This dude is doing the impossible right now...

[OmniStrife]

Making both Kobe-tards and Bron-tards shake in their boots... :roll:
Shows how truly great he is...

http://www.nbapicshow.com/nba_picture/San_Antonio_Spurs/Tim_Duncan/Tim_Duncan_in_the_Championship_Parade.jpg

[HorryIsMyMVP]

That doesn't look like Danny Green.

[imdaman99]

we gonna act like duncan is doing great in the finals? :biggums:

[entropy35]

That doesn't look like Danny Green.
:applause:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Duncan at best the 3rd best player on the Spurs u dumb nikka:biggums:

[Chizdog]

Lebron > Kobe

Kobe watching 2 goats in the finals

[PickernRoller]

Making both Kobe-tards and Bron-tards shake in their boots... :roll:
Shows how truly great he is...

http://www.nbapicshow.com/nba_picture/San_Antonio_Spurs/Tim_Duncan/Tim_Duncan_in_the_Championship_Parade.jpg

Phoenix Fan can't let go off 2010. We got past 06/07. Learn to do the same. Thanks for Nash....NOT. Best Phoenix Suns player ending up as a Laker......I know that basically devastated every Phoenix fan in this forum. So few these days....

[livingby3's]

Phoenix Fan can't let go off 2010. We got past 06/07. Learn to do the same. Thanks for Nash....NOT. Best Phoenix Suns player ending up as a Laker......I know that basically devastated every Phoenix fan in this forum. So few these days....

Oh comon majority of the Suns' fans respected Nash's departure and hopes he can achieve something when he became a Laker, while being able to be close to his family. No fan in Phoenix was devastated that day, everyone considered that was what's best for both Nash and the Suns. Don't see anyone who's following the Suns bashing Nash, only people with a Laker's related avy.

While it's true it's tough when your team is rebuilding, I don't think Suns fans are gone from this forum. It's all about LeBron and the Spurs at this point of the season, looking forward to the post season. Let's just hope your Lakers fix your shipwreck soon enough

[NBASTATMAN]

Making both Kobe-tards and Bron-tards shake in their boots... :roll:
Shows how truly great he is...

http://www.nbapicshow.com/nba_picture/San_Antonio_Spurs/Tim_Duncan/Tim_Duncan_in_the_Championship_Parade.jpg


:bowdown:

[OmniStrife]

Oh comon majority of the Suns' fans respected Nash's departure and hopes he can achieve something when he became a Laker, while being able to be close to his family. No fan in Phoenix was devastated that day, everyone considered that was what's best for both Nash and the Suns. Don't see anyone who's following the Suns bashing Nash, only people with a Laker's related avy.

Let's just hope your Lakers fix your shipwreck soon enough
True.

Nash had to leave, the team had to go full rebuild mode asap...
He believed the Lakers could've been great and make a run for a championship, alas, they were far from it.

[PickernRoller]

Oh comon majority of the Suns' fans respected Nash's departure and hopes he can achieve something when he became a Laker, while being able to be close to his family. No fan in Phoenix was devastated that day, everyone considered that was what's best for both Nash and the Suns. Don't see anyone who's following the Suns bashing Nash, only people with a Laker's related avy.

Let's just hope your Lakers fix your shipwreck soon enough

I do hope too.

On a side note: If any Phoenix fan had a bad word to say about Nash then there was no Phoenix fan in this forum. Support was expected....deep down, scars are alive. OP is one. He didn't leave in his prime anyway - comfort for some.

[Ca$H]

Making both Kobe-tards and Bron-tards shake in their boots... :roll:
Shows how truly great he is...

http://www.nbapicshow.com/nba_picture/San_Antonio_Spurs/Tim_Duncan/Tim_Duncan_in_the_Championship_Parade.jpg

Duncan is scared of Kobe. Kobe/Phil is 4-1 vs Duncan/POP is the playoffs.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

3rd option titles with 2 other HOFers and role player Finals MVPs don't count

[Cone]

duncan has been awful in the finals. its all danny green

[livingby3's]

I do hope too.

