing.. Durant doesnt seek contact when going to the rim so most contact when he drives is initiated by the defender so he fouls are called. Player that seek contact and initiate themselves so more contact is allowed... the notion that durant is "just a shooter" should have been dead e seasons ago.

[niko]

This was more evident to me in the Knicks series. Hibbert was allowed to "jump up straight" and not get a foul called on him. It was particularly obvious in game 6 of the series, where Stephenson and Hibbert were allowed to rough up the Knicks players and then the Melo and JR would pick up touch fouls on the defensive end.

Then everyone expected that to change in the Heat series but it's still going on. Hibbert rarely gets in foul trouble while Lebron and co. have been getting riddled with fouls. Now, there have been bad calls against both sides but the particularly bad ones at the end of the game have favored Pacers. Eg. in game 1, where Wade "fouled" Paul George, and today with Lebron fouling out.

And before someone says it was the correct call, realize that illegal screens are set dozens of times in every NBA game, and rarely get called. So to call one at the closing moments of a close game is a huge deal.

This one is true. It's actually the right call but watching the NBA, how many times do the refs actually give bigs the benefit of the doubt if someone comes hard at them. Hibbert gets the benefit of the doubt a large pct of the time. Can't really complain as it's the right call but it's not one the refs call correctly, except apparently for Hibbert.

[niko]

If your big man and wing players all attack the basket rather than settle down for jumpshots, you get calls/FTs. Its just that simple, which is why Lebron and Wade get lots of FTs in their old days. What surprises me is with Durant getting a huge number of FTs though, hes a jump shooter.
:rolleyes:
The Knick/OKC game (the second one) was the most ridiculous thing i ever saw. Melo was in the post getting mauled and nothing. Durant was 20 feet away and was basically calling his own fouls like it was in a park. He does seem to get a lot of calls on the perimeter.

Let's face it, NBA refs just suck.

[uber]

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Pacers defense 90% of the time.

[jzek]

Because SAS swept their series and the longer the ECF goes, the more money the league makes.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

It's happening again. These refs sure do love themselves some Pacers.

[edrick]

Hibbert is quite possibly the worst player I have ever seen receive as much ref respect as he does. It's quite amazing, really.

[Dro]

2014 Pacers, 16th in the league in FTA...Dem refs doe..........

[Bernkastel]

They gave Silver their finest lambs and daughters.

[Real14]

The pacers actually suck though honestly.

[livinglegend]

2014 Pacers, 16th in the league in FTA...Dem refs doe..........

funny how suddently the 16th in FTA team gets 40+ FTA

[Dro]

funny how suddently the 16th in FTA team gets 40+ FTA
Funny how the Heat started Shane Battier and Chris Bosh who's soft as tissue and expected to keep Indiana out of the paint...:rolleyes:

Obvious conspiracy for the cornfed Hicks..huge ratings...

[LakersFan626]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1335802.1367798084!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/nba.jpg

Pacers defense 90% of the time.

Verticality...

Yeah, this game is why I can't see Miami beating OKC this time if it happens... they can't even get calls against the Pacers!

[RedBlackAttack]

Indiana plays a physical brand of basketball... one of the few in the NBA who can do it successfully with today's rules. It isn't because of "ref help" or trying to "manufacture superstars." It's because they're good.

[game3524]

Funny how the Heat started Shane Battier and Chris Bosh who's soft as tissue and expected to keep Indiana out of the paint...:rolleyes:

Obvious conspiracy for the cornfed Hicks..huge ratings...

Exactly, what the **** did they think was going to happen?

Mad about FT disparity, blame Spo for that garbage small line-up.

[Mr Exlax]

It's called paid dues.

[RedBlackAttack]

They relentlessly attack the basket offensively and force players to become jumpshooters on the other end. That always will and should result in a FT disparity.

[poido123]

:facepalm

[NumberSix]

April 2013.

No, but seriously why are you worried about it? You know it turns around right now. Heat will get just enough help to get past Pacers, all good.
You're truly amazing in your bias. This game in your mind is somehow confirmation of your Heat+refs conspiracy.

[NumberSix]

They relentlessly attack the basket offensively and force players to become jumpshooters on the other end. That always will and should result in a FT disparity.
Miami scored a lot more in the paint than Indy did.

Miami: 56
Indiana: 38

[poido123]

You're truly amazing in your bias. This game in your mind is somehow confirmation of your Heat+refs conspiracy.


Big business protects its assets.

Miami Heat are a marketing jugernaut and have the best player in the league.

Just another "MJ marketing machine" the league will ride to profit.

I can still enjoy the game for what it is, teams are still able to overcome ref influencing but the game now resembles more a WWF league.


BTW, thanks for calling me out on a post that was made in May 2013 :lol:

[RedBlackAttack]

Miami scored a lot more in the paint than Indy did.

Miami: 56
Indiana: 38
...and?

Hard to score in the paint when you're constantly getting hacked from all angles. Miami could not handle the Pacers' bigs tonight. It was blatantly obvious. Are you somehow arguing this point?

[game3524]

...and?

Hard to score in the paint when you're constantly getting hacked from all angles. Miami could not handle the Pacers' bigs tonight. It was blatantly obvious. Are you somehow arguing this point?

Yeah, it is not like the Pacers were getting fouled on jump shots. I don't know how many times I saw a Miami Defender out of position and reaching/hacking at the last minute.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yeah, it is not like the Pacers were getting fouled on jump shots. I don't know how many times I saw a Miami Defender out of position and reaching/hacking at the last minute.
I won't even say that this was a horrible strategy by Miami. They can't handle the Pacers' bigs, especially with that starting lineup they trotted out there today. When they get position, hack them and hope for the best. The fouling was so obvious, it almost seemed like a strategy to me. Indiana missed eight free throws, so it wasn't totally unsuccessful.

It was the utter lack of aggression by the Heat on the other end that really cost them in this game. Taking 23 threes on a night when your jumpers clearly aren't falling will result in an L more times than not.

Unfortunately for Miami, they probably can't afford to have too many off-shooting nights against the Pacers because of Indiana's natural advantages on the other end.

[Xiengqichess]

I watched the whole game and I don't see a lot of bad calls. The Heat can't defend Pacers if the Pacers play the right way. Heat used to get away with h acking people down low. Not today.

[no pun intended]

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[PickernRoller]

Op getting shit on in his own thread - typical.

#GivenNotEarned :cry:

[Brokenbeat]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUa6pcMOLEM

[I<3NBA]

They relentlessly attack the basket offensively and force players to become jumpshooters on the other end. That always will and should result in a FT disparity.
if only this were true every time :(

we would be seeing Memphis vs Spurs.