Magic Johnson got SWEPT (0-4) in the NBA Finals TWICE.

[bdreason]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

[DMAVS41]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

He also won 5 titles and made the finals 9 times.

Lebron only has 1 title...and if he loses...it would be 1 title out of 4 trips to the finals.

So this holds a bit more weight.

[WeGetRing2012]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

And he won FMVP as a rookie

[WeGetRing2012]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

And when he got swept in 91 it was the end of a dynasty after he already had 5 rings.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

You might want to take a closer look at the circumstances involved.
just sayin'

[Rubio2Gasol]

Magic Johnson is also very overrated these days.

[bdreason]

You might want to take a closer look at the circumstances involved.
just sayin'


oh you mean like Magic playing with arguably the greatest player in the history of the game? Sorry, I forgot to mention that part.

[Midnite89]

And when he got swept in 91 it was the end of a dynasty after he already had 5 rings.

They got backdoor swept by Bulls ending in 4-1 but not swept. I believe the swept came from the 1983 Phillies (fo-fi-fo) and 1989 Pistons(Pistons revenge).

[tpols]

He also won 5 titles and made the finals 9 times.

Lebron only has 1 title...and if he loses...it would be 1 title out of 4 trips to the finals.

So this holds a bit more weight.
Lebron has shrunk..but its worth noting one of those times they were heavily out matched. And if lebron got to play on stacked laker teams with an aging all time great big man(whose still good enough to make a big impact but past his prime so he won't get much credit) he could've done a lot of the same things as magic.

Its kind of ridiculous that Bron and Kobe get penalized for playing with and losing with good teams sometimes but past greats all who played on super super stacked teams and lost too get a free pass.

Russell had tons of hof talent in a smaller league.
Wilt played with Jerry west Elgin Baylor etc
Kareem played with Oscar magic worthy and won one ring in a decade of his pure prime.
Magic had stacked laker team his whole career lost in the finals 4 times.
Bird had absolutely stacked Celtics teams

Just because you have a good team doesn't mean you have to win it every single year.. if we harped on their losses like we do current players we could nitpick the shot out of them and make them look bad too

[jlip]

I get what you're saying OP, and actually agree with the premise, but The Lakers got swept in '83 by the Sixers who had a prime Moses Malone who is at worst, a top 14, maybe top 10, player of all time and Dr. J who had just won the MVP two seasons earlier. Also the '89 sweep was not Magic's fault at all considering the fact that he got injured in the 2nd half of game two and couldn't finish out the series due to that injury. He only played five minutes in game 3 and couldn't continue. He missed all of game 4. Magic barely played half the series.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Top ten GOAT player is so ridiculous too - prime Malone ffs, prime Isiah, WTF am I reading.

[Nash]

Lebron is already a champion. This is nothing close to last year when he had nothing.

[Magic 32]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

I only remember one legitimate sweep.

The other one was because of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV12WZoE__c&t=5m57s

[KG215]

Lebron has shrunk..but its worth noting one of those times they were heavily out matched. And if lebron got to play on stacked laker teams with an aging all time great big man(whose still good enough to make a big impact but past his prime so he won't get much credit) he could've done a lot of the same things as magic.

Its kind of ridiculous that Bron and Kobe get penalized for playing with and losing with good teams sometimes but past greats all who played on super super stacked teams and lost too get a free pass.

Russell had tons of hof talent in a smaller league.
Wilt played with Jerry west Elgin Baylor etc
Kareem played with Oscar magic worthy and won one ring in a decade of his pure prime.
Magic had stacked laker team his whole career lost in the finals 4 times.
Bird had absolutely stacked Celtics teams

Just because you have a good team doesn't mean you have to win it every single year.. if we harped on their losses like we do current players we could nitpick the shot out of them and make them look bad too
My problem with the ones I know a little about is this...weren't Magic and Bird losing to equally stacked teams in the Finals most of the time? I understand they had stacked teams, but the teams they were losing to were pretty talented/stacked in their own right.

[Magic 32]

Lebron is already a champion. This is nothing close to last year when he had nothing.

1-4 is bad. Very bad.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

oh you mean like Magic playing with arguably the greatest player in the history of the game? Sorry, I forgot to mention that part.

oh dear, you are failing in this thread. please try again.