On a side note: If any Phoenix fan had a bad word to say about Nash then there was no Phoenix fan in this forum. Support was expected....deep down, scars are alive. OP is one. He didn't leave in his prime anyway - comfort for some.

Yes Nash gave the Suns a good decade of basketball, and won 2 mvps for that stretch. But now there's nothing to talk about for the Suns.

of course Duncan is not as good now as before. Dude's old.

Duncan ass raped the Suns on so many occasions I can't even remember anymore :oldlol: even hitting a buzzer beating 3. Horry checking Nash. 1 eye Nash, bleeding Nash, Bruce Bowen and all. lol not just the OP, for me there's still scars, and they will be there to stay. Can't get rid of those scars and call yourself a Suns fan. all said we just respect Duncan as an impossible player for this decade. It's all love and hate, together. I think OP's the same, but im cool with it

[TheBigVeto]

This guy is GOAT PF.
Lebron is 2nd or 3rd GOAT SF.
Kobe isn't in top 1000 GOAT basketball players.

[SCdac]

Duncan constantly surrounded by haters... that's what success will do :rockon:

http://media.naplesnews.com/media/img/photos/2013/06/11/SPORTS_BKN-FINALS_28_MI_t607.JPG

[PickernRoller]

Duncan constantly surrounded by haters... that's what success will do :rockon:

http://media.naplesnews.com/media/img/photos/2013/06/11/SPORTS_BKN-FINALS_28_MI_t607.JPG

Indeed.

[LosScandalous]

Carried past participle, past tense of car

[kennethgriffin]

That doesn't look like Danny Green.
http://i43.tinypic.com/2w72zvo.jpg

[fozi]

Well deserved( if they win the ring). but dont act like he carried the team.

[Mrofir]

Oh comon majority of the Suns' fans respected Nash's departure and hopes he can achieve something when he became a Laker, while being able to be close to his family. No fan in Phoenix was devastated that day, everyone considered that was what's best for both Nash and the Suns. Don't see anyone who's following the Suns bashing Nash, only people with a Laker's related avy.

While it's true it's tough when your team is rebuilding, I don't think Suns fans are gone from this forum. It's all about LeBron and the Spurs at this point of the season, looking forward to the post season. Let's just hope your Lakers fix your shipwreck soon enough


Suns fan right here, and this ^ is 100% correct

[NBASTATMAN]

Duncan is scared of Kobe. Kobe/Phil is 4-1 vs Duncan/POP is the playoffs.


Nash and Dantoni are 2-0 vs Kobe and Phil:roll:

[Heavincent]

What does Kobe have to do with this?

[brooks_thompson]

How bout the post move out of the timeout shortly after Bosh defended him well, then had a nice hesitation fake for the dunk on the other end.

I'm sure most notice, but when things get rough, the Spurs pet play is a no-frills, immediate Tony to Tim on the block. It is these moments he looks to score more than any other these days, and tonight he made a beautiful move to score. He still may not always take the shot in that situation, but it is never a potentially risky play a la manu, and I don't think you can underestimate the steadying effect on future offensive execution, whether it's a score or not. But man, it is usually 2 points.

[longtime lurker]

Kobe is supposedly the most overrated basketball player according to ISH but somehow he's always the measuring stick for greatness.

[AintNoSunshine]

:facepalm Duncan is being carried by Parker and Green in this series, no way in hell he's the FMVP

[HarryCallahan]

Duncan at best the 3rd best player on the Spurs u dumb nikka:biggums:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Heat fans are so fk***ing stupid. Look at something other than a boxscore.

[fiddy]

Kobe isn't in top 1000 GOAT basketball players.
:oldlol:

[SpurrDurr]

3rd option titles with 2 other HOFers and role player Finals MVPs don't count

And a team with 4 future Hall of famers that was supposed to beat the Bulls 72-10 reacord, reaching the POs in the last game and getting swept by the SAS in the 1st round don't count either i suppose, right?

