1998 IND game 7 >>> 2013 IND game 7

[gengiskhan]

Both were on the road.

Both were ECFs.

Both were 1 game away from NBA finals.

But 1998 IND game 7 was an absolute nail biter. They almost pulled it off in chicago. won just by 5 pts.

2013 IND team got BLOWN OUT to much weaker MIA team compared to 1998 CHI.

Even though, both Game 7s are painful losses to IND franchise

BUT

Dat 1998 Miller led IND team. Clearly was the best team in the East & NBA that yr despite the 3rd best record :bowdown: :bowdown:

They deserved to win the championship.

Just giving a shout out to the best team in IND franchise history.

[andgar923]

Both were on the road.

Both were ECFs.

Both were 1 game away from NBA finals.

But 1998 IND game 7 was an absolute nail biter. They almost pulled it off in chicago. won just by 5 pts.

2013 IND team got BLOWN OUT to much weaker MIA team compared to 1998 CHI.

Even though, both Game 7s are painful losses to IND franchise

BUT

Dat 1998 Miller led IND team. Clearly was the best team in the East & NBA that yr despite the 3rd best record :bowdown: :bowdown:

They deserved to win the championship.

Just giving a shout out to the best team in IND franchise history.

That team would destroy current Heat team.

[fsvr54]

The team that gave the Champion Bulls most trouble.

[gengiskhan]

That team would destroy current Heat team.

there are many things that made 1998 IND better than 2013 IND

BUT

1998 IND had the most important element needed to win that 1998 CHI had too.

"The closer" aka "The Cleaner" aka "Reggie Miller"

just like Bulls had theirs: "Michael Jordan"


That marquee SG match up was one for the ages despite MJ being old as hell.

This was long time coming & we finally got what we wanted.

[andgar923]

there are many things that made 1998 IND better than 2013 IND

BUT

1998 IND had the most important element needed to win that 1998 CHI had too.

"The closer" aka "The Cleaner" aka "Reggie Miller"

just like Bulls had theirs: "Michael Jordan"


That marquee SG match up was one for the ages despite MJ being old as hell.

This was long time coming & we finally got what we wanted.

And true PGs.

Imagine them trying to stop Reggie coming off screens when actual plays are ran and not just one on one?

Who the f*ck is gonna guard Smits? Hibbert looked like Wilt playing agains the Heat, West has always been good, but he looked like the GOAT PF out there.

Just the toughness alone would put them over the edge, not including their discipline. You had seasoned vets with young hungry blood in the mix ready to mix it up. If they played with the old rules the Heat have virtually NO chance at winning more than 2 games

[che guevara]

That team would destroy current Heat team.
:oldlol: No they wouldn't. Miami matches up with that team a million times better than the '13 Pacers. They were a poor rebounding team, which is what gives Miami problems. Smits was an even worse rebounder than Bosh, and if you take him out to play Davis, you've sacrificed your offense.

[gengiskhan]

And true PGs.

Imagine them trying to stop Reggie coming off screens when actual plays are ran and not just one on one?

Who the f*ck is gonna guard Smits? Hibbert looked like Wilt playing agains the Heat, West has always been good, but he looked like the GOAT PF out there.

Just the toughness alone would put them over the edge, not including their discipline. You had seasoned vets with young hungry blood in the mix ready to mix it up. If they played with the old rules the Heat have virtually NO chance at winning more than 2 games… NONE!

Dude!

I remember watching 1998 game 7 with my friends.

I said " CHI cannot escape with a victory. IND has the momentum & energy to pull this on out"

When that 4th quarter started & smits was not missing a single 10 footer.

MJ was completely exhausted & his FG were coming up short.

Pippen was just another playmaker. & had no rhythm the whole game 7.

Rodman checked out & Missing in Action the whole game.

Only Kukoc showing up. Kerr was decent.

I dunno how CHI escaped with that victory. IND had it. they just let it slip.

looking back, those 1988-1990 bulls battles with BAD BOYS turned them into pit bulls. Those losses shaped MJ-Pip into LAST MEN STANDING, after those brutal 1988,1989,1990 losses, they were ready for absolutely anything.

