I wish LeBron & Jordan were both in the league at the same time while in their primes

[Orlando Magic]

So I was thinking about this earlier...

Mike was so incredibly mentally tough, cocky, etc... talked SO much trash that he literally demolished the career of a guy like Kwame Brown... etc...

Anyone else feel like this type of behavior/trash talk/whatever aimed at LeBron would do one of two things?

Either he'd fold up like a bitch and MJ would demolish his teams or it would propel LeBron to new heights and he'd literally kill everyone.

Makes you think...

[TheMarkMadsen]

So I was thinking about this earlier...

Mike was so incredibly mentally tough, cocky, etc... talked SO much trash that he literally demolished the career of a guy like Kwame Brown... etc...

Anyone else feel like this type of behavior/trash talk/whatever aimed at LeBron would do one of two things?

Either he'd fold up like a bitch and MJ would demolish his teams or it would propel LeBron to new heights and he'd literally kill everyone.

Makes you think...


Lebron couldn't even handle JT & Marion talking shit.

[Orlando Magic]

Lebron couldn't even handle JT talking shit.

MJ ended Muggsy Bogues' career just by trash talking him in for FIVE SECONDS. LOL.

[Mr Exlax]

When has Jordan ever stopped somebody that was bigger and stronger than him? People really really think he'd stop Lebron lol?

[Orlando Magic]

When has Jordan ever stopped somebody that was bigger and stronger than him? People really really think he'd stop Lebron lol?

.....................................point of thread...








....your head....

[TheMarkMadsen]

MJ ended Muggsy Bogues' career just by trash talking him in for FIVE SECONDS. LOL.


Exactly. Imagine a player BETTER than Lebron talking shit to him all game & backing it up, Lebron would crumble.

Lebron doesn't handle in game adversity very well at all, especially not in the clutch, if one thing goes wrong or he makes a mistake in a crucial moment he mentally checks out.

Game 1 he was hitting clutch lay ups & things were going smoothly so he had enough confidence to attack for the game winner.

Game 2 he makes a mistake late in the game & mentally checks out.

2011 finals mentally checks out of the series after being yelled at by Wade.

Lebron doesn't handle IN GAME adversity well at all (I.e. unexpected occurences in game)

[TheMarkMadsen]

When has Jordan ever stopped somebody that was bigger and stronger than him? People really really think he'd stop Lebron lol?


Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tony Allen, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Bruce Bowen have all been able to slow down/ stop Lebron in crucial playoff/finals games.. what makes you think the GOAT couldn't?

[andgar923]

When has Jordan ever stopped somebody that was bigger and stronger than him? People really really think he'd stop Lebron lol?
:facepalm
I thought this myth was destroyed already.

[lakerspng]

Players I wish I could have seen matched up in their primes, in a best of 7 series.

Shaq vs Wilt

Jordan vs Kobe

[Mr Exlax]

Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tony Allen, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Bruce Bowen have all been able to slow down/ stop Lebron in crucial playoff/finals games.. what makes you think the GOAT couldn't?

This season? They slowed him down? When lol?

[Mr Exlax]

:facepalm
I thought this myth was destroyed already.

What myth? Nobody ever showed me where MJ shut down a bigger player. Even with the trash talking.

[Mr Exlax]

.....................................point of thread...








....your head....

Oh nah I got it. I just don't think trash talking bothers LBJ. We've never seen him jawing with other players. It ain't in him.

[TheMarkMadsen]

This season? They slowed him down? When lol?


A 38 YO Jason Kid and a past his prim Shawn Marion slowed down a 27 year old Lebron in the finals.

And did you check the Bulls series this year? Lebron scored 24 ppg on 44% = being slowed down when your season average is 27ppg on 56% shooting


Marion looked Lebron in the eyes on national television during the NBA finals & called him a bitch then proceeded to win an NBA title while said bitch scored 8 pts in a finals game and got outscored by the other teams 6th man...

But no MJ wouldn't stand a chance :rolleyes:

[tmacattack33]

Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tony Allen, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Bruce Bowen have all been able to slow down/ stop Lebron in crucial playoff/finals games.. what makes you think the GOAT couldn't?

That's the dumbest sh*t ever...Yes, Lebron hasn't been undefeated in crucial playoff games. Big surprise lol. And the fact that you could only list 6 players over the course of at least a 6 year span actually bodes well for Lebron.

[Mr Exlax]

A 38 YO Jason Kid and a past his prim Shawn Marion slowed down a 27 year old Lebron in the finals.

And did you check the Bulls series this year? Lebron scored 24 ppg on 44% = being slowed down when your season average is 27ppg on 56% shooting


Marion looked Lebron in the eyes on national television during the NBA finals & called him a bitch then proceeded to win an NBA title while said bitch scored 8 pts in a finals game and got outscored by the other teams 6th man...

But no MJ wouldn't stand a chance :rolleyes:

This season numbnuts lol. Jimmy Butler didn't slow down Lebron. Chicago's team defense slowed down Lebron. Again though, when has MJ locked up or slowed down a player bigger than him?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

When has Jordan ever stopped somebody that was bigger and stronger than him? People really really think he'd stop Lebron lol?

And yet Jordan would still be the best player in the league, Stanley.

[Solefade]

A 38 YO Jason Kid and a past his prim Shawn Marion slowed down a 27 year old Lebron in the finals.

And did you check the Bulls series this year? Lebron scored 24 ppg on 44% = being slowed down when your season average is 27ppg on 56% shooting


Marion looked Lebron in the eyes on national television during the NBA finals & called him a bitch then proceeded to win an NBA title while said bitch scored 8 pts in a finals game and got outscored by the other teams 6th man...

But no MJ wouldn't stand a chance :rolleyes:

So LeBron responded by straight up carrying the entire team on his back last season?

Teams play better defense in the playoffs, the Heat won in 5 games, won 4 straight versus the Bulls? :confusedshrug:

Not sure what you're reaching for boy

[Solefade]

Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Tony Allen, Jimmy Butler, Paul George, Bruce Bowen have all been able to slow down/ stop Lebron in crucial playoff/finals games.. what makes you think the GOAT couldn't?


The fcuk? lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

So LeBron responded by straight up carrying the entire team on his back last season?



:roll:

Lebron is the only player in history who can play with 2 all stars, have one put up 22 5 5 on 50% shooting in the playoffs and still have his fans say he "carried" them.

[Orlando Magic]

:roll:

Lebron is the only player in history who can play with 2 all stars, have one put up 22 5 5 on 50% shooting in the playoffs and still have his fans say he "carried" them.

I'd say Shaq carried those 3 peat Lakers and I don't know Kobe's numbers off the top of my head but I can't imagine they're much worse than that...

[TheMarkMadsen]

The fcuk? lol

Did you even read what I was replying to?

Dude said Jordan couldn't guard Lebron, I listed a few players who off the top of my head were able to slow down/stop Lebron.

All of those players are inferior defenders compared to MJ.

Mj could slow down/stop Lebron.

[kNicKz]

Nobody ever showed me where MJ shut down a bigger player. Even with the trash talking.

http://5.nicekicks.com/wp/files/2011/08/12-playoffs-1-620x902.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5l9WsAIy990/Tr3fo27vBUI/AAAAAAAAAVI/723pFtocV_o/s1600/jordan_dunks.jpg

http://www.bloguinbasketball.com/asternwarning/images/stories/michael_jordan_patrick_ewing_dunk.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_42w5-R0zz2g/SllL-66UhGI/AAAAAAAAH1E/Ndpv-KVfgso/s400/Michael+Jordan+Dunks+On+Orlando+Woolridge.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/hero2/ninja0/Jordan3.jpg

Meanwhile: sportscenter hyping up a dunk on a sideways Jason Terry :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'd say Shaq carried those 3 peat Lakers and I don't know Kobe's numbers off the top of my head but I can't imagine they're much worse than that...

Kobe averaged 25 5 5 over that 3 peat.

29/7/6 durring the 01 playoff run.

Shaq "carried" the 2000 lakers, although Kobe had some big playoff games/moments which were crucial to their success (Portland game 7) he was injured for most of the finals where Shaq really dominated the Pacers weak front court.

