Derrick Rose finally feels like himself again (article)

[Inferno]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9385144/tom-thibodeau-says-derrick-rose-speed-explosiveness-back-where-feels-again


CHICAGO -- The old Derrick Rose is back.

Chicago Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said Rose's speed and explosiveness are back to where the former MVP feels like himself again.

"I worked him out about a week ago," Thibodeau said in a phone conversation Thursday. "It was great."

Rose missed the entire season rehabbing from a torn ACL in his left knee suffered during last year's playoffs. His longer-than-expected absence, and the ensuing debate about it, was the overwhelming storyline during a challenging Bulls season that ended in a second-round loss to the Miami Heat.

Last season is over, and Thibodeau is looking to the future.

"Watching the way he's moving now, there's a confidence," Thibodeau said. "[Reporters] may not have been able to see the total work he was putting in. But he was putting in an enormous amount of work each and every day. He just never got to the explosiveness he was comfortable with. I think he's there now. He feels great, and that's the most important thing."

He said Rose is "running, lifting, playing and shooting. His day is full."

Rose was medically cleared and started practicing in five-on-five situations in mid-February, and his ensuing pregame workouts were covered as intensely as the games.

There was talk he would return in mid-March, but that came and went. Rose, and Thibodeau, refused to rule him out even during the team's playoff run, which infuriated many in the team's rabid fan base and led to criticism from NBA announcers during the Bulls' postseason run.

"The kid was being totally honest," Thibodeau said. "At the end of the day, you have to respect that. He wanted to be out there very badly. But no one knew when he would be ready, including him. It was a smart decision to wait. If you're not quite sure, and you're going to err, err on the side of caution. That's what he did. And now he feels great."

While reports speculated that Rose was dominating his teammates in the gym, Thibodeau says now that wasn't the case.

"He was practicing and he was good sometimes, but he also wasn't able to make the kinds of plays he likes to make," Thibodeau said. "No one is more explosive and can change direction like him. He had to be capable of doing that.

"That's what makes him so unique, how quick and explosive he is," Thibodeau continued. "He can jump sideways to avoid contact. He's always hopping around. That's a lot on your knee. You have to be comfortable doing that. He takes off and he doesn't take long to go from securing the ball to exploding and blowing by somebody."

Rose will leave Chicago in about a week to start working out with his trainer in Los Angeles. He will also travel to an adidas-sponsored exhibition July 7-10 in Belgrade, Serbia, among other commitments.

Thibodeau, who will check out the Bulls' Vegas summer league team and coach at the U.S. Olympic minicamp in Las Vegas in late July, will visit Rose in California.

:applause:

[LosBulls]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER his team is disqualified?
He couldn't had felt better 2 weeks ago?

He can go choke on a dic.

[Inferno]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER the playoffs are over?

He can go choke on a dic.

Some Bulls fan you are :biggums:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER his team is disqualified?
He couldn't had felt better 2 weeks ago?

He can go choke on a dic.
ill gut u, bro. ill fukking gut u. don't ever disrespect the messiah.

[LosBulls]

Some Bulls fan you are :biggums:
I'm sorry i'm a Bulls fan not a Derrick Rose fan.

[Inferno]

I'm sorry i'm a Bulls fan not a Derrick Rose fan.

The article above states that, contrary to popular belief, Rose was not dominating practice and was not at full capacity still. But I do agree he should have came off the bench in the playoffs.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

I'm sorry i'm a Bulls fan not a Derrick Rose fan.
no, youre a phaggit. a huge nanner puss phaggit

[Lebron23]

I want to see him play in the pre season game.

[Trollsmasher]

Good.

He can play in some spring-fall league in Central Asia.

[LosBulls]

no, youre a phaggit. a huge nanner puss phaggit
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Anchorage, AK


Hmm.. I sense somebody is a D.Rose fanboy Bulls bandwaggoner.

You sir are a phaggit, a huge nanner puss phaggit.

[NumberSix]

Is Derrick Rose some kind of cult leader? Jeez. Don't those guys usually have charisma of some sort?

[Bucket_Nakedz]

The article above states that, contrary to popular belief, Rose was not dominating practice and was not at full capacity still. But I do agree he should have came off the bench in the playoffs.
to what, be a shell of himself. if rose feels like he isn't the same caliber as his mvp self, he can wait all he wants. he deserves that

[DuMa]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER his team is disqualified?
He couldn't had felt better 2 weeks ago?

He can go choke on a dic.

2 weeks ago? try a month ago.

[Inferno]

Is Derrick Rose some kind of cult leader? Jeez. Don't those guys usually have charisma of some sort?

Just posting news on his condition :confusedshrug:


to what, be a shell of himself. if rose feels like he isn't the same caliber as his mvp self, he can wait all he wants. he deserves that

I was on his side. But I do feel he could have played at least some minutes to give Nate some rest.

[LosBulls]

The article above states that, contrary to popular belief, Rose was not dominating practice and was not at full capacity still. But I do agree he should have came off the bench in the playoffs.
Its not the point of him being as "explosive" or whatever as he used to, its the fkn point of showing some heart, being out there when Kirk was out, when Noah was limping, Nate getting stitches and puking in between quarters, Deng and Taj with the flu.

Its him suiting up and even though not being his old self not going down to the Heat without a fight. If Noah were in his position he would of been back for game 7 of the Nets series.

The playoffs are only a couple of weeks and after that he has a whole 3 months to continue his recovery to his "explosive" self, but just his presence would of given us a boost.

And anybody who disagrees with me who claims to be a Bulls fan is not a Bulls fan but instead a Derrick Rose bandwaggoner.

[tmacattack33]

Wow, are you fukkin serious?

It's only been 3 weeks since they got bounced by Miami.

If he's really 100% (or 97%...i doubt he will ever be 100% MVP 2011 Rose ever again), then three weeks ago he musta been at Wade or Ginobli health and shoulda definitely tried to play.

[Inferno]

Its not the point of him being as "explosive" or whatever as he used to, its the fkn point of showing some heart, being out there when Kirk was out, when Noah was limping, Nate getting stitches and puking in between quarters, Deng and Taj with the flu.

Its him suiting up and even though not being his old self not going down to the Heat without a fight. If Noah were in his position he would of been back for game 7 of the Nets series.