& this IND game 7 showed that. Bulls did not deserve to win. officiating was completely neutral. But CHI escaped the brutal dogfight surviving.

& Jordan was still standing amongst the ruins.

The best series I've ever seen.

[plowking]

People love to mention how Jordan never got calls unlike Lebron.

His whole second three peat was full of generous officiating. 96 finals, this series against Indiana, etc.
People talk about him on here like he was an unstoppable beast.

[imdaman99]

nothin to see here guys, just blandgar and ganges polishing jordans testicles :facepalm

[gengiskhan]

People love to mention how Jordan never got calls unlike Lebron.

His whole second three peat was full of generous officiating. 96 finals, this series against Indiana, etc.
People talk about him on here like he was an unstoppable beast.

Watch 1995-1998 MJ highlights closely.

No floping, no Refs Baiting into calls.

MJ actually tries hard to complete the 3 pt play despite the foul.

MJ did work on the refs, talked tough to them but never childish running across the court in absolute disbelief theatrics.

none of dat weak chicken shyte stuff.

[KG215]

The '98 Pacers were a 58-win 6.25 SRS team. The '13 Pacers are a 49-win 3.34 SRS team. One is not like the other. This Pacers team isn't as good as they showed, they simply match-up very well with the Heat. Not saying they're bad, but I don't think they're as good as this series might lead you to believe..

[gengiskhan]

The '98 Pacers were a 58-win 6.25 SRS team. The '13 Pacers are a 49-win 3.34 SRS team. One is not like the other. This Pacers team isn't as good as they showed, they simply match-up very well with the Heat. Not saying they're bad, but I don't think they're as good as this series might lead you to believe..

dude.

1998 pacers bulls match up.

Jordan - Miller canceled each other out. Both attackers, both first options, bother cleaners closers clutch.

Pippen was the only Bulls advantage & he only showed up on Defense.

Other 3 positions, IND cleaned up the table.

especially, that centers matchup was downright laughable.

[plowking]

Watch 1995-1998 MJ highlights closely.

No floping, no Refs Baiting into calls.

MJ actually tries hard to complete the 3 pt play despite the foul.

MJ did work on the refs, talked tough to them but never childish running across the court in absolute disbelief theatrics.

none of dat weak chicken shyte stuff.

I've watched every single game of Jordan's 96 and 98 runs. MJ did the same shit, mean mugging the refs, yelling at them, complaining, clapping excessively after a call against him... People love to rewrite history.

[gengiskhan]

I've watched every single game of Jordan's 96 and 98 runs. MJ did the same shit, mean mugging the refs, yelling at them, complaining, clapping excessively after a call against him... People love to rewrite history.

But you never saw unusual, unnecessary ARMS FLAILING, LEGS FLAILING like Kobe.

You never saw CRY BABY rolling on the ground making faces with mouth piece hanging - WADE

You never saw SUPER FLOPING, running off the court drama queen stuff -LBJ

trust me, If MJ did any of these 3 stuff, he wouldn't have survived 1997 Jazz, 1998 Pacers, 1998 Jazz.

[plowking]

But you never saw unusual, unnecessary ARMS FLAILING, LEGS FLAILING like Kobe.

You never saw CRY BABY rolling on the ground making faces with mouth piece hanging - WADE

You never saw SUPER FLOPING, running off the court drama queen stuff -LBJ

trust me, If MJ did any of these 3 stuff, he wouldn't have survived 1997 Jazz, 1998 Pacers, 1998 Jazz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNt5jCwA9bs

Here is one from the 92 season... Not even at his worst, which came in later years. Look at how much he gets away with before hes hit with a T. Trying to intimidate the official.

[gengiskhan]

The team that gave the Champion Bulls most trouble.

I wish the Bulls lost that 1998 game 7.

would've been nice to see only SG to have FMVP besides MJ in 1990s decade is Miller.

That 1998 Pacers could've wrapped up Jazz in 5 games.

Jazz relied on Stockton as closer & clutch player

comparing him to regular closer like Miller is just......:facepalm

[kamil]

I've watched every single game of Jordan's 96 and 98 runs. MJ did the same shit, mean mugging the refs, yelling at them, complaining, clapping excessively after a call against him... People love to rewrite history.