01 & 02 was 2 elite players carrying almost equal weight, Shaq was the more dominate player overall but its hard to say if they get past the Spurs or Kings without Kobes brilliant WCF.

FMVP was Shaq both of those years which was fair, however it could be argued that in 01 the playoff MVP was Kobe.

Those 01 & 02 Lakers teams were the most top heavy championship team in history in that if either Shaq or Kobe got hurt, your next best option to score was d fish.

People can troll all they want and post the 01 Lakers regular season record W/o Kobe, hell I've even seen Kblaze say that 01 isn't much worse w/o Kobe :facepalm . Just keep in mind that by claiming that they're claiming that a Shaq & D fish duo would have steamrolled their way to an NBA championship while only losing 1 game..

[Solefade]

Did you even read what I was replying to?

Dude said Jordan couldn't guard Lebron, I listed a few players who off the top of my head were able to slow down/stop Lebron.

All of those players are inferior defenders compared to MJ.

Mj could slow down/stop Lebron.


First off, none of those players "stopped" LeBron. LeBron choked in the finals/beat himself in 2011 but Dallas played great team defense and Tyson Chandler was an AMAZING anchor. No one stops LeBron in a 1v1. You saw what happened to Paul George when he was left on an island and he is bigger and better than most of those guys you listed.

This was just a supposed theoretical conversation started by OP and you dick jerkers turned into another "LeBron has no chance/he's a choker/he's a flopper/needs more help" thread. It's annoying as hell to see the same LeBron haters post the exact same material in every goddamn fcuking thread.

We get it, you guys don't like LeBron but there's no need to repeat yourself in every goddamn time.

[kNicKz]

No one stops LeBron in a 1v1.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

they put the back up PG on james :roll:

im dead

[andgar923]

What myth? Nobody ever showed me where MJ shut down a bigger player. Even with the trash talking.

:facepalm

The myth that it's hard to stop Bron due to his size.

For years we heard "Bron is too athletic and big to stop!!!" "No handcheck can stop him" "he'd embarrass Pip" etc.etc. Yet we've seen him get stopped by smaller, slower, weaker players various times.

Bron doesn't play like a big man, he doesnt' use his size to his advantage. When MJ faced Nique, Bird, Magic and other taller players they used their size to their advantage.

We've seen defenders that are lesser defenders than MJ was stop or really give Bron fits. It has been shown repeatedly that stronger, faster, bigger isn't necssarily a huge mismatch if the offensive player doesn't know how to use his height and/or the defender is tenacious, tough and smart.

It ultimately comes down to 'team' defense. And MJ was smarter than 99% of today's defenders, I'm sure he'll do just fine defending Bron. Unless Bron changes his game up and decides to play like Malone or Magic and use his size to his advantage. Hell, just changing his game to play like Nique will make him harder to stop. Even tho Nique set up his shot and protected the ball differently than Bron.

[andgar923]

Oh nah I got it. I just don't think trash talking bothers LBJ. We've never seen him jawing with other players. It ain't in him.

Yet we've seen it affect him at times :confusedshrug: Where you been?

[Rubio2Gasol]

I wished this Miami team had to play in the eastern conference in 1991....we'd see their greatness.

Indiana has no business being in the series right now at the talent deficit they're facing.

[Trollsmasher]

Jordan would be running away from James. Luckily, he would have Pippen to guard him.

[gengiskhan]

32.5 /8 /8 @ 54%FG

translate dat to LBJ's era

its 37.2 / 9 / 9 @ 59%FG. :bowdown: :bowdown:

enuf said!

If LBJ got 4 MVPs.

MJ without Magic, Bird in his rearview mirro will get like 8-9 MVPs easily!

[Xiengqichess]

Where is the gif that MJ talk to Doc Rivers : F!ck.... Flop...... ? That's what MJ says to LeBron if they're on the same court.

[SpecialQue]

Hey, while we're wishing, I wish I could eat a s'more out of Scarlett Johansson's snatch.

[Trollsmasher]

32.5 /8 /8 @ 54%FG

translate dat to LBJ's era

its 37.2 / 9 / 9 @ 59%FG. :bowdown: :bowdown:

enuf said!

If LBJ got 4 MVPs.

MJ without Magic, Bird in his rearview mirro will get like 8-9 MVPs easily!
You are translating it in reverse.

[gengiskhan]

You are translating it in reverse.

you are indeed a TROLLSMASHER!

1989 MJ saw celtics scheming D, Pistons Bad Boys D, NYK D, Cavs athletic D, ATL's athletic/physical D x 4 times each!


Thats 20 games of extremely physical Defense!

LBJ plays in easier Eastern Conf. (west conf is considered tougher one today)

MJ played in much tougher East. Conf. that was filled with DPOY winners! rodman, dennis johnson etc etc.

[Breezy]

So I was thinking about this earlier...

Mike was so incredibly mentally tough, cocky, etc... talked SO much trash that he literally demolished the career of a guy like Kwame Brown... etc...

Anyone else feel like this type of behavior/trash talk/whatever aimed at LeBron would do one of two things?

Either he'd fold up like a bitch and MJ would demolish his teams or it would propel LeBron to new heights and he'd literally kill everyone.

Makes you think...

Lebron's "mental weakness" in this regard is misunderstood. I've seen him fold in the pressure of the moment but the stories out there that he choked because people were taking trash to him are just plain not true. Last years conference finals are a great example. I also don't believe Jordan would need a mental edge over lebron to beat him. Jordan is the superior player. He would simply outplay him.

[Young X]

Jordan would be running away from James. Luckily, he would have Pippen to guard him.
^Delusional. :oldlol:

[maybeshewill13]

Imagine Lelbron trying to handle the refereeing back then. It was so much rougher Lelbron would fold completely. Imagine him trying to deal with the bad boy Pistons :roll: Dude would probably start crying on court

[sportjames23]

So I was thinking about this earlier...

Mike was so incredibly mentally tough, cocky, etc... talked SO much trash that he literally demolished the career of a guy like Kwame Brown... etc...

Anyone else feel like this type of behavior/trash talk/whatever aimed at LeBron would do one of two things?

Either he'd fold up like a bitch and MJ would demolish his teams or it would propel LeBron to new heights and he'd literally kill everyone.

Makes you think...


MJ would destroy Bron mentally.

[Legends66NBA7]

James, when he's in the 'zone', can be very mentally tough. However, that can be like day and night... especially when matched up against a very dominant player like Jordan. He is very cocky and given the opportunity he has psyched out some of his competition with trash talk... just not many cases of it that's high lighted.

Don't see what a lot of trash talking Jordan would do that would make any more better than he is now and I don't see him getting worse or 'destroyed' by it.

[Le Shaqtus]

MJ wouldn't be trash talking LeBron or anything. Because LeBron would have left Cleveland to join up with him and ride his coat tails for 7 rings with the Bulls :lol

[TonyMontana]

Show me where Jordan ever succesfully shut down a 6'8 270 pound player.

Ill wait

Jordan would have no chance if LeBron posted up. Especially since zones were illegal in Jordans time so Jordan wouldn't have a scheme to fall back on. Just think of how dumb it would be if the Bulls put Jordan on Karl Malone.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

So I was thinking about this earlier...

Mike was so incredibly mentally tough, cocky, etc... talked SO much trash that he literally demolished the career of a guy like Kwame Brown... etc...

Anyone else feel like this type of behavior/trash talk/whatever aimed at LeBron would do one of two things?

Either he'd fold up like a bitch and MJ would demolish his teams or it would propel LeBron to new heights and he'd literally kill everyone.

Makes you think...

Lebron would end up guarding steve kerr instead

[sekachu]

What myth? Nobody ever showed me where MJ shut down a bigger player. Even with the trash talking.



Go watch 92 final

[kamil]

What? LeBron* stans actually think he'd have a chance against MJ?

MJ would dismantle this flopping scrub.