Yeah I do feel like he should have played. But the hate is a little overboard.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Anchorage, AK


Hmm.. I sense somebody is a D.Rose fanboy Bulls bandwaggoner.

You sir are a phaggit, a huge nanner puss phaggit.
wow, youre so original. youre an entitled weenie who does not deserve to address your idiotic opinions on a public forum. im just here to remind you of your place... PHAGGIT!!!

[LosBulls]

wow, youre so original. youre an entitled weenie who does not deserve to address your idiotic opinions on a public forum. im just here to remind you of your place... PHAGGIT!!!
You live in Alaska, you're not even from Chicago and on top of that you joined during Rose's MVP Season and you're defending Derrick Rose against a true Bulls fan.

Is there a block or ignore feature on this board? I would like to use it on this kid. And you obviously have some hate towards homosexuals, maybe you have some trauma involving homos, is your daddy on some brokeback mountain shit? Did he leave your mother for a man? Is that what it is?

[KG215]

Phew. And just in time, too. The Heat are in trou....oh, wait.

[LosBulls]

Yeah I do feel like he should have played. But the hate is a little overboard.
I don't hate Derrick Rose, but don't expect me to be on his dic after he showed us up like that. We Bulls fans don't owe him shit and this season proved it, we got to the 2nd round just fine without him.

He has only won individual awards, he hasn't won us any championships so until he does that don't expect me to pity him or put up with this type of bullshyt just because he plays for my team.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

I was on his side. But I do feel he could have played at least some minutes to give Nate some rest.
i can't argue there, but its all ego at that point. derrick prolly feels it is beneath him to come off the bench for a role player - sounds fukked up, but its a lot of nba "superstars" share this mentality. i would have commended him if he did, but i really feels like if he isn't his old self, he is not worthy to play.

in all honesty, i think if dude wasn't himself, he was gonna retire because he has too much pride. hearing this makes me so happy that he is back to his old self. he did the right thing. he isn't a fast healer like adrian peterson. but whatever it takes to be his old self will always be worth it.

[LosBulls]

i can't argue there, but its all ego at that point. derrick prolly feels it is beneath him to come off the bench for a role player - sounds fukked up, but its a lot of nba "superstars" share this mentality. i would have commended him if he did, but i really feels like if he isn't his old self, he is not worthy to play.

in all honesty, i think if dude wasn't himself, he was gonna retire because he has too much pride. hearing this makes me so happy that he is back to his old self. he did the right thing. he isn't a fast healer like adrian peterson. but whatever it takes to be his old self will always be worth it.

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Anchorage, AK

All this "he" talk and not anywhere in the post did you talk about the team. You are not a "bulls" fan, you are a Derrick Rose fan.

If coming off the bench is what it takes to get the win so be it, but you are only worried about HIM.

Fuc up out my face you bandwaggon slime piece of shit.

[Kblaze8855]

And anybody who disagrees with me who claims to be a Bulls fan is not a Bulls fan but instead a Derrick Rose bandwaggoner.

I was here in the Bulls fam topic when we were starting Greg Anthony and Rose was 12.

Ive been a Bulls fan since before he was born.

Quintin Dailey was my first favorite Bull.

Before Jordan was drafted.

Never thought he should be back before he felt he was ready. Playoffs or preseason. Ready has nothing to do with the date.

Sprained wrist is one thing. Major knee operation...ive never pushed anyone in any sport...ever...to return. And if I did it wouldnt be someone I hoped would lead us for 15 years.

If hes not able to hop around and play his game the way coach said...come back when you can.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/308590/derrick-rose-dunks-on-dragic-o.gif

^
Thats Derrick Rose.

If hes not that or anything like it....get right then get back.

We arent talking about a spot up shooter here.

[gengiskhan]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER his team is disqualified?
He couldn't had felt better 2 weeks ago?

He can go choke on a dic.

totally agreed brah!

If I were you, I'll move atleast 15 mins from United Center.

[LosBulls]

I was here in the Bulls fam topic when we were starting Greg Anthony and Rose was 12.

Ive been a Bulls fan since before he was born.

Quintin Dailey was my first favorite Bull.

Before Jordan was drafted.

Never thought he should be back before he felt he was ready. Playoffs or preseason. Ready has nothing to do with the date.

Sprained wrist is one thing. Major knee operation...ive never pushed anyone in any sport...ever...to return. And if I did it wouldnt be someone I hoped would lead us for 15 years.

If hes not able to hop around and play his game the way coach said...come back when you can.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/308590/derrick-rose-dunks-on-dragic-o.gif

^
Thats Derrick Rose.

If hes not that or anything like it....get right then get back.

We arent talking about a spot up shooter here.


I don't think you get the point. My point isn't for Rose to come back and start playing 40 MPG dunking on fools starting fast breaks and being his normal self. Just show up, thats all I ask. Suit the **** up, make a couple jumpers here and there, then sit back down.
Its not about him helping us with his play, but by showing the team he got their backs and that he would give anything to win that championship.

If they win they win and if they lose then at least he lost knowing he gave it his all and that he has 3 more months of rehab ahead of him to get back to this


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/308590/derrick-rose-dunks-on-dragic-o.gif

[Bucket_Nakedz]

You live in Alaska, you're not even from Chicago and on top of that you joined during Rose's MVP Season and you're defending Derrick Rose against a true Bulls fan.

Is there a block or ignore feature on this board? I would like to use it on this kid. And you obviously have some hate towards homosexuals, maybe you have some trauma involving homos, is your daddy on some brokeback mountain shit? Did he leave your mother for a man? Is that what it is?
youre the fukking problem jackass. yes, i live in alaska, but like ive said many times, IM NOT FROM HERE DUMBASS.

the reason why i call u a phaggit, is because youre a bitter douche who becomes volatile when you don't have shiet go your way. you have made your displeasure with rose this season obvious because he chose not to play. who the fukk are you to tell a man to do?

that's why i despise punk ass b!tches like you. you feel like you are somewhat important - newsflash, youre nobody! youre like that little snot nose shiet baby that cries in supermarket when he can't get what he wants so you pout. not knowing everybody in the supermarket wants to smack the shiet out of you

oh i live in chicago, im a real bulls fan, i buy tickets blah blah blah... derrick rose isnt playing? how dare he! i renounce fanship towards him, but i remain loyal to the bulls. youre a clown straight up and down, so do us a favor and go walk your ass down on the southside in a gang territory and throw up rivals signs. PHAGGIT!!!

