Elimination Game Stats (PPG, FG%) for Kobe, Wade, LeBron, and Duncan

[WayOfWade]

KOBE: 8 Wins, 10 Losses
G5 vs. Jazz 1997 – 11 PTS, 4-14 FG’s
G4 vs. Jazz 1998 – 6 PTS, 2-2 FG’s
G4 vs. Spurs 1999 – 16 PTS, 7-16 FG’s
G5 vs. Kings 2000 – 17 PTS, 7-16 FG’s
G7 vs. Blazers 2000 – 25 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G6 vs. Kings 2002 – 31 PTS, 10-20 FG’s
G7 vs. Kings 2002 – 30 PTS, 10-26 FG’s
G6 vs. Spurs 2003 – 20 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G5 vs. Pistons 2004 – 24 PTS, 7-21 FG’s
G7 vs. Suns 2006 – 24 PTS, 8-16 FG’s
G5 vs. Suns 2007 – 34 PTS, 13-33 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2008 – 22 PTS, 7-22 FG’s
G7 vs. Rockets 2009 – 14 PTS, 4-12 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2010 – 26 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2010 – 23 PTS, 6-24 FG’s
G4 vs. Mavericks 2011 – 17 PTS, 7-18 FG’s
G7 vs. Nuggets 2012 – 17 PTS 7-16 FG’s
G5 vs. Thunder 2012 – 42 PTS 18-33 FG’s

WADE: 7 Wins, 6 Losses
G7 vs. Hornets 2004 – 12 PTS, 5-18 FG’s
G6 vs. Pacers 2004 – 24 PTS, 10-16 FG’s
G7 vs. Pistons 2005 – 20 PTS, 7-20 FG’s
G4 vs. Bulls 2007 – 24 PTS, 8-22 FG’s
G6 vs. Hawks 2009 – 41 PTS, 11-23 FG’s
G7 vs. Hawks 2009 – 31 PTS, 10-25 FG’s
G4 vs. Celtics 2010 – 46 PTS, 16-24 FG’s
G5 vs. Celtics 2010 – 31 PTS, 10-24 FG’s
G6 vs. Mavericks 2011 – 17 PTS, 6-16 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2012 – 17 PTS, 6-17 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2012 – 23 PTS, 8-17 FG’s
G7 vs. Pacers 2013 – 21 PTS, 7-16 FG’s
G6 vs. Spurs 2013 – 15 PTS, 6-15 FG’s

LEBRON: 6 Wins, 6 Losses
G7 vs. Pistons 2006 – 27 PTS, 11-24 FG’s
G4 vs. Spurs 2007 – 24 PTS, 10-30 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2008 – 32 PTS, 9-23 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2008 – 45 PTS, 14-29 FG’s
G5 vs. Magic 2009 – 37 PTS, 11-24 FG’s
G6 vs. Magic 2009 – 25 PTS, 8-20 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2010 – 27 PTS, 8-21 FG’s
G6 vs. Mavericks 2011 – 21 PTS, 9-15 FG’s
G6 vs. Celtics 2012 – 45 PTS, 19-27 FG’s
G7 vs. Celtics 2012 – 31 PTS, 9-21 FG’s
G7 vs. Pacers 2012 – 32 PTS, 8-17 FG’s
G6 vs. Spurs 2013 – 32 PTS, 11-26 FG’s

DUNCAN: 5 wins, 10 Losses
G5 vs. Jazz 1998 – 14 PTS, 5-10 FG’s
G4 vs. Lakers 2001 – 15 PTS, 5-10 FG’s
G5 vs. Sonics 2002 – 23 PTS, 9-19 FG’s
G5 vs. Lakers 2002 – 34 PTS, 11-23 FG’s
G6 vs. Lakers 2004 – 20 PTS, 7-18 FG’s
G7 vs. Pistons 2005 – 25 PTS, 10-27 FG’s
G6 vs. Mavericks 2006 – 24 PTS, 8-21 FG’s
G7 vs. Mavericks 2006 – 41 PTS, 12-24 FG’s
G6 vs. Hornets 2008 – 20 PTS, 8-14 FG’s
G7 vs. Hornets 2008 – 16 PTS, 5-17 FG’s
G5 vs. Mavericks 2009 – 30 PTS, 14-21 FG’s
G4 vs. Suns 2010 – 17 PTS, 7-14 FG’s
G5 vs. Grizzlies 2011 – 13 PTS, 5-13 FG’s
G6 vs. Grizzlies 2011 – 12 PTS, 5-13 FG’s
G6 vs. Thunder 2012 – 25 PTS, 11-23 FG’s

PPG for each player
Kobe: 21.6
Wade: 24.8
‘Bron: 31.5
Tim: 21.9

Winner – LeBron James

FG % for each player
Kobe: 41.7
Wade: 38.9
‘Bron: 45.8
Tim: 45.7

Winner – LeBron James

Winning % for each player
Kobe: 44.4 %
Wade: 53.8%
‘Bron: 50.0%
Tim: 33.3%

Winner – Dwyane Wade

Games Played for each player
Kobe: 18
Wade: 13
‘Bron: 12
Tim: 15

Winner – Kobe Bryant

Elimination Game Highs for each player
Points-
Kobe: 42
Wade: 46
‘Bron: 45
Tim: 41

Winner – Dwyane Wade

FGM-
Kobe: 18
Wade: 16
‘Bron: 19
Tim: 12

Winner – LeBron James

FGA-
Kobe: 33 (twice)
Wade: 25
‘Bron: 30
Tim: 27

Winner? – Kobe Bryant

Elimination Game Wins for each player
Kobe: 8
Wade: 7
'Bron: 6
Tim: 5

Winner - Kobe Bryant

Elimination Game Losses for each player
Kobe: 10
Wade: 6
'Bron: 6
Duncan: 10

Winner(s)? - Kobe and Timmy

My criteria for "elimination game," means that if you lose, you're out of the playoffs. And I only included active Legends, mainly because they're the most relevant right now. If enough people request, I'll do some other players regardless of whether they're legends or not. Still, these stats were cool to discover. A thing I found interesting was that Wade's FG% is so low, yet he has the highest win %. If anyone notices any mistakes, please tell me so I can correct it.
All stats were collected from Basketball Reference, and ESPN.
Your guys' thoughts on who is the best and why? Maybe some stats that surprised you?

[Odinn]

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[dh144498]

[QUOTE=WayOfWade]KOBE: 9 Wins, 10 Losses
G5 vs. Jazz 1997

[WayOfWade]

do one for Jordan please.
If at least 3 people vote for the same player (and it can't be a scrub), I'll find the stats for him.

[DuMa]

do one for Jordan please.

http://nba.si.com/2013/06/18/lebron-james-2013-nba-finals-game-6-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs/

STATS for LBJ dont include Game 6. article was posted before game 6's stats

http://i.imgur.com/xYKOF1Y.png

Here’s Jordan’s list.
1985 first-round, Game 3, Bucks: 35 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 12-for-26 shooting, 42 minutes: W
1985 first-round, Game 4, Bucks: 29 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists 6-for-16 shooting, 42 minutes: L
1986 first-round, Game 3, Celtics: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 8-for-18 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1987 first-round, Game 3, Celtics: 30 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 9-for-30 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1988 first-round, Game 5, Cavaliers: 39 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, 12-for-22 shooting, 43 minutes: W
1988 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 5, Pistons: 25 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 10-for-22 shooting, 43 minutes: L
1989 first-round, Game 5, Cavaliers: 44 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 17-for-32 shooting, 44 minutes: W
1989 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 6, Pistons: 32 points, 4 rebounds, 13 assists, 13-for-26 shooting, 42 minutes: L
1990 Eastern Conference finals, Game 6, Pistons: 29 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 11-for-20 shooting, 39 minutes: W
1990 Eastern Conference finals, Game 7, Pistons: 31 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, 13-for-27 shooting, 45 minutes: L
1992 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 7, Knicks: 42 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 15-for-29 shooting, 42 minutes: W
1995 Eastern Conference semifinals, Game 6, Magic: 24 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 8-for-19 shooting, 39 minutes: L
1998 Eastern Conference finals, Game 7, Pacers: 28 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 9-for-25 shooting, 42 minutes: W

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe wasn't facing elimination in Game 5 of the 2009 Finals.

[TonyMontana]

Kobe wasn't facing elimination in Game 5 of the 2009 Finals.

Good call

Make sure to take that game off of Kobes list.

Looks like LeBron is the top performer in elimination games.