[sdot_thadon]

Go watch 92 final
Against the blazers? You do realize Clyde was all of one inch taller than Mj and rougjly the same size right? Mj didn't guard players that much bigger than him. Pippen did when it was necessary.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebron couldn't even handle JT & Marion talking shit.
[/end thread]

MJ would deliver more demeaning trash talk, and would be compounded by the fact he's the only one whose talent and physical abilities surpass LeBron.

So on top of getting trashed verbally, he would be totally embarrassed on the court as well. People by the early 90's knew not to talk trash to MJ. Let the sleeping panther rest. Why would you fire up a supremely talented guy, who plays even better when angry?

LeBron doesn't play well at all when angry. He folds, and becomes flustered.

[plowking]

[/end thread]

MJ would deliver more demeaning trash talk, and would be compounded by the fact he's the only one whose talent and physical abilities surpass LeBron.

So on top of getting trashed verbally, he would be totally embarrassed on the court as well. People by the early 90's knew not to talk trash to MJ. Let the sleeping panther rest. Why would you fire up a supremely talented guy, who plays even better when angry?

LeBron doesn't play well at all when angry. He folds, and becomes flustered.

So why hasn't he folded going up against Kobe? Kobe gets all the same praise as Michael, and you see people here putting Kobe's prime as better than Bron's all the time.

Weird that.

[kamil]

[/end thread] Why would you fire up a supremely talented guy, who plays even better when angry?

LeBron doesn't play well at all when angry. He folds, and becomes flustered.

This.

The flu game, the 69 point game and countless others are just the tip of the iceberg of MJ going absolutely postal on his opponents. LeBron's never done that... instead his greatest moments started with a SWEEP by the Spurs.

[sdot_thadon]

This.

The flu game, the 69 point game and countless others are just the tip of the iceberg of MJ going absolutely postal on his opponents. LeBron's never done that... instead his greatest moments started with a SWEEP by the Spurs.
Comments like these are gross, Like Lebron has never had big games in his career. Game 5 in Detroit? 29 of the last 30? Last year game 6 in Boston. Plenty of others, countless games in the regular season where he got fired up mid game and beasted. And while 69 point games are amazing, every player is not wired to score 69. Lebron may never shoot enough Iin a game to reach that total. Point is you can't diminish Lebron like he played 40 years ago, there's too much media for that to prove you wrong.

[bdreason]

MJ would eat LeBron's soul.

[kamil]

Comments like these are gross, Like Lebron has never had big games in his career. Game 5 in Detroit? 29 of the last 30? Last year game 6 in Boston. Plenty of others, countless games in the regular season where he got fired up mid game and beasted. And while 69 point games are amazing, every player is not wired to score 69. Lebron may never shoot enough Iin a game to reach that total. Point is you can't diminish Lebron like he played 40 years ago, there's too much media for that to prove you wrong.

That boston series was heavily in favour of Miami by the refs. While I wont say LeBron* has never had great performances, its the fact that the comparison to MJ is weak, LeBron* doesn't measure up.

[Soundwave]

LeBron would hold his own, but MJ would probably go for 60+ against the Heat at some point.

He went out of his way to score 60+ the first time the Bulls played Shaq mostly because he perceived Shaq as the "next" big NBA star and wanted to show him what's up.

The height difference is kinda moot if LeBron tried to guard Jordan, MJ's first step in his prime is simply too fast for Bron, and Jordan obviously never had much trouble jumping over/or gliding past players 6'9+.

He would just need that one step to get some room.

[gengiskhan]

LeBron would hold his own, but MJ would probably go for 60+ against the Heat at some point.

He went out of his way to score 60+ the first time the Bulls played Shaq mostly because he perceived Shaq as the "next" big NBA star and wanted to show him what's up.

The height difference is kinda moot if LeBron tried to guard Jordan, MJ's first step in his prime is simply far faster for Bron, and Jordan obviously never had much trouble jumping over/or gliding past players 6'9+.

He would just need that one step to get some room.

In today's day & age with sissy defense.

MJ will go for 70+ easily against MIA just to show them up.

Remember, he was going for 60+ against DET's bad boys defense.

MJ went for 60+ against ATL's physical/athletic defense.

Who's gonna stop MJ from scoring 70+.....Wade? :lol :lol :lol :lol

[AintNoSunshine]

I think it would show us what we already know.

MJ is going to proof he's far more clutch in crunch time, but Lebron is not going to be stopped during the course of the game, he still is what he is, an incredibly skilled physical specimen who will end up top 8 all time in the history of the game.

[AintNoSunshine]

In today's day & age with sissy defense.

MJ will go for 70+ easily against MIA just to show them up.

Remember, he was going for 60+ against DET's bad boys defense.

MJ went for 60+ against ATL's physical/athletic defense.

Who's gonna stop MJ from scoring 70+.....Wade? :lol :lol :lol :lol


I think you're being a mj stan that you are:facepalm, lebron is going to do a better job on jordan than say, craig ehlo you don't think? Nobody is scoring 70+ easily on anybody OK.

MJ the best there was and will be, but you're rediculously exaggerating.

[TheMan]

What myth? Nobody ever showed me where MJ shut down a bigger player. Even with the trash talking.
Well, he went at it vs Alonzo Mourning a few times, told him he was shit and then proved it. Also locked heads with Riley's big Knicks FC.

LeBron isn't a confrontational type of personality. If MJ smelled any blood in the water, he would become ruthless. I don't LBJ would stand a chance if Marion could get inside James head, Jordan would have Bron in a fetal position and sucking his thumb in the locker room.

[iamgine]

A better one would be Kobe and Jordan since they would be guarding each other.

Lebron and Jordan...Lebron would be guarded by Pippen and Jordan by Wade and vice versa. Except maybe for a few stretch.

[Poetry]

Show me where Jordan ever succesfully shut down a 6'8 270 pound player.

270?

[sdot_thadon]

That boston series was heavily in favour of Miami by the refs. While I wont say LeBron* has never had great performances, its the fact that the comparison to MJ is weak, LeBron* doesn't measure up.
Oh, the refs did that? Lol Anything to diminish huh? The fact that the comparison is even considered lets you know what time it is. How can the comparison be weak when Lebron is proving again and again to be the best since Mj?

Edit** And how dare you bring refs into the discussion comparing anyone to Mj, he was the godfather of superstar calls. Starting to wonder how many of you actually watched Mike play......

[Mr Exlax]

Starting to wonder how many of you actually watched Mike play......

+1

[Mr Exlax]

http://5.nicekicks.com/wp/files/2011/08/12-playoffs-1-620x902.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5l9WsAIy990/Tr3fo27vBUI/AAAAAAAAAVI/723pFtocV_o/s1600/jordan_dunks.jpg

http://www.bloguinbasketball.com/asternwarning/images/stories/michael_jordan_patrick_ewing_dunk.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_42w5-R0zz2g/SllL-66UhGI/AAAAAAAAH1E/Ndpv-KVfgso/s400/Michael+Jordan+Dunks+On+Orlando+Woolridge.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/hero2/ninja0/Jordan3.jpg

Meanwhile: sportscenter hyping up a dunk on a sideways Jason Terry :roll:

I don't get how these dunks "shut down" a bigger player? You know what shut down means? It means defense. Those were some nice dunks though. I remember seeing most of them during the game.

[Mr Exlax]

houston hom0 fans are dumb

Homo? Nicca you the one in ****ing San Francisco.

[Mr Exlax]

:facepalm

The myth that it's hard to stop Bron due to his size.

For years we heard "Bron is too athletic and big to stop!!!" "No handcheck can stop him" "he'd embarrass Pip" etc.etc. Yet we've seen him get stopped by smaller, slower, weaker players various times.

Bron doesn't play like a big man, he doesnt' use his size to his advantage. When MJ faced Nique, Bird, Magic and other taller players they used their size to their advantage.

We've seen defenders that are lesser defenders than MJ was stop or really give Bron fits. It has been shown repeatedly that stronger, faster, bigger isn't necssarily a huge mismatch if the offensive player doesn't know how to use his height and/or the defender is tenacious, tough and smart.

It ultimately comes down to 'team' defense. And MJ was smarter than 99% of today's defenders, I'm sure he'll do just fine defending Bron. Unless Bron changes his game up and decides to play like Malone or Magic and use his size to his advantage. Hell, just changing his game to play like Nique will make him harder to stop. Even tho Nique set up his shot and protected the ball differently than Bron.