[bdreason]

I get what you're saying OP, and actually agree with the premise, but The Lakers got swept in '83 by the Sixers who had a prime Moses Malone who is at worst, a top 14, maybe top 10, player of all time and Dr. J who had just won the MVP two seasons earlier. Also the '89 sweep was not Magic's fault at all considering the fact that he got injured in the 2nd half of game two and couldn't finish out the series due to that injury. He only played five minutes in game 3 and couldn't continue. He missed all of game 4. Magic barely played half the series.


Magic is a great player, I'm not really trying to take shots at him. I'm just trying to help the kids these days realize that great players in the past suffered defeats as well.

As for your explanation of Magic's sweeps, all I would say is, so what? 76ers were a great team... great teams make the NBA Finals. And injuries are part of the game. If Wade was half the player he's supposed to be, this series would probably already be over.

[Blue&Orange]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.
Context.

Was Magic on his prime and did he just teamed up with a TOP2 SG and a TOP5 PF and told the world about how was going to be easy 8 championships?

Did Magic had the biggest finals choke job on the finals?
Did magic disappeared to only show himself during garbage time?


If not, wtf are you talking about?

[Deuce Bigalow]

He was injured in the 89 Finals.

oh you mean like Magic playing with arguably the greatest player in the history of the game? Sorry, I forgot to mention that part.
Lol Kareem was third option the last two titles that Magic led to victory. He was age 40 and 41.

[bdreason]

oh dear, you are failing in this thread. please try again.


Has LeBron ever played with a player who even approaches the dominance of Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

Imagine if LeBron lost 4 NBA Finals playing along side a dominant player like prime Shaq, Hakeem, or Duncan. :eek:

[jlip]

Context.

Was Magic on his prime and did he just teamed up with a TOP2 SG and a TOP5 PF and told the world about how was going to be easy 8 championships?

Did Magic had the biggest finals choke job on the finals?
Did magic disappeared to only show himself during garbage time?


If not, wtf are you talking about?

Yes. The 1984 Finals. Ever heard of Tragic Johnson?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

oh dear, you are failing in this thread. please try again.

Nothing he's said here has been wrong. You clowns just wanna re-write history and hold certain players (Lebron) to UNREALISTIC standards.

[Legends66NBA7]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

Sample size matters as Magic Johnson continued to make it to the Finals at a rate not seen since Bill Russell's Celtics and continued to have more better Finals performance than James.

The teams that swept are the 83 Sixers and 89 Pistons, both considered to be in the Top 10 on the majority of arbitrary greatest of all-time teams lists. In comparison to... the 11 Mavericks and 13 Spurs ? Both teams were underdogs and nobody expected the Mavericks to do what they did to the Heat. The Spurs are well-rounded and have players stepping up, but certainly with their core much older.


oh you mean like Magic playing with arguably the greatest player in the history of the game? Sorry, I forgot to mention that part.

If were still talking about the years that the Lakers got swept, Abdul-Jabbar I believe was leaving his prime by this time in 83 and was outplayed by Moses Malone in the Finals, but yes Johnson didn't play that much better. The 89 version was of Abdul-Jabbar was on his last legs and the worst version of his career. He's not playing like the greatest anything by that point. And Johnson got hurt that year too, played like 5 minutes in Game 3 and sat out Game 4.


Although OP, I do agree with what your trying to get at. Some of the hate James gets is unreasonable and unwarranted, but you can say that he sets himself up for these situations with that he says and how he plays.

[dh144498]

Has LeBron ever played with a player who even approaches the dominance of Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

Imagine if LeBron lost 4 NBA Finals playing along side a dominant player like prime Shaq, Hakeem, or Duncan. :eek:

lebron played with Shaq and didn't even make the finals.
/thread

[get these NETS]

when did magic get swept twice?

what years was he playing and lost 0-4?

[branslowski]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan

Stopped reading there..


And let this n!gga play tonight before yawl start makin damage control threads...While moronically comparing his possible future to someone who already had 5 titles:facepalm

[Blue&Orange]

Yes. The 1984 Finals. Ever heard of Tragic Johnson?
I'm sorry did you just compared Magic individual performance in 1984 to Lebron individual performance in 2011? And did you just compared losing to 1984 celtics to losing to 2011 mavs?


ok :rolleyes:

[jlip]

when did magic get swept twice?

what years was he playing and lost 0-4?