[PickernRoller]

Kobe is supposedly the most overrated basketball player according to ISH but somehow he's always the measuring stick for greatness.

^.....

[KembaWalker]

Lebron > Kobe

Kobe watching 2 goats in the finals

http://s3.amazonaws.com/picable/2009/04/06/856181_Goats-playing-basketball_400.jpg

[Collie]

Why are people saying that TD is doing bad in the finals? He's averaging 16-11-2 while anchoring the Spurs' defense and preventing Lebron from getting to the rim at will.

[MaxFly]

Why are people saying that TD is doing bad in the finals? He's averaging 16-11-2 while anchoring the Spurs' defense and preventing Lebron from getting to the rim at will.

He isn't having a bad finals, but he hasn't exactly been playing all that well... certainly nothing that will add to his legacy up to this point.

[DMV2]

Why are people saying that TD is doing bad in the finals? He's averaging 16-11-2 while anchoring the Spurs' defense and preventing Lebron from getting to the rim at will.
Because most fans only watch for the ball to go in the basket or not.

[SpurrDurr]

He isn't having a bad finals, but he hasn't exactly been playing all that well... certainly nothing that will add to his legacy up to this point.

During the conference finals he sodomized the DPOY Gasol and right now he's anchoring the defense and dominating the paint (with Splitter looking so bad is not an easy task).

Did i mention he's 37 years old?

[RichieW]

Why are people saying that TD is doing bad in the finals? He's averaging 16-11-2 while anchoring the Spurs' defense and preventing Lebron from getting to the rim at will.

This. He isnt carrying the Spurs, but there has been no stand out Spur besides Green hitting wide open 3s.

I don't think Green has a realistic shot at Finals MVP which means it's between Tim and Tony, and Tim has an argument based on his defence.

[Chizdog]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/picable/2009/04/06/856181_Goats-playing-basketball_400.jpg

Can't count. :coleman:



Duncan is really doing the impossible.
He can even restore Manu's hair.
http://i.imgur.com/U0eyE2P.gif

[Yao Ming's Foot]

During the conference finals he sodomized the DPOY Gasol and right now he's anchoring the defense and dominating the paint (with Splitter looking so bad is not an easy task).

Did i mention he's 37 years old?

He averaged 15 points a game on 47% shooting vs the Grizzlies.

Chris Bosh is currently averaging 15 points a game on 51% shooting in the Finals.

So if Duncan sodomized Gasol, Duncan is getting even more sodomized by Bosh

:facepalm

[Uncle Drew]

Best player since MJ. :applause: It is time for people to recognize Duncan's greatness.

[booonkers]

What he's doing at his age I think is what adds to his legacy. He's all nba first team and all nba defensive second team this year. they're in the finals giving the great Miami team a good fight.

By sodomizing Gasol and Randolph I think what he meant was defending them pretty well.

The difference now is that there are many Spurs players stepping up, really, this team deserves respect for what it has done this year.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

By sodomizing Gasol and Randolph I think what he meant was defending them pretty well.
.

Nah, otherwise what relevance is Gasol's DPOY status. Being a great defender doesn't say anything about your offense.

Besides how can you attribute the inefficiency of two players who play at the same time for Duncan. He's not guarding both of them at the same time.

[Collie]

He averaged 15 points a game on 47% shooting vs the Grizzlies.

Chris Bosh is currently averaging 15 points a game on 51% shooting in the Finals.

So if Duncan sodomized Gasol, Duncan is getting even more sodomized by Bosh

:facepalm

TD is outscoring, outrebounding and outdefending Bosh. The Heat hesitate to drive on TD. The Spurs don't feat Bosh at all. The only thing Bosh has on him is efficiency.

[dh144498]

That doesn't look like Danny Green.

:roll:
:applause:

[La Frescobaldi]

Nah, otherwise what relevance is Gasol's DPOY status. Being a great defender doesn't say anything about your offense.