Other than the gay ass face palm I found your reply pretty freaking insightful. The only thing is that Lebron isn't being stopped or slowed down by these smaller players since he's developing a post game finally. It's only gonna get better. I think he's finally using his size though. That's why I don't think Jordan would be able to stop him. We're talking 1 on 1 though. Team defenses can slow down just about anybody if you have a smart coach and good players. So again, I gotta stick to my guns and say that Jordan wouldn't be able to stop Lebron. The crap talking or whatever, I have yet to see that stop Lebron. The Dallas series, when they switched the defense in the 4th quarter was the thing that stopped him IMO. Choked or just flat out got beat. All the same thing to me. That defensive scheme was a thing of beauty to me.

[sekachu]

Against the blazers? You do realize Clyde was all of one inch taller than Mj and rougjly the same size right? Mj didn't guard players that much bigger than him. Pippen did when it was necessary.



Clyde drexeler height "2.01m" with 210lb. Lebron height "2.03m" with 250lb. This isn't a big different between them. MJ was almost completely shut down clyde in one on one match. Lebron is slightly better scorer but I don't see MJ couldn't guard him.

Here is another example MJ guarding Grant Hill. It really shows how strong MJ could be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKVP5ufkSqk

[Mr Exlax]

Clyde drexeler height "2.01m" with 210lb. Lebron height "2.03m" with 250lb. This isn't a big different between them. MJ was almost completely shut down clyde in one on one match. Lebron is slightly better scorer but I don't see MJ couldn't guard him.

Here is another example MJ guarding Grant Hill. It really shows how strong MJ could be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKVP5ufkSqk

Do you have anything to show or game clips or anything about MJ almost shutting down Clyde? I don't recall it honestly. Secondly, that's a 40 lb difference bro.

[TheMan]

I don't even think prime MJ LBJ would even guard each other. Bron is bigger and heavier. 87-91 MJ would blow past Bron, any of you guys that think Bron can stay in front of MJ have never seen 80s Jordan. If Paul George can get by LBJ, believe me, LBJ would have no chance.

But like I said, LBJ would have some advantages over MJ and so would MJ have some advantages over James. In the end, Jordan being the superior player would win out. But like I said, I doubt they would defend each other but for a few plays.

[Mr Exlax]

I don't even think prime MJ LBJ would even guard each other. Bron is bigger and heavier. 87-91 MJ would blow past Bron, any of you guys that think Bron can stay in front of MJ have never seen 80s Jordan. If Paul George can get by LBJ, believe me, LBJ would have no chance.

But like I said, LBJ would have some advantages over MJ and so would MJ have some advantages over James. In the end, Jordan being the superior player would win out. But like I said, I doubt they would defend each other but for a few plays.

Almost +1 lol. I still think LBJ would win if they played 1 vs 1. Other than that though you're spot on. I can't say you're wrong for thinking differently. I don't think either would dominate though. There's no way to. It would be better to see Kobe vs MJ being as they play alike.

[NumberSix]

I don't even think prime MJ LBJ would even guard each other. Bron is bigger and heavier. 87-91 MJ would blow past Bron, any of you guys that think Bron can stay in front of MJ have never seen 80s Jordan. If Paul George can get by LBJ, believe me, LBJ would have no chance.

But like I said, LBJ would have some advantages over MJ and so would MJ have some advantages over James. In the end, Jordan being the superior player would win out. But like I said, I doubt they would defend each other but for a few plays.
You think that wouldn't be different if LeBron could handcheck him and play real physical D? It's like comparing tackle football to touch. It's not the same thing.:hammerhead:

[NumberSix]

Almost +1 lol. I still think LBJ would win if they played 1 vs 1. Other than that though you're spot on. I can't say you're wrong for thinking differently. I don't think either would dominate though. There's no way to. It would be better to see Kobe vs MJ being as they play alike.
Not only do I think LeBron would beat Jordan 1-on-1, I think Carmelo Anthony would beat Jordan 1-on-1 too.

[Mr Exlax]

Not only do I think LeBron would beat Jordan 1-on-1, I think Carmelo Anthony would beat Jordan 1-on-1 too.

Negative Ghost Rider. I was yeah at first, but then I actually gave it some thought.

[TheMan]

Almost +1 lol. I still think LBJ would win if they played 1 vs 1. Other than that though you're spot on. I can't say you're wrong for thinking differently. I don't think either would dominate though. There's no way to. It would be better to see Kobe vs MJ being as they play alike.
1 v 1, I could see it being close. Now that LBJ finally has a post game, he could have that big advantage on MJ. On defense, LBJ would have to give MJ space and MJ had one of the best midrange games in basketball history.

I don't think one would dominate the other, LBJ would win some and MJ would win some. As a hoops fan, those would be so awesome to see if we can ever get a time machine...

[sdot_thadon]

Do you have anything to show or game clips or anything about MJ almost shutting down Clyde? I don't recall it honestly. Secondly, that's a 40 lb difference bro.
+1
Lol at 40 lbs not being that big of a difference. Thats the difference between clyde and karl malone or olajuwon..... Mj didn't shut clyde down either, clyde had a couple of bad games in the series and was out played thoroughly but not shut down.

[TheMan]

Hell I think Melo would actually do better than Lebron. Being that he has a better post game and shooting touch.

And I hate Melo lol!
Uh, no.

LBJ can play enough defense on MJ to bother his shot. "Turnstile" Anthony has no shot defending one of the greatest, if not the greatest offensive player in history. MJ would get nothing but clean looks because CA would really have to give MJ space.

Anthony staying in front of MJ ain't happening...

[Mr Exlax]

Uh, no.

LBJ can play enough defense on MJ to bother his shot. "Turnstile" Anthony has not shot defending on of the greatest offensive players in history. MJ would get clean looks because CA would really have to give MJ space.

I ain't gonna lie. I was just coming back to edit that before anybody saw it. I didn't even think about the other side of the ball until about 2 minutes after I typed it lol.

[sdot_thadon]

Uh, no.

LBJ can play enough defense on MJ to bother his shot. "Turnstile" Anthony has not shot defending one of the greatest, if not the greatest offensive players in history. MJ would get nothing but clean looks because CA would really have to give MJ space.

Anthony staying in front of MJ ain't happening...
Lol, yeah Melo would dust off his finest matador scheme.

[clutchinho]

Prime on prime, MJ would have picked Lebron's weak ass mind apart. We would have seen a Lebron meltdown in the playoffs every single year


Even retired, MJ still owning Lebron with his "when he goes left, hes pulling up" scouting report that led to the Kobe block and pauk's 3000 word essay.

[longtime lurker]

If Lebron and Jordan were both in the league in their prime Lebron would be begging Mike to team up with him.

[sdot_thadon]

Prime on prime, MJ would have picked Lebron's weak ass mind apart. We would have seen a Lebron meltdown in the playoffs every single year


Even retired, MJ still owning Lebron with his "when he goes left, hes pulling up" scouting report that led to the Kobe block and pauk's 3000 word essay.
Lol at everything above. Wtf? So LeBron is mentally weak despite going some places Mj has never been as far as willing a team to victory? And that whole going left thing is dumb, he already smashed that to bits within the same season of it being said. As much as we've seen Lebron you'd think everyone would realize his left is and has been his strong hand for quite some time now. When he goes left he has more options, because he is way more comfortable pulling up when he goes left. When he goes right it's usually all the way to the rack cause it's all he's comfortable doing when he goes right. So maybe Mj was right in a sense of once he decides to go right he aint shooting a jumper, but wrong in thinking his left is his weak hand.

[TheMan]

Not only do I think LeBron would beat Jordan 1-on-1, I think Carmelo Anthony would beat Jordan 1-on-1 too.
I don't think you really thought this one through...MJ at the very least would be in Anthony's grill,(he ain't blowing past MJ, lol) always between him and the basket and could at least alter Anthony's shots or make him take or make some difficult ones. If Anthony tries to deny MJ his jumper, nothing but layups and dunks for MJ...if CA stays back to deny that, nothing but clean looks for one of the greatest midrange jump shooters.

