Win or lose Miami needs to end this big 3 experiment.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Keep LeBron obviously. Trade Wade while he still has some value, trade Bosh. Build again around LeBron.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Keep LeBron obviously. Trade Wade while he still has some value, trade Bosh. Build again around LeBron.

No thanks.

Wade stays until he decides to retire. He's a Heatle for life and I would have it no other way.


Trade Bosh though. I've had enough of him.

[bluechox2]

who is he gonna pass to? he need players with bigger egos

[Draz]

I agree. This team looks ready to explode because their not complementing each other.

[SyRyanYang]

Trade Bosh for a paint protecter/rebounder like Noah.
Make Wade coming off the bench.
Keep Spo.

[inclinerator]

how about lebron just play up to his expectation

[BlazersDozen]

DeMarcus Cousins contract is up the same time as Bosh & Wade's...just saying...

[aj1987]

How about we trade Lebron for Pekovic and Love?
Wade
Chalmers
Bosh
Love
Pekovic

Guaranteed to win a title.

[lebeast666]

how about lebron just play up to his expectation

This. LeBron plays his game he's capable of playing then they are unbeatable. But ya just never know what LeBron you're gonna get in the finals.

[eriX]

heat is not going to part ways to wade... so they should just trade lebron to another team and start rebuilding cause wade can't contend anymore, if they trade away everything for picks and scraps they can start tanking next season. This should be seriously considered due to wades level of play and his constant injuries... you can't afford to have any of the big 3 producing at the rate they are now to contend so might as well blow it up

[jrong]

No thanks.

Wade stays until he decides to retire. He's a Heatle for life and I would have it no other way.


Trade Bosh though. I've had enough of him.

Even if it's not what's best for him? You don't think Wade even playing maimed couldn't at least equal his 08 stats if he wasn't under James's thumb? Healthy, the guy can still lead a contender in Miami or elsewhere.

But, if he stays behind LeBron and on a team with incredible depth, then this is what you can expect for the remainder of Wade's career. What else would you expect from his shot totals? Are you enjoying seeing Dwyane Wade like this?

[ConanRulesNBC]

heat is not going to part ways to wade... so they should just trade lebron to another team and start rebuilding cause wade can't contend anymore, if they trade away everything for picks and scraps they can start tanking next season. This should be seriously considered due to wades level of play and his constant injuries... you can't afford to have any of the big 3 producing at the rate they are now to contend so might as well blow it up

Like the Miami fans actually give a crap that much about loyalty? This isn't LA, San Antonio, Chicago, Boston... teams with fans that actually care about that. Wade could be traded and the fans wouldn't give that much of a crap in Miami.

[DixieNourmous]

how about lebron just play up to his expectation

Tru Dat

Box Score shows LeBron +/- @ -32

Cant remember ever seeing that low a -#

Wade @ -29

:wtf:

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Even if it's not what's best for him? You don't think Wade even playing maimed couldn't at least equal his 08 stats if he wasn't under James's thumb? Healthy, the guy can still lead a contender in Miami or elsewhere.

But, if he stays behind LeBron and on a team with incredible depth, then this is what you can expect for the remainder of Wade's career. What else would you expect from his shot totals? Are you enjoying seeing Dwyane Wade like this?

No, I hate seeing my boy Wade like this. I've been watching him since 04. Even though he has turned into a bit of a diva, I still love him as a player and as a Heat for life player. That man is the reason this team won in 2006, our 1st ring, and why we have a 2nd ring and a chance for more with LBJ + Bosh.


If you force me to pick, I trade LeBron before I trade Wade. Sorry bro. I'd run with Wade + Bosh, which was the initial team we were going to have..... these two guys wanted to play together, regardless of where LBJ was going...

Wade is a better playmaker than LBJ. Fact.

and honestly, I don't like LBJ's game so much. He doesn't really have a go to move, man...... he just lowers his head and bull rush drives.... it's pretty ugly..... or he just pulls up for a J. I was glad he added a post game, but where the F has it been lately? LBJ's game is not very aesthetic / pleasing to the eye either.

