if LeBron wins the title this year, does he move in the Top 5?

[jzek]

His resume so far:

http://i.imgur.com/8AzgaM8.png

I'm pretty sure the majority has him in the Top 10 already but will winning the title again this year move him in the Top 5 of people's list? :confusedshrug:

[ripthekik]

congrats on getting the Lebron internship position :applause:

[Doranku]

:roll:

[Magic 32]

congrats on getting the Lebron internship position :applause:

:roll:

[bmulls]

He might knock Hakeem out of the top 10

[daj0264]

I have him at 3rd currently so he alreayd is.

[Magic 32]

I have him at 3rd currently so he alreayd is.

http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2010/01/MEL-GIBSON-DRUNK-GIF.gif

[Flash31]

NO

Ahead of him even after another finals mvp and championship

Wilt Chamberlain,Bill Russell,Magic Johnson,Michael Jordan,Tim Duncan,Kareem Abdul Jaabar,Shaq,Kobe Bryant

russell-11
jordan-6
kareem-6

already he cant be top 3,so that leaves 4 or 5
well

magic-5
tim duncan-4,3 finals mvps
shaq-4,3 finals mvps 28000 pts,20,10 career avg
wilt-2 championships,30000 pts,quickest to 30000 pts,the RECORD BOOK,highest rb avg.,most pts tied with Jordan career avg,most rbs

so that leaves Kobe
5 rings,2 finals mvps
30000 pts,5000 assists,5000 rbs

lebron currently has
20000+pts,5000 assists,4000 rbs
1 ring,1 finals mvp,4 mvps

if he gets another its
5 to 2
2 finals mvps to 2
4 mvps wins
but Kobe has him beat in statistical categories like pts,longevity,sustainance


so,top 5 now after only 2 rings but not shattering or making records or sheer domination like wilt and not playing against the most loaded team of all time,and only in his 10th year

NO,NO,NO

Top ten yeah definitely,but top 5 no

russell
jordan
kareem
wilt
magic

shaq
duncan
kobe

he can crack top ten and be 8th replacing kobe but one more ring still wont make him better than shaq or duncan

[FKAri]

Yes.

If he's in a game 7 in the NBA finals and he makes the game winning shot he's in the top 5 easily. If he misses that shot by 2 inches he falls outside the top 10 imo. if he only misses by 1 inch than he probably remains in the top 10 but only barely.

[Carbine]

I think he would be safely in the top 10.

[daj0264]

http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2010/01/MEL-GIBSON-DRUNK-GIF.gif



Durant and Parker are clearly better...

[Flash31]

I have him at 3rd currently so he alreayd is.


3rd with only 1 ring,1 finals mvp,4 mvps

he must hold a lot of records,be dominating the league,literally have the record book on lock,something right?

bc

russell has 11 rings
jordan has 6 finals mvps,6 rings
kareem has 6 titles,38000 pts,avg 20,10 for his career

and in no way shape or form is he better than wilt or shaq or magic right now compared to their careers so

how I mean I realize you drop to your knees about lebron,but wow

[daj0264]

3rd with only 1 ring,1 finals mvp,4 mvps

he must hold a lot of records,be dominating the league,literally have the record book on lock,something right?

bc

russell has 11 rings
jordan has 6 finals mvps,6 rings
kareem has 6 titles,38000 pts,avg 20,10 for his career

and in no way shape or form is he better than wilt or shaq or magic right now compared to their careers so

how I mean I realize you drop to your knees about lebron,but wow


Durant and Parker are clearly better...

[bmulls]

Durant and Parker are clearly better...

:biggums:

Oh, Apr 2013

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Crafty]

No, If he wins he will get into top 10.

[Fudge]

Most people have him just outside the top 10 behind Hakeem. but if he wins again, he cracks top 10 to me, taking out Hakeem, and maybe going ahead of Kobe. I'll have him at 9 or 10 depending on the day. A 3rd title and he moves past Shaq, Duncan, and probably Wilt.