Anthony would get destroyed.

[clutchinho]

Lol at everything above. Wtf? So LeBron is mentally weak despite going some places Mj has never been as far as willing a team to victory? And that whole going left thing is dumb, he already smashed that to bits within the same season of it being said. As much as we've seen Lebron you'd think everyone would realize his left is and has been his strong hand for quite some time now. When he goes left he has more options, because he is way more comfortable pulling up when he goes left. When he goes right it's usually all the way to the rack cause it's all he's comfortable doing when he goes right. So maybe Mj was right in a sense of once he decides to go right he aint shooting a jumper, but wrong in thinking his left is his weak hand.

:lol :lol tell me more about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to that MJ hasn't

[clutchinho]

Not only do I think LeBron would beat Jordan 1-on-1, I think Carmelo Anthony would beat Jordan 1-on-1 too.

You're an idiot

Carmelo would score more points against MJ than Lebron though

[sdot_thadon]

:lol :lol tell me more about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to that MJ hasn't
There's no magic left hand, it's just not his weak hand. If you ever picked up a ball you'd know your weak hand is the one you're least comfortable operating with under defensive pressure and you'd be less likely to try too much going that direction. And get back to me when Mj scores 29 of the last 30 against a top 3 defense AND win the game. Or when he totally washed a team out single handedly in an elimination game. Screams of weakness doesn't it? Not saying Mj never did anything on par with those games, but damn Lebron is a strong player in his own right.

[clutchinho]

There's no magic left hand, it's just not his weak hand. If you ever picked up a ball you'd know your weak hand is the one you're least comfortable operating with under defensive pressure and you'd be less likely to try too much going that direction. And get back to me when Mj scores 29 of the last 30 against a top 3 defense AND win the game. Or when he totally washed a team out single handedly in an elimination game. Screams of weakness doesn't it? Not saying Mj never did anything on par with those games, but damn Lebron is a strong player in his own right.

:wtf: are you talking about .

You've just had a 10 minute, 300 word conversation with yourself about Lebron's left hand

Now tell me about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to, that MJ wasn't able to

[dh144498]

:wtf: are you talking about .

You've just had a 10 minute, 300 word conversation with yourself about Lebron's left hand

Now tell me about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to, that MJ wasn't able to

dam.... don't do them like that. :lol

:applause:

[Solefade]

Just a little off topic from what OP posted:

In a 1v1, logic says a 6'8 265 lbs > 6'6 220

obviously size isn't everything but a guy that is skilled AND bigger will always have the advantage in a one on one.

[dh144498]

Just a little off topic from what OP posted:

In a 1v1, logic says a 6'8 265 lbs > 6'6 220

obviously size isn't everything but a guy that is skilled AND bigger will always have the advantage in a one on one.

if lebron is skilled, then MJ has 5 times the skills.

[longtime lurker]

Just a little off topic from what OP posted:

In a 1v1, logic says a 6'8 265 lbs > 6'6 220

obviously size isn't everything but a guy that is skilled AND bigger will always have the advantage in a one on one.

This is true......

http://25.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_miehryw47t1qcmnsoo2_400.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is true......

http://25.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_miehryw47t1qcmnsoo2_400.gif

Yeah...Jordan would toast Jamie. :lol

[Solefade]

:wtf: are you talking about .

You've just had a 10 minute, 300 word conversation with yourself about Lebron's left hand

Now tell me about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to, that MJ wasn't able to


I think what he meant was LeBron has had better individual playoff performances compared to MJ. The only performance I can think of by MJ that would be comparable (where he won) was his Game 4 vs PHX in the finals where he scored 55. It's debatable which performance is better but LBJ's Game 6 was much more impressive IMO.

[Dragonyeuw]

When has Jordan ever stopped somebody that was bigger and stronger than him? People really really think he'd stop Lebron lol?

When Has Lebron stopped anyone as good as MJ?

[andgar923]

Let's just end the convo with this

[Mr Exlax]

:wtf: are you talking about .

You've just had a 10 minute, 300 word conversation with yourself about Lebron's left hand

Now tell me about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to, that MJ wasn't able to

I'm pretty sure he's talking about that less talented team that Lebron took to the NBA Finals. I'm willing to bet that some of the players that were on MJ's championship team turned out to be pretty damn good. What about the players from that Cavs team? That's not a swipe at MJ, but to try and say Lebron is mentally weak is crazy to me.

[Solefade]

if lebron is skilled, then MJ has 5 times the skills.


Lol, Jordan was more skilled but in his prime he wasn't that much more skilled. Jordan relied a lot on his athleticism just like LeBron kinda does now, the old man game came later.

[Mr Exlax]

When Has Lebron stopped anyone as good as MJ?

Good point. I didn't say he could stop MJ though sweet cheeks. So are you gonna answer my initial question or you gonna slow dance all around it? What song you listening to?

[Solefade]

This is true......

http://25.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_miehryw47t1qcmnsoo2_400.gif


Really man...you're going to bring up an All-star game? :hammerhead:


Why don't you go ahead and post some pre-season stuff too.

[Dragonyeuw]

Good point. I didn't say he could stop MJ though sweet cheeks. So are you gonna answer my initial question or you gonna slow dance all around it? What song you listening to?

At the same point you answer mine. Your point was to ask when has MJ ever stopped anyone as big and skilled as Lebron. The answer is that is probably never, to my recollection. Just as long as you acknowledge that Lebron has never stopped anyone as good as MJ either. That argument goes both ways 'sweet cheeks'. :cheers:

Nobody actually said Jordan could stop Lebron before you made your comment, so what exactly was your point in making that statement?

[clutchinho]

Just a little off topic from what OP posted:

In a 1v1, logic says a 6'8 265 lbs > 6'6 220

obviously size isn't everything but a guy that is skilled AND bigger will always have the advantage in a one on one.

MJ is quicker, better first step, higher vertical, more explosive, more agile, more aggressive, mentally tougher,handles the ball better, got a better post game, got a better pullup, and overall more skilled.

But yeah Lebron has a bigger ass and is 2' taller so that means everything... those extra inches really helped him against Jason Terry in the finals


Lebron's iso game is weak, you really think his patented put your head down and bullrush to the basket will work against a prime MJ that's gonna be all over him?

[andgar923]

Lol, Jordan was more skilled but in his prime he wasn't that much more skilled. Jordan relied a lot on his athleticism just like LeBron kinda does now, the old man game came later.

MJ was more skilled as a rookie than Bron is now.

Go back and watch the tapes.

MJ could actually come off curls, had better footwork, step back, was more versatile attacking from either side and angles. The advantage current Bron has, is a better shot and his size. If we want to compare 'prime' MJ to Bron then there truly is NO comparison outside of a 3 pt shot. But if you have to rely on that then you're in trouble.

[Mr Exlax]

At the same point you answer mine. Your point was to ask when has MJ ever stopped anyone as big and skilled as Lebron. The answer is that is probably never, to my recollection. Just as long as you acknowledge that Lebron has never stopped anyone as good as MJ either. That argument goes both ways 'sweet cheeks'. :cheers:

Ahhh ok then you haven't seen my other posts about this topic. Yeah I've never said Lebron was gonna be able to stop Jordan. Great players don't get locked up often. It's damn near impossible. maybe a few games or something like that, but even then, the greats contribute in more ways than points anyway.

[Mr Exlax]

At the same point you answer mine. Your point was to ask when has MJ ever stopped anyone as big and skilled as Lebron. The answer is that is probably never, to my recollection. Just as long as you acknowledge that Lebron has never stopped anyone as good as MJ either. That argument goes both ways 'sweet cheeks'. :cheers:

Nobody actually said Jordan could stop Lebron before you made your comment, so what exactly was your point in making that statement?


Oops I just read the rest of your comment. Yes, everybody's been saying MJ would stop Lebron.

[Fudge]

Dude foreal? Brons got the weakest mindset for a superstar that I've seen in a while. MJ would rip his heart out of his chest and stomp on it.