[Bucket_Nakedz]

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Anchorage, AK

All this "he" talk and not anywhere in the post did you talk about the team. You are not a "bulls" fan, you are a Derrick Rose fan.

If coming off the bench is what it takes to get the win so be it, but you are only worried about HIM.

Fuc up out my face you bandwaggon slime piece of shit.
don't you see the irony what you're saying? you are no better. you are really proving my point - which isnt hard - when i called you a clown by mentioning "join dates and location."

[Kblaze8855]

Be one thing if we had a team that was dying for motivation.

That isnt the Bulls. you watched that team.

They arent on some "The ship be sinking!" Nick Van Exel shit. Figurehead Rose playing 8 minutes and going 1-3 isnt making them play harder. They left it all out there as it was. And without Deng/Kirk and Noah hurt too?

It was a losing battle. They gave it their all. 8 minutes of Rose not being Rose isnt the difference. Maybe if they had the rest of the team healthy. But they didnt.

Just hoping for the best next year. And my hopes are high partly because coach believes Rose is looking like himself. If hes out there unable to cut and stop...jump...explode...

That isnt the player we need.

Just be a figurehead. Like the Queen of England in Canadas government.

The Bulls are not Canada.

Hopefully we are rewarded for the bad year with 12-15 years of success. I remember going to chicago stadium in 86 with my dad who got a lot of tickets from work because nobody wanted to go when Jordan kept getting pushed back.

In retrospect...I acted like a bitch about it.

But we won it in the end. A lot.

Good as that team can be perhaps we doing it again.

Something else to look forward to...

because of Tyrus Thomas we have the Bobcats unprotected #1 pick in the next few years. bet they keep sucking and we get a #1 pick in 2016 to add to our 67 win roster and have the whole league crying over it.

[LosBulls]

youre the fukking problem jackass. yes, i live in alaska, but like ive said many times, IM NOT FROM HERE DUMBASS.

the reason why i call u a phaggit, is because youre a bitter douche who becomes volatile when you don't have shiet go your way. you have made your displeasure with rose this season obvious because he chose not to play. who the fukk are you to tell a man to do?

that's why i despise punk ass b!tches like you. you feel like you are somewhat important - newsflash, youre nobody! youre like that little snot nose shiet baby that cries in supermarket when he can't get what he wants so you pout. not knowing everybody in the supermarket wants to smack the shiet out of you

oh i live in chicago, im a real bulls fan, i buy tickets blah blah blah... derrick rose isnt playing? how dare he! i renounce fanship towards him, but i remain loyal to the bulls. youre a clown straight up and down, so do us a favor and go walk your ass down on the southside in a gang territory and throw up rivals signs. PHAGGIT!!!

You never responded to my question about your father being a homosexual and leaving your mother for a man on some brokeback mountain shit so I'll just assume thats true.

You need to get yourself some help, hop off the basketball boards and find a doctor.

You keep calling people ******s but you're the only one here hanging from another man's nuts defending him so that makes you a hypocrite.

:biggums:

[Bucket_Nakedz]

I don't think you get the point. My point isn't for Rose to come back and start playing 40 MPG dunking on fools starting fast breaks and being his normal self. Just show up, thats all I ask. Suit the **** up, make a couple jumpers here and there, then sit back down.
Its not about him helping us with his play, but by showing the team he got their backs and that he would give anything to win that championship.

If they win they win and if they lose then at least he lost knowing he gave it his all and that he has 3 more months of rehab ahead of him to get back to this


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/308590/derrick-rose-dunks-on-dragic-o.gif
OMFG!! who are you to have rose prove to? stop being full of yourself asshole. you can't be a bulls fan. must be one of joyners accounts

[LosBulls]

OMFG!! who are you to have rose prove to? stop being full of yourself asshole. you can't be a bulls fan. must be one of joyners accounts
I'm a Bulls fan. Unlike you. People like me who actually attend the games pay for his paychecks, unlike you who sucks on his balls all the way from Alaska.

[aj1987]

I'm sorry i'm a Bulls fan not a Derrick Rose fan.
:applause: Need more fans like you on this board.

[Pointguard]

I'm a Bulls fan. Unlike you. People like me who actually attend the games pay for his paychecks, unlike you who sucks on his balls all the way from Alaska.

So why don't you recommend that Bulls trade him? I mean if you think he played the team down, get rid of him. Surely, you can get another guy with heart? After waiting all of those years, where the Bulls had year after year of top seven picks, you can't wait one more year after you got somebody special? You look forward to mediocrity???

We already discussed Grant Hill, Penny and a couple of others who rushed their comeback. Are you really a Bulls fan or are you just excited about 2013. Didn't Rose just keep coming back too early the entire 2012 season or were you watching games then?

I'll tell you this and you can take it or leave it. If you play yourself cheap, you will find your stay there prolonged, and perhaps never at the supreme level previously achieved - ask Grant Hill, ask Penny. If they played themselves as special, worthy of taking their time and doing it right, its a very good chance they are great Hall of Famers and a few chips in there as well. If you are ready for greatness, and you want greatness, you have to expect greatness from your self/team. But your aspirations are literally the bench... You don't risk prosperity, to be on the bench or prove to internet clowns you got heart.

But you think its about showing you have heart to come off of the bench? I'm thinking Rose is more about being healthy and ready for his best self - which can be greatness. Your mentalities are so far apart you will need several interpreters to intervene. If you are a true fan of the Bulls you would want what's best for them. The seven high picks the Bulls had in six years as 2000 hit were risk. Tyrus Thomas and Curry played themselves cheap, didn't work on their game or their health... and that's your mentality... mediocrity, underachievement, patchwork... no masterplan of earning your way up the ladder.

[poido123]

Good news, and hope that he is back and ready for the season start.

Its time to make the Eastern Conference more formidable than it has been this year. Bulls will be hard to beat.

[Dro]

Ummmm...isn't this the coach talking? I don't see anywhere that Rose HIMSELF said he's back to normal. Or am I missing something?

[kamil]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER his team is disqualified?
He couldn't had felt better 2 weeks ago?

He can go choke on a dic.

Youre a disgrace to Bulls fans everywhere else. The season we had and playoffs performance was great.

