Mayweather vs. Canelo- September 14,2013

[MJ(Mean John)]

Wow. This will be a sick ass fight

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Floyd UD

[ispin69]

Sounds good when I read about it on yahoo front page but you already know its a Mayweather fight, guaranteed to be BORING and full of defense. He will win by decision. I give him respect, best defensive boxer around. But this is entertainment we're talking about, just like hockey and soccer...BORING.

I don't know how Canelo already has 42 fights under him at that age while Mayweather has a 44-0 record and look how old he is. I was impressed with Canelo Alvarez, he's young and talented but no way he has faced anyone with Mayweathers defense. Everyone from Cotto to Mosley to Ortiz, they just can't deal with not being able to land a good punch on him while he ducks and turns. Eventually they will lose by points. Anyone who buys the fight is an idiot.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Sounds good when I read about it on yahoo front page but you already know its a Mayweather fight, guaranteed to be BORING and full of defense. He will win by decision. I give him respect, best defensive boxer around. But this is entertainment we're talking about, just like hockey and soccer...BORING.

I don't know how Canelo already has 42 fights under him at that age while Mayweather has a 44-0 record and look how old he is. I was impressed with Canelo Alvarez, he's young and talented but no way he has faced anyone with Mayweathers defense. Everyone from Cotto to Mosley to Ortiz, they just can't deal with not being able to land a good punch on him while he ducks and turns. Eventually they will lose by points. Anyone who buys the fight is an idiot.
If you're a true fan of the sport you wouldn't find floyd boring. it's a bit like saying tim duncan is boring. He's infinitely more entertaining than pacquiao (at least to me). feint-jab-left combo 100x a fight.

[RedBlackAttack]

If you're a true fan of the sport you wouldn't find floyd boring. it's a bit like saying tim duncan is boring. He's infinitely more entertaining than pacquiao (at least to me). feint-jab-left combo 100x a fight.
Exactly. If all you love are all-out brawls, you are a fan of brawls, not boxing. It is called the sweet science for a reason. The entire point is to hit and not be hit. It isn't, "Let me see if I can hit harder than you... Now, just stand there... Don't move."

[DonDadda59]

Sounds good when I read about it on yahoo front page but you already know its a Mayweather fight, guaranteed to be BORING and full of defense. He will win by decision. I give him respect, best defensive boxer around. But this is entertainment we're talking about, just like hockey and soccer...BORING.

I don't know how Canelo already has 42 fights under him at that age while Mayweather has a 44-0 record and look how old he is. I was impressed with Canelo Alvarez, he's young and talented but no way he has faced anyone with Mayweathers defense. Everyone from Cotto to Mosley to Ortiz, they just can't deal with not being able to land a good punch on him while he ducks and turns. Eventually they will lose by points. Anyone who buys the fight is an idiot.

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

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actually made me lol. thanks for that.

[RedBlackAttack]

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I don't get the catchweight but oh well
specially for someone who always said no catchweights, I want to fight guys at their best...
:oldlol:

I knew there would be a caveat. This is not Mayweather's first catch-weight. It is just his most reasonable one.

[Beatlezz]

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I don't get the catchweight but oh well
specially for someone who always said no catchweights, I want to fight guys at their best...

152 is fine. I give Floyd credit for making this fight happen. :applause:

[Beatlezz]

is there a rehydration clause in the conntract?

No.

[magic chiongson]

why are we still arguing the details lol...at least both are fighting now :D

[magic chiongson]

Exactly. If all you love are all-out brawls, you are a fan of brawls, not boxing. It is called the sweet science for a reason. The entire point is to hit and not be hit. It isn't, "Let me see if I can hit harder than you... Now, just stand there... Don't move."

i like boxing, i like brawls.

i also like basketball. i love watching jordan, barkley, kobe, i don't like watching tim duncan, karl malone, john stockton. i like watching the nash-led suns, i don't like the 2004 pistons.

[RedBlackAttack]

oh which were the other ones? I don't remember...
I'm just saying. I remember Floyd saying the doesn't fight at catchweights. but yeah that 2 pounds is not a big deal

Marquez was negotiated at a catchweight.

[RedBlackAttack]

i like boxing, i like brawls.

i also like basketball. i love watching jordan, barkley, kobe, i don't like watching tim duncan, karl malone, john stockton. i like watching the nash-led suns, i don't like the 2004 pistons.
I like boxing. I like brawls.

That's just not ALL I like. That is the point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Marquez was negotiated at a catchweight.
was it re-negotiated to 146 OR WW? :confusedshrug:

[magic chiongson]

I like boxing. I like brawls.

That's just not ALL I like. That is the point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make.
my point is, boxing is not all sweet science. brawls are a big part of boxing, otherwise it should have its own sport. anyway lets get back to floyd canelo lol

[magic chiongson]

was it re-negotiated to 146 OR WW? :confusedshrug:

it was 144 iirc, mayweather came in at 146 lbs and paid a fine. technically he cheated, but he'd still beat marquez easily even if he came in a bit dehydrated :D

canelo's no better either, he fought at 150 or was it 151 against mathew hatton on a 154lb title fight. he was around 20 that time tho and could use growing up as an excuse.

[RedBlackAttack]

it was 144 iirc, mayweather came in at 146 lbs and paid a fine. technically he cheated, but he'd still beat marquez easily even if he came in a bit dehydrated :D

canelo's no better either, he fought at 150 or was it 151 against mathew hatton on a 154lb title fight. he was around 20 that time tho and could use growing up as an excuse.
It was a disgrace for Floyd to do what he did to Marquez. Massive disrespect to a great fighter. The weight would have made no difference, which is why I was so baffled at Floyd making no attempt to come in at the limit.

It was one of the moments in Floyd's career where I thought the amount of criticism he routinely receives was justified. He was eating crackers or something at the weigh-in... Terrible.

Still, he negotiated a catchweight for that fight.

[andremiller07]

The PPV numbers for this gonan be another massive pay day for May, hopefully he schools the young lion not really a fan of Canelo even though he is a good fighter.

[bdreason]

Exactly. If all you love are all-out brawls, you are a fan of brawls, not boxing. It is called the sweet science for a reason. The entire point is to hit and not be hit. It isn't, "Let me see if I can hit harder than you... Now, just stand there... Don't move."