Delusional.

[gengiskhan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNt5jCwA9bs

Here is one from the 92 season... Not even at his worst, which came in later years. Look at how much he gets away with before hes hit with a T. Trying to intimidate the official.

where is the MJ FLOP.

Where is the MJ ref baiting

Where is the ARMS, LEGS FLAILING.

Look closely, its a phantom call. MJ barely touched the knee & swiped the ball out cleanly!

That should've been a no call. Jeff Malone exposed the ball completely.

Refs decided the game. MJ got mad & deserved the techinical for bullying the ref no doubt.

But that should clearly be a no call.

[plowking]

where is the MJ FLOP.

Where is the MJ ref baiting

Where is the ARMS, LEGS FLAILING.

Look closely, its a phantom call. MJ barely touched the knee & swiped the ball out cleanly!

That should've been a no call. Jeff Malone exposed the ball completely.

Refs decided the game. MJ got mad & deserved the techinical for bullying the ref no doubt.

But that should clearly be a no call.

You just said he wasn't a drama queen. Walking out on your team to yell at an official is not worth it. They lost their best clutch player.

[andgar923]

You just said he wasn't a drama queen. Walking out on your team to yell at an official is not worth it. They lost their best clutch player.
Naw

[plowking]

Players were crying foul about Jordan's special treatment in the late 80's already and you guys want to act like he never got the calls Lebron did. I'm just baffled that you want to deny something that actually happened.

[gengiskhan]

You just said he wasn't a drama queen. Walking out on your team to yell at an official is not worth it. They lost their best clutch player.

Lemme finish the conversation because this one is going nowhere!

as a die hard 1990s NYKs fan, I am glad 1993 NYK-CHI game 5 was not decided by refs.

Those blocks, strips by jordan, pippen & grant on Charles smith on Game 5 were CLEAN!

Smith was just weak as hell. couldn't get up for dunk & tried to lay it up.

Refs decided correctly that there is no foul & CHI escaped with victory.

this Utah game is a phantom call! clealry.

MJ is MAD AS HELL. not a drama queen.

[aceman]

Pippen was mvp of this series

[gengiskhan]

2013 Pacers would destroy the 98 Bulls. Rodman, MJ and Pippen were a shell of their former selves in a very weak league.

& I literally saved this guy from drowning after his 3rd suicide attempt of the IND-MIA series. :lol :roll:

after game 7, all of a sudden he is off the respirator & life support & healthy enough to troll. :applause: :applause:

good for you bruh. keep it up.

[andgar923]

:oldlol: No they wouldn't. Miami matches up with that team a million times better than the '13 Pacers. They were a poor rebounding team, which is what gives Miami problems. Smits was an even worse rebounder than Bosh, and if you take him out to play Davis, you've sacrificed your offense.

You're looking at it more from an individual basis. I specifically mentioned the 98 Pacers 'running plays' instead of having 2 guards trying to do too much. The Heat have always had problem with big men regardless of how well those big men were. Height is an issue to them, Smits would've been a mismatch for every heat player. But aside from him getting easy position down low, he could pass better than any current Pacer big men, could stretch the floor if needed. Almost every single player in that Pacer roster could hit the mid range and pass and well

[gengiskhan]

Pippen was mvp of this series

Just playing defense alone NEVER makes you the PLAYER OF THE SERIES.

Missing 4 game winning FTs in a row by CHOKING & denying your team a 3-1 lead can actually make Pippen a VILLIAN OF THE SERIES!

Meanwhile this is what THE USUAL SUSPECT did at age 35 for Game 1 to 7.

31, 41, 30, 28, 29, 35, 28

thats 31.7 ppg ave for toughest series in post-retirement era!

I'd say PLAYER OF THE SERIES easily!

[andgar923]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNt5jCwA9bs

Here is one from the 92 season... Not even at his worst, which came in later years. Look at how much he gets away with before hes hit with a T. Trying to intimidate the official.

How is that remotely close to what Bron and Wade do?

:facepalm

[jstern]

That was a great series. My predictions were 7 for 7 in that series. Each game was won by the home team.

[andgar923]

Just playing defense alone NEVER makes you the PLAYER OF THE SERIES.

