So, LeBron Now > Kobe?

[Soundwave]

I'll guess I'll say it because many are thinking it, does the 2nd championship now put LeBron above Kobe? I'm going to say yes, by a hair. More dominant, stepped up and finally hit the big shot to seal the deal too. Good for him. Congrats to the Heat.

[K Xerxes]

This dude is ****ing unbelievable in elimination games... but not yet. In the conversation... but not yet. IMO

[Trollsmasher]

Yep, easily.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I'll guess I'll say it because many are thinking it, does the 2nd championship now put LeBron above Kobe? I'm going to say yes, by a hair. More dominant, stepped up and finally hit the big shot to seal the deal too. Good for him. Congrats to the Heat.

enjoy the fcuking ring....

so insecure still...even on today....

Kobe 5 >>> Lebron 2

[Ne 1]

Nope. 5 rings> 1.5 rings

[truhooper]

he was already better

[ispin69]

inb4 b-b-but bean has more rings than that.

Nope. Beta Kryant didn't win those, Shaq did.

[D.J.]

Yeah, he's right around that 10 spot.

[NASH = BEST]

Not yet imo, but he is definitely catching up now!

Congrats to James for getting this won, Congrats to the Heat as a team.

[Soundwave]

enjoy the fcuking ring....

so insecure still...even on today....

Kobe 5 >>> Lebron 2

Championships are a wash at 2 for both as the no.1 option, if Bron had Shaq from day 1, we know he'd have several more, so to me that's not really a big argument anymore.

Once you have multiple titles you're brought into the top 10 discussion IMO.

[DMAVS41]

Either or at this point. Tonight's game matters a lot though...huge legacy game for Lebron and he put up 37/12/4 and came through late. Huge boost.

Kobe's out of my top 10 for now...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yep. Officially booted Kobe out of the top 10 (no shame in that either).

In no order:
-Jordan
-Russell
-Kareem
-Wilt
-Magic
-Bird
-Shaq
-Duncan
-Hakeem
-Lebron

[Baliod]

5>2 even with the other accolades imo, but lebron is still only 28, he has a lot of time to improve his resume by the end of his career

[Noob Saibot]

Phuck yea, he's over Kobe Jordan. LeBron goes super saiyan mode in game 7s.

[DMV2]

LeBron >>>> Kobe as the man (4 MVP, 2 F-MVP vs 2 F-MVP, 1 MVP)

Kobe >>>>> LeBron as a sidekick or co-sidekick (3 rings vs 0 ring)

[bmulls]

Yep. Officially booted Kobe out of the top 10 (no shame in that either).

-Jordan
-Russell
-Kareem
-Wilt
-Magic
-Bird
-Shaq
-Duncan
-Hakeem/Lebron
-Lebron/Hakeem

Hakeem is dropped before Kobe imo

[KingLeBronJames]

Not yet.

[General]

Lebron was eliminated from the discussion when he chose to team up with Wade and Bosh.

[livinglegend]

lol obviously!

[Ne 1]

Kobe won 5 rings putting up 21/5/5, 29/7/6, 27/6/5, 30/5/6 and 29/6/6. Just too much production to ignore. Rings are rings.

[hkfosho]

Unfair to compare a player who's nearing the end of his career to a player who's arguably still in his prime.

Lebron's career up to 28 > Kobe's at 28 however, no question

[DMAVS41]

Lebron was eliminated from the discussion when he chose to team up with Wade and Bosh.

Yes...because Bosh is just such a beast. Solid game of 0/7/2 from him tonight.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Championships are a wash at 2 for both as the no.1 option, if Bron had Shaq from day 1, we know he'd have several more, so to me that's not really a big argument anymore.

Once you have multiple titles you're brought into the top 10 discussion IMO.

Lebron didnt win sh!t without Wade/Bosh....so STFU....

enjoy the ring...so fcuking insecure....comparing to Kobe again

if kobe had Lebron/bosh in his prime 2005-2010 he would have multiple championship

Kobe won B2B with Gasol as his 2nd men

[Jacks3]

Hate to say it, but yeah.

[KingLeBronJames]

Yep. Officially booted Kobe out of the top 10 (no shame in that either).