[NumberSix]

This is true......

http://25.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_miehryw47t1qcmnsoo2_400.gif
You know fouling a shooter isn't actually allowed, right?

[Dragonyeuw]

Oops I just read the rest of your comment. Yes, everybody's been saying MJ would stop Lebron.

When you made your first post, there were only a few comments above yours. The OP suggested that MJ's trashtalking may cause Lebron to fold, or MJ's team would destroy Lebron's. At the time you made your first comment about 'has anyone seen MJ stop anyone like Lebron', no-one had actually come out and said that MJ was capable of 'physically' stopping Lebron, which I'm assuming was the crux of your point. Mentally frustrate him? Maybe 2 years ago, not so much now. But physically stop him? People have only said that after your first post, but not before it.

[sdot_thadon]

:wtf: are you talking about .

You've just had a 10 minute, 300 word conversation with yourself about Lebron's left hand

Now tell me about this magical land that Lebron has willed his team to, that MJ wasn't able to
:applause: nice sidestep, avoid the statement while not adding anything of consequence, hoping no one notices you not knowing what the hell you're talking about.
Try harder.

[Mr Exlax]

When you made your first post, there were only a few comments above yours. The OP suggested that MJ's trashtalking may cause Lebron to fold, or MJ's team would destroy Lebron's. At the time you made your first comment about 'has anyone seen MJ stop anyone like Lebron', no-one had actually come out and said that MJ was capable of 'physically' stopping Lebron, which I'm assuming was the crux of your point. Mentally frustrate him? Maybe 2 years ago, not so much now. But physically stop him? People have only said that after your first post, but not before it.

That's this thread. It's been all over the place in the last couple of weeks. The thread wasn't even about that actually. I hijacked it I guess. Again though, you'd have to have read my other posts and seen the posts in all the other threads.

[dh144498]

:applause: nice sidestep, avoid the statement while not adding anything of consequence, hoping no one notices you not knowing what the hell you're talking about.
Try harder.

he's right, you know. You hadn't mentioned anything Lebron has done that MJ hasn't in regards to willing the team to the win. If anything MJ is the one way ahead in that department.

[Mr Exlax]

he's right, you know. You hadn't mentioned anything Lebron has done that MJ hasn't in regards to willing the team to the win. If anything MJ is the one way ahead in that department.

Huh? Look at the players MJ had on his team. I think they're historically better than the teams Lebron has had. From top to bottom. Coaching has to factor in as well. Look how the players on the Cavs turned out vs the players that were on the Bulls. Hell look at the Heat team too. Great in Dwade the first season. Really good Bosh. Ray Allen way past his prime. What else you got so far? Compare that to those Bulls teams.

[clutchinho]

:applause: nice sidestep, avoid the statement while not adding anything of consequence, hoping no one notices you not knowing what the hell you're talking about.
Try harder.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

fk me, ur dumb

[sdot_thadon]

he's right, you know. You hadn't mentioned anything Lebron has done that MJ hasn't in regards to willing the team to the win. If anything MJ is the one way ahead in that department.
How not? I gave two specific games that Mj never replicated. In the context that Lebron accomplished those two games, the pressure was great both times and he basically stood on an island and destroyed both teams.

[sdot_thadon]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

fk me, ur dumb
Man, let's be real one liners and avoiding arguments is weak. Add something to discussion.

[clutchinho]

Huh? Look at the players MJ had on his team. I think they're historically better than the teams Lebron has had. From top to bottom. Coaching has to factor in as well. Look how the players on the Cavs turned out vs the players that were on the Bulls. Hell look at the Heat team too. Great in Dwade the first season. Really good Bosh. Ray Allen way past his prime. What else you got so far? Compare that to those Bulls teams.


The Cavs were playing in one of the weakest conferences in the history of the NBA, without exaggeration MJ would have been in the finals almost every single year if he played in the East in Lebron's era.

In that year he made the finals, he played a Wizards team without their 2 best players in the first round, and a .500 nets team in the 2nd round. If you're measuring yourself up against the GOAT, you gotta find something more impressive than that.

[longtime lurker]

You know fouling a shooter isn't actually allowed, right?

What ref are you going to cry to in a one on one game?

[Mr Exlax]

The Cavs were playing in one of the weakest conferences in the history of the NBA, without exaggeration MJ would have been in the finals almost every single year if he played in the East in Lebron's era.

In that year he made the finals, he played a Wizards team without their 2 best players in the first round, and a .500 nets team in the 2nd round. If you're measuring yourself up against the GOAT, you gotta find something more impressive than that.

Those are the only 2 teams Lebron played before reaching the Finals that season? I could've sworn he played against a really really good Detroit Pistons team too.

[Dragonyeuw]

That's this thread. It's been all over the place in the last couple of weeks. The thread wasn't even about that actually. I hijacked it I guess. Again though, you'd have to have read my other posts and seen the posts in all the other threads.

Ok well I can only speak to what I see in this thread, and what was posted above you when you made that comment. Anyways, I think we have an understanding now.

[sekachu]

Do you have anything to show or game clips or anything about MJ almost shutting down Clyde? I don't recall it honestly. Secondly, that's a 40 lb difference bro.



Find me one instance where Clyde drexeler beat off MJ in "one on one" in 92 final.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Find me one instance where Clyde drexeler beat off MJ in "one on one" in 92 final.


Good luck finding any evidence of Drexler giving Mj a hand job in 92

[Mr Exlax]

Find me one instance where Clyde drexeler beat off MJ in "one on one" in 92 final.

Ummm I think I know what you mean, but I'm not gonna search for anything. I never really do. I just try to use my memory.

[Solefade]

Good luck finding any evidence of Drexler giving Mj a hand job in 92
:lol

[dh144498]

Good luck finding any evidence of Drexler giving Mj a hand job in 92

:lol
:roll:

[guy]

Lets do the hypothetical and put the 1985-1993 Bulls in the NBA from 2005-2013 in place of the actual Bulls.

2004
Cavs - no playoffs
(ROY - Lebron)

2005
Cavs - no playoffs
1985 Bulls - lose in 1st round
(ROY - Jordan)

2006
Cavs - 4th seed lose to Pistons in 2nd round
1986 Bulls - no playoffs

2007
Cavs - 2nd seed lose to Spurs in Finals
1987 Bulls - 5th seed lose to the Pistons in 2nd round
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2008
Cavs - 5th seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1988 Bulls - 3rd seed lose to Celtics in ECF
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2009
Cavs - 1st seed lose to 1989 Bulls in 2nd round
1989 Bulls - 4th seed lose to Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2010
Cavs - 1st seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1990 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2011
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1991 Bulls in ECF
1991 Bulls - 1st seed beat Mavs in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2012
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1992 Bulls in ECF
1992 Bulls - 1st seed beat Thunder in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2013
Heat - 1st seed lose to 1993 Bulls in ECF
1993 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Spurs in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

Jordan - 4x champ, 5x Finals, 3x MVP, 7x scoring champ
Lebron - 3x MVP, 1x Finals

Head-to-Head PO series: Jordan 4, Lebron 0 :banana:

[dh144498]

Lets do the hypothetical and put the 1985-1993 Bulls in the NBA from 2005-2013 in place of the actual Bulls.

2004
Cavs - no playoffs
(ROY - Lebron)

2005
Cavs - no playoffs
1985 Bulls - lose in 1st round
(ROY - Jordan)

2006
Cavs - 4th seed lose to Pistons in 2nd round
1986 Bulls - no playoffs

2007
Cavs - 2nd seed lose to Spurs in Finals
1987 Bulls - 5th seed lose to the Pistons in 2nd round
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2008
Cavs - 5th seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1988 Bulls - 3rd seed lose to Celtics in ECF
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2009
Cavs - 1st seed lose to 1989 Bulls in 2nd round
1989 Bulls - 4th seed lose to Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2010
Cavs - 1st seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1990 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2011
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1991 Bulls in ECF
1991 Bulls - 1st seed beat Mavs in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2012
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1992 Bulls in ECF
1992 Bulls - 1st seed beat Thunder in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2013
Heat - 1st seed lose to 1993 Bulls in ECF
1993 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Spurs in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

Jordan - 4x champ, 5x Finals, 3x MVP, 7x scoring champ
Lebron - 3x MVP, 1x Finals

Head-to-Head PO series: Jordan 4, Lebron 0 :banana:

I think the Bulls would get to at least the 2nd round every year.
:coleman:

[buddha]

Lets do the hypothetical and put the 1985-1993 Bulls in the NBA from 2005-2013 in place of the actual Bulls.

