Celtics and Clippers discussing Kevin Garnett trade [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Real Men Wear Green

06-15-2013, 04:39 PM

I like Doc and appreciate all that KG did for the Cs but that's a great trade. Jordan, 2 firsts, and maybe Bledsoe? The team is rebuilding so this is what you want to do. IF it goes down I hope thy (and maybe Pierce gets included?) win another ring but this deal is the way to blow the team up.

LongLiveTheKing

06-15-2013, 04:40 PM

If Celtics and Clippers can finalize a deal that includes Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett will waive his no-trade clause, league sources tell Y!
:eek:

Nash

06-15-2013, 04:43 PM

Jordan and Bledsoe to Celtics?

Rondo
Bledsoe
Green
Bass
Jordan

Not bad, not bad.

Salazaar

06-15-2013, 04:46 PM

Jordan and Bledsoe to Celtics?

Rondo
Bledsoe
Green
Bass
Jordan

Not bad, not bad.

This team would need shooters pretty damn bad...

Real Men Wear Green

06-15-2013, 04:47 PM

Jordan and Bledsoe to Celtics?

Rondo
Bledsoe
Green
Bass
Jordan

Not bad, not bad.
If the Cs found a way to get Thibodeau back that's a playoff team for how hard he gets his teams to defend. Otherwise the lottery is likely. But I like getting the draft picks and Jordan could become an excellent defensive center.

Heavincent

06-15-2013, 04:48 PM

Jordan and Bledsoe to Celtics?

Rondo
Bledsoe
Green
Bass
Jordan

Not bad, not bad.

They can't just trade Jordan and Bledsoe for KG and Pierce straight up. There would have to be a 3rd team involved to make it work. That's where shit gets complicated.

Rekindled

06-15-2013, 04:48 PM

This team would need shooters pretty damn bad...

obviously they wouldnt keep both bledsoe and Rondo

Salazaar

06-15-2013, 04:57 PM

obviously they wouldnt keep both bledsoe and Rondo

You think? They might do just that... But it's quite obvious they aren't a perfect fit..

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 05:01 PM

This better be a joke. I do NOT want KG. He's not worth the money. Why would we even consider this? He's already 37, he's past his prime, well past it. The only players I'd even possibly want to trade for him are either Turiaf or Hollins. That's it.

Salazaar

06-15-2013, 05:02 PM

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 05:04 PM

It's more about Doc than it is about Garnett

I don't think he's worth all the other things involved. I'd much rather have Shaw who is exceptional at developing players, who CP3 also has really close ties with.

DuMa

06-15-2013, 05:09 PM

I know DJ hasnt come along like everyone has expected but im still high on him. Im still high on Bledsoe as well but Im really doubtful the Clippers would put in both them and picks for Rivers/KG/whoever

Plus it doesnt make sense on the Boston side as well. Why would they want Bledsoe, Rondo and Bradley. theyre all both similar players with same size. its too much redundancy

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 05:10 PM

I know DJ hasnt come along like everyone has expected but im still high on him. Im still high on Bledsoe as well but Im really doubtful the Clippers would put in both them and picks for Rivers/KG/whoever

I agree. This would absolutely silly for us to do this.
DJ is still young. As I said earlier, bring in a coach like Shaw, and he will help develop DJ in to a better player, guaranteed.

Rekindled

06-15-2013, 05:18 PM

You think? They might do just that... But it's quite obvious they aren't a perfect fit..

so you think bledsoe is gonna happy backing up Rondo for 10 minutes a game when he is gonna be a FA next year?

he is only 6'0 so he is not a SG, plus celtics already have Lee,Bradley and Terry at SG.