I'd rather watch Wade lead the team again. When Wade was the leader of this team pre-2010, he NEVER had terrible games like this. NEVER. Especially not BACK TO BACK..... he always brought it, man. Simply because his game is not easy to shut down....even when we had crappy teams like in 2009 and 2010, vs the Hawks, we may lose the game but Wade is going out GUNNING, he was good for his 30 pts+ and going out with a bang even if it meant he loses the game....... but LBJ.... he's so easy to shut down......

Wade would go back to being top 3 best player in the league if LBJ wasn't on this team dominating the ball.

All of that said, don't overreact. It's only 2-1. Ya'll ALWAYS do this shit. Heat lose a game, and the world is over, LOL HEAT, blow it up, they suck. Then Miami comes back and wins the next game. Series ain't over

[2010splash]

Why should Miami end an experiment that will lead to back to back titles and 3 straight Finals appearances and likely several more titles in the future? That's dumb. It's like saying the Lakers should have broken up Kobe/Shaq after 2001, Bulls should have broken up Jordan/Pippen after 1992, etc. After they win it all, it will become clear that they are too dominant to be broken up.

[Inferno]

DeMarcus Cousins contract is up the same time as Bosh & Wade's...just saying...

Sac won't trade him

[ConanRulesNBC]

Why should Miami end an experiment that will lead to back to back titles and 3 straight Finals appearances and likely several more titles in the future? That's dumb. It's like saying the Lakers should have broken up Kobe/Shaq after 2001, Bulls should have broken up Jordan/Pippen after 1992, etc. After they win it all, it will become clear that they are too dominant to be broken up.

Or... it could lead to 3 straight finals appearances with only 1 title if they lose this year.

Then next year Rose will be back. That Bulls team will be too good for Miami next season. Miami might not even make it back to the finals next season.

I think Miami breaks up in 2014 when LeBron can opt out.

[2010splash]

Or... it could lead to 3 straight finals appearances with only 1 title if they lose this year.

Then next year Rose will be back. That Bulls team will be too good for Miami next season. Miami might not even make it back to the finals next season.

I think Miami breaks up in 2014 when LeBron can opt out.
:wtf:

They aren't losing this year. Read up on your history. This is one of the all-time dominant teams, as evidenced by their 66 wins, 27-game winning streak, and 4-time MVP winner in 5 years. No team this dominant accomplishes anything less than a title.

Just because they're running into some minor trouble here and there in the playoffs doesn't mean they'll lose the series. Same people here probably thought Indiana would beat this team after Game 2 LMAO!! :roll:

Heat in 6, repeat as champs. LeBron is in his prime for another 4-5 years. Miami is a dynasty in the making. He's not leaving for some crappy 20 win Cleveland team or some dysfunctional and old LA team. It'll all be clear to you after they win it all this year.

[Eric Cartman]

:wtf:

They aren't losing this year. Read up on your history. This is one of the all-time dominant teams, as evidenced by their 66 wins, 27-game winning streak, and 4-time MVP winner in 5 years. No team this dominant accomplishes anything less than a title.

Just because they're running into some minor trouble here and there in the playoffs doesn't mean they'll lose the series. Same people here probably thought Indiana would beat this team after Game 2 LMAO!! :roll:

Heat in 6, repeat as champs. LeBron is in his prime for another 4-5 years. Miami is a dynasty in the making. He's not leaving for some crappy 20 win Cleveland team or some dysfunctional and old LA team. It'll all be clear to you after they win it all this year.

Losing by 36 and having your 4 time MVP average 16 is "minor trouble"?

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Maybe Lebron isn't who people said he was :biggums:

:lol

[2010splash]

Losing by 36 and having your 4 time MVP average 16 is "minor trouble"?
When it's Miami and not San Antonio celebrating and hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy in about 1 week, of course this will all look like "minor trouble" and the silly kids overreacting to a few meaningless losses will smack themselves for ever doubting this team.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

When it's Miami and not San Antonio celebrating and hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy in about 1 week, of course this will all look like "minor trouble" and the silly kids overreacting to a few meaningless losses will smack themselves for ever doubting this team.
lol a meaningless blow out?

[ConanRulesNBC]

When it's Miami and not San Antonio celebrating and hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy in about 1 week, of course this will all look like "minor trouble" and the silly kids overreacting to a few meaningless losses will smack themselves for ever doubting this team.