In no order:
-Jordan
-Russell
-Kareem
-Wilt
-Magic
-Bird
-Shaq
-Duncan
-Hakeem
-Lebron
Jordan
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
LeBron
Hakeem

[Wavy Crockett]

http://i.minus.com/ibz5Ugv7G9aTFs.gif

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hakeem is dropped before Kobe imo

You could definitely argue it.

[The-Legend-24]

Their "team" just won a title and the first thing they talk about is, Kobe. Wow.

:roll:

[K Xerxes]

Hakeem > Kobe

[swag2011]

Yup i put Lebron above Kobe and I'm a biased Kobe stan. i still think Kobe's top 10 though. The MVP's move him ahead imo.

[Cousin Oliver]

It's just two.

Don't get me wrong he came up big tonight but the hyperbolic LeBron fans make me hate the guy more than LeBron's ego does.

How about you just be happy that he played well in a huge game and came up with a big shot when it mattered most. That should be enough.

[Soundwave]

I don't think you need equal championships, but you need to have a few, and LeBron has those now.

[NBASTATMAN]

Yes...because Bosh is just such a beast. Solid game of 0/7/2 from him tonight.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


BOSH WAS HOME WITH THE FANS :roll:

[DFish24]

I have Lebron at the #10 spot now.

1.Kareem
2.Jordan
3.Russell
4.Wilt
5. Magic
6.Shaq
7.Bird
8.Duncan
9.Kobe
10.Lebron

[fpliii]

OT: I'm glad I don't do GOAT lists anymore. My top 10 differs by a good margin from all of those already posted (both in terms of who's included/excluded and order).

:confusedshrug:

[deja vu]

LeBron needs to win two more titles to surpass Kobe. We know that Kobe has only 3 titles as the main man, but at least he's more clutch than LeBron. So 4 titles for LeBron sounds about right as well as another MVP or two.

[Kews1]

he already was

[Kews1]

LeBron needs to win two more titles to surpass Kobe. We know that Kobe has only 3 titles as the main man, but at least he's more clutch than LeBron. So 4 titles for LeBron sounds about right as well as another MVP or two.

what the **** is this?

3 titles as the main man?

more clutch?

you must be joking

[andgar923]

he was already better

This

Today's victory only further cements it.

And btw

[Straight_Ballin]

Championships are a wash at 2 for both as the no.1 option, if Bron had Shaq from day 1, we know he'd have several more, so to me that's not really a big argument anymore.

Once you have multiple titles you're brought into the top 10 discussion IMO.

No, it's not a tie at 2 because Bron won in a shortened season. 1 more ring as the man and he's past Kobe. Kobe has basically a kunt hair on him right now.

[iDunk]

5 > 2

[chosen_wun]

Listen, first player since Jordan to win back to back MVPs and FMVP.

Does that sound like a player comparable to some Kobe scrub ?

Jordan
Kareem
Russel
Wilt
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Shaq
Hakeem
LeBron

[Jax]

Of course.

[lilblingy]

Nope not yet, it is a lot closer though. You cant just dismiss Kobe's other 3 rings like they don't exist, especially considering the amazing stats that Kobe posted during those playoff runs.

1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan / Kobe
9. Kobe / Duncan
10. Lebron James

If Lebron gets another championship(esp if off a three-peat) then i will put him above Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, and maybe bird.

Anyways congrats Lebron. I was rooting against him but he did it so **** him.

[Ne 1]

I don't think you need equal championships, but you need to have a few, and LeBron has those now.

Well is Wilt Chamberlain better than Bill Russell? Is Larry Bird better than Magic Johnson? It's certainly debatable, but a lot of people value winning.

[CelticBaller]

Not even, I'd say one more ring and an MVP and definitely

[JBrizzy]

Up until now I've had Kobe over LeBron but after this I would say LeBron is better.

[deja vu]

what the **** is this?

3 titles as the main man?

more clutch?

you must be joking
My bad. I was supposed to write it as 2 titles as the main man. :lol

Man, I don't like Kobe but IMHO he's more clutch than LeBron. But LeBron has started to become better in the clutch.

[Kblaze8855]

Unless Kobe does something else of note I dont see him being remembered as the better player. 4 time MVP at least 2 titles and at least equal finals MVPs? While being more productive?

Kobe isnt gonna stay ahead to most people. Not the way things are judged now and likely going forward.

The resumes are too close now and Lebron might be the best in the league 3-4 more years.