The point is also to finish your opponent, or at least attempt to finish your opponent. My only problem with Mayweather is when he displays that he is far superior to his opponent, but refuses to even take the slightest chance and attempt to finish the fight.


Props to Mayweather for taking the fight people want to see though.

[K]

I don't understand why people watch 145 lbs (58 kg) men fight. They could punch my stomach all day and it would tickle.

When I want to see fighting I want to see massive guys stronger than me (or at least closer than that) so that it's realistic to me.

[magic chiongson]

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[RedBlackAttack]

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[Beatlezz]

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[Beatlezz]

floyd knocked out the big show you fool!

and Mosley beat Shaq. :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Canelo FTW

[Dwade305]

According to multiple sauces it was either 154 for Canelo with a rehydration clause, or 152 without one. I think the latter is the fairest, and hopefully for Canelo he doesnt come in as heavy as the Trout fight, were he gassed out and looked slow on his feet majority of the fight

[plowking]

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[G-Funk]

This is gonna be good, I think I'm going to this one

[Reef]

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[iamgine]

Exactly. If all you love are all-out brawls, you are a fan of brawls, not boxing. It is called the sweet science for a reason. The entire point is to hit and not be hit. It isn't, "Let me see if I can hit harder than you... Now, just stand there... Don't move."
Disagree, you can dislike a certain aspect of boxing and still be a fan of it. What if a boxer just run away the whole fight and just do the bare minimum jabs to ensure a victory? Clearly it's a good, safe strategy and he's displaying awesome footwork but what a boring fight that would be.

[K]

First off, you're an idiot. 145lbs is 65kg. 152lbs is 69kg.

Second of all, they'd demolish you.
I'm 6'2 and 215lbs, fought amateur fights at 225lbs, and I have no doubt I'd get schooled by them, and possibly knocked out, even with the 2 years or so I've been practicing boxing.

I accidently did 2.5 conversion instead of 2.2. Not quite as small then.

I would take them down with my Ju-Jutzu and massive weight advantage. I could easily take a few of their kitten paw punches until then. I'm exaggerating but whenever I see these little guys fight I think of cute things like kitten and puppies. i can't help it when i watch them fight. it's not even fighting but more like dancing...

I imagine real fights and what I think they could do to me. i want to see guys fight that could seriously hurt me quickly. So i'm not interested in watching them fight with strict rules against each other. it just does nothing except for making me think of cute kittens and puppies.

maybe we could put two of them together against a big guy and make it interesting. otherwise :sleeping

[magic chiongson]

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[Burgz V2]

Floyd by unanimous decision. I just don't think Alvarez mixes up his punches enough to be able to bother Floyd. As we saw in the last fight Floyd's hand speed and movement are still elite, even if not like he was in his prime. The only problem I foresee is how Floyd's hand heals up, if he breaks it early in the fight Canelo will have a chance to steal this one.


152 is fine. I give Floyd credit for making this fight happen. :applause:

152 is a good weight to fight at for both parties. Making Canelo drop weight would make everyone cry out that he wants to take away Canelo's power, but fighting at a higher weight so soon after his last fight and winning this fight especially will silence all his detractors.

[SourPatchKids]

Why is Mayweather only fighting twice a year?

[Burgz V2]

Why is Mayweather only fighting twice a year?

in the last 7 years he's only fought twice in a year once.

twice a year is an improvement.

he has a history of breaking his hand so fighting any sooner than 6 months wouldn't give him much time to rest and start/complete his training regimen.

[raiderfan19]

I just don't see how Canelo poses a challenge for Floyd. You aren't going to one hit ko Floyd and Canelo doesn't have the gas tank to out work Floyd for a decision or finish him with flurries. The only way this is even close is if Floyd gets old overnight. That said props to both men for making the fight people want to see. Floyd is a fairly tough negotiator and Canelo is so beloved he could have easily waited and made this fight a year or two later when Floyd is older while making money fighting relatively easy fights but he agreed to the catchweight and made it happen. Floyd could have continued making 30 mil a fight to fight people no one wanted to see but he took a fight with what is at least perceived as a challenge

[Cangri]

I just don't see how Canelo poses a challenge for Floyd. You aren't going to one hit ko Floyd and Canelo doesn't have the gas tank to out work Floyd for a decision or finish him with flurries. The only way this is even close is if Floyd gets old overnight. That said props to both men for making the fight people want to see. Floyd is a fairly tough negotiator and Canelo is so beloved he could have easily waited and made this fight a year or two later when Floyd is older while making money fighting relatively easy fights but he agreed to the catchweight and made it happen. Floyd could have continued making 30 mil a fight to fight people no one wanted to see but he took a fight with what is at least perceived as a challenge
With his size advantage alone he will give Floyd problems. The guy comes in close to 170, Floyd comes in at 154 max.

[raiderfan19]

With his size advantage alone he will give Floyd problems. The guy comes in close to 170, Floyd comes in at 154 max.
It would be a mistake to come in quite that heavy. Rehydrating that much takes a ton out of you cardio wise and his cardio sucks anyway.

[LJJ]

Why is Mayweather only fighting twice a year?

To maximize his earning potential.

[Burgz V2]

With his size advantage alone he will give Floyd problems. The guy comes in close to 170, Floyd comes in at 154 max.

It would be extremely stupid to come in at 170.

[magic chiongson]

Why is Mayweather only fighting twice a year?

show [B]K

[lefthook00]

152 is not ideal but we gotta live with it, and it has the potential to make for a better fight. Canelo seems to have cardio problems, so hopefully he will control his between fight ballooning and start training camp a bit further out and at a lighter weight and put in the extra roadwork.

[Bobcats2013]

It would be extremely stupid to come in at 170.

No it won't. Canelo isn't quick anyway. His style relies on explosive power and baiting.

[Draz]

Floyd is best at what he does. He's trying to keep this record going.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Sounds good when I read about it on yahoo front page but you already know its a Mayweather fight, guaranteed to be BORING and full of defense. He will win by decision. I give him respect, best defensive boxer around. But this is entertainment we're talking about, just like hockey and soccer...BORING.

I don't know how Canelo already has 42 fights under him at that age while Mayweather has a 44-0 record and look how old he is. I was impressed with Canelo Alvarez, he's young and talented but no way he has faced anyone with Mayweathers defense. Everyone from Cotto to Mosley to Ortiz, they just can't deal with not being able to land a good punch on him while he ducks and turns. Eventually they will lose by points. Anyone who buys the fight is an idiot.