[r15mohd]

he won't crack top 5 until his career is near end...he has a lot more to accomplishments to obtain and will need to continue his top tier play for a few years to do so

jordan
russell
kareem
wilt
magic

larry
shaq
duncan
oscar/hakeem/kobe
oscar/hakeem/kobe

however, if he does win and gets FMVP...he's in the top 10 for sure, Kobe is definitely pushed out of it and I put him ahead of Big O too

[sportjames23]

I have him at 3rd currently so he alreayd is.


http://www.elatadexico.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/gif-piada-risada.gif

[nightprowler10]

He's not top 10 yet. If I were to make a cumulative top 10, I think it lays out so that even ignoring the top six (MJ, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Magic and Bird) and other greats like West, Isiah, and Hakeem, he still has to get past Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe from post-2000 era to even sniff the top 5.

If he wins this year, he's got a strong argument against Isiah.

[nightprowler10]

Most people have him just outside the top 10 behind Hakeem. but if he wins again, he cracks top 10 to me, taking out Hakeem, and maybe going ahead of Kobe. I'll have him at 9 or 10 depending on the day. A 3rd title and he moves past Shaq, Duncan, and probably Wilt.
I wouldn't be against that at all, but it also depends on how it all goes down.

[Doranku]

He's not top 10 yet. If I were to make a cumulative top 10, I think it lays out so that even ignoring the top six (MJ, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Magic and Bird) and other greats like West, Isiah, and Hakeem, he still has to get past Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe from post-2000 era to even sniff the top 5.

If he wins this year, he's got a strong argument against Isiah.

I'll never understand why there are so many people who put Bird in their Immortal 6 when Duncan and arguably Shaq were better players/had longer, more successful careers.

[BoutPractice]

By knowledgeable fans' standards as well as in the popular imagination he'd safely land in the top 10, edging Hakeem due to a greater number of seasons where he was considered the best player in the league. (You could argue Hakeem had a better peak, but not so much better that it compensates for LeBron's consistant dominance).

Considering his talent and production, 3 titles as the main piece would get him in the top 5 discussion, 4 titles would seal the top 5, 5 or more would get him in the top 3. He'd also get bonus points (especially over the likes of Bird and Magic) if he has longevity. In my opinion overtaking Bird and Magic in most people's minds is the highest potential he can reasonably be expected to achieve.

[r15mohd]

I'll never understand why there are so many people who put Bird in their Immortal 6 when Duncan and arguably Shaq were better players/had longer, more successful careers.


you have a case with Shaq...but Larry was more impactful with the Celts during the 80s as he took down the Lakers powerhouse back then.

[kNicKz]

top 20, easily

[Dragonyeuw]

As hard as it would be for me to do, a ring and FMVP this year and he arguably nudges Hakeem out of the top ten. Alot of Hakeem's legacy is built on those back to back titles, particularly the 95 playoff run and the dismantling of David Robinson. The 2011 finals collapse aside( and yes you can't simply dismiss that), Lebron's had a 4 year run from 2009-2013 that ranks right up there with the best of all-time.

And he's 28.

[Doranku]

you have a case with Shaq...but Larry was more impactful with the Celts during the 80s as he took down the Lakers powerhouse back then.
You neglect to mention that the Celtics outside of Larry were a powerhouse as well.

[DMAVS41]

I think he would be safely in the top 10.

He would be in that 8-11 range...you've got;

MJ
Russell
Magic
Wilt
Kareem
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Lebron

Those are, without a doubt, the 11 best players of all time the way rankings are done. I personally don't think Lebron deserves to be ranked over the Shaq, Bird, Hakeem, Kobe...tier if he wins yet.

But he'll officially be on that tier.

Lebron needs to win 3 titles in my opinion to get into the conversation with the top 6.

[razzredazzre]

maybe top 100

[UConnCeltics]

I don't usually get into this top 10 stuff, but if the Heat win the Finals this is how I think it should look:

MJ
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Kobe
LeBron
Duncan

[Nash]

Lebron is already top 5 individually. But if you involve team success into thet equation then obviously not right now. But 2 rings, 2 FMVP, 4x MVP, 4x finalist and the stats and his very highly rated game, he could be very close.