:roll:

[2010splash]

lol a meaningless blow out?
Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Miami goes on to win the next 3 games and therefore the championship (which they will), wouldn't that render a Game 3 win, no matter how big it was, meaningless since it didn't help in achieving the ultimate goal of winning the CHAMPIONSHIP?

Sorry suckers!!! This was Miami's year from the beginning. 66 wins, 27 in a row, 37-2 to finish the year, 4th MVP, etc - all this sh-t is straight from a fairy tale. It was destined to end in another title for Miami. Nobody's scared. Heat will repeat and LeBron wins consecutive Finals MVPs.

That's the way it works. I'm out.

[ConanRulesNBC]

:wtf:

They aren't losing this year. Read up on your history. This is one of the all-time dominant teams, as evidenced by their 66 wins, 27-game winning streak, and 4-time MVP winner in 5 years. No team this dominant accomplishes anything less than a title.

Just because they're running into some minor trouble here and there in the playoffs doesn't mean they'll lose the series. Same people here probably thought Indiana would beat this team after Game 2 LMAO!! :roll:

Heat in 6, repeat as champs. LeBron is in his prime for another 4-5 years. Miami is a dynasty in the making. He's not leaving for some crappy 20 win Cleveland team or some dysfunctional and old LA team. It'll all be clear to you after they win it all this year.

:facepalm

[305Baller]

I can't defend Bosh's performances anymore. He looks very uncomfortable out there.

[kshutts1]

If the Heat want to trade Bosh (they shouldn't), here is what they should do:

Heat get: Boozer, Rip, Bulls super-protected first (thinking top 25, top 20, on down the line), Milwaukee's unprotected first (probably next year's, as this year holds little value).

Bulls get: Redick, Ilyasova, Gooden (salary matching)

Bucks get: Bosh

Reasons:
Heat -- Boozer doesn't have the 3p range that Bosh has, but other than that he's a superior rebounder that also has a legit 15-18ft jumper to help space the floor. Neither is great on D, though both have shown the ability to play well within their respective systems. Rip is included to get his salary off the Bulls, but he's also a championship caliber vet. Even if he can't bring a lot to the court, he could to the locker room. Oh, plus two extra first round picks.

Bucks -- They get Bosh. I feel very strongly that if Bosh was the primary option for a team that he would go back to Toronto-type numbers. 23-10 wouldn't surprise me. Then pairing him with Sanders.. they complement each other so well.

Bulls -- Finally get the shooters they have so desperately needed, for so long, and both players have use beyond shooting (Redick has a great bbIQ and Ilyasova is a solid defender and rebounder). Also get out from under Boozer's contract.

One potential hang-up is that Redick would have to be SaT, and I've heard that SaT players can not go to a team already over the cap. So if that's true, and it's "black and white" (no loophole) then that kills this idea.

[All Net]

win or lose? why the hell would you break them up if they win? :facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

they need to trade bosh for a good center. bosh and wade for joakim straight up. jk

[jzek]

* Wade is always injured (read: washed up)
* Bosh can't take over games
* LeBron needs to go to CHI next year

[Doctor Rivers]

If you force me to pick, I trade LeBron before I trade Wade.

lol

[JohnnySic]

It will end soon enough. LeBron is off to the Lakers in '13.

[Frozen1]

Yeah, let's keep only lebron and rely on him all season.

Then when it's the nba finals, let's see him choke and see the team lost because the guy who used to put 30 points on 56% is putting 15 on 38%.

[DukeDelonte13]

Wade

-Wins a ring with Shaq

-Recruits Lebron and Bosh

-won another ring for the franchise

gets traded? :oldlol:

If Miami trades wade it would be an epic slap to the face; but as another poster pointed out i doubt most miami fans would really care.

[BlazersDozen]

Sac won't trade him

He's going to be a free agent...Sac won't have to trade him.

[miles berg]

LeBron is all but a Laker next summer.

[K Xerxes]

No, I hate seeing my boy Wade like this. I've been watching him since 04. Even though he has turned into a bit of a diva, I still love him as a player and as a Heat for life player. That man is the reason this team won in 2006, our 1st ring, and why we have a 2nd ring and a chance for more with LBJ + Bosh.