[Suprageex]

Championships are a wash at 2 for both as the no.1 option, if Bron had Shaq from day 1, we know he'd have several more, so to me that's not really a big argument anymore.

Once you have multiple titles you're brought into the top 10 discussion IMO.

If Lebron had Shaq..


He's playing with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, ... How much more help does a player need?? It would've been a shame if he didn't win the ship the last two years.





Fking retarded Lebron fans man, even on the day their idol wins a championship, they need to validate themselves on a forum.:biggums:

[K]

Yep. Officially booted Kobe out of the top 10 (no shame in that either).

In no order:
-Jordan
-Russell
-Kareem
-Wilt
-Magic
-Bird
-Shaq
-Duncan
-Hakeem
-Lebron

This.

[BrickingStar]

Easily and it's not close.

[Jameerthefear]

ISH and other b-ball forums is the only place I have seen where Kobe isn't top 5...

[Ne 1]

Unless Kobe does something else of note I dont see him being remembered as the better player.

Eh, it all depends how LeBron's carrer ends by the time he retires. 3 or more rings he'll be remembered in the same class as Jordan/Magic/Kobe/Bird class. Less than 3, it's a pretty significant disappointment and his career and legacy will have more of a Wilt Chamberlain/Moses Malone/Oscar Robertson/Jerry West type feel to it.

[NASH = BEST]

Let's be real

Most of you guys posting that Lebron has now surpassed Kobe on goat list already had Lebron over Kobe before tonight.

The Kobe hate is strong tonight :oldlol:

Just enjoy this win for Lebron, why bring up Kobe?

[LeBird]

Eh, it all depends how LeBron's carrer ends by the time he retires. 3 or more rings he'll be remembered in the same class as Jordan/Magic/Kobe/Bird class. Less than 3, it's a pretty significant disappointment and his career and legacy will have more of a Wilt Chamberlain/Moses Malone/Oscar Robertson/Jerry West type feel to it.

:lol Kobe isn't in the Jordan/Magic/Bird tier.

[K]

This ring doesn't change anything. He was already ahead of Kobe because he's the better player.

[HurricaneKid]

LeBron was ahead before tonight but now has some distance. Kobe hasn't had nearly the regular season success as LeBron and now Bron has equalled Kobe's 2 FMVPs. I don't even see how it's close.

[andgar923]

How can Kobe be better than Bron when he isn't even a better Finals performer than Wade?

[Kblaze8855]

If Lebron had Shaq..


He's playing with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, ... How much more help does a player need?? It would've been a shame if he didn't win the ship the last two years.

Just listing names.....

Bosh put up 12/7 and zero in game 7 of the finals and wade 15/5. Ray Allen 10 on 44%. A shot doesnt mean he got them in position to take it. Battier 4 points on 24% shooting until whatever tonight bumped him up to. He didnt even get into every playoff game.

Id trade what Lebron got for Shaq in his prime every time.

Lebron and Shaq would be so dominant its hard to imagine. Lebrons nature is to lay back until he has to push it. He wouldnt have had issue letting Shaq have his way.

You give Lebron Shaq from his rookie season he might win 5 rings before he even hit his stride. He would have 4-5 by the time he got to his 2012 form.


The 2013 Heat arent the least bit noteworthy far as how much help they gave their best player.

Far from some 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets, or 75 Warriors shit.

But how the supporting cast performed....

Just...ok.

They played ok by the standards of title teams.

Noting better than OK.

[sportjames23]

:lol Kobe isn't in the Jordan/Magic/Bird tier.


I'm shocked--SHOCKED!--you even put Jordan on the same level as Bird and Magic. :eek:

[nosfan773]

As much as I hate the Kobe fans on this board, Lebron was bailed out big time in this series. He's a great player but he needs to lead a team that isn't filled with frontrunning superstars and ring chasers for me to put him up there.

[The JKidd Kid]

IMO Lebron passed Kobe 3 years ago. I would bet my HOUSE that if there was a draft with prime Kobe and prime Lebron, every single team would take Lebron first without thinking twice.

[2010splash]

Forget Kobe. LeBron is the second greatest player ever. F-ck Kareem, f-ck Bird, f-ck Wilt and all these other players everyone overrates the hell out of. Greatest Game 7 player ever spearheading a current dynasty. Easily top 4 at worst all time.