[BigTicket]

No, If he wins he will get into top 10.

Agreed.

For top 5 I think he needs 3+ rings.

[2010splash]

Of course, easily. Everyone puts Wilt in the top 5 and yet he has 4 MVP's and 2 titles (1 Finals MVP). LeBron will have 4 MVP's and 2 titles (2 Finals MVP's) and was way more instrumental to his team's success in his second title than Wilt was in his second title. Barely in the top 10 is just a joke. LeBron is the most dominant non-Jordan player ever and will have the accolades and hardware now as well.

Only player clearly ahead of him after a ring is Jordan. After a title, he's as high as #2 and as low as #4.

[chazzy]

Of course, easily. Everyone puts Wilt in the top 5 and yet he has 4 MVP's and 2 titles (1 Finals MVP). LeBron will have 4 MVP's and 2 titles (2 Finals MVP's) and was way more instrumental to his team's success in his second title than Wilt was in his second title. Barely in the top 10 is just a joke. LeBron is the most dominant non-Jordan player ever and will have the accolades and hardware now as well.

Only player clearly ahead of him after a ring is Jordan. After a title, he's as high as #2 and as low as #4.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4620615&postcount=63

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6016780&postcount=50

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6016809&postcount=52

[Fudge]

Of course, easily. Everyone puts Wilt in the top 5 and yet he has 4 MVP's and 2 titles (1 Finals MVP). LeBron will have 4 MVP's and 2 titles (2 Finals MVP's) and was way more instrumental to his team's success in his second title than Wilt was in his second title. Barely in the top 10 is just a joke. LeBron is the most dominant non-Jordan player ever and will have the accolades and hardware now as well.

Only player clearly ahead of him after a ring is Jordan. After a title, he's as high as #2 and as low as #4.
:oldlol:

Lebron stans have got to be the worst... And yes, worse than Kobe stans.

[Fudge]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4620615&postcount=63

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6016780&postcount=50
:roll: :roll:

[2010splash]

:oldlol:

Lebron stans have got to be the worst... And yes, worse than Kobe stans.
You have got to be the worst. Blindly throwing out smiley emoticons because your argument is weak. I give a perfect example of the idiotic hypocrisy of Wilt Chamberlain being universally regarded as a top 3-5 player all-time while LeBron James with an identical career resume (and a more impressive second title run) somehow "just moves into the top 10" and people with no argument like you respond "LeBron stans are the worst because they disagree with my flawed logic."

[tpols]

You have got to be the worst. Blindly throwing out smiley emoticons because your argument is weak. I give a perfect example of the idiotic hypocrisy of Wilt Chamberlain being universally regarded as a top 3-5 player all-time while LeBron James with an identical career resume (and a more impressive second title run) somehow "just moves into the top 10" and people with no argument like you respond "LeBron stans are the worst because they disagree with my flawed logic."
Youre a fvcking idiot dude and no one respects your opinion.

[2010splash]

Youre a fvcking idiot dude and no one respects your opinion.Don't cry because I rip your grade school arguments to shreds clown. :cry:

[nightprowler10]

I'll never understand why there are so many people who put Bird in their Immortal 6 when Duncan and arguably Shaq were better players/had longer, more successful careers.
Larry Legend could arguably have had a much more successful career if not for Magic's Lakers. Though I like how you question Larry's inclusion but not Magic's, who had a stacked team himself.

I'm certainly not gonna hold his bad back against him. He tried like hell to play with injuries but just couldn't do it anymore.

[gengiskhan]

Agreed.

For top 5 I think he needs 3+ rings.

This!

10th Position of GOAT is LOCKED!

4 x MVPs
2 x FMVPs
1 x ROTY

all means this....

1. jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6 Russell
7. Hakeem
8. Shaq
9. Big O
10.LBJ

3-peat will put him over Big O shaq & Hakeem.

very close to bird & russell.

[chazzy]

Don't cry because I rip your grade school arguments to shreds clown. :cry:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4620615&postcount=63

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6016780&postcount=50

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6016809&postcount=52

Let's see you rip your own arguments to shreds

[2010splash]

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

That's what it looks like after this year.

[nightprowler10]

I'm surprised to see so few mentions of the Logo when talking about a top 10 list.

[chazzy]

This!

10th Position of GOAT is LOCKED!

4 x MVPs
2 x FMVPs
1 x ROTY

all means this....

1. jordan
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Bird
6 Russell
7. Hakeem
8. Shaq
9. Big O
10.LBJ

3-peat will put him over Big O shaq & Hakeem.

very close to bird & russell.
Lebron and Kobe are already ahead of Oscar all time. Weak team success and 1 title as the 2nd option

[tpols]

Don't cry because I rip your grade school arguments to shreds clown. :cry:
lol youve never had an argument to begin with.

Wilt won MVPs in a golden age for Centers.. Bill Russel, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed... He was competing with absurd talent.

Who was Lebron's competition for MVPs?

Exiting prime Kobe
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Dwight Howard lol
Derrick Rose

??? Anyone else. Its a joke.

Lebron started snatching MVPs as all of the legends KG, Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, Shaq, were exiting their primes or the league itself.

And now hes in one of the LEAST competitive eras of all time in the time gap between the old legends retiring and the new ones developing meanwhile having a STACKED team formed through collusion to battle it out with the lesser competition. Total fraud lol

Bucks
Third string bulls
Pacers
Old Spurs

He SHOULD be going for a threepeat because that loss to the mavs was a disgrace.. and that title run was yet another cakewalk.

Despite all of that, he doesnt even touch Wilt's individual dominance nor come close to breaking all the records Wilt broke.

[NBAller]

LeBron kobe and mj are the best players i've seen play. don't care what these old guys have to say, nor do i care if they like it or not.

also, i dont factor in team accomplishments when talking about a persons rank over another person.

[Fudge]

You have got to be the worst. Blindly throwing out smiley emoticons because your argument is weak. I give a perfect example of the idiotic hypocrisy of Wilt Chamberlain being universally regarded as a top 3-5 player all-time while LeBron James with an identical career resume (and a more impressive second title run) somehow "just moves into the top 10" and people with no argument like you respond "LeBron stans are the worst because they disagree with my flawed logic."
I'm with you now brother. :rockon:

[2010splash]

lol youve never had an argument to begin with.

Wilt won MVPs in a golden age for Centers.. Bill Russel, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed... He was competing with absurd talent.

Who was Lebron's competition for MVPs?

Exiting prime Kobe
Kevin Durant
Dwayne Wade
Dwight Howard lol
Derrick Rose

??? Anyone else. Its a joke.

Lebron started snatching MVPs as all of the legends KG, Duncan, Dirk, Kobe, Shaq, were exiting their primes or the league itself.

And now hes in one of the LEAST competitive eras of all time in the time gap between the old legends retiring and the new ones developing meanwhile having a STACKED team formed through collusion to battle it out with the lesser competition. Total fraud lol

Bucks
Third string bulls
Pacers
Old Spurs

He SHOULD be going for a threepeat because that loss to the mavs was a disgrace.. and that title run was yet another cakewalk.

Despite all of that, he doesnt even touch Wilt's individual dominance nor come close to breaking all the records Wilt broke.
Wilt won his awards in the weakest era ever. 60's ball featured absolutely terrible athletes who were undersized and lacking in fundamentals. The fact that you even bring up the

[chazzy]

2010splash is a gimmick account :oldlol:

[Fudge]

He's already Top 5, quit kidding yourself.

[Mass Debator]

Nope. Maybe 9-11 depending what your criteria are.

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Magic
Russell/Bird

[All Net]

Most will have him in the top 10 Imagine..