2004
Cavs - no playoffs
(ROY - Lebron)

2005
Cavs - no playoffs
1985 Bulls - lose in 1st round
(ROY - Jordan)

2006
Cavs - 4th seed lose to Pistons in 2nd round
1986 Bulls - no playoffs

2007
Cavs - 2nd seed lose to Spurs in Finals
1987 Bulls - 5th seed lose to the Pistons in 2nd round
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2008
Cavs - 5th seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1988 Bulls - 3rd seed lose to Celtics in ECF
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2009
Cavs - 1st seed lose to 1989 Bulls in 2nd round
1989 Bulls - 4th seed lose to Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2010
Cavs - 1st seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1990 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2011
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1991 Bulls in ECF
1991 Bulls - 1st seed beat Mavs in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2012
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1992 Bulls in ECF
1992 Bulls - 1st seed beat Thunder in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2013
Heat - 1st seed lose to 1993 Bulls in ECF
1993 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Spurs in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

Jordan - 4x champ, 5x Finals, 3x MVP, 7x scoring champ
Lebron - 3x MVP, 1x Finals

Head-to-Head PO series: Jordan 4, Lebron 0 :banana:

what a complete waste of ****ing time. all that text to get absolutely ****ing nowhere. great ****ing job.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lets do the hypothetical and put the 1985-1993 Bulls in the NBA from 2005-2013 in place of the actual Bulls.

2004
Cavs - no playoffs
(ROY - Lebron)

2005
Cavs - no playoffs
1985 Bulls - lose in 1st round
(ROY - Jordan)

2006
Cavs - 4th seed lose to Pistons in 2nd round
1986 Bulls - no playoffs

2007
Cavs - 2nd seed lose to Spurs in Finals
1987 Bulls - 5th seed lose to the Pistons in 2nd round
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2008
Cavs - 5th seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1988 Bulls - 3rd seed lose to Celtics in ECF
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2009
Cavs - 1st seed lose to 1989 Bulls in 2nd round
1989 Bulls - 4th seed lose to Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2010
Cavs - 1st seed lose to Celtics in 2nd round
1990 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Lakers in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2011
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1991 Bulls in ECF
1991 Bulls - 1st seed beat Mavs in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2012
Heat - 2nd seed lose to 1992 Bulls in ECF
1992 Bulls - 1st seed beat Thunder in Finals
(MVP - Jordan)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

2013
Heat - 1st seed lose to 1993 Bulls in ECF
1993 Bulls - 2nd seed beat Spurs in Finals
(MVP - Lebron)
(Scoring Champ - Jordan)

Jordan - 4x champ, 5x Finals, 3x MVP, 7x scoring champ
Lebron - 3x MVP, 1x Finals

Head-to-Head PO series: Jordan 4, Lebron 0 :banana:

Uhh, Lebron isn't winning back to back MVP's with '89 and '90 Jordan in THIS league.

Is this Indian guy's alt? :oldlol:

[Solefade]

what a complete waste of ****ing time. all that text to get absolutely ****ing nowhere. great ****ing job.

Seriously, what a load of junk lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

Uhh Lebron isn't winning back to back MVP's with '89 and '90 Jordan in THIS league.

Is this Indian guy's alt? Be honest. :oldlol:
Oh, EXPOSED

:oldlol:

And agreed. You might have a case with 2009 or 2010 LeBron over '89 MJ for MVP. Maybe. It's arguable, though.

But 1990 MJ? It's a crime he didn't win MVP that season, and I shutter to think what he'd do in this soft ass perimeter defense league. And don't throw "zone" stuff at me.

MJ is a superior off the ball cutter, defense reader than LeBron, Kobe, Wade, or Durant, and he'd slash into soft spots in the zone and KILL off catch and shoots. Seeing as how he does that better than the afore mentioned guys as well.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh, EXPOSED

:oldlol:

And agreed. You might have a case with 2009 or 2010 LeBron over '89 MJ for MVP. Maybe. It's arguable, though.

But 1990 MJ? It's a crime he didn't win MVP that season, and I shutter to think what he'd do in this soft ass perimeter defense league. And don't throw "zone" stuff at me.

MJ is a superior off the ball cutter, defense reader than LeBron, Kobe, Wade, or Durant, and he'd slash into soft spots in the zone and KILL off catch and shoots. Seeing as how he does that better than the afore mentioned guys as well.

Absolutely to the bold.

I got Lebron winning one of those MVPs, no doubt, but don't sleep on '89 MJ, bro. The guy averaged 32/8/8 on 53% shooting. :oldlol: People underrate that season. Matter of fact, Mike said it was his best (and this was in the summer of '91).

[SamuraiSWISH]

Absolutely to the bold.

I got Lebron winning one of those MVPs, no doubt, but don't sleep on '89 MJ, bro. The guy averaged 32/8/8 on 53% shooting. :oldlol: People underrate that season. Matter of fact, Mike said it was his best (and this was in the summer of '91).
I'm not underrating it, you know he's my guy all-time. 10 times out of 10 I'm rolling with MJ, put him against whoever you want: Shaq, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Bron, Kobe ... I'm taking Jordan, no contest.

Reason I said it's arguable, is because 2009 and 2010 LeBron, apart from the mental fragility, he was rather impressive. And 1990 MJ had just started lifting weights, so he could take physical punishment a little bit better, and his jumper was improving each and every year. In fact, in 1990 he shot extremely well percentage wise from distance. They even invited him to the three point contest in the all-star weekend that season if I remember correctly.

I'm just saying it's arguable in a un-biased perspective. I personally am taking MJ, and you know it. It's criminal MJ didn't win MVPs in '89 and '90. Dragging weak ass squads, with LeBron esque mental fragility young Pippen to the ECF and pushing the eventual champions to the limit.

Oh, and that 1990 playoff series from MJ against Barkley's Sixers is straight up LEGENDARY type performances. I think he had 3 45+ point games that series.

Nice Batman-esque detective work BTW spotting Indian Guy's alternate. You've always been one of the better ones at spotting posters typing tendencies to recognize who they are. Color me impressed. The username makes sense too. I think he failed to log into his pro LeBron username (Indian Guy) ... (guy) is usually the pro MJ username.

[Jacks3]

Jordan would shit on LeBron.

[RRR3]

Wait MJ was a better catch and shoot player than Durant? I didn't watch Jordan, so I could very well be wrong about this, but Durant is pretty f'ing great at catching and shooting when I watch him.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wait MJ was a better catch and shoot player than Durant? I didn't watch Jordan, so I could very well be wrong about this, but Durant is pretty f'ing great at catching and shooting when I watch him.
At worse they are comparable. Durant is closest in terms of that skill set, that conveniently gets overlooked by people who claim LeBron / Kobe are better all around players than Jordan or are great all around players period.

Playing without the ball, and still being a threat, knowing when to pass and cut to slash, or catch and shoot is a skill set often overlooked and no longer practiced. Everything is ball in hand NOW.

Even Iverson was better at this than Kobe, LeBron, or Wade. In fact by 2001, Iverson very much played like Reggie Miller, RIP Hamilton, Ray Allen, but with the ability to create off the dribble.

Durant is probably best at catch and shoot among the game's current superstars. It's also no coincidence that this skill is also what made him so beastly in the FIBA 2010 tournament. In a more physical game, where you have to swing the ball, the ability to catch and shoot separates you and creates massive problems for defenses.

And yes, MJ was a great catch and shoot player. Or, if triple teamed, a great dump off pass and cut to the hole immediately to free defensive attention and get easy looks at the rim.

Superior basketball intelligence, right there from Jordan compared to LeBron or Kobe. He didn't hold onto the ball too long, was able to put pressure on a defense without the ball, while also letting his teammates get the rock to make plays. That ability makes a superstar more effective on multiple levels. Both individually, and as a leader.