People are always going to complain. OF course Canelo has never seen anyone with MAyweather's defense because he is the best fighter :oldlol:

How can you shit on anyone that buys the fight? Who else do you want him to fight?

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

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I don't get the catchweight but oh well
specially for someone who always said no catchweights, I want to fight guys at their best...

152 it better than 147.

and seeing Canelo vs Mayweather is better than not seeing it.

[Pointguard]

I'm surprised Floyd took the fight so soon - he had nothing to lose if he made it late Oct. After awhile, basically Floyd's whole career, his body gets used to having a certain amount of rest between fights. Especially if you are trying to gain weight and the hand problem resurfaces. Gaining weight isn't the best thing if your hand is hurting. Mayweather might have to finish a future fight with one hand and the bigger fighters will tax that hand the most.

I'm sure Mayweather saw the fighters they had in common and sees the win - I agree with Floyd. But the hand, rest between fights, and a hungry fighter can flip the script. To me this is the most interesting of all of his possible fights.

[RedBlackAttack]

Disagree, you can dislike a certain aspect of boxing and still be a fan of it. What if a boxer just run away the whole fight and just do the bare minimum jabs to ensure a victory? Clearly it's a good, safe strategy and he's displaying awesome footwork but what a boring fight that would be.
The goal is still to hit and not be hit. Also, if a guy is "running away," that isn't good boxing technique in the first place. Cory Spinks is a good example of a guy who tried to apply the defensive strategy and was successful to a certain extent, but he was maddening to watch. He really did employ the jab/run philosophy.

I can understand not liking to watch a guy like that. Hell, I couldn't stand watching him fight.

Mayweather, though? First of all, he doesn't run. The whole strategy of his adaptation of the Philly Shell is to lure opponents into throwing punches which leave them open to counters. He will even intentionally put his back to the ropes, because he has that much confidence in his defense... Not running, but slipping, blocking, anticipating and -- occasionally -- rolling with punches that get through.

The idea that Mayweather "runs" has always been overblown. He will command the ring like any great fighter and he is one of the best I've ever seen at measuring the distance of his opponent, where his punches will be maximized and his opponent's will be minimized, but that is just intelligent fighting.


I think a lot of the frustration about Floyd is that he yaps so much and is so good at hyping a fight, people want to see him take hard punches and get KTFO. When he finally does step in the ring and his opponents can't get a good shot in, the viewers (most of whom watch to see him lose) get frustrated and resort to the "chicken" stuff.

I will say that he is often apprehensive to go for the kill when he has a guy on the verge of being stopped. I guess I can see why people might get frustrated with that, as well, but it has never really bothered me all that much.

In wrestling (the real kind, not the fake), a guy can either be pinned or tech falled (15 point lead). Back in my day, it was always a much greater embarrassment to get teched, because that showed complete dominance. Anyone could get caught and pinned at any given moment, even against lesser wrestlers... There is nothing your opponent can say when you tech him. And, the best wrestlers would often toy with their opponents when they could finish them just to get the tech.

I look at Mayweather fights in a similar way. Dominating a guy over 12 rounds in every facet of the game can be even more emphatic than a one-punch KO.


In short, I get why people wouldn't want to watch a guy run around the ring for 12 rounds... It's just that Mayweather doesn't do that. And, if you can't enjoy and appreciate his skill level, it does make me question how much you really love the sport. You can hate the guy and I get why a lot of people do, but he is amazing to watch work.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm surprised Floyd took the fight so soon - he had nothing to lose if he made it late Oct. After awhile, basically Floyd's whole career, his body gets used to having a certain amount of rest between fights. Especially if you are trying to gain weight and the hand problem resurfaces. Gaining weight isn't the best thing if your hand is hurting. Mayweather might have to finish a future fight with one hand and the bigger fighters will tax that hand the most.

I'm sure Mayweather saw the fighters they had in common and sees the win - I agree with Floyd. But the hand, rest between fights, and a hungry fighter can flip the script. To me this is the most interesting of all of his possible fights.
I agree. I thought the earliest this fight would happen was next May. I'm pretty shocked it is going down this soon.

I'm also re-thinking Floyd's trajectory in the final handful of fights in his career. I initially thought Canelo would be the big payoff, or at least there would be a little bigger build-up. Of course, there could always be a rematch (or multiple fights) if it is competitive.

Still, this makes me think the master plan involves another big name, which would be the "big finish" if everything went according to plan. I'm thinking it's probably Broner.

[bdreason]

I think a lot of the frustration about Floyd is that he yaps so much and is so good at hyping a fight, people want to see him take hard punches and get KTFO.







Bullshit. He yaps so much that people (including myself) want to see him actually TKO his opponent. Mayweather can go 100-0 in his career, and he will never approach the greatness of a fighter like Sugar Ray Leonard... because Leonard actually took the risk to switch from defensive boxing, to offensive boxing, to finish inferior opponents. He didn't just play it safe to collect a check.

[Burgz V2]

No it won't. Canelo isn't quick anyway. His style relies on explosive power and baiting.

And how does that help him against a counterpuncher who is much faster than him? :confusedshrug:

That won't beat Floyd. He has to be able to land punches in bunches.

[Pointguard]

I agree. I thought the earliest this fight would happen was next May. I'm pretty shocked it is going down this soon.

I'm also re-thinking Floyd's trajectory in the final handful of fights in his career. I initially thought Canelo would be the big payoff, or at least there would be a little bigger build-up. Of course, there could always be a rematch (or multiple fights) if it is competitive.

Still, this makes me think the master plan involves another big name, which would be the "big finish" if everything went according to plan. I'm thinking it's probably Broner.

Yeah, I'm confused too. As he gets older the hand will need more time to heal as well. I think he's kind of rushing things... and may not do another fight afterwards? Rushing can make a disciplined person sloppy. I think he pictured retirement in his head and really likes the picture.

Broner needs three impressive wins to be the big prize. And no masterplan can incorporate that as Mayweather lost 50 mill already with the Pacman fight in the same scenario. In picking Canelo first it's kind of admission there is no masterplan. The current reality is enough. Very few are going to pay see Mattheyse or Pacman or D Garcia or Alexander after the Alvarez fight unless Mayweather looks bad. He can give Matt and Garcia their first loses but it has greatly lost its luster with this arrangement. And unless Broner takes out three of the four mentioned above, he isn't going to be some great draw either.