Besides how can you attribute the inefficiency of two players who play at the same time for Duncan. He's not guarding both of them at the same time.
Duncan patrols the paint and seldom leaves. if bosh (or whoever) goes out towards the 3 line he turns around and finds out the Spurs already switched on him like last Tuesday morning sometime

[Yao Ming's Foot]

TD is outscoring, outrebounding and outdefending Bosh. The Heat hesitate to drive on TD. The Spurs don't feat Bosh at all. The only thing Bosh has on him is efficiency.

15.6 ppg vs 14.6 ppg
11.2 rpg vs 8.8 rpg
1.8 bpg vs 1.6 bbg
0.2 spg vs 2.0 spg
1.6 apg vs 2.2 apg
46% FG vs 51%FG

This isn't "sodomization".

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Duncan patrols the paint and seldom leaves. if bosh (or whoever) goes out towards the 3 line he turns around and finds out the Spurs already switched on him like last Tuesday morning sometime

Going with that why would we give Tim Duncan individual credit for good team defense.

[La Frescobaldi]

Going with that why would we give Tim Duncan individual credit for good team defense.
I agree completely the Spurs are more important than any one player.
That's exactly why Duncan is so great.

[Leviathon1121]

3rd option titles with 2 other HOFers and role player Finals MVPs don't count

I am just going to take a wild guess, but I'll bet your convenient minimum for titles counting is second option.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I am just going to take a wild guess, but I'll bet your convenient minimum for titles counting is second option.

1st option with two or more HOF teammates, 2nd option with just one.

[DMAVS41]

3rd option titles with 2 other HOFers and role player Finals MVPs don't count

Duncan has probably been the best Spurs player in the finals so far. Maybe Green.

Kobe fans officially shook.

Not that it matters. Duncan has always been ahead, but this year has kind of solidified it for everyone. No matter what happens actually, but a title just ends the entire deal for now.

Hopefully Kobe can come back and get back to being relevant in the playoffs...because he hasn't been since 10.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Duncan has probably been the best Spurs player in the finals so far. Maybe Green.

Kobe fans officially shook.

Not that it matters. Duncan has always been ahead, but this year has kind of solidified it for everyone. No matter what happens actually, but a title just ends the entire deal for now.

Hopefully Kobe can come back and get back to being relevant in the playoffs...because he hasn't been since 10.

What does your opinion that Tim Duncan might by better than Danny Green this series have to do with the irrelevance of Kobe Bryant. If he is irrelevant why are you talking about him? :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

What does your opinion that Tim Duncan might by better than Danny Green this series have to do with the irrelevance of Kobe Bryant. If he is irrelevant why are you talking about him? :oldlol:

Because you are a known Kobe fan and clearly trying to diminish what Duncan is doing.

The funny thing is...Duncan could have retired last year and most people would rank him higher than Kobe that know the history of the game.

But a 18/9/3 regular season while playing perhaps the best interior defense in the league while making first team all nba (and deserving it)...now putting up 1710/3 in the playoffs and being the 2nd best player on a team that has made the finals and might win...

Can't ignore it. It matters. His impact is similar to that of 00 Kobe...although Duncan has had a more valuable finals. So your points are BS as usual.

I really hope the Spurs win for a lot of reasons, but a big one would be Duncan bookending his career doing something that essentially only Kareem did before him and puts Duncan in the conversation with guys like Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell in my opinion.

I just hope you aren't too biased and in love with Kobe to appreciate the greatness you are witnessing...

[Leviathon1121]

1st option with two or more HOF teammates, 2nd option with just one.

Like I said, convenient.

[La Frescobaldi]

Because you are a known Kobe fan and clearly trying to diminish what Duncan is doing.

The funny thing is...Duncan could have retired last year and most people would rank him higher than Kobe that know the history of the game.

But a 18/9/3 regular season while playing perhaps the best interior defense in the league while making first team all nba (and deserving it)...now putting up 1710/3 in the playoffs and being the 2nd best player on a team that has made the finals and might win...

Can't ignore it. It matters. His impact is similar to that of 00 Kobe...although Duncan has had a more valuable finals. So your points are BS as usual.