I'd rather Rose sit out and come back at 100% next season than risk it and have his career end like Grant Hill's because he took the wrong advice from doctors.

[Dro]

You never responded to my question about your father being a homosexual and leaving your mother for a man on some brokeback mountain shit so I'll just assume thats true.

You need to get yourself some help, hop off the basketball boards and find a doctor.

You keep calling people ******s but you're the only one here hanging from another man's nuts defending him so that makes you a hypocrite.

:biggums:
So you're on here crying about the fact that a grown man does not feel he's ready to come back when you want him to, yet you're telling SOMEBODY ELSE to hop off his nuts? Oh, the irony. I think you should hop off his nuts. These dudes are right, you are a disgrace to Bulls fans. You sure you and Tikay aren't the same person? Both entitled fans who think they should be able to dictate what grown men do? :durantunimpressed:

[jdm_dc_fan]

Just in time.......





















For summer league. Buhhaha!!!!!

[All Net]

This f@ggot feels like himself AFTER his team is disqualified?
He couldn't had felt better 2 weeks ago?

He can go choke on a dic.

:lol

[tomtucker]

"I worked him out about a week ago," Thibodeau said in a phone conversation Thursday. "It was great."

:biggums: .......he forgot the no homo ?

[TheReturn]

Awesome. That's all I wanted since his injury, for him to come back completely healthy. If this is how long it takes, so be it.

[nathanjizzle]

i think all real bulls fans here can see what kind of piss poor fan losbulls is. not to mention him stating earlier this year he was really a miami heat fan for a long time. i suggest if you are a bulls brother, you put this idiot on your ignore list.

[ReturnofJPR]

Yeah...now that the season is over. :confusedshrug:

[Joey3000]

I would like to take this time out and shout out D.Wade. Yes he is not at 100%. hasn't been healthy all year, however, he knows his team needs his support and while he is not playing like 06 wade... he is giving it his all.

I would also like to say that Lebron James would have never gotten away with sitting out the playoffs cause his "muscle memory" is off.

I would also point out that I hate Kobe... but no way would his ego allow him to watch his team fight against a rival team and he sit there in a suit and tie.

I understand that you guys love D.Rose... but he left his soldiers out on the battle field. Noah and Nate are the true leaders of that team. D.Rose only cares about spectacular dunks.


Respect to LosBulls for not being a fan-boy and calling a spade a spade.

And as for that F@ggot with the red D.Rose picture as his avi... ***** u been gay. And what people don't understand is that this gay dude has a crush on rose. So everything he is saying has nothing to do with basketball.

[Dro]

I would like to take this time out and shout out D.Wade. Yes he is not at 100%. hasn't been healthy all year, however, he knows his team needs his support and while he is not playing like 06 wade... he is giving it his all.

I would also like to say that Lebron James would have never gotten away with sitting out the playoffs cause his "muscle memory" is off.

I would also point out that I hate Kobe... but no way would his ego allow him to watch his team fight against a rival team and he sit there in a suit and tie.

I understand that you guys love D.Rose... but he left his soldiers out on the battle field. Noah and Nate are the true leaders of that team. D.Rose only cares about spectacular dunks.


Respect to LosBulls for not being a fan-boy and calling a spade a spade.

And as for that F@ggot with the red D.Rose picture as his avi... ***** u been gay. And what people don't understand is that this gay dude has a crush on rose. So everything he is saying has nothing to do with basketball.
Yes, because their injuries are the same as an ACL :confusedshrug: Everyday I read about Rose on here, I can obviously tell who's had serious knee injuries and who hasn't....

[Joey3000]

Yes, because their injuries are the same as an ACL :confusedshrug: Everyday I read about Rose on here, I can obviously tell who's had serious knee injuries and who hasn't....


Ok, but if he feels he is at 100% now... what was he 3 weeks ago when his team needed him? Even at 80% he would have been healthier than Noah.

[Kblaze8855]

I would also like to say that Lebron James would have never gotten away with sitting out the playoffs cause his "muscle memory" is off.


Of course he would get away with it. Hed just be hated on. But hes hated on by a pocket of fans for everything he does.


I would also point out that I hate Kobe... but no way would his ego allow him to watch his team fight against a rival team and he sit there in a suit and tie.

Perhaps if he saw that pushing too hard at the expense of the teams long term good wasnt smart he wouldnt have destroyed himself before the playoffs.

Possibly a lesson Rose learned last season when he returned just for the playoffs and blew out his knee his first game back.


I understand that you guys love D.Rose... but he left his soldiers out on the battle field. Noah and Nate are the true leaders of that team. D.Rose only cares about spectacular dunks.


Nobody only cares about dunks. What kind of idiotic bullshit is that?



Respect to LosBulls for not being a fan-boy and calling a spade a spade



Hes been a Heat fan all his life. Heat fans hating on Rose is nothing new....for some reason.

In a topic called "Time to come clean"


I've always lived in Chicago but I never liked Jordan so I wasn't a Bulls fan, instead I was a Heat fan. Dwyane Wade was from Chicago and he played for the Heat and Shaq is my favorite player all time so I was a Heat fan.

Then Rose was drafted by the Bulls and I've always wanted to be a Bulls fan but I was afraid what the real Bulls Fans would think after all I said when I rooted for the Heat so I kept it on the downlow in real life and made this account on ISH.

When LeBron signed with the Heat was when I decided not to be a Heat fan anymore and ride with the Bulls.

Am I considered a good and loyal fan of my team and my city?



Hes another Heat fan hating on Rose for whatever reason they do that.

[LosBulls]

So why don't you recommend that Bulls trade him? I mean if you think he played the team down, get rid of him. Surely, you can get another guy with heart? After waiting all of those years, where the Bulls had year after year of top seven picks, you can't wait one more year after you got somebody special? You look forward to mediocrity???

We already discussed Grant Hill, Penny and a couple of others who rushed their comeback. Are you really a Bulls fan or are you just excited about 2013. Didn't Rose just keep coming back too early the entire 2012 season or were you watching games then?

I'll tell you this and you can take it or leave it. If you play yourself cheap, you will find your stay there prolonged, and perhaps never at the supreme level previously achieved - ask Grant Hill, ask Penny. If they played themselves as special, worthy of taking their time and doing it right, its a very good chance they are great Hall of Famers and a few chips in there as well. If you are ready for greatness, and you want greatness, you have to expect greatness from your self/team. But your aspirations are literally the bench... You don't risk prosperity, to be on the bench or prove to internet clowns you got heart.