The masterplan seems like he isn't looking at 4 more fights...

[Tarik One]

Canelo's cement block feet and lazy pace will cost him in this fight. He puts punches together well and is intense with his attacks but to beat floyd over 12 he needs to be busier and im not sure he can make that change, he might be abit too patient which allows floyd to pot shot and out maneuver him.

If a 22 yr old young man is that affected by 2 pounds against a 36 yr old who is naturally 5 pounds lighter then maybe he should make the 4 pound jump to middleweight himself. It is stupid to not be 154 but the idea that Saul will be shot at the weight is ridiculous. I don't think Mayweather was ever as worried about meeting him as has been made out and will relish the opportunity to enhance his legacy. The haters can't knock him on this one and though Alvarez does have a punchers chance, he will struggle against such a slick craftsmen. It's a great fight. Now is the time to do it before age slows Floyd's legs, a factor Floyd's camp surely put into account while deciding to accept this match.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bullshit. He yaps so much that people (including myself) want to see him actually TKO his opponent. Mayweather can go 100-0 in his career, and he will never approach the greatness of a fighter like Sugar Ray Leonard... because Leonard actually took the risk to switch from defensive boxing, to offensive boxing, to finish inferior opponents. He didn't just play it safe to collect a check.
Really?

You enter every Floyd Mayweather Jr. related thread and scream about how he runs for 12 rounds (incorrect) and how you won't pay for his fights and how you hope he loses.

Now, you want to see him TKO people? I'm calling bullsh!t. You'd like to see him knocked out. It's OK to admit it.

[bdreason]

Sure, I'd like to see him KO'd. That doesn't change the fact that I'd also like to see him take a chance to finish inferior opponents.

My dislike of Mayweather has little to do with his public image, and everything to do with his lack of spirit. He literally has no desire to punish or finish his opponent, and fights like he's in a sparring match, waiting for practice to be over. Again, I will never deny Mayweathers skill, but the guy has no heart, and I wouldn't pay a penny to watch him out-point inferior fighters for 12 rounds.

[Goldrush25]

Sure, I'd like to see him KO'd. That doesn't change the fact that I'd also like to see him take a chance to finish inferior opponents.

My dislike of Mayweather has little to do with his public image, and everything to do with his lack of spirit. He literally has no desire to punish or finish his opponent, and fights like he's in a sparring match, waiting for practice to be over. Again, I will never deny Mayweathers skill, but the guy has no heart, and I wouldn't pay a penny to watch him out-point inferior fighters for 12 rounds.

Mayweather has knocked other boxers out.

He boxes like a brain surgeon would. He doesn't expend any more or less energy than is absolutely necessary to gain an advantage. He is simply boxing to his strengths, which is his defense and cardio fitness. I'm sure he could finish off opponents if he tried, but of course that opens him up to get knocked out himself. He's about efficiency.

No one can argue with his results. He's made more money than pretty much anyone else, and he's still performing at a high level into his mid 30s.

But yeah, he doesn't care about bludgeoning his opponent. He just cares about making them look foolish and humiliating them. But he's not wired like a Mike Tyson, who said he used to envision himself punching through to the back of a guy's skull.

[bdreason]

The only person he's humiliating is himself, by Boxing for 12 rounds with guys he could finish in 6.

As a fan, I couldn't care less how much money he makes, or what his record is. I fully understand why he fights the way he does, and that doesn't change the fact his inability to finish inferior opponents is both less entertaining, and less impressive than many of Boxings all-time greats.


If Mayweather thinks (and he does) an undefeated record and big PPV numbers place him in the same category as guys like Leonard, Robinson and Ali, he is sadly mistaken.

[raiderfan19]

He's absolutely in the same category as Leonard. Without putting just a ton of thought into it I'd put Leonard higher but it's not like that's just a crazy comparison

[Goldrush25]

The only person he's humiliating is himself, by Boxing for 12 rounds with guys he could finish in 6.

As a fan, I couldn't care less how much money he makes, or what his record is. I fully understand why he fights the way he does, and that doesn't change the fact his inability to finish inferior opponents is both less entertaining, and less impressive than many of Boxings all-time greats.


If Mayweather thinks (and he does) an undefeated record and big PPV numbers place him in the same category as guys like Leonard, Robinson and Ali, he is sadly mistaken.

You say on one hand you understand why he fights the way he does and then in the same breath you say he's unable to finish off opponents. I don't think he is unable, just unwilling. Anyone can get caught with a good punch, even someone up by 10 points through 11 rounds. I would say he's a little too protective of his record, doesn't want to take risks if he's got the fight well in hand.

[Pointguard]

Sure, I'd like to see him KO'd. That doesn't change the fact that I'd also like to see him take a chance to finish inferior opponents.

My dislike of Mayweather has little to do with his public image, and everything to do with his lack of spirit. He literally has no desire to punish or finish his opponent, and fights like he's in a sparring match, waiting for practice to be over. Again, I will never deny Mayweathers skill, but the guy has no heart, and I wouldn't pay a penny to watch him out-point inferior fighters for 12 rounds.
I know you like Tim Duncan, I think it was you who has him over Shaq (I agree), but I see Mayweather as a lot like Tim Duncan. Not overpowering... just superior and gets the job done. Moreso, dominating when you look back at it but looks pretty methodical when you first experience it.

[raiderfan19]

Btw I think the not going for knockouts is as much a concession to his notoriously brittle hands as to any fear of getting caught with a counter

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Bullshit. He yaps so much that people (including myself) want to see him actually TKO his opponent. Mayweather can go 100-0 in his career, and he will never approach the greatness of a fighter like Sugar Ray Leonard... because Leonard actually took the risk to switch from defensive boxing, to offensive boxing, to finish inferior opponents. He didn't just play it safe to collect a check.

Mayweather is one of the greatest defensive fighters of ALL TIME. Leonard was NOT. So you can't say Leonard switched up styles because they had different styles.

Leonard was a offensive monster especially when he had you hurt though.

I think when people say Mayweather "runs" is plain wrong. He stands in the pocket and he boxes...he doesn't run.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

too be fair Mayweather has fought some Sturdy opponents,

Guerrero never been finished

Cotto finished by Pacquiao and loaded gloved Margarito

Ortiz - Knocked him out for kissing him

Mosley - mr sturdy

Juan Manuel Marquez - another sturdy guy

Hatton - first guy to knock him out

DLH - only been stopped by Hopkins.

[PistonsFan#21]

too be fair Mayweather has fought some Sturdy opponents,

Guerrero never been finished

Cotto finished by Pacquiao and loaded gloved Margarito

Ortiz - Knocked him out for kissing him

Mosley - mr sturdy

Juan Manuel Marquez - another sturdy guy

Hatton - first guy to knock him out

DLH - only been stopped by Hopkins.

and Pacquiao at 147lbs

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

and Pacquiao at 147lbs

I meant at the time Mayweather fought DLH

[unbreakable]

floyd doesnt have the strength or power to knock people out thats why he has to be such a great defensive boxer

[Lebron23]

Props to Mayweather for taking this fight if he beat Canelo it's going to the best win of his career since the Diego Corrales fight.

[raiderfan19]

Props to Mayweather for taking this fight if he beat Canelo it's going to the best win of his career since the Diego Corrales fight.
Not even close. The second Jose Luis Castillo fight(the first would be 2 but it was really close, the de la Hoya fight, Ricky hatton and zab were all better wins by varying degrees

[iamgine]

The goal is still to hit and not be hit. Also, if a guy is "running away," that isn't good boxing technique in the first place. Cory Spinks is a good example of a guy who tried to apply the defensive strategy and was successful to a certain extent, but he was maddening to watch. He really did employ the jab/run philosophy.

I can understand not liking to watch a guy like that. Hell, I couldn't stand watching him fight.

Mayweather, though? First of all, he doesn't run. The whole strategy of his adaptation of the Philly Shell is to lure opponents into throwing punches which leave them open to counters. He will even intentionally put his back to the ropes, because he has that much confidence in his defense... Not running, but slipping, blocking, anticipating and -- occasionally -- rolling with punches that get through.

The idea that Mayweather "runs" has always been overblown. He will command the ring like any great fighter and he is one of the best I've ever seen at measuring the distance of his opponent, where his punches will be maximized and his opponent's will be minimized, but that is just intelligent fighting.


I think a lot of the frustration about Floyd is that he yaps so much and is so good at hyping a fight, people want to see him take hard punches and get KTFO. When he finally does step in the ring and his opponents can't get a good shot in, the viewers (most of whom watch to see him lose) get frustrated and resort to the "chicken" stuff.

I will say that he is often apprehensive to go for the kill when he has a guy on the verge of being stopped. I guess I can see why people might get frustrated with that, as well, but it has never really bothered me all that much.

In wrestling (the real kind, not the fake), a guy can either be pinned or tech falled (15 point lead). Back in my day, it was always a much greater embarrassment to get teched, because that showed complete dominance. Anyone could get caught and pinned at any given moment, even against lesser wrestlers... There is nothing your opponent can say when you tech him. And, the best wrestlers would often toy with their opponents when they could finish them just to get the tech.

I look at Mayweather fights in a similar way. Dominating a guy over 12 rounds in every facet of the game can be even more emphatic than a one-punch KO.


In short, I get why people wouldn't want to watch a guy run around the ring for 12 rounds... It's just that Mayweather doesn't do that. And, if you can't enjoy and appreciate his skill level, it does make me question how much you really love the sport. You can hate the guy and I get why a lot of people do, but he is amazing to watch work.
I'm not saying Mayweather runs but I'm just saying just because something takes skill, doesn't mean it's beautiful or "people are not fan of boxing if they don't like it". Appreciation of skill is one thing but enjoying the fight is another.

You mention Cory Spinks and that tactic. Hypothetically what if he developed such godly footwork that his tactic almost always guarantees him a safe and perfect victory against any fighter? I would certainly appreciate his footwork but I for sure wouldn't enjoy his fights.

I do like watching Mayweather fights btw, just maybe not as much as some other fighters.

[plowking]

The only person he's humiliating is himself, by Boxing for 12 rounds with guys he could finish in 6.

As a fan, I couldn't care less how much money he makes, or what his record is. I fully understand why he fights the way he does, and that doesn't change the fact his inability to finish inferior opponents is both less entertaining, and less impressive than many of Boxings all-time greats.


If Mayweather thinks (and he does) an undefeated record and big PPV numbers place him in the same category as guys like Leonard, Robinson and Ali, he is sadly mistaken.


Mayweather>Leonard.

[The_Yearning]

The only person he's humiliating is himself, by Boxing for 12 rounds with guys he could finish in 6.

As a fan, I couldn't care less how much money he makes, or what his record is. I fully understand why he fights the way he does, and that doesn't change the fact his inability to finish inferior opponents is both less entertaining, and less impressive than many of Boxings all-time greats.


If Mayweather thinks (and he does) an undefeated record and big PPV numbers place him in the same category as guys like Leonard, Robinson and Ali, he is sadly mistaken.

The less you get hit, the longer you will last in the sport. The man is trying to stay undefeated and live a healthy life once he does retire from boxing. You should be more impressed that there has never been a boxer/more skilled than Floyd Mayweather.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Props to Mayweather for taking this fight if he beat Canelo it's going to the best win of his career since the Diego Corrales fight.
absolutely not. Id take the oscar he beat over this canelo any day.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The only person he's humiliating is himself, by Boxing for 12 rounds with guys he could finish in 6.

As a fan, I couldn't care less how much money he makes, or what his record is. I fully understand why he fights the way he does, and that doesn't change the fact his inability to finish inferior opponents is both less entertaining, and less impressive than many of Boxings all-time greats.


If Mayweather thinks (and he does) an undefeated record and big PPV numbers place him in the same category as guys like Leonard, Robinson and Ali, he is sadly mistaken.
wow you really know nothing about boxing. :roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

too be fair Mayweather has fought some Sturdy opponents,

Guerrero never been finished

Cotto finished by Pacquiao and loaded gloved Margarito

Ortiz - Knocked him out for kissing him

Mosley - mr sturdy

Juan Manuel Marquez - another sturdy guy

Hatton - first guy to knock him out

DLH - only been stopped by Hopkins.


mayweather is for the most part feather fisted at 147 and up. power is overrated though. you only need enough to keep the other guy off of you (which he does).

[Tarik One]

Floyd can hold his own in any era of boxing. Armstrong, SRR, Duran, Leonard, Prime Mosley/DLH, etc.

Not saying he will automatically beat all of those guys, but he could certainly hold his own.

[Rooster]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


I don't get the catchweight but oh well
specially for someone who always said no catchweights, I want to fight guys at their best...

Hmmm. The hypocrisy.

He said he wants to fight people at their best. Made a big deal about Pacquiao making Cotto coming 1 pound under for catchweight

Then turn around and made Canelo coming under 2 pounds for a catchweight.:rolleyes:

[Rooster]

Not even close. The second Jose Luis Castillo fight(the first would be 2 but it was really close, the de la Hoya fight, Ricky hatton and zab were all better wins by varying degrees

He lost to Castillo on the first fight.

Once again the corrupt world of boxing prevailed.

[raiderfan19]

He lost to Castillo on the first fight.

Once again the corrupt world of boxing prevailed.
I don't agree but it certainly wouldn't have been a robbery had the decision gone to Castillo. That's why I didn't include the first one on the wins that would be better than this one. Wherever you stand on the decision, That fight is the only fight in Floyd's career where he wasn't in absolute control of the action for at least the majority of the fight

[Rooster]

I don't agree but it certainly wouldn't have been a robbery had the decision gone to Castillo. That's why I didn't include the first one on the wins that would be better than this one. Wherever you stand on the decision, That fight is the only fight in Floyd's career where he wasn't in absolute control of the action for at least the majority of the fight

Castillo won the fight for me . He was imposing his style midway in the fight and landed the meaningful blows. I know Floyd hurt his shoulder from the training and it showed during the fight. Floyd usually figure them out after 4 rounds but it did not happen in this fight. Even the crowd booed the decision. Anyways Floyd won in the rematch convincingly but that does not change my perception on who won in their first fight.

[RedBlackAttack]

Castillo won the fight for me . He was imposing his style midway in the fight and landed the meaningful blows. I know Floyd hurt his shoulder from the training and it showed during the fight. Floyd usually figure them out after 4 rounds but it did not happen in this fight. Even the crowd booed the decision. Anyways Floyd won in the rematch convincingly but that does not change my perception on who won in their first fight.
It was a close fight, but much of the outrage was due to Castillo doing so much better than people expected. The vast majority of people thought Castillo would be a cakewalk and, when toward the end of the fight it looked like he had a chance, the announcing team and the crowd went all-in and JLC finished strong in the 12th.

It was a close fight, but I thought JLC had too big a hill to climb after the first six rounds. Anyone remotely unbiased would have had to give Mayweather at least 4 of those first 6 rounds, and then Floyd only had to win a couple of the close rounds late in the fight to pull out the win.

I actually sat down and scored it years ago when there was a big discussion between me and a few others on maxboxing. Very good fight... Definitely the best Floyd has ever been in from a competitive standpoint.

The second fight was really good too, though Floyd won relatively clearly. Still, JLC posed legitimate problems with his style for that version of Floyd.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Mayweather-Castillo 1
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[RedBlackAttack]

Mayweather-Castillo 1
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114-112 Mayweather
Here's the fight, if anyone has any interest in actually sitting down and scoring it. I can't imagine giving Mayweather any less than 4 of the first 5 rounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJv2q_5vmQI

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Props to Mayweather for taking this fight if he beat Canelo it's going to the best win of his career since the Diego Corrales fight.

for sure

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Not even close. The second Jose Luis Castillo fight(the first would be 2 but it was really close, the de la Hoya fight, Ricky hatton and zab were all better wins by varying degrees

Corrales was expected to knock the shit out of mayweather. Even his dad didn't want him to fight him. In terms of accomplishments I think Corrales was probably Mayweathers best win followed by Hatton. Hatton was a fckin monster when he fought him. Yes he fought him at 147 but Hatton was in the prime of his life.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

It was a close fight, but much of the outrage was due to Castillo doing so much better than people expected. The vast majority of people thought Castillo would be a cakewalk and, when toward the end of the fight it looked like he had a chance, the announcing team and the crowd went all-in and JLC finished strong in the 12th.

It was a close fight, but I thought JLC had too big a hill to climb after the first six rounds. Anyone remotely unbiased would have had to give Mayweather at least 4 of those first 6 rounds, and then Floyd only had to win a couple of the close rounds late in the fight to pull out the win.

I actually sat down and scored it years ago when there was a big discussion between me and a few others on maxboxing. Very good fight... Definitely the best Floyd has ever been in from a competitive standpoint.

The second fight was really good too, though Floyd won relatively clearly. Still, JLC posed legitimate problems with his style for that version of Floyd.

that's exactly why people kept saying castillo won. Cause they were so surprised they naturally go with the underdog..

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

One more thing..rumors circulating that Canelo is bringing Marquez "strength and conditioning" coach Angel Memo Heredia. The guy that has been linked to steroids and has admitted to being about to get guys to pass the test.

here's some background info on him

http://deadspin.com/5857439/what-do-usain-bolt-and-juan-manuel-marquez-have-in-common-they-train-with-the-same-admitted-steroids-dealer

[RedBlackAttack]

Just in a historical sense, I'm reminded a little of Sugar Ray Robinson-Jake LaMotta at middleweight. Let me say off the top... Robinson is the greatest fighter to ever live by a wide margin, imo, and Canelo is not on the level of a Jake LaMotta at this point in his career (likely never will be either), but there are similarities in the fight itself.

1. Robinson, from a sheer size perspective, probably should have never fought over welterweight, but he was so much better than everyone else, he eventually went up and won titles at MW and even Light HW.

I see Floyd as a guy who is best suited at this stage of his career as fighting at 147 and no higher. When your absolute maximum fighting weight is 152 -- and that's when you're trying to bulk up -- it says a lot.

LaMotta outweighed Robinson 160 to 144 at the weigh-in. :oldlol:

Rules and negotiations in today's fight game limits the amount of weight disparity that is possible, but I could still see and almost expect a 170-152 advantage for Canelo. That is obviously massive in today's sport.


2. Robinson was 40-0 going into the fight. Floyd is 43-0.


3. Stylistically, there are similarities. LaMotta was a big puncher and Robinson was an expert technician. Robinson also had extraordinarily heavy hands and LaMotta liked to swarm his opponents, so those things aren't all that similar to these guys, but still... Size/Power vs. Skill/Athleticism.


LaMotta ended up being the first man to ever beat SRR in that fight.

Where it deviates a little bit is Robinson actually beat LaMotta at welterweight before that fight at MW and the two guys didn't have the big age difference like Floyd/Canelo.

And, just to give people some perspective on how great Robinson was, after losing that fight, he went on to win his next 90 fights and he beat LaMotta another four times, winning the series 5-1.


But, from a size perspective, SRR wasn't used to fighting a guy that big (and LaMotta was also a great fighter), and it ended up being too much.

Could the same thing happen? I don't personally think so, but that is a lot of weight and Canelo can fight for a young boxer.

http://i43.tinypic.com/fmoy1i.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

One more thing..rumors circulating that Canelo is bringing Marquez "strength and conditioning" coach Angel Memo Heredia. The guy that has been linked to steroids and has admitted to being about to get guys to pass the test.

here's some background info on him

http://deadspin.com/5857439/what-do-usain-bolt-and-juan-manuel-marquez-have-in-common-they-train-with-the-same-admitted-steroids-dealer
Does that mean Canelo will be drinking his own p!ss?

[raiderfan19]

Corrales was expected to knock the shit out of mayweather. Even his dad didn't want him to fight him. In terms of accomplishments I think Corrales was probably Mayweathers best win followed by Hatton. Hatton was a fckin monster when he fought him. Yes he fought him at 147 but Hatton was in the prime of his life.
I didn't say those were better wins than corrales(though I'd probably take de la Hoya and maybe hatton over him) I simply said that they were better than a Canelo win would be.

[RedBlackAttack]

I didn't say those were better wins than corrales(though I'd probably take de la Hoya and maybe hatton over him) I simply said that they were better than a Canelo win would be.
I'm not so sure. We have no idea what Canelo is going to end up being in this sport or what kind of challenges he presents to Floyd.

Great wins aren't just about who you're fighting, but how you overcome adversity.

DLH is a nice feather in his cap just because he was coming up so much in weight. I don't think DLH was a great fighter at that stage of his career and he was always extremely overrated in general.

While it was nice to be the first man to beat Hatton and do so convincingly, I'm not so sure that win would be better than Canelo, depending upon what Canelo ends up being and how he looks in the fight.

Retrospect can either help or hurt a huge victory. Unfortunately, both the DLH and Hatton wins were somewhat diminished by their ensuing handful of fights.

The complete opposite could end up happening with a Canelo win. Plus, don't minimize the difficulty in fighting a guy that much bigger than you.

[IGOTGAME]

Just in a historical sense, I'm reminded a little of Sugar Ray Robinson-Jake LaMotta at middleweight. Let me say off the top... Robinson is the greatest fighter to ever live by a wide margin, imo, and Canelo is not on the level of a Jake LaMotta at this point in his career (likely never will be either), but there are similarities in the fight itself.

1. Robinson, from a sheer size perspective, probably should have never fought over welterweight, but he was so much better than everyone else, he eventually went up and won titles at MW and even Light HW.

I see Floyd as a guy who is best suited at this stage of his career as fighting at 147 and no higher. When your absolute maximum fighting weight is 152 -- and that's when you're trying to bulk up -- it says a lot.

LaMotta outweighed Robinson 160 to 144 at the weigh-in. :oldlol:

Rules and negotiations in today's fight game limits the amount of weight disparity that is possible, but I could still see and almost expect a 170-152 advantage for Canelo. That is obviously massive in today's sport.


2. Robinson was 40-0 going into the fight. Floyd is 43-0.


3. Stylistically, there are similarities. LaMotta was a big puncher and Robinson was an expert technician. Robinson also had extraordinarily heavy hands and LaMotta like to swarm his opponents, so those things aren't all that similar to these guys, but still... Size/Power vs. Skill/Athleticism.


LaMotta ended up being the first man to ever beat SRR in that fight.

Where it deviates a little bit is Robinson actually beat LaMotta at welterweight before that fight at MW and the two guys didn't have the big age difference like Floyd/Canelo.

And, just to give people some perspective on how great Robinson was, after losing that fight, he went on to win his next 90 fights and he beat LaMotta another four times, winning the series 5-1.


But, from a size perspective, SRR wasn't used to fighting a guy that big (and LaMotta was also a great fighter), and it ended up being too much.

Could the same thing happen? I don't personally think so, but that is a lot of weight and Canelo can fight for a young boxer.

http://i43.tinypic.com/fmoy1i.jpg

Great post. Good analogy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Just in a historical sense, I'm reminded a little of Sugar Ray Robinson-Jake LaMotta at middleweight. Let me say off the top... Robinson is the greatest fighter to ever live by a wide margin, imo, and Canelo is not on the level of a Jake LaMotta at this point in his career (likely never will be either), but there are similarities in the fight itself.

1. Robinson, from a sheer size perspective, probably should have never fought over welterweight, but he was so much better than everyone else, he eventually went up and won titles at MW and even Light HW.

I see Floyd as a guy who is best suited at this stage of his career as fighting at 147 and no higher. When your absolute maximum fighting weight is 152 -- and that's when you're trying to bulk up -- it says a lot.

LaMotta outweighed Robinson 160 to 144 at the weigh-in. :oldlol:

Rules and negotiations in today's fight game limits the amount of weight disparity that is possible, but I could still see and almost expect a 170-152 advantage for Canelo. That is obviously massive in today's sport.


2. Robinson was 40-0 going into the fight. Floyd is 43-0.


3. Stylistically, there are similarities. LaMotta was a big puncher and Robinson was an expert technician. Robinson also had extraordinarily heavy hands and LaMotta liked to swarm his opponents, so those things aren't all that similar to these guys, but still... Size/Power vs. Skill/Athleticism.


LaMotta ended up being the first man to ever beat SRR in that fight.

Where it deviates a little bit is Robinson actually beat LaMotta at welterweight before that fight at MW and the two guys didn't have the big age difference like Floyd/Canelo.

And, just to give people some perspective on how great Robinson was, after losing that fight, he went on to win his next 90 fights and he beat LaMotta another four times, winning the series 5-1.