I really hope the Spurs win for a lot of reasons, but a big one would be Duncan bookending his career doing something that essentially only Kareem did before him and puts Duncan in the conversation with guys like Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell in my opinion.

I just hope you aren't too biased and in love with Kobe to appreciate the greatness you are witnessing...
This right here is why ISH needs reps - you need about five green for this post

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Because you are a known Kobe fan and clearly trying to diminish what Duncan is doing.

The funny thing is...Duncan could have retired last year and most people would rank him higher than Kobe that know the history of the game.

But a 18/9/3 regular season while playing perhaps the best interior defense in the league while making first team all nba (and deserving it)...now putting up 1710/3 in the playoffs and being the 2nd best player on a team that has made the finals and might win...

Can't ignore it. It matters. His impact is similar to that of 00 Kobe...although Duncan has had a more valuable finals. So your points are BS as usual.

I really hope the Spurs win for a lot of reasons, but a big one would be Duncan bookending his career doing something that essentially only Kareem did before him and puts Duncan in the conversation with guys like Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell in my opinion.

I just hope you aren't too biased and in love with Kobe to appreciate the greatness you are witnessing...

Which of my points are BS exactly when you are in other threads parroting them?


duncan has been the best player on the Spurs so far, but i think Parker will probably get it


Hard to argue with this. It could go to Parker, Green, or Duncan...depends on who plays better the next game or next two games.

But Green is definitely right there.

In fact, I'd say he'd win it right now if the voting took place today.

Did you figure that if you make enough contrasting guesses you will finally be right for a change?

If Green is the deserving yet Parker is the likely winner that leaves Duncan in 3rd at best. That would be Glen Rice in 00. :confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Which of my points are BS exactly when you are in other threads parroting them?





Did you figure that if you make enough contrasting guesses you will finally be right for a change?

If Green is the deserving yet Parker is the likely winner that leaves Duncan in 3rd at best. That would be Glen Rice in 00. :confusedshrug:

Not sure when people like you will realize that MVP is different than best player. The narrative takes over at some point. I think the Spurs would be worse without Duncan than they would be without Green. But I'm not voting. And I could definitely see the narrative of Green taking over...and it wouldn't be crazy...I've repeatedly said all 3 of them have a chance.

You are talking about how certain rings don't count.

It's just never ending with people like you. For years the Kobe stans (you) have talked about how important rings are. With your BS 5 vs 4 vs 1...etc. arguments. All the while going crazy when people bring up the fact that Kobe wasn't elite in 00 and then clearly the 2nd best player in 01 and 02. Now...when Duncan might earn a ring as not the clear cut best player on his team...a ring that definitively puts him over Kobe all time. Now...you say it doesn't count.

It's just hilarious. By your own standards it counts and it's you and your awful Kobe followers that have relied on rings as the main source of Kobe's greatness for years. Now it is coming back to bite you in the ass with this series and will continue to do so as other greats continue to pile up rings.

So if the Spurs win. Duncan has 5 rings. Never lost in the finals. Higher win percentage. More MVP's. More finals MVP's. Never on a team that missed the playoffs. Never on a team that won less than 50 games. On and on and on.

And you'll see. You'll see it counting...nothing you can do to stop it.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Not sure when people like you will realize that MVP is different than best player. The narrative takes over at some point. I think the Spurs would be worse without Duncan than they would be without Green. But I'm not voting. And I could definitely see the narrative of Green taking over...and it wouldn't be crazy...I've repeatedly said all 3 of them have a chance.

You are talking about how certain rings don't count.

It's just never ending with people like you. For years the Kobe stans (you) have talked about how important rings are. With your BS 5 vs 4 vs 1...etc. arguments. All the while going crazy when people bring up the fact that Kobe wasn't elite in 00 and then clearly the 2nd best player in 01 and 02. Now...when Duncan might earn a ring as not the clear cut best player on his team...a ring that definitively puts him over Kobe all time. Now...you say it doesn't count.