Missing 4 game winning FTs in a row by CHOKING & denying your team a 3-1 lead can actually make Pippen a VILLIAN OF THE SERIES!

Meanwhile this is what THE USUAL SUSPECT did at age 35 for Game 1 to 7.

31, 41, 30, 28, 29, 35, 28

thats 31.7 ppg ave for toughest series in post-retirement era!

I'd say PLAYER OF THE SERIES easily!

I always hear shit like "Pippen did the intangibles and played defense" and MJ didn't?

Not that the dude you quoted said that btw, just an argument people try to say to try to diminish MJ.

MJ did everything Pip did while having to carry the offensive load and all the pressure. People confuse him for Kobe for some reason.

I will say this

[aceman]

[QUOTE=andgar923]I always hear shit like "Pippen did the intangibles and played defense" and MJ didn't?

Not that the dude you quoted said that btw, just an argument people try to say to try to diminish MJ.

MJ did everything Pip did while having to carry the offensive load and all the pressure. People confuse him for Kobe for some reason.

I will say this

[andgar923]

Jordan didn't stop the pacers offence by shuting down Jackson - that was pippen

Because MJ was just standing there guarding nobody, and because MJ didn't guard Jackson either.

[aceman]

Just playing defense alone NEVER makes you the PLAYER OF THE SERIES.

Missing 4 game winning FTs in a row by CHOKING & denying your team a 3-1 lead can actually make Pippen a VILLIAN OF THE SERIES!

Meanwhile this is what THE USUAL SUSPECT did at age 35 for Game 1 to 7.

31, 41, 30, 28, 29, 35, 28

thats 31.7 ppg ave for toughest series in post-retirement era!

I'd say PLAYER OF THE SERIES easily!

What was jordan's shooting %?

[andgar923]

What was jordan's shooting %?

What was Pippen's? with far less defensive attention might I add.

[aceman]

Because MJ was just standing there guarding nobody, and because MJ didn't guard Jackson either.

Pippen met Jackson at half court to disrupt the pacers sets. closer to the basket he played a floater role of briefly leaving his man to double team.

[andgar923]

Pippen met Jackson at half court to disrupt the pacers sets. closer to the basket he played a floater role of briefly leaving his man to double team.

And MJ didn't do any of that? besides chasing Miller all game, switching on Mullin, taking on Best, Jalen and even banging inside? along with also helping trap, double, get steals, blocks, rotate to cover others etc.etc.?

[aceman]

What was Pippen's? with far less defensive attention might I add.
Jordan took most of the bulls shots so ofcourse he scored most of their points. Credit should to defence & rebounding for victory in series where Jordan shot poorly.

[aceman]

And MJ didn't do any of that? besides chasing Miller all game, switching on Mullin, taking on Best, Jalen and even banging inside? along with also helping trap, double, get steals, blocks, rotate to cover others etc.etc.?
No he didn't have pippen's impact on defence.

[andgar923]

No he didn't have pippen's impact on defence.

Of course he didn't. Because guarding their best offensive player, helping out on others, getting steals and blocks, roaming as much as possible isn't as much of an impact. Matter of fact, Mj's impact on defense was nowhere near that of Pip's. Pip won the MVP for that series because leadership, scoring, and all the other shit aren't important.

F*ck the stats:

MJ: 31 pts FG.467% 3p .400% FT .811% RBD 5.7 AST 4.1 STL 1.7 BLK 0.4
PIP: 16 PTS FG .392% 3P .200% FT .585% RBD 7.7 AST 5.3 STL 2.1 BLK 1.1


CLEARLY Pip deserved the MVP!!

I know what you're gonna say "Pip's DEFENSE won the game!!!"


since MJ was just standing on the corner all game long, not switching on other players such as Mullin, McKey, Jackson, Rose, Best, or helping out with Smits with traps etc.etc. nawww he just camped out there, had no impact and the numbers prove that:

GAME 1 DRtg:

MJ: 82
PIP: 81

GAME 2 DRtg:

MJ: 107
PIP: 101

GAME 3:

MJ: 133
PIP: 125

GAME 4:

MJ: 129
PIP: 123

GAME 5:

MJ: 96
PIP: 94

GAME 6:

MJ: 118
PIP: 114

GAME 7:

MJ: 110
PIP: 99

Fckin MJ lazy ass, Pip was CLEARLY hands down the most impactful defender.