But you think its about showing you have heart to come off of the bench? I'm thinking Rose is more about being healthy and ready for his best self - which can be greatness. Your mentalities are so far apart you will need several interpreters to intervene. If you are a true fan of the Bulls you would want what's best for them. The seven high picks the Bulls had in six years as 2000 hit were risk. Tyrus Thomas and Curry played themselves cheap, didn't work on their game or their health... and that's your mentality... mediocrity, underachievement, patchwork... no masterplan of earning your way up the ladder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGNITggLFs

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[LosBulls]

So you're on here crying about the fact that a grown man does not feel he's ready to come back when you want him to, yet you're telling SOMEBODY ELSE to hop off his nuts? Oh, the irony. I think you should hop off his nuts. These dudes are right, you are a disgrace to Bulls fans. You sure you and Tikay aren't the same person? Both entitled fans who think they should be able to dictate what grown men do? :durantunimpressed:
I'm not dictating shit, im saying i'm not a fan of him and I see him as a coward and a bitch.

Nowhere am I "crying" but instead the opposite, i'm saying we don't need his soft mentally weak ass.

You say im a disgrace to be a Bulls fan but if Derrick Rose is traded to another team,leaves in free agency, or retires I'm one of the fans that stays a Bulls fan and not one of the ones that follows him wherever he goes.

So yes, anyone defending Rose should hop off his nuts because he hasn't done shit other than win individual awards.

Once again, He hasn't won us a championship,he hasn't even got us past the Heat so why should I see him as a King?

This was one of the weakest years in the playoffs ever, we gave Miami a real good fight WITHOUT Rose, and we could very well be in the Finals right now with Rose looking forward to a 3 month rehab ahead once he gets that ring.

He lacks that Jordan/Kobe mentality. Jordan would of been back.

[LosBulls]

I would like to take this time out and shout out D.Wade. Yes he is not at 100%. hasn't been healthy all year, however, he knows his team needs his support and while he is not playing like 06 wade... he is giving it his all.

I would also like to say that Lebron James would have never gotten away with sitting out the playoffs cause his "muscle memory" is off.

I would also point out that I hate Kobe... but no way would his ego allow him to watch his team fight against a rival team and he sit there in a suit and tie.

I understand that you guys love D.Rose... but he left his soldiers out on the battle field. Noah and Nate are the true leaders of that team. D.Rose only cares about spectacular dunks.


Respect to LosBulls for not being a fan-boy and calling a spade a spade.

And as for that F@ggot with the red D.Rose picture as his avi... ***** u been gay. And what people don't understand is that this gay dude has a crush on rose. So everything he is saying has nothing to do with basketball.

Take notice,

The Bulls Fans with Derrick Rose as their avatar = D.Rose nut huggers defending him.

[LosBulls]

Youre a disgrace to Bulls fans everywhere else. The season we had and playoffs performance was great.

I'd rather Rose sit out and come back at 100% next season than risk it and have his career end like Grant Hill's because he took the wrong advice from doctors.

Location: East Brunswick

[boozehound]

of course. hes all good now. what a tool box

[boozehound]

Yes, because their injuries are the same as an ACL :confusedshrug: Everyday I read about Rose on here, I can obviously tell who's had serious knee injuries and who hasn't....
you mean guys like shumpert? oh yeah......

[LosBulls]

Of course he would get away with it. Hed just be hated on. But hes hated on by a pocket of fans for everything he does.



Perhaps if he saw that pushing too hard at the expense of the teams long term good wasnt smart he wouldnt have destroyed himself before the playoffs.

Possibly a lesson Rose learned last season when he returned just for the playoffs and blew out his knee his first game back.



Nobody only cares about dunks. What kind of idiotic bullshit is that?




Hes been a Heat fan all his life. Heat fans hating on Rose is nothing new....for some reason.

In a topic called "Time to come clean"




Hes another Heat fan hating on Rose for whatever reason they do that.

Peep my avatar. I'm completely against bandwaggoning. It would be a different thing if I came over when Rose was beasting but nope, I came over when LeBron signed with the Heat because I didn't want to be labeled a bandwaggoner, I don't even like Wade anymore tbh.

Apart from that, I was officially a "Heat" fan but I still rooted for the Bulls.
When Kirk was Captain Kirk and he was our best player.
When Joakim Noah was considered another one of our center busts but I kept telling people you just gotta give him time.
When we had "Air Gordon"
And I still remember all the scrubs we had wear our jersey from Larry Hughes to Andres Nocioni.

I COULD be cheering for the Heat and have the name "ElHeat" but it wouldn't feel right. I stick to my real team and like I stated before in that thread, I didn't want to be a Jordan fan, So I decided to be a fan of that new expansion team that is now the Miami Heat home to the Big 3 which I am no longer a fan of.

Say what you want, I'm a Bulls fan and always have been. Derrick Rose is a coward.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Of course he would get away with it. Hed just be hated on. But hes hated on by a pocket of fans for everything he does.



Perhaps if he saw that pushing too hard at the expense of the teams long term good wasnt smart he wouldnt have destroyed himself before the playoffs.

Possibly a lesson Rose learned last season when he returned just for the playoffs and blew out his knee his first game back.



Nobody only cares about dunks. What kind of idiotic bullshit is that?




Hes been a Heat fan all his life. Heat fans hating on Rose is nothing new....for some reason.

In a topic called "Time to come clean"




Hes another Heat fan hating on Rose for whatever reason they do that.
KBlaze you're a rational mature guy, and I know DRose is your boy. I understand what hes going through, he came back too early last year, tore his ACL, so hes not doing that this year,no matter what. That is most likely the right decision from his POV, and from a long term POV.

But. BUT. You can't just dismiss the fact that he clearly could have come back, and he bullshitted the whole time, with his on the fence statements, saying maybe he will if he feels better and etc.. Thats why hes getting all this hate. You can't argue against it, the hate is justified. Sure there is some unjustified hate, but most of it is for a reason. I dont know why you're taking the time to defend him, you should just accept that a lot of people disagree with his decision making.

[Kblaze8855]

Peep my avatar. I'm completely against bandwaggoning. It would be a different thing if I came over when Rose was beasting but nope, I came over when LeBron signed with the Heat because I didn't want to be labeled a bandwaggoner, I don't even like Wade anymore tbh.