Real Men Wear Green

06-15-2013, 05:51 PM

Plus it doesnt make sense on the Boston side as well. Why would they want Bledsoe, Rondo and Bradley. theyre all both similar players with same size. its too much redundancy
When rebuilding don't worry about the type of talent, just the accumulation of talent. Sooner or later the right trade will come along to turn the redundancy into the players you need and until then losing to improve lottery position is actually a bonus, even though it won't please the fans or the players currently on the roster.

nightprowler10

06-15-2013, 05:56 PM

If the Cs found a way to get Thibodeau back that's a playoff team for how hard he gets his teams to defend. Otherwise the lottery is likely. But I like getting the draft picks and Jordan could become an excellent defensive center.
No! :D

ConanRulesNBC

06-15-2013, 05:58 PM

They can't just trade Jordan and Bledsoe for KG and Pierce straight up. There would have to be a 3rd team involved to make it work. That's where shit gets complicated.

Not true. Just read a whole article about how that could work.

If a deal was made after July 1, there could be one big trade for both Garnett and Pierce with the Clippers sending Jordan, Butler, Bledsoe and Willie Green to make the math work. Separate transactions could also be made in this scenario as well -- allowing the Clippers to potentially be able to hold on to Green if that happened.

Separate deals they could trade Butler for Garnett straight up and Bledsoe and Jordan for Pierce.

Human Error

06-15-2013, 06:00 PM

Jordan and Bledsoe to Celtics?

Rondo
Bledsoe
Green
Bass
Jordan

Not bad, not bad.
Not bad? I'd say terrible. No shot at the playoffs.

jzek

06-15-2013, 06:03 PM

Lakers need to blow up their core, too. They're not winning anything. At least the Celts are smart enough to put the team first over certain individuals.

ConanRulesNBC

06-15-2013, 06:03 PM

Jordan and Bledsoe to Celtics?

Rondo
Bledsoe
Green
Bass
Jordan

Not bad, not bad.

Replace Bass with Sullinger. That's who would be their future starting PF. Bledsoe would likely start the season with Rondo still out.

Beginning of next season:

DeAndre Jordan
Sullinger
Jeff Green
Jordan Crawford
Eric Bledsoe

6th man: Avery Bradley

ConanRulesNBC

06-15-2013, 06:06 PM

Lakers need to blow up their core, too. They're not winning anything. At least the Celts are smart enough to put the team first over certain individuals.

Eh... if Pierce led the Celtics to 5 championships like Kobe I'm sure there would be no way they'd be discussing a trade with him. Pierce might have been a Celtic his whole career so far but with only one championship it's not like they'd be trading Larry Bird here. There's no way the Lakers would trade Kobe at this point. If Kobe is a true team player he opts out and re-signs for a much cheaper deal and lets them re-sign Dwight Howard easily and add more pieces to make them an instant contender again.

Rubio2Gasol

06-15-2013, 06:08 PM

How can you trade a coach for a player? How do the salaries fit?

Bandito

06-15-2013, 06:13 PM

Lakers need to blow up their core, too. They're not winning anything. At least the Celts are smart enough to put the team first over certain individuals.
Who's talking about the Lakers here?:roll:

And while KG is still a great player, why would you trade Jordan for him? Let's say Pierce goes to the team too.

Paul
Billups
Pierce
Blake
Garnett

is not a contender by any means. That is unless they want to get rid of jordan's contract due to his bad stats?

bagelred

06-15-2013, 06:13 PM

I honestly don't understand what the Clippers are doing. This ONLY makes sense if Chris Paul kind of "demanded" they get Rivers and/or Garnett. Otherwise......wtf are the Clippers doing? :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

oh the horror

06-15-2013, 06:33 PM

Lakers need to blow up their core, too. They're not winning anything. At least the Celts are smart enough to put the team first over certain individuals.

I don't think you'll see much movement for the lakers in terms of them not wanting long expensive contracts and ruining their upcoming cap space after this next year.

El Kabong

06-15-2013, 06:38 PM

Simmons says Celtics trying to add Courtney Lee and/or Jason Terry to the deal to clear more future cap space.