Oh

[andgar923]

Jordan took most of the bulls shots so ofcourse he scored most of their points. Credit should to defence & rebounding for victory in series where Jordan shot poorly.

Do you think there's a reason why MJ shot most of the Bulls' shots?

I agree, it was a defensive battle on in which MJ took no part in.

But since the games were so close, don't you think that missed fts, missed 3pt shots kinda hurt them? not a tiny bit at all?

Nawwww

MJ was too lazy standing there chucking it up not playing any defense or doing much of anything else.

[chazzy]

[QUOTE=andgar923]
GAME 1 DRtg:

MJ: 82
PIP: 81

GAME 2 DRtg:

MJ: 107
PIP: 101

GAME 3:

MJ: 133
PIP: 125

GAME 4:

MJ: 129
PIP: 123

GAME 5:

MJ: 96
PIP: 94

GAME 6:

MJ: 118
PIP: 114

GAME 7:

MJ: 110
PIP: 99

Fckin MJ lazy ass, Pip was CLEARLY hands down the most impactful defender.

Oh

[Dro]

People love to mention how Jordan never got calls unlike Lebron.

His whole second three peat was full of generous officiating. 96 finals, this series against Indiana, etc.
People talk about him on here like he was an unstoppable beast.
I definitely have to agree with the series against Indiana...I remember the first 2 games when Indiana got down 0-2...Bulls were getting HEAVY home cooking..Pippen was allowed to basically molest Mark Jackson all the way up the court. After that the home cooking really came into full effect in the 4th quarter of game 7, just like it did in game 6 against LA in the 2000 Finals...

[Dro]

You just said he wasn't a drama queen. Walking out on your team to yell at an official is not worth it. They lost their best clutch player.
He's not really saying that..He's saying MJ was not a FLOPPER...I think its pretty obvious what he's saying and that part is true...All the other stuff, MJ did do...

[gengiskhan]

What was jordan's shooting %?

two games MJ shot nearly 60%FG.

now what is Pippens FG% for the series? :lol:

then we'll talk MJs. :roll:

& why are you running away from Pippen CHOCKING 4 free throws & losing the game on his own! :no:

[gengiskhan]

He's not really saying that..He's saying MJ was not a FLOPPER...I think its pretty obvious what he's saying and that part is true...All the other stuff, MJ did do...

These guys are so full of it.

I'm not even a Jordan stan.

BUT

Game 4, Miller literally runs into jordan PLUS he chest shoves jordan with both hands hard & curls & hits a game winner!

That was a clear offensive call as a daylight

& IND got their best HOME COOKING by refs.

Jordan did not bait refs, no flopping just gets back in the play & goes after reggie game winner!

[hitmanyr2k]

I always hear shit like "Pippen did the intangibles and played defense" and MJ didn't?

Not that the dude you quoted said that btw, just an argument people try to say to try to diminish MJ.

MJ did everything Pip did while having to carry the offensive load and all the pressure. People confuse him for Kobe for some reason.



http://youtu.be/jpOS6pLB8gg?t=58s

Bullshit. Jordan didn't do this. That's Pippen expending the energy to ballhawk Mark Jackson fullcourt to waste time on the shot clock. And look what happens when Jackson can't see over Pippen and has to throw cross court passes. Easy steal for Ron Harper and a layup. Pippen then blocks Smits to prevent a high percentage shot. Then cuts Jackson off when trying to fast break. Then gets another steal on Smits and gives it up to Jordan for the dunk. Those are called easy buckets and it was Pippen's defense causing that shit. Dude went 1-9 for 4 points but he dominated the hell out of that game (and Game 2) with his defense alone. That's why stats don't say everything and no perimeter player caused as much havoc on defense as Pippen did. He was doing the same shit in the Finals against the Jazz and disrupting their offense as well. And that was Pippen past his prime and banged up.

Prime Pippen was even better...

Some of the best defense of his career here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1KPq0yi40

[plowking]

Holy shit... andgar ethered himself with the defensive ratings post. LOLOLOLOL...