If you force me to pick, I trade LeBron before I trade Wade. Sorry bro. I'd run with Wade + Bosh, which was the initial team we were going to have..... these two guys wanted to play together, regardless of where LBJ was going...

Wade is a better playmaker than LBJ. Fact.

and honestly, I don't like LBJ's game so much. He doesn't really have a go to move, man...... he just lowers his head and bull rush drives.... it's pretty ugly..... or he just pulls up for a J. I was glad he added a post game, but where the F has it been lately? LBJ's game is not very aesthetic / pleasing to the eye either.

I'd rather watch Wade lead the team again. When Wade was the leader of this team pre-2010, he NEVER had terrible games like this. NEVER. Especially not BACK TO BACK..... he always brought it, man. Simply because his game is not easy to shut down....even when we had crappy teams like in 2009 and 2010, vs the Hawks, we may lose the game but Wade is going out GUNNING, he was good for his 30 pts+ and going out with a bang even if it meant he loses the game....... but LBJ.... he's so easy to shut down......

Wade would go back to being top 3 best player in the league if LBJ wasn't on this team dominating the ball.

All of that said, don't overreact. It's only 2-1. Ya'll ALWAYS do this shit. Heat lose a game, and the world is over, LOL HEAT, blow it up, they suck. Then Miami comes back and wins the next game. Series ain't over

Ironic, because you'll be back to sucking LeBron's nuts if he wins. It's been 2 bad games and you'd rather trade Wade before LeBron? You're crazy.

For sentimental value, I get it. But from a pure basketball perspective... no. LeBron is better than Wade has ever been, especially a dodgy knee Wade with all the defensive attention on him.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

how about lebron just play up to his expectation


Comments like these are why most people do not understand basketball.

Real life is not like NBA 2k series, where you can suddenly decide to switch to Arcade mode, turn off injuries and fatigue, and keep on pounding the Isomotion stick until Lebron gets past a triple team and dunks.

[Dragonyeuw]

The thing is, how do you go about trading Bosh? His contract dictates that he'd either have to be traded straight-up for another star making a similar salary, or a group of players to make the salaries match. He's a good player, but simply can't say he's worth either situation. I can't imagine his value being particularly high at present.

[HurricaneKid]

The thing is, how do you go about trading Bosh? His contract dictates that he'd either have to be traded straight-up for another star making a similar salary, or a group of players to make the salaries match. He's a good player, but simply can't say he's worth either situation. I can't imagine his value being particularly high at present.

No. He would still garner plenty of interest.

The problem is that to be their best they need to trade Wade and they won't.

[PJR]

Same clowns come out of the woodwork with this shit every time the Heat lose a game or trail in a series. Get some new material, Sheesh. :oldlol:

[ShaqAttack3234]

Even if it's not what's best for him? You don't think Wade even playing maimed couldn't at least equal his 08 stats if he wasn't under James's thumb? Healthy, the guy can still lead a contender in Miami or elsewhere.

But, if he stays behind LeBron and on a team with incredible depth, then this is what you can expect for the remainder of Wade's career. What else would you expect from his shot totals? Are you enjoying seeing Dwyane Wade like this?

His 2008 stats came on a 15 win team. I don't think anyone really cares whether he could average 25 ppg on a 15 win team.

You still think he can lead a contender going forward? He'll be 32 next season, and with all of the injuries, it will be become increasingly unlikely Wade can perform at an elite level for extended periods of time.

[r15mohd]

Like the Miami fans actually give a crap that much about loyalty? This isn't LA, San Antonio, Chicago, Boston... teams with fans that actually care about that. Wade could be traded and the fans wouldn't give that much of a crap in Miami.

loyalty is a stupid notion in sports, especially when it comes to players. what would your loyalty be to Chicago and to D.Rose had they dealt him elsewhere? still a chicago fan...a Rose fan?

Wade has lost his step since Lebron's takeover...I've been saying to trade him for years now, could of gotten a very good big man with his stocks high a couple years back. Now if we put him on the market, we'd be lucky to get a descent big in a trade, maybe some fillers if we're lucky.