Scholar

06-15-2013, 06:39 PM

Lakers need to blow up their core, too. They're not winning anything. At least the Celts are smart enough to put the team first over certain individuals.

No. If they keep their roster as is, they'll have millions in cap space by the end of next season. Everyone is an expiring contract by then except Nash.

Salazaar

06-15-2013, 06:48 PM

something like Doc/KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Bledsoe/Butler/picks is Boston's ideal scenario here. Youth + future cap space + picks.

You gotta be kidding... no way celtics are getting jordan, bledsoe, butler AND picks for doc, washed up kg and fillers... c'mon :biggums:

daily

06-15-2013, 07:33 PM

Brad Turner ‏@BA_Turner 17m
Doc Rivers been informed Clippers won't accept Celtics offer. Rivers prepared to stay in Boston, sources.

jzek

06-15-2013, 07:39 PM

This is suicide for the Clips! Why do they want a bunch of 40-year old players? :facepalm

Derka

06-15-2013, 07:41 PM

Brad Turner ‏@BA_Turner 17m
Doc Rivers been informed Clippers won't accept Celtics offer. Rivers prepared to stay in Boston, sources.

Interesting...

Clips willing to shaft CP3 of the coach he wants...for Eric Bledsoe?

knickscity

06-15-2013, 07:43 PM

This is suicide for the Clips! Why do they want a bunch of 40-year old players? :facepalm
I'm guessing it's worth getting the coach they want.

I wouldn't do it if I were the Clippers, but Boston passing up would be downright silly.

Derka

06-15-2013, 07:45 PM

I'm guessing it's worth getting the coach they want.

I wouldn't do it if I were the Clippers, but Boston passing up would be downright silly.

Its the cost of doing business. If Chris Paul tells them "Do the deal or I walk" they're sort of stuck. Meanwhile, Danny Ainge wants as much as he can possibly get if he's going to release Doc and who could blame him?

Welcome to the world of Diva players, Donald Sterling :lol

qrich

06-15-2013, 07:52 PM

Jordan + #25 + 2014 First is most I'd offer for KG and two 2nds.

Sarcastic

06-15-2013, 08:04 PM

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/346054622772862979

Source involved in Celtics-Clippers discussions tells Yahoo! Sports: "Not looking good, but I wouldn't say (it's over) for sure."

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/346030628245995520

Biggest reason Clippers are reluctant to part with Bledsoe in deal to Celtics? Besides he's a trade asset, Rivers wants to coach him w/ CP3.

bagelred

06-15-2013, 08:05 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 3m

Source involved in Celtics-Clippers discussions tells Yahoo! Sports: "Not looking good, but I wouldn't say (it's over) for sure."

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/a-chance.gif

fozi

06-15-2013, 08:17 PM

D12 wont like this ..

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 08:18 PM

Very glad to get confirmation that the chase on Doc is over. I knew they weren't that dumb.

iDunk

06-15-2013, 08:18 PM

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- Celtics obviously also buyout Doc & let the Clippers sign him

qrich

06-15-2013, 08:20 PM

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- Celtics obviously also buyout Doc & let the Clippers sign him

You forgot Shumpert and six first round picks going to the Celts from the Knicks

ConanRulesNBC

06-15-2013, 08:29 PM

http://i39.tinypic.com/atati.png
- Celtics obviously also buyout Doc & let the Clippers sign him

That would actually be a good trade for everyone involved.

iDunk

06-15-2013, 08:38 PM

You forgot Shumpert and six first round picks going to the Celts from the Knicks
Lol wtf why? If anyone it would be the Clips. You guys get rid of DeAndre Jordan AND get KG & Doc Rivers!? You should like be kissing someone's feet... for a total of 34 minutes.

therammingman

06-15-2013, 08:51 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--celtics-in-trade-talks-to-send-doc-rivers--kevin-garnett-to-clippers-201709995.html

daily

06-15-2013, 08:57 PM

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303866

JohnnySic

06-15-2013, 08:59 PM

:eek:

daily

06-15-2013, 09:03 PM

:eek:Don't be too shocked. Clipps have already said not happening a couple hours ago. They'll continue to look at Hollins or Shaw as the next head coach.