This shit is hilarious.

[tpols]

I'm not a big fan of individual DRTG for perimeter guys, but do you realize a lower DRTG is better? :oldlol:
lol was gonna say..this goes opposite of what hes saying..

Andgar shouldve realized there's no way Jordan coildve been that much ahead. It was in reverse :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:oldlol:

It's OK andgar, I've made that mistake in the past ... :(

[andgar923]

http://youtu.be/jpOS6pLB8gg?t=58s

Bullshit. Jordan didn't do this. That's Pippen expending the energy to ballhawk Mark Jackson fullcourt to waste time on the shot clock. And look what happens when Jackson can't see over Pippen and has to throw cross court passes. Easy steal for Ron Harper and a layup. Pippen then blocks Smits to prevent a high percentage shot. Then cuts Jackson off when trying to fast break. Then gets another steal on Smits and gives it up to Jordan for the dunk. Those are called easy buckets and it was Pippen's defense causing that shit. Dude went 1-9 for 4 points but he dominated the hell out of that game (and Game 2) with his defense alone. That's why stats don't say everything and no perimeter player caused as much havoc on defense as Pippen did. He was doing the same shit in the Finals against the Jazz and disrupting their offense as well. And that was Pippen past his prime and banged up.

Prime Pippen was even better...

Some of the best defense of his career here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1KPq0yi40

Of course

[OldSchoolBBall]

Is this jackass really trying to suggest that Pippen was the better player during the Pacers series? :oldlol: 32/6/4/48% FG and fantastic defense all series versus 17/8/5/39% FG and better defense is no contest.

Jordan's defensive impact in the '98 Pacers series was greater than Kobe has ever had in any post 2001 playoff series. He shut down Miller/Mullin/Rose for key quarters/halves, broke up 2-on-1 and 3-on-1 fastbreaks by himself, made game-saving blocks, and got his hands on a ton of balls all series. GTFOH with this bullshit. :oldlol:

[tpols]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Of course

[andgar923]

:oldlol:

It's OK andgar, I've made that mistake in the past ... :(
:banghead: :banghead:

Yeah I got it wrong, but that wasn't actually my main point.

Cats trying to act as tho Pip was miles ahead of MJ and MJ didn't deserve any props for playing defense, when the numbers are closer than they make it seem.

They forget how terrible Pip was offensively, how MJ had to carry Pip's ass (again) and still play defense. They make it seem as tho poor Pip was doing all the work defensively with no help from MJ. Defense wins chips no doubt, but they forget who was the person leading the charge with his intensity on and off the court.

People concentrate on Pip's defense because that's all they can concentrate on. While MJ was just as responsible if not more on the defensive end.

[andgar923]

lol wasnt Pippen more banged up than MJ in 98?

Did I state otherwise?

My point was MJ wasn't 100% himself either, yet he makes it seem as tho poor Pip had to carry the load, poor Pip was so banged up yet he was expanding so much effort in trying to guard the extremely fast Jackson, how could he do it!!! the travesty

[K Xerxes]

Pippen is the most underappreciated player in history because numbers don't highlight his impact... he was awful offensively in that series and the whole playoffs too, but superb & crucial defensively, and it pisses me off when people ****ing don't understand that.

But Michael was great as well. And easily better and more valuable than Pippen. He carried the offensive load. There is really no argument as to who the MVP of that series and the playoffs was...

[Bandito]

Both were on the road.

Both were ECFs.

Both were 1 game away from NBA finals.

But 1998 IND game 7 was an absolute nail biter. They almost pulled it off in chicago. won just by 5 pts.

2013 IND team got BLOWN OUT to much weaker MIA team compared to 1998 CHI.

Even though, both Game 7s are painful losses to IND franchise

BUT

Dat 1998 Miller led IND team. Clearly was the best team in the East & NBA that yr despite the 3rd best record :bowdown: :bowdown:

They deserved to win the championship.

Just giving a shout out to the best team in IND franchise history.
...pauk is that you?

[gengiskhan]

Pippen is the most underappreciated player in history because numbers don't highlight his impact... he was awful offensively in that series and the whole playoffs too, but superb & crucial defensively, and it pisses me off when people ****ing don't understand that.