[ThaRegul8r]

If you want him in the Top 5, then just put him there already. I don't see why it would be necessary to see what everyone else is doing first.

[dh144498]

so OP is saying Lebron will jump from 30 to 5 with just 1 more championship.

:coleman:

[Le Shaqtus]

He's definitely top 10, but if he wins this year he's still outside the top 5. It'll take another chip to do that, it won't matter if he wins another MVP, at this point it's just a popularity contest.

[nosfan773]

all these shitty rankings

[Solefade]

#8 GOAT if he wins this year, top 5 if he wins another ring and mvp

[ThaRegul8r]

all these shitty rankings

The majority are agenda-driven anyway, so it's pointless. It becomes nothing more than a pissing contest between people for their favorite players.

[Fudge]

It's already been established.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. LeBron
5. Kobe

[dh144498]

It's already been established.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. LeBron
5. Kobe

:bowdown:

[lilgodfather1]

I'll just start off by saying no. The highest he can be with one more title is #5, but that's only if he finishes his career with 40k points, and 10k rebounds and assists.

If he wins this year, assuming perfect/good health, then i'd say with no other titles LeBron would be 7th all time when he retires.

The very second he wins it i'll have him at 9 behind Duncan and Bird. By the end of the year i'll likely have him above Bird, when he passes Bird in career points.

[diamenz]

imo - never top five no matter what he does. someone that flops and ran away to another team because he can't beat his rivals just does not deserve a top five ranking.

the only thing bron will be remembered for are his stats.

[Ne 1]

This is how I currently have it:

First tier (strong GOAT candidates): Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain

Second tier: (weak GOAT candidates): Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal

Third tier: (Top 5 at best candidates): Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon

Fourth tier (weak top 10 candidates): Moses Malone, Jerry West, LeBron James, Julius Erving, Oscar Robertson

[grantz]

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Kareem
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Hakeem

That's what it looks like after this year.

Wow... pushing down Magic after a second championship? You know that guy, got like 46pts 12rebounds playing all 5 positions and won it for the Lakers on his rookie year right?

His most amazing accomplishment is surviving 30 years with HIV though which is pretty much GOAT.

[tazb]

He's hovering around top 10 currently. If he wins another ring + finals MVP this year. He's officially in the top 10 no debate. If he gets another MVP + ring + finals MVP again next year, then he's officially in the top 5.

5x MVP, 3x Champion, 3x Finals MVP.

:eek:

[2010splash]

Wow... pushing down Magic after a second championship? You know that guy, got like 46pts 12rebounds playing all 5 positions and won it for the Lakers on his rookie year right?

His most amazing accomplishment is surviving 30 years with HIV though which is pretty much GOAT.
LeBron is a much better all around player than Magic and dominates both ends of the floor. Nobody would argue that Magic is a better individual. So then the only reason people would rank Magic over LeBron is because of his titles, which I think is dumb because Magic was drafted onto a championship team while LeBron only had a championship team around him after 7 seasons. But yeah, if that's your criteria then I guess you can rank Magic over him, but he's clearly the worse player.

In terms of pure dominance, the greatest players of all time and the "Big 4" are Jordan, LeBron, Shaq and Wilt. Guys like Kobe and Bird don't belong in the same class as those 4. As great as Duncan, Hakeem and Russell were, they were also clearly worse individual players than those 4. And ultimately we are ranking players, not the teams they played for.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This is how I currently have it:

First tier (strong GOAT candidates): Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Michael Jordan, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain

Second tier: (weak GOAT candidates): Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Shaquille O'Neal

Third tier: (Top 5 at best candidates): Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon

Fourth tier (weak top 10 candidates): Moses Malone, Jerry West, LeBron James, Julius Erving, Oscar Robertson
I agree with this ...

But question, if Bron wins another ring this year, as well as FMVP again. How do you not have him leap frog Kobe and Hakeem? Maybe even Duncan as well.

2x Championships
4x MVPs
2x Finals MVPs
2x Olympic Gold Medals

At the STILL young age of only 28 years old?