It's just hilarious. By your own standards it counts and it's you and your awful Kobe followers that have relied on rings as the main source of Kobe's greatness for years. Now it is coming back to bite you in the ass with this series and will continue to do so as other greats continue to pile up rings.

So if the Spurs win. Duncan has 5 rings. Never lost in the finals. Higher win percentage. More MVP's. More finals MVP's. Never on a team that missed the playoffs. Never on a team that won less than 50 games. On and on and on.

And you'll see. You'll see it counting...nothing you can do to stop it.

Saying certain rings don't count is obviously parroting mantras that "Kobe fans" have been hearing since Kobe starting multiple of them at a young age. The notion that it was "Kobe fans" that started this is hilarious.

Was it Kobe fans that tried to diminish Kobe's 2nd title run when he averaged 30 points a game because he was a "2nd option"? Now Duncan is averaging half of that and we are supposed to categorize it in the general not the best player on the team title box. One player is getting compared to prime Shaq, the other to Danny Green.

I don't have the slightest idea where you get the impression that Kobe's resume relies on rings. Throw out rings and only Kareem has more all star appearances, all league appearances and all defensive team appearances combined. That's it. Kobe is a legend when you completely ignore the postseason altogether.

Last time I checked 4+1 =5 ... not 6. :confusedshrug:

[DCL]

what's incredible with duncan is his longetivity.

if he gets #5, he would had done it it 3 different decades, the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s...

[DMAVS41]

Saying certain rings don't count is obviously parroting mantras that "Kobe fans" have been hearing since Kobe starting multiple of them at a young age. The notion that it was "Kobe fans" that started this is hilarious.

Was it Kobe fans that tried to diminish Kobe's 2nd title run when he averaged 30 points a game because he was a "2nd option"? Now Duncan is averaging half of that and we are supposed to categorize it in the general not the best player on the team title box. One player is getting compared to prime Shaq, the other to Danny Green.

I don't have the slightest idea where you get the impression that Kobe's resume relies on rings. Throw out rings and only Kareem has more all star appearances, all league appearances and all defensive team appearances combined. That's it. Kobe is a legend when you completely ignore the postseason altogether.

Last time I checked 4+1 =5 ... not 6. :confusedshrug:

Ok. So you don't actually believe the nonsense you spew on here. That is good to know.

I never would categorize this ring for Duncan the same way I would Kobe's 01 rings. I would put it about at Kobe's 00 ring. Which I think is fair.

And yes...when compared to much of the top 10 or so players all time. Kobe's 5 rings boost him up a bit higher than his impact/level of play deserve. Which I'm fine with...as long as there is consistency in the arguments.

The absolute only thing Kobe has on Duncan now is more rings. That's it. Duncan basically has everything else at this point. So while I already have Duncan over Kobe...I think even some quality Kobe fans (Chazzy for example) would readily admit that Duncan goes over Kobe for sure, at this point, if the Spurs win this title.

Because while Duncan hasn't been the best player on his team...he's been really good and clearly the 2nd best. And I personally think he's been the most valuable Spurs player so far with his defense and rebounding. But of course Parker and Green have been huge as well.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Ok. So you don't actually believe the nonsense you spew on here. That is good to know.

I never would categorize this ring for Duncan the same way I would Kobe's 01 rings. I would put it about at Kobe's 00 ring. Which I think is fair.

And yes...when compared to much of the top 10 or so players all time. Kobe's 5 rings boost him up a bit higher than his impact/level of play deserve. Which I'm fine with...as long as there is consistency in the arguments.

The absolute only thing Kobe has on Duncan now is more rings. That's it. Duncan basically has everything else at this point. So while I already have Duncan over Kobe...I think even some quality Kobe fans (Chazzy for example) would readily admit that Duncan goes over Kobe for sure, at this point, if the Spurs win this title.

Because while Duncan hasn't been the best player on his team...he's been really good and clearly the 2nd best. And I personally think he's been the most valuable Spurs player so far with his defense and rebounding. But of course Parker and Green have been huge as well.