Apart from that, I was officially a "Heat" fan but I still rooted for the Bulls.
When Kirk was Captain Kirk and he was our best player.
When Joakim Noah was considered another one of our center busts but I kept telling people you just gotta give him time.
When we had "Air Gordon"
And I still remember all the scrubs we had wear our jersey from Larry Hughes to Andres Nocioni.

I COULD be cheering for the Heat and have the name "ElHeat" but it wouldn't feel right. I stick to my real team and like I stated before in that thread, I didn't want to be a Jordan fan, So I decided to be a fan of that new expansion team that is now the Miami Heat home to the Big 3 which I am no longer a fan of.

Say what you want, I'm a Bulls fan and always have been. Derrick Rose is a coward.

Im not saying what you think. Im posting what you said. You say you have been a heat fan since expansion. You have been a Heat fan over 20 years, think MJ is overrated, and rank Lebron the 5th best player ever I see now as well. Added to that you hate on Derrick Rose.

Heat fan since the 80s....hate on the Bulls current frachise player....and their all time best player....rank Lebron 5th all time.

Sounds like a Heat fan to me. Not like im assigning you opinions. Just...showing what you have said.

Fine to be a Heat fan. Just dont see why you need to BS about it.

[Kblaze8855]

KBlaze you're a rational mature guy, and I know DRose is your boy. I understand what hes going through, he came back too early last year, tore his ACL, so hes not doing that this year,no matter what. That is most likely the right decision from his POV, and from a long term POV.


Indeed.



But. BUT. You can't just dismiss the fact that he clearly could have come back, and he bullshitted the whole time, with his on the fence statements, saying maybe he will if he feels better and etc.. Thats why hes getting all this hate. You can't argue against it, the hate is justified. Sure there is some unjustified hate, but most of it is for a reason. I dont know why you're taking the time to defend him, you should just accept that a lot of people disagree with his decision making.



Perhaps you arent like normal humans but....me....ive been known to waver on a big decision. If hes not sure...hes supposed to say he is? To...do what? Quiet the talk of his possible return with a lie?

Or...are you saying he knew all along he wouldnt feel right in time and just flat out lied saying he didnt know?

People get too emotional about athletes.

If he was lying I dont know it and have no reason to assume it. By all accounts he was working to get back and people have been praising his work ethic for years. Now im gonna assume he was lying to....do....what?

What is the win in that? He could have ruled himself out in January and just surprised everyone with a return if he felt ready. Sounds more like he just kept working and said "I dont know" because he didnt know.

What would you say if you didnt know how you might feel in a month or two?

That you did know?

And that would be the right thing if so?

I was annoyed as anyone to keep hearing he might be back and finding out he wasnt. But he doesnt owe me a concrete answer. Id like the truth.

If he doesnt know...he doesnt know.

Uncertianty is annoying. Its also a fact of life.

[nathanjizzle]

I would like to take this time out and shout out D.Wade. Yes he is not at 100%. hasn't been healthy all year, however, he knows his team needs his support and while he is not playing like 06 wade... he is giving it his all.

I would also like to say that Lebron James would have never gotten away with sitting out the playoffs cause his "muscle memory" is off.

I would also point out that I hate Kobe... but no way would his ego allow him to watch his team fight against a rival team and he sit there in a suit and tie.

I understand that you guys love D.Rose... but he left his soldiers out on the battle field. Noah and Nate are the true leaders of that team. D.Rose only cares about spectacular dunks.


Respect to LosBulls for not being a fan-boy and calling a spade a spade.

And as for that F@ggot with the red D.Rose picture as his avi... ***** u been gay. And what people don't understand is that this gay dude has a crush on rose. So everything he is saying has nothing to do with basketball.

nice you're sticking up for your boyfriend. "bitch you been gay"? thats how you speak? i can see what kind of failure you are in life. :facepalm its clear you are a rose hater, maybe because he shits on melo all the time. remember when u said rose didnt deserve credit for the bulls success and then i pulled out real stats to prove how stupid you are? now stop talking.

[nathanjizzle]

Take notice,

The Bulls Fans with Derrick Rose as their avatar = D.Rose nut huggers defending him.

lets see here, a bulls fan has an avatar of a bulls player, but you are more of a bulls fan because you have an avatar of a spurs fan :facepalm very stupid. go back to school fat mexican slob.


losbulls- "ive always lived in chicago but i never like jordan so i wasnt a bulls fan"

said by a true bulls fan :facepalm


I've always lived in Chicago but I never liked Jordan so I wasn't a Bulls fan, instead I was a Heat fan. Dwyane Wade was from Chicago and he played for the Heat and Shaq is my favorite player all time so I was a Heat fan.

Then Rose was drafted by the Bulls and I've always wanted to be a Bulls fan but I was afraid what the real Bulls Fans would think after all I said when I rooted for the Heat so I kept it on the downlow in real life and made this account on ISH.

When LeBron signed with the Heat was when I decided not to be a Heat fan anymore and ride with the Bulls.

Am I considered a good and loyal fan of my team and my city?

[ljsbb27]

Good to read that he's back to being himself.

Was I frustrated with the way the process was handled? Sure.

But if they truly didn't know if he would return or not then they couldn't say anything with any certainty.

Now honestly I think that Derrick and the Bulls knew he wasn't coming back, but they just didn't announce it publicly and that's what I had an issue with, but I'm over that.

Glad he took the whole season off to be absolutely sure he's back to his original self. Excited to see what adding him back to our already good team with an improved Butler, some draft picks, and some different free agent signings can do for us.

What happened this past season didn't ruin everything or make me forget everything he did for our franchise since he's been here. Yes its a team game and yes i'm a bulls fan first and a derrick rose fan second, but that doesn't mean i should dismiss everything he's done personally. The guy had a major knee surgery and has a lot of pressure on him to be the face of the franchise for the next 10+ years. I understand why he would take the season and I understand why the Bulls as a organization and his teammates would understand it as well.

Next season is a new chapter for him and the rest of the Bulls.
Let's support them and not act like criticizing him after the season is over is going to help in any way shape or form.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Is there more to the article than what the OP quoted?