Can't judge Timmy much since most of his impact isn't scoring wise, but the win percentage doesn't look pretty for him. LeBron also makes a great impact aside from scoring yet he is the best scorer.

Kobe is also further exposed as being an extremely poor performer when he faces adversity and when his team isn't the overwhelming favorite.

Good data WayofWade

[WayOfWade]

Kobe wasn't facing elimination in Game 5 of the 2009 Finals.
Thanks for noticing, and all the stats have been fixed accordingly.

[dh144498]

[QUOTE=DuMa]http://nba.si.com/2013/06/18/lebron-james-2013-nba-finals-game-6-miami-heat-san-antonio-spurs/

STATS for LBJ dont include Game 6. article was posted before game 6's stats

http://i.imgur.com/xYKOF1Y.png

Here

[WayOfWade]

Looks like LeBron is the top performer in elimination games.

Can't judge Timmy much since most of his impact isn't scoring wise, but the win percentage doesn't look pretty for him. LeBron also makes a great impact aside from scoring yet he is the best scorer.

Kobe is also further exposed as being an extremely poor performer when he faces adversity and when his team isn't the overwhelming favorite.

Good data WayofWade
Thanks for the compliment.
And as for LeBron being the top performer, I completely agree with you. At least with these limited stats, he's early the front runner. As for Timmy, I too was a little shocked that he's had such success throughout his career, yet has the worst Elimination Game percentages. Would I say Kobe was further exposed? Sort of. He definitely underperforms well below his reputation, but he's still putting up 22 PPG on 42% shooting.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I think different people have different views on the term 'Elimination game'. To me, an elimination game is one that you lose and get knocked out of playoffs. Winning a game 7 aint considered 'Elimination game', since you do not get eliminated after that game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think different people have different views on the term 'Elimination game'. To me, an elimination game is one that you lose and get knocked out of playoffs. Winning a game 7 aint considered 'Elimination game', since you do not get eliminated after that game.
http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/situation-omg.gif

Are you completely retarded?

[WayOfWade]

I think different people have different views on the term 'Elimination game'. To me, an elimination game is one that you lose and get knocked out of playoffs. Winning a game 7 aint considered 'Elimination game', since you do not get eliminated after that game.
So you only count losses? That's pretty interesting, because if you're down 3-2 and win, that no longer makes it an elimination game. I don't necissarily agree with you; but that's fine, you can think what you want to think.

[Kiddlovesnets]

http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/situation-omg.gif

Are you completely retarded?

I dunno, but I am smarter than you for sure. If you do not consider yourself as a complete idiot, then no way is someone more intelligent than you as I am.
:rolleyes:

[Odinn]

Hakeem Olajuwon as a Rocket in the elimination games;
26.4 ppg 12.5 rpg 3.3 apg 3.1 bpg on .522 fg .680 ft

(these numbers include his numbers in 1998 and 1999 playoffs which he was way off from his prime)
Excluding 1998 and 1999 playoffs;
28.2 ppg 13.0 rpg 3.5 apg 3.3 bpg on .540 fg .684 ft

[K Xerxes]

Hakeem Olajuwon as a Rocket in the elimination games;
26.4 ppg 12.5 rpg 3.3 apg 3.1 bpg on .522 fg .680 ft

(these numbers include his numbers in 1998 and 1999 playoffs which he was way off from his prime)
Excluding 1998 and 1999 playoffs;
28.2 ppg 13.0 rpg 3.5 apg 3.3 bpg on .540 fg .684 ft

I was going to calculate his stats since I recall the dude beasting in elimination games. Thanks for that, Hakeem was a monster in those situations. :bowdown:

[KyleKong]

I think different people have different views on the term 'Elimination game'. To me, an elimination game is one that you lose and get knocked out of playoffs. Winning a game 7 aint considered 'Elimination game', since you do not get eliminated after that game.

If trolling, terrific.

If not trolling, retarded.

[Odinn]

I was going to calculate his stats since I recall the dude beasting in elimination games. Thanks for that, Hakeem was a monster in those situations. :bowdown:
I never watched it but his last game against the Sonics in 1987 playoffs...

A double-OT game. He played for 53 minutes. 49 points 25 rebounds 6 blocks 2 assists 2 steals 2 turnovers, 19-33 fg 11-13 ft... Still lost.
:wtf: :wtf:

[K Xerxes]

I never watched it but his last game against the Sonics in 1987 playoffs...