For me...i'm all about the business of this, organization and titles first...don't care what Wade DID for the Heat prior, it's about what he can do now...which isn't much :facepalm

Keep Lebron and Bosh...ship Wade Chalmers Miller and draft for a worthwhile, healthy and productive center.

[Kingwillball]

Comments like these are why most people do not understand basketball.

Real life is not like NBA 2k series, where you can suddenly decide to switch to Arcade mode, turn off injuries and fatigue, and keep on pounding the Isomotion stick until Lebron gets past a triple team and dunks.

Fact lebron can be more agressive and attack basket..0 fts first time since 2009. Fact heat can put him in better positions to score and be aggressive. Fact if he starts knocking down his shots it will open up rest if his game. Spurs are giving him jumpers he has made all year at a pretty consistant clip. Now all the sudden he is not comfortable taking and making them.

[scm5]

I would try to shop Bosh and Wade for Love and Pek.

Pekovic/Andersen
Love/Haslem
Lebron/Battier
Allen/Miller
Chalmers/Cole

That team would be so solid. You've got shooters on the perimeter, plus Love, who would stretch out the floor a lot for Pek and Bron to post up.

If this happens, I would shit my pants.

[kshutts1]

The thing is, how do you go about trading Bosh? His contract dictates that he'd either have to be traded straight-up for another star making a similar salary, or a group of players to make the salaries match. He's a good player, but simply can't say he's worth either situation. I can't imagine his value being particularly high at present.

Very easily, if you're relatively creative.

I've been preaching this trade (note: I don't think Miami will, or should, trade Bosh):

Heat get: Boozer, Rip, Milwaukee's first, Chicago's protected first.
Boozer is similar to Bosh in that he hits open jumpers (doesn't have 3p range, though) and plays within a defensive system well, even if he is not a strong defender. Much better rebounder.

Milwaukee gets: Bosh. I don't think I need to explain how this helps them.

Chicago gets: Redick (would have to be SaT, and I have heard that sending SaT to a team over the cap is illegal, so hypothetical deal hinges on that), Ilyasova, Gooden (for salary purposes).
Bulls get rid of Boozer's big salary number (and give up a pick to do so), but gain outside shooting, bbIQ, and better defensive players. I think I just talked myself into Bulls sending a non-protected pick.

[Hardjelly]

After losing the 2011 Finals to Dallas, I thought about swapping Lebron for Paul George and Roy Hibbert.

Lebron & Battier for George & Hibbert & Gerald Green. I would even throw in Norris Cole to sweeten the deal and G. Green is included as a salary filler.

Miami Heat
M. Chalmers / N. Cole
D. Wade / R. Allen / G. Green
P. George / M. Miller
C. Bosh / U. Haslem
R. Hibbert / J. Anthony

Indiana Pacers
G. Hill / D. Augustin
L. James / L. Stephenson
D. Granger / S. Young
S. Battier / T. Hansborough
D. West / I. Mahinmi / M. Plumlee

It's wishful thinking though. George and Hibbert are way too good to be dealt.

[Bandito]

After losing the 2011 Finals to Dallas, I thought about swapping Lebron for Paul George and Roy Hibbert.

Lebron & Battier for George & Hibbert & Gerald Green. I would even throw in Norris Cole to sweeten the deal and G. Green is included as a salary filler.

Miami Heat
M. Chalmers / N. Cole
D. Wade / R. Allen / G. Green
P. George / M. Miller
C. Bosh / U. Haslem
R. Hibbert / J. Anthony

Indiana Pacers
G. Hill / D. Augustin
L. James / L. Stephenson
D. Granger / S. Young
S. Battier / T. Hansborough
D. West / I. Mahinmi / M. Plumlee

It's wishful thinking though. George and Hibbert are way too good to be dealt.
The Miami Heat would've just murder everybody. THey would be even more stacked than today!

[LosScandalous]

Is the big 3 era a failure if they go 1-2 in the finals?

[kamil]

What I want

-LeBron
- under 30 year old double digit rebounder that protects the rim at a high level
-Shooters

Dont care about the rest, we already got LeBron and shooters. Need to address Number two because that's not Bosh.

So you want shooters but you dont care about the rest because you already got shooters.

Good one, keep proving to the rest of the forum how high your IQ is.