Title is somewhat misleading, because it seems like ALL of the quotes are coming from Thibs. I don't see any direct quote or paraphrase from Rose saying "I feel 100%, both mentally and physically now".

[Joey3000]

nice you're sticking up for your boyfriend. "bitch you been gay"? thats how you speak? i can see what kind of failure you are in life. :facepalm its clear you are a rose hater, maybe because he shits on melo all the time. remember when u said rose didnt deserve credit for the bulls success and then i pulled out real stats to prove how stupid you are? now stop talking.


The bulls accomplished the same exact thing they accomplished against Miami with a healthy rose. 4-1 exit.

Only thing that has never been cleared was are you or are you not gay. cause Either you a complete moron, or you are just inlove and will defend you boyfriend no matter what.

I don't want a bigger person answer here... just yes or no. If Collins can do it, so can u.

[nathanjizzle]

The bulls accomplished the same exact thing they accomplished against Miami with a healthy rose. 4-1 exit.

Only thing that has never been cleared was are you or are you not gay. cause Either you a complete moron, or you are just inlove and will defend you boyfriend no matter what.

I don't want a bigger person answer here... just yes or no. If Collins can do it, so can u.

bulls lost in the 2nd round with a jimmy butler, by wayy more points than in 2011.:facepalm

if i was gay would it matter? you are still a low life loser that uses "gay" as an insult. grow up kid.

[Joey3000]

bulls lost in the 2nd round with a jimmy butler, by wayy more points than in 2011.:facepalm

if i was gay would it matter? you are still a low life loser that uses "gay" as an insult. grow up kid.


Yes because that would make a lot of sense. Just answer the question. If u said you loved D.Rose, would it be followed by a Yes-homo or no-homo?

[nathanjizzle]

Yes because that would make a lot of sense. Just answer the question. If u said you loved D.Rose, would it be followed by a Yes-homo or no-homo?

i dont answer to low life nobody's.

[ReturnofJPR]

Derrick Rose is like a UFO on the court. No one can accelerate or change directions like him. He can stop on a dime and explode in a split second. People are mad that they were deprived from him entertaining us but in the long run it's best for the Bulls. Chicago's team will be complete in 2014, right when Bron's body starts breaking down. Until then, Chicago will just let its youngins gain experience like Jimmy Butler.

2014:

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Jimmy Butler
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Carlos Boozer
C: Joakim Noah

Key Bench Players:

PF/C: Taj Gibson
PG: Marquis Teague
Charlotte's 1st Round Draft Pick (Lottery)
PF: Nikola Mirotic - Euroleague 2012-13 MVP and he's only 22 years old

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nikola+Mirotic+Antic+Pero+4VbJCK9PGsIm.jpg

[Joey3000]

i dont answer to low life nobody's.

smh, case solved.

[nathanjizzle]

smh, case solved.

gay or not, somebody that uses the phrase "you been gay" is at the bottom of society.

[LosBulls]

Im not saying what you think. Im posting what you said. You say you have been a heat fan since expansion. You have been a Heat fan over 20 years, think MJ is overrated, and rank Lebron the 5th best player ever I see now as well. Added to that you hate on Derrick Rose.

Heat fan since the 80s....hate on the Bulls current frachise player....and their all time best player....rank Lebron 5th all time.

Sounds like a Heat fan to me. Not like im assigning you opinions. Just...showing what you have said.

Fine to be a Heat fan. Just dont see why you need to BS about it.
When did I ever rank LeBron 5th all time? Lmao this must be joke.
Just off the top of my head I got Jordan Magic Bird Shaq and Kobe. OFF THE TOP.

And not as much the 80s but since i started watching ball in the 90s Miami was that new team and everyone was on the Jordan bandwagon which I didn't want to be part of, and I like Jordan as a player but i don't like following the hype, i'm not a follower.

[LosBulls]

lets see here, a bulls fan has an avatar of a bulls player, but you are more of a bulls fan because you have an avatar of a spurs fan :facepalm very stupid. go back to school fat mexican slob.


losbulls- "ive always lived in chicago but i never like jordan so i wasnt a bulls fan"

said by a true bulls fan :facepalm


My avatar signifies i'm rooting for the Spurs to beat the Heat... Damn I'm so much of a Heat fan that I want the Spurs to beat them :facepalm

Least I live in Chicago bytch, your ass is somewhere in North Carolina you c0ckscuker. You obviously got a crush on Derrick Rose and take any and every chance to let that be known.

I personally don't have anything against ******s but keep that shit to yourself, its getting creepy.

[ReturnofJPR]

Hey nathanjizzle has been 100% Bulls fan from Day 1

[LosBulls]

Hey nathanjizzle has been 100% Bulls fan from Day 1
You really believe that?

Is that why most these guys defending Derrick Rose are signed up in the year 2011 and are not even from CHICAGO?

Just take a look at some of these join dates and you'll see for yourself.

I don't hate Derrick Rose and its not even that serious for me but as soon as I call him a bitch these little nut riders decide its their job to defend him from my "insults".

Heres a quick tip Rose nut riders, Rose doesn't give a fuc about anything being said on this board. You can defend him all you want and it still won't matter to him.

You bums aren't even from Chicago and you would jump ship to any team if Derrick Rose were traded there just like most of the Cavaliers fanbase.

[ReturnofJPR]

You really believe that?

Is that why most these guys defending Derrick Rose are signed up in the year 2011 and are not even from CHICAGO?

Just take a look at some of these join dates and you'll see for yourself.

I don't hate Derrick Rose and its not even that serious for me but as soon as I call him a bitch these little nut riders decide its their job to defend him from my "insults".

Heres a quick tip Rose nut riders, Rose doesn't give a fuc about anything being said on this board. You can defend him all you want and it still won't matter to him.

You bums aren't even from Chicago and you would jump ship to any team if Derrick Rose were traded there just like most of the Cavaliers fanbase.

Well, you seem like a great Bulls fan. I mean you have the awesome braveheart custom avy and all. It's just that stuff kblaze posted had jizzle wondering...

[Kblaze8855]

When did I ever rank LeBron 5th all time? Lmao this must be joke.
Just off the top of my head I got Jordan Magic Bird Shaq and Kobe. OFF THE TOP.

And not as much the 80s but since i started watching ball in the 90s Miami was that new team and everyone was on the Jordan bandwagon which I didn't want to be part of, and I like Jordan as a player but i don't like following the hype, i'm not a follower.