But Michael was great as well. And easily better and more valuable than Pippen. He carried the offensive load. There is really no argument as to who the MVP of that series and the playoffs was...

faaak all tis gai shyte!

forget how pippen was offensively the whole series!

Where was Pippen in Game 7 AT HOME, his comfort zone when MJ needed him the most?

Pippen needed a solid 20+ pts game. & please dont shyte me with Pip pulled down 12 rebs. MJ himself pulled down 9 rebs with 2 crucial offensive rebs in crunch time that decided the game. on top of 8 assists which was Pippen's job as a ball handler!. MJ covered Pip's rear end big time here!

In game 7, at home only 3 players showed up.

1. Jordan: the only starter SHOWED UP out of 5! (28/9/8)

2. Kukoc: 2nd best performance next to MJ with very good solid 21 pts game.

3. Kerr: had a decent 11 pts game!


Everyone incl. Pip were choking & panicing!

Pippen is the most overrated player in NBA history along with Kobe.

Only reason Pip is talked about so much is he was MJ's side-kick for life!

He rode MJ the hardest.

[gengiskhan]

Pippen is the most underappreciated player in history because numbers don't highlight his impact... he was awful offensively in that series and the whole playoffs too, but superb & crucial defensively, and it pisses me off when people ****ing don't understand that.

But Michael was great as well. And easily better and more valuable than Pippen. He carried the offensive load. There is really no argument as to who the MVP of that series and the playoffs was...

first round vs NETS. jordan was MVP

2nd round vs HORNETs: Jordan was MVP

Conf. FInals vs IND : jordan was MVP (its not close as you think just cuz Pip became defensive specialist the whole series

Finals vs Jazz: Jordan was MVP


Overrated Pip is no where to be found. as usual, lost in tranlation!. :coleman:

[tpols]

first round vs NETS. jordan was MVP

2nd round vs HORNETs: Jordan was MVP

Conf. FInals vs IND : jordan was MVP (its not close as you think just cuz Pip became defensive specialist the whole series

Finals vs Jazz: Jordan was MVP


Overrated Pip is no where to be found. as usual, lost in tranlation!. :coleman:
So because Pippen wasnt better than the GOAT he was no good?:oldlol:

Thats exactly the logic that gets him severely underrated.. youre holding him to a ridiculous standard

[gengiskhan]

So because Pippen wasnt better than the GOAT he was no good?:oldlol:

Thats exactly the logic that gets him severely underrated.. youre holding him to a ridiculous standard

Dude. 33 yrs old Pip was the worse of all the Pip.

forget injury excuses, he was just playmaker ball handler & defensive specialist.

offensively, he was completely averaged. Thank god. Kukoc & kerr picked up Pip's slack every 3rd game.

16 ppg ave in ECF. :facepalm :facepalm

com'on now.

Thats half the jordan's appx 32 ppg.

BTW, this is called reality check. & yes, Pippen is that overrated!

[andgar923]

So because Pippen wasnt better than the GOAT he was no good?:oldlol:

Thats exactly the logic that gets him severely underrated.. youre holding him to a ridiculous standard

I'll speak for myself.

I value and aknowledge Pip's contributions. His play was needed for the Bulls to win, in order for the Bulls to win without a center they had to be very mobile defensively and Pip was perfect for that.

The issue most people have is when some try to elevate Pip's role (as you've seen here). They try to add more value to his contributions while ignoring the fact that MJ played equal defense while having to carry the load offensively. Imagine if MJ didn't have to worry about offense because the defense didn't concentrate on him? yet he was just as good as Pip defensively.

But according to some people, Pip did everything else while Mj just shot the ball, didn't play defense, didn't provide the intangibles, didn't sacrifice anything but shoot.

They also LOVE to mention the very few times Pip actually stepped it up offensively and had big plays as evidence of how HE was responsible for their success. They igonore the HUNDREDS of times (literally) that MJ had to carry his team to a win. Somehow the handful outweighs the hundreds… go figure :confusedshrug:

Pip is a great player that helped MJ win, NOT the other way around.