'83- Sixers
'89- Pistons

I explained earlier that he actually got injured in game 2 of the '89 Finals and couldn't finish the series. So that one technically doesn't count as a Magic sweep.

[pauk]

He also won 5 titles and made the finals 9 times.

Lebron only has 1 title...and if he loses...it would be 1 title out of 4 trips to the finals.

So this holds a bit more weight.

No it doesnt... since Lebrons career is nowhere close to over... he is still 28 and at that age has accomplished overall what only Michael Jordan could....

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'83- Sixers
'89- Pistons

I explained earlier that he actually got injured in game 2 of the '89 Finals and couldn't finish the series. So that one technically doesn't count as a Magic sweep.

Not really a sweep per se, but Magic and his Lakers were back-door swept in '91.

[Blue&Orange]

Nothing he's said here has been wrong. You clowns just wanna re-write history and hold certain players (Lebron) to UNREALISTIC standards.
Best player in the league showing up to play in the finals other than garbage time, unrealistic standard?


Ok.. :rolleyes:

[BlazersDozen]

Not everyone can be 6-0 or 11-1 in the Finals. The Finals are the two BEST TEAMS meeting. Yes in 2011 he was VERY passive when he could've probably dominated that Dallas team in any way he wanted to but in 2007 he took one of the worst teams the NBA Finals have seen against a very good Spurs TEAM. This season, the Spurs game plan is to throw the entire defense at LeBron in the interior and dare him to beat them with his jump shot. He seems to get points in garbage time because Pop removes his players from the game and lifts the game plan and plays man defense. LeBron is still helping this Heat team in a plethora of other ways outside of scoring, nothing like 2011 when he didn't really do anything. Watch the games...

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Has LeBron ever played with a player who even approaches the dominance of Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

Imagine if LeBron lost 4 NBA Finals playing along side a dominant player like prime Shaq, Hakeem, or Duncan. :eek:

oh son, let me educate.
1983 Finals, Norm Nixon played with a separated shoulder and could only play in 3 games. Bob McAdoo only played in 2. Lakers were short handed.

Also, in 1983, Kareem was 35 years old and starting his decline.

You should get our story straight kid. Your knowledge of NBA history is insufficient to talk smack.

[get these NETS]

'83- Sixers
'89- Pistons

I explained earlier that he actually got injured in game 2 of the '89 Finals and couldn't finish the series. So that one technically doesn't count as a Magic sweep.


thanks

knew it didn't sound right

[Sarcastic]

No one tries to put Magic Johnson ahead of Michael Jordan on the GOAT list. The reason it's relevant for Lebron is that he is contending for all time number 1. If you have no problem never putting him ahead of Jordan, then losses in the final don't matter for him. He can stay in the 4-8 range. That's fine.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Best player in the league showing up to play in the finals other than garbage time, unrealistic standard?


Ok.. :rolleyes:

That's not OP's point. Read the thread again, dummy.

[Blue&Orange]

LeBron is still helping this Heat team in a plethora of other ways outside of scoring, nothing like 2011 when he didn't really do anything. Watch the games...
Yes settings screen.

Lebron performance have been pathetic so far, and there is no amount of stat padding, mostly on garbage time, and no amount of espn and espn sheeps trying to rewrite history as it happens that can mask it.

[IGOTGAME]

Lol@ people falling for this ESPN brainwashing....lebron isn't losing to world beaters.

I never really rail on espn because I understand their motives but people are dumb.

[Blue&Orange]

That's not OP's point. Read the thread again, dummy.
I wasn't' responding to the OP, was i? omg.

[bdreason]

The disrespect of Kareem in this thread is hilarious.

Kareem averaged 27/8/3 on 57% with almost 4 bpg in the 1983 playoffs... but ya, he was pretty much washed up. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

Look, I'm not a LeBron fan:

I'm guessing you stopped being a fan after this year ? Because I know you were rocking this avatar before you switched in to the Warriors one:

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lebron-james_streetclothes22.jpg

I think I remember something being written on the bottom of the same picture, but I couldn't tell what it was.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

oh you mean like Magic playing with arguably the greatest player in the history of the game? Sorry, I forgot to mention that part.
Yeah I remember that finals in his rookie year, Kareem carried his ass that series.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I wasn't' responding to the OP, was i? omg.

I've repeatedly said that Lebron isn't having a good finals. Again, though, how he's played isn't relevant to this discussion.

People are actually saying his "legacy is over" because he will already have 3 losses in the finals. Does that sound rational? :oldlol:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

That's not OP's point. Read the thread again, dummy.

OP was referencing getting swept, without using any context at all.
Hell, in 1989 Finals Magic played a whopping 75 minutes IN TOTAL.
In fact, I think Byron Scott didn't play at all.
Obviously they got their ass kicked.

[BlazersDozen]

Yes settings screen.

Lebron performance have been pathetic so far, and there is no amount of stat padding, mostly on garbage time, and no amount of espn and espn sheeps trying to rewrite history as it happens that can mask it.

Are you really this stupid? :facepalm

10.8 rebounds
6.8 asists
2.2 steals
1 block

[Legends66NBA7]

Not really a sweep per se, but Magic and his Lakers were back-door swept in '91.

That's true too, but that 91 team was also banged up. And again... they lost to an all-time great team. James's Heat lost (and potentially going to lose) to underdogs, who aren't even in the same sentence as the other 3 teams in this case.

[IGOTGAME]

The disrespect of Kareem in this thread is hilarious.

Kareem averaged 27/8/3 on 57% with almost 4 bpg in the 1983 playoffs... but ya, he was pretty much washed up. :oldlol:
Again, you ignoring context. Lebron isn't losing to great teams. Btw...if you wanna make argument Magic is overrated then do that. But font try to use it to excuse Brons shrinkage.

We spent an entire season with people saying he is as good as or better than MJ. Fact, this shit never happened to him. If he loses the series he is still a great playet but that comparison is done forever.

[dh144498]

from ages 20-31, Magic made the finals 9 times out of 12 years, got swept twice. avged 19-11-8 40%FG and 18-12-6 50%FG, played 5 mins in game 3 and none in game 4.

from ages 19-28, Lebron made the finals 4 times out of 10 years. Got swept once. 22-7-7 on 35%FG. No showed another time.

which one's legacy is still lightyears ahead of the the other and will still be once the other retires? Yep, Magic.

[BlazersDozen]

Lol@ people falling for this ESPN brainwashing....lebron isn't losing to world beaters.

I never really rail on espn because I understand their motives but people are dumb.

I don't watch ESPN, the pre game or half time shows.

[Sarcastic]

The disrespect of Kareem in this thread is hilarious.

Kareem averaged 27/8/3 on 57% with almost 4 bpg in the 1983 playoffs... but ya, he was pretty much washed up. :oldlol:


The thing with Kareem is that he routinely put up even superior numbers to those throughout his entire prime, and only won 1 ring with Oscar Robertson. He didn't start winning anything until Magic showed up.

[juju151111]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.
You do know Magic barley played in the 89 series right retard?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That's true too, but that 91 team was also banged up. And again... they lost to an all-time great team. James's Heat lost (and potentially going to lose) to underdogs, who aren't even in the same sentence as the other 3 teams in this case.

That's a good point.

Believe it or not, I actually picked Dallas in 6 that year. :oldlol: Not sure either of these teams are/were underdogs btw. Miami, on paper, is just more talented, imo.

[SHAQisGOAT]

from ages 20-31, Magic made the finals 9 times out of 12 years, got swept twice. avged 19-11-8 40%FG and 18-12-6 50%FG, played 5 mins in game 3 and none in game 4.

from ages 19-28, Lebron made the finals 4 times out of 10 years. Got swept once. 22-7-7 on 35%FG. No showed another time.

which one's legacy is still lightyears ahead of the the other and will still be once the other retires? Yep, Magic.

Magic won 5 titles and had way better Finals performances than Lebron at this point. Clearly better Finals stats for their career than Lebron also.

So.......
/thread

[Blue&Orange]

Are you really this stupid? :facepalm

10.8 rebounds
6.8 asists
2.2 steals
1 block
That proves what? Do you watch the games? Lebron is being carried by a hurt D-Wade.

It's been hilarious watch Lebron stat pad when the game is over.