His 3 more MVPs to Kobe's 1 MVP in my basketball opinion is more impressive than Kobe's contributions to the 2000 and 2002 Lakers championships.

The 3x more MVPs than Hakeem, along with just as many championships in my basketball opinion is more impressive as well.

From here on out, if LeBron racks up major awards: MVP, Championships, and Finals MVPs ... he will immediately start leap frogging people at a rapid pace.

Think about it ... his individual dominance with 2 rings (if he wins this year) and he's basically matched Wilt's team accomplishments. And for his era is probably as dominant relative to the competition and style of play.

LeBron will shoot up the ranks quickly with rings. If he goes back to Cleveland, and helps that young team win ... IMO he will get even bigger points for context.

[pauk]

Top 10 yes, not sure about Top 5.

[RichieW]

Im no Kobe fan, but I don't see how he could overtake Kobe, Duncan or Shaq with just 2 titles.

He might surpass Hakeem at #10.

[Lebron23]

Top 7-8 player of all time. Was Jordan already a top 5-8 player of all time when he won his 2nd NBA Championship in 1992?

[Fudge]

He's top 5 right now. When he wins this year, he's surpassing GAWDBE, moving up to 4.

[1987_Lakers]

In terms of peak play you can argue LeBron is top 5 all time. If he wins a title this year I will have him top 10 career wise bumping Hakeem.

[COnDEMnED]

His resume so far:

http://i.imgur.com/8AzgaM8.png

I'm pretty sure the majority has him in the Top 10 already but will winning the title again this year move him in the Top 5 of people's list? :confusedshrug:
This is becoming unbearable, what is wrong with you people?

[Lakers2877]

Nah. Probably top 10 though. Only a matter of time anyways. I fully expect him to finish in the top 3-5 when it's all said and done though

[Bernie Nips]

I'll never understand why there are so many people who put Bird in their Immortal 6 when Duncan and arguably Shaq were better players/had longer, more successful careers.

Bird's career was cut short because he was the superstar who also played like a hustle player and got cut down by injuries because of that. By the end of 1986, he was being called the Greatest of All Time (ahead of Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem). He was that dominant.

Kareem and Magic also had each other - two top 5 players playing on the same team. The Celtics team was stacked, sure, but not "2 top 5 players of all time" stacked. Think about it. People are complaining about LeBron joining up with another top 5 player and another top 15 player to win. Wade hasn't really played like a top 5 player this year, and Bosh is no longer a top 15 player, but that's just in the league at the moment. Imagine if he was able to play with a top 5 talent OF ALL TIME.

And Bird managed to lead a team to beat them in their prime.

Bird gets CRIMINALLY underrated on this board.

[COnDEMnED]

Bird's career was cut short because he was the superstar who also played like a hustle player and got cut down by injuries because of that. By the end of 1986, he was being called the Greatest of All Time (ahead of Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem). He was that dominant.

Kareem and Magic also had each other - two top 5 players playing on the same team. The Celtics team was stacked, sure, but not "2 top 5 players of all time" stacked. Think about it. People are complaining about LeBron joining up with another top 5 player and another top 15 player to win. Wade hasn't really played like a top 5 player this year, and Bosh is no longer a top 15 player, but that's just in the league at the moment. Imagine if he was able to play with a top 5 talent OF ALL TIME.

And Bird managed to lead a team to beat them in their prime.

Bird gets CRIMINALLY underrated on this board.
The other teams were still so good in the 80's, the Lakers still didn't win every year with 2 top 10 players of all time and great supporting cast. Think about that.

[Bernie Nips]

The other teams were still so good in the 80's, the Lakers still didn't win every year with 2 top 10 players of all time and great supporting cast. Think about that.

They went to 7 Finals with 5 victories in 10 years with no significant gaps in between (81, 83, 86). That's a pretty good return in anyone's books.

[TheFan]

He becomes top 10. if He wins 3 title, he is top 5, if he wins 4, he is the GOAT.
Assuming he keeps those numbers.