It's in the thread that's been going for a few hours now linked above

Thechosen1

06-15-2013, 09:16 PM

Don't be too shocked. Clipps have already said not happening a couple hours ago. They'll continue to look at Hollins or Shaw as the next head coach.

It's in the thread that's been going for a few hours now linked above

so they get a chance at doc rivers but turn that down? because of what exactly? deandre jordan and eric bledsoe? :biggums:

daily

06-15-2013, 09:19 PM

so they get a chance at doc rivers but turn that down? because of what exactly? deandre jordan and eric bledsoe? :biggums:Yep don't want to let go of Bledsoe it's being reported

coin24

06-15-2013, 09:22 PM

Yep don't want to let go of Bledsoe it's being reported

Maybe in case CP3s overrated ass bolts..:confusedshrug:

Thechosen1

06-15-2013, 09:24 PM

Maybe in case CP3s overrated ass bolts..:confusedshrug:

i dont blame a guy bolting a team that thinks eric ****ing bledsoe is more valuable than 3 guys that won a ring

daily

06-15-2013, 09:25 PM

Ralph Lawler ‏@Ohmeomy 2h
Hard to believe the Clipper/Celtic deal is dead until the Clips actually offer coaching job to someone else.

ispin69

06-15-2013, 09:31 PM

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mesb8mn

You ain't getting Bledsoe for those two OLD scrubs. Both way past their prime and one foot into retirement. Doc is hardly a trading piece. If Pierce and KG go, he's gonna retire and come back another year. Or demand to be bought out and go with those guys.

DMV2

06-15-2013, 09:32 PM

Ralph Lawler ‏@Ohmeomy 2h
Hard to believe the Clipper/Celtic deal is dead until the Clips actually offer coaching job to someone else.
Wonder if it's Shaw.

daily

06-15-2013, 09:39 PM

Wonder if it's Shaw.or Hollins. Reading both are in the hunt no real decision yet. Mixed signals coming out of Clipper land I guess some want Hollins other want Shaw and obviously somebody thought enough of Rivers to explore that path.

Thechosen1

06-15-2013, 09:41 PM

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 09:52 PM

kg and pierce are scrubs?

:biggums:

but deandre jordan and bledsoe gon get you pieces to win a ring tho right? :roll:

KG and Pierce are washed out. I like our chances to win a ring with Bledsoe and DeAndre than I do KG and Pierce. DJ and Bledsoe are still developing. Let's not forget that DJ led the NBA in FG% this season.. He works on his defense and free throws, he will be an absolute monster. Bledsoe has already shown that he can be an exceptional player. In all honesty, if it were just between Pierce and Bledsoe, I'd rather have Bledsoe on my team.

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 09:53 PM

Wonder if it's Shaw.

I absolutely hope so. That's who I've wanted since VDN didn't get the extension.

ConanRulesNBC

06-15-2013, 09:58 PM

Absolutely ridiculous that the Clippers won't take this chance. Griffin/Garnett/Crawford/CP3/Pierce along with Doc Rivers as head coach = strong possibility of a championship next season.

Thechosen1

06-15-2013, 10:03 PM

someone just said they would have better chances of winning a ring with deandre jordan and bledsoe over doc rivers and kg and pierce

ConanRulesNBC

06-15-2013, 10:05 PM

someone just said they would have better chances of winning a ring with deandre jordan and bledsoe over doc rivers and kg and pierce

That's crazy. They lost in the first round this season. They're not going to get better. Let KG team up with Griffin and maybe actually toughen Griffin up.

daily

06-15-2013, 10:09 PM

Absolutely ridiculous that the Clippers won't take this chance. Griffin/Garnett/Crawford/CP3/Pierce along with Doc Rivers as head coach = strong possibility of a championship next season.You wonder how this effects CP3's decision? He's got to be wondering where this team is headed or who's running the show.