[NASH = BEST]

Just listing names.....

Bosh put up 12/7 and zero in game 7 of the finals and wade 15/5. Ray Allen 10 on 44%. A shot doesnt mean he got them in position to take it. Battier 4 points on 24% shooting until whatever tonight bumped him up to. He didnt even get into every playoff game.

Id trade what Lebron got for Shaq in his prime every time.

Lebron and Shaq would be so dominant its hard to imagine. Lebrons nature is to lay back until he has to push it. He wouldnt have had issue letting Shaq have his way.

You give Lebron Shaq from his rookie season he might win 5 rings before he even hit his stride. He would have 4-5 by the time he got to his 2012 form.


The 2013 Heat arent the least bit noteworthy far as how much help they gave their best player.

Far from some 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets, or 75 Warriors shit.

But how the supporting cast performed....

Just...ok.

They played ok by the standards of title teams.

Noting better than OK.

Its just hard to say for certain how a player as good as Lebron would have handled playing with Shaq at the beginning of his career.

Lets remember that Shaq treated Kobe like shit his first few years. Lets just say that Lebron doesnt step up to Shaq the way Kobe (reportedly) did. Does Lebron ever get a shot at a ring as alpha?

Who knows?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

http://oi43.tinypic.com/rri6mt.jpg

[andgar923]

Just listing names.....

Bosh put up 12/7 and zero in game 7 of the finals and wade 15/5. Ray Allen 10 on 44%. A shot doesnt mean he got them in position to take it. Battier 4 points on 24% shooting until whatever tonight bumped him up to. He didnt even get into every playoff game.

Id trade what Lebron got for Shaq in his prime every time.

Lebron and Shaq would be so dominant its hard to imagine. Lebrons nature is to lay back until he has to push it. He wouldnt have had issue letting Shaq have his way.

You give Lebron Shaq from his rookie season he might win 5 rings before he even hit his stride. He would have 4-5 by the time he got to his 2012 form.


The 2013 Heat arent the least bit noteworthy far as how much help they gave their best player.

Far from some 03 Spurs, 94 Rockets, or 75 Warriors shit.

But how the supporting cast performed....

Just...ok.

They played ok by the standards of title teams.

Noting better than OK.

People underestimate Shaq's impact.

[Kblaze8855]

A shot as an alpha? Shaq wouldnt play forever.

Lebron was doing prime Bird/Hondo/Oscar/Jordan(I think thats the list of 27/7/7 players) numbers at 19. And while he wouldnt have been if he had Shaq to defer to...it would be obvious the level of player he was.

Kobe had to become Kobe. Lebron was Lebron his second season. Came in more ready. He was 245 as a rookie. He walked in with so little needed to become great. Kobe had to fill in. Took him years to look and perform like the player hes gonna be remembered.

Nothing wrong with that.They got to the same basic level but Lebron showed it right away. He was having 33/16/7 games with nobody finding it noteworthy when he was 2 weeks into his career.

Shaq slows down Lebron takes over. But I cant see them breaking up.

[RRR3]

Eh, it all depends how LeBron's carrer ends by the time he retires. 3 or more rings he'll be remembered in the same class as Jordan/Magic/Kobe/Bird class. Less than 3, it's a pretty significant disappointment and his career and legacy will have more of a Wilt Chamberlain/Moses Malone/Oscar Robertson/Jerry West type feel to it.

Except that Wilt is ahead of Kobe.

[NASH = BEST]

A shot as an alpha? Shaq wouldnt play forever.

Lebron was doing prime Bird/Hondo/Oscar/Jordan(I think thats the list of 27/7/7 players) numbers at 19. And while he wouldnt have been if he had Shaq to defer to...it would be obvious the level of player he was.

Kobe had to become Kobe. Lebron was Lebron his second season. Came in more ready. He was 245 as a rookie. He walked in with so little needed to become great. Kobe had to fill in. Took him years to look and perform like the player hes gonna be remembered.

Nothing wrong with that.They got to the same basic level but Lebron showed it right away. He was having 33/16/7 games with nobody finding it noteworthy when he was 2 weeks into his career.

Shaq slows down Lebron takes over. But I cant see them breaking up.