[RRR3]

At worse they are comparable. Durant is closest in terms of that skill set, that conveniently gets overlooked by people who claim LeBron / Kobe are better all around players than Jordan or are great all around players period.

Playing without the ball, and still being a threat, knowing when to pass and cut to slash, or catch and shoot is a skill set often overlooked and no longer practiced. Everything is ball in hand NOW.

Even Iverson was better at this than Kobe, LeBron, or Wade. In fact by 2001, Iverson very much played like Reggie Miller, RIP Hamilton, Ray Allen, but with the ability to create off the dribble.

Durant is probably best at catch and shoot among the game's current superstars. It's also no coincidence that this skill is also what made him so beastly in the FIBA 2010 tournament. In a more physical game, where you have to swing the ball, the ability to catch and shoot separates you and creates massive problems for defenses.

And yes, MJ was a great catch and shoot player. Or, if triple teamed, a great dump off pass and cut to the hole immediately to free defensive attention and get easy looks at the rim.

Superior basketball intelligence, right there from Jordan compared to LeBron or Kobe. He didn't hold onto the ball too long, was able to put pressure on a defense without the ball, while also letting his teammates get the rock to make plays. That ability makes a superstar more effective on multiple levels. Both individually, and as a leader.
Yeah, a lot of superstars prefer to dominate the ball it seems. I think T-Mac was pretty good at catching and shooting, though, but he dominated the ball a lot.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And 1990 MJ had just started lifting weights, so he could take physical punishment a little bit better, and his jumper was improving each and every year.

Good point. I remember Mike saying he used it specifically to counteract the beating he was taking from the Pistons in the playoffs (typical MJ, always looking for another advantage :oldlol:).


I'm just saying it's arguable in a un-biased perspective. I personally am taking MJ, and you know it. It's criminal MJ didn't win MVPs in '89 and '90. Dragging weak ass squads, with LeBron esque mental fragility young Pippen to the ECF and pushing the eventual champions to the limit.

For sure. I could see '09 Lebron winning an MVP. Dude did some serious heavy-lifting himself.


Oh, and that 1990 playoff series from MJ against Barkley's Sixers is straight up LEGENDARY type performances. I think he had 3 45+ point games that series.

Nice Batman-esque detective work BTW spotting Indian Guy's alternate. You've always been one of the better ones at spotting posters typing tendencies to recognize who they are. Color me impressed. The username makes sense too. I think he failed to log into his pro LeBron username (Indian Guy) ... (guy) is usually the pro MJ username.

That series was epic. Same with his perfromance(s) vs. the Bucks. Even in a loss, Gm 3 vs Milwaukee, in Milwaukee, might be one of my favorite Jordan games....ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeNQWVa0RQ -- absolute destruction

About guy: I don't know if he's IG, it's just odd that he would give Lebron those 2 MVP's. In reality, there's no version of Lebron that can **** with MJ from '89-'93.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Good luck finding any evidence of Drexler giving Mj a hand job in 92
:oldlol:

No, but MJ definitely sodomized Drexler on national television that series.

[andgar923]

Wait MJ was a better catch and shoot player than Durant? I didn't watch Jordan, so I could very well be wrong about this, but Durant is pretty f'ing great at catching and shooting when I watch him.

They certainly are comparable.

MJ made a killing off the catch and shoot and shot a high percentage. The advantage Durant has is his range, but inside the 3pt line they're very comparable. Hell, MJ has the advantage when it comes to the other factors such as moving without the ball, shaking defenders, decision making.

[guy]

Nice Batman-esque detective work BTW spotting Indian Guy's alternate. You've always been one of the better ones at spotting posters typing tendencies to recognize who they are. Color me impressed. The username makes sense too. I think he failed to log into his pro LeBron username (Indian Guy) ... (guy) is usually the pro MJ username.

:oldlol: WOW. You take this board way too seriously.

And I thought people were going to accuse me of being too bias towards Jordan :oldlol:

[guy]

About guy: I don't know if he's IG, it's just odd that he would give Lebron those 2 MVP's. In reality, there's no version of Lebron that can **** with MJ from '89-'93.

No I'm not. I assumed you were respectfully joking, while some others took it too seriously. I mean, did anyone notice that despite me saying Lebron would win MVP that I said 89 Jordan would knock 09 Lebron out of the playoffs, and 90 Jordan would lead the 90 Bulls to the title in 2010?

MVP doesn't mean he would be a better player. 1989 Magic, 1990 Magic, 1990 Barkley, 1993 Barkley, and 1993 Hakeem also beat Jordan in MVP voting those years. I wouldn't say they were ****ing with him either those years. I wasn't basing this on who I think was better, but who I think the voters would've voted for based on history.

My logic is simple. Lebron led the 09 Cavs to 66 wins, Jordan led the 89 Bulls to 47 wins. Now, I do think that the 1989 Bulls in a weaker EC like 2009 would've won more, but its too much of a jump to say that they would've gotten close to 19 more wins, more like 9-10 more wins at the most.

For 2010, Lebron led the Cavs to 61 wins, while those 90 Bulls actually won 55. Again, I could see them winning much more in a weaker EC, but Lebron did take like 5-6 games off to rest up since they had clinched the East. With the 1990 Bulls around, I assume he wouldn't since it would've been a tight race to the end of seasons. I see them ending up with similar records, with the MVP tiebreaker being the perception that Lebron had a worse team around him since 1990 Pippen was better then anyone on his team. This could go either way IMO, but based on that and just to try and be unbiased, I gave it to Lebron.

[guy]

what a complete waste of ****ing time. all that text to get absolutely ****ing nowhere. great ****ing job.

Ummm tell me where you disagree so strongly?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No I'm not. I assumed you were respectfully joking

Yeah, don't take it personally. I was only ribbing 'ya. :oldlol:


I mean, did anyone notice that despite me saying Lebron would win MVP that I said 89 Jordan would knock 09 Lebron out of the playoffs, and 90 Jordan would lead the 90 Bulls to the title in 2010?

MVP doesn't mean he would be a better player. 1989 Magic, 1990 Magic, 1990 Barkley, 1993 Barkley, and 1993 Hakeem also beat Jordan in MVP voting those years. I wouldn't say they were ****ing with him either those years. I wasn't basing this on who I think was better, but who I think the voters would've voted for based on history.

My logic is simple. Lebron led the 09 Cavs to 66 wins, Jordan led the 89 Bulls to 47 wins. Now, I do think that the 1989 Bulls in a weaker EC like 2009 would've won more, but its too much of a jump to say that they would've gotten close to 19 more wins, more like 9-10 more wins at the most.

For 2010, Lebron led the Cavs to 61 wins, while those 90 Bulls actually won 55. Again, I could see them winning much more in a weaker EC, but Lebron did take like 5-6 games off to rest up since they had clinched the East. With the 1990 Bulls around, I assume he wouldn't since it would've been a tight race to the end of seasons. I see them ending up with similar records, with the MVP tiebreaker being the perception that Lebron had a worse team around him since 1990 Pippen was better then anyone on his team. This could go either way IMO, but based on that and just to try and be unbiased, I gave it to Lebron.

That, along with today's lax perimeter rules, are why I was kinda thrown off by you giving Bron those MVP's. Not a big deal, just a little different to me.

[Blue&Orange]

lol Lebron stans talking about Lebron size...

This is how lebron uses his size today,

Going to the corner, play off ball, running through a screen, catch the pass and hopefully getting a easy layup.

Waste 22 seconds of the clock asking for two screens to get rid of George, without success thus passing the ball with 2 second left on the clock to wade.



Lebron would not even try to beat Jordan one on one, let alone actually beat him :lol

[Blue&Orange]

Just to further prove my point


Lebron wastes all the shotclock asking for a isolation because Hill is on him, gets shutdown by Hill, again passes the ball to Wade with 1 second left

:lol

GOAT!


Wade must be pissed at Lebron, his efficiency is dropping because of LEbron and his last second bailout passes.




Yeah Jordan would tremble with fear :roll: