Tim Hardaway is a homophobe

[saKf]

Any nation that justifies Homosexuality or Lesbianism as an acceptible lifestyle is in it's final stages of moral corruption.
This kind of statement always gets me excited about my fellow Christians. [/sarcasm]

[Real Men Wear Green]

Is this why I have to turn the channel because of images on commercials or when I have a hard time trying to explain what the act of homosexuality is to my 8 yr old child.
Bad news for you: your child just saw an ad for Zipdick in the paper and has now been converted to homosexuality. All of your grandkids will be the results of test tubes and cloning. Life is hard.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This kind of statement always gets me excited about my fellow Christians.
Something I always wondered about the religious right: How can they spend all of their time and money on the moral issues in Teletubbies, Ellen Degeneres, and San Francisco while ignoring how many people die in Iraq?

[bringthetruth]

This kind of statement always gets me excited about my fellow Christians. [/sarcasm]

Scripture also makes it clear that God will give mankind up to "unnatural desires and men burning for one another". The first reference we see to homosexuality is in the book of Genesis with the story of Sodom and Gomorah. There is now clear historical record that these cities existed and were destroyed catastrophically.
My opinion is that homosexuality is immoral. I also believe that a nation's ability to legislate morality is confined by their dependancy upon God. Given where this nation is in their denial of God (removing all discussion on God from schools and the workplace), homosexuality will not be illegal. What scares me about this is that we are very close to legislating AGAINST the right to disagree with it.

[boozehound]

There is now clear historical record that these cities existed and were destroyed catastrophically.

I also believe that a nation's ability to legislate morality is confined by their dependancy upon God. Given where this nation is in their denial of God (removing all discussion on God from schools and the workplace), homosexuality will not be illegal. What scares me about this is that we are very close to legislating AGAINST the right to disagree with it.


Is there historical evidence of the degeneracy and so forth? Or just a city....

How is your view any different than the islamic extremists (not terrorists, just conservative muslims that are called this in the west) in many countries who are trying to maintain or reestablish governments based upon holy law? If you want to live in a country founded upon religious law, well your up **** creek. The new god is the almighty dollar.

[bringthetruth]

Is there historical evidence of the degeneracy and so forth? Or just a city....

How is your view any different than the islamic extremists (not terrorists, just conservative muslims that are called this in the west) in many countries who are trying to maintain or reestablish governments based upon holy law? If you want to live in a country founded upon religious law, well your up **** creek. The new god is the almighty dollar.

NOT MONEY IN ITSELF

But the love of money is the root of all evil.

Those who sell out for it instead of a true relationship with God is up the creek without a paddle.


Dude what country do you live in and how old are you.

You probably don't even remember sitcoms like the **** van dyke show where married couples mind you slept in seperate beds on tv.

Our country has sunk in moral and ethics so far that countries despise us no with a passion.

Tehy took prayer out of school and pedohiles teachers hasve entered along with gun toting students. Cmon man do you really need more proff.

[bail]

at least hes honest. at least he is not like other players that only say good things if there in front of the camera.

[Andy Christ]

someone was bound to say that ignorant **** sooner or later, doesnt suprise me, imagine if barkley didnt have his political makeover, think about that.

[boozehound]

Our country has sunk in moral and ethics so far that countries despise us no with a passion.

Tehy took prayer out of school and pedohiles teachers hasve entered along with gun toting students. Cmon man do you really need more proff.
No, countries despise us because we dominate the gloabl economy and depose those governments (democratic or not) that dont pander to american corporate interests in their neck of the woods. There are some countries that despise us for immorality, but for the most part it is the hatred a big bully gets when they shove everyone else in the playground around if they wont do their bidding.

I loved the **** van dyke show, very good physical comedy. He sucks now though.

[Chalkmaze]

. Given where this nation is in their denial of God (removing all discussion on God from schools and the workplace),

Some things are finally moving in the right direction.

[saKf]

Tehy took prayer out of school and pedohiles teachers hasve entered along with gun toting students.
You really think that pedophilia and weapons in schools occur because they don't allow mandatory prayer?

[Rasheed1]

You really think that pedophilia and weapons in schools occur because they don't allow mandatory prayer?

thats just the lame response they give when ever prompted..


the real reason immorality has creeped up on us so suddenly is because we as a society only pay lip service to the principles that make for a moral and civil society....

If parents taught/were serious about God & prayer AT HOME, then that example would follw children to school istead of the violence and chaos that follows them into the building today...