I'm not gonna ask if you are really this stupid, it's obvious you are.

[juju151111]

Magic is a great player, I'm not really trying to take shots at him. I'm just trying to help the kids these days realize that great players in the past suffered defeats as well.

As for your explanation of Magic's sweeps, all I would say is, so what? 76ers were a great team... great teams make the NBA Finals. And injuries are part of the game. If Wade was half the player he's supposed to be, this series would probably already be over.
Are u retarded Magic didn't even play in the gms. Nobody would be blaming LJ if he got injured. This is just dumb

[bdreason]

I'm guessing you stopped being a fan after this year ? Because I know you were rocking this avatar before you switched in to the Warriors one:

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lebron-james_streetclothes22.jpg

I think I remember something being written on the bottom of the same picture, but I couldn't tell what it was.


I started rockin that Avy for shits and giggles after LeBron lost in the 2011 Finals. The point was to counter-act the ridiculous criticism LeBron was receiving... ironically, that's the same point of this thread.

I can assure you, I hope that LeBron and the Miami Heat lose, and lose badly. The Mavs winning in 2011 felt like my own personal championship (Warriors fan). I just get tired of people being trapped in the moment, without any historical perspective. Plenty of great players have suffered great defeats.

And LeBron will never be Michael Jordan... I don't even think he's a good as Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. The people (ESPN) who rush to compare LeBron to MJ are the same idiots who call him a failure at the age of 28 for not reaching those unrealistic expectations.

[Rubio2Gasol]

My problem with the ones I know a little about is this...weren't Magic and Bird losing to equally stacked teams in the Finals most of the time? I understand they had stacked teams, but the teams they were losing to were pretty talented/stacked in their own right.

When they played each other - yea. But not when they played other teams.

[bdreason]

The thing with Kareem is that he routinely put up even superior numbers to those throughout his entire prime, and only won 1 ring with Oscar Robertson. He didn't start winning anything until Magic showed up.


How many titles did Magic win without Kareem? I forgot.

[Legends66NBA7]

That's a good point.

Believe it or not, I actually picked Dallas in 6 that year. :oldlol: Not sure either of these teams are underdogs btw. Miami, on paper, is just more talented, imo.

Well, I mean that they were underdogs when they faced Miami. I honestly didn't see Dallas winning it, despite the heroics of Nowitzki, Terry, Kidd, and co. in the previous rounds. I thought the Heat could close it in 5 or 6.

But you are right about the the Spurs. They are deep, can give you different matchups, and a much better coach too. They are a pretty good team and not exactly an underdog per say, but not really an all-time great one, IMO. Compared to the Spurs title teams of the past, outside of the 03 team, they all matchup very well, if not better than this current one.

[iDunk]

9 finals in 13 years played is amazing & shows dominance which Magic lead.

LeBron has never led his team to dominance like that & has a history of under performing in the Finals if he loses this year & he will be 1-4 which is as bad as it looks for a 4 time MVP.

[juju151111]

Magic is a way better finals performer then LJ ever will be.

[Legends66NBA7]

I started rockin that Avy for shits and giggles after LeBron lost in the 2011 Finals. The point was to counter-act the ridiculous criticism LeBron was receiving... ironically, that's the same point of this thread.

I can assure you, I hope that LeBron and the Miami Heat lose, and lose badly. The Mavs winning in 2011 felt like my own personal championship (Warriors fan). I just get tired of people being trapped in the moment, without any historical perspective. Plenty of great players have suffered great defeats.

And LeBron will never be Michael Jordan... I don't even think he's a good as Magic Johnson or Larry Bird. The people (ESPN) who rush to compare LeBron to MJ are the same idiots who call him a failure at the age of 28 for not reaching those unrealistic expectations.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. :cheers:

I'm actually in agreement with you with the absurd criticism that James is receiving, though. And I hate what ESPN does with their blatant agendas to prop the players today/bring down the past players when their careers aren't even over. It's not even worth the time to watch.

[KG215]

When they played each other - yea. But not when they played other teams.
The '83 76ers and Bad Boy Pistons were pretty damn good teams themselves. Maybe not as stacked as the Celtics and Lakers but not far from it. Especially not by the time the Lakers and Celtics started losing to the Pistons.