I disagree only because I remember Kobe going off on the Spurs and Kings when he was (what?) early 20's, and it's just hard to say for certain what kind of impact (for better or worse) Shaq had on Kobe early.

[ispin69]

As much as I hate the Kobe fans on this board, Lebron was bailed out big time in this series. He's a great player but he needs to lead a team that isn't filled with frontrunning superstars and ring chasers for me to put him up there.

Heat would have won this series in 5 if the refs and stern didn't force them to go many more games. Let's be real the whole series the refs had it against them. Tons of swallowed whistles when they were hacked and when Parker flopped on Lebron, OFFENSIVE FOUL! Those things you don't see in the stats.

[Kblaze8855]

We all saw Kobe have great games young. But anyone who saw him at 18-19 knows he was not Kobe bryant yet. He had big games. The one vs the Warriors for example. But he was so up and down.

Lebron walked in all star level and by 19 was first ballot HOF level.

No reason to assume Shaq prevents that. Kobe was on a really fast track to success age wise. Compared to anyone but Lebron I mean.

Bron sets the standard. He walked out of HS playing guys like Tmac in their primes as an equal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhiV-kJwFm8

He didnt need to grow into an NBA body like Kobe, KG, Tmac, and most HS to NBA types do. That was his advantage.

He would have been who he is on any team. And the way he loves to pass....playing with prime Shaq?

League could have done nothing to stop them.

[sportjames23]

http://oi43.tinypic.com/rri6mt.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Ne 1]

Relative to league average, LeBron might have the best offensive supporting cast in history.

Top 2 SG/Top 6-7 player in Wade.
Top 5 PF/Top 15 player in Bosh.

And a ridiculous amount of excellent shooters to space the floor for him:
Ray Allen
Chalmers
Battier
Miller

Absolutely insane. If you were going to create the perfect offensive supporting cast for a perimeter superstar, this would be it.

They're easily one of the most talented team ever.

They have two superstars who are both already top five at their position of all-time along with another franchisee caliber player/borderline HOFer.

Wade is a top 25-30 guy of all-time. And they have a perennial elite PF who is top five at his position standing within the league.

Not to mention the Heat are playing in a historically weak conference... and playing in the weakest era for bigs ever...and in the weakest era for superstars ever...

[Celtic_Pride]

Kobe is a great player but to be honest he is the most overrated player on ISH. Not Lebron, not Jordan or anyother!

I think it's mostly because of the bandwagon Lakers fanbase in the last decade or so

[Celtic_Pride]

Relative to league average, LeBron might have the best offensive supporting cast in history.

Top 2 SG/Top 6-7 player in Wade.
Top 5 PF/Top 15 player in Bosh.

And a ridiculous amount of excellent shooters to space the floor for him:
Ray Allen
Chalmers
Battier
Miller

Absolutely insane. If you were going to create the perfect offensive supporting cast for a perimeter superstar, this would be it.
.

If you count the last 2 years

There is no case for Wade to be a top 6-7 player and Bosh to be a top 15 player.

It is actually incredible that Heat managed to win a championship with Birdman as arguably their best rim protector. Just imagine that :biggums:

I don't like Lebron but give credit where it's due

[juju151111]

We all saw Kobe have great games young. But anyone who saw him at 18-19 knows he was not Kobe bryant yet. He had big games. The one vs the Warriors for example. But he was so up and down.

Lebron walked in all star level and by 19 was first ballot HOF level.

No reason to assume Shaq prevents that. Kobe was on a really fast track to success age wise. Compared to anyone but Lebron I mean.

Bron sets the standard. He walked out of HS playing guys like Tmac in their primes as an equal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhiV-kJwFm8

He didnt need to grow into an NBA body like Kobe, KG, Tmac, and most HS to NBA types do. That was his advantage.

He would have been who he is on any team. And the way he loves to pass....playing with prime Shaq?

League could have done nothing to stop them.
Shaq had no problem with Kobe taking a lot through when he got good. LJ was good right sway and had a nba body. By 01 he was taking more shots then Shaq and LJ is a pass first player. He likes to pass for god sakes to the point he got criticized to help for it. Dwade had to tell him he wanted for him to be the best player he never complained. He continued to this day to say he loves when his teammates score. Total different mentallty then Kobe.

[NumberSix]

Enjoy the championship idiots. Stop thinking about other players or teams.