[saKf]

It's fairly easy to demonize big systems such as government or public schools while ignoring or inadequately fulfilling responsibilities of parenting and family.

[Soundwave]

I went to a Catholic school from grade 2 through till 12 ... God in schools doesn't make a lick of difference.

Our school had just as much sex, probably more drugs, and maybe a tad less violence going on than the regular ol' public schools. The whole point of prom night is to get laid (gasp!) even in schools where religion is taught. And we're talking about a pre-dominantly white, upper/middle class school here.

Also you can use the Bible to justify all kinds of bigotry. I know there are Mormons who won't neccessarily come out and say it in public, but they've told me in private that they look down at black people because they see them as the cursed lineage of Kain, and use scripture to back them on that. As I recall slave owners also used the Bible back in the day to justify slavery as well.

[305Baller]

I dont understand anti-homosexuality. If someone wants to make love to a man, why couldnt he? Its what he is feeling. If women dont turn him on and men do , then why cant he accept that? What else is he supposed to do,suppress his feelings and end up projecting that suppression to something that could be harmful to society...all in the name of some metaphoric passages that may or may not be written by holy men (and could have been tainted by politics)? The key to a good society is happiness...

I am not an atheist.

Furthermore, why do people shun homosexuality because of the bible , yet are cool with sex before marriage...

its hate because of fear of the unknown... humanity has been guilty of this forever.

:hammerhead:

[bringthetruth]

What is upseting me about this thread though is how christianity is being brought down so bad in this thread while support for homosexuality seems to keep rising and rising. Im not telling people to bash homosexuals, but don't rip christianity because it doesn't support homosexuals either.

:no:

[rs98762001]

What is upseting me about this thread though is how christianity is being brought down so bad in this thread while support for homosexuality seems to keep rising and rising. Im not telling people to bash homosexuals, but don't rip christianity because it doesn't support homosexuals either.

:no:

I don't think Christianity itself is necessarily to blame. But Christians (or indeed those of any faith) who use their religion as justification for hatred against a human being are perfectly fair game for bashing.

This is quite amusing: http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=620.

[305Baller]

I apologize if it sounds like I am blesphemizing (is that a word) Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism or any other religion... its just that there has to be an end to using religion as an excuse to hate how someone naturally is. Its almost the same thing as being a holy war suicide bomber.

[Xsatyr]

"As long as a man knows what to do with his foreskin"

classic :oldlol:

[gts]

When did Christianity become the holder of all things moral or immoral? There are multitudes of religions in this world with varying points of views on many subjects... so when was it decided that Christianity was the view we should all follow? I am not bashing Christianity, this is just a question...

[JRN]

I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?

As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?

I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.

Peace

[DCL]

I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?

As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?

I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.

Peace

you made a new account just to post this.

looks like you're afraid to come out.

[boozehound]

I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?

As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?

I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.

Peace
very good post. WHile I wholeheartedly defend his right to be a bigot or scared of gays, his statements of hatred and that they shouldnt be allowed exist are over the top. Insert, if you will, a group to which you belong (either by choice or by biology) in the place of gays in his statement and see if you think that is an acceptable statement in a media forum.

"Well you know, I hate christians, so I let it be known. I don't like christians and I don't like to be around christians," he said. "Yeah, I'm anti-christian. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world for that or in the United States for that. So, yeah, I don't like it.

[JRN]

you made a new account just to post this.

looks like you're afraid to come out.


No, my old login no longer worked. So, I created a new one.

[305Baller]

ahahah theres a navy ad in this thread. Inn the Naaavvyvyyyy. ahah.

Second of all, I have been hit on by gay dudes and its not a good feeling. I dont like it at all... but I still dont hate tehm.

[boozehound]

ahahah theres a navy ad in this thread. Inn the Naaavvyvyyyy. ahah.

Second of all, I have been hit on by gay dudes and its not a good feeling. I dont like it at all... but I still dont hate tehm.
Sure so have I, but Ive also been hit on by fat chicks or really ugly chicks and its not a good feeling. Generally, gay men are more responsive to a not interested than a desperate woman... not all of em though

[KWALI]

I agree that Hardaway is a bigot. But, what really angered me was his comment that gay people shouldnt be here in the U.S. or on the planet. What does he suggest? Genocide? Concentration camps? Should they be be-headed or stoned to death like they are in IRAN?