[ChrisKreager]

This is eerily similar to their 1995 game 7 ECF at Orlando:

On the road, 3 seed, against top seed from Florida, Marv Albert calling the game, pulling away for keeps in the 2nd half

[K Xerxes]

But according to some people, Pip did everything else while Mj just shot the ball, didn't play defense, didn't provide the intangibles, didn't sacrifice anything but shoot.

They also LOVE to mention the very few times Pip actually stepped it up offensively and had big plays as evidence of how HE was responsible for their success. They igonore the HUNDREDS of times (literally) that MJ had to carry his team to a win. Somehow the handful outweighs the hundreds… go figure :confusedshrug:

Pip is a great player that helped MJ win, NOT the other way around.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Who doesn't deny that MJ was 'the man', the leader, the best player, the MVP and the heart & soul of the team? Who doesn't deny that MJ is the greatest two way player of all time? But Pippen was the perfect and necessary robin. And his defense, particularly, was crucial to allow MJ to exert his energy on offense where it was required in many games.

Giving the credit Pippen deserves does not demean MJ's accomplishments, status and unrivalled dominance in any way. However, it's the notion that MJ 'won on his own' and Pippen 'went along on the ride' that makes it seem like Pippen was expendable. He was not.

[hitmanyr2k]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Who doesn't deny that MJ was 'the man', the leader, the best player, the MVP and the heart & soul of the team? Who doesn't deny that MJ is the greatest two way player of all time? But Pippen was the perfect and necessary robin. And his defense, particularly, was crucial to allow MJ to exert his energy on offense where it was required in many games.

Giving the credit Pippen deserves does not demean MJ's accomplishments, status and unrivalled dominance in any way. However, it's the notion that MJ 'won on his own' and Pippen 'went along on the ride' that makes it seem like Pippen was expendable. He was not.

Exactly. It seems the more Lebron stans try to pump Lebron up to Jordan's level in this weak ass era the more Jordan stans go crazy and respond with their own bullshit Superman myths to prop up Jordan. It's sickening to see. True Bulls fans know Pippen's impact went way beyond numbers.

[K Xerxes]

Exactly. It seems the more Lebron stans try to pump Lebron up to Jordan's level in this weak ass era the more Jordan stans go crazy and respond with their own bullshit Superman myths to prop up Jordan. It's sickening to see. True Bulls fans know Pippen's impact went way beyond numbers.

Yeah, I've noticed that you can tell the difference between a Bulls fan and an MJ stan by how much they value Pippen (and other team mates).

[aceman]

[QUOTE=andgar923]I'll speak for myself.

I value and aknowledge Pip's contributions. His play was needed for the Bulls to win, in order for the Bulls to win without a center they had to be very mobile defensively and Pip was perfect for that.

The issue most people have is when some try to elevate Pip's role (as you've seen here). They try to add more value to his contributions while ignoring the fact that MJ played equal defense while having to carry the load offensively. Imagine if MJ didn't have to worry about offense because the defense didn't concentrate on him? yet he was just as good as Pip defensively.

But according to some people, Pip did everything else while Mj just shot the ball, didn't play defense, didn't provide the intangibles, didn't sacrifice anything but shoot.

They also LOVE to mention the very few times Pip actually stepped it up offensively and had big plays as evidence of how HE was responsible for their success. They igonore the HUNDREDS of times (literally) that MJ had to carry his team to a win. Somehow the handful outweighs the hundreds

[aceman]

Pippen focused on defense during the 1998 post season. he said as much in interviews at the time. go back & read news articles. To suggest mj had the same defensive impact at the time is to rewrite history.

[aceman]

Is this jackass really trying to suggest that Pippen was the better player during the Pacers series? :oldlol: 32/6/4/48% FG and fantastic defense all series versus 17/8/5/39% FG and better defense is no contest.

Jordan's defensive impact in the '98 Pacers series was greater than Kobe has ever had in any post 2001 playoff series. He shut down Miller/Mullin/Rose for key quarters/halves, broke up 2-on-1 and 3-on-1 fastbreaks by himself, made game-saving blocks, and got his hands on a ton of balls all series. GTFOH with this bullshit. :oldlol:

Series was won on defense - pippen's effort against the pacers was one of the great playoff defensive performances.