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 10:16 PM

You wonder how this effects CP3's decision? He's got to be wondering where this team is headed or who's running the show.

Exactly. No one is even considering on here how he would feel about the scenario. The main priority is to keep CP3 in LAC.

ispin69

06-15-2013, 10:19 PM

Exactly. No one is even considering on here how he would feel about the scenario. The main priority is to keep CP3 in LAC.

With all these trade possibilities going on, of course that is their main objective. They need to revamp this team or he's going somewhere else with D12. Looks like they're willing to ship Griffin if it lands them D12. They're trying all other kinds of trades to get rid of their stable of young players in exchange for proven pieces to surround CP3 and D12, clearing cap space for that to happen.

Kews1

06-15-2013, 10:20 PM

I like our chances to win a ring with Bledsoe and DeAndre than I do KG and Pierce.

is this real life :wtf:

Real Men Wear Green

06-15-2013, 10:22 PM

Lol wtf why? If anyone it would be the Clips. You guys get rid of DeAndre Jordan AND get KG & Doc Rivers!? You should like be kissing someone's feet... for a total of 34 minutes.
Because for some inscrutable reason you think the Celtics would touch Stoudamire with a 10-foot pole.

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 10:24 PM

is this real life :wtf:

KG is washed out. Give DJ a couple years and he will be better than KG is in his current state. I take in to account the future. Not just immediate future. We'd only get maybe 2 years out of Garnett. Pierce is 35. So maybe 3-4 years out of him. So yes, I stick firm with what I said.

daily

06-15-2013, 10:30 PM

Exactly. No one is even considering on here how he would feel about the scenario. The main priority is to keep CP3 in LAC.

To keep him you have to prove you're willing to do whatever it takes to win. Holding onto Bledsoe over having Doc Rivers as your coach and a player of KG's talent on your team can't be helping the Clippers case. They had better have a bigger move in mind other than Brian Shaw as the next head coach.

Heavincent

06-15-2013, 10:30 PM

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- Celtics obviously also buyout Doc & let the Clippers sign him

Nobody wants Amare's atrocious contract.

Real Men Wear Green

06-15-2013, 10:33 PM

To keep him you have to prove you're willing to do whatever it takes to win. Holding onto Bledsoe over having Doc Rivers as your coach and a player of KG's talent on your team can't be helping the Clippers case. They had better have a bigger move in mind other than Brian Shaw as the next head coach.
A KG/Doc demand from Paul is the only reason the Clippers should consider this kind of deal but I don't know why Paul would make this his demand unless he thinks Doc is the new Red Auerbach.

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 10:33 PM

To keep him you have to prove you're willing to do whatever it takes to win. Holding onto Bledsoe over having Doc Rivers as your coach and a player of KG's talent on your team can't be helping the Clippers case. They had better have a bigger move in mind other than Brian Shaw as the next head coach.

Shaw could help develop players such as DJ and Bledsoe. Plus, CP3 has REALLY strong relations with Shaw. This team won a franchise record 56 games. Half-court offense was incredibly slow, and VDN never had a great offensive scheme. Plus, VDN all throughout the season made some questionable subs in very odd situations. I think CP3 would absolutely stay if Shaw was hired as the head coach.

daily

06-15-2013, 10:43 PM

A KG/Doc demand from Paul is the only reason the Clippers should consider this kind of deal but I don't know why Paul would make this his demand unless he thinks Doc is the new Red Auerbach.I think it's a reputation thing. Players like Doc, they like playing for him, they'll die on the court for him. Players talk to each other they know who has cache and who doesn't, to me seems like Doc does. Not living in Boston or being a Celtic fan I can only say that to me Doc feels like the real deal...