Truthfully I only heard part of his quote paraphrased on radio and they left out that last part that was on TNT later that night....He's way of track there...him saying he doesn't want to be around playe with associate or like gay people that is all good...I really couldn't care less if some dude sad he didn't like wanna be around or work with black people that's you choice...but when TIM said they shouldn't be in America or whatever then he stepped over the boundary. Who you want to associate with that's your bussiness but you can't ostrasize people based on your feelings.



As far as taking showers with gay peple in public showers or gyms, doesnt everybody realize that they have been taking showers with gay people forever. Gay people have been around forever. If there are 10% or less gay people in the population, doesnt it go without saying that gay people have been in high school and college gym classes and have always showered together with their straight classmates?

I have many gay friends and I have never been hit on or approached in an in-appropriate way. Gay people don't need to hit on straight men, they have plenty of other gays to befriend.

Peace

Gay people must be really passive where your from cuz plenty of these ******s try and get at strait men.. I have gay and lesbian friends. They fantasize about it....in NYC there was always rumours about Larry Johnson's Tyson Beckford etc so don't make gay's all pious they are depraved and predjudiced just like all of us

[20 Dimes A Game]

What an idiot.....

[John Smith]

one of chicago's finest. just like wade, just like d-rose, etc. :pimp:

[Vancouver-Grizz]

why would you dig up a thread more then 2 years old???

[John Smith]

why would you dig up a thread more then 2 years old???

there's talk about retiring his jersey.

[Dasher]

there's talk about retiring his jersey.It should be retired because of how great a player he was in both Miami and Oakland. It does not seem right to only have Zo's jersey in the rafters. Timbug's should be right next to it, at a safe nonhomo distance.

[John Smith]

It should be retired because of how great a player he was in both Miami and Oakland. It does not seem right to only have Zo's jersey in the rafters. Timbug's should be right next to it, at a safe nonhomo distance.

you're right and I agree 100%

[PoGoMon]

It should be retired because of how great a player he was in both Miami and Oakland. It does not seem right to only have Zo's jersey in the rafters. Timbug's should be right next to it, at a safe nonhomo distance.

I feel sorry for Tim - as he obviously is not too bright. He is guaranteed the American right to his own opinion (at least for the time being) - but why would one openly admit to such nonsense - unless he is minus a few batteries?

One should be able to admire their game - but be able to separate them from their nonsense!

Just like I admire Kobe's game - but hate the fact that he treated a woman so badly that she cried rape. I admire Tim's game - but hate his prejudices.:ohwell:

[John Smith]

nice post PoGo. it's probably the same reason as why Dennis Rodman will not be in the Hall of Fame despite his hall of fame ability to defend and rebound. not to mention all of his rings...

[PoGoMon]

nice post PoGo. it's probably the same reason as why Dennis Rodman will not be in the Hall of Fame despite his hall of fame ability to defend and rebound. not to mention all of his rings...

Let's hope that Stern and the HOF committee for elections can separate Rodman's nonsense from his great career of rebounding and defending! He belongs in the HOF - but then so does Oakley with his 12,205 rebounds. He just had the disadvantage of being shipped away from Mike so they could get Cartwright.:ohwell:

[lolwut]

No different than Karl Malone's remarks about Magic's HIV years ago. I don't see the big deal. He's only echoing many other's opinions. I find it somewhat admirable.

if by admirable you mean bigoted and classless

[lolwut]

Slavery is a whole nother thing.

As far as civil rights blacks were discriminated against by the government, whereas gays pretty much aren't except for a few tax benefits and other little legal stuff that unmarried straights have too, though I see no reason why they don't just fix that up with civil unions.

Some people may hate gays but the same set of laws apply to them as straights so you can't really compare it to slavery or civil rights. But there is a problem if people like Hardaway are so afraid of them, though I think mainly he's just being a tough guy and he thought that was what he was supposed to say. Most people don't really care about gays either way except for some Christians, people just say they don't like them to act tough or manly.


Government discrimination is only institutionalized hatred, it gets worse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

[Smokee]

I still love Timmy. Nobody will ever have a crossover like that imo, ever. He just had so much game and its a shame he never became a superstar name since he's one of the more talented guards i've ever watched play.

What he said might've been ignorant but at least he's honest unlike 99% of people who pretend they don't judge ghey people any differently :rolleyes:

[L.Kizzle]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/timhardawayslam121.jpg

[NumberSix]

I hate Wednesday people.

[Trentknicks]

You would have thought he would have accepted it after Sprewell ****ed and sodomised him every season from 99-02