Kobe has everything that an average SG has on Duncan and Duncan has everything on an average big man has on Kobe. They are hugely different players. :rolleyes:

Your personal opinion on how you rank players is completely irrelevant to me. I rank players on what they actually did and how good the entire supporting cast was. I don't stop paying attention after 2 or 3 players. (or 1 player for most Kobe haters).

[DMAVS41]

Kobe has everything that an average SG has on Duncan and Duncan has everything on an average big man has on Kobe. They are hugely different players. :rolleyes:

Your personal opinion on how you rank players is completely irrelevant to me. I rank players on what they actually did and how good the entire supporting cast was. I don't stop paying attention after 2 or 3 players. (or 1 player for most Kobe haters).

Ok, so you think Kobe's 00 playoffs deserves to be ranked higher than Duncan's 13?

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Ok, so you think Kobe's 00 playoffs deserves to be ranked higher than Duncan's 13?

TD is, at best, the 3rd best player on the Spurs for these Finals.
Was Kobe the 3rd best player on the Lakers in those Finals?

[DMAVS41]

TD is, at best, the 3rd best player on the Spurs for these Finals.
Was Kobe the 3rd best player on the Lakers in those Finals?

I disagree completely with the first statement, but what would that prove anyway?

Duncan in these finals is playing better than Kobe did in his 00 finals. So I don't get the whole "shit the argument" when you can just directly compare which player was playing better. Kobe missed a game in the finals. Played 9 minutes in another...and shot a combined 12 of 47 over the last 2 games.

[Straight_Ballin]

Lebron > Kobe

Kobe watching 2 goats in the finals

Please don't utter Kobe or Lebron in the same breath as the great Duncan. It's disrespectful.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Ok, so you think Kobe's 00 playoffs deserves to be ranked higher than Duncan's 13?

Most crucial series in 00 was WCF... Game 7@ Portland

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006040LAL.html

Does Duncan have a comparable game in terms of importance, pressure and impact this playoffs run?

[DMAVS41]

Most crucial series in 00 was WCF... Game 7@ Portland

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200006040LAL.html

Does Duncan have a comparable game in terms of importance, pressure and impact this playoffs run?

Well, the Spurs haven't played a game 7...so it's impossible for Duncan to have what you want at this point. But again...that would prove nothing...because even if I were to concede that Kobe had a few better games than Duncan's best this playoff run...it wouldn't mean Kobe's 00 was better.

Kobe had 25/11/7 on 52% TS in that game.

Duncan did have a 24/10/5 game on 57% TS in the OT game 3 against the Grizzlies. Obviously not the same pressure, but that essentially ended what could have been a long series.

It just seems your criteria is so arbitrary. That would be like me saying...

Did Duncan ever had a negative game score like Kobe did in the finals game in which he shot 4/20? The answer of course is no...I WIN...just makes no sense.

[Leviathon1121]

The crux of Kobe Bryant fan arguments, diminishing other players. Never has a supposed top 10 all time player needed so many damn excuses.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Well, the Spurs haven't played a game 7...so it's impossible for Duncan to have what you want at this point. But again...that would prove nothing...because even if I were to concede that Kobe had a few better games than Duncan's best this playoff run...it wouldn't mean Kobe's 00 was better.

Kobe had 25/11/7 on 52% TS in that game.

Duncan did have a 24/10/5 game on 57% TS in the OT game 3 against the Grizzlies. Obviously not the same pressure, but that essentially ended what could have been a long series.

It just seems your criteria is so arbitrary. That would be like me saying...

Did Duncan ever had a negative game score like Kobe did in the finals game in which he shot 4/20? The answer of course is no...I WIN...just makes no sense.

If we are assigning credit for a team championship why wouldn't we start by looking at the most pivotal games against the best competition.

Are we supposed to pretend that the Western Conference Finals wasn't widely recognized as the "real Finals" in the early 00s?