#heat #back2back

[Noob Saibot]

Kobe is a great player but to be honest he is the most overrated player on ISH. Not Lebron, not Jordan or anyother!

I think it's mostly because of the bandwagon Lakers fanbase in the last decade or so

preach

[Jacks3]

Kobe really never gets credit for those rings with Shaq, even though he was a top 3 player in the world for 2 of them. It's not until that run from 08-10 that he started getting that respect. I mean, let's say he has no Shaq from 99-04. His supporting cast is mediocre/decent. He puts up big numbers but doesn't win.

And everything from 05-13 stays the same.

So he has 2 rings/3 finals but better career post-season and reg season numbers. More scoring titles. Maybe another 1st-Team All-NBA.

Where does he rank now? Probably 10-12.

So essentially those 3 rings don't even count. :oldlol:

It's crazy.

And LeBron would have been similarly discredited.

[NumberSix]

Kobe really never gets credit for those rings with Shaq, even though he was a top 3 player in the world for 2 of them. It's not until that run from 08-10 that he started getting that respect. I mean, let's say he has no Shaq from 99-04. His supporting cast is mediocre/decent. He puts up big numbers but doesn't win.

And everything from 05-13 stays the same.

So he has 2 rings/3 finals but better career post-season and reg season numbers. More scoring titles. Maybe another 1st-Team All-NBA.

Where does he rank now? Probably 10-12.

So essentially those 3 rings don't even count. :oldlol:

It's crazy.

And LeBron would have been similarly discredited.
Ill give Kobe exactly as much credit for those rings as you give Wade for his. Deal?

#theyALLcount

[Goldrush25]

Relative to league average, LeBron might have the best offensive supporting cast in history.

Top 2 SG/Top 6-7 player in Wade.
Top 5 PF/Top 15 player in Bosh.

And a ridiculous amount of excellent shooters to space the floor for him:
Ray Allen
Chalmers
Battier
Miller

Absolutely insane. If you were going to create the perfect offensive supporting cast for a perimeter superstar, this would be it.

They're easily one of the most talented team ever.

They have two superstars who are both already top five at their position of all-time along with another franchisee caliber player/borderline HOFer.
...

From the vantage point of someone who loves Kobe's game, it certainly must seem amazing what Lebron is able to do with teammates. But it's really not. It's just fundamental, team oriented basketball.

The problem is that Kobe doesn't play the best team basketball game. He plays one-on-one better than most anyone in history. That's his strength. With his style, how could he possibly utilize competent spot up shooters to their full potential? He doesn't pass enough to take advantage of them.

If Ray Allen is on the Lakers team, not one thing changes. If Shane Battier is on the Lakers team, not one thing changes. When Kobe is your best player, the team is going to play his style of basketball. They would cater to him, and he'd still end up dominating the ball.

It works for the Heat because LBJ is their best player, and by default, he's a distributor, so spot up shooters flourish.

[lilgodfather1]

I'd say they are as close to equal as it gets. I'm not sure which way to lean, but if you forced me i'd say LeBron assuming he doesn't suffer a career ender in the next 5. I'm glad he won #2, but for real they should have lost G6. Still pretty damned impressive for a 28 year old. So that puts him at 9/10 for me on par with Mamba.

[kidcoolangot]

Dont be a prisoner of the moment guys. Kobe still has 5. If lebron wins 2 more in a row, its for sure Lebron > Kobe

[kobeef24]

LeBron wins the title and all people ****ing talk about is Kobe. :facepalm

Come on guys, it was a great series and we should be focusing more on the amazing comeback we witnessed instead of meaningless all time ranks. Half of you LeBron stans were jumping ship 3rd quarter of game 6. They're both great players and 1 or 2 spots all time really means nothing.

[Doranku]

20 years from now, KOBE will be regarded as a top 10 great.

Meanwhile, LeBron will lose three consecutive finals in years to come and be ranked lower than Karl Malone.

BOOK IT.

[Shih508]

As much as I hate the Kobe fans on this board, Lebron was bailed out big time in this series. He's a great player but he needs to lead a team that isn't filled with frontrunning superstars and ring chasers for me to put him up there.

Kobe's being bailed out his whole career so what's your point...

Remember Shaq, Fisher, Horry, Gasol and........ Sterns