My bad. Just glanced it over. You had Lebron 6th.

You ranked Shaq(in a heat jersey by the way) #1 all time here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277937

Jordan 4.


The unanimous GOAT on ISH which I think is a bit overrated (Kobe at 10 yet Jordan at 1 when they both the same player?)


Bron 6th


6. LeBron James
The most gifted athlete ever. If any player should have myths created about him, it needs to be him. LeBron James is a beast of an athlete and basketball player. If a player had to be scientifically cloned, it would be him. And by the time his career is over, he will be way up on my list if he keeps it up.

[nathanjizzle]

You really believe that?

Is that why most these guys defending Derrick Rose are signed up in the year 2011 and are not even from CHICAGO?

Just take a look at some of these join dates and you'll see for yourself.

I don't hate Derrick Rose and its not even that serious for me but as soon as I call him a bitch these little nut riders decide its their job to defend him from my "insults".

Heres a quick tip Rose nut riders, Rose doesn't give a fuc about anything being said on this board. You can defend him all you want and it still won't matter to him.

You bums aren't even from Chicago and you would jump ship to any team if Derrick Rose were traded there just like most of the Cavaliers fanbase.

i grew up in cicero, 26th and austin the same block as members from 2-6 gang. you dont wear a lakers jersey anywhere near that block, yellow/ purple. you think anyone from north carolina would know that?:facepalm im not the guy you think you found on facebook idiot. it is obviously a serious topic for you since you have made a few threads about it and come into every d rose thread trying to shit on him. :facepalm
remember, just this year you stated u were a fan of the miami heat and you were asking bulls fans for their acceptance. :facepalm

[LosBulls]

i grew up in cicero, 26th and austin the same block as members from 2-6 gang. you dont wear a lakers jersey anywhere near that block, yellow/ purple. you think anyone from north carolina would know that?:facepalm im not the guy you think you found on facebook idiot. it is obviously a serious topic for you since you have made a few threads about it and come into every d rose thread trying to shit on him. :facepalm
remember, just this year you stated u were a fan of the miami heat and you were asking bulls fans for their acceptance. :facepalm
ooo you live on the same block as members from the 2-6 gang :eek: :eek: :eek:

Im going to stop arguing with you before you have them pop a cap in my ass :roll: :roll:

Stop watching gangland on Spike TV and do something productive other than embracing another man's ********.

[KingTut]

You really believe that?

Is that why most these guys defending Derrick Rose are signed up in the year 2011 and are not even from CHICAGO?

Just take a look at some of these join dates and you'll see for yourself.

I don't hate Derrick Rose and its not even that serious for me but as soon as I call him a bitch these little nut riders decide its their job to defend him from my "insults".

Heres a quick tip Rose nut riders, Rose doesn't give a fuc about anything being said on this board. You can defend him all you want and it still won't matter to him.

You bums aren't even from Chicago and you would jump ship to any team if Derrick Rose were traded there just like most of the Cavaliers fanbase.
****tard, you don't have to be from chicago to be a fan of bulls. I'm a Ice Cube fan and I'm not from south central, LA. Terrible logic :facepalm

[nathanjizzle]

ooo you live on the same block as members from the 2-6 gang :eek: :eek: :eek:

Im going to stop arguing with you before you have them pop a cap in my ass :roll: :roll:

Stop watching gangland on Spike TV and do something productive other than embracing another man's ********.

whats gangland? you clearly are the one watching it :roll:

[LosBulls]

****tard, you don't have to be from chicago to be a fan of bulls. I'm a Ice Cube fan and I'm not from south central, LA. Terrible logic :facepalm
Except Ice Cube isn't a Sports team and his name isn't the Los Angeles Ice Cubes. ****ing retard.

[ILLsmak]

I'd like to think, in America, you can be a fan of any team you want. lol.

Especially because shit changes. You may be a fan of a team then your favorite player leaves them... how can you say you can't follow him somewhere else?

I follow Illinois players even if they went to a team I didn't like, even if they were scrubs.

I think the whole idea of being a fan of a team came from when there wasn't the ability to watch every game, at least as easily. I was from IL and I didn't like Jordan... because I prefer the underdog. I still watched every game from 94 on (when I started really following bball) because it was on TV.

Let people be a fan of their team. The only people who are truly bandwagon fans aren't the ones that switch to a team because they are good, but the kind of fans that switch to a team because they are good then insult the fans of lesser franchises. When, in reality, there's no reason to insult someone about their team.

-Smak

[KingTut]

Except Ice Cube isn't a Sports team and his name isn't the Los Angeles Ice Cubes. ****ing retard.
I know that jack a$$. The point is a person don't have to be from the same continent, country, state, city or neighborhood to be a fan of a sports team, music artist, actors etc...Get it now, the retarded one? Now kindly change your name to EL Heat because you're embarrassing us real bulls fans.

[Pointguard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGNITggLFs

NBA's 60 Greatest Playoff Moments #3: Willis Reed plays through the pain
Willis Reed shockingly starts the game, hits the first two shots for the Knicks, and inspires the Knicks to victory.

That was one game and seemingly it did RUIN his career, it did inspire the Knicks, but its not like the Bulls play uninspired. Rose had little chance of changing things against the Heat. Reed didn't play when the Knicks made it to the finals the next year, we should have won it that year - knee problems. He couldn't play well the year after that, but the Knicks still won it - knee problems. And the Knicks could have very well won it the year after that if Willis was healthy - knee problems. He was the perceived, hero of the day - he had a garbage game and Walt Frazier had one of the best game sevens ever. The dynasty of potentially one of the best teams ever came apart because of Reed's knees.

Rose is younger. Its highly unlikely he would have won the Bulls three more games over Miami. The future looks bright if the Bulls stay healthy. They were just too hurt this year to turn things around. Its like you just don't know the Bulls. Its like you have no concern about their future and real chance to become a dynasty. But your hate for Rose has totally blinded you from even decent reasoning.

You will readily talk bad about Rose missing this years playoff continuously but never talk about the Bulls future. Why? Because you care more about one than the other. You have lost all balance because you are possessed in hating him. A true fan wouldn't want mediocrity any more. But you rather have Rose on the bench in a losing cause over a dynasty.

Why don't you just recommend that they trade him? And talk about for who. Put your money where your mouth is.