But, from a size perspective, SRR wasn't used to fighting a guy that big (and LaMotta was also a great fighter), and it ended up being too much.

Could the same thing happen? I don't personally think so, but that is a lot of weight and Canelo can fight for a young boxer.

http://i43.tinypic.com/fmoy1i.jpg
Decent analogy but Lamotta wasn't a big puncher. He had more power than his KO% would indicate i'd say - but not a big puncher at all.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

One more thing..rumors circulating that Canelo is bringing Marquez "strength and conditioning" coach Angel Memo Heredia. The guy that has been linked to steroids and has admitted to being about to get guys to pass the test.

here's some background info on him

http://deadspin.com/5857439/what-do-usain-bolt-and-juan-manuel-marquez-have-in-common-they-train-with-the-same-admitted-steroids-dealer
Canelo is working with Alex Ariza i believe (works with pacquiao and used to work with andrew bynum when he was with LA). Memo is too busyhelping jmm prepare for Bradley.

[RedBlackAttack]

Decent analogy but Lamotta wasn't a big puncher. He had more power than his KO% would indicate i'd say - but not a big puncher at all.
Big puncher may have been an overstatement, but he was a much harder puncher than a cursory glance at his record might indicate. His power didn't exactly carry with him as he went from welterweight all the way up to Light HW and a good portion of his KOs were an accumulation of punishment, not necessarily one-punch knockouts, but he had power. I'd argue he was as hard a puncher as Alvarez.

Neither guy has devastating one-punch KO power, but both can hit and especially against smaller men. LaMotta's in the discussion for greatest body puncher of all-time. That's really where he made his bones as a puncher and he was devastating when he went downstairs.

LaMotta was very raw when his career began, which explains some head-scratching losses early in his career. He only had something like 3 KOs in his first 30+ fights.

However, as he matured as a fighter, his punching power started to become a weapon. He was hurting good boxers with regularity during his prime, especially to the body.

During the years wherein he and SRR had their best wars (1945-51), his KO rate skyrocketed.


I guess the analogy is a little off in that Robinson really did have one-punch KO power, but LaMotta wasn't a slouch in generating power and I'd say comparable to Canelo... Who I also question whether or not he can maintain his power as he goes up in weight.

[The Iron Fist]

:oldlol:

I knew there would be a caveat. This is not Mayweather's first catch-weight. It is just his most reasonable one.
No. Not even close. Both have 154 belts. No need for a catchweight.

[The Iron Fist]

:facepalm

these 'little' men can easily knock out nba power forwardsuh, no. At some point, size does make a difference.

[The Iron Fist]

in the last 7 years he's only fought twice in a year once.

twice a year is an improvement.

he has a history of breaking his hand so fighting any sooner than 6 months wouldn't give him much time to rest and start/complete his training regimen.:facepalm
another myth.

[The Iron Fist]

Mayweather>Leonard.
No. Leonard fought Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, and won Olympic gold. Floyd wouldn't even fight Margarito, Cotto, Williams or Pacquiao at 147. Instead, he fights the 9 time loser Baldomir, jr welterweight Hatton, a career featherweight with 2 lightweight fights Marquez, at 147, a twice KOs Ortiz.

No, he is not better than Leonard.

[The Iron Fist]

The less you get hit, the longer you will last in the sport. The man is trying to stay undefeated and live a healthy life once he does retire from boxing. You should be more impressed that there has never been a boxer/more skilled than Floyd Mayweather.

So why did Roberto Duran box in five decades?
How did Ray Robinson have almost 200 fights?
Julio Cesar Chavez over 100?

Both Duran and Chavez are quite healthy for their ages. and your last statement? lmao

[raiderfan19]

You are right that time could make this win look better but at the time of the fight, cabelos best win is Austin trout in a fight that he arguably lost.

[L.Kizzle]

You are right that time could make this win look better but at the time of the fight, cabelos best win is Austin trout in a fight that he arguably lost.
He had trouble with Trout, and Mayweather is infinity times better than Trout.

What I wanna know is what ill be Canelo's gameplan on fight night. Will he come in heavy like he did vs. Austin in the 170s' or keep it on the light side in the 160s.

[RedBlackAttack]

He had trouble with Trout, and Mayweather is infinity times better than Trout.

What I wanna know is what ill be Canelo's gameplan on fight night. Will he come in heavy like he did vs. Austin in the 170s' or keep it on the light side in the 160s.
If weight was the reason for his seemingly weak cardio, then he needs to go the lighter route. If he thinks he is going to be able to fight for 20 seconds each round and pull out a win, he is nuts. I have to think he knows that, though.

Then again, maybe weight wasn't the issue. Maybe he just didn't take his training all that seriously.

Like I said, Canelo is such a young fighter and he has been fighting elite competition for only a couple of bouts. None of us really have any idea how good this kid might be (or if he'll be a special fighter at all).

[IGOTGAME]

You are right that time could make this win look better but at the time of the fight, cabelos best win is Austin trout in a fight that he arguably lost.

that wasn't a close fight. I don't see how it was arguable.

[raiderfan19]

that wasn't a close fight. I don't see how it was arguable.
It was incredibly close. Canelo landed maybe 40 meaningful punches in the whole fight. It was by no means a robbery and I have no problem with the decision BUT it was close

[IGOTGAME]

It was incredibly close. Canelo landed maybe 40 meaningful punches in the whole fight. It was by no means a robbery and I have no problem with the decision BUT it was close

Canelo landed a whole lot more meaningful shots than Trout. Trout did nothing really meaningful.

[RedBlackAttack]

Canelo landed a whole lot more meaningful shots than Trout. Trout did nothing really meaningful.
Trout out-boxed him and controlled the pace of the fight throughout. Canelo relied upon one or two shots a round to win on the scorecards. I thought it was a very close fight and so did the commentators and press at ringside.

The only ones who apparently didn't think it was close were the judges.

[PistonsFan#21]

that wasn't a close fight. I don't see how it was arguable.

the fight was very close actually.

[B-Easy8]

Canelo landed a whole lot more meaningful shots than Trout. Trout did nothing really meaningful.

I also thought Canelo won that fight quite convincingly.

I don't think Canelo is ready for May yet. His conditioning didn't look that great against Trout and he will need to be at a whole nother level against May. He should have waited another year and fought a couple more Trout level guys before going after May.