A double-OT game. He played for 53 minutes. 49 points 25 rebounds 6 blocks 2 assists 2 steals 2 turnovers, 19-33 fg 11-13 ft... Still lost.
:wtf: :wtf:

I watched his highlights a couple of years back, will try to get a hold of the full tape at some point.

He was a monster in that game. It might be his best one even in the loss.

[tmacattack33]

What is crazy is that scoring isn't even Lebron's best trait.

And that is why he has GOAT potential.

[chips93]

What is crazy is that scoring isn't even Lebron's best trait.

And that is why he has GOAT potential.

hes 28 years old.

he still has these bouts of passivity, and seems to doubt himself at times.

im pretty confident that lebron is who he is at this point. hes never gonna be an especially mentally strong player.

potential is for 20 year olds, not 28 year olds

[tmacattack33]

hes 28 years old.

he still has these bouts of passivity, and seems to doubt himself at times.

im pretty confident that lebron is who he is at this point. hes never gonna be an especially mentally strong player.

potential is for 20 year olds, not 28 year olds

MJ himself was not GOAT at age 28.

He had GOAT potential.

[Magic 32]

MJ himself was not GOAT at age 28.

He had GOAT potential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w

Age 30.

[jlip]

Magic Johnson
22.3ppg 7.4rpg 13.4apg 47.4fg% 84.9ft%
Record 5 wins 6 losses

I used the basic definition of elimination game. If you lose, you're eliminated.

[jlip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w

Age 30.

That's nothing unique to MJ. Players such as Kareem (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282043) and Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241244) were getting GOAT talk in their mid to late 20's. Russell (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ENUmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=owIGAAAAIBAJ&pg=2445,4482680&dq=russell+so-good-he-scares-you+mikan&hl=en) was getting GOAT talk at age 22 before he even played one NBA game.

[DaSeba5]

I think different people have different views on the term 'Elimination game'. To me, an elimination game is one that you lose and get knocked out of playoffs. Winning a game 7 aint considered 'Elimination game', since you do not get eliminated after that game.

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/Michael-What-the-office-10400786-400-226.gif

[iamgine]

You need to include TS%, not FG%.

Also, the minutes for each player.

[AintNoSunshine]

http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/situation-omg.gif

Are you completely retarded?


:lol :lol

[Rooster]

MJ himself was not GOAT at age 28.

He had GOAT potential.

Lebron has better trajectory but I just don't see the GOAT on him. I can understand he can be mentally stronger or be more confident if they can get past the Spurs but his game is based on his physical attributes. I don't see those skills and footwork like Kobe possess. He does not even have the finesse and midrange game that you need when you get into a major injury or Father Time arrived.

[Ancient Legend]

LeBron's only problem is his passiveness at crucial times. MJ never let the foot off the pedal.

To LeBron's credit at least last night he went down gunning even if he missed, in past years he wouldn't even dare to shoot.

[MadeFromDust]

...
Your guys' thoughts on who is the best and why? Maybe some stats that surprised you?...
Interesting trivia, but include boards, blocks, assists, steals, and minutes played please. Not enough info to judge who is best without those stats

[WayOfWade]

Interesting trivia, but include boards, blocks, assists, steals, and minutes played please. Not enough info to judge who is best without those stats
After Game 7, I might do a more complete statistical comparison. I just got these stats in like 45 minutes, so with more time I'll probably go get some more details. Look for it in a future thread.

[Leftimage]

Winning a game 7 aint considered 'Elimination game', since you do not get eliminated after that game.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/goatstare.gif





Seriously?

[sportjames23]

I never watched it but his last game against the Sonics in 1987 playoffs...

A double-OT game. He played for 53 minutes. 49 points 25 rebounds 6 blocks 2 assists 2 steals 2 turnovers, 19-33 fg 11-13 ft... Still lost.
:wtf: :wtf:


Sonics owned Dream back then. I think Hakeem's Rockets were something like 1-5 against Seattle in the playoffs.

[sportjames23]

What is crazy is that scoring isn't even Lebron's best trait.

And that is why he has GOAT potential.


He's been in the league 10 years. He doesn't get the benefit of potential anymore.

[Lebron23]

Op needs to update the stats. Can you please also include the stats of the other top 8 players of all time?? Thanks.