[Legends66NBA7]

The '83 76ers and Bad Boy Pistons were pretty damn good teams themselves. Maybe not as stacked as the Celtics and Lakers but not far from it. Especially not by the time the Lakers and Celtics started losing to the Pistons.

83 Sixers beat the Celtics and Lakers the same year too. I think that was considered "pre-prime" Bird and Johnson, though, and not the peak of either dynasty.

[Magic 32]

Magic was 23 when he was sweep by the 76'ers, and he played better than Lebron did in the 2007 finals (anyone would).

[NBASTATMAN]

1-4 is bad. Very bad.


Your math is worse:roll:

1-3 ... :facepalm

[Smoke117]

And when he got swept in 91 it was the end of a dynasty after he already had 5 rings.


The lakers won game one of that series, dumb ass.

[Magic 32]

Your math is worse:roll:

1-3 ... :facepalm

He won 1 out of 4. 1-4

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He won 1 out of 4. 1-4

Umm, that's 1/4.

1-4 = 1 win and 4 losses. :oldlol:

[Psileas]

When Magic lost to the Sixers, he had already built a Finals legacy. He had already played in 2 Finals and not only won them both, but he won the Finals MVP in both (fairly or not, he did), which contrasts with what LeBron has done, especially if Miami loses.
And when he was swept for the second time, his legacy was already enormous, having just ended his 10th season (same with LeBron today) and falling short from winning...a 6th title...Not to mention what already has been mentioned, that he practically played the equivalent of less than 2 games.

[niko]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

Yes, and he's considered an all time great but he's borderline Top 10 if that. Is Lebron borderline Top 10 if that?

To me i think Lebron is great and more than likely will be Top 5ish when he's done but he is (regularly) compared to MJ and you can't be compared to MJ if in final's series you show up here and there. Lebron can easily drop an MJ's esque classic we will remember always type game tonight, the difference between him and MJ is that MJ would, Lebron might.

[shaq2000]

Umm, that's 1/4.

1-4 = 1 win and 4 losses. :oldlol:

We report shooting percentages with a dash. 14-14 (100%), not 14-0 (100%). Why not game winning percentages?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

We report shooting percentages with a dash. 14-14 (100%), not 14-0 (100%). Why not game winning percentages?

Who does that? And if "they" did, that source probably has the FGM/A abbreviations listed near it.

Moreover, shooting percentages are NOT W/L records, which are ALWAYS recorded with a dash.

[Zodiac]

No it doesnt... since Lebrons career is nowhere close to over... he is still 28 and at that age has accomplished overall what only Michael Jordan could....
Hasn't accomplished what Ammo has in terms of Rings by age 28

[Flash31]

Well in the minds of people here and the media today,

Its way better to lose before the Finals than in the Finals.

Its good the Grizzlies fired released their coach,and the Clippers did theirs too bc they didnt make the finals,

Imagine just how much worse theyd be perceived if they lost in the finals,the ultimate losers.

They would be even worse if they made the finals,losing in the 1st,2nd,cf is so much better.You dont want the stain of losing in the finals and not having a perfect record in the finals.


Logic today doesnt exist,or the hate for the heat has grown so much that logic,common sense and reason dissapear when talking about the heat.

[daily]

OP was referencing getting swept, without using any context at all.
Hell, in 1989 Finals Magic played a whopping 75 minutes IN TOTAL.
In fact, I think Byron Scott didn't play at all.
Obviously they got their ass kicked.Scott didn't play at all and Magic didn't play in the last two games after suffering a hamstring pull, left the court midway through game 2.

So yes the Lakers were swept by the Pistons but I think the player (magic) needs to actually be available to play if you're going to hold it against him

[daily]

He won 1 out of 4. 1-4:facepalm

We're not doing fg% here you idiot

[TheBigVeto]

Magic Johnson is also very overrated these days.

This. He was Kobe before Kobe.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

And neither team that SWEPT him had a top 10 GOAT player.


Look, I'm not a LeBron fan, and I hope the Spurs win... but it's time to stop the overreaction and have some historical perspective.

the problem is exactly that. All people have now is overreaction. Magic's career has been over for quite some time so people can justly place him where he belongs. In the end LeBron will be all time great and what people say now won't be the same as what they say after 10 + years in retirement