Maybe not the next Red but who is? Phil Jackson? he's not walking through anyone's door ever again. :lol

Al Thornton

06-15-2013, 10:48 PM

all dj needs to do is get his free throws to around 60% and he can play 30+ mpg and becomes a lot more valuable than kg in his last 2 years.

Real Men Wear Green

06-15-2013, 10:53 PM

I think it's a reputation thing. Players like Doc, they like playing for him, they'll die on the court for him. Players talk to each other they know who has cache and who doesn't, to me seems like Doc does. Not living in Boston or being a Celtic fan I can only say that to me Doc feels like the real deal...

Maybe not the next Red but who is? Phil Jackson? he's not walking through anyone's door ever again. :lol
Doc's a very good coach in my eyes as well but if CP3 wants to win a ring DJ and the two discussed picks are too high a price to pay. Garnett is at an age where if you try and play him over half a game consistently you might not have him by the postseason. Doc is good but if the roster isn't Championship-caliber he's not going to get you to the Finals.

loganwadams

06-15-2013, 10:54 PM

all dj needs to do is get his free throws to around 60% and he can play 30+ mpg and becomes a lot more valuable than kg in his last 2 years.

THANK YOU. And DJ was invited to the Team USA camp. While there, his weaknesses will be targeted. He'll only get better at free throws. He has the motion down, it's just the direction and execution. Practice, practice, practice, and he'll work his percentage up at the line.

Rekindled

06-15-2013, 10:59 PM

all dj needs to do is get his free throws to around 60% and he can play 30+ mpg and becomes a lot more valuable than kg in his last 2 years.

all Kg needs to do is to body build like Karl Malone and he can play 40+ mpg and becomes a lot more valuable than dj in the next 2 years

Meticode

06-15-2013, 11:04 PM

I was hoping Paul would only play for the Celtics for his entire career. He's one of the greatest Celtics ever.

andremiller07

06-15-2013, 11:22 PM

all dj needs to do is get his free throws to around 60% and he can play 30+ mpg and becomes a lot more valuable than kg in his last 2 years.
lol no he won't, KG @40+ will still be a better player than DJ, KG's IQ/competitive nature alone kills everything DJ can do, not to add the embarrasing mismatch in skills and KG being 100 times the defender. No one wants a guy making 8-11mil who is a liability in every aspect of basketball other than dunking. Boston is better off trading for Cole Alridch or getting Greg Stemisma back than they are getting DJ.

TrueRob

06-15-2013, 11:31 PM

I'm all for getting rid of DJ. The Clips need someone more fundamentally sound offensively and defensively. KG is still a very good player, hopefully he ends up on the Clippers.

cotdt

06-16-2013, 12:22 AM

Is this the first time a coach has been traded for a player?

bdreason

06-16-2013, 12:23 AM

ProfessorMurder

06-16-2013, 12:48 AM

Good move for Boston. I'm not sure about the trade for Clippers, but only because I don't know how much KG has left in the tank. I feel like him making through an entire season healthy is unlikely at this point.

KG will be fine, in fact I predict better than the last season. Rondo was out who got KG easy looks, and Ainge hasn't had one big to play alongside of KG and that's killed him for 2 years now.

Put him next to a guy like Blake (who has problems, but at least draws attention down low and tries to rebound) and you'll see efficiency shoot way up.

NumberSix

06-16-2013, 12:59 AM

When the hell did the clippers become a pile on team?

loganwadams

06-16-2013, 01:17 AM

When the hell did the clippers become a pile on team?

I love it

Shade8780

06-16-2013, 05:55 AM

I'm all about loyalty and I used to want KG and Pierce to retire as Celtics. Now I just think it's time to move on. We've kept this core together for three years more than it should have been together. I would love if both of them retired this year, but I have a feeling Pierce won't. I think KG will retire if he's about to get traded. If they both come back, trade them away for anything. I don't really care, just as long as we move on from the Big 3 era and start rebuilding. Hopefully Danny can pull off a move with the Clippers that will help the rebuilding process.