In the other thread you are choosing Game Score to talk about Duncan superior Final's so with that in mind Kobe had 5 20+ GameScore performances 3 against Portland and 2 against the Kings.

Duncan had 1 against the Lakers.

[DMAVS41]

If we are assigning credit for a team championship why wouldn't we start by looking at the most pivotal games against the best competition.

Are we supposed to pretend that the Western Conference Finals wasn't widely recognized as the "real Finals" in the early 00s?

We can look at anything you want. I think it all matters. But I don't agree that you get to arbitrarily decide which which factors matter more.

I just like to look at the entire body of work...good and bad. And penalizing Duncan at this point because he hasn't played a game 7 yet...is kind of silly.

But honestly...anyone claiming that Kobe's 00 playoff run and finals should be classified any differently than Duncan's is just insane and far too biased to even have a legit conversation with.

Duncan has been a lot better these playoffs than you guys are giving him credit for in my opinion.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

We can look at anything you want. I think it all matters. But I don't agree that you get to arbitrarily decide which which factors matter more.

I just like to look at the entire body of work...good and bad. And penalizing Duncan at this point because he hasn't played a game 7 yet...is kind of silly.

But honestly...anyone claiming that Kobe's 00 playoff run and finals should be classified any differently than Duncan's is just insane and far too biased to even have a legit conversation with.

Duncan has been a lot better these playoffs than you guys are giving him credit for in my opinion.

Pointing out somebody else playing well isn't penalizing Duncan.

:facepalm

I think Kobe's performance in the WCF 00s trumps anything I've seen from Duncan so far this post season.

You ask me to compare runs and then get frustrated when I arbitrarily do so. How am I supposed to compare them? You are not offering reason why my "system" is wrong and yours is better. You haven't even offered any alternative.

Why is your non existant arbitrary system of ranking playoff runs better than mine?

[KembaWalker]

Can't count. :coleman:

One of them has gotta be the ref... :coleman:

[DMAVS41]

Pointing out somebody else playing well isn't penalizing Duncan.

:facepalm

I think Kobe's performance in the WCF 00s trumps anything I've seen from Duncan so far this post season.

You ask me to compare runs and then get frustrated when I arbitrarily do so. How am I supposed to compare them? You are not offering reason why my "system" is wrong and yours is better. You haven't even offered any alternative.

Why is your non existant arbitrary system of ranking playoff runs better than mine?

I don't have a system. I just look at the whole picture. Not just pointing out individual things.

Like I said before. Just take it all in. You can't just focus on a game 7...when Duncan hasn't played one yet. Again...that would be like me saying;

"I put an emphasis on the finals...and Kobe missed 2 games in the finals, was awful in another 2...etc."

So I give the nod to Duncan because I care about the finals...because you can't win without winning the finals and that matters the most. Most pressure packed series of the playoffs under the brightest lights...etc.

I just don't like stuff like that because it seems arbitrary.

Like I said before, I think the two runs are very comparable. You don't I guess...and I don't think your emphasis on a game 7 (which duncan has not played) is enough to move the debate either way.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I don't have a system. I just look at the whole picture. Not just pointing out individual things.

Like I said before. Just take it all in. You can't just focus on a game 7...when Duncan hasn't played one yet. Again...that would be like me saying;

"I put an emphasis on the finals...and Kobe missed 2 games in the finals, was awful in another 2...etc."

So I give the nod to Duncan because I care about the finals...because you can't win without winning the finals and that matters the most. Most pressure packed series of the playoffs under the brightest lights...etc.

I just don't like stuff like that because it seems arbitrary.

So what makes your system less arbitrary than mine?

Jesus you cling to a word and it seems like you don't even know what it means.

I think Kobe's Game 1, 6 and 7 in the WCF trump anything from Duncan this postseason. I think the Trailblazers were the better team than the Pacers. Since it took 7 games and a miraculous comeback I would imagine most NBA fans would agree.

And frankly for how badly you spoke of Bosh's defense in the prior series I expected more from him offensively in the Finals. He's not exactly lightening it up out there.